The absolute worst part about this is if he checks back river and saves the 1k, when he sees he loses to a rivered 4 he hates himself forever for not trying to bluff him off it 😆
lol true. It's a lose-lose situation. The only question is would you rather be $1,000 richer and hate yourself for not bluffing, or $1,000 poorer, and hate the other guy for calling with a pair of 4s (honey, this idiot from eastern Europe called me with a pair of 4s!).
It's a standard spot in which the fish is thinking "wow, the way I played it I capped my range and he knows I am weak, so he must be exploiting me, I must call!"
@@NC7491 And thats why a real small size works here often very good. Reverse psychology. Why should my opponent just bet like 400 if he does not even beat nothing, he must a have something better than just a small pair of 4s, maybe he is even tryin to induce me to bluff with this small sizing. I would fold my 4s here in this spot...
Can't help but notice flush over flush if the spade comes, and straight over straight if his gutshot hits. He thought he had tons of outs, but he had few. Don't know if he had a read or was a calling station, but it was a pretty sticky call.
These videos mostly teach me to really watch my opponents river showdowns carefully. When I used to play a lot of low stakes limit poker some main rules that I always lived by were #1, don't bluff calling stations #2, never fold a hand on the river for one bet that has any significant equity. I always try to play opposite from the GTO kids at the table.
On this river I mix up my strategy. When my opponent has a hand that would fold to a bluff I just check and when they have a hand that calls my bet then I bluff.
It’s a good strategy. Another one I like to employ is when I have a hand with no showdown value that blocks some strong hands to shove as a bluff and then get snapped by the nuts.
I wonder how many readers will detect the self-deprecating sarcasm of this thread and how many beginners will scratch their head trying to seriously work out what was meant.
I want to be in the game with this guy who calls when he pairs his 4. You block spades by having spades. What is he putting him on, T9 suited ? 4 combos. Everything else that calls the check raise has 45 beat. He's set-up to win stacks from this putz on later hands, I think his sizing is fine.
great analysis Bart, small and large size river bluffs fold out the same hands and get called by the same hands, so the cheap bluff is the better play, sizing up accomplished nothing, its an old Limon play.
Had a similar hand where I was check raised (w/ str8 draw) on the turn when my opponent had a pair (3’s)+ flush draw I missed my straight draw and made a hero call with a pair of 4’s after he made a pot size bet.
Maybe villain only found the hero call with the 4 because mr King bets large? The big sizing pretty much only reps boats and it becomes a nuts/air situation. Also, when hero has one of those nut hands or AA/KK some portion of them would probably raise the turn. Hero's range should therefore consist of a shit ton of missed draws and medium overpairs, with a discounted number of strong overpairs and boats. I think it's a very nice bluffcatch with the 4 when you realize Hero's river sizing is very polarizing and very few of the hands in the top of Hero's range would choose to go large there. Maybe villain also expects boats to bet even larger at the end too, so he "extra" discounted boats. What a pro move by villain!
If you're going to bluff then send it. $1800 on the river. The objective here is V is aware that his turn x/r looks odd and that if you call you obviously have equity beyond random overcards. However V also should know that any value bet hero makes on the river is incredibly risky, so what kind of hands does hero actually bet here? Our sizing should be designed to target hands that are expecting to bluffcatch. By betting BIG we are essentially daring villain to bluffcatch us and be a total station. I suspect villain recognized that a small traditional value bet honestly makes no sense given the dynamic since hero would be value-owning himself too often with this sizing. Basically it's a classic "i know you know that I know" situation. Not to mention you need your bluffs to have a higher chance of success in these spots, so size up. I'd rather lose the extra 800 if my bluff only has to work a little more than half the time.
Agreed 💯. My area just got its first casino, so I’ve only been playing live poker for a few months, and a huge leak that i see a lot is players that don’t commit to their bluff. They’ll bluff on the river with like 1/6th pot sized bet, or even smaller, I’m able to catch them out more often than not. If you’re going to bluff you have to friggin commit, at least a pot sized bet if not higher.
Turn c/r of 2.5x OOP live usually equals weak-ish draw and there it was. Figured strongest he’d show is A7ss which regardless of turn, he’d go and same w river…it’s live poker and it’s 5/10/20 which live just equates to finances more than skills imho. Those smallish 2 flush turn raises almost always combo draw. Smaller the raise, weaker the draw. Btw this is assuming lack of face cards on flop as that removes perceived outs of weaker combo draws such as pairing like this 4 did ;-)
I can't count how many times I've yelled at players in my head only, to just Check Back w the Over Par in weird spots like this one. Great analysis as usual. Very interesting. In my head I was Jamming River if he checks after the Check Raise. Lol! Hindsight.
More like a bad call station call. Hero raised preflop, showed strength throughout hand, flat called a reraise, then bets river, when a weaker hand that flats reraise would check river instead. And lots of possible hands that beat his middle pair, bottom pair, crap kicker. Even if hero has a weak hand like a X 4 type hand, hero still would OUTKICK beat him. Also if he thinks he might be ok, but isn't sure, instead of flat calling and GREATLY RISKING losing, he should reraise semi big or big or all in, because he flat called pre, then flat called flop, then check reraise small turn, then big check raise river, which is, would be a extremely STRONG LINE, and semi likely to force Hero to fold. And rivers are so underbluffed, making Hero even more likely to fold. Because of that Villains best moves were to 1. Reraise big time. 2. FOLD. VILLAINS CALL WAS EXTREMELY BAD, RISKY. Yeah Villain got lucky, and it worked for him. But going by that is RESULTS ORIENTED THINKING. 8,9 times out of 10 Villain loses a lot over the long term. And if checked Villains long term results, Villain is likely a losing player over the long term making these type of CALL STATION calls. Hero pretty much played it right. I probably would have either bet smaller at 500,600, or all in, as either smaller or river all in is more likely to get a fold then 1000 which is not as good raise size. But seriously doubt villain was considering things like what Bart said. Pretty sure Villain called because sticky call station. 87% chance that the call was not a good call. But hey that's poker, tip hat, move on, exploit the call station later.
So what's the move we are supposed to learn? Give up on the river and check back with our missed draw? Bluffing here seems reasonable to me and probably a good chunk of the time it will fold out a weak hand like 5-4, so is the lesson to bet smaller? It feels weird betting 400-500 when the villain just check raised to 650. I'm kind of leaning more with the reasoning of the hero here 1k seems about right for how it was played.
I was actually thinking to 3bet this turn as V’s turn check raise range seems really odd. And if we are going to have a 3bet range with some bluff combos, 9Tss is definitely in it?
My thoughts exactly. AA/KK and boats may want to click it back vs a small check raise, especially if the read on villain is that he wouldn't check raise many boats or 3's there. I think a small turn 3bet is the way to go. A combo draw such as what hero has seems like an excellent bluffing candidate to put into that range.
I don't think I would check back an overpair here. I get the theory behind that, but I've been looked up by A high so many times going for thin value. I could see villain talking himself into a hero call. But maybe that's just a reflection of my image as a young aggressive player; people seem to think I bluff too much.
The fact that the villain snap called shows that he is just a total station. That is completely different than thinking the hand through and making a hero call after missing his draw and rivering a pair. The caller here should not be bluffing an opponent who is a station or that he doesn't know is capable of folding a hand.
V is a pro, he checks river knowing that you have no showdown value, so H needs to bluff. He also knows that if he bets river then you will fold most of the time and only raise the nuts, which would have been face up had you sized your turn bet on the smaller side, therefore allowing all combos to continue. I tend to have a repping range in these spots, especially knowing that my combo draws will hardly ever get there, so when they don't I can comfortably bet river and fold out bluff catchers.
Yeah, I saw that at the end. Makes sense though in that he picked up equity on the turn, tried to rep the 3 and the river bet amount was a bit odd. It seems bluffy. Now, a snap call is odd, as one would expect working through the math and hand play.
I'm puzzled. What hand check-raises the turn & folds to a $500 bet on river? I get that villains actual hand would fold on a blank, but we beat villains hand. Villain called $1000 with bottom pair here.
I feel like a small river bet here has a better chance of folding out that pair of 4s than a big one. If you make it looks like you’re going for thin value it looks way more like you have an overpair. A big bet is way too polarized like you either have a 88,77 or nothing. That bet just screams FOLD!
Love these videos and watch a lot.. Wondered if the same thought process can be utilised in tournament play - or would you need to think differently due to forced bluffing in tournaments..
I'd be less inclined to bluff on the river as hero in tournament. Like you said, because there's more "forced bluffing in tournaments," a villian that takes this line is almost never folding the river after a check.
I think he should have 3-bet the turn, to about 1500 total, setting up for an apparent river jam. But if he doesn't fold to that, I would not be putting more chips into the pot.
if u checked back the flop. the second three comes. now if he were to check again, he would be missing value on his trips. say he does check turn then you know he doesn’t have a 3. you should check turn too because you only have draws no physical hand. then it’s an easy check check or fold to the river with pot control. U essentially bloated the pot with a draw and paid him max value. you are exactly supposed to check raise your draws which the villain did but you had the same hand so it didn’t work on you. interesting hand but misplayed in my opinion with 0 equity
Stopped at 11:00. I'd bet $500. The issue is, you will be called by any 3, such as Ac3c, any 8 or 7, regardless of how much you bet, save maybe a scared player and a jam. $500 will likely fold out any unpaired hands higher than than yours. QJ is not going to call, as even your Ax or Kx still wins. So you will fold out hands that beat you, and betting more will just be called anyway, so there is no advantage of a higher bet. Take a sizing that accomplishes what you want, to fold out a higher unpaired hand, and bet no higher, as a higher amount is just throwing money away. Plus, higher amounts can look more like a bluff, you want to appear you want a call, without it it being so low that it's simply worth looking you up. Small differences in how you bet make a big difference overtime, and this is one of those times when a difference between $500 and $800 is huge. The $800 only comes with the downside of losing an additional $300 when called, and almost no upside, as foe would fold to $500 at the same rate as $800.
id have a hard time checking over pairs just because of the live spaz factor, like when someone does have some random single paired hand raising the turn "because there's a lot of draws and over cards to protect from" or something along those lines... then they're checking to check call after everything misses. I agree I hand-read the villain to have mostly random nothing and very very occasionally a nutted hand after checking river, but I seriously think there are plenty more combos of live spaz turn raised single paired hands than 88, 77 and 33 that would've had to check call flop, check raise turn, then check river
this hand hurts my brain (doesnt take much, i know i know). how do we feel about villains line? did he play it well? everything about this hand is so awkward. on the river i think id check back overpairs, so that probably means dont bluff. but man, what if villain is giving up with something hed fold to a small bet? that has to be the case at least some percentage of the time, right?? i think if bluffing the river a size of about $500 feels correct. looks value-y, gets villain to fold their weakest stuff that beats you, doesnt have to work that often. also, to the people saying 3-bet the turn: everyones a genius after the cards are turned over. a 3bet here is awful. its usually going to be a pretty clear call, but ofc youre going to autofold vs some opponents who will always have it in spots like this (we all play against a few of those guys regularly). note that bart and the caller, both excellent live players, didnt even discuss the possibility of it. needless to say there are plenty of people wo will play 88/77/33 like this.
V was a shark. Period! . as for "3betting turn" Q.: Depending on who you are. If you play opponent, then yes 3bet was a must. if you play your cards, then call is the best option for you. Now, you chose which one you like. And then go for it. Cheers!
SB's x/raise made absolutely no sense watching the video live, but after seeing his hand it makes complete sense... Rich homie is trying to get you the hell off the pot, and Bart was completely right in his intuition that made hands don't x/raise there. Bart's just a disgusting player honestly lol. I'd be so upset if Bart holding Ts9s 3 bet bluffs me off that pot.
I would have 3-bet the turn because if I have 88 or 33 or 77 I want to get the maximum out of worse boats or combo draws and t9ss is like the only bluff combo I could possibly have, then pile the river. I just don't think v would x/c a strong made hand on the flop, he loses value vs all our over pairs by doing that, and he may not even float a 3. A3s is like the only hand he could possibly have that would want to x/c flop and x/r turn for value. Since his range is so draw heavy, we need to attack it and why not have some bluffs. As played, yeah, block sizing on the river targeting some draw that paired up, like he has.
@@UncleTinman Sorry. My reply to you supposed to be looked at the context of the entire thread and means: "If H 3bet Turn, then any (size) river bet would taken the pot." Hoping this helps. . The reasoning is: H would've repped the strong hand that an opponent weak river hand would had to yield to. As it would be clear to V that H has a hand that is strong without being tied to board cards. H just calling Turn raise, tells V that H hand was heavily dependent on the board cards, and once he saw brick on river, he knew it's easy call. Means: H has a weak drawing hand (perhaps Ak, AQ, KQ any suited connectors...no pair), and that's why he snap called on the bricky river relying on his bluff catcher. That's why he checked it, offering H a rope to hang himself, which He happily did. 🤣Boom! V played this hand excellently. SO, yes, I agree that the way H arrived at river - the best action was check behind. NO bet (of any size)!.
@@pot_kivach160 thanks for the reply. Any chance H is calling the turn check raise with a bigger pocket pair to trap the V? Also H betting pot on river and V folding? Or 2x pot river bet?
What move? I couldn’t find anything in this video that would allow me to print money. I enjoy all the videos and extracted value from this one, but I’m calling click bait on this one.
So does this guy already know the outcome of these hands then?? He talks like hes seen them before the phone call. Kinda changes the advise if he already knows the outcome
There are only two possibilities. 1. You were a complete fish who additionally gave off a blatant timing/distress tell. 2. He made a correct "Robbi read" and was already planning to bluff catch if he paired. Honestly, I think the most likely of those, is both. Personally, I would have thought for under 5 seconds, and bet either $110 or $260, randomized by whether the hour was odd or even. Both amounts appear to be begging for a checkraise or at least a call.. The $110 only has to fold him out a single-digit percentage of the time to be +EV. The $260 still looks incredibly strong and money-grubbing, not a play for fold equity, more of a terribly chosen value bet if he has a hand which must call. If you can boggle your opponent's mind and have him get into an internal leveling debate, it's always worth doing that for a small price of a fraction of the pot. The idea is to create almost a coin flip as to what he does, when you only need him to do the wrong thing once in a while. It also tricks them into attempting word play, so be ready to freeze up like a statue, or have a reply that makes them even more likely to coin-flip calling. "Why $260?" "Why should I tell you? But I just spent that on a pair of tires for my kid's car. Maybe I didin't buy 4 so I'd be able to bluff you this exact amount. Maybe I just want you to pay me back for her tires. How's your own tread depth these days?" Then they'll try figuring out whether that means I want a fold or a call. More chances to make a mistake, because I'd say the same if I made that bet for value and I chose to engage . I have some canned responses for when I don't choose to be a statue. The one that they get the least info from , laugh at the most, but make the most mistakes after, is this. "Will you show if I fold?" Appear to think for 3 seconds, then say "I haven't decided yet."
"Learning This Move Will Increase Your Winrate at Live Poker" But not on this hand because the villain is calling anyway. Well, I guess you would have lost less, so that does increases your winrate.
my parents had two names picked out Bart was one of them. then they realized I would also get called Bart the Fart growing up so went with second name. Bart, how much of that did you get as a little kid?
Must have missed the part where you will “print money”. You’re better than that Bart. I like your stuff, but I’m getting tired of sitting through these clickbait title videos that never come close to delivering on the promise in the title and thumbnail. If it’s not clear what you are talking about through just the hand breakdown, you should have the courtesy of making a short outro for each video that actually does deliver on the big promise in the thumbnail. Im sure my sub means very little to you, but if I get clickbaited one more time with one of your thumbnails (I’ve lost track of how many times you’ve done it now) I’m going to unsubscribe permanently and never watch any of your stuff again.
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Give it up for Bort!
My sons name is also Bort
Lol wutt
The absolute worst part about this is if he checks back river and saves the 1k, when he sees he loses to a rivered 4 he hates himself forever for not trying to bluff him off it 😆
well, you can't have it both ways: to fart and to keep silent at the same time!!
lol true. It's a lose-lose situation.
The only question is would you rather be $1,000 richer and hate yourself for not bluffing, or $1,000 poorer, and hate the other guy for calling with a pair of 4s (honey, this idiot from eastern Europe called me with a pair of 4s!).
It's a standard spot in which the fish is thinking "wow, the way I played it I capped my range and he knows I am weak, so he must be exploiting me, I must call!"
@@NC7491 And thats why a real small size works here often very good. Reverse psychology. Why should my opponent just bet like 400 if he does not even beat nothing, he must a have something better than just a small pair of 4s, maybe he is even tryin to induce me to bluff with this small sizing. I would fold my 4s here in this spot...
@@NC7491 Fish dont know what a capped range is and they arent thinking "what does he think Im thinking?"
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wasnt he on a bunch of steroids?? (😜)
@@noThankyou-g5c lol that’s hilarious
@@noThankyou-g5c someone hit him with the ugly stick
Bart and Yale, could be a comedic superhero duo. Taking the fishes money at the poker table!!
Old school logic on the end. Bluff smallest amount that gets a fold, value bet biggest amount that gets a call. This villain can play a little bit
Cool hand. Very good caller.
Like the reasoning. Adverse outcome, but hey that’s poker! Sharp opponent.
The game is evolving. People are not folding. I started check calling a lot of spots I would usually be semi-bluffing
Yep, if I had a dollar for every time my turn check raise got called by 2nd pair or top pair + weak kicker I'd be a slightly less poor man.
I agree also I would be raising this turn a lot.
The game is evolving for sure. Peeps fold way less cuz GTO and the bluffs are out of control low stakes
@@theduppykillah there is nothing gto about low stakes. They haven’t changed much still super easy to beat.
People aren't folding, is really what you used as your proof of the game evolving? lmao. Sit down
Yale is an absolute crusher. I learn a lot from his vids
Can't help but notice flush over flush if the spade comes, and straight over straight if his gutshot hits. He thought he had tons of outs, but he had few. Don't know if he had a read or was a calling station, but it was a pretty sticky call.
These videos mostly teach me to really watch my opponents river showdowns carefully. When I used to play a lot of low stakes limit poker some main rules that I always lived by were #1, don't bluff calling stations #2, never fold a hand on the river for one bet that has any significant equity. I always try to play opposite from the GTO kids at the table.
Aahh, so according to your own logic. People shouldn't bluff you. jk
First of all, there is no equity on the river. It is just value.
On this river I mix up my strategy. When my opponent has a hand that would fold to a bluff I just check and when they have a hand that calls my bet then I bluff.
It’s a good strategy. Another one I like to employ is when I have a hand with no showdown value that blocks some strong hands to shove as a bluff and then get snapped by the nuts.
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I wonder how many readers will detect the self-deprecating sarcasm of this thread and how many beginners will scratch their head trying to seriously work out what was meant.
I want to be in the game with this guy who calls when he pairs his 4. You block spades by having spades. What is he putting him on, T9 suited ? 4 combos. Everything else that calls the check raise has 45 beat. He's set-up to win stacks from this putz on later hands, I think his sizing is fine.
great analysis Bart, small and large size river bluffs fold out the same hands and get called by the same hands, so the cheap bluff is the better play, sizing up accomplished nothing, its an old Limon play.
Wow sick hand ! The villan is a boss 😂😂 that shit would tilt the heck out of me 😂
Yeah I would call it a day after getting owned like that, impossible to not second guess yourself for a while
great GAME!!! getting called with that hand is amazing.
Had a similar hand where I was check raised (w/ str8 draw) on the turn when my opponent had a pair (3’s)+ flush draw
I missed my straight draw and made a hero call with a pair of 4’s after he made a pot size bet.
Maybe villain only found the hero call with the 4 because mr King bets large? The big sizing pretty much only reps boats and it becomes a nuts/air situation. Also, when hero has one of those nut hands or AA/KK some portion of them would probably raise the turn. Hero's range should therefore consist of a shit ton of missed draws and medium overpairs, with a discounted number of strong overpairs and boats. I think it's a very nice bluffcatch with the 4 when you realize Hero's river sizing is very polarizing and very few of the hands in the top of Hero's range would choose to go large there. Maybe villain also expects boats to bet even larger at the end too, so he "extra" discounted boats. What a pro move by villain!
If you're going to bluff then send it. $1800 on the river. The objective here is V is aware that his turn x/r looks odd and that if you call you obviously have equity beyond random overcards. However V also should know that any value bet hero makes on the river is incredibly risky, so what kind of hands does hero actually bet here? Our sizing should be designed to target hands that are expecting to bluffcatch. By betting BIG we are essentially daring villain to bluffcatch us and be a total station. I suspect villain recognized that a small traditional value bet honestly makes no sense given the dynamic since hero would be value-owning himself too often with this sizing. Basically it's a classic "i know you know that I know" situation.
Not to mention you need your bluffs to have a higher chance of success in these spots, so size up. I'd rather lose the extra 800 if my bluff only has to work a little more than half the time.
Agreed 💯. My area just got its first casino, so I’ve only been playing live poker for a few months, and a huge leak that i see a lot is players that don’t commit to their bluff. They’ll bluff on the river with like 1/6th pot sized bet, or even smaller, I’m able to catch them out more often than not. If you’re going to bluff you have to friggin commit, at least a pot sized bet if not higher.
That’s crazy I just subscribed today and I’ve been watching your channel for a minute now
Which move do I need to learn?
The one where you get soul-read and owned with a pair of fours after bluffing a small paycheck
Turn c/r of 2.5x OOP live usually equals weak-ish draw and there it was. Figured strongest he’d show is A7ss which regardless of turn, he’d go and same w river…it’s live poker and it’s 5/10/20 which live just equates to finances more than skills imho. Those smallish 2 flush turn raises almost always combo draw. Smaller the raise, weaker the draw. Btw this is assuming lack of face cards on flop as that removes perceived outs of weaker combo draws such as pairing like this 4 did ;-)
I can't count how many times I've yelled at players in my head only, to just Check Back w the Over Par in weird spots like this one. Great analysis as usual. Very interesting. In my head I was Jamming River if he checks after the Check Raise. Lol! Hindsight.
This was good one. Good play al around, fantastic river call
More like a bad call station call.
Hero raised preflop, showed strength throughout hand, flat called a reraise, then bets river, when a weaker hand that flats reraise would check river instead.
And lots of possible hands that beat his middle pair, bottom pair, crap kicker.
Even if hero has a weak hand like a X 4 type hand, hero still would OUTKICK beat him.
Also if he thinks he might be ok, but isn't sure, instead of flat calling and GREATLY RISKING losing, he should reraise semi big or big or all in, because he flat called pre, then flat called flop, then check reraise small turn, then big check raise river, which is, would be a extremely STRONG LINE, and semi likely to force Hero to fold. And rivers are so underbluffed, making Hero even more likely to fold.
Because of that Villains best moves were to 1. Reraise big time. 2. FOLD.
VILLAINS CALL WAS EXTREMELY BAD, RISKY.
Yeah Villain got lucky, and it worked for him. But going by that is RESULTS ORIENTED THINKING.
8,9 times out of 10 Villain loses a lot over the long term.
And if checked Villains long term results, Villain is likely a losing player over the long term making these type of CALL STATION calls.
Hero pretty much played it right. I probably would have either bet smaller at 500,600, or all in, as either smaller or river all in is more likely to get a fold then 1000 which is not as good raise size.
But seriously doubt villain was considering things like what Bart said.
Pretty sure Villain called because sticky call station.
87% chance that the call was not a good call.
But hey that's poker, tip hat, move on, exploit the call station later.
That hand was insane! I felt like I was sitting at the table.
So what's the move we are supposed to learn? Give up on the river and check back with our missed draw? Bluffing here seems reasonable to me and probably a good chunk of the time it will fold out a weak hand like 5-4, so is the lesson to bet smaller? It feels weird betting 400-500 when the villain just check raised to 650. I'm kind of leaning more with the reasoning of the hero here 1k seems about right for how it was played.
This is an interesting one. If he bet less, the bluff might have got through!
It's like a try-hard psychology vs. a confident one. "Give me a little more money with your weak junk."
"Come along, Bort."
"Were you talking to me?"
"No! My son is also named Bort.
when he check on the 4, i knew it he had a shitty 54 lol
But wasn't expected he call jajaja what a crazy man
I was actually thinking to 3bet this turn as V’s turn check raise range seems really odd. And if we are going to have a 3bet range with some bluff combos, 9Tss is definitely in it?
My thoughts exactly. AA/KK and boats may want to click it back vs a small check raise, especially if the read on villain is that he wouldn't check raise many boats or 3's there. I think a small turn 3bet is the way to go. A combo draw such as what hero has seems like an excellent bluffing candidate to put into that range.
we cant 3bet turns when villain has the range advantage.
I don't think I would check back an overpair here. I get the theory behind that, but I've been looked up by A high so many times going for thin value. I could see villain talking himself into a hero call. But maybe that's just a reflection of my image as a young aggressive player; people seem to think I bluff too much.
Yale has a great channel! I love AK almost as much as that guy!
The fact that the villain snap called shows that he is just a total station. That is completely different than thinking the hand through and making a hero call after missing his draw and rivering a pair. The caller here should not be bluffing an opponent who is a station or that he doesn't know is capable of folding a hand.
V is a pro, he checks river knowing that you have no showdown value, so H needs to bluff. He also knows that if he bets river then you will fold most of the time and only raise the nuts, which would have been face up had you sized your turn bet on the smaller side, therefore allowing all combos to continue. I tend to have a repping range in these spots, especially knowing that my combo draws will hardly ever get there, so when they don't I can comfortably bet river and fold out bluff catchers.
Damn that SNAP call must’ve been demoralizing af…he’s basically saying fuck you and fuck your game😂
hey bart, i have an obvious question that's bothering me after that turn action: what's your skincare routine, thanks
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An alternate play would be to 3bet the turn to 3x to get him to fold OR jam the river.
When you are ahead it is ok to put money in to apply pressure.
He snapped with 5 4,OMFG.
Yeah, I saw that at the end. Makes sense though in that he picked up equity on the turn, tried to rep the 3 and the river bet amount was a bit odd. It seems bluffy.
Now, a snap call is odd, as one would expect working through the math and hand play.
@@brianwilson7624 You're a rat.
I'm puzzled. What hand check-raises the turn & folds to a $500 bet on river? I get that villains actual hand would fold on a blank, but we beat villains hand. Villain called $1000 with bottom pair here.
We need more Bort license plates in the gift shop. I repeat, we are sold out of Bort license plates.
love this channel and love this caller's channel too. Thanks Bort
Damn Bart always seems to call the hands well before they even say what ends up happening
Didn’t Tony in the movie “ scarface “ use the Yale ?
I wouldn’t raise UTG with 9-10suited in a full ring game. J-10 suited at least
I would have bluffed there as well. If he calls with a 4, would an over bet of 2x pot (to all-in) be a consideration?
I feel like a small river bet here has a better chance of folding out that pair of 4s than a big one. If you make it looks like you’re going for thin value it looks way more like you have an overpair. A big bet is way too polarized like you either have a 88,77 or nothing. That bet just screams FOLD!
Love these videos and watch a lot.. Wondered if the same thought process can be utilised in tournament play - or would you need to think differently due to forced bluffing in tournaments..
Almost All the same concepts apply in tournament, you just have wider ranges in tourneys due to the stack sizes
I'd be less inclined to bluff on the river as hero in tournament. Like you said, because there's more "forced bluffing in tournaments," a villian that takes this line is almost never folding the river after a check.
Early stage tournament plays essentially the same… then it changes into mid/late stages as average stacks get shorter
Need another call from "Annihalator"..
did you dig that out from the archive? sounds like recorded in pre y2k
Ya deff small bluff on end best play. “Unless ur super rich” lol
I think he should have 3-bet the turn, to about 1500 total, setting up for an apparent river jam. But if he doesn't fold to that, I would not be putting more chips into the pot.
if u checked back the flop. the second three comes. now if he were to check again, he would be missing value on his trips. say he does check turn then you know he doesn’t have a 3. you should check turn too because you only have draws no physical hand. then it’s an easy check check or fold to the river with pot control. U essentially bloated the pot with a draw and paid him max value. you are exactly supposed to check raise your draws which the villain did but you had the same hand so it didn’t work on you. interesting hand but misplayed in my opinion with 0 equity
Stopped at 11:00. I'd bet $500. The issue is, you will be called by any 3, such as Ac3c, any 8 or 7, regardless of how much you bet, save maybe a scared player and a jam.
$500 will likely fold out any unpaired hands higher than than yours. QJ is not going to call, as even your Ax or Kx still wins. So you will fold out hands that beat you, and betting more will just be called anyway, so there is no advantage of a higher bet.
Take a sizing that accomplishes what you want, to fold out a higher unpaired hand, and bet no higher, as a higher amount is just throwing money away.
Plus, higher amounts can look more like a bluff, you want to appear you want a call, without it it being so low that it's simply worth looking you up. Small differences in how you bet make a big difference overtime, and this is one of those times when a difference between $500 and $800 is huge. The $800 only comes with the downside of losing an additional $300 when called, and almost no upside, as foe would fold to $500 at the same rate as $800.
reminds me of a certain hand played by Garrett Adelstein
People saying good call,
I would never call there with 3rd pair. What's your rationale for calling?
Opponent is a fish that doesn’t fold
id have a hard time checking over pairs just because of the live spaz factor, like when someone does have some random single paired hand raising the turn "because there's a lot of draws and over cards to protect from" or something along those lines... then they're checking to check call after everything misses. I agree I hand-read the villain to have mostly random nothing and very very occasionally a nutted hand after checking river, but I seriously think there are plenty more combos of live spaz turn raised single paired hands than 88, 77 and 33 that would've had to check call flop, check raise turn, then check river
Is there 2 channels or are these replays with different titles? 🤔
Is Marc Goon the player at HCL the same as the announcer on HCL?
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if you are checking back the river with your over pairs, then what is your small river bluff representing?
Great question.
this hand hurts my brain (doesnt take much, i know i know). how do we feel about villains line? did he play it well? everything about this hand is so awkward. on the river i think id check back overpairs, so that probably means dont bluff. but man, what if villain is giving up with something hed fold to a small bet? that has to be the case at least some percentage of the time, right?? i think if bluffing the river a size of about $500 feels correct. looks value-y, gets villain to fold their weakest stuff that beats you, doesnt have to work that often.
also, to the people saying 3-bet the turn: everyones a genius after the cards are turned over. a 3bet here is awful. its usually going to be a pretty clear call, but ofc youre going to autofold vs some opponents who will always have it in spots like this (we all play against a few of those guys regularly). note that bart and the caller, both excellent live players, didnt even discuss the possibility of it. needless to say there are plenty of people wo will play 88/77/33 like this.
V was a shark. Period!
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as for "3betting turn" Q.:
Depending on who you are. If you play opponent, then yes 3bet was a must. if you play your cards, then call is the best option for you. Now, you chose which one you like. And then go for it.
Cheers!
@@pot_kivach160 lolz
Good call, not too bad of a bluff either
If you bet small as a bluff on the river, with what range are you value-betting small on the river? 77 and 88? AA or KK?
H had no range on the river (thanks to the way he arrived there). V read him through (thanks to his turn x/r!!!). Therefore no bluff. Of any size.
A8s, 99, 1010 are good candidates.
I love Yale's vlog
What move that increase the win rate Bart? Bluff 1K missed the river or check call with bottom pair? You let us know.
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I’d check kings on river
Yale got his soul read by the sb
tuff hand
No matter what sizing he would choose , SOME players just won’t fold 2 pair on a paired board. 😮
I was thinking 65s
SB's x/raise made absolutely no sense watching the video live, but after seeing his hand it makes complete sense... Rich homie is trying to get you the hell off the pot, and Bart was completely right in his intuition that made hands don't x/raise there. Bart's just a disgusting player honestly lol. I'd be so upset if Bart holding Ts9s 3 bet bluffs me off that pot.
Wonder how much of a tell hero let off while tank calling the check-raise. Sick hero-call by villain though.
A very good hand reader would know hero would be value betting way less than 20% of time on this river given turn action.
The small sizing on his check raise give him a ton of info to be able to make that river call.
A 3 spades?
I would have 3-bet the turn because if I have 88 or 33 or 77 I want to get the maximum out of worse boats or combo draws and t9ss is like the only bluff combo I could possibly have, then pile the river. I just don't think v would x/c a strong made hand on the flop, he loses value vs all our over pairs by doing that, and he may not even float a 3. A3s is like the only hand he could possibly have that would want to x/c flop and x/r turn for value. Since his range is so draw heavy, we need to attack it and why not have some bluffs. As played, yeah, block sizing on the river targeting some draw that paired up, like he has.
So what would you have bet for the river?
@@UncleTinman any bet on river would made V snap CALL.
EDIT: (initially "fold" was typo above).
@@pot_kivach160 that's not a relevant reply. The pot was $1600 and the bet was $1k. So what sizing are you implying?
@@UncleTinman Sorry. My reply to you supposed to be looked at the context of the entire thread and means: "If H 3bet Turn, then any (size) river bet would taken the pot."
Hoping this helps.
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The reasoning is: H would've repped the strong hand that an opponent weak river hand would had to yield to. As it would be clear to V that H has a hand that is strong without being tied to board cards.
H just calling Turn raise, tells V that H hand was heavily dependent on the board cards, and once he saw brick on river, he knew it's easy call. Means: H has a weak drawing hand (perhaps Ak, AQ, KQ any suited connectors...no pair), and that's why he snap called on the bricky river relying on his bluff catcher. That's why he checked it, offering H a rope to hang himself, which He happily did. 🤣Boom! V played this hand excellently.
SO, yes, I agree that the way H arrived at river - the best action was check behind. NO bet (of any size)!.
@@pot_kivach160 thanks for the reply. Any chance H is calling the turn check raise with a bigger pocket pair to trap the V? Also H betting pot on river and V folding? Or 2x pot river bet?
Anybody ever told you you look just like the GOAT Chael Sonnen 😂
What move? I couldn’t find anything in this video that would allow me to print money. I enjoy all the videos and extracted value from this one, but I’m calling click bait on this one.
So does this guy already know the outcome of these hands then?? He talks like hes seen them before the phone call. Kinda changes the advise if he already knows the outcome
Love when players think they’re better than they are 😂
There are only two possibilities. 1. You were a complete fish who additionally gave off a blatant timing/distress tell. 2. He made a correct "Robbi read" and was already planning to bluff catch if he paired. Honestly, I think the most likely of those, is both.
Personally, I would have thought for under 5 seconds, and bet either $110 or $260, randomized by whether the hour was odd or even. Both amounts appear to be begging for a checkraise or at least a call.. The $110 only has to fold him out a single-digit percentage of the time to be +EV. The $260 still looks incredibly strong and money-grubbing, not a play for fold equity, more of a terribly chosen value bet if he has a hand which must call.
If you can boggle your opponent's mind and have him get into an internal leveling debate, it's always worth doing that for a small price of a fraction of the pot. The idea is to create almost a coin flip as to what he does, when you only need him to do the wrong thing once in a while.
It also tricks them into attempting word play, so be ready to freeze up like a statue, or have a reply that makes them even more likely to coin-flip calling. "Why $260?" "Why should I tell you? But I just spent that on a pair of tires for my kid's car. Maybe I didin't buy 4 so I'd be able to bluff you this exact amount. Maybe I just want you to pay me back for her tires. How's your own tread depth these days?" Then they'll try figuring out whether that means I want a fold or a call. More chances to make a mistake, because I'd say the same if I made that bet for value and I chose to engage .
I have some canned responses for when I don't choose to be a statue. The one that they get the least info from , laugh at the most, but make the most mistakes after, is this. "Will you show if I fold?" Appear to think for 3 seconds, then say "I haven't decided yet."
How he owned Yale's Soul. That's tragic.
I think I'd bet $600 on this river. Still get snapped by this guy but save myself 20BB lol
"Learning This Move Will Increase Your Winrate at Live Poker"
But not on this hand because the villain is calling anyway.
Well, I guess you would have lost less, so that does increases your winrate.
He puts hero on garbage (broadway A type hand). I would call too. You bluff smaller you lose less.
my parents had two names picked out Bart was one of them. then they realized I would also get called Bart the Fart growing up so went with second name. Bart, how much of that did you get as a little kid?
I got called that all the time
The ads tho. Chill out on em
Great river bet sizing imo. Maybe v had live read or just figured Yolo
I also have a son named Bort
45spades: baccarat player
we don't want a free card on the flop? sure?
Ugh, poker can be so weird at times 🤦♂️
All that talk about the river seemed a long way of saying small bat
And fold to a reraise.
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Must have missed the part where you will “print money”. You’re better than that Bart. I like your stuff, but I’m getting tired of sitting through these clickbait title videos that never come close to delivering on the promise in the title and thumbnail. If it’s not clear what you are talking about through just the hand breakdown, you should have the courtesy of making a short outro for each video that actually does deliver on the big promise in the thumbnail. Im sure my sub means very little to you, but if I get clickbaited one more time with one of your thumbnails (I’ve lost track of how many times you’ve done it now) I’m going to unsubscribe permanently and never watch any of your stuff again.
He probably has a thumbnail editor
you took it personally
You probably get triggered by mean tweets too, huh?
Click bait headlines printing money. Never heard of that? It work for fish!
Obviously calling regs with 3rd pair is how you print money….for them. What’s confusing? 😅
Get owned kid
hi bart love u cutie
Go sub to Live King, his content is top
Notch
I’ve seen u play at the lives not impressed at all
WhT about 5s6s? Wouldn't it be played this same way.
Ouch 5s4s OUCH.
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