The ancestors roar is literally a troll. It’s bound to cause massive sibling rivalries with one being the rightful heir being normal in power yet the younger sibling is op as shit. I’m kind of surprised Scar didn’t use it on Mufasa like immediately after getting it.
@@auraguardianemerald6667I thought you can use it on other lions, you just can’t use it for evil which is why Scar lost it. Like what if the king or queen of the pride lands is tyrannical like Scar was the lion guard especially the lion with the roar should be able to use the roar on the ruler because they disrupt the circle of life, it’s like the avatar because their duty is to the world they need to put aside personal morals and values for the sake of it.
@@auraguardianemerald6667I mean that's the Watsonion explanation, the Doyalist reason is that he is voiced by James Earl Jones, the definition of a commanding voice, and no roar no matter how severe and grand is matching the baritone buttery voice of Darth Vader himself
Simba being angry with Kion about his Lion Guard being made up of different animals makes no sense when you take into account Simba was basically raised by a MEERKAT and a WARTHOG.
I think it’s because it was more of a traditional thing and that Simba’ entire pride lands/kingdom depended on Kion’s choice and to look at it in Simba’s perspective they were all his friends so as a parent and a king the concern made sense but seeing them working together in action convinced him. I think they had Simba act that way was to show him more as an adult and a leader then the younger care free guy he was before, it’s major character development weather fans liked it or not it makes sense for him to mature as he was way younger in the movies.
I definitely feel like Mufasa nicknaming Scar was just an affectionate one-off joke thing meant to congratulate him that Scar took WAAAY too personally
Also on the Frozen comparison, I feel like if Scar was the older brother, they would have an Elsa/Anna dynamic going on. The smart, cold, depressed older sibling and the cheerful, enigmatic but bumbling younger one. I think about it a lot (Sarabi is Kristoff, Zazu is Olaf, etc etc)
Once again, Jock & Emo siblings. If they weren't siblings in a Disney film, they'd either be the most brutal enemies or that to a crash-course into a very gay romance.
Minor correction: Simba legit thought he started the stampede. THAT'S why he blames himself. He actually thinks he killed his dad. Scar actually plays into this - he encouraged Simba to work on his roar (making it seem like his loudest semi-roar spooked the herd) and afterwards asked him "what have you done?" This is extra evil because he didn't need to do this - he was planning to kill Simba anyway and just chose to be extra cruel for the sake of it. Of course, this only really works because he's a kid and never tells an adult about it so there's nobody around to ask the obvious question: If Simba's 'roar' spooked the wildebeasts, wouldn't they run AWAY from the sound?
No, actually. The roar was just a means to get Simba to not follow Scar, staying distracted in one spot where Scar knows he can be killed hy the stampede. Simba was not supposed to live and think he caused the scene, especially considering how far away the wildebeests were. Scar wanted him to die in the stampede, and when he realized that he lived, he then used this as an opportunity to guilt Simba into running away, still sending hyenas chasing after him with a direct order to kill him. Also the most glaringly obvious piece of evidence that absolves Simba is the fact he literally saw Scar throw Mufasa to his death. He might feel responsible for starting the stampede in the first place, but by no means was the plan to frame him for it. Scar took advantage of his plan going askew and improvised an immediate solution.
I watched the original Lion King so many times before realizing the reason Simba blames himself for his dad's death (besides Scar) is that he thinks his little roar, the one that scared that lizard, started the stampede. Simba roared, the rocks began juddering on the ground, and immediately a thousand wildebeest poured over the lip of the canyon.
its very hard to pick up as a child and those of us who grew up with the movie likely ever read into it, I never understood it fully until I was in my late teens too hahaha
I got that immediately, but I watched enough to where I could quote, sing, and act out the whole thing. Then I became a little “what-if-er” and making headcanons, and fanfiction… no, you can’t read any of it! It’s too cringe.
@heckyeahponyscans When I was a kid, I thought that Simba's roar was the cause of the stampede. I didn't realize that Shenzi, Banzai, & Ed started it. I thought that they just got them to keep going after they started stampeding. It wasn't until some point during my middle school years or my high school years that I realized that they started it.
It’s as if the writers saw Kiara in the second movie and just tossed her out the window to make a new character for the lion guard. She is the last character I expected to be the one to tell on a sibling
The thing about that is, I didn’t entirely get it either until I pondered about it a bit. She was taking her role of being the future queen more seriously so she started changing to try and make her father proud. Also her and Kion are siblings, tattling is typically part of the fair in that situation
Actually it makes a lot of sense to me because in the lion guard she’s more of a pre-teen/teen and in the movie she’s a cub and then an adult so we never actually see her as a pre-teen/teen and how she’s acts is very accurate as a teenage girl especially with a sister and a brother.
I know but they need to bring back kion im done with Disney making up stuff acting like it’s more important then the other stuff they made up that’s actually creative and made sense “yea mufasa had no nobility forget that talk he had with simba but kion he wasn’t in the second movie he was just a spin off not cannon” I hate the modern 2020s Disney crew and why didn’t they make mufasa realistic animated they could bring back 2d for lion guard but not mufasa?
As a kid I really liked this show and then in one of the ads for the series where they would talk about animal facts, one of them opened with “What sort of animals are the best parents?” before showing a clip of a crocodile- which I was excited by because crocodiles are incredible parents! They will literally risk death by dehydration to make sure their babies are safe! AND THEN THE AD HAD THE FUCKING GALL TO GO “no I don’t think so” and cut to some nice friendly looking prey animal that’s “actually” a good parent. In spite I never watched the show again.
@@AthenaPOfficial yeah I get trying to cut away stuff that’s not super appropriate for children* but cutting out animal facts because you want to present that animal as a villain isn’t just lame- it’s actively harmful to people’s perceptions of those animals! In general I think unless your willing to acknowledge that in this universe they’re doing a murder, you have to take a side on whether prey animals or predators can talk. Honestly now that I’m thinking about it, the circle of life could have been used to explain who can talk. If your animals that eat/are eaten by each other you can’t talk to each other. It’s obvious when hunting is happening outside of what is in the circle of life because both parties are sapient. It’s not perfect but it’s. Less weird than them all being sapient and just murdering each other on the regular. *even though I distinctly remember around the same time going to watch The Eagle Huntress in theaters which as a documentary about a type of hunting is appropriately bloody but was somehow given a G rating? Truly the rating system is wild.
I really love how The Lion Guard essentially asserts The Circle of Life as almost a religious practice, rather than just the natural order. Whenever anyone doesn't follow or respect the Circle of Life, which has extremely loose meanings within the boundaries of the show, they either send out the Spanish Inqu- The Lion Guard to handle it.
To be fair if we get technical we can assume that the circle of life is a sort of natural order, which may or may not be fueled by some kind of god/spirits. In the first movie mufasa clearly cares about and maintains the circle of life but is killed and usurped by scar who literally couldnt care less. This literally somehow caused a drought and killed all the prey in the pride lands. We dont know how exactly scar managed to suck that muvh but obviously its possible.
i fully believe the reason Kion is Simba's son, and not Kiara's is that they knew they wouldn't get away with Kovu, the crush of literally EVERYONE, being an incompetent manchild
For better or worse, Simba was raised by Timon and Pumbaa while also living with guilt. Not very kingly upbringing. Kovu was trained by basically military nut to be an assassin and then the king. The boy knows his stuff... and definitely needs therapy.
@@AntiFaGoatit would make more sense for Kaira to be doing all the kingly duties that simba was doing, cause she was the royal blood line heir. Or if they made It after the events of 2nd movie, Simba is still king, while he's training kovu to be king before he decides to step down. meaning kovu could be making mistakes but not a jerk.
@@AntiFaGoat Let's be honest, Simba may have been the rightful king who overthrew the usurper, and is marginally more respectful of his role, but he really doesn't have the training for it at all.
They really set up the scar and venom to symbolize trauma and ptsd, had it be treated with meds and therapy, made a point to say "this won't be magically healed, you have to live with it", and then they punched us with "yeah you're healed" in the last five minutes of the finale 💀
The scar and the poison from it are separate, the scar itself was what they were referring to when they said it won't heal. However, we always knew that the poison was going to be healed, that was quite literally the point of their trip
I think the scar itself was meant to be a metaphor for trauma. We saw that Rani also had a scar (more than likely connected to her parents' death) but she had grown up in an environment where she got the help she needed, compared to Kion and Scar. Kion thought that his scar would disappear once he was "healed" and then was devastated that it wouldn't, something most people misconstrue with trauma and healing.
Fun fact! Apparently Fuli is supposed to be a King Cheetah! King Cheetahs are cheetahs with an incredibly rare fur mutation that causes the cheetah's spots to fuse together, explaining why her "spots" look the way they do! I no doubt think they made her a king cheetah purely because of the name tho LOL
I still hate her designs, cause her spots end looking more like a leopards or Jaguars, and they forgot to add the tear marks that are on Cheetahs are icon image of their face. I really like cheetah so her design disappointed me
Something that always struck me as odd is Kiara’s character assassination. Like, in the Lion King 2, she’s this optimistic, playful, free-spirited Lion. But then in the Lion Guard she’s the stereotypical bossy older sister??
It could be a siblings thing? I know me and my sister act a bit differently around each other than we do around others. Plus I’m pretty sure the show takes place after the start of Lion King 2 where Kiara meets Kovu and has the whole “becoming queen” talk with her dad. Maybe this is a weird middle ground of sorts, between her not wanting to be queen as a little kid and accepting it as an adult? Like she’s trying to take the step to accept that responsibility? Not totally sure, but that’s my guess
I hated this show because of how dirty they did Simba. Making him pampered? He was the one lion that knew how to not be that, he had to actually had to earn his title after deciding he wanted it.
I actually feel more like the other characters perceive him as having privilege rather than him actually having it. A perfect example is in the episode where he leads the guard for a day. Bunga sings a whole song about how easy and privileged their time with him is going to be, but it isn’t. They still work just as hard as they would otherwise, and Simba is even willing to work the hardest.
I love that the orginal Lion King movie was a fairly realistic (despire the obvious lions) power struggle and succession conflict. And then this show was like, "Nah, fuck it. There's magic."
Fun fact: Simba is not voiced by the same person in the in any of these. In the first movie he is voiced by Matthew Broderick. In the second movie he is voiced by Cam Clarke, and in this show he was voiced by Rob Lowe. Cam Clarke actually wanted to voice Simba in the series but he said the reason Rob Lowe was chosen over him is because "He gets the press to care" Edit: Matthew Broderick actually voiced Simba in lion king 1 and 2, Cam Clarke provided his singing voice and voiced him in various other Disney projects. Thanks to the replies!
To be fair, in the Lion King 2, Kovu was only exiled from the Pridelands because Simba thought he had tricked him into getting ambushed. But...yeah, the song made it seem like they were comparing Kovu to Scar all because he just so happened to have an identical scar on his face. Actually, now that I think about it, Simba was comparing Kovu to Scar a lot just because he looked like him.
Honestly, I feel like that's only partial true. Because when Simba first met Kovu, Zira literally set Kovu up for failure the minute she said "He was hand chosen by Scar himself!" And considering Simba knows she's crazy and how his Uncle was, that is not a great sign when Kovu suddenly pops into the Pridelands and goes "Hey there! I'm here to join your Pride! Don't mind the fact that I was raised by my mother who has a deep fascination with Scar!! I'm not like that! Trust me, the man who grew up with Zira as a mother that Simba knows about!" Also, imagine just out of nowhere, a kid looking exactly like the man that murdered your father and took over the Pridelands! I would be judgy too with those 2 factors, that is sketchy!
why is simba yelling at the child his adoptive parents also adopted. imagine your way older brother yelling at you to respect him because he’s the king.
I never realized how much of a jerk Simba was in that show bruh, I was too busy wondering why we didn´t see him much or do anything you know helpful to the Pridelands like the king he is, also poor Bunga didn´t deserve to be roared at by basically his adopted eldest brother for not respecting him as the king? Speaking of Bunga, as a kid I couldn´t tell if he was a boy or girl based on the voice lol kinda similar to Poof from Fairly Odd Parents with the those big eyelashes making me think he was a girl even though they flat out said he was a boy in his debut special.
@@madnessarcade7447his jerkiness in the sequel though, it comes off as way more understandable. he’s wary of the outlanders because they were loyal to his murderous uncle, i think that’s a fairly good reason to banish them, if we’re playing by the rules of animal monarchy. he’s a jerk to kovu at first because he knows he’s been raised by zira and doesn’t trust his supposed change of heart, he starts coming around only to be stabbed in the back (even if it’s a misunderstanding). and his overprotective nature with kiara makes sense too - think about what happened with him when he was left alone as a kid. it’s his worst nightmare, to relive that from the other side - literally he has a nightmare about kovu pulling a scar on him. he’s also got a bit of jerkiness in the og, towards nala when she asks him to come home, and his fear of his mothers rejection and blame makes him lash out. tldr; his character flaw of being a jerk is rooted specifically in his childhood trauma. but what is the reason it is On Sight with this child. wa wa my dads replaced me ????? my dads replaced me and didn’t teach their new son respect for the monarchy ???
During Zira's death in Lion King 2, there was a storyboarded part where Zira says "No, never", and intentionally lets go. They got rid of that line for obvious reason, but you can still see Zira smiling as she falls. It seemed pretty fitting because of how crazy she was. I really liked that this show used Kion's scar to represent trauma and the development of mental illness. It struck a chord with me how they had him actually have to work towards his recovery and it wasn't easy or smooth. I'm glad to have a show that teaches people no matter the age that they can get back to a stable place and be happy again, even if it's in a different way. A side note of scars representing trauma, it's pretty horrible of Mufasa to do that to Scar but murder is just a little too strong a reaction Honey badgers are found in Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Indian subcontinent. It is the only living species in the genus Mellivora and in the mustelid subfamily Mellivorinae. Despite its name, the honey badger does not closely resemble other badger species. Instead, it bears more anatomical similarities to weasels. Like a skunk, it has a gland at the base of its tail that stores a stinky liquid just as powerful as that of its look-alike. They live mainly in dry areas but are also found in forests and grasslands. Honey badgers are good swimmers and can climb trees. With its long claws, the honey badger digs burrows up to 3 meters long and up to 1.5 meters deep.
yeah, I think I also felt it in that way, after all the Kion's journey, as you said: that the show taught it to the people: no matter the age that they can get back to a stable place and be happy again, even if it's in a different way. In my opinion: although we all have scars or terrible situations we have been through, that does not completely define us; since, the same thing: although the scar on Kion's eye would always remain, he having already been relieved, the effect of the poison had already disappeared from him.
I thought having her swipe at Kiara instead of taking her paw got the point across well enough. I understood even as a kid that she chose her hatred over her life
The way this show handled Scar's return was crazy to me, his connection to the roar and Kion blew me away when I first watched it! I forgot it was a Disney Junior show for second 😭😭😭😭
@@madnessarcade7447 I know right?! At first I thought it was going to ruin it because “where was Kion during the second movie” but they handled everything perfectly!! I’ll never get over how well the Lion King has handled sequels
If you’re willing to dip your toes into Disney properties with a larger lore-scape… might I suggest Jake and the Neverland Pirates? It was one of my childhood favorites, and I remember the lore implications being especially wonky
The thing about the venom, it doesn’t exactly influence your behaviour itself. What it does is cause the inflicted to suffer bouts of pain which can cause them to lose control as well as become more irritable, as we see with Kion it doesn’t effect his morality and decision making it just causes him pain which on top of all the stress he’s being put under causes his temper to flare and make rash decisions. He doesn’t mean it he’s just in pain and can’t handle it
Yeah, it was so annoying watching Bunga constantly bout on about Kion turning "evil" and how their friends acted like he was turning evil for not wanting to help literally everyone with their problems when he was 1. in constant pain, 2. his tuliza (basically his pain medication) stopped working, and 3. he was given a time limit to reach the Tree of Life which was running out. Kion was basically suffering from chronic pain, mental health issues, and super insensitive friends who were comparing him to his fascist, murdered grand-uncle all because he was putting his health and possible LIFE first for once.
@@lilchaos9212 Tbf, only Bunga was really calling him evil, and we all know what Bunga's like. Everyone else just kinda pointed out how out of character Kion is. And even with Bunga, he tried to say to Kion that he can't help it and that it's his scar. And frankly, idiot or not, insensitive or not, Kion kinda needed Bunga in that moment. Bunga was the only one bold enough to say to Kion's face 'dude, you're being horrible', and that was enough for Kion to snap out of it. Really, what makes Bunga a complete dolt is even after the musical number, he STILL goes on about Kion being evil XD Anyway, bottom line: only Bunga really acted like Kion was turning evil.
This is very true!!!!! There was SO MUCH to this series! (Might just have to cover this in my “everything I forgot in my lore videos” video I’m planning 👀)
Kion literally developing a mental illness and having to continue to take meds/mood stabilizers and actually GO TO THERAPY instead of him reaching the tree and just receiving a cure was So Fucking Good, and I did not expect it at all. It was so ridiculously actuate to real life struggles with mental health it threw me for a loop. The way his friends all knew what was going on but couldn't help but still feel frustrated with him, the way Kion was struggling with guilt over his actions even tho he knows he wasn't completely in control, and when his meds started being less effective? My god. Also one of the villains literally being addicted to his meds really showed off how people who dont need them can abuse prescription drugs and give them a bad name as well as make them harder to get for the people that actually need them. It was ingenious and that episode nocked me on my ass.
You should ABSOLUTELY do Tangled The Series! It's actually really good as a show and the lore is *insane*. The songs are incredible (two of the main cast are broadway actors) and the characters are all very developed. Would highly recommend :) edit: wow this got a lot of likes
I always considered this show to be Disney's way of doing MLP: Friendship is Magic "for boys" (or at least gender-neutral.) They're both shows rebooting licensed kid's properties into multi-season fantasy epics written by people who actually respect children's intelligence, and with unreasonably beautiful animation for TV to boot. I hope we get more of these shows as the kids who grew up on FIM and TLG enter the animation industry.
It did have a very similar effect yeah. The Lion Guard Fandom is like a smaller, more concentrated form of the MLP Fandom. This just means companies are getting better at creating the formula for Fandom Creation, which is scary.
I agree with your Fuli hot take. You can only watch a character react the same way over and over again with no depth for so long. In Season 3 she does get a lot more depth, when she sort of co-leads Kion and supports him, weather that is helping him out or telling him to chill.
I personally enjoyed Fuli, she added a nice bit of attitude to this group of goofballs and her competitive spirit was nice. Though yes her stepping up and being the only one who could tell Kion to take a chill-pill and let her take the reins for a bit was definitely a highlight
@@hyperdreamer9483 YEAH it's not to say I don't like her as a character, but over and over again with no depth made her come off as boring and not worth investing in, so the season 3 depth was nice.
I watched this show with my little brother and i still find it crazy how they don't acknowledge the snake dying in a pit of lava but put a content warning for a character dying of old age 🤡 (great video like always!)
Thank you so much!!! Yeah it really was WILD. Like I guess they thought it wouldn’t matter because he’s “the bad guy” but like….. it stemmed from people overlooking him and then even in death they overlooked him. Genuinely brutal lmao
It was definitely crazy when Ushari fell into the lava, dying, it caught me off guard, and I was surprised that before starting the chapter of Queen Janna's death, they warned previously that it could be a harsh scene
It literally makes no sense as to why Simba, of all people (er, lions), takes issue with a Lion Guard made up of a diverse array of animals. I mean, wasn't he raised by a meerkat and a warthog? What gives?? ((Edit: Shout-out to my boy Steve Blum for voicing Makucha, the "evil" leopard.))
I need to see you go into the PJ Mask lore, i think its batshit insane how they just go out every night, save the day, then go to school not sleep deprived
Oh god oh god oh god My favourite show once upon a time...I don't watch it anymore, found other things during a hiatus, and never picked it back up. But it's still running and probably still quite good. Huh, maybe I should start back up where I left off somewhere in the middle of S5
used to know a girl who worked on this show some 6-ish years ago and i vividly remember two things from her: - she was gradually going insane the longer the production for the christmas special went on. i vividly recall her crying and sobbing that they "had to make santa claus and christianity canon in the lion king universe" and everyone in the animation team was also losing their minds - there was a scene where they made Bunga dab and she would bring this up a lot
Here are my theories 1. I believe The show reason for why Kion’s guard is different animals is to show how a child watching can be friends with people of different backgrounds/cultures 2. My lore reason; there aren’t enough males. Which is why I believe Vitani was able to assemble a lion guard in the way Simba originally wanted.
I think that was the message of it but does the finale kinda ruin that message by going back to an all lion group? Or is it supposed to be ok bc all the lions are girls?
@@Angninjin22or it could be the fact that until Kion was born there _were no other males in the Pride apart from Simba._ To suddenly magic new cubs (and their fathers) out of the aether. Because the last time there was another cub in the Pride but no father in sight was Nala 😅😅😅
theres a deleted version of the scene at 4:11 that is even crazier, Zira just straight up kills herself by purposefully letting go instead of accepting help from Kiara which is honestly raw as fuck
Why do I remember her letting go being in the movie? This is seriously so weird, I haven’t seen any storyboards, just the actual movie…man what the hell
@@pumpkinkat33in the Final Cut of the movie, it cuts to zira just falling as though she just couldn’t hold on. The deleted scene makes it much more clear she willingly dies
@pumpkinkat33 Same. While I don't recall the like, I remember always reading her death as her letting go intentionally to avoid Kiara saving her rather than falling on accident.
@@rainpooper7088 the editing in the final version is also quite weird and janky (likely bc it was a last minute decision) so her death feels suspicious lol. There was also a deleted version of Nuka's death where he says "looks like I finally got your attention, didn't I?" But they cut it bc they were worried it would encourage kids to hurt themselves for attention.
HECK YEAH WE DID! I remember watching the Return of the Roar premier and being amazed when Mufasa appeared to Kion. Kion's roar gave me chills everything tbh. The war against Scar and the Tree of Life Saga was awesome too
Going against the cycle of life in this show is just whenever the predators do something our main characters personally don't like, even when they have every right to do what they're doing😆. How Janja and his clan didn't die of starvation is anyone's guess.
@@siddiqarizwan7718 hyenas can sometimes consider to be cannibalism of killing and eating their own kind. If Janja end up dieing of hunger where there's no food in the Outlands, he got the chose what he have choose. Janja will eat his own clan, either one of them are low rankers gets to kill for food. But, hey... Nature is scary and cruel.
so to explain this its basically whenever a prey animal ends up in the outlands it belongs to the hyenas, which this doesn't happen too often, why they sneak into the pride lands to steal prey, cause they are hungry, nothing more. At least this is how it should be. also later on he joins with Jasiri and her clan and becomes her mate, kinda.
Also yeah the ship discourse within the fandom was (and is) Wild (pun…acknowledged) They definitely were setting up Kion and Jasiri, everything within that number they have is so romantically coded it’s hilariously unsubtle. I would’ve liked that, would’ve been a fun plot point I also extremely don’t see Kion/Fuli. The whole Lion Guard is far too Sibling Energy for me Also did it feel like to anyone else they were implying something with Beshte and the dolphin..? I feel like Beshte was the most emotionally mature and would the most natural in a relationship so it’s honestly really sad his one prospect is confined to the sea while the others get carbon copies of themselves
They gave Bunga a "perfect match" who was weird and annoying and disappeared over the course of a few episodes. I guess even the writers realized what a mistake that was at some point lol.
I think that it would make sense that simba would be completely oblivious to both lion culture and being a good parent because he got chased off at a young age and then raised for at least a few years, he has to basically relearn everything against what Timon and pumba taught him (no responsibility, eat/sleep when you want, simply vibe) It checks more that he would be an incompetent king vs being responsible and level headed, he’s basically still a kid also
@@noorbohamad5796 Only very little. Most of his development went into his lifestyle with Timon and Pumbaa. Including some of the most crucial moments of childhood. Remember, it took Nala, Mufasa *and* Rafiki to even convince him to go back!
No, cause I also literally shipped the girl Hyena and Kion so hard. When I discovered they did not end up together I said, “It’s giving-racism. Between species.” 😂😂
I never liked the accusation that the show was racist for not pairing Kion and Jasiri together. It's one of the reasons I didn't ship them together, because if fans threw around the racism accusations like that then I didn't want so associate with them. She didn't even end up with Janja either, none of the ships became canon so it doesn't matter. Jasiri doesn't need to be paired with anyone, she's a character who can stand on her own.
As someone who walked in on my parents doing it when I was 7 I know my parents gave me “The talk” at a pretty young age.I feel like if Kion knew at that age he probably got the talk for a similar reason… Last I checked the pride rock doesn’t have any separate rooms for privacy..even if it wasn’t even his parents he probably saw other animals doing it because in nature most animals don’t care if others watch them are not. 😅
Kovu is supposed to be adopted. Not only by Scar, but Zira as well. If I remember correctly from my lion king hyperfixation, Nuka is the only one of Zira’s children who belongs to Scar. There’s a whole book lore outside the films. I haven’t read the books, but I have seen very in depth videos by people who did.
The movie I don't think ever clarifies. Nuka just mentions "Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in." Far as I am aware there is no further mentioning of Scar having official offspring in the movie. No mention of Nuka or Vitani family line either. I had assumed Zira was the actual mother of Nuka and Vitani but I don't think a father is ever specified.
I think in an old draft of the TLK 2, there was a whole plot about how at the end of the movie, a king arrives in the Pride Lands and tells them how Kovu is his son and how Zira stole him when he was a baby Tangled Style
I remember watching the pilot and being so weirded out by Kiara having a brother that was never mentioned in the movies. Why didn't they just have Kiara be the main character with no brother? Sure, they'd have to make her lose the roar by the end of the series, but I think that would be easier to write than a character who never existed until now.
Zira never existed in the first movie hut they forced her into scar and never mentioned or shown scar having a family. And even then, we never seen Kiara’s childhood so the idea that it made things difficult doesn’t make sense to me.
@@BabyGirlTiny Well it makes sense that we wouldn't know much about Scar's reign as king since we don't see that in the movie as we only follow Simba who wasn't there. It makes more sense that we wouldn't know of his biggest followers. But we see a bit of Kiara as a child in the second movie and there is never a mention that she has a brother. It really makes it seem like Simba and Kiara are neglectful of Kion retroactively. Plus, Kion is written to act similarly to Kiara from the movie already. They completely changed her personality to justify having this new character
@@theshire9173 Kion was after before the beginning of Simba's pride and left after the end of it. it's relatively easy in that sense to scoot him in as in one, he's not born so no one would mention him at the start, and during the movie's runtime Kion is on a journey.
Honestly, I feel like they should have just made this show take place after the second movie, and so the writers can go all out plus we could have gotten ghost scar interact with kovu
How could you ignore the great detail of Timon and Pumbaa literally addressing Simba and Bunga as their children in Bunga and the King? It was the highlight of the episode imo. Also Christmas in the Pridelands is a banger and I will no apologies for saying it
Christmas? Are their Christian animals? Is there a lion jesus? How did the concept of Christmas even reach the pridelands? There aren't any humans ffs.
yeah, it's a great and cute detail that I appreciate a lot, I love Timon and Pumbaa still care about Simba, it never stop to be touching how they address him and Bunga as their children (but at the same time they are also friends) and I never lose sight of that detail. And I also loved the Christmas special, I never imagined I needed to see it, there it especially moves me when Bunga, together with Simba and the other animals, wants to make that surprise, since Timon and Pumbaa gave everything to him and Simba when they were both alone and it's incredible that celebrating it, also celebrate the gift of the Circle of Life, I never forget it :)
Long time TLK fandom member here! I will admit that pretty much everything about I know about TLG I learned through osmosis, but you hit on a lot of common points on why the show is at the same time so bad and so great. The plots were often messy and contrived but the lore it dropped was something we had been starving for, and the new characters gave us so much new stuff to play with! You wouldn't BELIVE how much plot and angst you can wring from these scraps! Thanks for spotlighting something that is both so loved and hated by it's community :)
The issue that I have with people who keeps saying Kion messes with the second movie, is that the show takes place when they’re cubs until like the final season. We don’t see Kiara’s childhood in the second movie. We see her meeting Kovu and that’s legit it
Pretty much most of them growing up goes by in a montage, and then everything else that happens between then and TLK2 happens while Kion is away. And Kiara isn't even in many of the episodes so it's entirely possible that the Lion Guard was elsewhere during her encounter with Kovu.
I binged all of the lion guard after I saw my little brother (who is 100% their target demographic) watched it. He stopped, I did not. I wanted to watch it more then their target demographic. I was 16.
@@phantomology13 I think the biggest problem with teen/adult shows is that either something crazy always has to happen but the shows are very episodic, or they'll have big lore every episode leading up to the finale, except for some filler here and there and it's very jarring when that happens in between something like Supernatural (which I still love I think their fillers are some of my favorite when looking at them without worrying about the plot, they're so goofy. But when it's in between the world almost ending for the third time it's a little too goofy y'know.) That and because show writers look at as and go "they're older!" They also assume that mature jokes are just immediately a massive hit. I think Velma is a great example of a show that looks at the older demographic that way. Personally I like shows more like Sophia or Lion Guard (I think it follows this anyways, at least s2 it's been a min yknow) where there is stuff going on around the show that provides character development, but filler doesn't occur during like, a very lore heavy moment like the war. Idk, just a quick comment so not very well thought about.
After seeing the recon of Scar’s backstory, it bugged me that Kion and Mufasa never had a “Ya know grandpa you were a dick to your bro, and aaaaalll of this could have been avoided.” “I know.” Conversation. Let alone a Cloud Mufasa vs Fire Scar song/conversation duet....where the bros would have reconciled. Jedi force ghosts Vader and Ben style. Scar had to get forgiveness and understanding from his grand nephew, (allowing his spirit to pass on) which had no part in the source of his transcending death rage....except by being the child of his royal replacement. Props to the writers for showing that not every wrong gets apologied for.
A few things i want to mention: The episode "Friends till the End" was SO weird because of how much Bunga INSISTED that Kion was "too far gone" and that it was "already too late"... Like that's your best friend??? I don't buy Kion and Rani's romance at ALL because the entire time she kept referring to Kion as "the roar" and it really only seemed like she wanted to marry him to ensure the roar "stays in the Tree of Life" During Kion and Vitani's first confrontation as Lion Guard leaders, Vitani referes to Kion saying "I'll take care of the lion with the mark of evil" referring to his scar... Dude ummmm what about your brother Kovu??? No one mentions let alone questions that Nuka is missing...
@@madnessarcade7447 I actually seen it but at the time it felt like a very surface-level explanation and honestly I still don't buy their romance. Rani was an ASS to Kion for the majority of season three and it wasn't until she realized he could be useful for defending the kingdom did she decide to not just marry him but also let him stay in the first place thanks to the queen telling her "hey the roar used to belong to us we need to keep it here"
I loved this show when I was 8-9 years old and I binge-watched the whole thing. Now I'm realising how weird it is that the lions are allowed to hunt but no other animals are allowed to hunt. Like, what- Many years later, I'm still singing that song, "Dhabu, the rare golden zebra". Lol....
I think the idea behind "You don't want the roar? Okay. Here, have all the superpowers." Is that, by proving he's willing to give up the roar, he proves he doesn't want power and that he'll only use it for good.
I'm just shocked that this series understanding of the circle of life is as well thought out as the people who irradicated all major predatory animals from North America thinking that they would get a "Game Haven" and not "Oh shit these herbivores are reproducing so rapidly that the plant life can't keep up and now we live in a dust bowl" TBH it would've been the perfect series to insert a lesson as to why predators are important to the ecosystem!
They actually did that (almost) in "The Mbali Fields Migration", which was about halfway through season 1. The reason the Guard had to escort zebras and gazelles out of the Pridelands - during the wet season, mind you - was because they were running low on available grass in the best grazing locations. The episode literally opens with the two herd leaders fighting (no contact but still clearly lethal intent) over a patch of grass. Smash cut to Simba looking out over the Pride Lands that are - for this just this episode of course - almost entirely barren.
@@Parasolhyena Agreed; I never said it was a good episode, just that it happened. It was also one of their early attempts to make a thematically grand song that made made no sense in the context of the episode.
Idk why but this keeps making me think of the Madagascar spinoff All Hail King Julian and also the Wild Kratts (either of which would be GREAT lore videos btw, Mort alone has some wild stuff in the Julian show)
I watched this show out of PURE CURIOSITY. I was so out of the demographic I didn’t think I’d like it, but it sucked me in with its pure fucking Insanity, especially in the later seasons. 10/10
I will say, I was also very annoyed with “all members of this species are evil” stuff with like the Jackals. Also why are all the scavengers out in the outlands??? Who cleans up all the corpses if they ARENT ALLOWED IN????
I can tell that, I tell ya' what. Hyenas and vultures are really important scavengers that cleans up the environment to prevent from getting infected from deadly disease such as anthrax, ebola, and rabies.
@@cosmiccod6284Maybe other scavengers are allowed in, but just certain species like hyenas aren’t because they go overboard and kill absolutely everything? Idk, just me trying to come up with a sensible reason, I really don’t have evidence for this.
@@BermudaBee Idk man it just seems like they kick them all out. Hyenas? Vultures? Hell even shit like jackals scavenge. I could be wrong because it’s been awhile, but I legitimately don’t remember seeing a pure scavenger in the pride lands. At least not one that wasnt bacteria and some insects which is better than nothing I guess lol
I think it’s just weird that the scavengers are the ones shown “taking more than their share”, I feel like it should be the opposite. How is a vulture gonna take more than its share? They don’t even have a beak strong enough to hunt. Idk just like, WEIRD choice. To me tbh
I LOVED her voice so so much!!!! Like, I was a kid who didn't know about va and what not when I watched the show, but looking back, it's definitely her, and she's awesome!
FIVE. YEARS. Worth of setup. That whole scene where they leave the Pridelands is already a tear-jerker for me but the “I told you he knew my name!” joke was beyond incredible
simba's entire arc in the original movie is literally all about him maturing and learning to put the needs of the pridelands and its inhabitants above his own wants + desires. and yet they wrote him like this? like did they not watch the movie their show is based on or were they just too lazy to think of an another source of conflict. also simba was raised by a meerkat and a warthog + the lion guard magic clearly doesn't care what species the members are, so why would HE care if non-lions are part of it. like this entire show is simba and lowkey kiara slander... should've just made kion kiara's son fr.
I mean, he had little to no training to be king. And, was really the first movie about putting the needs of other over his? When he saw Mufasa he was told he was his son, and that's it. If anything, the first movie was about Simba having to take responsibility of a land for being son of the King, regardless of who Simba as a character at all. Even when he goes back to pridelands, he does while still thinking he killed his father. Mufass didn't even bother to clarify it wasn't his fault, just to accentuate how much who Simba is as a person doesn't matter, all that matters is that he is the son of Mufasa, and so he was born with a responsibility forced upon him.
@@gregorythestallion2984 yes, that's putting the needs of others above his own lmao??? nala tells him that all of the pridelands are suffering, he's like "well that's not my problem, i want to stay here where i don't have to worry about that", then a combination of his conscience + rafiki + mufasa's ghost impress on him his duty as rightful king, and he goes back??? insane how you think my "the movie is about him putting the needs of others above his own wants" and your "the movie is about him taking responsibility as the rightful king" are two contradictory statements and not basically the same
@wolf-gh2dz if Simba actually had the knowledge to be a good king I would agree, if Simba had a real reason to be the one solving the problem aside from being the son of the king I would agree, of the lionesses at least tried to solve the issue themselves I would agree. The main difference between the statements is that he was forced into those responsibilities, and not responsibilities he put on his own back nor responsibilities he needed to take care of because of his own actions. There is a difference between "I must help those in need" and "I fulfill the role other impose on me." Simba doesn't help the pride because it is the right thing to do, if that was the case, Rafiki and Mufasa would have made emphasis on that, but nope, Rafiki and Mufasa made emphasis Simba being the prince, saying that his identity has more weight in this conversation than the moral about helping.
I mean considering everything Simba went through with Hyenas it’s not really surprising how he doesn’t really like them. Though yeah the other species definitely don’t deserve it
@@hyperdreamer9483 and I will maintain that he had perfectly good reasons to hate the outsiders before they defected bc they literally worshipped his murderous uncle.
Lion Guard is one of my favorites shows and season 3 was definitely the best! The only thing I didn’t like was the finale where the lions were the new lion guard. It would have been way better if the new lion guard was made of the young animals the lion guard were protecting and would’ve played into the idea that the lion guard doesn’t have to be made up of lions.
I can respect a children’s show (especially one for Disney Jr) that has actual substance to it that doesn’t treat kids as brainless cash grabs because these shows are so so so important to their development
Something I like about the way they handle Kion leaving is that it does, to some extent, align with the behavior of actual lions. In the real world when a lion has a male cub if the lion hasn't died before the cub is mature the cub will leave that pride to go start/join another pride!
Finally someone talks about the show! In my opinion the TLG was underrated Also opinion Rani is a roar digger I’ve heard some people talk about this and I agree
I have child-like wonder towards this show and it's songs, I don't care how many plot holes there are, the fact it even has lore and effort put into it is what made me love it.
“always the royal family’s second born” according to the books Kiara was actually the second born, she had an older brother. She shouldve gotten the roar!!
The general fanon consensus is that Zira killed Kopa while Kiara was still very young, and that's why Zira was exiled. So even though she is the second born, she technically wasn't old enough to develop the roar before Kopa was murdered, and upon his murder automatically became the heir.
I mean considering they retconned A Tale of Two Brothers I don’t think it’s much to say they retconned that too, not to mention the canonicity of those books were shaky to begin with if I remember right
@@hyperdreamer9483they retcon a tale of two brothers by directly showing the audience of the show their version of how scar got his trademark, but they never have an explanation for nor even acknowledge the existence of kopa, it's safe to say that the kopa story is still the same. Unless they come out with a new season or smth that actually covers the existence and disappearance of simbas first son, there's no actual (lion guard) canon story for him.
So fun fact, there was a series of books released after the original film was done that continued the story with simba's first kid, kopa. The way they told the stories and set portrayed the characters honestly felt more believable than this show. Explaining why zazu serves mufasa, how scar got his scar, and building up kopa's character and personality. This show was fun, but so much didn't make sense to me that i don't consider it canon.
I only knew about the tale of two brothers because my wiki deep dive brought me there (talking about scars scar and whatnot) but I had no idea about kopa omg????
@AthenaPOfficial oh yeah. I had made a video about it years ago. When they made the sequel, they apparently never knew the books existed. So instead of Kopa being simba's kid, it was Kiara. A small retcon, but at least one that made sense. This show retconned a lot😅. Enjoyable series, but messy connection to the source material. Love the video by the way. You make great deep dives
@@StefonTV1I believe the books with Kopa was unofficial Disney books, so the books aren’t actual Disney products. the show didn’t actually retcon things anymore than the second ovoid retconned things.
I absolutely love your analysis of the craziness of the Lion Guard as someone who grew up with my siblings and cousins OBSESSED with it, also I need to know where that dress is from because it is slaying in 30 different languages
The weird thing about the show is that parts of it seem like they were written for a slightly older audience, and then other parts clearly aren't. I'm not sure if they originally wanted to make a general Lion King cartoon and had to settle for being relegated to a Disney Junior title or something.
This makes sense to me. With how inconsistent the writing seemed to be I'd definitely chock it up to being a ton of Executive Meddling. Teams with more creative freedom tend to have less plot holes in my experience.
i really wish it was on the same level of maturity as the movies tbh, so much stuff they could explore better, like the circle of life, which is a mess in the actual show
@@dakat5131 Oh yeah that's totally valid. And to be fair I haven't seen it myself so I'm not trying to judge it. Nothing is perfect anyway and I enjoy plenty of very obviously worse written content. I'm pretty easy to please with most shows but I totally agree--it sucks to know when we could have had better.
@@raposinhadoaj "The circle of life" somehow turned into a general name for their code, or even just an excuse to do whatever. The gravity of disrupting the ecosystem was weirdly not not present despite that being the whole reason to care about the circle of life (and the only way it could really be harmed as it's more of a general concept) Unless they came up with a whole new meaning behind the scenes that they just never bothered to tell the audience. lol.
38:51 To be fair, this was back when they were presumably young adults or teenagers. Mufasa seemed a lot more immature back then, a bit similar to how simba acted as a kid, which would explain where he got it from.
Agreed. Also, notice that the Clubhouse is their version of the TARDIS from Doctor Who because it had multiple rooms, has gadgets and gizmos, time machine, round things, objects that can help them (sonic screwdriver and K9 and Toodles), has a device that can power the house (Idris for TARDIS and Crystal Mickey for Clubhouse), and David Tennant.
The Roar basically turning Kion into the Avatar by the end of the show kinda took me out of it but once i got past how weird that was I still loved the show, and I really loved your retrospective on it! This was so much fun ❤ Also I agree the Christmas special was even more dumb and confusing than all the magic shit happening and i tend to skip it on rewatch 😂
Yes I would in fact like to see a Trolls lore video. The first Trolls movie when it came out, didn't interest me all that much, but oh boy did that change with the sequel. To preface, I adore speculative bio/evo projects, so to see different species of Trolls that have evolved in different environments, yet all fill the niche of sapient, human like (predators? Do Trolls eat meat?) had me hooked. Mermaid Trolls, Fairy Trolls, Centaur Trolls etc! Not to mention the question of their technology. The Pop Trolls had wooden instruments, but otherwise lived rather primitive, agrarian lives; meanwhile the Rock Trolls had FLYING WAR MACHINES and electric instruments! There's so much to discuss with the history and science of Trolls, one could probably dedicate videos for each different type.
@@MacGuy3135 oh god I babysat kids who would watch it while I was there- I haven’t thought about them in years but they’re definitely in high school now 🤯
The Lion guard series is too inaccurate and it doesn't have no meaningful about these shows. This is just a fictional shows about an heroic animals who protects the innocent animals from the danger's of evil animals who likes to murders other animals for fun. Like.... What?🤨 Since when these scary animals being a poachers, likes to kill everyone for sports? It doesn't make sense 😕 what did the hyenas, jackals, vultures, crocs, leopards, snakes and other animals do? There animals!!! i don't understand why Disney betraying these poor scary animals as villains as a role model. Man, Disney is evil, Nowadays is a woke. Give Janja and his hyena clan some food meat and leftovers, their very hungry. Plus hyenas are scavengers and good hunters in reality.
Yeah this show would have made way more sense if it was about Simba's grandchildren instead of his actual children. Even his portrayal of being kind of lazy and bitter could have been him getting old and forgetting what it meant to be King that way, having the young generation remind him of what's important.
@@edenanimates1465 Aviva programs creature power disks that are put into creature power suits, the Brothers then have to touch the animal to get the DNA then they can activate the suits. sorry if this is vague
Man I remember when the premiere movie dropped and I was like "Dang what a neat little series." and kind of lost track of it after that. I knew about Scar coming back but I did not know how absolutely wild this spun out. We love to see it.
There seems to be a theme in these Disney Junior shows where the protagonists defend the staus quo and don't make a positive difference, but anyone who tells them they suck is then seen as either a threat or a misinformed outsider.
Janja is the best character no contest. I havent watched it completely but i have seen enough clips to know what happened through the three season and i find it wild that they essentially made it to where anyone who was friends it Kion + the guard could eat (Especially when you compare Janja's group also starving while Jisiri was eating good) Kion parting the sea like Moses was by far the craziest thing in the show
To be honest, the problems with Simba's characterization started in Lion King 2. Mostly in the ACT first ask questions later category, although there were better reasons behind them back then.
Personally I think Lion Guard messed up overall. It didn't seem like a in between of what was happening after LK1 but before LK2. It has good moments but overall they missed the Mark. Sure Simba in LK2 was a bit rude but like you admitted it was for very VERY good reason not bcus he had a personality switch due to being "King". He's clearly still trying to grasp the weight and responsibility for being King as he was a Hippy for an extended part of his life but he still felt like LK1 Simba. Lion Guard Simba is someone trying to act like they're Simba and asking themselves "What Would Simba Do". I like that they gave the different species their own views and even language but I think they bit off more than they could chew especially with the rules and regulations of the Royal Family
in TLK2 it makes sense for Simba to be kind of overbearing and foolish - he didn't get taught how to lead or be a father, as his died. but The Lion Guard is SUCH a exaggeration of that and it's just annoying to watch
Also can we talk about how the Lion guard ACTUALLY introduce good hyenas. Like it's cool that not every hyena is a asshole henchmen and that they do respect the circle of life the only thing I do wish they did in the series is to have Jasiri pack move into the pride lands and live there. I'm just saying they respect it so why can't they live there? Also I like the minor development with Makuu the crocodile going from this asshole minor villain to an respected leader for the Crocs.
Tbf lions and hyenas really do have a burning, instinctive hatred of each other in real life lmao. Like "it's on sight" levels of hatred. So it does make sense why they bring out the worst in each other 💀
not too far into this yet but you're so right abt the movie characters being completely butchered and it makes me so sad because they do the vast majority of the original to the show characters extremely well... like kiara just didn't have that type of bratty teen personality in the second movie but her entire non-romance arc was how she despised the idea of becoming queen because it would hold her back but in tlg that's all she cares abt
the only movie character i think was done right was vitani her becoming the next leader of the lion guard felt like a natural progression i just wish they didn't soften up her personality and design as much as they did
You should do wild Kratts next, it’s made and based on the Kratt brothers and they have suits that can turn them into animals, there’s also team members and villains like Zack Varmatech (the best character in the series, no one can change my mind). It’s mostly about different animals and showing their powers and how cool animals are. It’s really fun and I love it.
@@hannamihaly2381Same! I used to watch Wild Kratts so much!! that show was part of my childhood and probably one of the reasons that I love animals as much as I do now
Mufasa showing up constantly for his grandson but almost never for his son is very grandparent-that-spoils lol
Lol
as the youngest granddaughter i actually related to that 😭
@@iwakeupandboomimaratSAAAMMMEE
Real 😂😂
Literally every time I remember TLG, I think about how Kion has Mufasa on speed dial but Simba's lucky to get a vague letter every once in a while XD
The ancestors roar is literally a troll. It’s bound to cause massive sibling rivalries with one being the rightful heir being normal in power yet the younger sibling is op as shit. I’m kind of surprised Scar didn’t use it on Mufasa like immediately after getting it.
@@auraguardianemerald6667I thought you can use it on other lions, you just can’t use it for evil which is why Scar lost it.
Like what if the king or queen of the pride lands is tyrannical like Scar was the lion guard especially the lion with the roar should be able to use the roar on the ruler because they disrupt the circle of life, it’s like the avatar because their duty is to the world they need to put aside personal morals and values for the sake of it.
@@auraguardianemerald6667I mean that's the Watsonion explanation, the Doyalist reason is that he is voiced by James Earl Jones, the definition of a commanding voice, and no roar no matter how severe and grand is matching the baritone buttery voice of Darth Vader himself
@@gototheend1139doyalist?
@@gototheend1139James Earl Jones voices Mufasa, not Scar.
@@WinterPains that's what I mean, what is a roar from Scar with divine power compared to JEJ Muffassa voice
Simba being angry with Kion about his Lion Guard being made up of different animals makes no sense when you take into account Simba was basically raised by a MEERKAT and a WARTHOG.
I think it’s because it was more of a traditional thing and that Simba’ entire pride lands/kingdom depended on Kion’s choice and to look at it in Simba’s perspective they were all his friends so as a parent and a king the concern made sense but seeing them working together in action convinced him. I think they had Simba act that way was to show him more as an adult and a leader then the younger care free guy he was before, it’s major character development weather fans liked it or not it makes sense for him to mature as he was way younger in the movies.
With what lions will lions make the guard with? Theres only Just his parents, sister and her two friends
@@Jacen2499seems like you’re agreeing with the 1 month old top comment here I think
@@Steph_710I agree with you, because unlike the Lion King 2, this didn’t stifle Simba’s growth as a character.
I definitely feel like Mufasa nicknaming Scar was just an affectionate one-off joke thing meant to congratulate him that Scar took WAAAY too personally
That CHECKS OUT!!!! OH MY GOD 😭
Also on the Frozen comparison, I feel like if Scar was the older brother, they would have an Elsa/Anna dynamic going on. The smart, cold, depressed older sibling and the cheerful, enigmatic but bumbling younger one. I think about it a lot
(Sarabi is Kristoff, Zazu is Olaf, etc etc)
Exactly
Scar’s pettiness very on brand
Once again, Jock & Emo siblings.
If they weren't siblings in a Disney film, they'd either be the most brutal enemies or that to a crash-course into a very gay romance.
It’s honestly a better name than what his original name was “Taka” which literally translates to trash in Swahili
JUSTICE FOR MY MAN USHARI. HE ONLY TURNED EVIL BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS ABUSING HIM.
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lol true
LETS GOOO USHARI SYMPATHY
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Minor correction:
Simba legit thought he started the stampede. THAT'S why he blames himself. He actually thinks he killed his dad. Scar actually plays into this - he encouraged Simba to work on his roar (making it seem like his loudest semi-roar spooked the herd) and afterwards asked him "what have you done?" This is extra evil because he didn't need to do this - he was planning to kill Simba anyway and just chose to be extra cruel for the sake of it.
Of course, this only really works because he's a kid and never tells an adult about it so there's nobody around to ask the obvious question: If Simba's 'roar' spooked the wildebeasts, wouldn't they run AWAY from the sound?
This made me feel stupid- (YOU SMART)
No, actually. The roar was just a means to get Simba to not follow Scar, staying distracted in one spot where Scar knows he can be killed hy the stampede. Simba was not supposed to live and think he caused the scene, especially considering how far away the wildebeests were.
Scar wanted him to die in the stampede, and when he realized that he lived, he then used this as an opportunity to guilt Simba into running away, still sending hyenas chasing after him with a direct order to kill him.
Also the most glaringly obvious piece of evidence that absolves Simba is the fact he literally saw Scar throw Mufasa to his death. He might feel responsible for starting the stampede in the first place, but by no means was the plan to frame him for it. Scar took advantage of his plan going askew and improvised an immediate solution.
Shoutout to Disney Junior for having shows like Sofia The First and Lion King have genuine lore and plot armor that 6 year olds could understand
It rivals anime by leaps and bounds
TLG idk about plot armor there’s more to it than that
The plot armor here is strong on them
*points Sofia and TLG*
@@scarletrevon522Okay, let's not go there
Let's appreciate the lore for what it is
Sofia the First was garbage but I was in high school, Mami Imao
I watched the original Lion King so many times before realizing the reason Simba blames himself for his dad's death (besides Scar) is that he thinks his little roar, the one that scared that lizard, started the stampede. Simba roared, the rocks began juddering on the ground, and immediately a thousand wildebeest poured over the lip of the canyon.
It took me so long to realize this bruh
its very hard to pick up as a child and those of us who grew up with the movie likely ever read into it, I never understood it fully until I was in my late teens too hahaha
I got that immediately, but I watched enough to where I could quote, sing, and act out the whole thing. Then I became a little “what-if-er” and making headcanons, and fanfiction… no, you can’t read any of it! It’s too cringe.
i thought it was because Mufasa went to save him from the stampede, but this makes sense too
@heckyeahponyscans
When I was a kid, I thought that Simba's roar was the cause of the stampede. I didn't realize that Shenzi, Banzai, & Ed started it. I thought that they just got them to keep going after they started stampeding. It wasn't until some point during my middle school years or my high school years that I realized that they started it.
It’s as if the writers saw Kiara in the second movie and just tossed her out the window to make a new character for the lion guard. She is the last character I expected to be the one to tell on a sibling
The thing about that is, I didn’t entirely get it either until I pondered about it a bit. She was taking her role of being the future queen more seriously so she started changing to try and make her father proud. Also her and Kion are siblings, tattling is typically part of the fair in that situation
Kids go through phases it’s normal also some of the same writers
Actually it makes a lot of sense to me because in the lion guard she’s more of a pre-teen/teen and in the movie she’s a cub and then an adult so we never actually see her as a pre-teen/teen and how she’s acts is very accurate as a teenage girl especially with a sister and a brother.
I know but they need to bring back kion im done with Disney making up stuff acting like it’s more important then the other stuff they made up that’s actually creative and made sense “yea mufasa had no nobility forget that talk he had with simba but kion he wasn’t in the second movie he was just a spin off not cannon” I hate the modern 2020s Disney crew and why didn’t they make mufasa realistic animated they could bring back 2d for lion guard but not mufasa?
As a kid I really liked this show and then in one of the ads for the series where they would talk about animal facts, one of them opened with “What sort of animals are the best parents?” before showing a clip of a crocodile- which I was excited by because crocodiles are incredible parents! They will literally risk death by dehydration to make sure their babies are safe! AND THEN THE AD HAD THE FUCKING GALL TO GO “no I don’t think so” and cut to some nice friendly looking prey animal that’s “actually” a good parent. In spite I never watched the show again.
Honestly that’s so valid!!!! What’s the point of presenting “facts” when they’re not facts at all and there’s a clear bias
It didn’t fit how they wrote the crocodile characters so they don’t acknowledge it
@@AthenaPOfficial yeah I get trying to cut away stuff that’s not super appropriate for children* but cutting out animal facts because you want to present that animal as a villain isn’t just lame- it’s actively harmful to people’s perceptions of those animals!
In general I think unless your willing to acknowledge that in this universe they’re doing a murder, you have to take a side on whether prey animals or predators can talk. Honestly now that I’m thinking about it, the circle of life could have been used to explain who can talk. If your animals that eat/are eaten by each other you can’t talk to each other. It’s obvious when hunting is happening outside of what is in the circle of life because both parties are sapient. It’s not perfect but it’s. Less weird than them all being sapient and just murdering each other on the regular.
*even though I distinctly remember around the same time going to watch The Eagle Huntress in theaters which as a documentary about a type of hunting is appropriately bloody but was somehow given a G rating? Truly the rating system is wild.
Do you hate the show?
THEY TOLD ME THAT HUMMINGBIRDS ARE FASTER THAN CHEETAHS
THE SHEER DISRESPECT
I really love how The Lion Guard essentially asserts The Circle of Life as almost a religious practice, rather than just the natural order. Whenever anyone doesn't follow or respect the Circle of Life, which has extremely loose meanings within the boundaries of the show, they either send out the Spanish Inqu- The Lion Guard to handle it.
No one expects Spanish Inquisition!!!
No one expects the lion guard
We know in reality we don't know anything when we die, death is our worst enemy
@@shadowclaw7210Put those Outlander animals in...THE COMFORTABLE CHAIR!
To be fair if we get technical we can assume that the circle of life is a sort of natural order, which may or may not be fueled by some kind of god/spirits.
In the first movie mufasa clearly cares about and maintains the circle of life but is killed and usurped by scar who literally couldnt care less. This literally somehow caused a drought and killed all the prey in the pride lands. We dont know how exactly scar managed to suck that muvh but obviously its possible.
i fully believe the reason Kion is Simba's son, and not Kiara's is that they knew they wouldn't get away with Kovu, the crush of literally EVERYONE, being an incompetent manchild
Kovu is like, the most fuckable animal
For better or worse, Simba was raised by Timon and Pumbaa while also living with guilt. Not very kingly upbringing. Kovu was trained by basically military nut to be an assassin and then the king. The boy knows his stuff... and definitely needs therapy.
@@AntiFaGoatit would make more sense for Kaira to be doing all the kingly duties that simba was doing, cause she was the royal blood line heir. Or if they made It after the events of 2nd movie, Simba is still king, while he's training kovu to be king before he decides to step down. meaning kovu could be making mistakes but not a jerk.
@@AntiFaGoat Let's be honest, Simba may have been the rightful king who overthrew the usurper, and is marginally more respectful of his role, but he really doesn't have the training for it at all.
@@SobiTheRobot
His mother could have guidend him for a while till she presumably died. There's also Rafiki and Zazu, he could get advice from.
They really set up the scar and venom to symbolize trauma and ptsd, had it be treated with meds and therapy, made a point to say "this won't be magically healed, you have to live with it", and then they punched us with "yeah you're healed" in the last five minutes of the finale 💀
The scar and the poison from it are separate, the scar itself was what they were referring to when they said it won't heal. However, we always knew that the poison was going to be healed, that was quite literally the point of their trip
I think the scar itself was meant to be a metaphor for trauma. We saw that Rani also had a scar (more than likely connected to her parents' death) but she had grown up in an environment where she got the help she needed, compared to Kion and Scar. Kion thought that his scar would disappear once he was "healed" and then was devastated that it wouldn't, something most people misconstrue with trauma and healing.
Why wouldn’t the venom get healed lol
Fun fact! Apparently Fuli is supposed to be a King Cheetah!
King Cheetahs are cheetahs with an incredibly rare fur mutation that causes the cheetah's spots to fuse together, explaining why her "spots" look the way they do!
I no doubt think they made her a king cheetah purely because of the name tho LOL
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She also has a heart shaped spot on her forehead!
It's also a lot easier to keep track of and draw when you have to do 2D animation. 😏
I still hate her designs, cause her spots end looking more like a leopards or Jaguars, and they forgot to add the tear marks that are on Cheetahs are icon image of their face. I really like cheetah so her design disappointed me
@@Rikkiroo1008 she's a king cheetah, they have mutated spots that's why she looks like that
Something that always struck me as odd is Kiara’s character assassination.
Like, in the Lion King 2, she’s this optimistic, playful, free-spirited Lion. But then in the Lion Guard she’s the stereotypical bossy older sister??
Older siblings in cartoons are either bossy, bullies, or "perfect" jealousy magnets. They CANNOT be anything else 💀
@@error-try-again-latermy nieces fit the trope PERFECTLY
I guess it was because a plot in the lion King 2 was Kiara becoming queen once Simba and Nala were gone, so she wanted to act more mature?
Kids go through phases it’s normal
It could be a siblings thing? I know me and my sister act a bit differently around each other than we do around others. Plus I’m pretty sure the show takes place after the start of Lion King 2 where Kiara meets Kovu and has the whole “becoming queen” talk with her dad. Maybe this is a weird middle ground of sorts, between her not wanting to be queen as a little kid and accepting it as an adult? Like she’s trying to take the step to accept that responsibility? Not totally sure, but that’s my guess
I agree that Mufasa not learning his lesson and making fun of Kion's scar would be really funny
Yes I agree.
Kion: YOU KNOW WHAT *ROARS*
Mufasa: AWWW SHIT
@@siddiqarizwan7718i wouldve lost it 💀
SAME-@@dtaqt
"Snow leopards eat red pandas."
Well, that would explain the choices of species for Shifu and Tai Lung, the father/son turned enemies.
oof.
Have you ever seen Netflix's "The Creature Cases" You know, the show by the same creators as "The Octonauts"???
That's what I thought of immediately too. It's a nice little detail
I hated this show because of how dirty they did Simba. Making him pampered? He was the one lion that knew how to not be that, he had to actually had to earn his title after deciding he wanted it.
I mean he was like that in tlk2
Not entirely tlk had a song about how he does duties
I actually feel more like the other characters perceive him as having privilege rather than him actually having it. A perfect example is in the episode where he leads the guard for a day. Bunga sings a whole song about how easy and privileged their time with him is going to be, but it isn’t. They still work just as hard as they would otherwise, and Simba is even willing to work the hardest.
@@madnessarcade7447bro wasn’t pampered in the second movie
@@LionStar844 U see simba in TLG needed to be a jerk so that he can develop by lion king 2 since the show is set before TLK2’s second half
I love that the orginal Lion King movie was a fairly realistic (despire the obvious lions) power struggle and succession conflict. And then this show was like, "Nah, fuck it. There's magic."
It kinda made the show work to me but not to you
i have a faint feeling you do not in fact 'love it'
I think people are misinterpreting my words here. This isn't a judgement on either version, I just think the change is interesting to note.
There was always magic though 😂 it was always mystical
~That's the circle of life~
Fun fact: Simba is not voiced by the same person in the in any of these. In the first movie he is voiced by Matthew Broderick. In the second movie he is voiced by Cam Clarke, and in this show he was voiced by Rob Lowe. Cam Clarke actually wanted to voice Simba in the series but he said the reason Rob Lowe was chosen over him is because "He gets the press to care"
Edit: Matthew Broderick actually voiced Simba in lion king 1 and 2, Cam Clarke provided his singing voice and voiced him in various other Disney projects. Thanks to the replies!
OH WOW THAT PISSES ME OOOOOOFF
@@AthenaPOfficial Yeah, celebrity casting be a harsh mistress
TIL Simba was Ferris Bueller, then Leonardo, then that creep who got memed on for wearing an NFL logo-branded hat to a football game.
@@metallicakixtotalass Essentially
Wait seriously?😅 that’s the reason?!😮
To be fair, in the Lion King 2, Kovu was only exiled from the Pridelands because Simba thought he had tricked him into getting ambushed. But...yeah, the song made it seem like they were comparing Kovu to Scar all because he just so happened to have an identical scar on his face. Actually, now that I think about it, Simba was comparing Kovu to Scar a lot just because he looked like him.
Isn’t that racist? Kicking someone out of somewhere just because of appearance?
@@ROWLETFAN31 I mean, technically yes and technically no. They're both lions, but in terms of fur colour and looks...yeah, it's probably racist 😬
Firestar and Brambleclaw moment
Honestly, I feel like that's only partial true. Because when Simba first met Kovu, Zira literally set Kovu up for failure the minute she said "He was hand chosen by Scar himself!" And considering Simba knows she's crazy and how his Uncle was, that is not a great sign when Kovu suddenly pops into the Pridelands and goes "Hey there! I'm here to join your Pride! Don't mind the fact that I was raised by my mother who has a deep fascination with Scar!! I'm not like that! Trust me, the man who grew up with Zira as a mother that Simba knows about!" Also, imagine just out of nowhere, a kid looking exactly like the man that murdered your father and took over the Pridelands! I would be judgy too with those 2 factors, that is sketchy!
This is why I hate Simba in the Lion King 2.
It actually makes a ton of sense that Mufasa would be there for his grandson more than his son could ever dream of. Very grandparent thing to do.
why is simba yelling at the child his adoptive parents also adopted. imagine your way older brother yelling at you to respect him because he’s the king.
I never realized how much of a jerk Simba was in that show bruh, I was too busy wondering why we didn´t see him much or do anything you know helpful to the Pridelands like the king he is, also poor Bunga didn´t deserve to be roared at by basically his adopted eldest brother for not respecting him as the king? Speaking of Bunga, as a kid I couldn´t tell if he was a boy or girl based on the voice lol kinda similar to Poof from Fairly Odd Parents with the those big eyelashes making me think he was a girl even though they flat out said he was a boy in his debut special.
@@Flowermationshe was like that in the second movie too he grew as a character
@@madnessarcade7447 I never watched the sequel cause I didn´t know it existed lol thanks though.
@@madnessarcade7447his jerkiness in the sequel though, it comes off as way more understandable. he’s wary of the outlanders because they were loyal to his murderous uncle, i think that’s a fairly good reason to banish them, if we’re playing by the rules of animal monarchy. he’s a jerk to kovu at first because he knows he’s been raised by zira and doesn’t trust his supposed change of heart, he starts coming around only to be stabbed in the back (even if it’s a misunderstanding). and his overprotective nature with kiara makes sense too - think about what happened with him when he was left alone as a kid. it’s his worst nightmare, to relive that from the other side - literally he has a nightmare about kovu pulling a scar on him. he’s also got a bit of jerkiness in the og, towards nala when she asks him to come home, and his fear of his mothers rejection and blame makes him lash out. tldr; his character flaw of being a jerk is rooted specifically in his childhood trauma.
but what is the reason it is On Sight with this child. wa wa my dads replaced me ????? my dads replaced me and didn’t teach their new son respect for the monarchy ???
@umbreonic766 “imagine your way older brother yelling at you to respect him because he’s the king”
Sounds about like my older brother heh
During Zira's death in Lion King 2, there was a storyboarded part where Zira says "No, never", and intentionally lets go. They got rid of that line for obvious reason, but you can still see Zira smiling as she falls. It seemed pretty fitting because of how crazy she was. I really liked that this show used Kion's scar to represent trauma and the development of mental illness. It struck a chord with me how they had him actually have to work towards his recovery and it wasn't easy or smooth. I'm glad to have a show that teaches people no matter the age that they can get back to a stable place and be happy again, even if it's in a different way. A side note of scars representing trauma, it's pretty horrible of Mufasa to do that to Scar but murder is just a little too strong a reaction
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So Bunga's fart powers make sense and isn't just a gross-out humor thing
@@charxthekoopaking5673 Yeah. They're not farts.
yeah, I think I also felt it in that way, after all the Kion's journey, as you said: that the show taught it to the people: no matter the age that they can get back to a stable place and be happy again, even if it's in a different way. In my opinion: although we all have scars or terrible situations we have been through, that does not completely define us; since, the same thing: although the scar on Kion's eye would always remain, he having already been relieved, the effect of the poison had already disappeared from him.
I thought having her swipe at Kiara instead of taking her paw got the point across well enough. I understood even as a kid that she chose her hatred over her life
The way this show handled Scar's return was crazy to me, his connection to the roar and Kion blew me away when I first watched it! I forgot it was a Disney Junior show for second 😭😭😭😭
It added so much context to the original duology
@@madnessarcade7447 I know right?! At first I thought it was going to ruin it because “where was Kion during the second movie” but they handled everything perfectly!! I’ll never get over how well the Lion King has handled sequels
Season 3 was sent to Disney XD so yeah
@@RodaMoonknightwait what-
@@RodaMoonknightwas it?
Guess shows how mature it got lol
If you’re willing to dip your toes into Disney properties with a larger lore-scape… might I suggest Jake and the Neverland Pirates? It was one of my childhood favorites, and I remember the lore implications being especially wonky
Omg I LOVED Jake and the Neverland Pirates when I was younger
I'm just being reminded of my childhood throughout these lore comment sections-
(Yes I agree she should-)
Oh, that NEEDS a vid
I remember once quite literally dreaming up an oc for that show that was Jake’s brother who mysteriously went missing. But no. Not happening.
The thing about the venom, it doesn’t exactly influence your behaviour itself. What it does is cause the inflicted to suffer bouts of pain which can cause them to lose control as well as become more irritable, as we see with Kion it doesn’t effect his morality and decision making it just causes him pain which on top of all the stress he’s being put under causes his temper to flare and make rash decisions. He doesn’t mean it he’s just in pain and can’t handle it
Yeah, it was so annoying watching Bunga constantly bout on about Kion turning "evil" and how their friends acted like he was turning evil for not wanting to help literally everyone with their problems when he was 1. in constant pain, 2. his tuliza (basically his pain medication) stopped working, and 3. he was given a time limit to reach the Tree of Life which was running out. Kion was basically suffering from chronic pain, mental health issues, and super insensitive friends who were comparing him to his fascist, murdered grand-uncle all because he was putting his health and possible LIFE first for once.
@@lilchaos9212 Tbf, only Bunga was really calling him evil, and we all know what Bunga's like. Everyone else just kinda pointed out how out of character Kion is. And even with Bunga, he tried to say to Kion that he can't help it and that it's his scar. And frankly, idiot or not, insensitive or not, Kion kinda needed Bunga in that moment. Bunga was the only one bold enough to say to Kion's face 'dude, you're being horrible', and that was enough for Kion to snap out of it. Really, what makes Bunga a complete dolt is even after the musical number, he STILL goes on about Kion being evil XD
Anyway, bottom line: only Bunga really acted like Kion was turning evil.
What’s with Athena spiraling out of control with spin offs? It’s absolutely hilarious
If she hears about Jessie, she is gonna hate Bunk’d.
@@officialdagnetworkbunk’d is tied to Jessie?? oh god
@@officialdagnetworkbunkd is a very wholesome camp show yall are just negative
@@hayleyhellbound9513bunkd is a cute show yall are just negative
Midquel*
I wish Ushari’s reptile supremacist ideology got a mention 😭 he didn’t just want revenge, he wanted reptiles to run mammals out of the Pride Lands
This is very true!!!!! There was SO MUCH to this series! (Might just have to cover this in my “everything I forgot in my lore videos” video I’m planning 👀)
@@AthenaPOfficial heck yeah girl go for it >:) i’ll BE THERE
Did not expect racial cleansing in my disney jr show
I wish Athena mentioned how tulisa is basically a drug
If I had a nickel for every race supremist in this show I'd have at least two nickels. What the hell.
Kion literally developing a mental illness and having to continue to take meds/mood stabilizers and actually GO TO THERAPY instead of him reaching the tree and just receiving a cure was So Fucking Good, and I did not expect it at all.
It was so ridiculously actuate to real life struggles with mental health it threw me for a loop. The way his friends all knew what was going on but couldn't help but still feel frustrated with him, the way Kion was struggling with guilt over his actions even tho he knows he wasn't completely in control, and when his meds started being less effective? My god.
Also one of the villains literally being addicted to his meds really showed off how people who dont need them can abuse prescription drugs and give them a bad name as well as make them harder to get for the people that actually need them. It was ingenious and that episode nocked me on my ass.
You should ABSOLUTELY do Tangled The Series! It's actually really good as a show and the lore is *insane*. The songs are incredible (two of the main cast are broadway actors) and the characters are all very developed. Would highly recommend :)
edit: wow this got a lot of likes
I’m surprised they haven’t done TTS lore yet
Seconded 😊
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
I NEED THAT IN MY LIFE!!!!
YES FRICKIN PLEASE
I would love this!
I always considered this show to be Disney's way of doing MLP: Friendship is Magic "for boys" (or at least gender-neutral.) They're both shows rebooting licensed kid's properties into multi-season fantasy epics written by people who actually respect children's intelligence, and with unreasonably beautiful animation for TV to boot. I hope we get more of these shows as the kids who grew up on FIM and TLG enter the animation industry.
It did have a very similar effect yeah. The Lion Guard Fandom is like a smaller, more concentrated form of the MLP Fandom.
This just means companies are getting better at creating the formula for Fandom Creation, which is scary.
Also the main characters have special marks that appear when they do something special.
Like, y'know, Cutie Marks.
Even the rise of Scar is giving MLP season 9
So fun fact about the latin spanish dub of the show: Jasiri and Pinkie Pie have the same voice actress, Meli G. But for me, FIM is better
I agree with your Fuli hot take. You can only watch a character react the same way over and over again with no depth for so long. In Season 3 she does get a lot more depth, when she sort of co-leads Kion and supports him, weather that is helping him out or telling him to chill.
I personally enjoyed Fuli, she added a nice bit of attitude to this group of goofballs and her competitive spirit was nice. Though yes her stepping up and being the only one who could tell Kion to take a chill-pill and let her take the reins for a bit was definitely a highlight
@@hyperdreamer9483 YEAH it's not to say I don't like her as a character, but over and over again with no depth made her come off as boring and not worth investing in, so the season 3 depth was nice.
@@icreatethingzzI understand. Personally, I don’t think Fuli is as good as Kion and Ono, but she’s close.
I watched this show with my little brother and i still find it crazy how they don't acknowledge the snake dying in a pit of lava but put a content warning for a character dying of old age 🤡 (great video like always!)
Thank you so much!!! Yeah it really was WILD. Like I guess they thought it wouldn’t matter because he’s “the bad guy” but like….. it stemmed from people overlooking him and then even in death they overlooked him. Genuinely brutal lmao
@@AthenaPOfficial oh my god that makes it worse 😭
@@AthenaPOfficial I would Think The Sex Joke in the First Episode would Warrent a Content Warning, But Nope!
@@AthenaPOfficialI would love to see a I just can't wait to be king scene commentary because zazu in the clip
It was definitely crazy when Ushari fell into the lava, dying, it caught me off guard, and I was surprised that before starting the chapter of Queen Janna's death, they warned previously that it could be a harsh scene
It literally makes no sense as to
why Simba, of all people (er, lions), takes issue with a Lion Guard made up of a diverse array of animals.
I mean, wasn't he raised by a meerkat and a warthog? What gives??
((Edit: Shout-out to my boy Steve Blum for voicing Makucha, the "evil" leopard.))
iirc he literally calls them dad/pops in lion king 1 1/2 lmao
Of course, diverse is the right word, because freaking Fisney.
@@JeremiahWdabullfrogAre you seriously whining about "woke crap" in a show with an all animal cast?
@@JeremiahWdabullfrog "noooo you cant say the word diverse nooooo woke"
@@marynoble2258 You've got a point. They have all showed their true "fursonas".
Kion becoming the Avatar was not what I expected
Fun fact: Kion wasn't Simba's first son, before the sequel movies, he had a son named Kopa in one of the books. He was retconned into Kiara
ahmahgah kiara is trans
lol
Kopa isn't canon
im deciding its canon that kiara is a trans lion
@@iwakeupandboomimaratyou are so real for that
@@iwakeupandboomimarat 👏
I need to see you go into the PJ Mask lore, i think its batshit insane how they just go out every night, save the day, then go to school not sleep deprived
Right?! The PJ Mask lore is insane!
Exactly!
oh my god y e s
I neeeeeed this !!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Oh god oh god oh god
My favourite show once upon a time...I don't watch it anymore, found other things during a hiatus, and never picked it back up. But it's still running and probably still quite good. Huh, maybe I should start back up where I left off somewhere in the middle of S5
used to know a girl who worked on this show some 6-ish years ago and i vividly remember two things from her:
- she was gradually going insane the longer the production for the christmas special went on. i vividly recall her crying and sobbing that they "had to make santa claus and christianity canon in the lion king universe" and everyone in the animation team was also losing their minds
- there was a scene where they made Bunga dab and she would bring this up a lot
Here are my theories
1. I believe The show reason for why Kion’s guard is different animals is to show how a child watching can be friends with people of different backgrounds/cultures 2. My lore reason; there aren’t enough males. Which is why I believe Vitani was able to assemble a lion guard in the way Simba originally wanted.
I think that was the message of it but does the finale kinda ruin that message by going back to an all lion group? Or is it supposed to be ok bc all the lions are girls?
I thought he did that because he felt more comfortable around his friends than with other lions that he didn't even meet on his life or he is biased
@@amberwingtundrawing776 i guess it's ok since they're all ex-Zira's pride members, so it shows that Simba really trusts and respects them now
@@Angninjin22or it could be the fact that until Kion was born there _were no other males in the Pride apart from Simba._ To suddenly magic new cubs (and their fathers) out of the aether. Because the last time there was another cub in the Pride but no father in sight was Nala 😅😅😅
@@LadyLeomon EXCEPT they did magic new cubs out of the aether: Tiifu and Zuri, Kiara's two mean-girl friends who constantly show up during season 1.
theres a deleted version of the scene at 4:11 that is even crazier, Zira just straight up kills herself by purposefully letting go instead of accepting help from Kiara which is honestly raw as fuck
Why do I remember her letting go being in the movie? This is seriously so weird, I haven’t seen any storyboards, just the actual movie…man what the hell
@@pumpkinkat33in the Final Cut of the movie, it cuts to zira just falling as though she just couldn’t hold on. The deleted scene makes it much more clear she willingly dies
Still creepy because they didn't change her face. So as a kid I was confused because she's smiling as she's falling
@pumpkinkat33
Same. While I don't recall the like, I remember always reading her death as her letting go intentionally to avoid Kiara saving her rather than falling on accident.
@@rainpooper7088 the editing in the final version is also quite weird and janky (likely bc it was a last minute decision) so her death feels suspicious lol.
There was also a deleted version of Nuka's death where he says "looks like I finally got your attention, didn't I?" But they cut it bc they were worried it would encourage kids to hurt themselves for attention.
“Why is Rafiki mentioning Christmas???” Because the tiny Disney Junior kids we were ATE UP THIS STUFF we LOVED THE SPECIAL EVENT EPISODES
HECK YEAH WE DID! I remember watching the Return of the Roar premier and being amazed when Mufasa appeared to Kion. Kion's roar gave me chills everything tbh. The war against Scar and the Tree of Life Saga was awesome too
Going against the cycle of life in this show is just whenever the predators do something our main characters personally don't like, even when they have every right to do what they're doing😆. How Janja and his clan didn't die of starvation is anyone's guess.
Janja needs food to survive. I feel bad for Janja for not getting any food.
Mmm yeah 😅
There are is a tiny amount of hyenas… cannibalism.
@@siddiqarizwan7718 hyenas can sometimes consider to be cannibalism of killing and eating their own kind. If Janja end up dieing of hunger where there's no food in the Outlands, he got the chose what he have choose. Janja will eat his own clan, either one of them are low rankers gets to kill for food. But, hey... Nature is scary and cruel.
so to explain this its basically whenever a prey animal ends up in the outlands it belongs to the hyenas, which this doesn't happen too often, why they sneak into the pride lands to steal prey, cause they are hungry, nothing more. At least this is how it should be.
also later on he joins with Jasiri and her clan and becomes her mate, kinda.
Also yeah the ship discourse within the fandom was (and is) Wild (pun…acknowledged)
They definitely were setting up Kion and Jasiri, everything within that number they have is so romantically coded it’s hilariously unsubtle. I would’ve liked that, would’ve been a fun plot point
I also extremely don’t see Kion/Fuli. The whole Lion Guard is far too Sibling Energy for me
Also did it feel like to anyone else they were implying something with Beshte and the dolphin..? I feel like Beshte was the most emotionally mature and would the most natural in a relationship so it’s honestly really sad his one prospect is confined to the sea while the others get carbon copies of themselves
They gave Bunga a "perfect match" who was weird and annoying and disappeared over the course of a few episodes. I guess even the writers realized what a mistake that was at some point lol.
Fuli is lesbian, change my mind
@@dakat5131 i hate Binga so much, she's just Bunga again but girl (as if one wasn't enough)
@@nicorozner7417 You beat me too it.
@@raposinhadoajWHY DO I SEE THEM AS SIBLINGS I MEAN THEY LOOK ALIKE 😭
I think that it would make sense that simba would be completely oblivious to both lion culture and being a good parent because he got chased off at a young age and then raised for at least a few years, he has to basically relearn everything against what Timon and pumba taught him (no responsibility, eat/sleep when you want, simply vibe)
It checks more that he would be an incompetent king vs being responsible and level headed, he’s basically still a kid also
He did get to some time as a cub around in lion culture
@@noorbohamad5796 Only very little. Most of his development went into his lifestyle with Timon and Pumbaa. Including some of the most crucial moments of childhood. Remember, it took Nala, Mufasa *and* Rafiki to even convince him to go back!
No, cause I also literally shipped the girl Hyena and Kion so hard. When I discovered they did not end up together I said, “It’s giving-racism. Between species.” 😂😂
Given Hyenas are matriarchal and Lions (in the Lion King, at least) are patriarchal, it would have been a very interesting dynamic to see.
Don't worry, I'm sure it's some autistic furry's special interest and he draws that ship exclusively.
@@Soulraven2735 power couple
Actually um She’s older than Kion so it wouldn’t work ANYWAY 😅
I never liked the accusation that the show was racist for not pairing Kion and Jasiri together. It's one of the reasons I didn't ship them together, because if fans threw around the racism accusations like that then I didn't want so associate with them. She didn't even end up with Janja either, none of the ships became canon so it doesn't matter. Jasiri doesn't need to be paired with anyone, she's a character who can stand on her own.
As someone who walked in on my parents doing it when I was 7 I know my parents gave me “The talk” at a pretty young age.I feel like if Kion knew at that age he probably got the talk for a similar reason… Last I checked the pride rock doesn’t have any separate rooms for privacy..even if it wasn’t even his parents he probably saw other animals doing it because in nature most animals don’t care if others watch them are not. 😅
This is officially the canon explanation
@@theshire9173 lol, I would feel sorry for him. I was scarred for life because of it, and I’m I’m pretty sure he would be too.😅
Also lions mature at 2-3 and kion seems to be about 1-1.5
Wow! I was not expecting to get that many like, at last not that quickly. 😅
I did not need to know that but FAIR POINT
Kovu is supposed to be adopted. Not only by Scar, but Zira as well. If I remember correctly from my lion king hyperfixation, Nuka is the only one of Zira’s children who belongs to Scar.
There’s a whole book lore outside the films. I haven’t read the books, but I have seen very in depth videos by people who did.
The movie I don't think ever clarifies. Nuka just mentions "Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in." Far as I am aware there is no further mentioning of Scar having official offspring in the movie. No mention of Nuka or Vitani family line either. I had assumed Zira was the actual mother of Nuka and Vitani but I don't think a father is ever specified.
I think in an old draft of the TLK 2, there was a whole plot about how at the end of the movie, a king arrives in the Pride Lands and tells them how Kovu is his son and how Zira stole him when he was a baby Tangled Style
I remember watching the pilot and being so weirded out by Kiara having a brother that was never mentioned in the movies. Why didn't they just have Kiara be the main character with no brother? Sure, they'd have to make her lose the roar by the end of the series, but I think that would be easier to write than a character who never existed until now.
Zira never existed in the first movie hut they forced her into scar and never mentioned or shown scar having a family.
And even then, we never seen Kiara’s childhood so the idea that it made things difficult doesn’t make sense to me.
@@BabyGirlTiny Well it makes sense that we wouldn't know much about Scar's reign as king since we don't see that in the movie as we only follow Simba who wasn't there. It makes more sense that we wouldn't know of his biggest followers. But we see a bit of Kiara as a child in the second movie and there is never a mention that she has a brother. It really makes it seem like Simba and Kiara are neglectful of Kion retroactively. Plus, Kion is written to act similarly to Kiara from the movie already. They completely changed her personality to justify having this new character
@@theshire9173 Kion was after before the beginning of Simba's pride and left after the end of it. it's relatively easy in that sense to scoot him in as in one, he's not born so no one would mention him at the start, and during the movie's runtime Kion is on a journey.
Honestly, I feel like they should have just made this show take place after the second movie, and so the writers can go all out plus we could have gotten ghost scar interact with kovu
@@noctisastrum7495Random thought but imagine Kovu being the guy with the roar instead of Kion. Pretty unlikely but whatever
How could you ignore the great detail of Timon and Pumbaa literally addressing Simba and Bunga as their children in Bunga and the King? It was the highlight of the episode imo. Also Christmas in the Pridelands is a banger and I will no apologies for saying it
It’s sweet but it’s a bit weird that Bunga is basically Kion’s uncle 😅and stuff but eh🤷♀️
Christmas? Are their Christian animals? Is there a lion jesus? How did the concept of Christmas even reach the pridelands? There aren't any humans ffs.
iirc simba calls them dad/pops in lion king 1 1/2 so that checks out
yeah, it's a great and cute detail that I appreciate a lot, I love Timon and Pumbaa still care about Simba, it never stop to be touching how they address him and Bunga as their children (but at the same time they are also friends) and I never lose sight of that detail. And I also loved the Christmas special, I never imagined I needed to see it, there it especially moves me when Bunga, together with Simba and the other animals, wants to make that surprise, since Timon and Pumbaa gave everything to him and Simba when they were both alone and it's incredible that celebrating it, also celebrate the gift of the Circle of Life, I never forget it :)
Facts it is a banger
Long time TLK fandom member here! I will admit that pretty much everything about I know about TLG I learned through osmosis, but you hit on a lot of common points on why the show is at the same time so bad and so great. The plots were often messy and contrived but the lore it dropped was something we had been starving for, and the new characters gave us so much new stuff to play with! You wouldn't BELIVE how much plot and angst you can wring from these scraps! Thanks for spotlighting something that is both so loved and hated by it's community :)
Lord knows the fandom used these characters way better than Disney handled them tbh
The issue that I have with people who keeps saying Kion messes with the second movie, is that the show takes place when they’re cubs until like the final season. We don’t see Kiara’s childhood in the second movie. We see her meeting Kovu and that’s legit it
Pretty much most of them growing up goes by in a montage, and then everything else that happens between then and TLK2 happens while Kion is away.
And Kiara isn't even in many of the episodes so it's entirely possible that the Lion Guard was elsewhere during her encounter with Kovu.
@@dakat5131I just don't think Kion is that interesting a character
@@ForrestFox626
are you saying that you just don’t like his personality?
Exactly
@@ForrestFox626ur wrong but ok
I binged all of the lion guard after I saw my little brother (who is 100% their target demographic) watched it. He stopped, I did not. I wanted to watch it more then their target demographic. I was 16.
shows for preschoolers slap way harder than shows for young adults/teens ngl
Same-
@@phantomology13 I think the biggest problem with teen/adult shows is that either something crazy always has to happen but the shows are very episodic, or they'll have big lore every episode leading up to the finale, except for some filler here and there and it's very jarring when that happens in between something like Supernatural (which I still love I think their fillers are some of my favorite when looking at them without worrying about the plot, they're so goofy. But when it's in between the world almost ending for the third time it's a little too goofy y'know.)
That and because show writers look at as and go "they're older!" They also assume that mature jokes are just immediately a massive hit. I think Velma is a great example of a show that looks at the older demographic that way.
Personally I like shows more like Sophia or Lion Guard (I think it follows this anyways, at least s2 it's been a min yknow) where there is stuff going on around the show that provides character development, but filler doesn't occur during like, a very lore heavy moment like the war. Idk, just a quick comment so not very well thought about.
@@tulioco.5711convince him to finish it
After seeing the recon of Scar’s backstory, it bugged me that Kion and Mufasa never had a “Ya know grandpa you were a dick to your bro, and aaaaalll of this could have been avoided.” “I know.” Conversation. Let alone a Cloud Mufasa vs Fire Scar song/conversation duet....where the bros would have reconciled. Jedi force ghosts Vader and Ben style. Scar had to get forgiveness and understanding from his grand nephew, (allowing his spirit to pass on) which had no part in the source of his transcending death rage....except by being the child of his royal replacement. Props to the writers for showing that not every wrong gets apologied for.
A few things i want to mention:
The episode "Friends till the End" was SO weird because of how much Bunga INSISTED that Kion was "too far gone" and that it was "already too late"... Like that's your best friend???
I don't buy Kion and Rani's romance at ALL because the entire time she kept referring to Kion as "the roar" and it really only seemed like she wanted to marry him to ensure the roar "stays in the Tree of Life"
During Kion and Vitani's first confrontation as Lion Guard leaders, Vitani referes to Kion saying "I'll take care of the lion with the mark of evil" referring to his scar... Dude ummmm what about your brother Kovu???
No one mentions let alone questions that Nuka is missing...
Issac Carlson makes a good video about their romance u should check it out
@@madnessarcade7447 I actually seen it but at the time it felt like a very surface-level explanation and honestly I still don't buy their romance. Rani was an ASS to Kion for the majority of season three and it wasn't until she realized he could be useful for defending the kingdom did she decide to not just marry him but also let him stay in the first place thanks to the queen telling her "hey the roar used to belong to us we need to keep it here"
@@purplepitbullpuppy5669enemies to lovers she grows as a character it’s more than that
Her grandma’s death changed her
I think they’re cute
Nukka dies in lion king 2
@@chideraomeh ik but it's sorta weird they wouldn't explain that in TLG
As someone who grew up with the show, I can confirm this show is even more than bonkers.
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Dear God…🤯🤯🤯🤯
Same…
I loved this show when I was 8-9 years old and I binge-watched the whole thing. Now I'm realising how weird it is that the lions are allowed to hunt but no other animals are allowed to hunt. Like, what-
Many years later, I'm still singing that song, "Dhabu, the rare golden zebra". Lol....
I think the idea behind "You don't want the roar? Okay. Here, have all the superpowers." Is that, by proving he's willing to give up the roar, he proves he doesn't want power and that he'll only use it for good.
This
I'm just shocked that this series understanding of the circle of life is as well thought out as the people who irradicated all major predatory animals from North America thinking that they would get a "Game Haven" and not "Oh shit these herbivores are reproducing so rapidly that the plant life can't keep up and now we live in a dust bowl"
TBH it would've been the perfect series to insert a lesson as to why predators are important to the ecosystem!
They actually did that (almost) in "The Mbali Fields Migration", which was about halfway through season 1. The reason the Guard had to escort zebras and gazelles out of the Pridelands - during the wet season, mind you - was because they were running low on available grass in the best grazing locations. The episode literally opens with the two herd leaders fighting (no contact but still clearly lethal intent) over a patch of grass. Smash cut to Simba looking out over the Pride Lands that are - for this just this episode of course - almost entirely barren.
@@poppyraima5342Bad episode, they come so close to that lesson and then go... oh no baby animal will be eaten, no hunting no no no.
@@Parasolhyena Agreed; I never said it was a good episode, just that it happened. It was also one of their early attempts to make a thematically grand song that made made no sense in the context of the episode.
That would've been hilarious for the series finale.
Idk why but this keeps making me think of the Madagascar spinoff All Hail King Julian and also the Wild Kratts (either of which would be GREAT lore videos btw, Mort alone has some wild stuff in the Julian show)
I watched this show out of PURE CURIOSITY. I was so out of the demographic I didn’t think I’d like it, but it sucked me in with its pure fucking Insanity, especially in the later seasons. 10/10
I will say, I was also very annoyed with “all members of this species are evil” stuff with like the Jackals. Also why are all the scavengers out in the outlands??? Who cleans up all the corpses if they ARENT ALLOWED IN????
I can tell that, I tell ya' what. Hyenas and vultures are really important scavengers that cleans up the environment to prevent from getting infected from deadly disease such as anthrax, ebola, and rabies.
@@cosmiccod6284Maybe other scavengers are allowed in, but just certain species like hyenas aren’t because they go overboard and kill absolutely everything?
Idk, just me trying to come up with a sensible reason, I really don’t have evidence for this.
@@BermudaBee Idk man it just seems like they kick them all out. Hyenas? Vultures? Hell even shit like jackals scavenge. I could be wrong because it’s been awhile, but I legitimately don’t remember seeing a pure scavenger in the pride lands. At least not one that wasnt bacteria and some insects which is better than nothing I guess lol
I think it’s just weird that the scavengers are the ones shown “taking more than their share”, I feel like it should be the opposite. How is a vulture gonna take more than its share? They don’t even have a beak strong enough to hunt. Idk just like, WEIRD choice. To me tbh
Lion Guard was one of the very few Disney shows I watched growing up and I LOVED IT TO BITS!
I watched this show as a kid and Fuli was always my favorite because she SLAYS
I just want to mention that the voice of fuli currently voices Lunella Lafayette from Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. It's amazing go watch it!!!
I love Moon Girl!! Such a fun show, definitely a good one for kids/teens and adults!
Yeah Moon Girl 😊
I LOVED her voice so so much!!!! Like, I was a kid who didn't know about va and what not when I watched the show, but looking back, it's definitely her, and she's awesome!
"the zebra" you mention is named Thurston and I literally CRIED when he got named, he's literally my favourite character
STOPP NOT “Thirst-Ton) AND HE IS FRUITY? THAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY TO ME
FIVE. YEARS. Worth of setup. That whole scene where they leave the Pridelands is already a tear-jerker for me but the “I told you he knew my name!” joke was beyond incredible
I remember having a friend in kindergarten that loved the lion guard,he was really nice. Thanks for the blast to the past.
simba's entire arc in the original movie is literally all about him maturing and learning to put the needs of the pridelands and its inhabitants above his own wants + desires. and yet they wrote him like this? like did they not watch the movie their show is based on or were they just too lazy to think of an another source of conflict. also simba was raised by a meerkat and a warthog + the lion guard magic clearly doesn't care what species the members are, so why would HE care if non-lions are part of it. like this entire show is simba and lowkey kiara slander... should've just made kion kiara's son fr.
I mean, he had little to no training to be king. And, was really the first movie about putting the needs of other over his?
When he saw Mufasa he was told he was his son, and that's it.
If anything, the first movie was about Simba having to take responsibility of a land for being son of the King, regardless of who Simba as a character at all. Even when he goes back to pridelands, he does while still thinking he killed his father. Mufass didn't even bother to clarify it wasn't his fault, just to accentuate how much who Simba is as a person doesn't matter, all that matters is that he is the son of Mufasa, and so he was born with a responsibility forced upon him.
@@gregorythestallion2984 yes, that's putting the needs of others above his own lmao??? nala tells him that all of the pridelands are suffering, he's like "well that's not my problem, i want to stay here where i don't have to worry about that", then a combination of his conscience + rafiki + mufasa's ghost impress on him his duty as rightful king, and he goes back???
insane how you think my "the movie is about him putting the needs of others above his own wants" and your "the movie is about him taking responsibility as the rightful king" are two contradictory statements and not basically the same
Personally I'm only halfway through this video right now and I would prefer to consider the lion guard as not canon 🙃
@wolf-gh2dz if Simba actually had the knowledge to be a good king I would agree, if Simba had a real reason to be the one solving the problem aside from being the son of the king I would agree, of the lionesses at least tried to solve the issue themselves I would agree.
The main difference between the statements is that he was forced into those responsibilities, and not responsibilities he put on his own back nor responsibilities he needed to take care of because of his own actions.
There is a difference between "I must help those in need" and "I fulfill the role other impose on me." Simba doesn't help the pride because it is the right thing to do, if that was the case, Rafiki and Mufasa would have made emphasis on that, but nope, Rafiki and Mufasa made emphasis Simba being the prince, saying that his identity has more weight in this conversation than the moral about helping.
@@wolfwatch9731 U see simba in TLG needed to be a jerk so that he can develop by lion king 2 since the show is set before TLK2’s second half
To be fair, kiara also learned the lesson of 'dont be racist' before her dad, so i think simba just has issues
I mean considering everything Simba went through with Hyenas it’s not really surprising how he doesn’t really like them. Though yeah the other species definitely don’t deserve it
@@hyperdreamer9483 and I will maintain that he had perfectly good reasons to hate the outsiders before they defected bc they literally worshipped his murderous uncle.
Nah fr simba was judging Kovu since he was a cub 😂
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how Athena takes her time to do her make up for all these videos?
Lion Guard is one of my favorites shows and season 3 was definitely the best! The only thing I didn’t like was the finale where the lions were the new lion guard. It would have been way better if the new lion guard was made of the young animals the lion guard were protecting and would’ve played into the idea that the lion guard doesn’t have to be made up of lions.
I never watched the show, but YES!
I feel like they had them perfectly set up too: Mtoto, Ona, Hamu, and Fuli’s baby Baboon. Maybe the leader could be Kiara’s cub?
@@jezabatscringelandyou should
@@frogwhisperer2067maybe after vitani
@@madnessarcade7447
yeah could happen
in the future maybe
IT MAY BE CHEESY/INACURATE BUT SCAR'S SONG ABOUT HOW HE GOT HIS SCAR IS SO FUCKING CATCHY
@rach3092 I get that, but im biased its been stuck in my head ever since i heard it
@rach3092i like it way better than be prepared
It’s pretty accurate lol
Yes it is catchy
Clears be prepared imo
39:58, a better description of Kion's reaction is "I'd love to punish you for your crimes but that aint my job so...."
I can respect a children’s show (especially one for Disney Jr) that has actual substance to it that doesn’t treat kids as brainless cash grabs because these shows are so so so important to their development
Lion guard shows is a crap. Plus the lion guard has no meaningful, it's just a full of fictional, complicated, and inaccurate.
@@daniellupuzthea.t.w.4695 What`s wrong with fiction???
@@daniellupuzthea.t.w.4695buzzkill
@@daniellupuzthea.t.w.4695
got anything to say
that doesn’t make you
sound like annoying bully
Mufasa showing up regularly for his grandson and only occasionally for his kid is hilariously grandfatherly for him.
8:04 the fact the cheetah would definitely be dead considering how lions hunt cheetahs sense they compete for food is funny
Something I like about the way they handle Kion leaving is that it does, to some extent, align with the behavior of actual lions. In the real world when a lion has a male cub if the lion hasn't died before the cub is mature the cub will leave that pride to go start/join another pride!
Finally someone talks about the show! In my opinion the TLG was underrated
Also opinion Rani is a roar digger I’ve heard some people talk about this and I agree
“Roar digger” ain’t no way I’m dying over that lmaoo
@@bashfulwolfo6499 I’m not joking bro XD
honestly felt that first seeing them-
honestly felt that first seeing them-
I literally read a fic a while ago where it turned out she was and Kion ended up with Jasiri🤣
I have child-like wonder towards this show and it's songs, I don't care how many plot holes there are, the fact it even has lore and effort put into it is what made me love it.
“always the royal family’s second born” according to the books Kiara was actually the second born, she had an older brother. She shouldve gotten the roar!!
The general fanon consensus is that Zira killed Kopa while Kiara was still very young, and that's why Zira was exiled. So even though she is the second born, she technically wasn't old enough to develop the roar before Kopa was murdered, and upon his murder automatically became the heir.
I mean considering they retconned A Tale of Two Brothers I don’t think it’s much to say they retconned that too, not to mention the canonicity of those books were shaky to begin with if I remember right
@@hyperdreamer9483they retcon a tale of two brothers by directly showing the audience of the show their version of how scar got his trademark, but they never have an explanation for nor even acknowledge the existence of kopa, it's safe to say that the kopa story is still the same. Unless they come out with a new season or smth that actually covers the existence and disappearance of simbas first son, there's no actual (lion guard) canon story for him.
So fun fact, there was a series of books released after the original film was done that continued the story with simba's first kid, kopa. The way they told the stories and set portrayed the characters honestly felt more believable than this show. Explaining why zazu serves mufasa, how scar got his scar, and building up kopa's character and personality. This show was fun, but so much didn't make sense to me that i don't consider it canon.
I only knew about the tale of two brothers because my wiki deep dive brought me there (talking about scars scar and whatnot) but I had no idea about kopa omg????
@AthenaPOfficial oh yeah. I had made a video about it years ago. When they made the sequel, they apparently never knew the books existed. So instead of Kopa being simba's kid, it was Kiara. A small retcon, but at least one that made sense. This show retconned a lot😅. Enjoyable series, but messy connection to the source material.
Love the video by the way. You make great deep dives
Thank you so so much!! I really appreciate it! Gotta check out your Kopa video
@AthenaPOfficial oh God, please don't😅. It's so cringe. I'm much better now compared to little babu tuber me
@@StefonTV1I believe the books with Kopa was unofficial Disney books, so the books aren’t actual Disney products.
the show didn’t actually retcon things anymore than the second ovoid retconned things.
I absolutely love your analysis of the craziness of the Lion Guard as someone who grew up with my siblings and cousins OBSESSED with it, also I need to know where that dress is from because it is slaying in 30 different languages
The weird thing about the show is that parts of it seem like they were written for a slightly older audience, and then other parts clearly aren't.
I'm not sure if they originally wanted to make a general Lion King cartoon and had to settle for being relegated to a Disney Junior title or something.
This makes sense to me. With how inconsistent the writing seemed to be I'd definitely chock it up to being a ton of Executive Meddling. Teams with more creative freedom tend to have less plot holes in my experience.
@@silversugar2140 I'll admit I like it for what it is. But it's shows like that that makes me think of how things could have been.
i really wish it was on the same level of maturity as the movies tbh, so much stuff they could explore better, like the circle of life, which is a mess in the actual show
@@dakat5131 Oh yeah that's totally valid. And to be fair I haven't seen it myself so I'm not trying to judge it. Nothing is perfect anyway and I enjoy plenty of very obviously worse written content. I'm pretty easy to please with most shows but I totally agree--it sucks to know when we could have had better.
@@raposinhadoaj "The circle of life" somehow turned into a general name for their code, or even just an excuse to do whatever. The gravity of disrupting the ecosystem was weirdly not not present despite that being the whole reason to care about the circle of life (and the only way it could really be harmed as it's more of a general concept)
Unless they came up with a whole new meaning behind the scenes that they just never bothered to tell the audience. lol.
38:51 To be fair, this was back when they were presumably young adults or teenagers. Mufasa seemed a lot more immature back then, a bit similar to how simba acted as a kid, which would explain where he got it from.
Scar has he was around kion’s age
Also little fun fact:
The person who voices Chungu also voices Timon in this series.
And the person who boices Janja also voices Ora
The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and spin-off lore are wild. You should do a video on it someday.
Agreed. Also, notice that the Clubhouse is their version of the TARDIS from Doctor Who because it had multiple rooms, has gadgets and gizmos, time machine, round things, objects that can help them (sonic screwdriver and K9 and Toodles), has a device that can power the house (Idris for TARDIS and Crystal Mickey for Clubhouse), and David Tennant.
The Roar basically turning Kion into the Avatar by the end of the show kinda took me out of it but once i got past how weird that was I still loved the show, and I really loved your retrospective on it! This was so much fun ❤
Also I agree the Christmas special was even more dumb and confusing than all the magic shit happening and i tend to skip it on rewatch 😂
Horse Centaurworld pfp spotted
Lmao mine's from the second episode and yours is from the second to last, I love that.
🐎 Horse force forever 🐎
Yes I would in fact like to see a Trolls lore video. The first Trolls movie when it came out, didn't interest me all that much, but oh boy did that change with the sequel. To preface, I adore speculative bio/evo projects, so to see different species of Trolls that have evolved in different environments, yet all fill the niche of sapient, human like (predators? Do Trolls eat meat?) had me hooked.
Mermaid Trolls, Fairy Trolls, Centaur Trolls etc! Not to mention the question of their technology. The Pop Trolls had wooden instruments, but otherwise lived rather primitive, agrarian lives; meanwhile the Rock Trolls had FLYING WAR MACHINES and electric instruments! There's so much to discuss with the history and science of Trolls, one could probably dedicate videos for each different type.
hey, i saw your comment below, and at top of your comment is me yeah sorry there is just so much to say about this video
29 years old and I totally binged The Lion Guard this year. Lowkey? Loved it.
I would watch Shark-dog a preschool kids show about a talking pet shark that runs on land then watch a depressing video game about tormenting children
I started the show when I was 16. I am now 24. Crazy to think the kids the show was ained at are now teenagers.
@@MacGuy3135 oh god I babysat kids who would watch it while I was there- I haven’t thought about them in years but they’re definitely in high school now 🤯
The Lion guard series is too inaccurate and it doesn't have no meaningful about these shows. This is just a fictional shows about an heroic animals who protects the innocent animals from the danger's of evil animals who likes to murders other animals for fun. Like.... What?🤨 Since when these scary animals being a poachers, likes to kill everyone for sports? It doesn't make sense 😕 what did the hyenas, jackals, vultures, crocs, leopards, snakes and other animals do? There animals!!! i don't understand why Disney betraying these poor scary animals as villains as a role model. Man, Disney is evil, Nowadays is a woke.
Give Janja and his hyena clan some food meat and leftovers, their very hungry. Plus hyenas are scavengers and good hunters in reality.
@@daniellupuzthea.t.w.4695. . . Wut?
I think the reason Kion was able to speak to Mufasa is because The Roar Of The Ancestors may make that phenomenon happen much easier.
Yeah this show would have made way more sense if it was about Simba's grandchildren instead of his actual children. Even his portrayal of being kind of lazy and bitter could have been him getting old and forgetting what it meant to be King that way, having the young generation remind him of what's important.
You NEED to make Wild Kratts lore next, i grew up on it and it taught me everything i know about animals.
Blur best girl :3
Athena mention it in a ranking your crushes but she said it’ll probably take a awhile since there’s so many episodes
How do the creature power suits work?
@@edenanimates1465yes
@@edenanimates1465 Aviva programs creature power disks that are put into creature power suits, the Brothers then have to touch the animal to get the DNA then they can activate the suits. sorry if this is vague
Man I remember when the premiere movie dropped and I was like "Dang what a neat little series." and kind of lost track of it after that. I knew about Scar coming back but I did not know how absolutely wild this spun out. We love to see it.
There seems to be a theme in these Disney Junior shows where the protagonists defend the staus quo and don't make a positive difference, but anyone who tells them they suck is then seen as either a threat or a misinformed outsider.
Janja is the best character no contest. I havent watched it completely but i have seen enough clips to know what happened through the three season and i find it wild that they essentially made it to where anyone who was friends it Kion + the guard could eat (Especially when you compare Janja's group also starving while Jisiri was eating good)
Kion parting the sea like Moses was by far the craziest thing in the show
Yaaaaaaaaaaaay, so happy your making this, I am absolutely obsessed with the Lion King franchise
I need you to know for the past 2 weeks "Thats wack, Kion do the roar" has become a constant inside joke with my friends so thank you for that
To be honest, the problems with Simba's characterization started in Lion King 2. Mostly in the ACT first ask questions later category, although there were better reasons behind them back then.
Personally I think Lion Guard messed up overall. It didn't seem like a in between of what was happening after LK1 but before LK2.
It has good moments but overall they missed the Mark. Sure Simba in LK2 was a bit rude but like you admitted it was for very VERY good reason not bcus he had a personality switch due to being "King". He's clearly still trying to grasp the weight and responsibility for being King as he was a Hippy for an extended part of his life but he still felt like LK1 Simba. Lion Guard Simba is someone trying to act like they're Simba and asking themselves "What Would Simba Do".
I like that they gave the different species their own views and even language but I think they bit off more than they could chew especially with the rules and regulations of the Royal Family
in TLK2 it makes sense for Simba to be kind of overbearing and foolish - he didn't get taught how to lead or be a father, as his died. but The Lion Guard is SUCH a exaggeration of that and it's just annoying to watch
@@crumblyairshipnot rlly it grows on u and he gets better
@@kaimobley5324because it wasn’t
The show is set during tlk 2’s time skip
@@madnessarcade7447 you do realize that makes it even worse than what I said right
Also can we talk about how the Lion guard ACTUALLY introduce good hyenas. Like it's cool that not every hyena is a asshole henchmen and that they do respect the circle of life the only thing I do wish they did in the series is to have Jasiri pack move into the pride lands and live there. I'm just saying they respect it so why can't they live there? Also I like the minor development with Makuu the crocodile going from this asshole minor villain to an respected leader for the Crocs.
Yeah I’m grateful for that choice
I thought it was bluntly obvious in the first movie. They were only bad because of Scar's ruling
Tbf lions and hyenas really do have a burning, instinctive hatred of each other in real life lmao. Like "it's on sight" levels of hatred. So it does make sense why they bring out the worst in each other 💀
Because they like their home better
not too far into this yet but you're so right abt the movie characters being completely butchered and it makes me so sad because they do the vast majority of the original to the show characters extremely well... like kiara just didn't have that type of bratty teen personality in the second movie but her entire non-romance arc was how she despised the idea of becoming queen because it would hold her back but in tlg that's all she cares abt
the only movie character i think was done right was vitani her becoming the next leader of the lion guard felt like a natural progression i just wish they didn't soften up her personality and design as much as they did
You should do wild Kratts next, it’s made and based on the Kratt brothers and they have suits that can turn them into animals, there’s also team members and villains like Zack Varmatech (the best character in the series, no one can change my mind).
It’s mostly about different animals and showing their powers and how cool animals are. It’s really fun and I love it.
I love that show!!!
kratts 😢
@@BigBrotherJupiter I’m appalling at spelling so I’ll change it now
@@hannamihaly2381Same! I used to watch Wild Kratts so much!! that show was part of my childhood and probably one of the reasons that I love animals as much as I do now
Wild Kratts was my LIFE when I was a child!!! ❤❤❤❤