@@marcusrussell3375 I know they reduced the weight but the engineers also claim that it’s stronger than ever. In the heady duty world we don’t really see issues with the bottom end on an ISB. We do see a lot of dropped valve seats and what not.
Cummins already makes natural gas engines for their natural gas generators that we use offshore and on hospitals in South Louisiana and also for water pump stations some big 6.7 L engines that work off natural gas. Or to run on diesel, the engine designed to run on natural gas or diesel whatever fuel you have.
The EPA is completely corrupt. I used to work in emissions and I watched as the Diesel just got destroyed by regulations. Everything go tso sophisticated it is an abomination. My belief is they EPA is in cahoots and wants to shut down the entire internal combustion prime mover industry. Electricity is a SECONDARY energy. That means you have to generate it somewhere else then put it to work remotely as in wires everywhere or batteries. It is so inefficient to do it that way. but people are just sitting and letting them take our freedom away from us. We need to take a stand somehow and shut the EPA right down and disassemble it.
Kubota did this because they already had diesel blocks, doesn't work the other way around because diesel blocks are stronger than gas blocks. Could make a VERY long lasting gas enginge
Agree, The big challenge for a spark ignited engine is the ability to transfer heat into the jacket water. With direct injection, 3 way catalyst and a specific cylinder head this engine could be really successful. It takes more than just putting a spark plug into a diesel head and calling it a day.
Well if they got a crate engine solution and you can put it in an existing Ram because you want to get rid of the death filters and still have the ability to pull a trailer or haul a load that would be awesome and the possibility you could retrofit this to an older truck and have a stick shift behind it
YES, this interests me very much. In fact the concept and application of multi-fuel diesel/inline engines has been used by US Army 2.5 and 5 ton military trucks since the 1960’s. This has a military component in it as well!!!!
In the 90s there was available a natural gas and diesel mixed fuel aftermarket kit for large trucks and later for smaller diesel vehicles. These used about 25% methane and 75% diesel. The improvement in noise, emissions, mpg, and smoothness was incredible. It was also complicated. But it might have been better than DPF measures.
As an engineer at a truck manufacturer, I have more recent experience with Diesel engines that have aftermarket conversions to run on natural gas. On smaller engines, like a Cummins B, they entirely eliminate the Diesel fuel by installing spark plugs in place of the injectors and pumping natural gas into the intake manifold. On larger engines, like a Cummins X, they make dual-fuel system that uses a small amount of Diesel fuel as a pilot injection to light off the natural gas.
I think it's a great idea for Ram to use these. Heck, they don't have to change any tooling, just built the chassis for the existing diesel and the gas version of this will bolt right up.
The gas Cummins, especially with numbers like you mention, would absolutely entice me to look at new trucks. I think it could wipe the floor with Fords 7.3 v8.
this will be the next "12 valve" as far as reliability and cost of ownership. I have been saying this for years, someone needs to build an industrial straight 6 gas turbo commercial hybrid platform. they will eventually get a ton of torque out of this thing.
I think they should do an aluminum head on it to lower the weight no need for a cast iron head anyway since the gas engine will have 11 to 1 or less compression ratio you don’t need the extra strength .
Really nice to see more Internal combustion options for real world needs. especially working & commercial duty trucks.... Plus... being that it's using the traditional Diesel block.... which is designed for high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion/Turbo..... This would make this a Very Robust candidate for performance upgrades.... this might be a MONSTER if done right. looking forward to more details... Imagine a Ram 5500 with a Cummins Gas? sweet.
One thing I think is that if they give up Cummins in heavy duty truck while the other manufacturers still have their diesels they will loose. Ram Trucks are very nice trucks but Cummins is a big part of what people like about them. Replacing the Hemi with a Cummins gas engine might work as long as it performs but if they give up Cummins diesel for some in house motor I think that would be a huge mistake. Cummins has a loyal following and I think people will walk away without it.
I think it just allows for more and better options. Because Cummins and Ram are so good, and like you said, Cummins has a loyal following, Ram and Cummins might do better with this head change tech. I love Cummins, I’d buy any engine they make, gas, math as, or diesel, great engines
Old School. Been doing it since 1981. In a BIG Truck. And in the Oil Field For Many many Years. We Ran on Propane over the Road. The B 5.9 in the Oil Field on Nature Gas. 220 Cummins on propane was the first one we did then a 270. Ford HIE off a Volkswagen distb. Gear 10.5 comp. Imco carb. It’s about time they bring it to market.
I thought we were expecting a derivative of the Godzilla Ford 7.3 or 6.8 with twin turbos to work in this class but with regular petrol. It sure would be cool to see these options in the Heavy Duty space.
The M35A2 DUCE 1/2 engine was also one of the first multi-fuel platforms able to run on diesel, Kerosene, Marine Oil, And gasoline. Powered by an LDT 465 in-line 6 cylinder turbocharged multi-fuel engine.
According to rumors in Auburn Hills, a second engine is planned for these trucks. It, too, would be an inline six-cylinder, but engineered specifically for truck engines. The new engine is rumored to be larger-3.7 liters-and to have a more traditional design, other than an odd 30° tilt. A source within Engineering told us that it was tilted over to make room for accessories on the side so that it could fit into smaller engine bays; and to provide space for a better air path, increasing its efficiency. ...
I think I heard they were talking a hurricane with a little more displacement for the heavy duty pickups. It would make sense to offer the Cummins gas and cng engines alongside the diesel.
I had a 250 straight six in a 74 C20 that I preferred over 305 V8's. Same thing with 300 straight six Ford's, I preferred the 300 inline six over 302 V8's in trucks. They don't lug as bad as more powerful V8's. There is a legitimate reason why the inline six is the preferred platform for industrial diesel engines. My 74 C10 was used to haul scrap metal here in hilly western Pennsylvania. It wasn't worth taking a load in if it was under 2,000 pounds and she kept up with traffic just fine even on hills. I had an 86 F250 with the 300 six that was a rack truck that spent its life overloaded with ladders and scaffolding. The same deal, she kept up with traffic without giving any thought to it. Both happened to be manual transmission equipped, the 74 C20 was a column shift 3 speed and the 86 F250 was a 4 speed. Both had great fuel economy and neither had overdrive. With OD I suspect either would rival the fuel economy of any modern 3 liter v6 powered SUV or truck.
In my line of business, we run the ISX15 natural gas engine, which is the same as their diesel engine, but the head just has spart plugs, and everything else is almost the same.
I remember when I was younger, all the UPS step vans used the Ford 300 inline 6. Makes sense to bring back that engine architecture. Less moving parts, better reliability, and since it's gasoline powered, there's more available fueling for it.
This would be the only reason I would look at a Ram 2500. I was all in on another brand and there gas engine. I will wait and see where this goes. Straight 6's have been around a very long time and proven how good they are.
I've always wondered what about natural gas or propane as a lower emissions lower cost bridge to hydrogen why is no one considering this it seems viable on paper unless there are problems with it I'm unaware of I mean do we really have to reinvent the wheel overnight
YES ! I am all for a gas 6.7L as long as they can keep the EGR off of the motor ! Also having it available as a crate motor option for hot rod builds 👏🏻
I have a 2019 Ram 2500 with 6.7 Cummins and would make the move in 2025 to a 6.7 Cummins gas if it came out. I think it will happen just unsure of timeline. Time will tell! Thanks👍
Chevy did this in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They took an Oldsmobile v8. They took the olds 350 changed pistons and put on diesel heads and intake. My dad had one in an 81 caprice. When it finally gave out. We swapped the heads out for gas heads and 2 barrel intake and ran the heck out of it for several years.
I imagine that Ram will probably offer the Hurricane I6 as a base engine with the upgrade to the 6.7 Cummins gasser or diesel. The diesel will probably remain as the highest priced and highest performing engine while the gasser 6.7 will be a mid tier offering. I think the gas powered Cummins will be cheaper because it doesn't require the emissions systems the diesel does, and diesel fuel injection is more complex versus gasoline fuel injection, even in direct injection applications.
Ford could always dust off the schematics for the ford 300 and just improve the head and maybe add a turbo changing nothing with the bottom end and be bulletproof
The 6.7L diesel is arguably the best (I think) medium duty engine ever. However, unless the gas version is substantially cheaper at a cost comparable to other gassers, I can't see where it fits in as just another gas option. Worked for a major dealer for 25+ years and literally sold thousands of the 6.7 diesel and its forerunner, the B5.9.
There are transit busses running CNG manufactured by Nova Bus. They are Cummins manufactured diesel based power plants. Very emissions clean, ISL 8.9 L .
Great video guys! Unfortunately, with Stalantis being an Itaian company, I honestly don't see the Ram HDs lasting much longer. They don't care that much about the American market, and the truck doesn't sell as well as the the other two. This is the start of the downhill of Ram.
I've had 12 BMWs built and tuned like a diesel but with gas e85 fuel. low 4500rpm, small turbo, same afr as a diesel would. works fantastic. cheap corn fuel but 30mpg in a 6000lb x5 that tows with zero issues and makes diesel low end torque an new normal diesel top end. I'm really surprised it's taken this long for anyone to do
Hats off to Cummins but I’m a diesel truck guy all the way I love the sounds and just going down the road windows down and a stick in the floor and the diesel singing away.
They do have parts in common, but Stellantis has a deal with Cummins to have a separate motor for the Rams. The B6.7 Diesel is found in the Freightliner M2-106 and International Medium duty and ICCEs so it will most likely be in thosr
It's something they've been doing already for years. It's expanding to more fuels now, but the diesel and CNG versions of their mid range road going stuff has been sharing a block for years, among other components. I'm interested to see how many other components the new versions share across platforms. The natural gas versions in the bus fleet locally seem to be the most cost efficient, and least maintenance intensive option. With minimal aftertreatment required, they are very simple. But, they run HOT. There was/is a massive recall for the early models that melted the pistons since they ran significantly lighter than the diesel. Turbos are vacuum controlled wastegate systems as opposed to VGTs. I personally don't like the lack of power, but they work well overall.
Nice.... I could see the possibility of the 1 block for 3 different engines (if you can call it that) would make manufacturing more effective both in process and in cost. Great concept
I've got an F-350 dualie with a diesel, it runs great but it's not a Cummins. I bought it just because it was pre-DEF. I'm just learning what that is, used to work on newspaper trucks back in the eighties, wish I'd realized then what they were going to do now.
My wife love her Ram 2500 4wd with that beastly 6.7L. As long as the gas engine has a VGT turbo, it will be accepted. The ZF 8-speed powerline transmission should be a plus. The Jeep JLU performs better than the JKU because of the extra lower gears with the 8-speed transmission.
@hellohumans175 - The VGT have 3 benefits, 1st is a faster response at lower rims, 2nd is enhanced engine braking, and 3rd is less energy and fuel wasted.
Mack trucks had a diesel based gas engine in the sixties/ seventies in their big trucks. Fire trucks had a lot of them because towns could not afford diesel engines but wanted Mack trucks and they could stock one type of fuel.
Would have been good to include the Hurricane Six in the discussion. Unsure if it could be beefy enough for a HD pickup, but it's the only current option if the 6.4 is going away.
If you know anything about older military trucks, White Motor Company built the multifuel engines for the M35A1 trucks. Instead of complex electronics, the injection pump system measured the viscosity of the fuel to cause the distributor injection pump to deliver the proper amounts to individual mechanical fuel injectors. This is a more complex way to do some of the same things using a common rail fuel system, or did they go back to individual fuel injector pressure lines from the high pressure pump source? Cummins has already tried extremely high pressure common rail fuel feed to the injectors. Any screamer Detroit 2 stroke is a common rail fuel source engine, any 855 Cummins and brethren. A new version of old with new engineer trying and money.
This engine would be crazy expensive for a gas engine compared to the hurricane. I can see this as a replacement for the diesel but will someone pay 10k for an upgraded gas engine.
Why? The hurricane is a from scratch engine. New tooling new block new everything this is a 6.7 with a aluminum head and cast pistons. Hurricane will shit the crank out the block of it had to make 650+ftlbs at 2k rpm
If not diesel, but same engine it would be interesting to see the price diff. I wonder how much of that 10k premium is caused by fines and diesel regs.
If they can keep the cost of the gasoline engine option to $4000 over base, I think it will sell well. The diesel option costs ~$10,000. The gas engine should be cheaper due to no DPF or SCR systems, and the fuel system will be cheaper as well.
This engine would not, in my opinion, be an option for large hd trucks. It’s fit would be better in the medium duty truck market, say in the freightliner M 200 series or any of the large box delivery vans. The natural gas option for these trucks would be a better fit. Hydrogen gas is a pipe dream for anything not mounted to a stationary platform. Just not enough heat energy in the gas to make it truly viable for anything else. Natural gas options have been around for years. They burn cleaner than gas and have fewer emissions problems and a very good maintenance cost per mile over the diesel. I don’t look to see this in any Ram pickups. Just don’t think there would be enough cost difference to make Ram dump their newly designed six cylinder engine.
@@DJ-ve5lr I would think a huge part of the $9k+ Ram charges for the Cummins is due to the SCR/DPF systems. That's like $6k to replace. The 6.4 Hemi to 6.7 gas Cummins would be more like $2-4k I would think.
I’d love to see this power train open the door for some gasoline powered Super C RV’s. Something that can tow better than the Godzilla but not break the bank like a Diesel.
Excited to see this in a future Ram 2500 or 3500. The benefits of a gasoline engine not developing all that carbon soot blocking up the EGR, no DEF, able to drive teh car 5mins down the road to the shops without worrying about gettting a diesel up to operating temps to burn cleanly, there's so many positives. And that's before the aftermarket tuners even get hold of these motors! So much to like about this - and from an Australian perspective, it's like running a big Ford Barra engine that's going to be tuned. The diesel engineering of the bottom end will add an awesome ability to pull much bigger numbers out of these motors!
I would 100%, absolutely positively buy a 6.7 gas Cummins Ram. Even better if it had a turbo sitting on the side, but oh the possibilities are endless! It’s already built like a tank to take extreme power and abuse, it’s proven in diesel and running gas won’t change that. Please Ram, make it happen
It will be nice to have a cummins that can be idled without the anxiety of wet stacking slowly leading to lifter failure. Let's just hope it doesn't have some hilarious oversight like the grid heater bolt coming loose and grenading the engine.
The model T used a multi fuel engine. A look back on big truck engines I have a 1948 Brockway with a Continental R6572 gas engine (inline 6 572 CID) Continental built the RD6572 which was the diesel version just a different head.
Heck yeah, I'd be interested in such an inline six for the Ram HD. What other reasonable alternatives are there? I don't think I'd trust the new Hurricane six for such duty, and if it's based off of the Cummins 6.7 diesel block, it should be more than stout enough for HD pickup and fleet duty too. This could easily grab Ram some market share!
You put the gas version in a 2500 and you would convert my fleet from GM to Ram overnight. That 6.7 Cummins gasser with a ZF 8 speed IS A PERFECT recipe.
I think it would be a genius move and a very cost effective way to have multiple engine options for Ram. The manufacturing cost would be streamlined like crazy
The company I work for has been running thousands of cng otr trucks and package delivery vehicles for probably around 8 years. If you have any thoughts on owning one, you had better make darn sure you have a pumping station everywhere you plan to go. The range is very limited. They eat spark plugs like candy. They crack cylinder heads more frequently than they should. Power is not equal to diesel. I am glad that I still drive a diesel
The aftertreatment tech required to make diesels work is its Achilles' heel. Cummins is smart to push the CNG and gasoline options. The marketing play for the B6.7 Octane is that it's so overbuilt it will basically last forever. The question is whether they can make it efficient enough to overcome its extra weight compared to the V8s in the Ford and Chevy. An interesting alternative would be a turbo 4-cylinder version of the B6.7 Octane; it could boast superior efficiency and not have the weight penalty of the 6-cylinder.
there is at least one ram with a 6.7 gas cummins, there is a video on youtube that is at a cummins event and there is a 2018 Ram with the engine as well as some 3 and 5ton trucks.
I work for Cummins and seeing the tech they’re coming out with behind the scenes is mind blowing. Excited for what’s coming out!
have they fixed the diesel block yet .they lighten up new design and now it stretches
@@overbuiltautomotive1299 what engine are we talking about?
The 6.7…they reduced the block weight and now the crank main caps are fretting
@@marcusrussell3375 I know they reduced the weight but the engineers also claim that it’s stronger than ever. In the heady duty world we don’t really see issues with the bottom end on an ISB. We do see a lot of dropped valve seats and what not.
@overbuiltautomotive1299 the engine that's in the Ram trucks is completely different from the actual B6.7 engines
Cummins already makes natural gas engines for their natural gas generators that we use offshore and on hospitals in South Louisiana and also for water pump stations some big 6.7 L engines that work off natural gas. Or to run on diesel, the engine designed to run on natural gas or diesel whatever fuel you have.
I bet the gasoline launches forst
We have 7 15L Cummins running on natgas here in the oil field. All have over 50,000hrs on them trouble free.
We’ve ran propane mowers for landscaping and the oil always looked new on them. Just didn’t have the pick up gasoline does
915 cubic inches
Are these ISX12 N engines? The X15 N is brand new and hasn't been around for 50k hrs (7+ years). Or were they converted for dual fuel?
Do you see lot of cat 3520 natgas engines?
@@freedomisntfree_44i see what u did there
The look on Nathan's Face @0:17 when Andre makes a Sir Mix Alot reference, is priceless, lol.
I can't believe he didn't laugh out loud! Lol
Gasoline. The best delete kit made. I literally specifically ordered my Duallie 3500 with a Hemi to avoid the issues of Diesel Regulations.
Particulate filters are coming for gas engines.
The EPA is completely corrupt. I used to work in emissions and I watched as the Diesel just got destroyed by regulations. Everything go tso sophisticated it is an abomination. My belief is they EPA is in cahoots and wants to shut down the entire internal combustion prime mover industry. Electricity is a SECONDARY energy. That means you have to generate it somewhere else then put it to work remotely as in wires everywhere or batteries. It is so inefficient to do it that way. but people are just sitting and letting them take our freedom away from us. We need to take a stand somehow and shut the EPA right down and disassemble it.
Shhhh, if everyone knows our secret, gas engines will be more expensive. "YEAH DUDE, GAS IS FOR PUSSYS!"
Good thing you are a liar. Otherwise you are dumb.
A hemi and straight six gas engine are not equal. Your gonna drop a valve far before a cummins would.
Kubota did this because they already had diesel blocks, doesn't work the other way around because diesel blocks are stronger than gas blocks. Could make a VERY long lasting gas enginge
Agree, The big challenge for a spark ignited engine is the ability to transfer heat into the jacket water. With direct injection, 3 way catalyst and a specific cylinder head this engine could be really successful. It takes more than just putting a spark plug into a diesel head and calling it a day.
Time will tell its all about emissions
Well if they got a crate engine solution and you can put it in an existing Ram because you want to get rid of the death filters and still have the ability to pull a trailer or haul a load that would be awesome and the possibility you could retrofit this to an older truck and have a stick shift behind it
YES, this interests me very much. In fact the concept and application of multi-fuel diesel/inline engines has been used by US Army 2.5 and 5 ton military trucks since the 1960’s. This has a military component in it as well!!!!
Abrams can run on Diesel or Jet ✈️
In the 90s there was available a natural gas and diesel mixed fuel aftermarket kit for large trucks and later for smaller diesel vehicles. These used about 25% methane and 75% diesel. The improvement in noise, emissions, mpg, and smoothness was incredible. It was also complicated. But it might have been better than DPF measures.
As an engineer at a truck manufacturer, I have more recent experience with Diesel engines that have aftermarket conversions to run on natural gas. On smaller engines, like a Cummins B, they entirely eliminate the Diesel fuel by installing spark plugs in place of the injectors and pumping natural gas into the intake manifold. On larger engines, like a Cummins X, they make dual-fuel system that uses a small amount of Diesel fuel as a pilot injection to light off the natural gas.
I think it's a great idea for Ram to use these. Heck, they don't have to change any tooling, just built the chassis for the existing diesel and the gas version of this will bolt right up.
International used to build a huge I6 gasoline engine. The biggest one was 501 ci. But they also had 401,406,450.
1091 Hall-Scott inline 6…
International is absolute junk!
534 was the biggest
@@billsoinski9136 That was Ford, and you had to cover your truck in gas tanks to get anywhere with one.
Good to see some ICE innovation in the face of the EV onslaught.
Geee... If you don't consume Fux and OAN you would know nothing stopped on the ICE side.
Here's hoping we actually see this show up in HD trucks preferably in both gas and diesel versions, but if nothing else, in a gas version!
The gas Cummins, especially with numbers like you mention, would absolutely entice me to look at new trucks. I think it could wipe the floor with Fords 7.3 v8.
this will be the next "12 valve" as far as reliability and cost of ownership. I have been saying this for years, someone needs to build an industrial straight 6 gas turbo commercial hybrid platform. they will eventually get a ton of torque out of this thing.
Have to fix their block issues first. Their graphite blocks are having issues.
Absolutely interested in all the power plants that Cummins is making, and hopefully ram stays with Cummins
So will the gasoline 6.7L inline 6 cylinder be turbocharged? A 6.7L turbo inline 6 gas engine would actually be pretty cool.
We'll put Gail Banks to work on that.
Yes, they're turboed
I think they should do an aluminum head on it to lower the weight no need for a cast iron head anyway since the gas engine will have 11 to 1 or less compression ratio you don’t need the extra strength .
325hp and 660lb-ft torque is incredible. Those are 05-07 diesel engine numbers and those trucks tended to pull heavy loads just fine.
Really nice to see more Internal combustion options for real world needs. especially working & commercial duty trucks.... Plus... being that it's using the traditional Diesel block.... which is designed for high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion/Turbo..... This would make this a Very Robust candidate for performance upgrades.... this might be a MONSTER if done right. looking forward to more details... Imagine a Ram 5500 with a Cummins Gas? sweet.
We have buses with the 6.7 that run in CNG. Super quiet engines.
One thing I think is that if they give up Cummins in heavy duty truck while the other manufacturers still have their diesels they will loose. Ram Trucks are very nice trucks but Cummins is a big part of what people like about them. Replacing the Hemi with a Cummins gas engine might work as long as it performs but if they give up Cummins diesel for some in house motor I think that would be a huge mistake. Cummins has a loyal following and I think people will walk away without it.
I think it just allows for more and better options. Because Cummins and Ram are so good, and like you said, Cummins has a loyal following, Ram and Cummins might do better with this head change tech. I love Cummins, I’d buy any engine they make, gas, math as, or diesel, great engines
The cummins name is the only reason Ram uses their engine. Fiat makes their own 6.7 engine for their CNH equipment. (case/new holland)
Old School. Been doing it since 1981. In a BIG Truck. And in the Oil Field For Many many Years.
We Ran on Propane over the Road. The B 5.9 in the Oil Field on Nature Gas. 220 Cummins on propane was the first one we did then a 270. Ford HIE off a Volkswagen distb. Gear 10.5 comp. Imco carb. It’s about time they bring it to market.
Great news from Cummins.
I thought we were expecting a derivative of the Godzilla Ford 7.3 or 6.8 with twin turbos to work in this class but with regular petrol. It sure would be cool to see these options in the Heavy Duty space.
The M35A2 DUCE 1/2 engine was also one of the first multi-fuel platforms able to run on diesel, Kerosene, Marine Oil, And gasoline. Powered by an LDT 465 in-line 6 cylinder turbocharged multi-fuel engine.
Yesterday was a multifuel engine.
These will be limited to the fuel they were set up for.
More Nathan, he is the best. I want to see him in every video
Multi fuel engines have been around for industrial and military since the the 1930's
This isn't multi fuel. Each engine will still be only single fuel type
Thank you for calling it multi fuel. That's what is was, is, and has always been the term. Not this bs term that Cummins is calling it.
@@gearhead7896 Yeah, they refine it and give it raised white letters and they've reinvented the wheel. 🤔
@@davidroche9964 🤣😅🤣 Reminds me of tron legacy when they ask well what improvements have we made to OS12 and the CEO says we put a 12 on the box
@@gearhead7896 Yep, marketing 101 ! 🤨
According to rumors in Auburn Hills, a second engine is planned for these trucks. It, too, would be an inline six-cylinder, but engineered specifically for truck engines. The new engine is rumored to be larger-3.7 liters-and to have a more traditional design, other than an odd 30° tilt. A source within Engineering told us that it was tilted over to make room for accessories on the side so that it could fit into smaller engine bays; and to provide space for a better air path, increasing its efficiency. ...
Oh, so they're going back to the leaning-tower-of-power, the 225 slant 6?🤣👍👍
Bad idea just use Cummins
The reason for tilting any inline engine is to lower the hood line of the vehicle.
I think I heard they were talking a hurricane with a little more displacement for the heavy duty pickups.
It would make sense to offer the Cummins gas and cng engines alongside the diesel.
I had a 250 straight six in a 74 C20 that I preferred over 305 V8's. Same thing with 300 straight six Ford's, I preferred the 300 inline six over 302 V8's in trucks. They don't lug as bad as more powerful V8's.
There is a legitimate reason why the inline six is the preferred platform for industrial diesel engines.
My 74 C10 was used to haul scrap metal here in hilly western Pennsylvania. It wasn't worth taking a load in if it was under 2,000 pounds and she kept up with traffic just fine even on hills. I had an 86 F250 with the 300 six that was a rack truck that spent its life overloaded with ladders and scaffolding. The same deal, she kept up with traffic without giving any thought to it. Both happened to be manual transmission equipped, the 74 C20 was a column shift 3 speed and the 86 F250 was a 4 speed.
Both had great fuel economy and neither had overdrive. With OD I suspect either would rival the fuel economy of any modern 3 liter v6 powered SUV or truck.
Cummins is gonna do this. I spoke with a sales rep years ago
Its a fail project, even the thought.
Cummins will lose money, they better stick to that diesel
Imaging this with a 10 speed Eaton
HAPPY EASTER! Glad you put videos out on Mondays so i can focus on CHURCH and FAMILY on Sundays.
In my line of business, we run the ISX15 natural gas engine, which is the same as their diesel engine, but the head just has spart plugs, and everything else is almost the same.
I remember when I was younger, all the UPS step vans used the Ford 300 inline 6. Makes sense to bring back that engine architecture. Less moving parts, better reliability, and since it's gasoline powered, there's more available fueling for it.
Inline engines do seem to be making a comeback, though obviously with turbochargers since people expect a modern level of power and torque.
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I’m looking at them everyday 👍🏾👍🏾
This would be the only reason I would look at a Ram 2500. I was all in on another brand and there gas engine. I will wait and see where this goes. Straight 6's have been around a very long time and proven how good they are.
I've always wondered what about natural gas or propane as a lower emissions lower cost bridge to hydrogen why is no one considering this it seems viable on paper unless there are problems with it I'm unaware of I mean do we really have to reinvent the wheel overnight
YES ! I am all for a gas 6.7L as long as they can keep the EGR off of the motor ! Also having it available as a crate motor option for hot rod builds 👏🏻
I have a 2019 Ram 2500 with 6.7 Cummins and would make the move in 2025 to a 6.7 Cummins gas if it came out. I think it will happen just unsure of timeline. Time will tell! Thanks👍
Chevy did this in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They took an Oldsmobile v8. They took the olds 350 changed pistons and put on diesel heads and intake. My dad had one in an 81 caprice. When it finally gave out. We swapped the heads out for gas heads and 2 barrel intake and ran the heck out of it for several years.
I’ve been waiting for this to come out since I heard about it a while back.
I saw one of the natural gas semi trucks on Texas Interstate operated by UPS a couple of weeks ago.
they are using them for very long time now
I imagine that Ram will probably offer the Hurricane I6 as a base engine with the upgrade to the 6.7 Cummins gasser or diesel. The diesel will probably remain as the highest priced and highest performing engine while the gasser 6.7 will be a mid tier offering. I think the gas powered Cummins will be cheaper because it doesn't require the emissions systems the diesel does, and diesel fuel injection is more complex versus gasoline fuel injection, even in direct injection applications.
Ford could always dust off the schematics for the ford 300 and just improve the head and maybe add a turbo changing nothing with the bottom end and be bulletproof
Yeah but it would never be efficient enough
The 6.7L diesel is arguably the best (I think) medium duty engine ever. However, unless the gas version is substantially cheaper at a cost comparable to other gassers, I can't see where it fits in as just another gas option. Worked for a major dealer for 25+ years and literally sold thousands of the 6.7 diesel and its forerunner, the B5.9.
There are transit busses running CNG manufactured by Nova Bus. They are Cummins manufactured diesel based power plants. Very emissions clean, ISL 8.9 L .
Wow I thought this was an April fools gag, but it's on their site. Ha.
In the 70s when I was in the air force Cummins already had multi fuel engines. So now there doing it in the electronic Era.
Great video guys! Unfortunately, with Stalantis being an Itaian company, I honestly don't see the Ram HDs lasting much longer. They don't care that much about the American market, and the truck doesn't sell as well as the the other two. This is the start of the downhill of Ram.
The reason it says no after treatment or DEF is because it is the screen highlighting the gas version.
This approach makes sense in a number of ways, I do expect Ram to offer this relatively soon!
Was waiting for something like this a long time! Nice to see some major changes and trying to get away from the DEF crap somehow.
I've had 12 BMWs built and tuned like a diesel but with gas e85 fuel. low 4500rpm, small turbo, same afr as a diesel would. works fantastic. cheap corn fuel but 30mpg in a 6000lb x5 that tows with zero issues and makes diesel low end torque an new normal diesel top end. I'm really surprised it's taken this long for anyone to do
Good day N54 Do u live in North america? Bmw are english! Thanks
@@donvoll2580 BMW is European
@@N54God666 German to be specific hahaha
Would be crazy for the racing scene. Could run some wild boost numbers with e85+/race fuel
Hats off to Cummins but I’m a diesel truck guy all the way I love the sounds and just going down the road windows down and a stick in the floor and the diesel singing away.
They do have parts in common, but Stellantis has a deal with Cummins to have a separate motor for the Rams. The B6.7 Diesel is found in the Freightliner M2-106 and International Medium duty and ICCEs so it will most likely be in thosr
My '08 Jayco RV on the E450 chassis has a Cummins gas engine in it.
It's the generator, but... 😉🤣
Cummins bought out Onan a while back.
@@scotcoon1186 that was the Idea
We have a few school busses with Cummins V8 CNG/Propane..they have done very good...
I drive a 2014 school bus and it uses a natural gas Cummins
How's the power compared to diesel?
It's something they've been doing already for years. It's expanding to more fuels now, but the diesel and CNG versions of their mid range road going stuff has been sharing a block for years, among other components. I'm interested to see how many other components the new versions share across platforms.
The natural gas versions in the bus fleet locally seem to be the most cost efficient, and least maintenance intensive option. With minimal aftertreatment required, they are very simple. But, they run HOT. There was/is a massive recall for the early models that melted the pistons since they ran significantly lighter than the diesel. Turbos are vacuum controlled wastegate systems as opposed to VGTs. I personally don't like the lack of power, but they work well overall.
Cummins has been working on a CNG/Hydrogen version of the X15 for along time. They already have a Head conversion for the X15 and ISB 6.7
That 5.0L Cummins V-8 was super reliable. As a boat anchor. Hopefully this is better.
Nice.... I could see the possibility of the 1 block for 3 different engines (if you can call it that) would make manufacturing more effective both in process and in cost. Great concept
Cummins has been using natural gas 5.9L engines in generators for a while now. There is even natural gas DD series 60s in generators too.
How hard would it be to build a sleeved aluminum block with the same pattern?
The cowboy hat looks good on Andre. As for Nathan's cap: Taxi! 🚕😁
I've got an F-350 dualie with a diesel, it runs great but it's not a Cummins. I bought it just because it was pre-DEF. I'm just learning what that is, used to work on newspaper trucks back in the eighties, wish I'd realized then what they were going to do now.
My wife love her Ram 2500 4wd with that beastly 6.7L. As long as the gas engine has a VGT turbo, it will be accepted. The ZF 8-speed powerline transmission should be a plus. The Jeep JLU performs better than the JKU because of the extra lower gears with the 8-speed transmission.
why VGT turbo on a gasoline engine ? why not regular waste gated turbo ?
@hellohumans175 - The VGT have 3 benefits, 1st is a faster response at lower rims, 2nd is enhanced engine braking, and 3rd is less energy and fuel wasted.
Mack trucks had a diesel based gas engine in the sixties/ seventies in their big trucks. Fire trucks had a lot of them because towns could not afford diesel engines but wanted Mack trucks and they could stock one type of fuel.
Would have been good to include the Hurricane Six in the discussion. Unsure if it could be beefy enough for a HD pickup, but it's the only current option if the 6.4 is going away.
If you know anything about older military trucks, White Motor Company built the multifuel engines for the M35A1 trucks. Instead of complex electronics, the injection pump system measured the viscosity of the fuel to cause the distributor injection pump to deliver the proper amounts to individual mechanical fuel injectors. This is a more complex way to do some of the same things using a common rail fuel system, or did they go back to individual fuel injector pressure lines from the high pressure pump source? Cummins has already tried extremely high pressure common rail fuel feed to the injectors. Any screamer Detroit 2 stroke is a common rail fuel source engine, any 855 Cummins and brethren. A new version of old with new engineer trying and money.
This engine would be crazy expensive for a gas engine compared to the hurricane. I can see this as a replacement for the diesel but will someone pay 10k for an upgraded gas engine.
Why? The hurricane is a from scratch engine. New tooling new block new everything this is a 6.7 with a aluminum head and cast pistons. Hurricane will shit the crank out the block of it had to make 650+ftlbs at 2k rpm
If not diesel, but same engine it would be interesting to see the price diff. I wonder how much of that 10k premium is caused by fines and diesel regs.
If they can keep the cost of the gasoline engine option to $4000 over base, I think it will sell well. The diesel option costs ~$10,000. The gas engine should be cheaper due to no DPF or SCR systems, and the fuel system will be cheaper as well.
This engine would not, in my opinion, be an option for large hd trucks. It’s fit would be better in the medium duty truck market, say in the freightliner M 200 series or any of the large box delivery vans. The natural gas option for these trucks would be a better fit. Hydrogen gas is a pipe dream for anything not mounted to a stationary platform. Just not enough heat energy in the gas to make it truly viable for anything else. Natural gas options have been around for years. They burn cleaner than gas and have fewer emissions problems and a very good maintenance cost per mile over the diesel. I don’t look to see this in any Ram pickups. Just don’t think there would be enough cost difference to make Ram dump their newly designed six cylinder engine.
@@DJ-ve5lr I would think a huge part of the $9k+ Ram charges for the Cummins is due to the SCR/DPF systems. That's like $6k to replace. The 6.4 Hemi to 6.7 gas Cummins would be more like $2-4k I would think.
Very interesting and great new technology!
I thought this was announced that they were working on this a couple years ago. In fact I think I heard the news from TFL
I’d love to see this power train open the door for some gasoline powered Super C RV’s. Something that can tow better than the Godzilla but not break the bank like a Diesel.
Excited to see this in a future Ram 2500 or 3500. The benefits of a gasoline engine not developing all that carbon soot blocking up the EGR, no DEF, able to drive teh car 5mins down the road to the shops without worrying about gettting a diesel up to operating temps to burn cleanly, there's so many positives. And that's before the aftermarket tuners even get hold of these motors! So much to like about this - and from an Australian perspective, it's like running a big Ford Barra engine that's going to be tuned. The diesel engineering of the bottom end will add an awesome ability to pull much bigger numbers out of these motors!
Bring it on now
I would 100%, absolutely positively buy a 6.7 gas Cummins Ram. Even better if it had a turbo sitting on the side, but oh the possibilities are endless! It’s already built like a tank to take extreme power and abuse, it’s proven in diesel and running gas won’t change that. Please Ram, make it happen
It will be nice to have a cummins that can be idled without the anxiety of wet stacking slowly leading to lifter failure. Let's just hope it doesn't have some hilarious oversight like the grid heater bolt coming loose and grenading the engine.
The model T used a multi fuel engine. A look back on big truck engines I have a 1948 Brockway with a Continental R6572 gas engine (inline 6 572 CID) Continental built the RD6572 which was the diesel version just a different head.
Heck yeah, I'd be interested in such an inline six for the Ram HD. What other reasonable alternatives are there? I don't think I'd trust the new Hurricane six for such duty, and if it's based off of the Cummins 6.7 diesel block, it should be more than stout enough for HD pickup and fleet duty too. This could easily grab Ram some market share!
I once heard it said..if you got 6 in a row you’re ready to tow…if you got 8 in a v your truck sits to pee lol. I’d love to see these hit the market
This gas engine would make me by a new Ram truck.
You put the gas version in a 2500 and you would convert my fleet from GM to Ram overnight. That 6.7 Cummins gasser with a ZF 8 speed IS A PERFECT recipe.
Nice to have the option to switch fuel at rebuild time. Especially with turbulent fuel prices. Swich again if things change up
Makes sense, but will it work in the current power wagon?
I have a ram 2500 6.4 and would welcome the 6.7 gas but is the $$ worth it? Yes if I end up with the dreaded lifter failure.
I think it would be a genius move and a very cost effective way to have multiple engine options for Ram. The manufacturing cost would be streamlined like crazy
The company I work for has been running thousands of cng otr trucks and package delivery vehicles for probably around 8 years. If you have any thoughts on owning one, you had better make darn sure you have a pumping station everywhere you plan to go. The range is very limited. They eat spark plugs like candy. They crack cylinder heads more frequently than they should. Power is not equal to diesel. I am glad that I still drive a diesel
I bet the power output for a pickup truck would be a lot higher then the medium duty trucks too!
I would most certainly buy one of these!
But what will it sound like with a inline zoomie and a 671 blower?
Ram should have an option to bolt on an Eaton Fuller manual transmission to the Cummins engine
No they shouldn’t
I'd jump all over that if a manual transmission is offered.
Why not
@@VHP7044 Why would they? It’s pointless. Useless. Never gonna happen
They have to cut power when the automatic shifts, then ease it back in.
The dealers would have a steady stream of rear ends to warranty with a manual.
The aftertreatment tech required to make diesels work is its Achilles' heel. Cummins is smart to push the CNG and gasoline options.
The marketing play for the B6.7 Octane is that it's so overbuilt it will basically last forever. The question is whether they can make it efficient enough to overcome its extra weight compared to the V8s in the Ford and Chevy. An interesting alternative would be a turbo 4-cylinder version of the B6.7 Octane; it could boast superior efficiency and not have the weight penalty of the 6-cylinder.
there is at least one ram with a 6.7 gas cummins, there is a video on youtube that is at a cummins event and there is a 2018 Ram with the engine as well as some 3 and 5ton trucks.
Does it chuff smoke like thier diesels, thats so cool!
Would it still be turbo ?
When I started working in the oil fields, I was surprised to find out that Cummins made a massive natural gas engine to power the gas compressors.
Only one question though, would the gas engine still have an exhaust brake?