Bart, I play a lot of 1/3 NL in the Philly area and I can tell you that it is extremely rare to find any players in the pool polarized on the River. For this reason I rarely make hero calls at these stakes because they always have it.
Bart, I've watching close to every video you've put out for the last few years. You have always been professional and respectful. I've never heard you talk down to anyone. Even in the times where the caller/situation might warrant a little laughing by the audience, you have always appeared to choose your words carefully trying not to Insult. The fact you have to qualify the description of the word "spaz" shows how this PC movement is out of control. I know you qualified it for the same reason you choose your words carefully, out of respect. It just seems crazy you have to. As a long time follower of your stream, and many others, you are one of the most professional in your approaches. If someone has accused you of using terms in a disrespectful way- they clearly don't watch alot of your content.
A8 is one of the only reasonable hands V can have. 22 would for sure check the turn. But V has waaaaaay too many bluffs here to fold river after calling turn.
Not sure of the result, but I lean towards hero calling. I expect the villain to check an ace almost always. So this is usually an 8+ type hand or a missed draw. A lot of players slow play trips or a boat at these stakes, so in this spot I probably just sigh call.
Hey Bart. Thanks for reading the comment about using the word spazz. I know what you mean - a lot of people use it, spazzing out, but I imagine people these days call Q3 suited the gay waiter a lot less now for example. It’s just a bit outdated in 2022, and when other terms are available, it just seems the route of least resistance not to use a term that can be taken offensively by so many. Obviously at the end of the day you do you, I’ll continue to sub and watch either way as you produce great content.
U guys need a safe space and a tissue????? Poor things.... ever heard sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me???? Let me guess u are part of the rainbow mafia???????
I probably would have folded as well. However, the analysis helped me understand why villain donked the turn. Hero's small flop bet induced a large blocker/bluff donk bet, that sets up a massive bluff or a massive value bet on the river. Interesting play by villain, but I wouldn't recommend doing it very often.
Spaz is not an offensive term. It does not refer to any specific disease. It’s short for spasm, which is simply a muscle moving uncontrollably. Anyone who says it is, I have a non PC name for.
At low stakes donk bets usually are draws or weak hands, if he was semi bluffing on the turn, now he is bluffing his busted draw when a scary card like K or A hits the river... there are many more other diamond combos than Ax like 6-7 (that justify his call on the flop)... you know his range is very wide pre-flop, and your small c-bet and donk bet call show that you have something, but not so strong, which induced his bluff on the river... maybe raising the turn was better, as played I'd fold to a diamond on the river... but not to an Ace or King! cause 1: at low stakes people overbluff on those "scary cards", 2: donk bets are almost always a sign of weak hands/draws. 3: the player is loose, his range is wide. 4: you revealed to the opponent the strength of your hand by c-bet small, and only calling a donk bet... you were weak on the flop, passive on the turn and on the river you folded cause you looked at the cards only and not the player's actions... and if you only play the cards, you can't play anything other than the nuts...
Bart I just want to know your advice or if you would make a video on it for going on a down swing. I’m only a 1-3 player but I’m on a 2k down swing right now and I know I’m not a terrible player cause I have had plenty of winning sessions and streaks. But it just seems like I just keep running into the nuts or keep getting coolers
Volume cures variance. If you are truly playing perfectly, then the downswing will end soon enough. Volume doesn't cure variance if you aren't winning as much (or even losing) as you think you are. So I'd encourage you to share your hands with peers/coaches/feedback to get other perspectives in case you are making blunders. Keep your head up!
@@Eastcoastwes92 I mean obviously I’m not playing “perfect” nobody does but I’m making the right moves at the right time or when I’m ahead and they just seem to get there
When she was done listing his bluffs, I’m thinking what about 5d7d, makes sense. Semi hopeless call on flop because of small sizing then picks up buckets of hope on the turn. Lucky guess I suppose but he has way too many diamond bluffs to fold here.. and you don’t see players at this level value shoving Adxd as Bart points out.
Same. I thought when she finished the bluffs she could put him on I thought "What about 75dd?" Still don't know if I could have made the call, but busted diamond draw was a logical conclusion, or a pair of Aces he's turning into a bluff
i dont play live but TT isn't strong enough to weak bet the flop, i'd half pot flop and shove vs turn donk. Have to keep stack sizes in mind when playing, you've put yourself in a bad spot with the tiny flop bet. If you had AA/KK then you could induce with a weak bet. Turn you are against 9x and draws more than 8x, once you call every river is a scare card, Not only is every river a scare card but you are in the guessing spot and you are bound to guess wrong and be tilted from it.
At low stakes, should bet sizing be a reliable indicator of V’s calling strength? Like, does villains range change that much if the flop bet was 50-70 instead of 20? I feel like at low stakes that entire aforementioned range calls regardless of bet size. The only impact I can see of a Larger flop size is that V might be more discouraged to donk turn, but they most likely would’ve donk jammed River with their flop calling range anyway. All that to say, villain shows up here with their hand at the same frequency regardless of the flop bet size, so would River be a call 100% of the time regardless of the flop sizing?
No, I think he may fold the gut shot draw to a 2/3+ bet otf. She invited the call by better small, then he picks up a flush draw and decides to go with it all the way, whether or not he gets there. But he knew he couldn’t show down with 7 high so it was a good move with high fold equity against a scared tight player. That, and females tend to get bluffed at more often from what I’ve seen.
Made the same comment on yesterdays video… those turn leads or like yesterday c/r on 2 flush turns are so often combos especially live and lower stakes. Yesterdays was 5/10/20 but live doesn’t represent skill as much as finances.
I just check the flop here and plan on calling the turn and most rivers. Playing pot control helps avoid tough spots like this and keeps his range wider. Given the read you have, the drawy nature of the board, and the strength of your hand, this line keeps you from getting blown off
I think that's a nice adjustment vs loose aggressive villain. We want to polarise and not merge/depolarise (unless we're gritting teeth and merge calling down)
@@wilsonvinas5906 First off, your hand is likely to only get 2 streets of value unless it improves b/c if 3 streets go in you're likely beat. Now lets looks at villain's range. He's pretty wide as he's calling OOP but I think we can eliminate most overpairs as he would 3 bet these PF. Maybe he flats JJ some time but not very likely. His most likely hands are single overcard hands like Axs, KQ/JQs, KJ T9, 98s, 97, J9s, T8s, 87s, 86s, and a bunch of other hands that have minimal equity (2 undercards to the board). Any hand with 2 overs isn't folding to your bet. Since you have 2 Ts in your hand it greatly reduces the numbers of gutters and OESDs b/c most of these hands need a T. Another benefit of holding 2 Ts is that when your opponent holds one of the drawing hands that does not contain a T, they likely need a T to complete their hand. The read is that your opponent is a LAG and your hand is strong enough where you want to get to showdown so you don't want to be put into a situation where your going to fold. Your hand is also not strong enough where you want to play for stacks. Since your opponent is a LAG, whatever value you lose by checking the flop will likely be recouped when he bets the turn and river with a wider range and you get to pick off a bluff. The other point is that villain could easily have 8x and you're drawing close to dead. Since you're not looking to play for stacks but you want to get to showdown, the question becomes how best to do it. If the player was more passive and straight forward, you could just bet the flop and turn with a plan on checking the river but against this type of player I'd prefer to check the flop and let him bet the turn and river, betting any street if checked to
9:25 _I'd call here for the reasons I just stated_ And what are the reasons? I listen 3 times, and now giving up. What I've got is that's "*because V is polarized and that's not allowed in Small stakes*"? . V could have 8Tdd, 8A, 8*** any.
* I don't know the outcome * When in doubt, strongly consider inviting a stragler into the pot. Even the LAGiest opponents tend to be a little less aggressive in multiway pots.
Some guys try to run over women as well as the small flop bet. I play online with a girls name because of how bad small stakes players play against women. Most either try to run you over and some of them can't stand being raised by a woman and don't want to ever be bluffed by a woman. Then there are the players that will flirt with you and will not raise you when they should the will not bet at you as much. They don't want to take your money they want to take you out on a date or at least flurt with you. They want you to saty at the table. Then there are the players that believe every time you bet or raise you must have it because girls are not capable of bluffing and being aggressive onless they have it. That's most players there are some who will play correctly against you depending on ranges, tells, players type (you and them) extra. These players are rare at micro and small stakes. The bigger you play the more of them there are. I have never played high or super high stakes but I would imagine at those stakes there the norm.
Stopped 7:35 I would call and almost snap call. The turn donk is very indicative of picking up a flush draw, and the thinking river shove with the A at lower stakes is so often a bluff for the missed flush draw. Even AdXd, isn't likely to shove, and that's about the only hand that beats you. Foe will have 7d6d, 7d5d, JdTd, QdTd, QdJd, 6d5d here as well. Hand reads as a draw that picked up equity on the turn, then bluffed at the scare card on the river.
had similar feeling, but didn't see the lower versions there. Thought it was QdJd KdJd QdTd JdTd KdTd, along with some JQo with gutshot/overs (less likely, put possible depending on how aggressive) as a bunch of bluffs, and not that many AdXd, as he could just check when he hits the ace, and could/should 3-bet a lot of those preflop. although I didn't count those, the lower combo draws make sense for similar reasons.
I was in a similar spot, and for all the reasons Bart mentioned, I called a $300 all in on the river where the other player just had me covered. Only thing is, in my case I was wrong and I got stacked. So you never know.
So the way my hand went down, it was a $10 bomb pot at 1/3. I got dealt QJ and the board was Q63ss. Got checked to me and I bet $40 everyone folds except the player on my right who check raised to $100. I called to evaluate and the turn was off suit ten. Now he checks so I check back. River was an offsuit 8 and now he shoves. Looked bluffy and all draws missed, but he flopped bottom 2 and it held
@@jolaz69 your problem started when you called flop raise. He put a scare in you, and you admitted it by calling raise and checking back turn. If you called "to evaluate", then why didn't you ram the turn after he checked it?? Or: no calling river shove. Top pair is good 2% of time against river shove in small stakes, unless you're against bluff. It's a bomb pot!! V could have literally anything...including flush, sets, two pairs... . So: you made multiway mistakes...no wonder your stack suffers.
I play 1-3 semi professionally. Small bet on flop killed you. The tank shove was him processing the ace as a good bluff card. I predicted 5-6 diamonds. Was close. After flat flat def seemed like a weak draw and then a redraw. Greta vid.
I checked raised all-in pre flop with 7-2 and folded on the river because I knew he was bluffing from the way he was eating his cookie. Ever since the, they call me 'The Champ'.
He could be donking 80 with a 9 since you bet small on the flop and the turn was an undercard a 9 makes a lot of sense too. Realistic hands are an 8, a turned diamond draw, and a 9. 80$ is a call on the turn and evaluate a river. Safe rivers include cards like 2-8 no diamond and K,Q. On all safe cards you should be river and on dangerous cards you should either check call depending on sizing or check fold.
When he ships river I would lean towards a call, it is bluffy and considering the Ace could be a holding of his where he should get value it looks like he is using it as a bluff.
You can’t induce a wide range of calling hands by betting small on the flop, and then fold river here especially with a scare card out there and lots of turn draws.
Didn't she start off by saying that he blind calls the button straddle? Did he actually look at his cards preflop on this hand? I was not clear on that and if he did not look, it makes a big difference on what he could have. I would call off his river shove with tens every time if he went to the flop without looking.
Against this player, im just gonna call turn, call river, and hope. If he checks river, I check back an ace and try for thin value on other rivers… This villain is likely to be an over-bluffer-you unblock diamonds, you do block some missed straights, but not others.
The turn bet lead just feels like a diamond draw. And I’d rule out villain having an A since they didn’t 3 bet pre-flop if they are loose aggressive. FWIW
I read it as 67 suited on flop call, and 67d when he led out on turn. Felt pretty smart when it was 57d. Tough spot based on the dollar size, but easy call based on the flop call
When he donk bets the turn and she did not fold or raise he correctly put her on a over pair but not aces. Any Ax except diamonds suited may fold on a turn and he blocks that combo. So representing an Ace on the river makes sense.
i thought he had an AX diamonds, hit the A, and tried to make it look like he missed a flush.. thats my thinking..not sure its correct.. calling it based on just the hand..i fold... see if thats an oops..
Not gonna lie. This guy played the hand exactly the way I would have If I had an 8 in my hand. Well except idk if I would ship all-in on the river. A lot of the time I'll do a 3/4 to pot size bet. It seems just strong enough but it could also be a bluff. And a lot of the time I get calls by doing this. I might also play 5,7d the exact same way though. Idk. The A might scare me into check folding the river. It just depends on if I think my opponent is holding an A or not.
Some Low-stakes players will close the action with almost anything. (Especially if they're blind calling OOP) So all 16 combinations of 67 are in his range. Same with J7 and QJ
Villain recognizes Hero doesn't have much Ax in her range other than some diamond combos. Calling the turn donk looks like a 9 or an overpair or a good draw in villain's eyes. The shove on the river by villain is a good play as long as he doesn't pick every bluff combo he got here with. Getting almost 2:1 on a call, not blocking diamonds, and beating all bluffs, this is a sigh call.
In small stakes poker, there is absolutely no reason to be making hero calls on large river bets. You could play your hand pretty much face up and still make money at the 1-3 table.
Very nice thought process Bart Agreed can’t fold any pair here not to a dude overbetting who played any 2 blind pre. Also the comment about the spazz possibility is so true especially with less experienced players you make such a small size that KQs looks pretty good I assume an in experienced player would have a hard time folding anything to such a small size that they believe can improve I’ve done this small sizing and ran into spazz spots a lot which is why I can say that def adds bluff combos in any river decision
Ya there is no way a rivered Ax hand is like "oooh an ace.." jam! You gotta stick with your equity and make the call whether the river is a 9 or J or A. Not a terrible fold.
She knows that he knows it's unlikely that she has an Ace so she is aware that its pretty much mandatory bluff spot if he holds two diamonds (blocking Ax of diamonds which is pretty much the only A combo she can have). IF she has a diamond in her hand its closer, but having no diamonds its a clear call vs an aggressive opponent.
The key thing in this whole analysis to me is when she says "he thinks about it for like 10 seconds and then ships it". That pause is NOT insignificant. Would an A or an 8 need to pause here? That's really sus. An Ace or an 8 is a "nothing to think about" ship it situation. If you have an 8 yourself oh well, that's the way most villains would think here. He has a whole lot of busted flush draws, 9s, overcards and underpairs that could easily ship it here. Not an easy call but that pause would have pushed me over the edge. If it's a reverse tell, oh well. Most players aren't thinking like that.
Bart, why don’t you explain how it can be good for the game or good for either blind when there is a silly button straddle rule that makes the blinds act first? You gloss over that as if it is not an incredibly stupid rule
The comments here are somewhat of a mystery, maybe we are playing a different game but in the bay area the local cash games play very very straight forward, if they have a draw like a flush draw they want to check call usually and they'll usually die with it, if they have big pp they rush to get their money in, if they hit top pair any board any texture they rush to get All the money in am I painting a pretty clear picture yet? They will die with anything, any pair or good draw whatever they don't care they are there to gamble more than anything. To succeed at low stakes it's pretty simple, bet your big hands and be patient, otherwise variance and house rake will kill you. But remember, don't bluff these people! Bet big hands be conservative, you are never outplaying a 5-200 player they're not thinking about anything but their hand, that's it! It's simple.
FYI: A "spaz" used to be used in pretty much the same way as "gay". To the best of my knowledge it's a pejorative reference to a person whose limbs often move in a jerky fashion. (See: "Spastic") Verdict: Though I'd opt for a synonym, I don't think tossing this word into a poker conversation is a hanging offense. By the way, if "spaz" is really that bad the next word to go just about has to be spew(y).
I don't think spaz is offense at all...especially when certain players are labeled as maniacs in poker terms. Lol...I've made a lot of money from maniacs learning when to call from them. 😆
Hmmm. Maniac. You're right. That sounds offensive too. Mania is not a laughing matter. I don't think we should be calling people maniacs any more. It's very hurtful.
I typically play the role of the aggressor. So I would often time raise with that Ace representing it, just because she played it like she had an overpair like 9. Also statistically this would be a better position as small blind to take the BB for a ride
Yeah, min-raise this donk on the turn then check back the river when he bricks his 56 of diamonds or whatever. As played can't fold river because he has at least as many weird gutshots as aces and weird nut hands.
Hero- “villain can be really wide. He can have 8 2 suited.” Then proceeds to change logic on river when counting bluff combos. If he’s lose he can have 16 combos of Q J and another 16 combos of 7 6 off. Too many combos of bluffs.
If you play at the smaller stakes of live No Limit, how often do you find the players in your game polarized on this river?
Bart, I play a lot of 1/3 NL in the Philly area and I can tell you that it is extremely rare to find any players in the pool polarized on the River. For this reason I rarely make hero calls at these stakes because they always have it.
Very high frequency. But I'm playing regularly in Prague with almost all euro players.
On a daily basis, they have the world 🌎 or nothing. These players bet to bet. They think 🤔 aggression is a must at all times
@@TheMl42282 That would still suggest polarization but the pool is way more skewed towards value.
My rule at 1-3 is that if you've never seen bluff river shoves from a player, assume he has near nuts.
Can't believe Vanessa selbts is playing 1-3 now
Best comment hands down
Hahaa.
If only she would be so humble
😂😂😂
I am dead. Fuck dude. 😂😅🤣
Funny....
I was thinking of the crewcut at my local casino
You’ve been on a role plzzzz keep posting I look forward to it every day no joke
Everyone is forgetting the fact that this guy limped in blind. His range consists of any two cards
Bart, I've watching close to every video you've put out for the last few years. You have always been professional and respectful. I've never heard you talk down to anyone. Even in the times where the caller/situation might warrant a little laughing by the audience, you have always appeared to choose your words carefully trying not to Insult.
The fact you have to qualify the description of the word "spaz" shows how this PC movement is out of control. I know you qualified it for the same reason you choose your words carefully, out of respect. It just seems crazy you have to. As a long time follower of your stream, and many others, you are one of the most professional in your approaches. If someone has accused you of using terms in a disrespectful way- they clearly don't watch alot of your content.
If anyone was offended, they will be ok. Most people grow out of being a spaz.......lol
@@robertw8897 Scornful insults, like greed, end with you lying in a puddle of your own feces in eternal Hell.
The problem is, that spaz/spastic in the UK is as strong of a term as "retard" in the US
A8 is one of the only reasonable hands V can have. 22 would for sure check the turn. But V has waaaaaay too many bluffs here to fold river after calling turn.
Not sure of the result, but I lean towards hero calling. I expect the villain to check an ace almost always. So this is usually an 8+ type hand or a missed draw. A lot of players slow play trips or a boat at these stakes, so in this spot I probably just sigh call.
Hey Bart. Thanks for reading the comment about using the word spazz. I know what you mean - a lot of people use it, spazzing out, but I imagine people these days call Q3 suited the gay waiter a lot less now for example.
It’s just a bit outdated in 2022, and when other terms are available, it just seems the route of least resistance not to use a term that can be taken offensively by so many.
Obviously at the end of the day you do you, I’ll continue to sub and watch either way as you produce great content.
Yes someone may think it’s just a word but you look ignorant nowadays if you use it.
U guys need a safe space and a tissue????? Poor things.... ever heard sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me???? Let me guess u are part of the rainbow mafia???????
@@Gos1234567 what a spaz comment
@@Gos1234567 horseshit. Grow some balls if everything offends you it’s your problem not mine
I probably would have folded as well.
However, the analysis helped me understand why villain donked the turn.
Hero's small flop bet induced a large blocker/bluff donk bet, that sets up a massive bluff or a massive value bet on the river. Interesting play by villain, but I wouldn't recommend doing it very often.
Who else like the show "Taboo" here? Tom Hardy is the nuts!
It got better once I turned the volume up and turned on closed caption
I'm a huge Tom Hardy fan, did you like The Revenant? Another really good Tom Hardy film that's a bit of a sleeper is The Drop.
Spaz is not an offensive term. It does not refer to any specific disease. It’s short for spasm, which is simply a muscle moving uncontrollably. Anyone who says it is, I have a non PC name for.
At low stakes donk bets usually are draws or weak hands, if he was semi bluffing on the turn, now he is bluffing his busted draw when a scary card like K or A hits the river... there are many more other diamond combos than Ax like 6-7 (that justify his call on the flop)... you know his range is very wide pre-flop, and your small c-bet and donk bet call show that you have something, but not so strong, which induced his bluff on the river... maybe raising the turn was better, as played I'd fold to a diamond on the river... but not to an Ace or King! cause 1: at low stakes people overbluff on those "scary cards", 2: donk bets are almost always a sign of weak hands/draws. 3: the player is loose, his range is wide. 4: you revealed to the opponent the strength of your hand by c-bet small, and only calling a donk bet... you were weak on the flop, passive on the turn and on the river you folded cause you looked at the cards only and not the player's actions... and if you only play the cards, you can't play anything other than the nuts...
Bart I just want to know your advice or if you would make a video on it for going on a down swing. I’m only a 1-3 player but I’m on a 2k down swing right now and I know I’m not a terrible player cause I have had plenty of winning sessions and streaks. But it just seems like I just keep running into the nuts or keep getting coolers
Volume cures variance. If you are truly playing perfectly, then the downswing will end soon enough. Volume doesn't cure variance if you aren't winning as much (or even losing) as you think you are. So I'd encourage you to share your hands with peers/coaches/feedback to get other perspectives in case you are making blunders. Keep your head up!
@@Eastcoastwes92 I mean obviously I’m not playing “perfect” nobody does but I’m making the right moves at the right time or when I’m ahead and they just seem to get there
When she was done listing his bluffs, I’m thinking what about 5d7d, makes sense. Semi hopeless call on flop because of small sizing then picks up buckets of hope on the turn. Lucky guess I suppose but he has way too many diamond bluffs to fold here.. and you don’t see players at this level value shoving Adxd as Bart points out.
Same. I thought when she finished the bluffs she could put him on I thought "What about 75dd?" Still don't know if I could have made the call, but busted diamond draw was a logical conclusion, or a pair of Aces he's turning into a bluff
i dont play live but TT isn't strong enough to weak bet the flop, i'd half pot flop and shove vs turn donk. Have to keep stack sizes in mind when playing, you've put yourself in a bad spot with the tiny flop bet. If you had AA/KK then you could induce with a weak bet. Turn you are against 9x and draws more than 8x, once you call every river is a scare card, Not only is every river a scare card but you are in the guessing spot and you are bound to guess wrong and be tilted from it.
It is easy to get drawn into scared hand thinking on paired boards, you see full houses and trips under the bed.
At low stakes, should bet sizing be a reliable indicator of V’s calling strength? Like, does villains range change that much if the flop bet was 50-70 instead of 20? I feel like at low stakes that entire aforementioned range calls regardless of bet size. The only impact I can see of a Larger flop size is that V might be more discouraged to donk turn, but they most likely would’ve donk jammed River with their flop calling range anyway. All that to say, villain shows up here with their hand at the same frequency regardless of the flop bet size, so would River be a call 100% of the time regardless of the flop sizing?
No, I think he may fold the gut shot draw to a 2/3+ bet otf. She invited the call by better small, then he picks up a flush draw and decides to go with it all the way, whether or not he gets there. But he knew he couldn’t show down with 7 high so it was a good move with high fold equity against a scared tight player. That, and females tend to get bluffed at more often from what I’ve seen.
Made the same comment on yesterdays video… those turn leads or like yesterday c/r on 2 flush turns are so often combos especially live and lower stakes. Yesterdays was 5/10/20 but live doesn’t represent skill as much as finances.
What does x chips effective mean?
Just how many chips you had to start the hand?
I just check the flop here and plan on calling the turn and most rivers. Playing pot control helps avoid tough spots like this and keeps his range wider. Given the read you have, the drawy nature of the board, and the strength of your hand, this line keeps you from getting blown off
I think that's a nice adjustment vs loose aggressive villain. We want to polarise and not merge/depolarise (unless we're gritting teeth and merge calling down)
Wouldn't you want to bet big on draw heavy boards to charge the draws and give them bad odds to call when you have something like an over pair?
@@wilsonvinas5906 First off, your hand is likely to only get 2 streets of value unless it improves b/c if 3 streets go in you're likely beat. Now lets looks at villain's range. He's pretty wide as he's calling OOP but I think we can eliminate most overpairs as he would 3 bet these PF. Maybe he flats JJ some time but not very likely. His most likely hands are single overcard hands like Axs, KQ/JQs, KJ T9, 98s, 97, J9s, T8s, 87s, 86s, and a bunch of other hands that have minimal equity (2 undercards to the board). Any hand with 2 overs isn't folding to your bet. Since you have 2 Ts in your hand it greatly reduces the numbers of gutters and OESDs b/c most of these hands need a T. Another benefit of holding 2 Ts is that when your opponent holds one of the drawing hands that does not contain a T, they likely need a T to complete their hand. The read is that your opponent is a LAG and your hand is strong enough where you want to get to showdown so you don't want to be put into a situation where your going to fold. Your hand is also not strong enough where you want to play for stacks. Since your opponent is a LAG, whatever value you lose by checking the flop will likely be recouped when he bets the turn and river with a wider range and you get to pick off a bluff. The other point is that villain could easily have 8x and you're drawing close to dead. Since you're not looking to play for stacks but you want to get to showdown, the question becomes how best to do it. If the player was more passive and straight forward, you could just bet the flop and turn with a plan on checking the river but against this type of player I'd prefer to check the flop and let him bet the turn and river, betting any street if checked to
I kind of agree that you don't see high frequency of big river bets at small stakes which takes marginal value out of the range.
9:25 _I'd call here for the reasons I just stated_ And what are the reasons? I listen 3 times, and now giving up. What I've got is that's "*because V is polarized and that's not allowed in Small stakes*"?
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V could have 8Tdd, 8A, 8*** any.
* I don't know the outcome *
When in doubt, strongly consider inviting a stragler into the pot.
Even the LAGiest opponents tend to be a little less aggressive in multiway pots.
Some guys try to run over women as well as the small flop bet.
I play online with a girls name because of how bad small stakes players play against women.
Most either try to run you over and some of them can't stand being raised by a woman and don't want to ever be bluffed by a woman.
Then there are the players that will flirt with you and will not raise you when they should the will not bet at you as much. They don't want to take your money they want to take you out on a date or at least flurt with you. They want you to saty at the table.
Then there are the players that believe every time you bet or raise you must have it because girls are not capable of bluffing and being aggressive onless they have it.
That's most players there are some who will play correctly against you depending on ranges, tells, players type (you and them) extra. These players are rare at micro and small stakes. The bigger you play the more of them there are.
I have never played high or super high stakes but I would imagine at those stakes there the norm.
Interesting hand… I have a question though, how many card rooms are on the island? Might be over there in Jan and would love a game.
Feels like turn bet was a 9, using like a block bet the wrong way, hoping u can't raise bc u dont have 8s in ur range m he does
Shouldn’t Hero cbet big/polar or check on these kind of boards, Bart?
did the SB also call the preflop raise blind or just the initial limp?
Stopped 7:35 I would call and almost snap call. The turn donk is very indicative of picking up a flush draw, and the thinking river shove with the A at lower stakes is so often a bluff for the missed flush draw. Even AdXd, isn't likely to shove, and that's about the only hand that beats you.
Foe will have 7d6d, 7d5d, JdTd, QdTd, QdJd, 6d5d here as well. Hand reads as a draw that picked up equity on the turn, then bluffed at the scare card on the river.
No you didn't
had similar feeling, but didn't see the lower versions there. Thought it was QdJd KdJd QdTd JdTd KdTd, along with some JQo with gutshot/overs (less likely, put possible depending on how aggressive) as a bunch of bluffs, and not that many AdXd, as he could just check when he hits the ace, and could/should 3-bet a lot of those preflop. although I didn't count those, the lower combo draws make sense for similar reasons.
Spaz is a perfectly acceptable term to use.
I was in a similar spot, and for all the reasons Bart mentioned, I called a $300 all in on the river where the other player just had me covered. Only thing is, in my case I was wrong and I got stacked. So you never know.
So the way my hand went down, it was a $10 bomb pot at 1/3. I got dealt QJ and the board was Q63ss. Got checked to me and I bet $40 everyone folds except the player on my right who check raised to $100. I called to evaluate and the turn was off suit ten. Now he checks so I check back. River was an offsuit 8 and now he shoves. Looked bluffy and all draws missed, but he flopped bottom 2 and it held
All you beat is a bluff. I’d def fold.
This is not a similar spot tbh
@@jolaz69 your problem started when you called flop raise. He put a scare in you, and you admitted it by calling raise and checking back turn. If you called "to evaluate", then why didn't you ram the turn after he checked it?? Or: no calling river shove. Top pair is good 2% of time against river shove in small stakes, unless you're against bluff. It's a bomb pot!! V could have literally anything...including flush, sets, two pairs...
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So: you made multiway mistakes...no wonder your stack suffers.
@@pot_kivach160 I have since learned that in small stakes - 1/3 or 2/5 - the river shove is rarely a bluff
Can you find these games in America?
I play 1-3 semi professionally. Small bet on flop killed you. The tank shove was him processing the ace as a good bluff card. I predicted 5-6 diamonds. Was close. After flat flat def seemed like a weak draw and then a redraw. Greta vid.
Good concept. Thanks!
I checked raised all-in pre flop with 7-2 and folded on the river because I knew he was bluffing from the way he was eating his cookie. Ever since the, they call me 'The Champ'.
What line would V take if they ran into an ace? check?
Glad to see my thiunking has been aligning more with yours Bart. Thanks!
I'm calling here for sure
He could be donking 80 with a 9 since you bet small on the flop and the turn was an undercard a 9 makes a lot of sense too. Realistic hands are an 8, a turned diamond draw, and a 9. 80$ is a call on the turn and evaluate a river. Safe rivers include cards like 2-8 no diamond and K,Q. On all safe cards you should be river and on dangerous cards you should either check call depending on sizing or check fold.
Bet river*
When he ships river I would lean towards a call, it is bluffy and considering the Ace could be a holding of his where he should get value it looks like he is using it as a bluff.
I think villain played it perfectly against the right player.
You can’t induce a wide range of calling hands by betting small on the flop, and then fold river here especially with a scare card out there and lots of turn draws.
Didn't she start off by saying that he blind calls the button straddle? Did he actually look at his cards preflop on this hand? I was not clear on that and if he did not look, it makes a big difference on what he could have. I would call off his river shove with tens every time if he went to the flop without looking.
She said he blind called
He blind called 6, not 30, right ?
Right, he just auto-calls before looking, not playing the whole hand blind.
Against this player, im just gonna call turn, call river, and hope. If he checks river, I check back an ace and try for thin value on other rivers…
This villain is likely to be an over-bluffer-you unblock diamonds, you do block some missed straights, but not others.
Reminding hero raised Pre flop so sb could be raising purely because hero rarely has 8 here so sb just representing for hero to fold out
The turn bet lead just feels like a diamond draw. And I’d rule out villain having an A since they didn’t 3 bet pre-flop if they are loose aggressive. FWIW
doubt theyd be 3betting any ace
You just reminded me I didn't finish watching Taboo, is this the one where Hardy has some kind of psychic abilities too?
It sort of went that way towards the end of the season.
@@CrushlivePoker season 2 expected around 2024 😂, plenty of time to rewatch
When a guy goes all in for let’s say $350, I usually go all in with more and hope they fold.
I read it as 67 suited on flop call, and 67d when he led out on turn. Felt pretty smart when it was 57d.
Tough spot based on the dollar size, but easy call based on the flop call
When he donk bets the turn and she did not fold or raise he correctly put her on a over pair but not aces. Any Ax except diamonds suited may fold on a turn and he blocks that combo. So representing an Ace on the river makes sense.
i thought he had an AX diamonds, hit the A, and tried to make it look like he missed a flush.. thats my thinking..not sure its correct.. calling it based on just the hand..i fold... see if thats an oops..
yup.. an oops...but, i did think he had something like he showed, up until his river bet..
Wouldn't it be easier at this point to make a list of the words that aren't considered offensive yet, and just cross them off one by one?
SS Exploit: Call more often when an OOP player leads a disconnected high card river!
i cannot understand why the villain wont check shove the turn
Not gonna lie. This guy played the hand exactly the way I would have If I had an 8 in my hand. Well except idk if I would ship all-in on the river. A lot of the time I'll do a 3/4 to pot size bet. It seems just strong enough but it could also be a bluff. And a lot of the time I get calls by doing this. I might also play 5,7d the exact same way though. Idk. The A might scare me into check folding the river. It just depends on if I think my opponent is holding an A or not.
Taboo is an awesome show, is there going to be another season?
there should be a season 2 but likely not until 2024 as production still hasn't started yet
I’m jamming on top of his 80 🥴
Some Low-stakes players will close the action with almost anything. (Especially if they're blind calling OOP) So all 16 combinations of 67 are in his range. Same with J7 and QJ
Villain recognizes Hero doesn't have much Ax in her range other than some diamond combos. Calling the turn donk looks like a 9 or an overpair or a good draw in villain's eyes. The shove on the river by villain is a good play as long as he doesn't pick every bluff combo he got here with. Getting almost 2:1 on a call, not blocking diamonds, and beating all bluffs, this is a sigh call.
In small stakes poker, there is absolutely no reason to be making hero calls on large river bets. You could play your hand pretty much face up and still make money at the 1-3 table.
Spaz is sorry for spastic - which is in the dictionary Bart. Use it as much as you want
good upload. also i can appreciate you being careful around the word “spaz” lol
Very nice thought process Bart
Agreed can’t fold any pair here not to a dude overbetting who played any 2 blind pre.
Also the comment about the spazz possibility is so true especially with less experienced players you make such a small size that KQs looks pretty good I assume an in experienced player would have a hard time folding anything to such a small size that they believe can improve
I’ve done this small sizing and ran into spazz spots a lot which is why I can say that def adds bluff combos in any river decision
Ya there is no way a rivered Ax hand is like "oooh an ace.." jam! You gotta stick with your equity and make the call whether the river is a 9 or J or A.
Not a terrible fold.
She knows that he knows it's unlikely that she has an Ace so she is aware that its pretty much mandatory bluff spot if he holds two diamonds (blocking Ax of diamonds which is pretty much the only A combo she can have). IF she has a diamond in her hand its closer, but having no diamonds its a clear call vs an aggressive opponent.
The only casino in victoria is elements casino, which only has one table in it lol :(
"Except for the loony up in Togus"
The key thing in this whole analysis to me is when she says "he thinks about it for like 10 seconds and then ships it". That pause is NOT insignificant. Would an A or an 8 need to pause here? That's really sus. An Ace or an 8 is a "nothing to think about" ship it situation. If you have an 8 yourself oh well, that's the way most villains would think here. He has a whole lot of busted flush draws, 9s, overcards and underpairs that could easily ship it here. Not an easy call but that pause would have pushed me over the edge. If it's a reverse tell, oh well. Most players aren't thinking like that.
Seems like a pretty easy call on the river.
I'm going to have a hard time folding that river. Bad play from the hero.
Bart, why don’t you explain how it can be good for the game or good for either blind when there is a silly button straddle rule that makes the blinds act first? You gloss over that as if it is not an incredibly stupid rule
dink 'n dunk 😼 adding this to my glossary too
I put the guy on A9 by the way it was played.
Nice bluff
The comments here are somewhat of a mystery, maybe we are playing a different game but in the bay area the local cash games play very very straight forward, if they have a draw like a flush draw they want to check call usually and they'll usually die with it, if they have big pp they rush to get their money in, if they hit top pair any board any texture they rush to get All the money in am I painting a pretty clear picture yet? They will die with anything, any pair or good draw whatever they don't care they are there to gamble more than anything. To succeed at low stakes it's pretty simple, bet your big hands and be patient, otherwise variance and house rake will kill you. But remember, don't bluff these people! Bet big hands be conservative, you are never outplaying a 5-200 player they're not thinking about anything but their hand, that's it! It's simple.
FYI: A "spaz" used to be used in pretty much the same way as "gay".
To the best of my knowledge it's a pejorative reference to a person whose limbs often move in a jerky fashion. (See: "Spastic")
Verdict: Though I'd opt for a synonym, I don't think tossing this word into a poker conversation is a hanging offense.
By the way, if "spaz" is really that bad the next word to go just about has to be spew(y).
6d7d just a guess
Called for 20% of her stack and was going to fold to 23 cards on the river? Whatever.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 The boards is paired....they must have a Boat 🤣🤣🤣🤣 (The Scared-Money credo)
Yes a house isn’t donking turn though.
I don't think spaz is offense at all...especially when certain players are labeled as maniacs in poker terms. Lol...I've made a lot of money from maniacs learning when to call from them. 😆
Hmmm. Maniac. You're right. That sounds offensive too. Mania is not a laughing matter. I don't think we should be calling people maniacs any more. It's very hurtful.
@@The20thHijacker depends on the context. Some people play like maniacs. All in every other hand. I don't have a problem with the term.
I typically play the role of the aggressor. So I would often time raise with that Ace representing it, just because she played it like she had an overpair like 9. Also statistically this would be a better position as small blind to take the BB for a ride
It's a full house or nothing spot as far as I'm concerned.
Taboo is a great series. Disappointed that it was dropped
Can't be scared to lose $350
It's a full buy-in, the actual dollar amount is relative. If the money you are betting matters then you shouldn't be playing anyway.
It depends if she is just playing for love of game. Bill Gates plays low stakes
He didn’t play that low when he was visiting Vegas. Not sure what you think is low stakes.
Wow tough spot
Yeah, min-raise this donk on the turn then check back the river when he bricks his 56 of diamonds or whatever.
As played can't fold river because he has at least as many weird gutshots as aces and weird nut hands.
Spaz is bad now?? My friggen gawd… please!
It’s at least a Bull Dyke!!
He had Jd10d
Elizabeth Theranos hiding out in Canada I see
JTen diamonds
Vs. a guy who is blind calling a straddle I´m potting flop and then jamming turn over his donkbet.
Megan sounds super attractive and fun lady
I guessed 6d 7d, LOL
Me too 😆
Hero- “villain can be really wide. He can have 8 2 suited.”
Then proceeds to change logic on river when counting bluff combos. If he’s lose he can have 16 combos of Q J and another 16 combos of 7 6 off. Too many combos of bluffs.
Bart pre-apologizing for saying spaz Jesus Christ.
He could literally have any two cards
my man is blind calling out of the SB and you think his range has any aces in it? lmao
megan sounds depressed
I would fold river 100%. A jillion hands beat you.
And the reveal shows me a fool.
Would never talk about tv shows with a dude lol
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