This is What You MUST Pay Attention to in Poker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I'm going to show you what you MUST pay attention to if you want to win at poker.
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Preflop
1:44 - Flop
5:14 - Turn
7:59 - Hero’s Decision
8:54 - Reveal
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Bart, as someone that plays a lot of 2/5 this just reeked of an overly cautious AK player, one of those players that “hates AK,” explaining the slow play pre flop as well as the ridiculous jam on turn which I’m sure was played that way to “take it down” and not get sucked out on. You might ask: “what could even suck out on him given his holding” and you’d be right to ask it but I guarantee you that’s what was going through this guys head.
100% agree. I usually think Bart is pretty spot on, but not in this case . “Quality of the player” strongly favors a fold rather than a call.
I can't remember a time when I sat at a live 1-2 or 2-5 table and not heard someone complain about AK within a couple of hours. I used to play with a guy who just shoved pre with any AK 100% because he didn't want to play it and he couldn't fold it
Agree. They know the three bettor has a good hand, and limping with AK, especially in early position, they are hoping to catch someone three betting with AJ…. Against that player, the hero wins the hand on the flop comes no A or K…
It’s just a tighter players reaction to game with a lot of raising going on. It’s a trap
I agree see this all the time
Couldn't agree more. Villain is obviously terrible. But more obvious, and more relevant -Villain never has a terrible hand.
What caught my attention was the history of the villain folding to c-bets after the flop. That tells me he's not floating without Ax. The jam on the turn tells me AQs. Figure with AKs he would've re-raised pre.
I fold here 90% of the time. Seen lead jams here constantly with a/q, 9/10, k/9, j/9, pocket 5s. I don’t see big bluffs anymore (playing 2/5 twice a week for a year)
This is such an easy fold given all the details and how the hand unfolded. Calling is lighting money on fire and AK was the obvious hand for villain at these stakes with the pre flop action or lack there of.
People do that shit with any Ax of spades, most of which he beats and none of which he should be losing to given the limp call pre.
Problem is what bluff can villain have here? Limp/calling 3bet pre and call flop bet with one guy leave behind. He either has an A, a 9 or 67s and 78s. Also here mentioned that villain did a lot of limp folding pre and check folding a lot to cbet. Don't think this is the type of player that can show up with any bluffs + enough mergy jam to justify a profitable call.
I can't stress enough that all this analysis is great, but exploitative play in live cash will ALWAYS be the profit maker. The hand doesn't need to make sense to fold, only that folding to this type of villain will save you money.
Yeah. Unless the guy is a maniac, this is a fold Bart. The bad players at small stakes are generally passive calling stations who aren't over betting jamming turns with draws... they are check calling with 67s. The maniacs are easy to spot and the way the caller describes villain is not the description of a maniac. This is something that beats AJ all day.
Did you watch the video? Bart said Axss like ten times.
And most $2/5 players aren't jamming that big into that pot without a random monster hand or huge equity. Just tell yourself he probably hit something stupid on me and fold every time in this spot.
Bart isn’t saying he’s bluffing. That’s not the takeaway here.
Not surprised to see AK here, but I've seen other Ax make the same play. If I was stepping up in this game I would probably fold, but in my regular game I would call against certain players. Bart is smoking something if he thinks this is a snap call.
REALLY liked this break-down. Thanks, Bart and happy holidays !
The villain limped called 3b with AKs pre that makes him a super passive player and I don’t expect that kind of player to shove overpot with a draw. I am pretty sure his mentality here is he put hero on AK as well and want to freeroll him on the flush draw, period.
Yeah I was going to reply this is my take also. One reply was saying how players are evolving and limp calling AK in EP and in my experience its always been old tight passive regs who do this and have been doing things like this for the last 10 years. They don't wanna get felted with the parking lot hand or whatever they call it so they just wanna see a flop and if there is an A or a K on the flop then they will continue putting money in and if the turn is favorable they will wanna get all the money in especially if its a draw heavy board.
People limp in with AK all the time at Riverwind. That, and nobody ever overshoves pot as a bluff at this casino. I've learned that even if it makes 0 sense, treat all big bets as value even if the line makes no sense.
Also, if a passive player starts acting aggressive you just fold. This is poker 101, people who aren't aggressive don't shove without the nuts.
Very good points that ring true where I play.
Yeah I guessed AK right before the caller revealed it. Seemed like villain was going to limp reraise here against a single raise but with the hero 3-betting he decided to just call. Not really surprised by the reveal.
Ok on the reveal yea that’s what I thought dudes love to play ace king weird like that in love play passively preflop then go crazy on a ace high board
Ya..I know a couple players do that all the time
I like the new format intro, flop, turn, etc.
It is interesting that limp call 3-bet pre flop makes Bart want to call. I'd start by thinking loose passive player which yes means I'd intend to go 3 streets with AJ a lot but also very open to folding to aggression if it is out of character for them.
I think the misdirection by limping is underrated, especially against players who are savvy enough to read a lot into the limp, 3 bet call. You get them to totally disregard the strength of your actual hand and call off huge overbets and get paid off on monster hands.
Yup. I'm betting some more frequent limping with premiums is going to become standard in the next couple years, and its not going to be a sign of "the quality of player" as Bart puts it, but a way to seriously misdirect your opponent and keeping them from putting you on a good range
yeah except 65% of the time when you flop nothing and check fold to a flop bet
Give us examples of hands limp calling a 3bet is more profitable than raising first in
No, it's not. The villain played this absolutely horrendously and lost every dollar he won within a day.
@@Jermo484 How's that? He extracted maximum value and never put himself in a bad position. When "hero" raises to $125 he then has to 4 bet to what? $500, $600 and all worse hands fold, he only gets called when dominated.
this is a Fold in my 2/5 Games around here 100%. Games also got worse over the last 3y a lot, people don't have that much money to gamble off any more.
This reeks of someone with a nine afraid of the flush or a nutted flush who has the board covered. Goone’s video from CLP “making disrespectful folds” summarizes this perfectly IMO
Players are beginning to evolve, flatting or limping AK to exploit the current "squeeze-happy" zeitgeist in NLHU. Too many people nowadays rule out AK as a possible holding for an opponent who doesn't 3- or 4-bet pre-Flop. You can totally jiu-jitsu their aggression by slow-playing a strong hand.
I call them poker robots. I’ve been playing since 1984.
That's not an evolution, it's just bad
@@roushracinginc Being unpredictable is the goal. This hand is a great example where Hero (and Bart) discounted AK as a possibility. Aggro cowboys love to squeeze with secondary-strength hands like AJ, AT, KQ, and KJ. If we are talking 4-way, 5-way...yes, never, never slow-play AK. And this is more a cash-game gambit.
@@EricA-xd9fn Eric don’t feed the fish, let them look down on your play and take their money at the table. You are talking to a poker math robot.
@@markgothard7158 Thanks. It always makes me laugh inside when somebody I just stacked walks away carping about how I played my hand "wrong".
The caller described someone who could definitely just flat AK pre flop - or so it seemed to me.
The really interesting question was why would would an opponent make this crazy over bet? Bart seems think it should be a weaker ace with a flush draw most of the time. Maybe so In his experience, but in this instance?
It turns out the reason was the opponent believed he was up against another AK and could get all the money in on a free roll - and it makes perfect sense. Much more sense that some weaker ace with a flush draw. I am never calling in this spot without a definite read on an opponent.
I am starting to see preflop limp re-raise with premium hands more and more. And so as here, the limp-call to 3bet. This villain is said to have been doing a lot of limping, but absent that info, I would not necessarily take an early limp as sign of poor player. And depending on tendency, might assign v a narrower range.
Man this was an extremely tricky hand that limp was vicious lol
Oh never mind this hand is wild lol didn’t expect the shove I’d just fold not worth it lol
Snap Fold imo
My reads are getting a lot better.
I had AK.
He limp called a 6x reraise pre flop....AsKs, AsQs, are all over his range, the CO probably folded a KX hand, any under pair is rightly scared of the Ace on the flop....you said it yourself, I'd rather have AK here. The bluffs are just few and far between even the AK or AK off beats us...crying fold for me here...now granted too much of this play become exploitable but as you mentioned someone said in chat we can find a better spot with what is given pre flop action a weak kicker and terrible pot odds as you mentioned.
I was thinking he either had AK with the spade ace, or AA and played it crazy
I agree with Bart here. You never see people do this with 9x or a boat. Axss is so overplayed in these spots, same with combo draws. Were ahead most of the time.
I'm pretty much never calling here, I don't agree with the logic. How often do you see a player shovel nearly 300 bbs in to the pot with a worse hand than AJ here?
A very wild player might with any AX flush draw, but you'd know he was that type of player in 10 minutes at the table.
Limp calling pre depending on the villain could be as good as ace king lol I think if he had aces he maybe even flat given the action idk I like the flop bet but when he calls I’d be worried that’s my thoughts before hearing est of call
i like to check back on that flop with high frecuency in 2-5 games.
I see that you guys read better into villain than I do. My read was the utg bad player limp Called with a too pretty hand to fold like T9s og 98s. gladly playing it 4ways.. (not thinking about Mp and Co possible squeeze position).
Check/call makes sense there with a pair, hoping to hit 2pair or trips, to get paid by Ax, and pockets will probably slow down aswell on turns and rivers, giving the opportunity to bluff a hand like QQ.
I was really dead on T9s. Super afraid of the flush draw, and did not even want to think about it. He'll probably get paid by Ax anyway, but super afraid of spades.
my read was wrong, but I would folded turn cause I put him on T9s or 98s.. I feel like most players just want to check/call Ax that we beat.
The X factor in poker is how other people their hands - what hands they call with or raise with, or in this case limp/call a 3 bet. It’s impossible to game theory every single scenario with this dynamic in play. It’s also what makes poker a very interesting game.
Interesting hand
Easy lay down on the turn.
In my honest/humble opinion.. the 2/5 player may have noticed who the caller/hero was. He may have recognized him being a 1/2 (or 1/3) reg. He set up the trap-of-traps by playing AsKs a bit goofily (intentionally deceptive).
The villain wasn't slow playing Ace king. He limped it expecting a raise and then he would back raise But the 3 bet threw him off. I can get behind barts Is logic and most situations, But the caller mentioned that this guy had not been getting Out of line and was playing fairly passive. I just don't see that type of player 3X shoving without a without AK or AQ.
I felt like Asxs was the bottom of villains range. More likely to me that he has AsQs or AsKs or 9x. Lots of players shove to try to "win the pot right now". I'd rather play for stacks when I'm driving the bus and I'm somewhat confident that I have the best hand.
Of course you would rather get it in when you know you have the best hand lol
I could see 9T pulling this move all-in on the turn. He has trip nine's, trying to get value from villain, might take the pot down here or get value from any Ace.
Although I know that villain has AK, but I feel like 9T could also make this play. I just don't understand why villain would go all in if he has the potential nuts. I feel like if I was villain, I would have raised large here, not gone all in, although it worked out for villain.
This is an instafold for me. Hero is at the absolute bottom of his range, losing to almost every villain holding that makes sense except maybe KQs.
C’mon, most of the time when a recreational player cold calls a 3 or 4 bet, limp calls a squeeze and etc it just screams AK
I’d fold turn unless I had read that opponent likes to get crazy. In my experience at 2/3 400 these overbet shoves are crap players that just don’t know what to do so they get the money in
the call in the middle of the 3! and the pre-flop raiser is just always AQs+, I liked the hand pre and flop, but on the turn I'm straight up, like, this dooooood never has a worse kicker, unless he has Axss and even then, like, A10ss overcalling in between from a passive player???
I think AQ would be a bit of a cooler and too strong maybe, AK is a snap, AJ is just a bluff catcher and he never has a bluff for 3x the pot. Even if he does good luck to him and his family, i'll catch him next time.
the casual -300bb blunder vs a bad player... nice, the problem is the guy is so passive it's going to take you a month playing live vs him everyday to get your WR back vs that archetype, you will beat him back for it in the long run but its gonna be a LONG run, unless you make the same mistake against him and he's killing you
A brilliant play making hero think he is crazy.
Never seen a passive players make this move without the big Ace here. Very often I am seeing recs limping AA, AK, KK, QQ and calling 3bs.
Damn must be a great game to be in if people are limp calling AA wow
@@pdxshredder6883 it sucks for aggressive players. Especially when it goes limp, AA limps, limp, I raise with QQ, call, call, AA calls, fold.......
The board is low and I value own myself.
The thing is overall they lose with AA playing this way. They win only against aggressive players much like we win against maniacs by XCing down with anything reasonable.
@@FuzzypupPoker How does that suck? Sounds like you lost the minimum. If they are playing AA optimally then you would be all in pre.
@@pdxshredder6883 Not true. What is the counter to the maniac? Calling down with reasonable ranges.
If they play passive vs a solid player with premium hands in spots they shouldn't limp we are effectively the maniac.
As bad as this player is if he 3bs or 4bs us it's a much easier play because they are not balanced.
The problem is when it is a multiway table and they make this play in the middle of the pack. How can we possibly guess this guy limped AK there, it limped after a limper with AA then just flatted a raise with people behind. We can't.
Go back to Theory of Poker.
##Fundamental Theorem of Poker##
Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all your opponents' cards, they gain; and every time you play your hand the same way you would have played it if you could see all their cards, they lose.
This is different if you are heads up playing them. You can exploit it.
So if you can isolate them alone you can beat them by bluffing with small bets or stacking then with strong hands when you are sure they have 2nd best by overbetting. But in multiway pots? Tough because you can range them on limped AA behind a limper that then calls your raise cold with limpers left to act.
Over the years I have value owned myself more times than won money from them in multiway pots.
Tricky OMCs still win with this type of play but don't win as much or they wouldn't do it. While solid players make way more money with a more positive EV kind of play.
This doesn't mean that a solid player shouldn't limp AA at times but when we do it we have a more +EV reason to do it.
Their style of play is just less +EV than ours by a good margin but not negative EV. Plenty of OMCs make 2bb/hr live.
I still don't see how we can write off T9s and 98s, as well as potential offsuit variants. Weak players will put in sizable portions of their stack preflop (regardless of position) to try and see flops with these kinds of hands. Villain never made a raise pre, so I'd be much more worried about 9x holdings than AQ/AK.
Limp floating big 3b=strong and open calling 3b = structure hand, that’s my assumption on most of the passive players
A rare case where my instincts disagree with Bart’s. But he does have way more experience than me :)
I see AK limp call all the time at 1-3… I know this is 2-5 but down south where I’m playing 1-3 plays more like a 5-5 or 5-10 and 2-5 plays like a 5-10
So i completely understand Bart, but I agree with people who said “I can find a better place”. I could play the nuts this same way, let him play into me like this when I have the nuts.
I check flop all day here
Those pot odds have to favor fold. Yes the player is bad, but limp calling 3 bets pre does not then imply he also over bluffs when lead shoving 3x pot on turn. Yes he's bad but you don't know what kinds of bad yet
Im surprised Bart didn’t talk about the 3B sizing. I think a 3b to 85-100 is good 120 is too big imo
BTN 3-bets should be polarized if you want to have a BTN call range, BTN and BB usually use bigger sizing because of that.
Bart I love the content. But your out to lunch on this one. Taking Aj 2 or 3 streets in a 3 bet pot that hero went 6x 3bet in position. Calling here is a massive punt zero chance villain has enough bluffs if any. If you get any call on this flop your beat like 80- 90% of the time
I called AK for the villain right away. I see players UTG limp calls like this all the time. I don't even bet the flop because this line is so likely. It's clearly a bad call. Axs folds pre-flop.
Pocket 5s?
"Win, like like win, like win, W-I-N-D." It's okay to pronounce the 'd' in "wind."
I don't think the advice of never folding is correct, especially to a guy that limp folds to c beats on the flop. What does my opponent in the worst case scenario think I'm holding to Jam on a paired board with kickers in play. He thinks I have AQs at best.
The trouble is that opponent has limp called two raises preflop and a flop bet with an ace on the flop. Hardly anyone is that much of a calling station unless their hand is very strong.
Sure this opponent's line is silly but AJ is not very strong. I think you can fold here.
LFG!
I have seen people limp/call AK no less than 10 times this week alone. Why is everyone playing AK so passively pre-flop today? I also see people limping AA at least twice/session.
I see a lot of players limping and then cold calling three bets with AK. I can’t think of anything else the villain could have, actually. He’s be a reg is a lot of games I see
I’m so confused, called said there’s a $1k cap but then it’s $1600 effective?
1k cap buyin. Obviously you stack up as you play.
6:09 _there is no way in. hell that I am ever going to fold here_
9:04...sigh, sigh..._hmm, uhm...So, we are getting sort of half right here_
If the villain is a spot, there has to be a better spot to catch the guy than AJ for a 3x jam
This is a cash game. Of course there’s a better spot. But if you lose in a marginally +EV spot then you can just rebuy lol.
I'm folding in this spot all the time. I can't see how villain would be bluffing with less than A10 after limp calling a 3 bet as a SB. Hero also said he plays like a weak nit so you have to be aware if a player like this donk shoves.
Bad players typically do not shove air. Oddly it almost appears as a protection bet fearing spades holding a weak ace or 9x.
Iono man. It appears the villain had an extremely good read. He got the hero to call all in as a large overbet while holding the best hand and the spades.
I think after the 3bet call and the flop call you might need to consider the fact you are behind. It's quite likely it's top top. Like very likely. What's he floating? 9's? 5's? After the turn, it's not 9s hardly ever. So what? He's doing this with an extremely weak suited ace?
If you're holding AK upfront and your opponent takes the line they have its very plain to see they have a weaker ace and was squeezing.
Hero got played like a fiddle imo. I also think his retrospect telling himself it was a bad call is correct.
The turn totally looks as though he's trying to rep the 9s on a bluff. He knows you don't have a 9. How does hero have a 9? He's beating every hand you'd 3bet with with the exception of AA which he blocks. Dude got took hard. Like hard.
I can't call 1500 with one pair
Problem is the cap.
It was caller who was punting here (and not the V). V was just playing as smart as it gets: He knew that his opponent was a 🐠 of the highest order a 🐳. A calling station! So, the guy made a plan, and exploited it big time. Good for him!
ok so what exactly do I _need_ to pay attention to?
The video titles on this channel are always bluffs
Jesus it’s the fact that he limp cold called 3 bets preflop
@@CrushlivePoker Only 🐟🐟🐟 call 3x overbet with a top pair with zero reading!
Idk, this was screaming ak aq to me. The limp call pre was a major red flag. He also could have had 99-aa pre. Limp call a 3bet pot with 2? to act after, is screaming trap. I would expect him to show up with aces 20% of the time.
But I cant lie, I am going to make a crying call there. Even though I know, I cant help but to know.
Isn’t that what a bad player does? Limp calls oop then goes crazy on turn or river after the board pairs or a 3 card flush is out there? Seems silly to think aj is good here because it’s such a bad way to play ak suited here lol
I think hearing a player at Bart's level saying he's "never folding" to a 3x pot size overbet shove when he has maybe 4% equity and is drawing nearly dead is a good reason to consider "misplaying" AKs preflop sometimes
Great point. Have you ever wondered if the phrase "those who can't play, coach" applies to poker? Why would a high level player start coaching when they can print money playing?
I’m confused and this is why I haven’t watched these blogs in (6) months they always confused my play... I’m sticking to Rob Tucker playing no limit as a business
@@brianwilson7624 That's your takeaway from your situation? Let's discuss why your "making" less and giving up your benefits to play poker. Good luck when variance hits and you go from 40+ to negative 120 an hour. Btw, there's a reason you don't see Phil Ivey giving poker lessons.
Calling the pre flop 3 bet should have had every warning siren go off in your head jmo
Hofw often does h hae AQ+ in this hand pre? I just cant see it. You lost but mostly youll win. Dont worry about it. Move on
Tricky villain, absolutely abused the thinking players predictable logic-train.
Limping with all unpaired hands is very common at low stakes. Pro coaches say low stakes is no different but always range out AK if there was no preflop raise or reraise from the hand. It may be incorrect, but it is often the norm.
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It’s still a great call.
Shouldn’t a “bad player” have more 9x and big Aces here? I fold the turn near 100%. People don’t really overbet shove like this at low stakes.
You *should* raise less wiyh AJ vs AJs, surely?
I’m not calling a $1400 shove with my hand on this board into a pot of $585. This guy is pretending to have a draw, but either has a 9, AK, or 55. At the very least, he has a flush draw which still has decent equity against our hand. If he has a small ace he can still hit a lot of cards to tie.
The guy has something. We don’t beat much value. Fold.
I'm folding. My vilains always beat AJ here.
Just keep talking, Bart. I am a Sponge
I play in OK as well. And this is exactly the type of play someone holding 9x will make. The rooms around here are like the wild west. So many bad players who just get stupid lucky. We have one guy who plays the 2/5 game at my local casino. He will raise pre-flop $100-250 with anything. The only time I played 2/5 he was there. So I decided to wait and just jam on him with premium holdings. I finally get AKs and jammed against him. He called with K2o for around $500 effective. Flop was blank, blank, 2. Turn was a blank, River was a 2. So I rebought thinking "he just got lucky there. If I continue to play conservative and only play premium hands I'll take down some major pots against this guy. A bit later I had TT. He opened for $250. I jammed over him for $400. He's holding A4o. Flop has an A and no T's come. I buy in 1 last time for $300. A few hands in I get KQh. He opens for $250 again. I jam for $300. He flipped 75o. Board is all low cards. Paired him up and moved my last bit of money for the night over into his stack.
I don't know a lot about this guy. But I've seen him at my card room a few times now. Everyone keeps telling me he is a WHALE. They say he has millions of dollars. And I can believe it. I've seen him buy-in for max buy-in. Push all-in. Lose. Buy-in again. Push all-in. Lose. Rinse and repeat 9 or 10 times. Then he finally won 2 in a row. That's when he settled down and started raising pre-flop every hand. Right now I'm just trying to build up a big enough bank roll to buy into that 2/5 game and take some of this guy's money. Last time I moved up from 1/2 with about $600 in my stack. I had no idea what I was getting into. Now that I know what I know about this guy. I'm going to go when I have at least 3 buy-in's and play this maniac. If all goes well I could have a 10k night. Or I could get my world wrecked.
Locals call the place never win
Who TF limps with Ak suited, gets raised and just calls. What a fish
gotta disagree here think there is really no point in calling don't think you're ahead too often and opponent will most likely have a lot of equity when ur ahead. The 3x pot is just never a bluff lol even from manics and this guy is clearly not even one of those... obviously you snap to up to 1.5x pot but when it gets over that on a donk turn shove think it gets really dicey
I am Bart's speech therapist. Can we all agree he belongs in cartoon film as a voice actor?
That was a resounding no.
@@hogi99 You're too young for this channel
@@careersinaminute Your comments went over like a lead balloon.
NOT half right.... simple FOLD