Download Opera for free today! opr.as/Opera-browser-athenap Also EDITING MISTAKE AT 42:11 somehow a clip got deleted I was supposed to say "and while they're away **UMA IS PRINCIPAL** which is huge" messed up my own favorite character's promotion I'm gonna cry ughhh
(I'll use any excuse to bring up Gravity Falls) people are shipping Bill Cipher and Stanford Pines. 🤮 sure Bill's reaction to the "breakup" was hilarious but OH MY GOD PEOPLE IT WAS PROBABLY A JOKE! WE LEARN THE EXTENT OF HOW TOXIC WHATEVER RELATIONSHIP THIS WAS IN THE NEW BOOK. NEED I SAY MORE?! LIKE BILL PHYSICALLY ABUSED HIM AND MANIPULATED HIM; TOTURED HIM, ISOLATED HIM. HE CONFESSES ON THE WEBSITE THAT FORD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A MEANS TO AN END AND A TOY TO HIM. Dear Billford shippers: PLEASE STOP.
Ben really needed to catch a break in these movies. The boy just wanted to end class discrimination and create a rehabilitation program and the universe punished him for that multiple times
@@chronodemon8 Ben is actually worse with context. I remember in one of the books he had to go to Camelot for a royal thing and hated it and the people living there. He was saying they were backward and the place smelled horrible since they don't have modern plumbing just buckets. Yet when you read the 1st book Isle of the Lost, you find out the whole Descendants world is an amalgamation planet (like Battleworld in Marvel's Secret Wars) created by Beast and Fairy Godmother using her wand. So Camelot didn't even have a choice to be there, let alone a choice to become part of Auradon's empire, Beast and Fairy Godmother are tyrants and the franchise just ignores that.
The movie series itself already felt like someone’s fanfic But being hit with the fact that Mal is the lovechild of Maleficent and Hades just makes that fanfic-y feel even stronger
I think the reason why Ben wasn't upset about Mal druging him was because his dad quite literally kept his mom prisoner before they got together, my boy doesn't know how a normal relationship starts
I’d argue that Belle chose to be imprisoned in order to free her father. Furthermore despite being a prisoner she is treated more like a guest who is forbidden from leaving rather than a prisoner. I know that she is still technically a prisoner but it’s a far different situation than what her father was in and she chose to be a prisoner.
Well the whole thing wasn't an imprisonment at all. Nobody, not even the Beast or the castle staff took the prisoner thing seriously, and there was no one guarding her room either. It was more of a promise Belle made that she'd stay with the Beast.
In the prequel novel theres a line that says something like ' the isle was a fate worse than death, they knew that because many of the residents had been reserected to get put there' Which is a level of petty vindictiveness not usually associated with "good guys"
That pissed me off so bad because tf do you mean they resurected them??? They can just do that?????? and its just never brought up again as if thats not insane
This is my favorite "fun" fact about this series. Like they revived a bunch of dead villains just to put them on trial and banish them to an island where they had nothing else to do but fuck. My second favorite "fun" fact is that all Disney animals are relegated to "sidekicks." In the novels there's like a separate area they segregate all the talking animals to, and they're not equal to the humans. Yes, even the Lion King and Bambi characters, who are not sidekicks.
Jane's behavior never confused me. She wanted to be pretty to be "cool". It makes complete sense why she'd side with Audrey when befriending the VKs was uncool.
I remember when descendants 3 came out, a little while after Cameron Boyce ( Carlos’s actor ) passed way and me and my friends watched the movie because we wanted to honor him. We cried the whole movie, it’s kinda silly when you realize what we were watching was a bunch of colorful haired Disney kids singing but it’s such a core memory lol
It breaks my heart that he is no longer here with us, given that my sister and I grew up watching him and the rest of the Jessie Cast grow up. Hope he is in a much better place now
I really think they handled Cameron’s death respectfully in the Rise of Red. Like I doubted they were gonna acknowledge anything, and they could have very easily gone with “they’re away with the other four”, seen as no one is pictured and it’s in opening monologue only…but they didn’t. They added an emotional beat that absolutely tore me apart as someone who grew up watching Cameron Boyce. They acknowledged that even in that universe, Carlos was gone. They lingered on it just enough to understand emotionally driven motivation. And then they moved on from that beat because “the moment” as such, was over. Uma shedding tears felt so real too. It just felt far better than any way I thought Disney would handle something like this. They’re known for just recasting or ignoring, but to give a character and therefore an actor a send off like that, one only those old enough to know about Cameron Boyce would even understand, is extremely respectful. Honouring what he did for the series, and giving him a send off instead of just ignoring the issue.
The way you correctly highlight this as an anomaly has me side-eyeing Disney and their apparent penchant for forced arbitration. I'm happy this is in the movie, yet distracted by the possibility it stems from a compensatory pact.
Yes! I keep seeing people say that they were going to use his passing to get more views for the movie, but it’s one scene at the beginning that is done very tastefully I think. And China Anne McLain agreed to do the scene and you could see that she was really emotional about it. 🤍
They handled it the same way in the short animation about Ben and male wedding. I remember watching and they just said “aww I wish he was here:(“ and continued with the short.
Im supriesed how Athena didnt bring up how heavily they imply that Cinderella actually was the one that performed the prank. The queen of hearts hates her, Cinderella calls her out for overreacting to the prank. She refuses to tell her daughter what happend. Bridgette makes such a strong point about cinderella being her only friends. She sings a song about getting your hands dirty if you think you have to. The villain kids that we are told actually made me prank get frozen as soon as the open merlins magic book (which a person without an evil intention can open, aka someone like cinderella) And thanks to her being grounded she couldnt even go to thr promb to perform that prank. It felt so unsatisfying seing all the red flags and then they just never deliver.
@@kingclav6710 she could've been tricked into it (my interpretation is that they made Cinderella open the book without telling her why in the original timeline)
@@maxhatter1 that wasn’t really the point of the song. It was to explain that some situation aren’t black or white and some are in the grey area. Even though some lyrics were kinda messy and were seeming to justifying bad actions
America centrism is a given when it comes to Disney, but if Beast is a king that united multiple kingdoms...He's an Emperor. We could've seen quirky himbo roman emperor beast.
Now that you pointed it out, Evil Like Me happening while Maleficent had everyone frozen would've been way more fun.They could've used the frozen people as props! Such a missed oppurtunity.
Actually, the nickname shrimpy was mentioned in the third book and the reason for it also occurred there it points out that when Mal and Uma were kids they were friends but during a smoke bomb incident Mal fell into the water near where the barge was and almost drowned Harry and Jay rescued Mal while Uma just laughed at the whole situation. That is when Mal found a bucket of rotten shrimp tails and dumped it on Uma's head and nicknamed her shrimpy.
What struck me weirdly when i first watched a decendants movie is how our villain is supposed to be regularshmegular about her boyfriend singing about another girl. Even if he wasn't in control, she couldn't have known
@SupremeCashew87 she reminds me of raven from ever after high. They are put off as villians even though they have good reasons to act how they do, except raven didnt have any reason to be a villian except for the fact that she is the daughter of her mother, the real villian
7:30 I recently saw another TH-camr who pointed it out as well. He said, and I quote: "I think that the criteria for Ben to pick these kids up was who he felt the attraction to. Like He just calls Carlos a good boy! This man is literally flirting with him right now! LOOK AT HIM! HE IS TRYING TO HIDE IT RIGHT NOW" Seiginho is so unhinged. I would love a colab between you two. Damnit the league barrier!
you should totally watch Ever After High. it’s a animated series that follows the children of famous fairytale characters. the characters and lore are super interesting! you’ll definitely like it!
My fav not-really-obscure-but-kinda fact is the fact in Descendants 3, Dr. Facilier is played by Jamal Sims, AKA the main choreographer on RuPaul's Drag Race. Whenever I watch the movie it's a jumpscare when he shows up, I'm like "ARIANA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?"
5:12 The fact that the ad revenue from this video is going toward the Cameron Boyce Foundation is awesome. Also, I never thought about the fact that both Belle & the Beast (Prince Adam) were social recluses (for different reasons of course) & for that reason it's a strange choice that they ended up being able to unite the different kingdoms. Fantastic movie/tv series commentaries/criticisms & fun outfit (love the nails)!
I think it's really sweet how the add revenue for this video is going to go to the Cameron Boyce foundation he is seriously incredibly missed and he always will be rip Cameron❤
Yes please!!! Those shows were my childhood!!!! And OMG I'm not the only one who remembers Alladin and Hercules crossing over. TAKE THAT PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A FEVERDREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
33:30 "You didnt think this was the end of the story did you" Actually was improvised in a way. Specifically, in D1 it wasn't in the script, but during filming Kenny told Dove to say it. Same thing happened in D2, wasn't in the script, wasn't planned, but as they were filming Kenny decided to have it be said. So, it was improvised but moreso by Kenny, not by Dove or China.
First time I heard that Beast got elected king, my immediate thought was that one line from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail": "Well, I didn't vote for you." "You don't vote for kings!"
The thing about Jay that confuses is me is if he’s the son of Jafar why is he acting like Aladdin it would have been cool if he was more of a conniving politician type of evil and learns to work on himself then it actually feels like he’s taking after his father. Also thank you for making this video for the Cameron Boyce Foundation
Also Jay is east Asian and not middle eastern like his dad (who's played by an actual Middle Eastern actor). Unless Jay is mixed and his mom is East Asian, or he's adopted, I don't know how that happened.
0:42 "Did you just CUSS?? While talking about movies meant for kids??" "Yeah, I also smacked an *ss pillow-" 3:07 "The mans only crime is simping too hard!" 7:08 "I can't believe the first person to have empathy for the lower class in this kingdom is a HIGH SCHOOL AGED BOY!" 7:19 "But- and I know this is not what-" (The rainbow lights on the jukebox turn on) 7:30 (Looks up) "WALT, I'M GONNA F*CKING SAY IT ANYWAY!- actually I should say-" (looks down) "WALT, I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY!" 10:01 "Everyone say 'Aw'!" (Aw sound effect) "STOP saying 'Aw'! He's under a SPELL! This is not CONSENTUAL!" 15:30 "But Ben, with the power of Being A Guy She's Into, changed her mind." 16:07 "Jay, you're a rockstar out in that field! Get your head in the game! And Carlos! You befriended a dog! Ironic, huh?(Weird laugh) And Evie! You're such a talented designer and you don't NEED a boyfriend!" 17:13 "Where for art thou, budget??" 23:29 "Please sir, can I have some context?" 25:13 "Just watching this, I feel high!" 30:18 "Uma sings 'What's my name? What's my name? What's my name?' over and over again. And no one answers her, it's VERY awkward!" 32:37 "I'm gonna SPLASH YOU!" "Not if I SPLASH YOU BACK!" (Laughing) "Why are we clapping? Why are we laughing?" 34:11 "This wig itches and I wanna go home. I don't- I don't wanna be here!" 38:00 "Malificent and Hades have fu- fricked! They fricked each other! She got some of her genetics from deez nuts! Hades nuts!" 40:17 "I can't relate, I don't get the scene!" 40:30 "And I stole a pencil sharpener when I was 12, and I shoved Uma in a locker when I was 9... sometimes I pick my nose-" 46:30 "It's because Cinderella said her angry word."
In my freshman year, I was in a school musical of this movie. I played a royal student extra, and my costume consisted of a blue polo shirt with khakis. The number of Best Buy jokes I heard from my fellow ensemble members was probably in the thousands.
The fact that there IS even any fiscourse of Cameron Boyce's padding beibg mentioned is mind boggling. Like do they expect the series to ignore his passing? His death impacted so many so mentioning it WAS the most respectful thing to do.
What I love about your channel is that it's for adults and has adult humor without directing it towards the kid characters, which....way too many youtubers do.
In Rise of Red, I was expecting a twist that Cinderella was the one who made the prank, even if unknowingly. Firstly because it's make sense in a narrative way to have the main character being wrong about their very first guess, secondly because a big point of the movie was how different the parents were when they were younger and the "nice good parent did something bad in the past" is a classic, thirdly because when the villains take the book it's shown that they got immediatley frozen upon opening it because the spell Merlin put was to prevent the book from falling into the wrong hand. Implying that EVEN WITHOUT RED AND CHLOE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROZEN. Not only that, they were able to get the book so easily because of Red and Chloe. Before the freezing I was fully expecting a "them going back in time was always meant to happen/time fixed itself" twist. Then the villain got frozen and I was like "Oh so we'll reveal that the person who pranked Bridget was one of the good guys, likely Ella, and it was like a misunderstanding but Bridget never got to realize it because she had turned to evil". And the fact they went back before the dance (which now I see you mentionning it, I understand better why the ending felt so unsatisfying) kinda pushed that narrative more, like, they go back to the present, see things haven't changed, go back in time, and at the dance they realize what truly happenned, and fix the misunderstanding/error in the past with good old communication. This movie just needed ten more minutes. At least the songs were fire
@@mentallyillbean for reaaaal for a minute at the start when we see Bridget having beef with Ella I was like "omg they were in love but things didn't work and now their daughters will fall in love". Then I remembered it was Disney.
R.I.P to Cameron I watched a lot of Disney channel as a kid and he was a big part of my childhood. All the love goes out to his friends and family and to the charity❤️
"How do they know about the kids' existence?" It's explained in the prequel book, Beast and Belle sent Yen Sid from Fantasia to the Isle to see how things were going and he wrote back that all the villains had kids now
44:22 not sure if everyone knows, but Brandy and Paolo also played cinderella and prince charming in the 1997 rodgers and hammerstein Cinderella .. alongside Whitney Huston as the fairy god mother 🤭 I adored that movie as a kid and still do, its so cute that they brought them back together for this film 🩵💛
as soon as I saw them I came down to the comments to see if anyone else noticed this too. It made me pretty happy that they would use Brandy and Paolo for this as a nod to that not as well known version of cinderella.
I recall someone defending the fact that "Descendants" was originally a book series before the release of "Ever After High." They mentioned that the movie and the book were released within a month of each other, which was a significant achievement. However, it seems like Disney Channel attempted to gaslight people into thinking that "Descendants" had been a book series for a longer time, probably because of Disney's influence and financial power.
Descendants wasn’t a book series, but the franchise was conceptualized before EAH was a thing. It’s common knowledge when the books released and information you can easily find. Disney cannot bury when something was released. Everyone always harps on Descendants for “copying”. In reality the only thing the franchises have in common is the fact that they’re the children of fairytale characters and that they have purple hair main characters. Of course they also have the lesson that everyone should be able to chose their own path, however, their plots are extremely different. Descendants was also blamed for the cancellation when in reality it was bc of Mattel budget cuts. Yes it was because of them losing their Disney Princess deal, but Descendants had nothing to do with the cancellation. Both franchise could’ve coexisted and as a fan of both, I would’ve loved to see it!
49:29 wait until you find out that his actor played Kevin Gnapoor in the first National Tour of Mean Girls. This is the second time this guy played a character who is just eternally nervous around women- 😭
cruella devil being in the top 4 most dangerous villains is so wild cause like yeah she was evil but like theres also 1.5 gods in hades and ursula, 2 genocidal war criminals in shan yu and the pocahontas villan whose name i cant remember, a baby kidnapper gaslighter and murderer in mother gothel, and an evil ghost manipulating voodoo king in dr facilier... and those are just off the top of my head
There’s also the racist genocidal murderer who also attempted to kill a baby and also practically tried forcing a woman to be his by sending her to be burned at the stake unless she chose him. In Frollo.
37:54 There's one part of their duet that has never sat right for me. Mal sings "You were never there / Guess you don't have a phone / You never called to say 'I miss you.'" Uh, yes Mal, he DIDN'T have a phone. While Auradon has modern technology, I don't think they ever showed anyone on the Isle of the Lost using a phone; not even a landline. I didn't notice any telephone poles and I don't really care to check. Hades' response is actually pretty fair: "Are you kidding? Is this a joke?" Until it's not: "You're stronger with those daddy issues." Uh, no Hades, that's NOT how this works. While both said some dumb stuff, Hades is still in the wrong here for purposefully neglecting his daughter. I am surprised that everyone is going nuts over the "Ja-laddin" lyric, yet I haven't heard anyone point out either of these lyrics.
I found it hillarious how the novels tried so hard to connect this movies to the original animated movies. Even explaining how some characters came back to life. BTW, it would be awesome to see your analysis of the Aladdin show.
I love all of the Descendants movies. It has great casts and awesome music. The third and fourth one made me cry because Cameron Boyce's death was the hard part of the movies 🔥🔥🔥💖💖💖😭😭😭
DUDE I’m suffering from intense OUAT brain rot right now 😭 I need Athena to cover it in a Camp or Cringe video someday because I think she’d have a lot of fun with it
I am making this comment before watching: I am pretty sure the biggest Disney crossover is actually Chibiverse. The biggest cartoon crossover as a whole may be the new Chip & Dale movie. OK. K.O. is also a show that has a ton of crossovers and might qualify.
Chibiverse is the closest we’re ever gonna get to a House of Mouse reboot. Much like how Jellystone is the closest we’re gonna get to a Cartoon Network City tv show. I only wish the live action shows like The Villains of Valley View had their own shorts.
You’ve got to read the books too, Captain Hook actually has 3 children, Gil has two brothers, Mal has a half-brother, and the movies regularly contradict the lore set up in the books in spite of the books having been written for the purpose of setting up the movies Just finished the video: so glad that you are gonna read the books because it is very clear that the author was not given the full information of the overarching plot of the stories (or that they didn’t know what the next movie was gonna be about every time she was asked to write another) and the movies would just kinda ignore the books meaning the the author had to keep scrambling to make it all make sense (like Captain Hook having three kids that were all introduced in different canons) she even tried to make the Wicked World shorts work by including Jordan, Freddy, and CJ
The Best Episode of the Aladdin TV show is the crossover with the Hercules TV show. i would love Lore videos on both of them. Or even House of Mouse that show has some weird lore implication that this Channel was made for XD
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Also EDITING MISTAKE AT 42:11 somehow a clip got deleted I was supposed to say "and while they're away **UMA IS PRINCIPAL** which is huge" messed up my own favorite character's promotion I'm gonna cry ughhh
It’s ok 👍
my condolences mlady but youre still slaying
I hope You do a Detentionaire or Grossology lore vid 😄.
Girl don’t worry, we forgive you
(I'll use any excuse to bring up Gravity Falls)
people are shipping Bill Cipher and Stanford Pines. 🤮
sure Bill's reaction to the "breakup" was hilarious but OH MY GOD PEOPLE IT WAS PROBABLY A JOKE!
WE LEARN THE EXTENT OF HOW TOXIC WHATEVER RELATIONSHIP THIS WAS IN THE NEW BOOK. NEED I SAY MORE?!
LIKE BILL PHYSICALLY ABUSED HIM AND MANIPULATED HIM;
TOTURED HIM, ISOLATED HIM.
HE CONFESSES ON THE WEBSITE THAT FORD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A MEANS TO AN END AND A TOY TO HIM.
Dear Billford shippers: PLEASE STOP.
Imagine @AthenaPOffical finds Ever After High, makes a lore video on it, and finds out that Descendants is the reason why it's no longer airing.
Right 😭
EAH is superior
Which is even more reason she needs to make an EAH lore video.
If she ever does, she'd also have to cover how Monster High is tied to it 😂 (at least Gen 1)
@@scully7385this comment explains a lot..
Ben really needed to catch a break in these movies. The boy just wanted to end class discrimination and create a rehabilitation program and the universe punished him for that multiple times
You should read the books they flesh him out waaaaay more than the movies lol
At least he got rewarded for his deeds
@@chronodemon8 Ben is actually worse with context. I remember in one of the books he had to go to Camelot for a royal thing and hated it and the people living there. He was saying they were backward and the place smelled horrible since they don't have modern plumbing just buckets. Yet when you read the 1st book Isle of the Lost, you find out the whole Descendants world is an amalgamation planet (like Battleworld in Marvel's Secret Wars) created by Beast and Fairy Godmother using her wand. So Camelot didn't even have a choice to be there, let alone a choice to become part of Auradon's empire, Beast and Fairy Godmother are tyrants and the franchise just ignores that.
@@heartless2147 that is not in that book lol. I'm literally reading the series in full.
Hes very decent
I refuse to believe that this franchises characters aren't at least 75% queer
And you're correct for that
real and true
Looking at Harry Hook like "I know what you are"
they're all bi, there is no other explanation
@@Haru-sg9vjHe gave me such bi energy, even when I was younger :p
The movie series itself already felt like someone’s fanfic
But being hit with the fact that Mal is the lovechild of Maleficent and Hades just makes that fanfic-y feel even stronger
Funny thing is, in House of Mouse, Hades had eyes for Maleficent.
@@mitchfletcher238638:12 I was so surprised when I saw this too!!! Disney has been shipping these two hahaha
I think the reason why Ben wasn't upset about Mal druging him was because his dad quite literally kept his mom prisoner before they got together, my boy doesn't know how a normal relationship starts
That-…actually explains a lot.
I’d argue that Belle chose to be imprisoned in order to free her father. Furthermore despite being a prisoner she is treated more like a guest who is forbidden from leaving rather than a prisoner. I know that she is still technically a prisoner but it’s a far different situation than what her father was in and she chose to be a prisoner.
you know what thats fair
@@dandereninja4750it’s still terrible and isn’t how any relationship should start
Well the whole thing wasn't an imprisonment at all. Nobody, not even the Beast or the castle staff took the prisoner thing seriously, and there was no one guarding her room either. It was more of a promise Belle made that she'd stay with the Beast.
In the prequel novel theres a line that says something like ' the isle was a fate worse than death, they knew that because many of the residents had been reserected to get put there'
Which is a level of petty vindictiveness not usually associated with "good guys"
That pissed me off so bad because tf do you mean they resurected them??? They can just do that?????? and its just never brought up again as if thats not insane
That’s insane. It at least explains why all of these villains are somehow alive at the same time, but certainly has a ton of unexpected implications.
This is my favorite "fun" fact about this series. Like they revived a bunch of dead villains just to put them on trial and banish them to an island where they had nothing else to do but fuck.
My second favorite "fun" fact is that all Disney animals are relegated to "sidekicks." In the novels there's like a separate area they segregate all the talking animals to, and they're not equal to the humans. Yes, even the Lion King and Bambi characters, who are not sidekicks.
@@VLR26612 The fact that the author had to write that in there bc Disney gave no explanation to why dead villains were all of a sudden alive 😭
@@kyokunskittythat's crazy, Cinderella would never put jaq and Gus in a cage 😭
I just realized that Uma making ben fall in love with her is exactly what her mom did to Prince Eric. That’s so cool actually
yeah would be so much better if they didn t already use the same plot in the first movie tho
kinda slay of her
@@deny2294it’s not the same it’s different one was a love spell the other was mind control
@madnessarcade7447 well, both results were the same and achieved via same means - without the person knowing/consenting
Jane's behavior never confused me. She wanted to be pretty to be "cool". It makes complete sense why she'd side with Audrey when befriending the VKs was uncool.
I thought it was obvious the way she acted with Audrey
@@MetallicMagenta Exactly lol
Exactly what I was thinking. Jane is a sweet gal, she was just hanging out with the wrong people
Plus I loved her character.
Jasmine "He's not a street rat, and he doesn't have flees."
(Aladdin only ever seen scratching his head)
Athena yelling that she hates Jane and Fairy Godmother but resembles them as if she's Jane's big sister or cool aunt....irony of ironies. Love you
Omg thank you so much!!!! As much as the characters annoy me they are GORGEOUS 😭 appreciate this!!
I remember when descendants 3 came out, a little while after Cameron Boyce ( Carlos’s actor ) passed way and me and my friends watched the movie because we wanted to honor him. We cried the whole movie, it’s kinda silly when you realize what we were watching was a bunch of colorful haired Disney kids singing but it’s such a core memory lol
It breaks my heart that he is no longer here with us, given that my sister and I grew up watching him and the rest of the Jessie Cast grow up. Hope he is in a much better place now
I remember that. There was also a "trend" going around too which made me very angry. Cameron was a good person and I felt so bad for Karan.
No yeah, that was me too. Core memory
That’s fair though- I remember watching Cameron Boyce in other shows, rip man.
@@shadetee234this, I watched him in that as a kid. I think he passed from epilepsy (looked for the Cameron Boyce foundation.)
I really think they handled Cameron’s death respectfully in the Rise of Red. Like I doubted they were gonna acknowledge anything, and they could have very easily gone with “they’re away with the other four”, seen as no one is pictured and it’s in opening monologue only…but they didn’t. They added an emotional beat that absolutely tore me apart as someone who grew up watching Cameron Boyce. They acknowledged that even in that universe, Carlos was gone. They lingered on it just enough to understand emotionally driven motivation. And then they moved on from that beat because “the moment” as such, was over. Uma shedding tears felt so real too.
It just felt far better than any way I thought Disney would handle something like this. They’re known for just recasting or ignoring, but to give a character and therefore an actor a send off like that, one only those old enough to know about Cameron Boyce would even understand, is extremely respectful. Honouring what he did for the series, and giving him a send off instead of just ignoring the issue.
The way you correctly highlight this as an anomaly has me side-eyeing Disney and their apparent penchant for forced arbitration. I'm happy this is in the movie, yet distracted by the possibility it stems from a compensatory pact.
Yes! I keep seeing people say that they were going to use his passing to get more views for the movie, but it’s one scene at the beginning that is done very tastefully I think. And China Anne McLain agreed to do the scene and you could see that she was really emotional about it. 🤍
They handled it the same way in the short animation about Ben and male wedding. I remember watching and they just said “aww I wish he was here:(“ and continued with the short.
RIP Cameron. Thanks for supporting his cause.
"Hadeez nuts" was brilliant. Athena, I'm really proud of you.
I’m so happy I’m not the only one who thought that Ben was just trying to make his bisexual harem.
Im supriesed how Athena didnt bring up how heavily they imply that Cinderella actually was the one that performed the prank. The queen of hearts hates her, Cinderella calls her out for overreacting to the prank. She refuses to tell her daughter what happend. Bridgette makes such a strong point about cinderella being her only friends. She sings a song about getting your hands dirty if you think you have to. The villain kids that we are told actually made me prank get frozen as soon as the open merlins magic book (which a person without an evil intention can open, aka someone like cinderella) And thanks to her being grounded she couldnt even go to thr promb to perform that prank. It felt so unsatisfying seing all the red flags and then they just never deliver.
The only thing who doesn’t work is that if Ella opened the book with the intention of pranking Bridget she would’ve been frozen
They said early on in the movie that she was too busy with Prince charming the night of the ball
@@kingclav6710 she could've been tricked into it (my interpretation is that they made Cinderella open the book without telling her why in the original timeline)
@@kingclav6710 She Literally sings a song about how anything is "good" as long as you have the right reasons
@@maxhatter1 that wasn’t really the point of the song. It was to explain that some situation aren’t black or white and some are in the grey area. Even though some lyrics were kinda messy and were seeming to justifying bad actions
America centrism is a given when it comes to Disney, but if Beast is a king that united multiple kingdoms...He's an Emperor. We could've seen quirky himbo roman emperor beast.
Just because he's an emperor doesn't make him roman though 😭??
@@ussinussinongawd516lmao fr
@@ussinussinongawd516 True enough, I just thought it'd keep the western focus lol
Now that you pointed it out, Evil Like Me happening while Maleficent had everyone frozen would've been way more fun.They could've used the frozen people as props! Such a missed oppurtunity.
Ooh, kinda like how Metroman uses his extreme superspeed, sounds cool!
Actually, the nickname shrimpy was mentioned in the third book and the reason for it also occurred there it points out that when Mal and Uma were kids they were friends but during a smoke bomb incident Mal fell into the water near where the barge was and almost drowned Harry and Jay rescued Mal while Uma just laughed at the whole situation. That is when Mal found a bucket of rotten shrimp tails and dumped it on Uma's head and nicknamed her shrimpy.
Descendants cartoon: ~Implies that Yzma had a child~
Literally everyone with basic knowledge of who Yzma is: 🤢
To make things worse Frollo has a kid in the books.
Yzma has nephews/nieces in Emperor's New School.
Clearly Yzma cloned herself. She's like, an evil scientist, remember?
@@mitchfletcher2386 yzma grimwalker theory?????
@@bi-lynejackson1845 NOOO THATS REALLY DISGUSTING
Ben is literally the MOST bisexual disaster i have ever seen. D2 is the BEST of the three
Harry Hook is bisexual he has a thing for jay in descendants 3 😂
@@isaiahedmonson5832 no gill has a thing for Jay actually
@@MetallicMagenta gil and jay are bros i know that harry likes jay
King Ben likes mal but he's got a weird and wild side to him i think 😅
@@isaiahedmonson5832 and Harry likes Jane he probably likes anyone who comes in contact with him
What struck me weirdly when i first watched a decendants movie is how our villain is supposed to be regularshmegular about her boyfriend singing about another girl. Even if he wasn't in control, she couldn't have known
Audrey is petty
*exactly* this. It’s always ticked me off
Audrey had every right to become the villain in my opinion.
I love Audrey, but my girl was a manece. If there were slurs for people from the island she would use them every three words.
@SupremeCashew87 she reminds me of raven from ever after high. They are put off as villians even though they have good reasons to act how they do, except raven didnt have any reason to be a villian except for the fact that she is the daughter of her mother, the real villian
Jafar seems fine until you read the first book and realize that he didn't even give jay a bed, just a rug under the shelves inside his store.
7:30 I recently saw another TH-camr who pointed it out as well.
He said, and I quote:
"I think that the criteria for Ben to pick these kids up was who he felt the attraction to. Like He just calls Carlos a good boy! This man is literally flirting with him right now! LOOK AT HIM! HE IS TRYING TO HIDE IT RIGHT NOW"
Seiginho is so unhinged. I would love a colab between you two. Damnit the league barrier!
Descendants verse slowly building towards the levels of interconnected insanity that Once Upon a Time Reached.
OUAT’s was as a reference to descendants especially at the end of the series
I think Ally is an exception to the "No Wonderland kids" thing bc Alice isn't in Wonderland at the end of the movie
Exactly. Alice isn’t Wonderlandian, she’s British.
That's a good point.
@@TheFlamingDoh2even worse!
you should totally watch Ever After High. it’s a animated series that follows the children of famous fairytale characters. the characters and lore are super interesting! you’ll definitely like it!
Ever After High is also connected to the original Monster High so that would be fun.
Like, if you like Mal x Evie (and who doesn't?) you'll love Apple and Darling.
Like, if you like Mal x Evie (and who doesn't?) you'll love Apple and Darling.
Ohh yeah, I’m also reminded I really want her to do Winx.
EAH Lore fucks so hard
My fav not-really-obscure-but-kinda fact is the fact in Descendants 3, Dr. Facilier is played by Jamal Sims, AKA the main choreographer on RuPaul's Drag Race. Whenever I watch the movie it's a jumpscare when he shows up, I'm like "ARIANA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?"
ARIANA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HEREEEE??
HOWWWWW HAVE I NEVER PUT THIS TOGETHER I JUST GASPEDDDDD
5:12 The fact that the ad revenue from this video is going toward the Cameron Boyce Foundation is awesome. Also, I never thought about the fact that both Belle & the Beast (Prince Adam) were social recluses (for different reasons of course) & for that reason it's a strange choice that they ended up being able to unite the different kingdoms. Fantastic movie/tv series commentaries/criticisms & fun outfit (love the nails)!
9:57 "no he was just giving her a sparkly rock" me when i confess my feelings corvid style
HELPPP
I think it's really sweet how the add revenue for this video is going to go to the Cameron Boyce foundation he is seriously incredibly missed and he always will be rip Cameron❤
I support you seeing the Alladin and Hercules animated series, as those happen in the same univese
Call it Jacules
Yes please!!! Those shows were my childhood!!!! And OMG I'm not the only one who remembers Alladin and Hercules crossing over. TAKE THAT PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A FEVERDREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@axelsaurs_hellscapesomeone draw alladin x Hercules please /hj
@@S0ap_Bvbbl3z it exists
@axelsaurs_hellscape He's like magnet, he's so attractive, it's all fantastic, cuz we're flying high together on a magic Pegasus ✨️
33:30 "You didnt think this was the end of the story did you" Actually was improvised in a way. Specifically, in D1 it wasn't in the script, but during filming Kenny told Dove to say it. Same thing happened in D2, wasn't in the script, wasn't planned, but as they were filming Kenny decided to have it be said. So, it was improvised but moreso by Kenny, not by Dove or China.
First time I heard that Beast got elected king, my immediate thought was that one line from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail":
"Well, I didn't vote for you."
"You don't vote for kings!"
I have a strong feeling that epic Mickey, Sofia the first, desendents, mirrorverse & kingdom hearts are ALL connected in a HUGE crazy timeline
And elena of avalor
Twisted wonderland can def fit in that timeline too
between this and Gravity Falls my childhood is coming back in full force this year.
SAME
Same
amazing pfp
@@kyratabeth exaclty
Queen of Mean is a damn bop
It went number one trending on TH-cam for a REASON!!!!
Best song out of the franchise idc
Best decendents song
All the Songs are so good including the new movie rise of red ❤
@@sarahthomas8670idkk space between eatsss, I literally cry every time it plays
The thing about Jay that confuses is me is if he’s the son of Jafar why is he acting like Aladdin it would have been cool if he was more of a conniving politician type of evil and learns to work on himself then it actually feels like he’s taking after his father.
Also thank you for making this video for the Cameron Boyce Foundation
I once heard a theory that since Jay acts so much like Aladdin: Jay is actually Jasmin and Aladdin’s son, but jafar stole him as a baby
Chances are Jafar probably stole Aladdin and Jasmine's kid.
In his Mother Gothel era
Also Jay is east Asian and not middle eastern like his dad (who's played by an actual Middle Eastern actor). Unless Jay is mixed and his mom is East Asian, or he's adopted, I don't know how that happened.
0:42
"Did you just CUSS?? While talking about movies meant for kids??"
"Yeah, I also smacked an *ss pillow-"
3:07
"The mans only crime is simping too hard!"
7:08
"I can't believe the first person to have empathy for the lower class in this kingdom is a HIGH SCHOOL AGED BOY!"
7:19
"But- and I know this is not what-" (The rainbow lights on the jukebox turn on)
7:30
(Looks up) "WALT, I'M GONNA F*CKING SAY IT ANYWAY!- actually I should say-" (looks down) "WALT, I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY!"
10:01
"Everyone say 'Aw'!" (Aw sound effect) "STOP saying 'Aw'! He's under a SPELL! This is not CONSENTUAL!"
15:30
"But Ben, with the power of Being A Guy She's Into, changed her mind."
16:07
"Jay, you're a rockstar out in that field! Get your head in the game! And Carlos! You befriended a dog! Ironic, huh?(Weird laugh) And Evie! You're such a talented designer and you don't NEED a boyfriend!"
17:13
"Where for art thou, budget??"
23:29
"Please sir, can I have some context?"
25:13
"Just watching this, I feel high!"
30:18
"Uma sings 'What's my name? What's my name? What's my name?' over and over again. And no one answers her, it's VERY awkward!"
32:37
"I'm gonna SPLASH YOU!"
"Not if I SPLASH YOU BACK!"
(Laughing) "Why are we clapping? Why are we laughing?"
34:11
"This wig itches and I wanna go home. I don't- I don't wanna be here!"
38:00
"Malificent and Hades have fu- fricked! They fricked each other! She got some of her genetics from deez nuts! Hades nuts!"
40:17
"I can't relate, I don't get the scene!"
40:30
"And I stole a pencil sharpener when I was 12, and I shoved Uma in a locker when I was 9... sometimes I pick my nose-"
46:30
"It's because Cinderella said her angry word."
33:35 wait this shot of Audrey is literally GORGEOUS, how have I never seen it before
It's really sweet that you're sponsoring The Cameron Boyce Foundation. I grew up watching Jessie, so hearing that he died was a gut punch to me.
In my freshman year, I was in a school musical of this movie. I played a royal student extra, and my costume consisted of a blue polo shirt with khakis. The number of Best Buy jokes I heard from my fellow ensemble members was probably in the thousands.
0:01 YOU LOOK SO GOOD i’m so obsessed with this makeup
I love how you had to time stamp the beginning the specify like she looks good at that exact frame lol
Omg i greep up on decendents
@@Valentineatelieryeah idk why everyone keeps doing that ??
Ben 100% has a villain kink and I 100% ship him with Carlos
He's mostly got a bad girl fetish. I mean...Mal, Uma, Audrey from D3?
I loved that they had Brandy and Paolo as charming and Cinderella from Roger’s and Hammerstein’s Cinderella.
The fact that there IS even any fiscourse of Cameron Boyce's padding beibg mentioned is mind boggling. Like do they expect the series to ignore his passing? His death impacted so many so mentioning it WAS the most respectful thing to do.
What I love about your channel is that it's for adults and has adult humor without directing it towards the kid characters, which....way too many youtubers do.
athena thank you for feeding us
Comment are cook
She's so mother
Now I expect a full Monster High and Ever After High deep dive
In Rise of Red, I was expecting a twist that Cinderella was the one who made the prank, even if unknowingly. Firstly because it's make sense in a narrative way to have the main character being wrong about their very first guess, secondly because a big point of the movie was how different the parents were when they were younger and the "nice good parent did something bad in the past" is a classic, thirdly because when the villains take the book it's shown that they got immediatley frozen upon opening it because the spell Merlin put was to prevent the book from falling into the wrong hand. Implying that EVEN WITHOUT RED AND CHLOE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROZEN. Not only that, they were able to get the book so easily because of Red and Chloe. Before the freezing I was fully expecting a "them going back in time was always meant to happen/time fixed itself" twist. Then the villain got frozen and I was like "Oh so we'll reveal that the person who pranked Bridget was one of the good guys, likely Ella, and it was like a misunderstanding but Bridget never got to realize it because she had turned to evil". And the fact they went back before the dance (which now I see you mentionning it, I understand better why the ending felt so unsatisfying) kinda pushed that narrative more, like, they go back to the present, see things haven't changed, go back in time, and at the dance they realize what truly happenned, and fix the misunderstanding/error in the past with good old communication. This movie just needed ten more minutes.
At least the songs were fire
When ella asked Bridget to go to the dance I was like 😃🏳️🌈 and then it never panned out to any thing I was like 🙁
@@mentallyillbean for reaaaal
for a minute at the start when we see Bridget having beef with Ella I was like "omg they were in love but things didn't work and now their daughters will fall in love". Then I remembered it was Disney.
1:41 WILD CRATTS SIGHTED!
Mothertena gave us a sneak peak 😩
MOTHERTENA PLEASE WILD KRATTS LORE VIDEO AND MY LIFE IS YOUUUUURS
Mother Athena has fed us to the brim once again
FINALLY somebody acknowledges the House of mouse cartoon with Hades and Maleficent
Fun fact: in House of Mouse, Hades did have a crush on Maleficent. It was the plot of one episode!
Audrey’s screams of frustration being bested in knight falls should be an oddly satisfying compilation imo
R.I.P to Cameron I watched a lot of Disney channel as a kid and he was a big part of my childhood. All the love goes out to his friends and family and to the charity❤️
"How do they know about the kids' existence?"
It's explained in the prequel book, Beast and Belle sent Yen Sid from Fantasia to the Isle to see how things were going and he wrote back that all the villains had kids now
NO F-ING WAY.
I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS!!!
AND ON THE BIRTHDAY OF MY SISTER WHO GOT ME INTO THIS FANCRISE, EVEN BETTER!!!
SHARING THIS WITH HER NOW!!!
22:57 “welcome back Heather Chandler” *GASP* HEATHERS REFERENCE!
It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize it wasn't the "kingdom of Oregon".
Fun fact, Maleficent actually had a reprise of Evil Like Me that got cut from the Coronation scene!
ALL PRAISE ATHENA QUEEN OF DISNEY LORE
Lore period
ALL HAIL THE LORE QUEEN
Mal is literally a powerful witch dragon fairy demi-god queen. Weirdly not a Mary Sue, tho
A Mary Sue she is definitely not! As powerful as she is she still can’t stop making a mess of things hahaha
@@AthenaPOfficialprobably better that she isn’t
We love a flawed queen
44:22 not sure if everyone knows, but Brandy and Paolo also played cinderella and prince charming in the 1997 rodgers and hammerstein Cinderella .. alongside Whitney Huston as the fairy god mother 🤭
I adored that movie as a kid and still do, its so cute that they brought them back together for this film 🩵💛
as soon as I saw them I came down to the comments to see if anyone else noticed this too. It made me pretty happy that they would use Brandy and Paolo for this as a nod to that not as well known version of cinderella.
Fun fact they also have a whole book series I remember the first one was called isle of the lost. It makes the lore even more confusing.
Not Chloe's wig changing every 10 secs 😭😭😭
I recall someone defending the fact that "Descendants" was originally a book series before the release of "Ever After High." They mentioned that the movie and the book were released within a month of each other, which was a significant achievement. However, it seems like Disney Channel attempted to gaslight people into thinking that "Descendants" had been a book series for a longer time, probably because of Disney's influence and financial power.
Descendants wasn’t a book series, but the franchise was conceptualized before EAH was a thing. It’s common knowledge when the books released and information you can easily find. Disney cannot bury when something was released. Everyone always harps on Descendants for “copying”. In reality the only thing the franchises have in common is the fact that they’re the children of fairytale characters and that they have purple hair main characters. Of course they also have the lesson that everyone should be able to chose their own path, however, their plots are extremely different. Descendants was also blamed for the cancellation when in reality it was bc of Mattel budget cuts. Yes it was because of them losing their Disney Princess deal, but Descendants had nothing to do with the cancellation. Both franchise could’ve coexisted and as a fan of both, I would’ve loved to see it!
I think that person was me lol. Idk where you saw it tho
There is no hererosexual explainaion for Mal and Evie's duet in the second movie
Okay, yeah, they're both bi.
I feel like most of the Descendents budget went into the outfits and props, they're fire
49:29 wait until you find out that his actor played Kevin Gnapoor in the first National Tour of Mean Girls. This is the second time this guy played a character who is just eternally nervous around women- 😭
OMG NO WAY
Listen… Athena….as a mother who’s had to rewatch paw patrol over and over and over again. PLEASE LOOK INTO THE LORE!
This may be a long shot but I randomly remembered Codename Kids Next Door and thought it would be fun to look into
Omg yes
yes!
cruella devil being in the top 4 most dangerous villains is so wild cause like yeah she was evil but like theres also 1.5 gods in hades and ursula, 2 genocidal war criminals in shan yu and the pocahontas villan whose name i cant remember, a baby kidnapper gaslighter and murderer in mother gothel, and an evil ghost manipulating voodoo king in dr facilier... and those are just off the top of my head
She wanted to kill puppies, pretty sure she fits in with the others
There’s also the racist genocidal murderer who also attempted to kill a baby and also practically tried forcing a woman to be his by sending her to be burned at the stake unless she chose him. In Frollo.
37:54 There's one part of their duet that has never sat right for me. Mal sings "You were never there / Guess you don't have a phone / You never called to say 'I miss you.'" Uh, yes Mal, he DIDN'T have a phone. While Auradon has modern technology, I don't think they ever showed anyone on the Isle of the Lost using a phone; not even a landline. I didn't notice any telephone poles and I don't really care to check. Hades' response is actually pretty fair: "Are you kidding? Is this a joke?" Until it's not: "You're stronger with those daddy issues." Uh, no Hades, that's NOT how this works. While both said some dumb stuff, Hades is still in the wrong here for purposefully neglecting his daughter. I am surprised that everyone is going nuts over the "Ja-laddin" lyric, yet I haven't heard anyone point out either of these lyrics.
D4 is one of those movies that grows on u after multiple rewatches for sure
Now that theres a lore on Descendants, i need a lore video on Zombies and i need Athena to rip the Aliens from the third film a new one
Yes, that would be an AWESOME idea.
You slayed that apple dance at the start I can’t even lie
The fact that Uma did the same thing to Mal that Mal did to Audrey honestly pisses me off whenever I rewatch the movies
Yep because the logic of "it's perfectly fine when the main character does it"
@@rosemary3029difference is that Mal and Ben are soulmates Ben and Audrey werent
I found it hillarious how the novels tried so hard to connect this movies to the original animated movies. Even explaining how some characters came back to life.
BTW, it would be awesome to see your analysis of the Aladdin show.
Ever After High did the concept so much better tbh.
Some of us speculate that morgie’s mom is the morgana from Sofia the first which makes that show canon
Rip Cameron, thank you for shedding light on his foundation. (He seemed like a kind person, I hope he’s resting in peace.)
everytime athena p posts im like "little treat from me?" thankyou tiny woman on my screen
37:57 i just love the fact that Hercules is now the canon cousin to Mal, if he could ride a Pegasus then boy can he ride a dragon 😊
Are we not gonna talk about how they brought some villains back from the dead to do these movies?
I love all of the Descendants movies. It has great casts and awesome music. The third and fourth one made me cry because Cameron Boyce's death was the hard part of the movies
🔥🔥🔥💖💖💖😭😭😭
I am so ready
I remember when the first movie came out, I was in my once upon a time phase, and kept being like “where’s Henry?” when Evie showed up
DUDE I’m suffering from intense OUAT brain rot right now 😭 I need Athena to cover it in a Camp or Cringe video someday because I think she’d have a lot of fun with it
37:59 - 38:07
It surprises me that Hades somehow pull her so effortlessly
YOU COULD TOTES ROCK THAT SHORTER CUT WITH THE FRINGE! Matter of fact if I watch the next video and you don’t have it I won’t be happy missy!
Thank youuuu!!! Gonna dye it in fall probably! Idk I change my mind all the time hahaha
I am making this comment before watching: I am pretty sure the biggest Disney crossover is actually Chibiverse. The biggest cartoon crossover as a whole may be the new Chip & Dale movie. OK. K.O. is also a show that has a ton of crossovers and might qualify.
Chibiverse is the closest we’re ever gonna get to a House of Mouse reboot. Much like how Jellystone is the closest we’re gonna get to a Cartoon Network City tv show. I only wish the live action shows like The Villains of Valley View had their own shorts.
Thank you for donating the ad revenue to the Cameron Boyce Foundation! A great way to honor his memory
WE ARE ROTTING TO THE CORE WITH THIS ONE!!! ♥️
You’ve got to read the books too, Captain Hook actually has 3 children, Gil has two brothers, Mal has a half-brother, and the movies regularly contradict the lore set up in the books in spite of the books having been written for the purpose of setting up the movies
Just finished the video: so glad that you are gonna read the books because it is very clear that the author was not given the full information of the overarching plot of the stories (or that they didn’t know what the next movie was gonna be about every time she was asked to write another) and the movies would just kinda ignore the books meaning the the author had to keep scrambling to make it all make sense (like Captain Hook having three kids that were all introduced in different canons) she even tried to make the Wicked World shorts work by including Jordan, Freddy, and CJ
I just rewatched this whole series with my mom and the teapot joke sent me 😂💀
The Best Episode of the Aladdin TV show is the crossover with the Hercules TV show. i would love Lore videos on both of them. Or even House of Mouse that show has some weird lore implication that this Channel was made for XD
7:34 THE FIRE EFFECTS I'M SOBBING
45:52 Such a missed opportunity to say stoppity.
"Introductory myself" Kronk is father
I actually love Opera! For anyone that reads a lot of online recipes or patterns (knit, crochet, whatever), that built in ad blocker is amazinggggg