I'm not sure if 6.8 is a tribute/offer to 6.2 users, or perhaps a result of initial problems with 7.3 in the detuned version for chassis, government orders and fleets, which may have resulted in the rapid introduction of 6.8s to replace the existing special versions of 7.3. I'm not sure.
The 6.8 was because of the popularty of the 7.3l. Like he points out its the same block now in a 6.8 and 7.3. This means they only need mount points for 2 different engine blocks. Also the 6.2 was tapped out as far as power they could relably get from it hence the 18-23 6.2's have lots of stupid issuses like intake manifold failures.
@@gregparrott I heard about a small batch of engines (probably in the initial phase of production), mainly in chassis cabs for public orders, i.e. slightly reprogrammed and running a large number of hours at idle. Someone from Canada also discussed problems with the pump and what this may result in when running at idle speed, and I also heard about problems with overheating. I don't know which years this applies to. It doesn't seem like a global problem, but for a while the engine's reputation seemed to be slightly at risk.
I just wish ford would spend a few hours engineering clean engine compartment there are hoses and wires everywhere. It looks like spaghetti plate of chaos.
7.3 pushrod, big tranny, solid front axle, manual locking hubs, steel wheels.....these trucks are looking very good to me. Just like an old school work horse
My work truck is a '23 7.3l cclb 3/4 ton 4wd w a service body, old truck was a '19 6.7 ps cclb 3/4 ton 2wd with the same service body. Initially i was not excited as i had gotten used to the powerstrokes get up. Argued w the bosses about it. But trims have changed to be able to stay under 10k gvwr and stay off elogs. Didnt take long driving the 7.3 gasser to enjoy it more. Fuel mileage is arguable cost wise, 6.7 ps 2wd got 15.7 avg weighing just under 10k curb, 7.3 gasser 4wd is avging 12.2. I like the 10spd tranny alot more, though its not for people who are jerky or on and off the dang pedal, tends to hunt and buck alot. We have a 21 7.3 2wd service truck that one of our guys drives and hes a pedal hopper, its miserable to ride with him as the truck lurches and lunges hunting gears and he complains, its even been into the shop for it, the entire problem is his complete on and off the pedal constantly causing violent downshifts at undesired times. Smooth on the pedal leads to smooth predictable shifts. All in all im much more content in the 4wd 7.3 than i was in the 6.7 ps 2wd, contrary to my initial rejection of the 7.3. Having drove enough things, that 7.3 is far more fitting for most than the 6.7 ps is. I live in truck country but 75% of diesels here still have chrome on the hitch ball and paint in the reciever. Imo the diesels are an absolute waste for 75% of purchasers. They just dont use them like they need them, but sure think they gotta have it, i know i did, thought a heavy service body truck needed to be a diesel. Having went to gas im totally changed. Hopefully the 6.8 gasser does well in the segment. The 7.3 is awesome.
I use to work with a guy who would drive like you mentioned always off and on the throttle. I hated him for it lol. We would start going up a hill on the highway and the truck would down shift. Then he'd come off the gas a little and the truck would up shift. Then he'd lay into it and it would drop a couple of gears. Then he'd let off. And I'm not even talking about the 10 speed. This certain hill is about 1 mile of a slight incline. I swear that truck would shift about a dozen times within that mile. Again, it literally made me hate the guy.
Very happy with my 7.3. Don't miss the cost or diesel issues. I own a landscaping business it does everything I need it to. Zero regrets going from 6.7 to gas. I can buy a lot of gas for the almost $10k price difference.
Yeah that's the problem I noticed, most sales people, I know twice or three times more than they do and that's their job! I'm wondering what the hell do they do all day , they should study every model up and down when they are sitting around, if I was a sales manager that's what I would have my sales people do, I really get turned off when the salesperson hardly knows anything about the vehicles on the lot
Much of what i've read and heard between these two engines is there are a few internal differences beyond the shorter stroke. Forged crank and rods to name a couple. That said, I don't think that's a big deal for anyone keeping it stock and staying within the rated capacities of the truck. I do think the less robust tranny is a far bigger concern. I'm just wondering why Ford even bothered with the 6.8 when it's only available with such a narrow bandwidth of options before you're forced to move up to the 7.3
Love my 2023 F250 XL with STX and the 6.8L Gas with the 10R100 3.73 gears. I have a 7700 LB RV Trailer that I will be pulling once i hit 1000 miles... I only tow occasionally so therefore i felt the 6.8 was perfect for my situation.
Looking to upgrade from my 2019 F150 towing a 6800 lb RV. With all the extra gear for long stays on the road, feel I’m close if not exceeding my max weight. So I’m researching and comparing on whether an F250 diesel or gas is better. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
I cannot compare these two exactly the way you are asking but I do drive a 28 ft box truck on a 750 chassis and it’s very spunky. However my 2020 year motorhome 32 ft and towing my ford flex with the 6:8 10 cylinder to me is more responsive throttle wise smoother idiling and in my opinion I prefer the old 6.8 over either one of these here. But I hope you get the answer you are looking for
I have a 7.3L and toooooow all the time. My 7.3L out pulls my buddies 6.8L with same 10k load. In a flat out drag race empty it leaves the 6.8 in the dust. Ford may as well just have one engine, probably doesn’t cost but $100 difference to manufacture one over the other. But my 7.3L does sound just a little better stock, it cracks and pops just a little more, and revs just a little faster.
I have a 21 7.3 gas and have been running 93, if I recall it's recommended for towing. I felt that it does make a minor difference when towing. I did end up putting a 93 tune on the truck and the performance was greatly improved.
Every vehicle I’ve owned called for premium because they’ve been boosted or high compression. Thought I could get away with 87 on this engine until one day I had pretty significant knocking. Wasn’t my first tank running 87 so I firmly believe I got bad gas, but it was enough for me to keep it simple and fill up with premium every time. I don’t typically tow heavy but I do tow often, this way I don’t have to worry about what grade fuel I have in the tank if an impromptu desert trip comes up. All my desert toys also burn premium so it makes filling up my jugs and truck simpler. On the flip side I did gain a solid 1 mpg. I can’t say if this is attributed to fuel or merely the truck getting broken in, perhaps a bit of both but I can say it correlated with the fuel change.
One of the rare content creators where i subed on my first view. You cover all the important stuff quickly, you know the packages so well, thanks for a great review!
2 Things , you can't get the 4.30 gears with the 6.8 in the short bed on the XL. Also if you get the XL Off-Road package you can not get that STX package you were talking about. I like the STX package but I like the XL Off-Road package more so I would get that with the 8ft. Bed and lower 4.30 gearing. The off road package has Off-Road tires , locking rear axel , winch and skid plates.
Just bought af250 6.8 and i will tell you, i love it. I had a 3.0 Duramax, and I regret buying it. Had nothing but problems. This 6.8 made me miss a v8 gas truck.
I got a 2020 2500hd duramax and it's a complete lemon. The l5p core is fine, it's all the emissions and electronics that they have slapped on it. Absolutely a waste of money and time. Left stranded in 7 states, Chevrolet doesn't stand behind their products. Their techs can't seem to figure out anything let alone that it has 9 grease fittings in the front. 49 codes so for with < 60k miles. Waiting on my 2024 F350 with the 7.3L to come in in September then I am done with Chevrolet forever.
@@kmonto1971I just bought a 2024 f350 single cab gas I love it so far first super duty so getting used to feeling all the bumps lol but I plan on lifting a little and bigger tires would look better
@@tayzonday8734 Awesome. Mine just came in and it's outstanding. The ride is a bit rougher than I thought but that just means bilstein 5100s are on the list to do. Quality of the build from Kentucky is great so far. Love it.
@@kmonto1971 what are bilstein 5100? But yea same here didn’t expect it to be as rough but I live in Florida these country roads bumpy as hell lol but I love this truck best one I’ve had so far
@@tayzonday8734 Bilstein 5100 series of shocks that I have put on the last 3 trucks I have had. Just got my new truck so gonna going ahead and swap out the stockers for these again. They do very well, check out the reviews and youtube reviews. Never been disappointed.
All of the new engines have knock sensors. Running on 87 will not hurt it. Maybe couple less horsepower due to retarded spark timing. Wasting $$$$ on premium fuel. The XL with 6.8, 2 WD will be the truck with the highest Payload/Cargo capacity because it is not saddled with a bunch of heavy accessories that rob you of capability. XL is the way to go.
Agreed. I run 87 unless I’m towing in the hills or mountains. I was able to tell a difference using premium out west but down here in the southeast not really. I save the $$ and use 87 most of the time.
@@treeamigo8447 I didn't say to run "Cheap" fuel. I think top tier fuels are best. It is just not necessary to run higher octane fuels. As I stated most of not all modern FI engines have knock sensors. No damage will be done by running on regular 87 Octane. Actually you would love to buy one of my vehicles. I take extremely good care and over maintain. I have driven several of my vehicles over 300k miles without problems. Yes, I'm an old fart
Where are those numbers derived from? Wheels? Engine on a stand? Just curious how they come up with the numbers. I just bought a '24 with a 7.3L. Seems stronger than my problematic 6.2 that I traded out of.
I bought my 2020 F350 7.3 with a 10R140 trans. I believe in my research since they were both new for 2020 the 10R140 is slightly different between the diesel and gas engines'. I'm not talking about gear ratios. Some kind of bearings the diesel has 3 and gas has 2. It may 4 and 3, I don't remember exactly.
Small town rural middle of the USA school system bought 3 new school busses for the school year starting in fall of 2021 with the 7.3 instead of diesel. No complaints so far, MUCH cheaper to service. Milage is about the same except right now gas is 80 cents per gallon cheaper and the initial purchase price was also cheaper. They are detuned to 365 hp for applications like this but the drivers rave about the power
I was hoping someone would do this comparison, I had a tremor 7.3 that one had no issues over 36k loved it but issues that some were having ran me out of it. Now have a standard output 6.7 so far so good. Will admit the tow ability over longer hauls can get tiresome in the 7.3 especially with elevation changes.
@@caseyday3835 Catastrophic engine failures at less than 100k, requiring full replacement. Widespread transmission issues. Warranty denials. It's a ford, so the list goes on and on.
Wish the 6.8L and 10R100 were the standard engine all the way up into the Lariat. Then 7.3L and 10R140 was the option. I would have ordered my 2024 Lariat with the 6.8L. Now that I have it, I do like the 7.3, but would have preferred the 6.8. I don't tow heavy. This is my overlanding pickup so have a light-weight slide-in pickup camper (1,600lb) and am about 2,500lb payload with camper, gear and people. Most I tow is 3,000lb fishing boat or 3,000lb enclosed trailer. 6.8L would have been plenty and would have gotten better mileage, even if a small amount, when driving, when idling, or when putting along in 4low for hours at a time on a trail. The 6.8L would have done everything I need and more and been more efficient while doing it. I only needed a Superduty for payload. I have no need for a 6.8L much less a 7.3L, but those are all one can get in an SD. I would have opted for the 6.8L if I could have.
@jimmyb4956 I'll take miniscule efficiency gains as I absolutely don't need the power of the 6.8L much less the 7.3L. I don't tow heavy and simply need the payload for an overlanding pop-up slide-in camper. Once we are loaded with camping gear, recovery gear, two passengers, and put on receiver hitch with MTB or tongue weight of little 3,000lb trailer, we well exceed max payload of Fullsize pickups. We are 2,000 to 2,600lb payload. Any small V8 would do the trick for our use, especially with the 10 speed. Hence why I would have preferred to at least have had the option of choosing the 6.8L. Informationally, my small 4.6L V8 in my Tundra did everything I needed with camper and trailer; the chassis just didn't have the payload we needed so finally changed to an SD.
@@MrChadx1 agree, payload is definitely the reason for the step up to a 3/4 ton truck, half tons have some perks, but don’t have the required payload. Yea, they can tow a good amount, but no payload to speak of. Heck they have unbelievable 4cylinder performance numbers these days, that would work for a good entry-level 3/4 ton truck option, especially with most days of the truck being a commuter vehicle or a grocery getter. IDK, time will tell what they do next.
I'm not sure I understand why Ford built a 6.8 liter Engine to start with. I don't know, I guess they just have to have a standard and optional engine when it comes to gas . It just seems like it would have been cheaper for Ford to just put the 7.3 in the truck And call it a day.
They most likely limit the 6.8 within the XL model because that's the #1 seller for fleet sales. They wouldn't be able to sell as many and stay within the BS federal CAFE standards and various V8 quantity restrictions that exist (that most people don't know about and are also BS and should exist). So many unnecessary regulations limit our choices and most of all cost us a HELL of a lot of extra money on the bottom line.
I miss my 08 F350 6.8... I knew to change the spark plugs out early and bought the extended warranty so the dealership had to replace the exhaust manifolds... Thing was no rocketship but would tow like a diesel
Completely different engine though. The 6.8L you're talking about is an old V-10 Ford used since the late 1990s. The 6.8L V8 in this truck is new and shares absolutey nothing other than displacement with the old V-10.
For the record the 6.8 is same block and piston size has slightly less stroke. the lower stroke reduces the piston speed slightly at the same rpm.. Therefore you can run slightly higher compression and also the longer stroke needs less timing.
I have a 2024 XL with the 6.8, 3.73 locker and 10 speed "G" (super cab) and the gas cap says E85. If I recall the 6.8 has roller rockers (7.3 does not) and a cast crank. Just breaking it in. Got WeatherTech items (front floor liner, seat covers, mud flaps) and the LineX spray-in bed liner. All good @ initial break-in. Interesting that it comes with front seat side airbags, and one of the straps of the seat cover can't be used since it blocks the side airbag. But I just tucked it away.
You said the 7.3 does NOT have roller lifters. That contradicts every other video I've seen on the 7.3. I've watched over a half dozen videos, as I'm considering switching from my 6.7 Diesel F-350 to the 7.3 gas engine. Several channels have even mentioned a problem with the roller lifters on the 7.3 - the hardened surface of the rollers have sometimes flaked/chipped. Are you sure about the 7.3 not having rollers? Can you cite a source stating this?
@@gregparrott Ok checked the Ford website, the 7.3 has Hydraulic Roller Lifters and sorry I made an incorrect statement. Of course the manufacturer's website is the best source of information.
Ty for sharing, I like the side by side reviews, they really do help ... and gotta admit being I driver in northeast and winter seasons, parking it outside that Xl with offroad you featured be really neat thing to fit my needs ... Not my wallet ... # msrp-end-of-year-sale lol ...
The 6.2 was probably the most reliable gas engine Ford had ever produced. The 6.8 is going to have the same issues as the 7.3. at this point GMC definitely has the most reliable gasser for daily work applications.
:56. The Ford 7.3 is not a big block . It’s bore spacing of 4.53” is more in line with a small block,than the typical 4.8-5.0 bore spacing of a big block .
Correct. The last big block offered by Ford was the 460 and that ended back in the 90’s. Gas mileage so bad you’d need a tanker truck following you wherever you went
With only a four-speed transmission or 5-speed manual with the 460 axle ratio was critical for MPGs and yes this is a small block with large Pistons similar to a Chevy 400 including the steam holes testing is much better than the 70s we'll see if people still like them in Ten years if I bought one I definitely put a coolant filter on it
Somewhat disappointing Ford doesn’t offer the 6.8 at least up to the XLT. Looks like they intended to replace the 6.2 with the 6.8 for all the work truck applications. Too bad because the 6.8 is sufficient for many day-to-day and recreational applications. Good to see Ford is still offering the extended cab. I just wish they’d put a door handle on the outside of the back doors. Thanks for the insightful video.
These are made in much the same way as the 2 valve Triton engines. My 03 F150 has 417,000 miles on that 5 4 Triton and runs perfectly. Lets see if these will make that kind of mileage and more. I think they wiĺl if they are built right to begin with. I know they had issues with some sort of coating or something coming off the ? ?, some part in the engine,hopefully problems like that are resolved.
The 7.3 is pretty solid know with the majority of the issues resolved so the 6.8 will most definitely have some issues but time will tell how bad some those will be
I heard reports a couple years ago about the hardening on the roller lifters chipping/flaking. That is what you may be referring to. If so, I sure hope Ford has addressed this in the ~2 to 3 years since this issue surfaces.
Difference in sound of the two is as simple as different Ford muffler and resonators used between the two when built. Appears to me Ford is using this drivetrain as a mule for this new " in between" 10 speed automatic transmission.
when I ordered my 24 f250 at the dealer it showed the 6.8 as a option for the xlt trim level. So I think you can get a 6.8 in a xlt you would just have to have a dealer custom order you one. Granted it makes no sense because it showed the 7.3 as the default engine option and the 6.8 didn't say you would get any money back. No point in getting a 6.8 if for the same price you can get the 7.3
@@gregormaitland5065 didnt care for its characteristics. Low, casual speed turning always prompted a heavy and abrupt downshift. Also the engineering behind turning a very large v8 in to a torque monster negating the free, effortless reving of a v8. Which IMO is the essence of a v8. I think the powerstroke masked alot of these issues due to the abundance of torque. In the end the feel and tangible aspects were simply "desirable" tuning on Fords end. On the other hand if you choose to drive aggressively the 10 spd would be very rewarding. I do not conform to societal expectations and im never in a rush. Was a bad deal for me. I much prefer the german made 8 spds in the Ram come to find out
Just bought the new 2024 F250 and as soon as I left the lot, I got a terribly irritating whining noise from the transmission, dealer will do nothing about it, they said it's normal in all of the superduties is that true?????
Reasons I’m interested in the 6.8 over 7.3 (could change). Availability, cheaper, XL package vynil seats which are perfect for lawn care work, and plenty of power for hauling mowers and skid steers. Dont need a show boat, just a work horse.
Whoa! You already have 100k miles (or kilometers?) Has this included a fair amount of towing and if so, what was the average tow weight and gas mileage? I have a 6.7 Diesel F-350 and am considering switching to the 7.3 gas engine. Also, a couple channels mentioned that there have been a few instances of roller lifter failures on the 7.3. Have you heard of anything like this?
@@full---movie the V10 was literally the most powerful stock gasser until like 2018, and that was 20 years with NO changes, its a mod motor ford easily could have made it far more powerful.
They did change the rocker arms on the 7.3 as well. The front axle is different than the '22, and the rear axle options are different than the '22, except for the Sterling 10.5.
I have a 6.7 Diesel F-350 and am considering switching to the 7.3 gas engine. A couple channels mentioned that there have been a few instances of roller lifter failures on the 7.3. Is this what prompted you to change the rocker arms? If not, what prompted the rocker arm change, and how many miles were on the engine?
Wish they had the power band of the 460, you could hold throttle just right and it would hold 2500rpm through each gear with no change at all, with these new 10 speeds don't see why they couldn't keep them lower considering the 460 only had a 4 speed
The 460 was a nice engine. Besides, I like the big blocks. However, by all specification I've seen, the 7.3 engine has more horsepower and essentially the same amount of torque. The 460 was rated at 365 hp and 485 lb.-ft, while the 7.3 is rated at 430hp and 475 (now 485 lb-ft) The displacement are also pretty similar: (460 vs. 445.5 cu. in.) Based on this, if you switched from automatic shift to manual mode, the 7.3 should exhibit a very similar torque profile.
@@rock-uu7qr I did not say it did. I said the 460 was rated at 365 hp (not 465 hp as you stated) and 485 lb.-ft, I assume you meant to say that in trucks, the 365 horsepower was de-rated. You are probably right that the HP was lower (what was it?). But the torque is probably very close in both the automotive and truck applications, with the truck's peak torque probable being at a slightly lower speed.
@@gregparrott nope you are very wrong my family has always owned obs fords and never once did a gutless ass 460 make anywhere above 280hp and certainly not 480lbs of torque
Ok , I run the Reg Cab V8 super Charger XL F150 Which is Terrifyingly fast!!! The 23 make pick up and delivery to the airport. And was undefeated until a fancy BMW recently beat me . Those 4 door trucks not even close.
Shame on ford for depriving buyers of the 7.3 by not having engine displacement call outs on the sides somewhere.Like they did for the (undesirable)6 cylinder jobs a few years ago.
The XL will last longer due to fewer "nickle and diming". Give these both time and see how well they are. 25-year set-up if you're careful and agressive about care.
My 22 F 450 7.3 gas engine, Transmission failed @ 85k Valve train failed @ 155 The cam /bearings and lifters fail, It is a common problem with these models
As a die hard ford guy, let it up to ford to have 2 different transmissions for basically the same engine, that’s the problem with ford they always change sensors and little stuff over the years
It's not just an issue of high elevation that you want/don't want a higher ratio rear. If you're towing more and you're closer to the limit, you want a higher ratio. There's just so many positives to a higher ratio rear diff. There's also a lot of negs to a higher ratio as well.
I had the same concern before I bought my 23 and raised it with the mechanics at the dealership where I bought it and the updates to this motor described in this video were just a few of the mods Ford made to try and eliminate the issues some had. I also researched the failure rating of the issues you brought up and as suck as it sounds the industry standard is roughly sub 3% of all new vehicles mechanical failures/problems and the 7.3 is right there. I think it gets so much more attention due to the love we truck guys have for our trucks and the internet. I've spoken with a bunch of people over the last year since I bought my 23 who are driving 20's and up some with well over 100k on them with zero complaints. Long and short so far I like mine (traded in my 19 Ram 6.4 with no issues) so I'll keep driving. Go online, there were plenty of concerns for my Ram about engine and transmission and I put almost 90k on it no prob. I tow a tractor and a RV camper a lot and have no complaints so far.
@@Greg-bu7mi What did you do to 'Tune' the 7.3 engine? (a 'Forscan' tool is sometimes mentioned as a useful tool. Perhaps that's involved?) I have a 6.7 Diesel, but am considering the 7.3 gas engine.
@@gregparrott, I have a 5-Star tune w/tuner. That has improved performance particularly with 94 octane. I can switch it up get less response/performance going to 87 etc
Aren't you mistaken saying Ford brough back the 7.3? I thought the 7.3 gasser was a whole new engine. When I hear someone say 7.3 I think about a PowerStroke or an IDI. Both of which have nothing in common with this engine.
Most of what he is saying is wrong, and when you go up to higher elevations you don't need higher octane because there's less oxygen in the air, so you'll just have a richer air to fuel mixture, but the old 460 was a better engine than you may ever see again, 400 cubes would be preferable though with a turbo gas motor,
6.6 L8T GM is the best gas option work truck out there paired with the 6L90 transmission. Not sold on the 10speed yet. But the Cummins or D max is this the best option. Good luck working on a 6.7 powerchoke!!!
Many people are having severe oil consumption issues with the 6.6L gas engines. It’s very worrisome and I would avoid it until GM figures out how to fix this issue.
@@mikewill1891 hopefully it stays that way… GM did put out a service bulletin about it. It seems they feel up to almost 2 qts is acceptable over 7000 miles. Definitely not acceptable to me and not worth the risk even as a life long GM fan.
No comparison, a diesel is an absolute POS!! The cost along with maintenance and fuel cost is no comparison. The gas truck is more economical in the end for the problems that diesel has especially with the Def system. Fuel mileage is not enough to make up for the problem’s diesel have.
You have to be working a truck daily to warrent a diesel these days. The whole "i tow a big camper" isnt really a good argument with great gas options out there. But if you have the money more power to ya.
@@Tman0517 as a longtime shop owner I would suggest if a truck is working daily to buy a real truck with a tilt hood and better diesel not a pickup cause the amount spent and the difference in maintenance 🧑🔧 is not smart to buy a diesel pickup compared to a larger 2 ton real diesel preferably with air brakes. You get much more towing capacity and a lot less maintenance. Otherwise a normal pickup gas is the best option all around. It just won’t give problems
I have a 2017 F-350 SRW with the 6.7. At 33,500 miles a check engine light came on. The error code is DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). Ford said I should replace the DPF filter, with the cost being $1200. Checking online, there is a chance that a 'Manual Regen' mode (not accessible without a special tool) might (just might) enable the particulate filter to be burned clean. When I mentioned that I drive very conservatively (gentle acceleration, no flooring it), have rarely towed, and with no tow so far exceeding 5,000 lbs, I was told that my light use may actually ACCELERATE DPF issues because the engines are meant to be driven harder. VERY frustrating to be gentle with it and be penalized for doing so.
@@gregparrott You just proved my whole point!! I been mechanic for over 40yrs, Diesels are best ever in medium /heavy duty trucks, tilt hood air brakes etc, but automotive pickups are a joke. You pay as much for them as a real commercial truck with half the towing ability . Not to mention the more expensive maintenance less powertrain life and the engine accessibility is a complete joke. Gas engine is best option for any pickup period from a mechanic point of view. If people want a diesel buy an air brake truck with tilt hood !! They will out last out perform any pickup. People have to see the real issues and cost , the long term cost difference speaks volumes, between high diesel prices and maintenance cost along with initial purchase cost difference, gas engine is more economical and less maintenance. Not to mention the more quiet ride and easy parts available. To each his own, but from a veteran mechanic, I refuse to own a diesel in a pickup period . Good luck!!
@@Gearswapper Yes, I commented KNOWING it substantiated your view. This was the first Diesel I've ever owned. I appreciate the power and torque, and can see why people towing large travel trailers, fifth wheels, etc. willingly pay a premium. But, my anticipated towing requirements will never exceed 10 or 12 thousand pounds. That light towing, plus the realization that Diesel emissions systems are a particular sore point on pickups, has prompted me to consider switching to the 7.3 gas engine. When I bought the F-350 SRW new in 2017, the only gas engine was the 6.2. Comments about it were OK, but its power was lacking. Had the 7.3 existed in 2017, I would have bought it. I recently test drove a 2023 F-350 SRW with the 7.3 gas engine. It's nice. BUT, the dilemma is whether to live with the Diesel, appreciate its torque and power, but accept a substantially higher maintenance cost than I expected, or pay a fortune to get a new F-350 SRW, where the price for the same vehicle and trim package is now a solid 50% higher than in 2017. I respect your view as a mechanic, and advantages of a tilt hood (if only the pickup trucks could be offered with that!). But as an average driver, one who does not have a CDL, I don't think a full size commercial truck is a viable alternative for the vast majority of pickup truck owners. #1) The cost for a commercial driver's license, associated insurance, and periodic testing, would be substantial. #2) It's very likely these vehicles would have to get in line with large rigs at weigh stations and agricultural checkpoints. (A real pain in the a##) #3) I very much doubt that the ride quality would match that of a pickup, especially when its towed load and payload have been detached #4) A full size truck is gross overkill for a light weekend camping trip. carrying a dirt bike of ATV, or getting supplies from a hardware store. #5) A commercial truck will not fit in most people's garages, and aren't even allowed in many residential districts (including mine). #6) A lot of people doing off grid camping or skiing in mountainous terrain (I do both) occasionally need 4wd. That is a very pricey item in a large commercial truck.
Pisses me off..i tried to build an xl with 7.3 on the website and it forced the stx package which added like 6 grand..and wont let you get vinyl floors. It added a bunch of tech and expensive lights and matched bumpers. I literally just want an xl 4x4 with the 7.3. No extra tech, vinyl floors and seats. Im putting ranch hand bumpers anyways. Dont need the paint matched shit.
Imagine FORD still having issues with poor engine design and manufacturing after over 100 years in business. I would never buy a late model FORD anything.
We need a 6.2 vs 6.8 comparison. I think this would interest more guys coming from 6.2 trucks.
I'm not sure if 6.8 is a tribute/offer to 6.2 users, or perhaps a result of initial problems with 7.3 in the detuned version for chassis, government orders and fleets, which may have resulted in the rapid introduction of 6.8s to replace the existing special versions of 7.3. I'm not sure.
The 6.8 was because of the popularty of the 7.3l. Like he points out its the same block now in a 6.8 and 7.3. This means they only need mount points for 2 different engine blocks. Also the 6.2 was tapped out as far as power they could relably get from it hence the 18-23 6.2's have lots of stupid issuses like intake manifold failures.
@@coolftp You mentioned problems at one point with the 7.3 gas engine.
What were its problems?
@@gregparrott I heard about a small batch of engines (probably in the initial phase of production), mainly in chassis cabs for public orders, i.e. slightly reprogrammed and running a large number of hours at idle. Someone from Canada also discussed problems with the pump and what this may result in when running at idle speed, and I also heard about problems with overheating. I don't know which years this applies to. It doesn't seem like a global problem, but for a while the engine's reputation seemed to be slightly at risk.
@@gregparrotthe's full of sht
I just wish ford would spend a few hours engineering clean engine compartment there are hoses and wires everywhere. It looks like spaghetti plate of chaos.
It doesn't look as nice, but to make it look nicer they would have to hide it which makes it a lot harder to work on.
@@cstgxyou nailed it! It’s gonna get repaired often so they don’t care how it looks, just that it’s easier to repair. 👍
@hahaadventures4838 low IQ response. Not surprised.
@@hahaadventures4838time will tell
@@cstgx, it better be! Sounds like these bastards are in the shop more than on the road.
7.3 pushrod, big tranny, solid front axle, manual locking hubs, steel wheels.....these trucks are looking very good to me. Just like an old school work horse
Except the 10 speeds are failing.
@@Jez-p9k😂
@@Jez-p9kit's a 6 speed
@@bobjohnson2920 all 7.3s are 10 speeds
My work truck is a '23 7.3l cclb 3/4 ton 4wd w a service body, old truck was a '19 6.7 ps cclb 3/4 ton 2wd with the same service body. Initially i was not excited as i had gotten used to the powerstrokes get up. Argued w the bosses about it. But trims have changed to be able to stay under 10k gvwr and stay off elogs. Didnt take long driving the 7.3 gasser to enjoy it more. Fuel mileage is arguable cost wise, 6.7 ps 2wd got 15.7 avg weighing just under 10k curb, 7.3 gasser 4wd is avging 12.2. I like the 10spd tranny alot more, though its not for people who are jerky or on and off the dang pedal, tends to hunt and buck alot. We have a 21 7.3 2wd service truck that one of our guys drives and hes a pedal hopper, its miserable to ride with him as the truck lurches and lunges hunting gears and he complains, its even been into the shop for it, the entire problem is his complete on and off the pedal constantly causing violent downshifts at undesired times. Smooth on the pedal leads to smooth predictable shifts.
All in all im much more content in the 4wd 7.3 than i was in the 6.7 ps 2wd, contrary to my initial rejection of the 7.3.
Having drove enough things, that 7.3 is far more fitting for most than the 6.7 ps is. I live in truck country but 75% of diesels here still have chrome on the hitch ball and paint in the reciever. Imo the diesels are an absolute waste for 75% of purchasers. They just dont use them like they need them, but sure think they gotta have it, i know i did, thought a heavy service body truck needed to be a diesel. Having went to gas im totally changed. Hopefully the 6.8 gasser does well in the segment. The 7.3 is awesome.
I use to work with a guy who would drive like you mentioned always off and on the throttle. I hated him for it lol. We would start going up a hill on the highway and the truck would down shift. Then he'd come off the gas a little and the truck would up shift. Then he'd lay into it and it would drop a couple of gears. Then he'd let off. And I'm not even talking about the 10 speed. This certain hill is about 1 mile of a slight incline. I swear that truck would shift about a dozen times within that mile. Again, it literally made me hate the guy.
One of the best comments I've read in a LONG time. I really appreciate the insight.
Very happy with my 7.3. Don't miss the cost or diesel issues. I own a landscaping business it does everything I need it to. Zero regrets going from 6.7 to gas. I can buy a lot of gas for the almost $10k price difference.
I test drove a new 6.8 and loved it.
JB - you explain the options of the truck better than most salespeople 🍻
Yeah that's the problem I noticed, most sales people, I know twice or three times more than they do and that's their job! I'm wondering what the hell do they do all day , they should study every model up and down when they are sitting around, if I was a sales manager that's what I would have my sales people do, I really get turned off when the salesperson hardly knows anything about the vehicles on the lot
Correct. Great job
Thank you.
Just bought this 2024 Xl 6.8 off road package and we named it Cowboy. Plenty of power.
Exact setup I’m looking for… what axle ratio did you go with
Much of what i've read and heard between these two engines is there are a few internal differences beyond the shorter stroke. Forged crank and rods to name a couple. That said, I don't think that's a big deal for anyone keeping it stock and staying within the rated capacities of the truck. I do think the less robust tranny is a far bigger concern. I'm just wondering why Ford even bothered with the 6.8 when it's only available with such a narrow bandwidth of options before you're forced to move up to the 7.3
Fleet two wheel drives trucks
@@burnedagain6187you are correct. It’s mainly for fleets and company work trucks.
@@burnedagain6187 makes sense
Only the 7.3 is forged?
@@Officer_GapI believe so
Love my 2023 F250 XL with STX and the 6.8L Gas with the 10R100 3.73 gears. I have a 7700 LB RV Trailer that I will be pulling once i hit 1000 miles... I only tow occasionally so therefore i felt the 6.8 was perfect for my situation.
Everything’s worked good so far?
@johnfertsch6839 I’m looking to buy the 6.8 for this reason. What are your thoughts so far?
@@jhonnatanmorales6915 No issues so far. Runs like a champ.
Looking to upgrade from my 2019 F150 towing a 6800 lb RV. With all the extra gear for long stays on the road, feel I’m close if not exceeding my max weight. So I’m researching and comparing on whether an F250 diesel or gas is better. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Need a towing comparison between 7.3 and 6.8
I agree!
Yes please
I cannot compare these two exactly the way you are asking but I do drive a 28 ft box truck on a 750 chassis and it’s very spunky. However my 2020 year motorhome 32 ft and towing my ford flex with the 6:8 10 cylinder to me is more responsive throttle wise smoother idiling and in my opinion I prefer the old 6.8 over either one of these here. But I hope you get the answer you are looking for
For what. Who gives a sh about towing when u consider most truck buyers don't ever towwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I have a 7.3L and toooooow all the time. My 7.3L out pulls my buddies 6.8L with same 10k load. In a flat out drag race empty it leaves the 6.8 in the dust. Ford may as well just have one engine, probably doesn’t cost but $100 difference to manufacture one over the other. But my 7.3L does sound just a little better stock, it cracks and pops just a little more, and revs just a little faster.
I can learn more about Ford trucks from JB than any dealership. Nice job on making the videos.
Never trust salesmen knowledge on cars. I've never met a car salesmen who knew more about the product in question that I did.
He had his Octane uses backwards....Higher up you need Higher Octane
I have a 21 7.3 gas and have been running 93, if I recall it's recommended for towing. I felt that it does make a minor difference when towing. I did end up putting a 93 tune on the truck and the performance was greatly improved.
Every vehicle I’ve owned called for premium because they’ve been boosted or high compression. Thought I could get away with 87 on this engine until one day I had pretty significant knocking. Wasn’t my first tank running 87 so I firmly believe I got bad gas, but it was enough for me to keep it simple and fill up with premium every time. I don’t typically tow heavy but I do tow often, this way I don’t have to worry about what grade fuel I have in the tank if an impromptu desert trip comes up. All my desert toys also burn premium so it makes filling up my jugs and truck simpler. On the flip side I did gain a solid 1 mpg. I can’t say if this is attributed to fuel or merely the truck getting broken in, perhaps a bit of both but I can say it correlated with the fuel change.
I have a 2022 f350 7.3 gas and pull 13,000lb. Fifth wheel with 87 octane with no issues!
@@barrywood8358not everyone is aware of what knock is.
You are not a snowflake
Neither is your extremely heavily sound deadened vehicle.
Just curious, how many miles do you have on the truck? I own a 23 and so far love it.
@@ovritphew9675 My truck has 56k on it. I haven't had any issues so far.
One of the rare content creators where i subed on my first view. You cover all the important stuff quickly, you know the packages so well, thanks for a great review!
2 Things , you can't get the 4.30 gears with the 6.8 in the short bed on the XL. Also if you get the XL Off-Road package you can not get that STX package you were talking about.
I like the STX package but I like the XL Off-Road package more so I would get that with the 8ft. Bed and lower 4.30 gearing.
The off road package has Off-Road tires , locking rear axel , winch and skid plates.
I got the 2024 single cab f350 xl gas 8ft bed I love it so far
Just bought af250 6.8 and i will tell you, i love it. I had a 3.0 Duramax, and I regret buying it. Had nothing but problems. This 6.8 made me miss a v8 gas truck.
I got a 2020 2500hd duramax and it's a complete lemon. The l5p core is fine, it's all the emissions and electronics that they have slapped on it. Absolutely a waste of money and time. Left stranded in 7 states, Chevrolet doesn't stand behind their products. Their techs can't seem to figure out anything let alone that it has 9 grease fittings in the front. 49 codes so for with < 60k miles. Waiting on my 2024 F350 with the 7.3L to come in in September then I am done with Chevrolet forever.
@@kmonto1971I just bought a 2024 f350 single cab gas I love it so far first super duty so getting used to feeling all the bumps lol but I plan on lifting a little and bigger tires would look better
@@tayzonday8734 Awesome. Mine just came in and it's outstanding. The ride is a bit rougher than I thought but that just means bilstein 5100s are on the list to do. Quality of the build from Kentucky is great so far. Love it.
@@kmonto1971 what are bilstein 5100? But yea same here didn’t expect it to be as rough but I live in Florida these country roads bumpy as hell lol but I love this truck best one I’ve had so far
@@tayzonday8734 Bilstein 5100 series of shocks that I have put on the last 3 trucks I have had. Just got my new truck so gonna going ahead and swap out the stockers for these again. They do very well, check out the reviews and youtube reviews. Never been disappointed.
All of the new engines have knock sensors. Running on 87 will not hurt it. Maybe couple less horsepower due to retarded spark timing. Wasting $$$$ on premium fuel. The XL with 6.8, 2 WD will be the truck with the highest Payload/Cargo capacity because it is not saddled with a bunch of heavy accessories that rob you of capability. XL is the way to go.
Agreed. I run 87 unless I’m towing in the hills or mountains. I was able to tell a difference using premium out west but down here in the southeast not really. I save the $$ and use 87 most of the time.
@@flamarlamb You need less octane at higher elevation. That's why they sell 85 octane out west.
You'll never go wrong putting better quality fuels and fluids in your vehicle. You're they guy I try to avoid when buying a used car.
@@treeamigo8447 I didn't say to run "Cheap" fuel. I think top tier fuels are best. It is just not necessary to run higher octane fuels. As I stated most of not all modern FI engines have knock sensors. No damage will be done by running on regular 87 Octane. Actually you would love to buy one of my vehicles. I take extremely good care and over maintain. I have driven several of my vehicles over 300k miles without problems. Yes, I'm an old fart
I just bought a 2024 f350 single cab gas 6.8 I noticed running it on E85 will last longer than running on 87, putting 87 in I went thru gas like crazy
6.8L = 405 HP 445 LB FT
7.3 = 430 HP 485 LB FT (NEW) 475 LB FT (OLD)
Where are those numbers derived from? Wheels? Engine on a stand? Just curious how they come up with the numbers. I just bought a '24 with a 7.3L. Seems stronger than my problematic 6.2 that I traded out of.
I bought my 2020 F350 7.3 with a 10R140 trans. I believe in my research since they were both new for 2020 the 10R140 is slightly different between the diesel and gas engines'. I'm not talking about gear ratios. Some kind of bearings the diesel has 3 and gas has 2. It may 4 and 3, I don't remember exactly.
They are different. I wasn't going to say anything after watching his video but you are correct.
I'd bet the diesel version has more planetary gears in its clutches than the gas version does.
My 2022 F-350 XLT long box crew cab 7.3 is FUN to drive. Nuff said.
Small town rural middle of the USA school system bought 3 new school busses for the school year starting in fall of 2021 with the 7.3 instead of diesel. No complaints so far, MUCH cheaper to service. Milage is about the same except right now gas is 80 cents per gallon cheaper and the initial purchase price was also cheaper. They are detuned to 365 hp for applications like this but the drivers rave about the power
Thanks JB for the great video. Just bought an F350, XL STX 6.8. So far so good.
Same except mine is a single cab xl gas 2024 I love it so far
I was hoping someone would do this comparison, I had a tremor 7.3 that one had no issues over 36k loved it but issues that some were having ran me out of it. Now have a standard output 6.7 so far so good.
Will admit the tow ability over longer hauls can get tiresome in the 7.3 especially with elevation changes.
What issues were you hearing of?
@@caseyday3835
Catastrophic engine failures at less than 100k, requiring full replacement. Widespread transmission issues. Warranty denials. It's a ford, so the list goes on and on.
Wish the 6.8L and 10R100 were the standard engine all the way up into the Lariat. Then 7.3L and 10R140 was the option. I would have ordered my 2024 Lariat with the 6.8L. Now that I have it, I do like the 7.3, but would have preferred the 6.8. I don't tow heavy. This is my overlanding pickup so have a light-weight slide-in pickup camper (1,600lb) and am about 2,500lb payload with camper, gear and people. Most I tow is 3,000lb fishing boat or 3,000lb enclosed trailer. 6.8L would have been plenty and would have gotten better mileage, even if a small amount, when driving, when idling, or when putting along in 4low for hours at a time on a trail. The 6.8L would have done everything I need and more and been more efficient while doing it. I only needed a Superduty for payload. I have no need for a 6.8L much less a 7.3L, but those are all one can get in an SD. I would have opted for the 6.8L if I could have.
The efficiency is minuscule going from a 7.3 to 6.8 better to have that extra power and not need it then need it and not have it
@jimmyb4956 I'll take miniscule efficiency gains as I absolutely don't need the power of the 6.8L much less the 7.3L.
I don't tow heavy and simply need the payload for an overlanding pop-up slide-in camper. Once we are loaded with camping gear, recovery gear, two passengers, and put on receiver hitch with MTB or tongue weight of little 3,000lb trailer, we well exceed max payload of Fullsize pickups. We are 2,000 to 2,600lb payload.
Any small V8 would do the trick for our use, especially with the 10 speed. Hence why I would have preferred to at least have had the option of choosing the 6.8L.
Informationally, my small 4.6L V8 in my Tundra did everything I needed with camper and trailer; the chassis just didn't have the payload we needed so finally changed to an SD.
@@MrChadx1 agree, payload is definitely the reason for the step up to a 3/4 ton truck, half tons have some perks, but don’t have the required payload. Yea, they can tow a good amount, but no payload to speak of. Heck they have unbelievable 4cylinder performance numbers these days, that would work for a good entry-level 3/4 ton truck option, especially with most days of the truck being a commuter vehicle or a grocery getter. IDK, time will tell what they do next.
I'm not sure I understand why Ford built a 6.8 liter Engine to start with. I don't know, I guess they just have to have a standard and optional engine when it comes to gas . It just seems like it would have been cheaper for Ford to just put the 7.3 in the truck And call it a day.
They build the 6.8 so they can charge you money to upgrade to the 7.3.
Which one is better? Better reliability ?
They most likely limit the 6.8 within the XL model because that's the #1 seller for fleet sales. They wouldn't be able to sell as many and stay within the BS federal CAFE standards and various V8 quantity restrictions that exist (that most people don't know about and are also BS and should exist). So many unnecessary regulations limit our choices and most of all cost us a HELL of a lot of extra money on the bottom line.
I miss my 08 F350 6.8... I knew to change the spark plugs out early and bought the extended warranty so the dealership had to replace the exhaust manifolds... Thing was no rocketship but would tow like a diesel
Completely different engine though. The 6.8L you're talking about is an old V-10 Ford used since the late 1990s. The 6.8L V8 in this truck is new and shares absolutey nothing other than displacement with the old V-10.
@@nathanmcdonald610 one can only hope that the new 6.8 V-8 is as durable as the 6.8 V-10, that engine was an absolute workhorse
For the record the 6.8 is same block and piston size has slightly less stroke. the lower stroke reduces the piston speed slightly at the same rpm.. Therefore you can run slightly higher compression and also the longer stroke needs less timing.
I have a 2024 XL with the 6.8, 3.73 locker and 10 speed "G" (super cab) and the gas cap says E85. If I recall the 6.8 has roller rockers (7.3 does not) and a cast crank. Just breaking it in. Got WeatherTech items (front floor liner, seat covers, mud flaps) and the LineX spray-in bed liner. All good @ initial break-in. Interesting that it comes with front seat side airbags, and one of the straps of the seat cover can't be used since it blocks the side airbag. But I just tucked it away.
Hello. Are all 2024 Godzilla 6.8/7.3 engines E85? Was "E85" on your invoice?
You said the 7.3 does NOT have roller lifters. That contradicts every other video I've seen on the 7.3.
I've watched over a half dozen videos, as I'm considering switching from my 6.7 Diesel F-350 to the 7.3 gas engine.
Several channels have even mentioned a problem with the roller lifters on the 7.3 - the hardened surface of the rollers have sometimes flaked/chipped.
Are you sure about the 7.3 not having rollers? Can you cite a source stating this?
@@gregparrott Ok checked the Ford website, the 7.3 has Hydraulic Roller Lifters and sorry I made an incorrect statement. Of course the manufacturer's website is the best source of information.
@@JoeJalopy Thanks for acknowledging.
Did you do a speed and performance run with the 6..8 and 6.4 hemi with 4.11? Who would win?
2024 offers 6.8 on xlt. You actually get a credit!
Just bought a 2024 gas f350 single cab XL and I love it
Ty for sharing, I like the side by side reviews, they really do help ... and gotta admit being I driver in northeast and winter seasons, parking it outside that Xl with offroad you featured be really neat thing to fit my needs ... Not my wallet ... # msrp-end-of-year-sale lol ...
starting at 8:01 the 6.8 sounds like the popping 4.6 Triton but the 7.3 sounds like the 5.4 Triton (like a mean truck engine)
I agree the 7.3 sounds a little better. It is interesting that the GM 6.6 has about the same power as the Ford 6.8.
The 6.2 was probably the most reliable gas engine Ford had ever produced. The 6.8 is going to have the same issues as the 7.3. at this point GMC definitely has the most reliable gasser for daily work applications.
Not even close. The most reliable gas engine Ford ever produced was the 300ci I6
:56. The Ford 7.3 is not a big block . It’s bore spacing of 4.53” is more in line with a small block,than the typical 4.8-5.0 bore spacing of a big block .
Correct. The last big block offered by Ford was the 460 and that ended back in the 90’s. Gas mileage so bad you’d need a tanker truck following you wherever you went
I had a 460 and it got better mileage than my 351
With only a four-speed transmission or 5-speed manual with the 460 axle ratio was critical for MPGs and yes this is a small block with large Pistons similar to a Chevy 400 including the steam holes testing is much better than the 70s we'll see if people still like them in Ten years if I bought one I definitely put a coolant filter on it
Somewhat disappointing Ford doesn’t offer the 6.8 at least up to the XLT. Looks like they intended to replace the 6.2 with the 6.8 for all the work truck applications. Too bad because the 6.8 is sufficient for many day-to-day and recreational applications. Good to see Ford is still offering the extended cab. I just wish they’d put a door handle on the outside of the back doors. Thanks for the insightful video.
I was under the impression the 6.2 was discontinued
These are made in much the same way as the 2 valve Triton engines. My 03 F150 has 417,000 miles on that 5 4 Triton and runs perfectly. Lets see if these will make that kind of mileage and more. I think they wiĺl if they are built right to begin with. I know they had issues with some sort of coating or something coming off the ? ?, some part in the engine,hopefully problems like that are resolved.
That’s encouraging! I have an 02 f150 with 148,000 on it.
The 7.3 is pretty solid know with the majority of the issues resolved so the 6.8 will most definitely have some issues but time will tell how bad some those will be
I heard reports a couple years ago about the hardening on the roller lifters chipping/flaking. That is what you may be referring to. If so, I sure hope Ford has addressed this in the ~2 to 3 years since this issue surfaces.
Difference in sound of the two is as simple as different Ford muffler and resonators used between the two when built. Appears to me Ford is using this drivetrain as a mule for this new " in between" 10 speed automatic transmission.
when I ordered my 24 f250 at the dealer it showed the 6.8 as a option for the xlt trim level. So I think you can get a 6.8 in a xlt you would just have to have a dealer custom order you one. Granted it makes no sense because it showed the 7.3 as the default engine option and the 6.8 didn't say you would get any money back. No point in getting a 6.8 if for the same price you can get the 7.3
Loved my '20 7.3. The monster of all gassers. Couldnt stand the 10spd. IT HAD TO GO
What issues did you have with the transmission?
@@gregormaitland5065 didnt care for its characteristics. Low, casual speed turning always prompted a heavy and abrupt downshift. Also the engineering behind turning a very large v8 in to a torque monster negating the free, effortless reving of a v8. Which IMO is the essence of a v8. I think the powerstroke masked alot of these issues due to the abundance of torque. In the end the feel and tangible aspects were simply "desirable" tuning on Fords end. On the other hand if you choose to drive aggressively the 10 spd would be very rewarding. I do not conform to societal expectations and im never in a rush. Was a bad deal for me. I much prefer the german made 8 spds in the Ram come to find out
They are smooth as butter aren't they
@@angrybeavers1175 the hemi 8 spd combo is really just perfection.
I have a 23 and actually find myself limiting the trans to 8th for most of my around town driving.
Just bought the new 2024 F250 and as soon as I left the lot, I got a terribly irritating whining noise from the transmission, dealer will do nothing about it, they said it's normal in all of the superduties is that true?????
Same here on my new 2024 F-250 6.8....seems so run ok tho....but I do hear it.
Wow that’s the most informative comparison I have heard so far! Great video, thanks!
Reasons I’m interested in the 6.8 over 7.3 (could change). Availability, cheaper, XL package vynil seats which are perfect for lawn care work, and plenty of power for hauling mowers and skid steers. Dont need a show boat, just a work horse.
Love my 2020 7.3 Godzilla. Over 100k on it now.
Whoa! You already have 100k miles (or kilometers?) Has this included a fair amount of towing and if so, what was the average tow weight and gas mileage?
I have a 6.7 Diesel F-350 and am considering switching to the 7.3 gas engine.
Also, a couple channels mentioned that there have been a few instances of roller lifter failures on the 7.3. Have you heard of anything like this?
Did they fix the lifter issue on the 7.3 due Tom,ack of oil ?
ford never should have stopped putting the 6.8 V10 in their trucks
They are terrible on fuel and underpowered. GM and Ram would eat Ford alive if they put out a 300 HP V10 engine
@@full---movie the V10 was literally the most powerful stock gasser until like 2018, and that was 20 years with NO changes, its a mod motor ford easily could have made it far more powerful.
@@TacticalTirpitzle
320 horsepower was the most powerful stock gaser in 2018?
@@full---movie 460 lb ft torque is where it matters
Why doesn't Ford offer dual exhaust, cost savings I'm sure.
They did change the rocker arms on the 7.3 as well. The front axle is different than the '22, and the rear axle options are different than the '22, except for the Sterling 10.5.
I have a 6.7 Diesel F-350 and am considering switching to the 7.3 gas engine.
A couple channels mentioned that there have been a few instances of roller lifter failures on the 7.3. Is this what prompted you to change the rocker arms?
If not, what prompted the rocker arm change, and how many miles were on the engine?
My 23 6.8 has the black has cap that says e15. I dont think they are all compatible unless it was ordered with the e85 option.
Maybe it depends on the state it was sold in due to state regulations
Model year difference. The 24 is E85.
Would you suggest the 4.30 ratio if you were going to offroad the truck with a lift and 37" tires?
Oh yeah. You always wanna run higher gear ratio with bigger tires.
Good comparison! Merry Christmas!
a number of tech,s in Canada are hesitant about the variable displacement oil pump , could cause delamination on the lifter rollers in some cases .
The only thing that freaks me out is the lifter de-laminating… has Ford addressed this issue yet?????
Wish they had the power band of the 460, you could hold throttle just right and it would hold 2500rpm through each gear with no change at all, with these new 10 speeds don't see why they couldn't keep them lower considering the 460 only had a 4 speed
The 460 was a nice engine. Besides, I like the big blocks. However, by all specification I've seen, the 7.3 engine has more horsepower and essentially the same amount of torque. The 460 was rated at 365 hp and 485 lb.-ft, while the 7.3 is rated at 430hp and 475 (now 485 lb-ft) The displacement are also pretty similar: (460 vs. 445.5 cu. in.)
Based on this, if you switched from automatic shift to manual mode, the 7.3 should exhibit a very similar torque profile.
@@gregparrott 460 did not have 465 hp and 485 in trucks
@@rock-uu7qr I did not say it did. I said the 460 was rated at 365 hp (not 465 hp as you stated) and 485 lb.-ft,
I assume you meant to say that in trucks, the 365 horsepower was de-rated. You are probably right that the HP was lower (what was it?). But the torque is probably very close in both the automotive and truck applications, with the truck's peak torque probable being at a slightly lower speed.
@@gregparrott nope you are very wrong my family has always owned obs fords and never once did a gutless ass 460 make anywhere above 280hp and certainly not 480lbs of torque
You are correct...my 95 only rated at 255hp and 400 ft lbs
The problem I have with going to a 7.3l from a 6.8l is the mandatory STX package of $5800 to gain 25 HP.
Ok , I run the Reg Cab V8 super Charger XL F150
Which is Terrifyingly fast!!!
The 23 make pick up and delivery to the airport.
And was undefeated until a fancy BMW recently beat me .
Those 4 door trucks not even close.
The 6,8 is now available in the xlt
Shame on ford for depriving buyers of the 7.3 by not having engine displacement call outs on the sides somewhere.Like they did for the (undesirable)6 cylinder jobs a few years ago.
6.8 vs the outgoing 6.2?
Ford !!
Just make one reliable big boy gas pushrod engine,make it work and clean that engine bay up…looks like an 80s carbed Honda under that hood
Hello. Are all 2024 Godzilla 6.8/7.3 engines E85? What code for "E85" is on the invoice?
The XL will last longer due to fewer "nickle and diming". Give these both time and see how well they are. 25-year set-up if you're careful and agressive about care.
My 22 F 450 7.3 gas engine,
Transmission failed @ 85k
Valve train failed @ 155
The cam /bearings and lifters fail,
It is a common problem with these models
Thanks this was a great Video about gas engine!
7.3 sounded great. I really like the rasp ford trucks have
Great video! I’ve been waiting for this video. Great information and presented well. 👍
Love my 2022 F350 with the 7.3.
Nice comparo. Thanks for going in depth on the drivetrain stats.
7.3 gas can be tune up to 8901 tor.
As a die hard ford guy, let it up to ford to have 2 different transmissions for basically the same engine, that’s the problem with ford they always change sensors and little stuff over the years
I have a 2023 xl with stx package and it came with the 7.3
Just looked at my 2023 F250 XL STX 6.8 and can only take E0-E15 not E85
I can't buy an XL for the silly reason the seat is too low for my 5'10" height.
Is it really?
It's not just an issue of high elevation that you want/don't want a higher ratio rear. If you're towing more and you're closer to the limit, you want a higher ratio. There's just so many positives to a higher ratio rear diff. There's also a lot of negs to a higher ratio as well.
415 hp for the 7.3, ford had to come clean on that 430 hp statement as it was false.
Apparently you cannot get a f250 gas on a cab and chassis truck. It has to be an f350
Have they stopped the 7.3 from eating lifters and camshafts?
I had the same concern before I bought my 23 and raised it with the mechanics at the dealership where I bought it and the updates to this motor described in this video were just a few of the mods Ford made to try and eliminate the issues some had. I also researched the failure rating of the issues you brought up and as suck as it sounds the industry standard is roughly sub 3% of all new vehicles mechanical failures/problems and the 7.3 is right there. I think it gets so much more attention due to the love we truck guys have for our trucks and the internet. I've spoken with a bunch of people over the last year since I bought my 23 who are driving 20's and up some with well over 100k on them with zero complaints. Long and short so far I like mine (traded in my 19 Ram 6.4 with no issues) so I'll keep driving. Go online, there were plenty of concerns for my Ram about engine and transmission and I put almost 90k on it no prob. I tow a tractor and a RV camper a lot and have no complaints so far.
Thanks for the video. Happy New Year
Ford didn’t shock the world. The plastic oil pump and all.
Quick question….I live in the dfw/Oklahoma area. If I have the 7.3 down here and don’t run 93 gas, what problems will that cause?
Can run 87 Octane as the bare minimum per the owners manual. Lots of guys run 87 and have no issues on MPG. Might not tow as great as running 91 or 93
I run 87 most of the time and even towed 10K...no issue. Performance is better with 93 octane BUT I do have it tuned as well.
@@Greg-bu7mi What did you do to 'Tune' the 7.3 engine? (a 'Forscan' tool is sometimes mentioned as a useful tool. Perhaps that's involved?)
I have a 6.7 Diesel, but am considering the 7.3 gas engine.
@@gregparrott, I have a 5-Star tune w/tuner. That has improved performance particularly with 94 octane. I can switch it up get less response/performance going to 87 etc
@@gregparrottI have also used FORScan for adjusting vehicle settings. Works fine
Excellent and thorough review.
Good vid. Nice comparison
Great video. Lots of info.
Aren't you mistaken saying Ford brough back the 7.3? I thought the 7.3 gasser was a whole new engine. When I hear someone say 7.3 I think about a PowerStroke or an IDI. Both of which have nothing in common with this engine.
Most of what he is saying is wrong, and when you go up to higher elevations you don't need higher octane because there's less oxygen in the air, so you'll just have a richer air to fuel mixture, but the old 460 was a better engine than you may ever see again, 400 cubes would be preferable though with a turbo gas motor,
6.6 L8T GM is the best gas option work truck out there paired with the 6L90 transmission. Not sold on the 10speed yet. But the Cummins or D max is this the best option. Good luck working on a 6.7 powerchoke!!!
Many people are having severe oil consumption issues with the 6.6L gas engines. It’s very worrisome and I would avoid it until GM figures out how to fix this issue.
I haven’t had any oil consumption problems so far🤞 but I will say anything built after 2020 is not that great no matter what you buy!!!!
@@mikewill1891 hopefully it stays that way… GM did put out a service bulletin about it. It seems they feel up to almost 2 qts is acceptable over 7000 miles. Definitely not acceptable to me and not worth the risk even as a life long GM fan.
You are just a GM diehard, Chevrodump can't make a good engine. They don't even have the displacement, all they have is the ability to eat cams.
Only truck I support 100% is my 5.7 tundra best half ton truck ever built.
The biggest problem is not the engine options, it's the price point. Drop the prices and consumers will buy them.
I'll buy one for $650 right now
No comparison, a diesel is an absolute POS!! The cost along with maintenance and fuel cost is no comparison. The gas truck is more economical in the end for the problems that diesel has especially with the Def system. Fuel mileage is not enough to make up for the problem’s diesel have.
You have to be working a truck daily to warrent a diesel these days. The whole "i tow a big camper" isnt really a good argument with great gas options out there. But if you have the money more power to ya.
@@Tman0517 as a longtime shop owner I would suggest if a truck is working daily to buy a real truck with a tilt hood and better diesel not a pickup cause the amount spent and the difference in maintenance 🧑🔧 is not smart to buy a diesel pickup compared to a larger 2 ton real diesel preferably with air brakes. You get much more towing capacity and a lot less maintenance. Otherwise a normal pickup gas is the best option all around. It just won’t give problems
I have a 2017 F-350 SRW with the 6.7. At 33,500 miles a check engine light came on. The error code is DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). Ford said I should replace the DPF filter, with the cost being $1200. Checking online, there is a chance that a 'Manual Regen' mode (not accessible without a special tool) might (just might) enable the particulate filter to be burned clean. When I mentioned that I drive very conservatively (gentle acceleration, no flooring it), have rarely towed, and with no tow so far exceeding 5,000 lbs, I was told that my light use may actually ACCELERATE DPF issues because the engines are meant to be driven harder. VERY frustrating to be gentle with it and be penalized for doing so.
@@gregparrott You just proved my whole point!! I been mechanic for over 40yrs, Diesels are best ever in medium /heavy duty trucks, tilt hood air brakes etc, but automotive pickups are a joke. You pay as much for them as a real commercial truck with half the towing ability . Not to mention the more expensive maintenance less powertrain life and the engine accessibility is a complete joke. Gas engine is best option for any pickup period from a mechanic point of view. If people want a diesel buy an air brake truck with tilt hood !! They will out last out perform any pickup. People have to see the real issues and cost , the long term cost difference speaks volumes, between high diesel prices and maintenance cost along with initial purchase cost difference, gas engine is more economical and less maintenance. Not to mention the more quiet ride and easy parts available. To each his own, but from a veteran mechanic, I refuse to own a diesel in a pickup period . Good luck!!
@@Gearswapper Yes, I commented KNOWING it substantiated your view. This was the first Diesel I've ever owned. I appreciate the power and torque, and can see why people towing large travel trailers, fifth wheels, etc. willingly pay a premium. But, my anticipated towing requirements will never exceed 10 or 12 thousand pounds. That light towing, plus the realization that Diesel emissions systems are a particular sore point on pickups, has prompted me to consider switching to the 7.3 gas engine.
When I bought the F-350 SRW new in 2017, the only gas engine was the 6.2. Comments about it were OK, but its power was lacking. Had the 7.3 existed in 2017, I would have bought it. I recently test drove a 2023 F-350 SRW with the 7.3 gas engine. It's nice. BUT, the dilemma is whether to live with the Diesel, appreciate its torque and power, but accept a substantially higher maintenance cost than I expected, or pay a fortune to get a new F-350 SRW, where the price for the same vehicle and trim package is now a solid 50% higher than in 2017.
I respect your view as a mechanic, and advantages of a tilt hood (if only the pickup trucks could be offered with that!). But as an average driver, one who does not have a CDL, I don't think a full size commercial truck is a viable alternative for the vast majority of pickup truck owners.
#1) The cost for a commercial driver's license, associated insurance, and periodic testing, would be substantial.
#2) It's very likely these vehicles would have to get in line with large rigs at weigh stations and agricultural checkpoints. (A real pain in the a##)
#3) I very much doubt that the ride quality would match that of a pickup, especially when its towed load and payload have been detached
#4) A full size truck is gross overkill for a light weekend camping trip. carrying a dirt bike of ATV, or getting supplies from a hardware store.
#5) A commercial truck will not fit in most people's garages, and aren't even allowed in many residential districts (including mine).
#6) A lot of people doing off grid camping or skiing in mountainous terrain (I do both) occasionally need 4wd. That is a very pricey item in a large commercial truck.
Funny how Ford ties engine selection to trim levels.
Is the 6.8 a v10
Do these engines have electric oil pumps? I’ve heard the oil pumps are computer controlled.
6.8 is the new work truck!!
Is that 6.8L a V8? or a V10?
Id just get f450 single cab dually and call it a day, or f450 single cab chassis body with the 7.3 and put a cool bed body on it.
No doubt about it, the 7.3 sounds better. The other one sounds like it has the hiccups.
Pisses me off..i tried to build an xl with 7.3 on the website and it forced the stx package which added like 6 grand..and wont let you get vinyl floors. It added a bunch of tech and expensive lights and matched bumpers. I literally just want an xl 4x4 with the 7.3. No extra tech, vinyl floors and seats. Im putting ranch hand bumpers anyways. Dont need the paint matched shit.
Great video my friend
as i understand it these may actually be a small block
The STX package upgrades the engine to the 7.3. I don't think it's possible to get the 6.8 with the stx.
I have a 2023 stx with the 6.8 hopefully it works out good for me
I have a '23 6.8 STX. I believe what you heard was that, in order to get the 7.3L in an XL you have to get the STX package.
Imagine FORD still having issues with poor engine design and manufacturing after over 100 years in business.
I would never buy a late model FORD anything.