The Manipulative Nature of the Gospel Message
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2023
- Unravel the layers of the gospel message and explore how it can be used to control, guilt, and manipulate those within and outside the walls of your local Christian church.
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during a church service i attended when i was still pretty young, the sermon included the topic of inherited sin. i learned that my parents had to sin to make me, and that meant that i was born as a sinner. on the car ride home, i asked my parents about heaven and hell. their answers for what it would be like were contradictory and unsatisfying. i asked how long forever was, and they told me that it was a greater length of time than i could ever imagine or comprehend. then i asked, "so i'm going to suffer forever after i die because you had to sin to make me?" and my parents said, "maybe. god has already decided who's going to heaven and who's going to hell." i asked how he determined who went to hell, who went to heaven, and they told me it was pretty much just up to god's will, that it didn't matter how good or bad a person was, and that i wouldn't know where i would end up until i was facing my judgement. my mom told me that she wouldn't be able to miss me if she went to heaven and i went to hell, because she would be too wrapped up in the praise and worship of god, and said god took away all pain and suffering, including the pain of mourning or missing someone important. "you'd let god send me to hell?" i asked. "if it's his will, i can't stop him." in one conversation, i figured out that their god was a monster, and i was too old to believe in monsters anymore
This is the best thing I've ever read!!!
One. Nothing you said is accurate unless your parents had sex outside of marriage. You don’t inherit their sin. You have to read the Bible.
@HappyPenguin75034 they told me they had sinned to make me, not that it's actually true, simply because i wasn't an immaculate conception. and no, i really don't have to read the bible. i don't care to read the bible either. i've tried to before but couldn't get past a few pages into genesis because it's all nonsense.
@@tuwuesday you believe what your parents said but don’t care about the truth? Bible says unless you repent and believe the Bible is foolish. You agree.
@HappyPenguin75034 i didn't and still don't believe what they said. i care about the truth, but the bible clearly doesn't, so i don't care what the bible says in the slightest. i'm not a christian and never have been.
"if god is mad at you for asking why then he didn't make it easy to understand and that isn't your fault" so spot on
You can only truly understand who you are in reality by looking into the mirror of the word of God. For instance, you then realize that you are not a good person? Why? It's because we all the sinful nature inherited from Adam. We are all responsible for breaking God's moral law. So if ALL HAVE SINNED, then not one of us can justify ourselves before God. Therefore, God didn't make you a sinner. You are a sinner because you have sinned. "As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10-12) This is why you need the Savior Jesus Christ. "For He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Corinthians 5:21) This is the wonderful good news of the gospel !
@@christophergibson7155 Yeah, well, like I give a sh*t currently about the moral system of Deuteronomy 20:13, 21:11, Judges 21:14, and 2 Samuel f***ing 24:16, mate.
Also, ever heard of Mahavira? Guru Nanak, or Siddhartha? Or even Confucius, or even - Voltaire? Many of who just got on with things.
And sin BEGAN IN Heaven. It just popped UP one day out of NOTHING, or possibly bad angelic design.
Now - why could Satan revisit heaven... EVER, or keep any powers? And who cares what some demented, deranged being, thought of Job? And his 'replaceable' (spit) family.
Also, who sits out a blood libel, upon medieval Jews, a slave trade lasting 127,000 times the period it took to accuse, sentence, and eliminate Achan's ENTIRE family, in Joshua 7:24 - or Korah's, in Numbers 16:28 (ages of many, unknown) or to eliminate one man gathering firewood on Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32?
And the thousands eliminated, by plague, for being counted in a f***ing census, in 2 Samuel 24, who David unsuccessfully pled, for? A few chapters after he pled, for the life of Bathsheba's INFANT son - who passed away, by implied curse, over an entire, d&mn week?
How - heroic, that was? How... merciful.
Now - go and fulfil John 14:13, maybe, thanks?
As Augustine, Luther, Calvin, and Torque-freaking-mada, NEVER got asked to fulfil - or establish their, outward, credentials.
And He chose to conceal Himself from humanity, by default. Nobody forced Him to. No angel got hidden from - even the nutty ones, suddenly unhappy or suicidally proud, in heaven. Nor making 'choices' to 'fall' an entire species under a 'glass darkly', and other things that eventually drag Romans 1:20 (which FAILED oftentime, in the angelic realm, too) into being a ropey, incomplete mess - today.
Thanks. Also, Matthew 17:20? Use it well - a lot of starving Africans, might benefit.
Just stop coasting, though. All of your querulously, schisming, squabbling myriad selves. Seeking tax exemption, and then political leverage, and media ones - too.
Also, saving a narrow pathed, predestinated group of not 'natural men' isn't necessarily fully impressive. Maybe also intervene on blood libels, Inquisitions, and slave trades - next time.
Or else maybe people might think gathering wood on Sabbath, or hiding loot, is more 'detestable' on the cosmic scale, say. As they got direct divine attention - seemingly. And clear communication (an increasing, rarity)
God will meet them with the courage to "wrestle with Him" in their pursuit of His blessing.
@@RonKelmell Well, that's nice.
Can I hear, how long He did so, with Torquemada? Or Pope Paul III - or Calvin?
And several kings - and influential people, during the slave trade, in Christendom... and blood libel, upon medieval, Jews?
For context.
Why and when was God mad at you for asking why?
“You make them sick then sell the cure…”
This is like the fireman who set the fire and then seeks credit for putting it out.
Spot on, Kristi.
But you are still sick with no hope
@@jwsanders1214 You wish to continue selling us a fake cure.
The fastest way to create an atheist is to have a person read the bible while thinking
You moved up
The greatest miracles are,
Everything came into existence out of nothing.
Or better; Life came into existence from NON life.
I encourage you to read pauls letters - god bless
@@jackisgangs. Well.
I encourage you to read.
(The god delusion) by Richard dawkens
Are you going to do that???? No???? Then stop asking people to read the Bible
@@DarkFay its funny that you say that, as that is on my reading list! Peace and loveto you :)
@@jackisgangs I eoncourage you to accept the reality that half of Paul's letter are fraud and that greek stories from greeks, for greeks by greeks are meant for 2nd-century greeks and not Americans who have not the faintest glue of greek and jewish culture.
After being in Church for 40 years, I have realized that Christianity really tells you that you cannot truly be a free thinking individual.
Yet Christianity claims loving which is false
jarodcarnarvon5198 - That may be what some churches and denominations instill but don’t blame Christianity. The entire premise as I understand it is to think for ourselves and use our free will to make a choice. There could be no heaven or hell without that choice.
Peace to all!
@Ian Alan false that's blasphemy you'd be stoned for that belief it's the belief they teach you or Stoned In this case it's not abdul they call it's John Get the Stones
@@ianalan4367 On the contrary! 'Heaven' and 'Hell' are just the 'Carrot' and the 'Stick' in the oldest form of mind-control known to our poor, benighted species: RELIGION! And they are not only manipulative, but coercive, thus rendering the very concept of 'free will' null and void.
Mercifully, such absurdities as heaven and hell cannot possibly exist, except in the deranged imaginations of fundamentalist fairy-tale believers! Free will is really only possible once one has freed oneself from the chains of ideological indoctrination, (whether political or religious... but especially from religious indoctrination!)
@@ianalan4367 2 choices doesn't equal free will
You nailed it. It’s all fear and guilt. I remember learning about Jesus in kindergarten and only asking Him into my heart because I didn’t want to go to Hell. And I felt weird for not loving a man I had never met, but everyone else seemed to love Him.
In response, there are several things you mentioned:
1) if it was “all fear and guilt” for you, then I’m sorry but that means you’ve failed to grasp the heart and meaning of the gospel.
2) Your mention of heart and hell in the same sentence is clear evidence that you have not understood what Jesus of the gospels is all about.
3) Fear is a real and legitimate experience - not a dirty word. If you can’t deal with fear you are hiding from reality. As a human you have to have a viable and existential answer to fear. If fear is the only thought that comes to you in reading the gospel (if you ever have), then it’s gone completely over your head.
4) For you to write what you have written it means you are unaware of the the experience of receiving the overwhelming love of Christ…..something that happened to me at age 24.
Fear is one of the 4 cornerstones of Christianity. Believe or ELSE!
@@theonlyway5298 Aren't you precious.
You do know there are thousands of different sects of christianity with thousands of different ways to manipulate people into belief, right? Many of them use fear of god, fear of judgement, fear of devil, fear of demons, fear of eternal torture, fear of death to make people believe and keep them believing. If you didn't have the fear of god put into you, consider yourself lucky.
Guilt... Think about a church that tells people sex is sin, when people are naturally sexual beings, or one that says gay is evil and wrong and sinful and you'll go to hell for it what do you think that does to a gay kid or a trans kid?
Not all churches are the peace and love and fluff experience you seem to come from, think about the vast difference between the god of the old testament and the jesus of the new testament and that both are supposed to be two parts of the same being, that is how much this religion varies from a wrath of god religion to a peace love and turn the other cheek religion. From a racist religion of the south and slavery and the kkk to a religion that fought those people.
@@jimbob3030 Yes I am precious, but so are you - very much!
@@jimbob3030 You are walking around with very wrong and misguided conceptions in your mind! I can’t really relate to your comment because it bares little relation to my understanding of Christ and his body.
Your deconstruction of these subjects is so clear and rational, yet done in such a kindly, non-confrontational way. Makes me mad with myself I fell for this stuff for so long! But such is the power of cult manipulation and why we need people like yourself to help people think critically and see behind the curtain. Thank you for the great work you are doing.
Don’t feel bad, your were a victim of bad ideas, it’s not your fault
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
Go watch them
nah shes gaslighting all of her videos are horrible and makes me upset to the point where im like bro why are people posting on youtube content like this ...its misleading and not only that shes damning herself and others
Soooo good and insightful. Dear God, if you wanted me to steer clear of “sin” for a lifetime you should have stopped my abusers and molesters at age 6-7 thru my teen years. But ya didn’t and they kinda thrived onward. I was labeled but kept my silence. 😢
I'm so sorry you went through something so horrible. I hope you've found some healing.
There will be justice. If not then randomness of life really got my fucked up. But keep seeking to understand. I hope to meet you in heaven. Pray for me, please.
God created free will
God didn't create robots
@@user-ud6dx8ti2j man created god. So there you go.
@@artmeacademywiththesaltyse9537 you're gonna feel like the biggest dummy when you die and realize there's an afterlife
Thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven
And my favorite are of atheists😆
The phrase "The men that wrote this book were divinely inspired" is the exact phrase a group of men would use to force their wills upon a group of people.
Lmao fr
Expect there is no prove that they were godly inspired.
Men were divinely inspired 😂...thats how everyone should have known it was cap to begin with..mens nature is not even connected yet men are the head of religions..all perversion and lies
Supposedly, Joseph Smith was "divinely inspired ", but was called a mental case.
@@bronwentillman8385I kept telling the cops God had told me to sacrifice that kid, but those Satanists still threw me in a cage, praise Jesus.
Edit: No, I didn't kill the kid, God told me not to at the last second, but they're persecuting me for "kidnapping" and "torture", absurd, the torture was entirely psychological.
I've often described Christianity as similar to a cycle of domestic abuse. The abuser will tell the victim they're bad, the cause of the abuser's anger, and they have to punish you because they love you! And you should be grateful for this and worship them. Wash, rinse, repeat.....
Or the "free will" thing is like your abuser telling you you're free to leave but if you do they'll blow your brains out
Excellent metaphor
There's no free will in the bible. None. The bible is a history book from the isrealites perspective. The captivities,the victories, everything is for the isrealites.
The Christian god is very abusive.
You're spot on. It's just that simple.
God only gave the commandments to isreal. No one else. God did not give the isrealites free will. Just like you punish your kids for something they did. You still love them but they have to be punished. Christianity is loosely based on the bible.
You said exactly what I’ve been trying to say to my mom “when you see it you can’t unsee it”. I can’t go back to Christianity bc it’s not real “
No my friend , Jesus loves you and that’s the truth .
Everything foretold about the Last Days is coming to pass right before our eyes , and you can’t see it , open your eyes
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
Yes , and he loves us
@@jwsanders1214are you okay?
Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah's Ark, the place of crossing the Red Sea, with traces of an unnatural change in the bottom in the form of a bridge and the remains of the Egyptian army - chariots and kothi, the real Mount Sinai, the Altar of Moses and the Ark of the Covenant, all this was found. So GOD is more than real.
Derp
He probably created the world on a Monday morning ...
If you don’t believe in free will, then you must know that isn’t an argument. It’s just words that came out of your mouth without you having any part in it.
@@daedalus3491 If the Christian god can't interact with the world because it would take away our free will then why can he interact with angels, the devil and Paul without taking away their free will? That horrible free will argument is just another irrationally inconsistent cop out that Christians use when they're coming to the realization that their god isn't real.
@@joemillz10 He does interact with the world. This is the problem - people don't understand the theology they're criticising. Or maybe you can clarify a little.
@@daedalus3491 If your god is all powerful, can interact with the world, watches children suffer and die in the most horrifically brutal ways imaginable and, does nothing to stop it then it's the most evil monster that anyone can ever conceive of. Is your brain that broken that you would want to worship something like that?
THIS is the essence of something I have been trying to say to people for years. A Tri-omni god creates the preconditions for what sin is and how it is forgiven...so that god could decide how forgiveness is earned. It falls apart right there.
One of the most shocking things (by the lights of the people I was talking to) I ever said to my church before I left was that I didn't want someone else to be responsible for my mistakes; I was comfortable being held to account myself for anything I did. I have never done anything so awful I felt like a just god would condemn me forever for it. I can't wrap my head around the idea that any transgression, no matter how minor is a "stench in the nostril of the lord" equal to murder. It doesn't work.
Now, I just go with this:
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius.
Love that quote. Ty for sharing
Especially when “god” is the monster
@@jenniperkins4260if the God of Christianity is real, what are you really going to do about it? I want to know. There is no way to hold God accountable, even if He was actually doing something wrong. He’s GOD. What are you going to do, throw Him in jail?
@@waido_ if the god of christianity is real I will do the best thing possible: live life as good as I can, have a great time and fight for the courage to not ever serve tyrant gods that love to punish little humans for their own celestial ego needs.
If he is real he doesn't deserve any love from me according to his own standards. God made love conditional. So I have some actual pretty healthy and not too intimidating standards for the most mighty being evah. If he can't be a decent being and his hateful and punishes the innocent, then he is not worthy any love.
You are responsible for your mistakes. You’re responsible for bringing them before the one who is completely good. Who is the foundation for all moral values by which we can say this is wrong and this is right. Before the one who is morally perfect. The creator of all things. Wrong has no place with right. Evil has no place with good. Sin has no place with God. It is an impossibility for a sinful(evil/wrong behaviour) being to be with God(complete goodness) for eternity. Sin needs to be removed for that being to be with God. But we are fallible and finite beings incapable of achieving moral perfection on our own - as to atone for ourselves in such a way to be made right with God. This is why Jesus came. To do what we couldn’t, so that by simply trusting in him we could be made right with God. He came, he died, and he was raised. There is no other name by which you can be saved.
I recall going to sunday school with my aunt, uncle and cousin whilst I was staying with them. I wasn't raised religious and was always encouraged by my parents to ask questions if I didn't understand something growing up. I was ten years old the first (and only) time I attended Sunday school. It all seems baffling and illogical so naturally I wanted to ask questions about what was being taught. Within 10 minutes, I was asked to stop asking so many questions (I was curious but polite and respectful at all times and raised my hand until I was prompted to ask) and I was moved to another adjacent room and given some colouring books and crayons to use whilst they finished up with the other kids. I always felt that was highly suspicious.
Perhaps it was not highly suspicious. Perhsps the teacher felt the pressure to get that lesson taught.
What is sad is that no attempt was made to mert with you and with your relatives to have an opportunity to answer those questions.
Were you there very long?
You'll listen and you will believe. A refusal to do so is evidence of the pride with which you refuse to accept the word of God. For your sins you are being cast into the outer darkness of the next room where you can reflect on your guilt.
@@charleshuguley9323 lol what? Asking questions means you're cast into outer darkness? If we have answers that can't be questioned, then your religion and your god is an asshole. Your god appoarently gave us brains that use logic and reason everyday to get through life, but he wants us to not use the brains he gave us, basically dumbing ourselves down just to accept his message that he had men tell on his behalf because he can't be bothered to do it himself. This goes for all 3000+ gods in religion.
That is great. It just goes to show that kids are not dumb and know when something doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@@ajwinberg
If someone does not take the time to study it, how can that someone know.
It is easier for an adult just to say, I don't want to know. A child who cannot get his questions answered needs to be met with later, after a class or some other time.
"The main message of the Gospel is not that that you can be saved. It's that you are so bad that you need to be saved. These people aren't coming to you to deliver good news. They're coming to you to deliver bad news, so that they can deliver good news." 08:50
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real.
@@user-ud6dx8ti2jso what?
You wanna live kneeling, or die standing?
Thank you kristi for helping me get over of my religious trauma. It's amazing how brave you are speaking of a controversial subject.
Jesus goes beyond a religion
@@1inchpunisher715 they are now injecting me because I refuse to accept jesus
I agree with you, Kristi. I believe the story of Jesus dying for our sins is a blatant attempt to make us feel guilty and obligated. When the priests told me that Jesus died for me for my sins, I always wanted to ask, "Who asked him to die for me? I didn't ask him to."
So, if a couple of firemen rescue me from a burning building, and I am told one of them died, I will know what to say.
@@hoodatdondar2664will it help to know the firemen come back to life in 3 days?
@@samwestover9953 MMMmmm, we've got some really bad news for you... ;) Don't be afraid to think for yourself!
If he didn't die for u, u would have no chance to go to heaven and would have to pay the price for your sins, Jesus gave u a chance at eternal life, that shouldn't be something to be mad about
@@Mortal_Ghost "If he didn't die for u, u would have no chance to go to heaven and would have to pay the price for your sins, Jesus gave u a chance at eternal life, that shouldn't be something to be mad about"
claaaaaaiiiiims. Claims everywhere! Well, they can be true. IF magic is true. grow a brain.
you haven't even defined the g0d yet, but you are already ranting about the magic sky realm of the g0d.
“You make people sick so that you can sell them the cure - this is manipulative”. Very powerful, and unfortunately very true ☹️
God does not make people sick, sin does, God is our healer. All sickness and evil and death is in this current fallen world because of sin, but God will put all of that away at the end of this world, and in heaven in the eternity, there will be no more, aging, illness, injuries or death or sorrow anymore.
@@slamee100 I’ve come to agree, thanks for the reply. Since this message I’ve actually returned to Christianity and have repented, which was somewhat unexpected, but praise God :). I think the video refers to being made aware of sin, but without that (such as my own repentance for example) then we’re less likely to accept the message of salvation. Thanks again for your message and God bless.
@@slamee100poor thing, I'm sorry you are that deluded, I know it's hurting you day by day. I feel for you and hope you can break free from it 😔.
@@AntitheistHuman Wow you put so many words in my mouth! I am not poor, I am not deluded, I am not hurting and I have nothing to break free from, on the contrary, I am spiritually rich, I am not deluded because I know the truth from God instead of believing the lies in the world from men and Satan, I am happy everyday not hurting, And Jesus Christ already broke me free from the chains of sin and eternal death and I am looking forward to meeting God in His eternal heavenly kingdom. How's your day going?
I can tell you it would be amazingly better if you believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior!
@@iMilhouse Wow! God has done a great work in your life today, I hope you are very grateful to Him and thank Him in your prayers! All praise and glory to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! May God continue to bless you! :)
Thankyou for this. I have been going through my own deconstruction journey and stumbled upon this video. I was a christian for over 20 years and i have been kind of down on myself for not coming to my senses sooner. But the talk about manipulation and guilt makes me feel like it was less stupidity and more just that other people had too much effect on me. Friends and family all being christian makes it harder to break away. But your video has helped me feel better and given me some food for thought also. Thankyou so much.
From protestant to atheist, all is needed is a small step.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
Just got a ad saying I needed Jesus for watching this.
Your point has been proven thank you for showing me the truth
Once again sooooooo grateful to be raised my agnostics. I'm so sorry that there's all this harm in the name of religion
agnostics are just closet theists
I was raised on church and even though I'm not longer a christian, I'm really grateful because it was really good for me. I'm a person who have a lot of self love and knowlegde of my worth because of the things I was taught in Church. So I think it depends.
That's because false religions come from man and from Satan. Christianity is not a religion, it is a change in a person brought about by spiritual rebirth from God, hence the name "born again Christian." A "CHRIST" ian is a person who has been spiritually born again by God sending the Holy Spirit to dwell within them from the moment that they honestly accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, who loves Jesus Christ and believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior Who died and resurrected to pay for their sins for them, and tries to imitate Jesus in their life, pure and simple with no religion in the way. They have a personal on-on-one loving relationship with God through reading the Bible and praying to God and knowing God in their heart and spirit, not just in their mind.
@@sepulvedablvd7846 If you are going to play the blame game get it right, SATAN IS DEATH, GOD IS LIFE. You completely have everything backwards. ALL DEATH AND SUFFERING IS IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF SATAN AND SIN. GOD IS LIFE, HE IS THE CREATOR OF LIFE. SATAN BROUGHT DEATH INTO THE WORLD. JESUS CHRIST (GOD ON EARTH) DIED AND RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD TO DEFEAT SATAN AND ETERNAL DEATH FOR US, TO GIVE US ETERNAL LIFE RECONCILED WITH GOD.
AND, IF GOD HAD NOT FLOODED ALL OF THE EVIL OUT OF THE WORLD , MANKIND WOULD HAVE SELF DESTRUCTED A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE MAN HAD MADE THE ENTIRE WORLD A THEATER OF EVIL, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, IF GOD HAD NOT STARTED MANKIND OVER AGAIN WITH EIGHT PEOPLE, NOAH AND HIS FAMILY, THEN YOU I WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, WE WOULD NEVER OF HAD THE CHANCE TO BE BORN (HAVE LIFE) AND TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRISTS GIFT OF SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE.
SATAN AND SIN ARE WHY we are currently living temporarily separated from God, but all people who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior Who died and resurrected from the dead to DEFEAT ETERNAL DEATH for them and to PAY FOR THEIR SINS FOR THEM, will be FORGIVEN of their SINS and have ETERNAL LIFE reconciled with God.
See how that works? Do you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Have you ever read the entire Bible? Have you even read the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible in the New Testament in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
@@sepulvedablvd7846Good old blasphemy. How naive. Let’s wait for the result⏳
If god gave people the "gift" of freewill, yet punishes those use their freewill to question religious teaching, that's not really a gift. Sounds more like the conditional love of a manipulative abuser. Thank you for this video. You said the things I've been thinking, but struggled to express.
He fr sounds just like my abusive parents
Yeah, Christians will beat themselves up if they even have a thought of there being no God. In their mind, even questioning is a sin,
they had to invent the theory of free will to explain all the evil that exists. because how could a divine being create such an evil world like the one we live in? well...because of free will. so the next question would be, so there's no free will in heaven? there can't be free will in heaven because we would run into the same issues we have now with free will. the whole thing makes no sense when u apply logic
@@dagg310 Have you read the Quran?
@@dagg310There is no Evil in Heaven that is why Fallen Angels got kicked out
I like Dan Barker's analogy of God as a psycho neighbor. He tells passersby neighbors that he has built a torture chamber in his basement and he's gonna throw them down there because he's angry they dont love and respect him like they should. Later on he tells them he actually threw his son down there and that made him feel so much better that he's going to gather them all in his attic instead where they can praise him all day every day.
This is serious mental illness!
When my kids were born, it locked in this idea that took a few years to develop, but this idea that the doctrine of original sin was not valid. They were so little and perfect and beautiful, and it dawned on me that it was just the world that created this idea of sin.
The Christian God is the ultimate example of a mafia or mob boss shaking people down if they refuse to pay "protection fees".
Interesting. I find it funny all those who choose to think this way almost entirely have never read the bible … because of social pressure
Never heard of many mafia bosses dying for others so that they could live instead of themselves. Mafia bosses tend to have the opposite attitude, like killing anyone who gets in their way, just so they can live.
God: "knock, knock."
Man: "Who is it?"
God : "It's me God. I've come to save you."
Man: "Save me from what exactly?"
God: "From the horrible things I'll have done to you if you don't let me save you."
@@ImadeGodmybitch God: You can eat from any tree in the garden, just don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Man: Why can't I eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
God: The moment you eat from it you shall surely die.
Man: Thanks God for the freedom of choice to choose if I want to eat from the tree of knowledge of the good and evil, but I think I'll disobey you and eat from it anyways.
God: I love you, that's why I gave you free will to choose me, "the tree of life" not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which leads to death.
Even though you sinned and disobeyed my one and only commandment, I love you soo much I'll give you another chance. I'll send my one and only Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Man: We don't care about your rules, we want to be our own gods and do what we want. We don't want to be saved.
God: Have it your way I will not force you to do anything against your will. I created you to be a loving companion of mine.
Just remember, this is never the way it was supposed to be from the beginning, I wanted you to be with me, but of your own free will, not as a robot, who is programmed to do exactly as you want, because you can't show love that way, and you were meant to be free.
Man: Gets sent to hell for the sins he committed against God and rejecting his one and only Son as his punishment for his sins and says, Why God?, why? this is not fair, please help me.
God: Fair? Fair? You wanna talk about fair? Did I not warn you from the beginning, that the moment you disobey me and eat from the tree, you shall surely die? Yes I did but you didn't listen.
Did I not send my one and only Son as a sacrafice for your sins and all you had to do was believe in him and you would be saved? Yes
What more could I have done? for there is no greater love than one who lays his life down for a friend. And that's all I wanted to be to you is a friend, yet you continue to reject me.
So just know this like I told you in my word, "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior."
So if you end up in hell after all my warnings, and me wanting to save you, it'll be of your own free will, that you went there. I didn't send you there, you choose to go there on your own.
Man: Why can't you just let me do, what I want, whenever I want, however I want, and to whom I want, without consequences?
God: You've just described me, whom of which you despise. Sorry only one can hold that title and do what is right and just, and that's me, the Word made flesh, the mighty God, the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, Jesus!!
Salvation is as easy as ABC, and since I'm not sure if you've heard the abc's of salvation, I'll tell you.
A) Admit that were are all sinners in need of a savior.
B) Believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose again the third day.
C) Call upon his holy name and you will be saved.
For the bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. ~Romans 3:23
For these sins we earn our wages, which is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. ~ Romans 6:23
God's word tells us, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God had raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. ~ Romans 10:9
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ~Romans 10:10
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. ~Romans 10:13
Call upon his holy name, Amen
It's strange - I am debating a Christian on this very topic, the same day I came across this video! Your content validated the points I'm trying to get him to understand. Keep up the great work!
Glad the universe brought you here 😊
If you find Christianity manipulative then why are you trying to manipulate someone OUT of it?? I have laid down my life for others, made it available as needed. Yes God made the rule of forgiving only by blood because He knew HE would be the one to pay the price. Father God and The Son of God who died are One. Therefore it is not nonsense. It is foreknowledge, it is preplanning, it is mercy and grace.
@@suzannehartmann946 I'm not trying to manipulate anyone. I present my findings and ideas. Your testimony is typical for a Christian - make assertions as though they are fact. Do you realize your beliefs are only that? Beliefs. You don't *know* your assertions are true. You assume they are because you got exposed to them and accepted them as fact. One of the reason your assertions don't make sense is because God had an infinity number of possible solutions available when He created this world, yet you assume the one that's true is one of the cruelest possible. Why? Because a 2,000 old book written by primitive people said so? Not good enough.
@@suzannehartmann946 what do you mean you laid down your life? That phrase has always referred to the dead. How does it apply to you?
If you mean you're willing to die for what you believe, I'll say "so what"? So were the 911 hijackers. Does that mean they had the truth?
I'll be praying for you and everyone who watches your videos. I wish you no malice, nor do I wish you harm. You have been in my prayers since I stumbled upon your videos a few days ago. And on behalf of those Christians who shot you down, refused to answer your questions, and presented a hypocritical version of the Gospel message to you; I am deeply sorry. We humans mess up God's message. And I'm sorry you feel it was a set up.
Anyway, I am praying for you.
When I was younger and I found out that God was going to send undeserving people to Hell for not believing in him. I instantly was disgusted. Who would punish somebody for eternity for something so petty? How can anybody believe such nonsense?
You are very articulate. Thanks a lot for clarifying what I have been thinking and feeling for so long!
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
The system makes 100% sense from the inside. It's like an abusive relationship where the victim is completely subjugated into believing they are the problem. Christianity only works while you believe you are nothing without him, that he does these things because he loves you.
And he needs more money.
Yep, so true. God is always right, you are always wrong.
@Lila Feldman This is a totally rigged game where the house always wins lol. It is pretty amazing how you can't see it from the inside. I was one of those. Glad to be out even tho it has been an extremely painful road.
@@FinHammer yea it's crazy painful and I think it's more painful the older you get. The biggest pain I have now is the wasted time, not like I would have cured cancer or anything important, but just to have the ability to make my own choices and not believe I was basically waiting for the next life. There is so much wonder in the world and I wasted my younger years not experiencing it.
@@FinHammer yea it's crazy painful and I think it's more painful the older you get. The biggest pain I have now is the wasted time, not like I would have cured cancer or anything important, but just to have the ability to make my own choices and not believe I was basically waiting for the next life. There is so much wonder in the world and I wasted my younger years not experiencing it.
we are of one mind. It´s a good thing for the world that so many former christians are sharing their sad experiences on faith. You are brave and empathetic. Thank you so much.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 "No she isn't" what?
She seems to be lost in the self satisfaction that she feels ankjt4 herself. She has said that she is smarter than God.
I pray she will repent and stop making so many false accusations against God.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846
5 bible passages that caused me to lose my faith, is the one before this one.
@@judyswiderski2682 it's a critique to the christian message of fear and guilt. Of course, if you are a christian you wont like what she says but try not to judge too soon and listen carefuly instead. You may learn something about your own religion that will help you to understand your beliefs, if you are coraugeous enough to be honest to yourself.
@@judyswiderski2682 You are misrepresenting her when you say she claims to be "smarter than God", which she never said.. Her point is that the Bible was written by fallible human beings, and the result is often illogical upon critical examination.
Love, love, love the message!! 🧡🧡 Thank you, Kristi!!
Lol when I was first deconverting, I got into Genetically Modified Skeptic, but now that I found your videos I'm officially addicted, Lol! Your videos are short, sweet, more relatable (from my prospective) and to the point.
Your videos pretty much make me feel like you mind read me throughout my life and made my thoughts into a short little video. 😂
I love it!
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
I was scared and confused as a 10 year old when a friend told me I needed to be saved. I then prayed the "sinners prayer" and felt nothing... It all felt like pretending from then on. It took until I took a six week "Hearing God" course through our church when I was 40 years old to realize maybe it wasn't me. Even if I hadn't given God everything I could before, during that course I poured my heart and soul in and came back with nothing. Until then I had blamed myself that God wasn't showing up and then I started to wonder if it was real at all. It has been a beautiful yet very difficult journey to get my life back. Thanks Kristi for sharing your insight and wisdom.
There is no such thing as a sinners prayer.
@@hogansheroes2793 Yes there is. And it doesn’t work because there is no god
@@kayas1fangirl837 You are without excuse.
The creation screams that there is a creator.
@@hogansheroes2793 Lol you are so funny.
@@kayas1fangirl837 Never heard someone's testimony whence they say that THEY LEFT CHRISTIANTY.
It is always have been about catholic religion from which they left and not a CHRISTIANTY.
Every soul who have come out with "Why I Left Christianity" ends up speaking about catholic religion.
And souls know it and understand it that:
Christianity is found only in the BIBLE, as a soul takes a bible, sits down and reads it and then start studying it in order to understand it, or we end up misreading the whole bible.
Coming to repentance and born again is each soul`s individual CONSCIOUS decision, which child (0 - 20 years) cannot do. It is the CONSCIOUS decision for the adults.
No child goes to hell to burn, GOD is not unjust, HE IS JUST JUDGE.
Hell fire waits us when we being adults and remain sinners.
The keys to understand the BIBLE are:
- hunger for truth
- THE COMFORTER.
Christians are expected to live out from the BABYLON and expose the wicked (masons and their death club, freemasonry), yet all of your stories are about being in the Babylon, and very deeply in. And as far as it sound, none of you left CHRISTIANTY, but all of you left catholic religion. Wise move. Now i, others and yourself can only pray that you`ll end up finding and understanding the real CHRISTIANITY.
So true! Once you see it you can’t un-see it. And after several years of unpacking, I’m still not done yet. I still find ingrained mindsets or beliefs about something that catch me off guard and I think, “why do I think like that”, and then I realize that it comes from those deeply seeded mantras that take hold of vulnerable, broken, and insecure individuals.
I was a young woman who didn’t believe I was good enough due to my experiences growing up and Christianity reinforced that belief. It was only when I really started questioning and pulling away from it that I got to know myself and learn that I am good enough.
Yet did you ever imagine what your thinking?.... "why do I think like that”, (is what you have stated here). You only have to go back to the origins in Genesis Chapter 3 verse 1 to see those very thoughts that were placed before Eve in the Garden of Eden.....What did the serpent (Satan) say? "HAS GOD REALLY SAID?" The first thing to enter one's thinking is DOUBT. Adam and Eve knew exactly what God had said to them, yet they entertained thoughts of doubt.
I hope this is something for you to consider.
There is none good. No not one.
All have sinned and fall short of thr glory if God.
The the heart is deceptive above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9. She is proof.
Realizing that you are not good enough...good enough for what?
@@judyswiderski2682 "Good"s truest meaning is moral excellence. And not one of us have obtained that.
God is Holy. Everyone has broken His moral laws-the 10 commandments. Therefore, we are rebels and criminals against a righteous and just God. You are guilty as charged. And the wages of sin is death.
That is what God will pay you for your crimes. But, oh, how there is such "good news" for that condemnation.
Jesus came and paid your debt for sin. He took your punishment and shame. He so desires to give you His righteousness in it's place. But everyone is called to repent, (turn around, and have a change of mind toward sin and self), then TOTALLY TRUST JESUS to save you. He is ever so faithful !
Without God's laws where would you get your morals from. They have to borrow from the Christion worldview to even know. This young girl has a purpose to mock Christ. She never responds to believers. Wicked. Her merchandise is wicked for the love of money.
The great thing about this woman's explanation for all of this is the simple, plain, everyday language she uses. I have not had to go to the dictionary one time to find out what she is talking about. Thank You Kristi.
Swallowed up all, with out a blink
She probably has endometriosis and is mad at God
It would be great to know y'all can't breed
i cant even explain how wrong she is, but say what u want to say
@supermanandbatmanishere so why are you here obviously because you were questioning things?
even with all the deconstructing I've done, I still feel guilt and shame rise up inside me when I dare to question the notion that I'm inherently evil.
Sometimes me too, although less and less.
But you must also know that not only we ourselves but generations upon generations of our ancestors were indoctrinated with this fear mongering..
I really believe it gets passed on some way, more than just being told it again. Perhaps it lives in a sort of collective unconsciousness. (I don't know)
But when you really take a look at it again, it's blatantly obvious that it's a sort of guilt tripping and blackmailing. And quite frankly the opposite of a loving way of handling your children, which we are supposed to be: the children of God.
i really like what you said. they say trauma gets passed down generations i believe religious trauma is the same. @@Sydebern
@@SydebernI became free of it once I acknowledged Christ as living God and ask Him to forgive my sins and started to seek His ways daily and do it step by step all guilt of sins that I have done has disappeared and His love has entered and now I spread it to whole world 😊
The notion that you are inherently evil is inherently and patently false. You, We, are actually inherently good, loving, righteous, compassionate, wise, intelligent, and divine creatures. We've just been programmed and conditioned out of knowing and believing in our own true selves; and you can thank or blame religion for that. True deconstruction requires a complete deprogramming and reprogramming of our belief systems, a cognitive makeover of sorts. One that requires re-definition of, and an honest (re)assessment of our (mis) concepts of heaven, hell, sin, forgiveness, etc. It's a lot to unpack but it can be done. Start with LIGHT as your guide and it will CERTAINLY lead you to the truth and freedom. Peace!
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
From early childhood, the whole "dying for our sins" trope was ridiculous. Thanks for this video
Why you think you can atone for your own crimes. Try that in a court of law.
@@harrisontaylor3751 that's exactly what being sentenced entails. The alleged perpetrator of a crime, when convicted of said crime, pays a fine, performs community service, serves a jail sentence, or is executed by the state.
However, the substitutional atonement offered by Christianity ⁉️
Try that in a court of law.
If the penalty is a fine, the court doesn't care where the payment comes from.
If it's community service, you might be able to perform it on someone else's behalf if they're not checking identification.
Jail sentence or execution, though? Sorry not sorry Jesus, you can't take someone else's place and why would you even want to?
For violent offenders such as r@pists and murderers, it leaves them free to continue committing such crimes and it leaves society at their mercy. And, since they've accepted Jesus' offer to take their sins, their crimes, onto his unblemished shoulders, they can continue committing such crimes with a get out of jail free card.
And the victims of the crimes get nothing. Even if they also follow Jesus, He not only doesn't prevent them from being r@ped and/or murdered, he might condemn them to Hell for a simple lie that they didn't have time to atone for, while the criminal is free to continue hurting more people *and* might still end up in Heaven.
It's also possible that the victims end up in Heaven with their attacker, but what kind of heaven is that?
@@harrisontaylor3751 Is ¨a court of law¨ the ( alleged ) ¨creator of all which exists, in every possible realm, with absolute knowledge of ALL from the very beginning of eternity¨ ( ...and yet still apparently went charging right on ahead with the original plans anyway, with neither a care nor a rethink.... ) ??
Just didn’t get it
@@AnnoyingNewsletters you literally never understood what Jesus did, and it's clear as day. I hope you can actually learn before speaking on this topic and dragging people down your path.
Hey Kristi,
Just want to say thank you so much for your efforts in making these videos.
After being raised Christian and converting to Islam in my teens, I went down the route of a Double Religious deconversion process.
Videos like yours helped me to Leave Islam after 15 years as a practicing Muslim and also to never consider Christianity as an alternative.
Keep up the great work, YOU ARE APPRECIATED!
Ex
😊❤💯
Inwhich ways her videos convinced you to leave Islam?
Of you were nsver born again then you never was a Christian.
Born again, born anew, regeneration us necessary. What does that mean? Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary:
Regeneration, Reproduction, the act of making new. In theology, new birth by the grace of God; that change by which the natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme love to God and his law, or holy affections are implanged in the heart. 'He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5.
These videos are zre proof of the enmity of 6:40 the heart toward God that we all have if we are not born anew.
@@judyswiderski2682 stop lying lmao people born Christians are Christians just because they aren't practicing doesn't mean they aren't real
@@FamilyIsGone
Jesus ssid Ye must be born again
John 3:3-8.
@@judyswiderski2682 doesn't matter you're probably lukewarm yourself so I say keep it yourself you still live in the Matrix watching celebrities every Friday on your couch scrolling through your phone
One of the first rules of marketing is to create a need so you can sell them their product.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@user-ud6dx8ti2jyes I suppose near death experiences from people in other cultures are just making it up but yours is totally legit 😂
Thank you for posting much needed videos like this. This is what I needed today.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
Being a queer American, the message that I was deeply broken inside really resonated with me.
And I just couldn't pray the gay away.
It's one of the great evils of religion - convincing people who don't "fit in" that they are the problem. Often leading to psychological problems later on. Religion is child abuse.
Hope you're better now. I'm lucky I never had to deal with stuff like that but am utterly devastated that there are millions of kids having to go through that right now because of some made up god.
That message gets me too, my Christian parents told me I was evil :(
@@shelby2697 Guess your parents were not great at procreation if they made an evil one like you. The responsibility is theirs not yours. Live life be happy , screw the church/ God.
Most every faith says so. And most of modern medicine, till recently.
@@hoodatdondar2664
Modern medicine grew. Religions did not.
Kristi is a good person and is so gentle in her way of helping people to separate from indoctrinated belief. Very well argued and she presents reason with such a sweet smile 😊
She’s smile is completely fake and serpent like
She is nice, but very deceived
@@billfrack6960 She has been a Christian for a long time, yet you assumed she is deceived. You just can't stand the fact that she has successfully deconstructed some of the flaws in the bible.
@@MindMeld143 ...I had a near death experience. Heaven is real and so is Hell. Whether she believes it or not ,she is pulling people off track in which I am sure the Devil is happy. She is intelligent and that is good , but off track in many areas.
@@MindMeld143 “ Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved “ How could God make salvation any easier for us ?
God knows we aren’t capable of living without sin in our lives no matter how hard we may try . Jesus is the only person who ever lived a sinless life . Heard of the 10 Commandments? I broke them , all of them , and so have you .
When Jesus came he took everyone’s sins upon himself, everyone who will ever exist , he took our sins as though they were his own , and he offers us salvation, redemption, and eternal life in exchange for death and punishment. He took our punishment for us
John 6:28-29 “ Therefore they said to him , What should we do so we can do the works of God ? “ Jesus answered and said to them “ This is the work of God , that you believe in the One who he has sent “
God has made it so , so easy for us . Jesus has accomplished everything fo us , all we have to do is trust him and accept the gift from his nail scared hand .
Thank you Lord Jesus for salvation and redemption. I believe you died on the cross for my sins and I believe you rose from the dead . I turn from my sins and to your salvation , Amen
This is a great video. I've thought a lot about this in the last two years since I left he church and you have said it all in a much more intelligent way than I ever could. You're so right, the gospel message and the tactics used surrounding it are so manipulative.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
Dam she said, “it would have been more merciful for Him not to create us”. That hit hard. It’s true,
Its not true.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@ginaruth4363it is.
Thank you. I grew up outside the church, subjected to lots of conversion attempts, and I keep trying to tell proselytizers that it doesn't sound like good news to me, it sounds like they believe in a cruel, manipulative deity who stacked the decks against us.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
OMG - you put into words what I've been internally struggling with for a long time now but just couldn't express it. It's like you read my mind completely. There are many reasons why I left Christianity and the guilt and shame were two of those reasons. I basically started to get really mad constantly hearing that I am worthless and nothing good in me... That is dehumanizing and demonizing and I finally had enough of it. No wonder why Americans have such self esteem problems and mental health issues! it's basis is RELIGION! I couldn't fathom why a God would degrade us so only to present a free will choice that really isn't a free will choice.
Thank you, Kristi!
💜 so sorry you've been through that but happy you're finding your way out! Best wishes
Wonder if you're getting any traction in the Vatican, Kristi! Hitch lives on in you.
God isn't mad at you. God is mad at your sin. You should be ashamed of your sin! Not yourself. Sin is a mistake, and we learn from mistakes. May you be guided to rejoin Christianity
@@dynox_So I'm responsible for what some man named Adam did over 2000yrs ago?
@@russell311000 when did I say that?
I never asked anyone to die for me, and never would, it’s disgusting !!!
Why is it disgusting?
@@blacksheep2409 let’s say I kill someone, and during the trial I am found guilty, and my sentence is the death penalty, the victim’s family is happy about the verdict, but all of a sudden this man gets up and says “ I will take this man’s place on the electric chair, let him go “. So I go scott free and he dies for my crime !! How do you think the victim’s family feels now !? What kind of justice system would we have if people could do that !? You now have a murder walking the streets once more !! It would be total chaos !! And where is the justice in all of that !? My philosophy is “ you do the crime you do the time “ period !!
In conclusion, I never asked to be saved, and I don’t want to be saved ! Saved from what ?! Ridiculous!! Adults shouldn’t believe in fairytales from a 2,000 year old book written by men to control them !! I stopped believing in fairytales the day I reached the age of REASON , I think everyone should do the same, it would be a better world…….
Thank you
How is that disgusting it’s like somebody taking a bullet for you. You didn’t ask to take the bullet, but they still did it because obviously they care for your life. It’s the same thing with crucifixion. Jesus Christ came down and died for our sins.
@@thefightinggamer234That is not the same and Christianity is a damned lie
That's because youre not God!!! That's why I worship Jesus Christ. He did for me what no one in this world would do!
20:15 😢😢😢 thank you so much. This little mesaage made me bawl like crazy. You are so sweet and remind me of my Sunday School teachers but you are telling TRUTH.
It's nice to not have to convince yourself that you are a good person.
I AM.
I don't see an agnostic or an atheist,i see a person that is asking all the right questions
Agnostic is someone who doesn't have knowledge of God. I do not know God exists. Therefore I'm agnostic.
And atheist is someone who lacks belief in God. I do not believe in god. Therefore I'm atheist.
I am agnostic atheist. I do not know of a God. I do not believe in a God. One can still ask questions and search for answers while maintaining that they do not know or believe in god.
@@jezebelvibes to say the least I'm impressed with your questions. I love them. They are honest and very thorough. Just keep doing what you are doing
Christianity sucks in a lot of way.
If you still read the Bible,I suggest you read James chapter 3. Christians are good at judging people wrongly I've been through a lot of it. The last verse in chapter 3 is what the real life is all about it's so simple
@@jezebelvibes last 2 verses. If you don't like when it says about referring to God. Throw that part out and live the rest,I'm confident you are living it already even now
@@jezebelvibesGo watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
I feel horrible having raised my children telling them that they were such wretched sinners that a perfect God-man had to DIE for them. Absolutely to lay on children. What a mess.
Maybe instead of telling them THEY were you should have said YOU were. You seem to be feeling that you were committing a pretty wretched sin in retrospect.
They are not born with sin. But when they are old enough they are able to.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
They r not born with sin when childrens r so small or of one year two year they r not sinners they r divine after our society make them sin hence we should follow good and teach children s dharma that is duty and righteousness and to live a life without sin
And teach them karma if they do good good will come to them if they do bad bad will and karma is real
Youre a genius Kristi.No one has ever broken it down like you have.
Plenty of people have. Watch your average Christian debate. This is nothing groundbreaking. I’m actually glad of her objections because they show why bad theologians and pastors have diluted the truth of God.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
Sin is a religious construct. We need not worry about that bc it means nothing to someone outside the religion. Great video ❤
So what you are then is it's okay to murder someone, and murder is a sin. However, I can say that sin is a religious construct, so committing murder then is not a sin and should not be arrested.
So you're OK if I beat you up?!?
@@arthurzettel6618morality exists without religion you know that roght?
@@Yawnyamanofcourse you cultists think about violence the first time you hear someone doesent believe in sin. Just so you know laws and morality existed far far before xtianity was even in someones mind
@@kollekciorozsdas6110 Except it does not. Your morality is just an opinion, Hitler had opinions as well. Who is right based on your point of view?
Again, another video that 100% asks the questions i asked our pastor in confirmation classes 23 years ago. I am loving your videos. I deconstructed at 14 years old on my own, but LOVE evaluating the bible and Christianity. Im always finding more and more things that pushed me away, constantly.
Science has the greatest miracles
Everything came into existence out of nothing !!!.
Or better, life comes from NON life
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
I am also a former Christian and I resonate with a lot of what you say. It's hard especially cause my parents are still very religious Christians
I hear you, my mother in her 80’s and my father still a pastor, I needed to leave 😅
Same. I am not sure if I am ever going to tell them. I am going to live my life as a free person, do my best to help the people around me and love 😊
My mom sends me daily bible quotes and I reciprocate by quickly googling verses to send back to her. She has no clue 😅.
@@eyeswideopenapril then do it follow your heart and mind but I wouldn't advice you to do it too late or choose Islam or Judaism it's all the same like Christianity but I feel Christianity is the worst of the religions
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@@FinHammer That will mean nothing when you stand before Jesus in the Day of Judgment. Our own self righteousness is as filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6) It's only the righteousness of Jesus given to you in exchange for your sins that will justify you in that Day. Do not be deceived
Excellent! I have heard the, "You just don't want to take accountability" argument from Christians but hadn't thought of a good response to that. Your response is perfect. It's like, "If I commit a crime but someone else goes to jail in my place, did I take accountability?"
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
@@user-ud6dx8ti2j LOL
I remember when I hit my mid 40s....I would wake up in a cold sweat. Worried about the "afterlife" and such. Well my answer to everything is do the research. After reading books by David Fitzgerald, Richard Carrier, Matt Dillahunty, Richard Dawkins and hearing talks from them and other well known atheists like Aron Ra, Shannon Q and Tracie Harris I realized my fears were not justified. When you really do the research and understand the nature of where the creation myth arose from. How many parallels there are to the story of Christ. And did Jesus Christ even exist at all? These are very difficult questions to answer but the evidence would seem to suggest that no, Jesus did not exist. And then in closing, why would "God" punish us for eons upon eons for the 80-100 yrs we live on Earth? Does that sound like Justice on any level at all?
One thing about Kristi, she doesn't delete those comments she may not agree with, so in this sense she's at least fair, letting those who come on her channel, to write what they believe.
ayo we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if you're interested
@@spider-man9118 Do you have any evidence for any of the supernatural events?
@@sulas548 we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested (read on)
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Jesus' blood on the Ark of the Covenant which had 23 x chromosomes and 1 Y chromosome. This shows that He was born of a virgin (Mary) and God the Father is His Father.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general. thanks for reading
Fairness is not a scientific concept. It comes from religion or philosophy. There are no standard scientific units of fairness with which to measure.
@@spider-man9118 YT did not notify me of your reply, maybe they have a BS filter.
Your reply is a very sad pile of nonsense.
This is NOT evidence it is just 'you' saying 'what' you believe, it does not address 'how' you ascertained that it is actually true.
1. The never skipped a day. Nonsense
2. The Ark was never found because it never existed in the first place. Where do you find this nonsense?
3. You believing the holy spirt exists does NOT make it true, it is just your opinion same goes for the soul.
As for your list from the Bible.
Before you can claim truth to any of the above you will need to demonstrate that the Bible can be trusted to be accurate.
Can you do that?
Don't use the book to prove the book. That is no different from what the Muslims do
You sound a little disturbed. Did god shit on your life to make you pay attention to him?
Don't you think that a benevolent creator of everything could come up with a better method of getting you to believe in him?
I've been on my deconstruction journey for a few years now and I've had my own opinions and thoughts on the matter, but never before have I heard someone say them out loud. Thank you so much for posting these videos. Deconstruction is traumatic and hard as hell but so so so worth the freedom it brings. You're doing an amazing thing here.
Thank you for the kind words ☺️ happy you've found your way to freedom!!
Agree ! Bless you
Thank you! I'm so glad you made a video of this! I like how you point out in multiple videos the manipulation tactics used by God of the Bible! What I've been thinking since I was a 6th grader forced into the religion.
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I love your videos so much🩷 thank you for making these
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j I actually listen to a lot of near death experiences, some of them say things about the Christian god but a great majority of them talk about
“god” being nameless and having no judgment. I think everyone’s death will be different just like everyone’s life is different.
Since I was little, growing up in the evangelical church, now atheist, I always asked, “what is the point of blood shed in the forgiveness of sins?” I got so many different answers that like you said, were thought stopping on my logical track. I’m glad I watched this completely logical video but wish I had watched it when I had questions. Christianity is a mass cult. They don’t think it is because it’s so massive. The definition of delusion excludes religion…why though? Even though beliefs are instilled in a lot of Christians since childhood, there are a lot of things that are crazy that I continued to believe in. I was delusional. Delusion is defined: a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. There is incontrovertible evidence against Christianity and every other religion. One will claim that faith isn’t a delusion. But those same people claim to “BELIEVE” in all of this. There’s a plethora of evidence against Christianity that these people believe in. The DSM doesn’t count belief in a religion a delusion. That’s because “When beliefs are shared by others, the idiosyncratic can become normalized.” I think that if these people aren’t presented with the evidence then yes, they aren’t delusional. But if they are presented with undeniable evidence, then they’re delusional if they keep believing. Christianity is tricky though. They’ll tell you to keep faith (keep believing) no matter what and that the devil is going to tempt them to not believe. Just another manipulative tool by Christians.
*stands up to applaud* BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
The funny thing is, Christians have been claiming for decades that "da gays" strong-armed the American Psychological Association into removing homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses. Meanwhile, religious people weirdly have this social-science privilege where their religious delusions automatically get removed from the list of mental illnesses just because religion is believed by too many people to be considered a delusion or mental illness.
The hypocrisy of it all offends me as much as women speaking in church offends god! Lol.
Well said
Cult of money power and control sad that it is phoney baloney
You need to understand that death means separation. Sin brings separation. If you are in a relationship and you sin against it, the logical course is to create a gap, a distance. Just if this happens between you and God, you will die. Not because He wants to kill you, but because He will not force you to live with Him, and He is Life Itself, so if you separate from Him, you will just die (first spiritually).
Now love, which is holiness, causes the opposite. It creates unity. The more you love the closer you become. To a point where 2 may be considered 1. This is naturally seen in society. Husband and wife, family, neighborhood, city, country, and so on. Now, if you love Jesus, which is God's Word, you become one with Him, by becoming one with Him, you will share fates, so the death and damnation of Jesus will count as your own, so you will not have to die and be condemned anymore.
This is why the Bible pictures a relationship of husband and wife between Jesus Christ and the church. You "marry" God so that you won't be ever separated from Life.
So I've finally seen the light and got over the whole "hell anxiety" for about 4 years now. I really enjoy these videos. I grew up in a strictly Pentecostal home. My dad was a minister. I wish I could remember all the points when I'm discussing it with others. Have you ever considered teaching? You are very good at explaining.
Quickly becoming one of my new favorites 😊
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Such a good video! Keep up the good work Kristi, sending love from Sweden :)
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Absolutely right on the money.
The more you think about the huge con of religeon (Christianity or otherwise), the more obvious the scam.
Great that you are out there doing all this and actually helping people 😎, not enslaving them ✝️
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27.
Religions are works based and can take people captive by their vain philosophies. Belief in Jesus is relational.
@@judyswiderski2682 That is just an instruction. I’ve provided 3 scriptures as proof.
Galatians 2:16
“know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.”
Matthew 6:1-4
“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”
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I am so glad I found you. Also, an AA, ever since Judith, the Happy Heretic, died....we needed someone as articulate as you to help us navigate our journey out of the cult of monotheism. Thankyou!!
Everything is a cult these days. You prefer secular cults. I prefer Jesus Christ as my master rather than anything else. Because everything else will make you a slave to it.
@@JD-gw3fpThat’s like saying your television’s “off” button is a channel. Getting out of a cult doesn’t mean you joined another. As for following Jesus, how sincerely did you look into other beliefs before choosing that one?
@kendalbrenneman Yes, I considered other beliefes, but they are all work based and mythical. No personal relationship with The Creator, just religions that tell you to be good. I'm sure you'll consider Faith in Jesus as the same, but I can tell you it is not.
Yes, no matter what you think, you are a slave to something. Secularism is a cultivated culture. It's deeper than any liberal mind could contemplate.
@@JD-gw3fp I'm assuming you're saying I'm one of those people with a "liberal" mind? Was I liberal all throughout the over 30 years I was a Christian, or did it change at some point? Because honestly, I can't really tell you. I was always curious, always wanted to learn, read the Bible constantly, studied it, but at the same time, I was indoctrinated into the beliefs of those around me and was a very closed-minded person in a lot of ways. I think there was a lot of conflict between what I believed was right and what I was being told was right. Sadly, I am still a slave to the wrong things I was taught, since they were taught to me so young. I wish I could finally break 100% free of it.
Anyway the Jesus belief with the blood magic is also mythical, and illogical to boot. Christians talk about taking responsibility for your actions, justice, etc., but by believing in this blood sacrifice, they are not actually taking any responsibility for themselves, and I think this is a terrible way to live. Other religions generally encourage people to take responsibility for their own actions. I don't know what other religions you're talking about that "just tell you to be good."
@@kendalbrenneman I understand your perspective. Our past tends to lead us to those feelings we experienced. I get it. I do. If you think God is taking responsibility for you, and those who believe, you would be correct. We spiritually are free from the bondage of pain we have caused or has happened to us. In flesh, possibly not.
Responsibility is journey to find for many, including myself. So I won't try to project my personal experience with God to try and corral you back in 'the church'. But if God is who you read about, are you shocked that He wouldn't reach out through His believers?
To answer your claim about other religions and what good deeds they do, I agree. They can do many great things,
it can be fulfilling to offer goodness to those who need it. But one thing religions do not offer me is a relationship with The Creator. I do not have a religion with my mother, brother, sister, but a relationship. Why would I not have one with The Father?
If you read The Bible. Great! The whole thing, even BETTER! I Pray you open it when you truly need it. It is alive and well when your spirit is asking.
You are such a great philosopher 🥰. Seriously u got talent, this is the best deconstructed Christianity I’ve ever heard.
You just don't get it, do you? God is the creator He gets to make the rules, you don't! You don't like it too bad, but please stop taking others to hell with you! You have biblical knowledge, but it has never gone to your heart. People who always criticize the Bible never want to accept God as Lord of their life, they want to be their own God, and that brings us back to creation. When you can explain how you created the world, you might be worth listening to.
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Yeah the invisible sky wizard sent himself to Earth got deleted spent three days in a tomb but then got to go back to his Golden Palace, hardly a sacrifice.
Hi. I give you a lot of credit for putting yourself out there and making these video. I couldn’t handle the Christian nuts that leave their passive/aggressive comments.
i've gotten used to them lol. It took a while to get to a point where they no longer affected me.
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j wow great evidence.
“A thought terminating cliche.” This is the best way I have ever heard it described.
She created her own
" monster _god".
Beautifully argued, Kristi. Thank you so much.
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The fact that you feel "guilty" and oppressed, that show the fallen nature of human being. If you truly received JC as your savior, there is no guilt and oppressive feeling but the peace and freedom. The salvation is a free gift, you don't have to accept it. Every other "religion" requires you to do something to earn your salvation.
From someone who self detonated, let alone deconstructed many years ago struggling with researching the Gospel when training to be a minister. You put this forward with such clarity and if I ever find God does exist he has a lot of questions to answer, which ministers in my family accept in faith but which I find senseless. Keep up the good work.
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You are good at helping people deconvert (if that’s what they want ). We need more of you 👍🏻
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Love pertains to God first and Kristi is tearing people away from eternal life which is Jesus Christ . In so doing she is in love with Death and so are you. Speaking of the Holy Spirit. Proverbs 8:36 Living Bible. (But the one who misses me has injured himself irreparably. Those who refuse me show that they love death.”)
@@misha-elministries5246 you don’t and can’t realize how closed off you are . You’ve been indoctrinated . Not saying that there isn’t a force of some sort beyond our comprehension. I’m agnostic in that regard but atheist to man made “gods”. No one can know for certain. It’s impossible . But it sure isn’t yaweh nor any other man made « god »
@@misha-elministries5246 "If you do not worship the Basilisk by bringing about its existence, then you will be punished eternally by the Basilisk when it is created in the future." - The Book of the Basilisk 1:49
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j who or what is god according to you ? And why do different /religion within their culture have different experiences ? And not everyone has them . Far from it 🤷🏼♂️ probably nothing more than endogenous dmt and naturally produced
So.... if someone wrongs me, and I forgive them without shedding their blood, without shaming them or guilt tripping them, why can't God do the same?
Thank you. This conversation makes sense
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The honest truth is NOBODY who has lived a finite life, can be deserving of an infinite amount of punishment...
Eventually the scales are unbalanced...
Even a universe destroying figure like Thanos would be being tortured/punished more than they deserved...
NOBODY deserves eternal reward eaither for finant life so i guess makes it "fair" even thugh how fucked up it can be.
and by what authority do you state this ? or this just your view from a finite limited wish thinking mind ?
@@RocketKirchner basic maths (with the inclusion of understanding infinity as a concept within maths)
@GemmaHentsch Hey friend. I totally empathize with what you’re saying. I thought the same thing, until I realized…if you sin (which we all know we’ve done bad things lol), who are you ultimately sinning against? You’re sinning against an INFINITE God who gave you life.
So a finite being can do infinite harm violating basic concepts of logic and mathematics...
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I don't sin. Your god doesn't exist, and if I believed he existed, then I'd be fighting him, because I do not bow down to evil.
One of the many things l learned about Narcissist is they will shame you for being you, the things you like, the natural things about you. God says pluck out your eyes if you lust.......WTF, every 16-30 yr old male should be blind. Become successful and your an idolater etc.....
It's Jesus who says, "if your eye would sin (lead you to error), better to pluck it out than the whole body be damned." Which is to say, we have to correct errors or our errors will cause us to suffer. It's not complicated. It's part of his (and the Bible more broadly) repeated theme of learning judgement and acting wisely.
Jesus encouraged people to enmasculate themselves. And I'm not talking about this passage.
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Thank you so so much. These are all the things I’ve felt for years and not have had the words to express. My boyfriend who I love dearly brings me to church sometimes and it’s so painful because the guilt and shaming is just overwhelming even when the so called “good” news is being told.
I know that I am the best person I can be- I try really really hard. And I want that to matter.
But according to the “good news” none of it means anything because I don’t believe in a singular god.
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j you do realize the brain floods with neurotransmitters when you die. Which can cause dreams and hallucinations. It’s just how that works. Theres also way more stories of people not seeing anything or having random dreams that have nothing to do with god or hell. The religious ones are just better for tv. (I’m a neuroscientist. I study the brain and how it works).
Love how you say that god works in mysterious ways is a thought terminating cliche--stopping someone in their tracks when they're on a logical track. That is so true. It's so often a way for christians to stop thinking--they see the issues but won't try to explore it further (many times) ending it with the mysterious ways line. It's kind of like someone sticking their fingers in their ears so they don't have to hear something or sticking one's head in the sand. In reality it's kind of juvenile as someone who has "matured" can explore areas in their life that are concerning, whereas the less brave will just stay in the comfort of the things they were taught growing up and stick their head in the sand when needed.
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j What testimonies? We know of no one who has gone to heaven or hell. If someone has had a near death experience and claimed they saw some things, that doesn't mean what happened in that near death state was nothing more than their brain generating an experience after an intense situation. When near death experiences have been tested--people thinking they've floated above their body in a hospital room, they never see the note placed on the top of a cabinet in those hospitals. They see a "light" which is not surprising as many of these people are under intense light in an operating room.
@@billmauer8117 what note on top of what cabinet?
People return with knowledge of other people's lives that they had never even seen
One example is Joseph Smith who a guy saw and later found out about who he was
@@user-ud6dx8ti2j They have "reports" of having this knowledge. There is a difference between someone reporting something from their experience and peer reviewed studies determining if something is occurring or not. They have done studies in hospitals where they've placed notes on top of cabinets in operating rooms. People that were nearly dead and then reported floating above their bodies were questioned to ask them if they saw the note. They never see the note. There are people who report they've been abducted by aliens--do we just believe them because they report this? You have to have sufficient evidence to accept a claim and the alien abductions and near death experiences are both lacking.
I think the saddest thing is that there are people who understand the nonsense but perpetuate it regardless because there will always be someone who buys it. Religion is a double edged sword. It can give you hope and a sense of belonging but these things are all very conditional on unquestioning faith. Humanity asks questions by nature and to restrict that brings spiritual death. If the tree of life and tree of knowledge of good and evil were real, humanity should have learned their lesson already. It's better to live and question than abide by restrictive black and white ideologies.
read the book Jesus against Christianity - and you will see that the way out of Christianity is not unbelief but actually following Jesus . but that may be asking too much . because if you follow Christ you better look good on wood .
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Love these videos. Honest, intelligent and sincere. Keep it going, and I love the references to your own experiences...genuine.
I appreciate that!
@@jezebelvibes Britni De La Mora .
Wow I've so needed to hear this
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@@user-ud6dx8ti2j yes I have no doubt that jesus is real i just believe the understanding I've been given is more religious than relationship based.... but I guess the church is not perfect because we are in it...
When I was a kid the message of the gospel really tormented me. In my young mind I reasoned that if God who is good and just could torment me so severely for even one bad action how much more severe would my parents who are evil according to the bible torment me for one bad action. The Gospel made me fear my parents and not like them. Thankfully I grew up and learned that the gospel is fiction. I love my parents and realized when I got a bit older that they wouldn't ever torment me if I did something bad. The Gospel is out of my life.
thank you for that insight, i am a senior and thru the years that never crossed my mind.
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. By ones self is one made pure, and by ones self is one made impure. No one can purify another. We ourselves must walk the path." the Buddha
The path is very difficult to stay on because of sin which can easily throw us off . Jesus came to redeem us from the bondage of sin and gives us the power to stay and remain on the path .He is the "Alchemist par excellence ". As it says in the Book of Malachi "He shall purify the sons of Levi and they will offer unto Me and offering in righteousness ".
I tell you fear not him who can kill the body . But Fear him who after killing can take both body and soul and cast into hell. Matthew 10:28
That quote that you shared with us is totally wrong, for God can give people a new heart and a right spirit. He can restore our soul. He is the Doctor of doctors and knows how to heal His creation.
No it's THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. ALL HAIL HIM ALL SKY FAIRES
are made up by the controllers
Jesus saves! Hallelujah!
I've had enough of these Iron Age fantasies. Thanks so much for such a disciplined and thorough analysis of this insidious mythos. "Living in a fallen world" is one of the biggest cons in "His" story.
A fantasy would imply something GOOD or HONORABLE or ENJOYABLE.
Religions are based on MYTHS containing HORROR stories.
And those “iron aged myths are very RUSTY. 😳☮️❤️
Just Google " the world worst mass murderers, human trafficking , pedofilia, Hunger,
drug addiction, poverty and more
All because human greed.
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My reaction is always a combination of
1. "I can't remember asking Jesus dying for my wrongdoings and I don't appreciate it."
2. "Would you send your son to die a horrible death I'd call you a creep."
3. "I want to have the exclusive responsibility for everything I've done, including the bad things."
4. "Accepting the atonement doctrine would make my life worse, so thanks but no thanks."
That scares the fans of the Crucifixion well away.
It’s not that it scares anyone away, it’s that it’s clear you will never accept Christ no matter how long people try to share the Word with you. You actually want to go to Hell. I must say I applaud your intellectual consistency, most atheists don’t have any.
Partly wrong. I don't and won't go to Hell. But indeed I don't want to go to Heaven either - the prospect of spending eternity in the company of bigots like you is equally abhorring and terrible.
Fortunately Heaven and Hell are just manmade fictions like your god. But hey, I could err. Maybe there is an omnivolent god. The he/she/it undoubtedly will grant me my wish and let me return to nothingness after I die. If not that god is a PoS, a sort of divine combination of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot - not worthy of my worship.
In the meantime, enjoy kissing the feet of your god the Boogeyman.
And actually I did manage to scare you away - you didn't even trý to address my four points. You immediately started crying for your imaginary sky daddy - and became intellectual vacuous.
And I will say to stop crying like a baby and start facing reality and realize that we are not center of the Universe
My friend, He asked for nothing, He just died, for you. He didn't say :"Now you must live for me", no, He just died, that is perfect example of love; even now, He loves you and He asks for nothing. That is only kind of love that offers everything and asks for nothing.
Exactly. Christianity is not meant to be a transactional relationship to God. That is where the misunderstanding comes from
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Kristi... I think your videos are great... and I want to applaud the way you state things so clearly and directly.
I was raised in a non-religious family so I've always considered Christianity to be "one of many creation myths".
However, as I've become aware of how many people actually believe it to be true, the way I've self-identified has drifted from "agnostic" to "atheist".
(I won't claim to know for an absolute fact that no god of any sort can possibly exist but the God of the Bible makes no sense and has no evidence.)
That said... I've only seen a few of your videos so far but what you've said agrees entirely with my observations.
And, likewise, the "arguments" put forth by apologists seem to me to make very little sense.
On the subject of free will:
Even assuming that we have "free will", and "the right to choose", and so "have the ABILITY to choose evil"...
Assuming that we were designed with reasonably good judgment, and were shown all the evidence, WE WOULD NEVER CHOOSE EVIL.
(And being created with poor judgment, or placed in a world where the proper choice wasn't obvious, are both the fault of an imperfect creator.)
My favorite part of the fairy tale is the part where "God created angels as perfect beings, with no free will, and no human flaws".
And his best and smartest angel was Lucifer... who promptly got bored, and staged a revolt, taking half of the angels with him...
So....
Did God screw up big time when he created Lucifer?
Or was Lucifer RIGHT and God wasn't worth following?
I especially like Epicurus' quote on the problem of evil:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
Spot on Keith.
"On the subject of free will:
Even assuming that we have "free will", and "the right to choose", and so "have the ABILITY to choose evil"...
Assuming that we were designed with reasonably good judgment, and were shown all the evidence, WE WOULD NEVER CHOOSE EVIL.
(And being created with poor judgment, or placed in a world where the proper choice wasn't obvious, are both the fault of an imperfect creator.)"
On that topic, whenever anyone brings up evil, Christians always say "God gave us free will!" as if that justified it. Free will is simply the capacity to make choices, it has nothing to do with evil. My choices every day aren't to give a homeless man money or to kill them, cut out their intestines, and bathe in their blood. The fact that I'm even able to think of the latter as part of an example is, if God existed, the evil that He deliberately put in humanity was what caused such a thought. He could easily have made humanity lack evil and still have free will.
That's before we even get into the evil that has nothing to do with any human action. How many people die from hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, and so forth every single day somewhere in the world? That's an evil God himself is causing.
"My favorite part of the fairy tale is the part where "God created angels as perfect beings, with no free will, and no human flaws".
And his best and smartest angel was Lucifer... who promptly got bored, and staged a revolt, taking half of the angels with him...
So....
Did God screw up big time when he created Lucifer?
Or was Lucifer RIGHT and God wasn't worth following?"
The hilarity of the contradictory nature of the very idea of Lucifer is incredible. By the own admission of religious people God is a perfect being and thus can't make mistakes... and yet He created a being which rebelled against Him and set up shop in Hell to torture people for all eternity.
Even if he did somehow make a mistake, He as God could wipe Lucifer and all the fallen angels out of existence, removed Hell, and sent all the damned to Heaven whether they sinned or not with a thought and could still do so at any time, and yet He apparently didn't. It's almost as if God is an evil sadistic bastard that wanted all this to happen so He'd have an excuse to torment humanity.
Exactly. I feel like the terminology people often use such as “the price of sin” or “our debt” is used to victim blame humans for a problem God supposedly created. They make it seem like this is a limitation God has to abide by rather than standard he created in the first place. I think it stems from the dichotomy of God being perceived as a person or the embodiment of the universe/nature. If you leave your phone outside on a night that calls for rain, you can’t blame nature for that, because nature isn’t a living thinking being that can make decisions. It’s your fault because it’s your duty to make a decision based on your knowledge of nature. If you view God like you do nature, you can’t blame him for condemning people to Hell, you have to blame people for making choices that led to God sending them to Hell. They then selectively view God as a person when trying to make you feel bad for Jesus, ignoring the fact that he is saving people from a problem he created.
God did not make a mistake when he formed you
@@Scott23882 God didn't form you or I- a sperm met with an egg and we grew from there, based of the fusion of the genetic codes carried by the sperm/egg. It is that process that formed our bodies and our brains with which to experience this universe.
@@leob3447 no not directly
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God did form you. The process was begun by God. Did you know that three evolution scientists studied the Y chromosome to see when the chromosome changed. They determined that there was no change, no evolution of thd Y chromosome. Men did not have an evolutionary.change and all are descendants of Adam.
See:
8 Bible Verses Supported by science.
Here’s another question that hit me when I left: why do I need the excuse of Jesus or God to just be a good person kind and compassionate? It actually has more power if you don’t have the excuse of God behind it. Having the excuse of God makes it, less compassionate because now you’re just following somebody else
It is the most terrifying thing that they don't understand this. Their morality begins and ends with obedience and authoritarianism. They think it is the weak and helpless that owe the powers that be. They don't believe in responsibility with power.
"Thought-terminating cliches", what a wonderful phrase! May I use it?
There is literally a Wikipedia article on thought terminating cliches. I don't think anyone needs permission 😅
Really enjoying your videos, I’m not and never have been a believer but your calm logic is really refreshing and engaging. Keep up the good work, I subscribed.
I appreciate that! Thanks for being here ❤️
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The one thing that destroys the foundation of the gospels is their authenticity! No one knows who, when, where, and why these books were written!
Correct. All four were written anonymously at least a generation after the supposed cricifixion, which was not documented by any extrabiblical source at the time, even though there were plenty of historians around who had plenty of motivation to do so. Such as Philo Judaeus, for example. As for the why, that is a long story, but the best hypothesis I've heard so far has to be Dr. David Skrbina's. Certainly worth looking into.
You are so wrong! You simply parrot others instead of seeking the truth. Is that all your eternal soul is worth?
Some first century verses were found from Matthew. They were written in Greek by the way. It was within 35 years after the resurrection. Also, 1 John 5:7 was found a long time ago and was displayed in a Brittish museum.
Adullum Films Tares Among the Wheat Sequal video.
There is a particular religion that does not want that known nor the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible to be read.
It is for you to seek the truth.
@@judyswiderski2682 which Matthew? What is his last name? Why doesn't he refer to himself in a second person, rather than saying "and Jesus meet Matthew" in the third person? 1 John 5:7 is an appochrapha! Why were these books written in Greek? Neither Jesus not any of his disciples recorded to have spoken Greek, so what did they really say in their own Aramaic language? Let alone you reading it in English, so that is two languages away from the supposed original writings that no one have seen! None of these records are eye witnesses! Why should anyone base their salvation on them blindly? Please study before you repeat what your church guys tell you like a parrot!
@Aous AAK,
Why don't they know. John said twice that he wrote the Gospel of John. He said he wrote 1 John also. Paul claimed his epistles. So did Peter. Luke said.he wrote his to Theophilus. He said, we, in the book of Acts many times. Which he also wrote to Theophilus.
But mostly God said He preserved his word. Psalm12:6,7. A simple thing for Him to do.
Those who fight the Authorized Version, later called the King James Bible, are those who fight against that bible to defend the uninspired conflicting Alexandrian manuscripts, which quote Jesus in a lie.
Are you sure.you want to believe them?
@@judyswiderski2682 John who? Which John? Matthew who? Which Matthew? Paul who? What is his last name? What credibility did he have? He never met Jesus in person! You gonna say he saw him in the dream, alright, how did he know how Jesus look like so that he knew whoever he saw was truly Jesus, since he never met him? Just because someone claims something doesn't make him credible! Please read the introduction of J.B. Phillips Bible translation were he states that we don't know who wrote these gospels, we only give them these names so it is easy to call them by a name rather than saying, the first gospel, the second gospel, etc! Mark never wrote the gospel of Mark, because he was a little boy when Jesus left earth .. The author of Luke says that he saw gospels circulating, so he decided to write his own account (so not inspired by God)! ... None of those people spoke any Greek ... Gospel of Mark was written in Rome, which is a city that neither Jesus, nor any of his disciples visited or lived in!
In regards to Paul, all of his teachings are absolutely against what Jesus taught ... He in fact says that tricked and deceived people to believe in him ... Read the book of Romans ... He often says "according to my gospel", do makes things up! In fact, historian debate about six of the 13 writings of his that are not written by the same person who wrote the other seven!
The bible has zero authenticity ... Even the word bible is NOT in the bible! We made it up! Please read the history of the gospels before believing what is in it blindly!
Everything you said was so true! Thank you for this video. 🙂
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Yes. On one side he says that he doesn’t want to change any one’s religion but to change their minds and hearts.
And on the other hand, if some person wants to follow his religion then, he gets jealous.
Thank you so much for finally explaining what I have felt since I was a child! ❤. This is beautiful! Thank you!
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So glad I found your channel. Absolutely agree! God (all knowing, powerful, and loving) created the whole drama of sin, seperation from God, the blood sacrifice, and the requirement of belief! It makes no sense, unless you think toxic relationships are devine😢
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Thanks, Kristi. You are encouraging people to use sound reasoning as a tool for arriving at truth. Sadly, many religions discourage this. Keep up the excellent work!
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By the way... you mentioned the part about the fair system.
I ask you.... Is OUR system fair? What is fair? Can you be divinely assigned or even tasked with the definition of "Fair"? Can anyone? Can we actually have a fair system? Years and centuries ago what is fair now would never have been fair before and what is fair now would be seen as illegal or unjust 50 to 100 years from now. My friend, it's because of this that politicians... every single one of them.... especially our presidential candidates now have flipped flopped from ideals and/or parties for decades.
But.... God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow.