Mastering Bet Sizes for MAX Value with Ace King
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we break down a 2/5 no limit live cash game hand where our caller has to decide how best to navigate bet sizing after facing a small raise on the flop. Discover why he decided against a bet/3 bet and learn how this choice impacted the overall value extraction from his opponent. This video is perfect for live cash game players looking to refine their poker strategy and get practical tips on making the most out of every hand.
Key Takeaways:
Navigating Bet Sizing: Learn the strategies for adjusting your bets to maximize value without scaring away opponents.
Decision Making: Understand the pros and cons of different betting lines.
Analysis: Professional poker coaching insights to elevate your game.
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0:00 - Intro
0:20 - Preflop
1:08 - Flop
7:34 - Turn
13:03 - River
14:40 - Hero Decision
14:47 - Reveal
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See 15:06 as we roll it back to the flop to show how the bet/3bet sizing could have played out. Yes a bet/3bet is strong but with a flush draw on board we still get a lot of calls from top pair. We also maintain betting lead and get to size later streets more effectively to get stacks in.
Why was the possibility of calling the flop raise and leading the turn not discussed?
I almost always check raise on same-bet too (sometimes even as a bluff). So glad that it's in accordance with Bart's philosophy.
It's just very weak when an opponent same bets or smaller on the turn. I think you can check raise in a lot of spots vs opponents that do that and take down the pot with bluffs.
@@hickoryst.6961I say the same thing against limpers😂
4:31 Talking about 3-betting the flop vs hands like Kxhh, A3hh and A4hh but hero is barely ahead of those hands.
The only reason to 3-bet is if V has a fair chunk of Kx hands to offset the times that V does have 55/22.
what do you mean: _barely ahead of those hand_ ?? He is ahead by a mile. 3-bet is a right move. (denies him pot odds, and removes bluff option later).
However, does V have those speculative hands? ?? A set, which is very likely, would clean H stack in no time (drawing dead 99.5% of time!!).
So, yes: NO 3-bet is an (sound) option here.
Why would a hand like KJ call a 3 bet on flop, though? What's he ever beating? You're ahead of no worse K, you're barely beating combo draws that very, very, very rarely 3 bet at 2/5 anyway and you're drawing almost dead against KQ, AK, KK and AA.
Bart is a good, thinking player, but he's clearly lost touch with the reality of low stakes poker.
Even fish know to fold when you start bending their fingers backwards.
@@joshuakennedy8094why does low stakes poker differentiate from higher stakes? People play more aggressively and bluff more?
Lowest stakes people are more loose passive and bluff far less.
@@BobbySlickRick _why does low stakes poker differentiate from higher stakes?_ lol
Why a jet differs from an 8 seat low altitude plane??
@@pot_kivach160 I just don’t understand why your playing style would change depending on the amount of money you’re playing for. EV doesn’t change based on how much money you’re playing for
If river was 2, that would help Hero right? I had a similar situation and went into Villain rivered quad.
I think the way this played out is probably at the high end of available value, but when the button "same-bets" on the turn, I don't know if I would have the intellect to just call that, feels like an opportunity to set up for a 1/2 or 1/3 pot sized bet on the river to give villain odds to call with top pair. I'd be thinking about how to raise that turn-bet in a way that gets SPRs so I can make a 1/2-pot sized bet that gets villain mostly-in.
And if it's a draw he'll easily call $500.
Yo Bart when you gonna be the announcer on HLC again? 🤔
Question, i play alot of online (have been for almost 10 years now) which i know is different than live but i noticed your same bet comment which I definitely agree is weakness most of the time. The tell i never see talked about is down betting which is probably less of a thing live bc the bet sizing is less structured and exact live. I rarely see someone double barrel going 2/3 pot and then going less than 2/3 on turn., Somewhere from 1/2 pot to 60% pot is almost always weakness. Is that read accurate or just a lower stake thing i play between 35 & 70NL 6 handed regular tables ( i'm in canada and the site i play is in euro's). I'm curious the higher the stakes if that becomes less of a tell I do recognise stack depths plays a part if its a 3 bet pot and the sizing on turn is down bet is set up to leave a descent river size but but that to me is the exception not the rule Would love to hear some thoughts.
When this guys wife asks what do you want for dinner , I can’t imagine the levels of things that goes through his mind lmao
I think the combination of the turn raise and river jam make it difficult to get called. Think w the player doing the $125 flop and turn bet I use his own recipe and bet the same amount on the river as the turn raise and expect to get called 100% of the time.
The river did not really surprise me here. The villain is beating air only. I wish there had been a discussion on flop about call donking, but only 3 betting or call checking are discussed. That would be the real difference in how I'd have played this versus how Nate actually played it. I'd have called the raise to 125 on flop, but I would not have checked turn. I'd have donked for about 240.
I agree. I like donking turn for 250ish and then going like 425 on the river to get crying called by weaker kings. Unless villain is a massive calling station, you just don't get called enough on the river by taking this line. I also don't want to give villain the opportunity to check back a heart draw on the turn.
Favorite calls are with nate
Wouldn’t bet 3-bet flop be a little bit of an overplay?
I’ve definitely seen sets raise small to get calls.
If I thought the Villain had a K. I would have a hard time not wanting to jam the River just like Nate did. Unless I kind of knew the player and thought he would make a nitty fold of KJ or lower. I would expect KQ to make the call. Otherwise Bart's 475$ sounded perfect. But I don't blame the caller for doing what he did. I would have also been super disappointed when i saw that K flashed as he folded. I too HATE missing value in any way.
What hand does KQ beat on the river here? Does villain suspect Nate up front jams a busted AXhh here? I suppose many will feel it's too nitty to fold KQ here, but I don't think it will be good here very often. Now against a LAG, that's different, but I doubt Nate's image is as a LAG.
Spades or Ruggles club?
I don’t really understand why they completely discounted 55 or 22. Villain limped pre-flop, raised flop, bet turn and called the raise.
That’s gonna be a set at least a decent percentage of the time
I had the same question - happened to me recently got called down and lost it
Probably because of the flop raise size and turn bet size. Especially in live play, 55 and 22 are likely raising 3.5-4x on flop rather than 2.5x, and not going for ~1/3 pot on a brick turn but rather at least 2/3 to 3/4.
b/c V did not have a set, and they BOTH knew it!
I agree, although the same bet on turn discounted it for me cause hero calling the flop raise looks like a made hand and offered a bigger turn sizing.
he bet so small on the turn though, to me that's what really gave it away
4:56 _if he had set of 55, you don't have to worry about anything, right_
I don't get this one.
i guess the villain "found out where he was"
So, villain had a K but didn't have the K of hearts which is what I thought. I figured if he had KQ, KJ, Kx of hearts he would have bet larger on the turn. I'm not entirely convinced villain has KQ or even KJ. I think he might be weaker with K10. If villain is calling the check raise on the turn, then he's calling the 705 shove on the river with KQ.
I don’t understand the river jam at all. You think he call with KQ of hearts after you raise the turn. I can see getting a little value but you only getting called by jamming by hands that beat you. Wasn’t played well at all, imo. I’d rather jam on turn than river.
@@hickoryst.6961 I’d have to replay it all again, but I was trying to make decisions during the hand. I think the flop bet is right on. I may have re-raised on the flop but maybe not. Depending on my read of the villain. I put him on KQ hearts. I feel like hero knew he was supposed to not check river so went 1.5x the pot or so. Have to rewatch to make sure, maybe way off. But I think only way to make money is to value bet. Feels like hero just didn’t want to check and took the thinking out of it. Scared of getting reraised and costing himself money. I really don’t see how anything losing to him calls that bet. KX should be not much more than a bluff catcher imo.
@@hickoryst.6961 Sorry. I was in a drive thru and listening while driving. I had the size of the pot way off after the turn. I can understand the jam. Anything between $400-$700 hard to find much fault with imo. I mean the jam might be a little much. Ideally I would rather raise a little more on turn to get it to 50-60% pot on river but in real time it isn’t nearly what I thought.
Did he mention if it was the K ❤?
Exactly my question! No mention of the suit, I’m gonna check discord to see if he said anything there
How Asian was the villain?
Asian male age 25-70
Most important question that wasn’t asked.. 😂
I don’t understand the river jam at all. You think he call with KQ of hearts after you raise the turn. I can see getting a little value but you only getting called by jamming by hands that beat you. Wasn’t played well at all, imo.
you know, when stuck alone in a trench with one single gun, and no way out, you jumped out and start shooting everything that moves and not moves. If there's nobody, you are relived, and if there is a squadron of warriors, you're dead anyway, quickly, so won't feel the pain. That's what H did when jammed river.
Hence the fold
when hero raises turn that’s never a bluff and will never be strictly a flush draw after calling flop raise I think that’s quite an easy fold for villain on River I think calling turn and open ripping River after the hearts missed is a lot more effective and will get called
Tbh whatever he did if it is 3bet flop or check/raise turn it is extremely strong to me. I would be shocked to potentially see AK only. Ofc my perspective is online i just once played live
really? you have only played live 1? Online and live really are incredibly different. But in the end, it's all just betting and calling. Do you live in the middle of now where and don't have any access to live games? what about home games, no one does that around you? or do you just love to convivence of online poker? I personally don't think it's healthy to be able to gamble on the toilet or with no pants on.
If this guy thinks he can steal the betting lead with a draw by x/raising flop, he's in for world of bad news on the turn. Check in flow on the turn?? Never.
My thoughts exactly. At least hero check raised turn, but I personally don't like risking him checking back and then giving up on river if we fire big, which we'd have to do since we got no value on the turn and didn't build a pot.
If he is nitty you probably got max value.
Are you betting on the election Bart? And for who?
First 😎