Kia Niro EV range test
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Thanks Bjorn. Took possession of my new Niro EV last week, upgrading from previous generation eNiro. A massive improvement on everything. Kia have polished up all the niggles. The only thing that annoys me is that I can't quickly access the climate screen to turn the heat off. I can't find a way to simply turn the heat off on the main climate button panel. Apart from that it's a fabulous car. I test drove the EV6 and didn't like it. A bit big and clumbsy with hard suspension for Irish roads. The Niro is a perfect sized car.
Got my Niro EV last week as well so far think it's fantastic. Soaks up the Kildare potholes pretty well
@@eoinyoneill try pushing the lt hand knob in, the temp display then goes off
Great video as always. Keep it up Bjørn!
To see GPS speed in all cars, in "Settings/ Vehicle options" you can activate "show GPS speed".
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Great but about the charging speed versus Ariya, the LR Nissan has 7% more range with a 21 % bigger battery. Even if Ariya's is charging faster, the amount of km gained per minute charging may be almost the same.
ariya has better equipment, appearance and silence, amenities than niro..
E-Niro in Canada as well, when it debuted.
Great test, as always. Sad that the battery tech/charging is outdated.
I do not think, that it competes with Ariya. Ariya is a lot bigger (18cm longer), and competes with EV6/Ioniq 5.
in Italy the new version in top preparation has many options available only with an additional package at the price of 2700 euros that were included in the previous generation, in the end it costs more than a Model Y RWD
KIA E NIRO is a very capable car and does everything for its price, but the charging speed is soooo slow. Having said that, many people don't charge on public charges so it doesn't really matter to be honest. However, after selling my eNiro I didn't go for the new Niro EV, I went for Skoda Enyaq for a change 🤔
Just bought my second eniro after having 2019 model and then leaf. So the eniro 2021 is atleast faster then my rapidgating leaf 😅. For me. Its fast enaugh with Kids in the back that needs food etc
@@christoffero89 Yep my etron 50 charges quick 120kW but side by side the niro ev adds more miles in 30 minutes. I also have kids and the car will be ready to go before we are!
@@christoffero89 yes, exactly if you are going to charge once or twice a day only it is not a problem at all. Just I did a very long trip this summer where I had to charge 4 to 5 times a day and it lasted 3 days in each direction so it become dragging at some point. But for day to day use, you could not ask for more
@@chrischild3667 yes exactly. It takes time to go to toilet eat etc. Wot the range of niro the break is welcomming 😆. On my rapidgate leaf one the worst one 22 kwh. That was a problem
@@evaddicted3224 yes. If you drive that long its way to slow. For me i drive with only home charge every 3th day and 3 times a year i need 1 and 1/5 charge to get to destination.
I also found out that zero regeneration is not really zero, it still does a bit of regeneration!
I was used to coasting a lot in my Hyundai Ioniq and I was surpriced that the Niro EV was a lot worse at coasting until I set it in Neutral (where the 0,29 cw Niro was still not as good as the 0,21 cw Ioniq)
Tack!👍🌹
Please test mg 4 when it comes to Norway in October 🙏
That's what I thought. Its interior looks like the EV6, but the charging is outdated. I was considering switching to the Niro EV, but this simply confirms what I thought already.
Thanks for the video. I wonder which phone holder you use. I couldn’t find a proper phone holder that fits the car’s air vents.
Finally someone giving a review of the audiosystem! It sounds decent.
Perfect video as always. Waitimg mg4 review.....thanks
I’m very curious how the Renault Megane e-tech will do!
'The only problem today is we have no traffic'
Said noone ever :)
Beautiful day for a drive
Please try the new 2022 Kona. It is very efficient, I think a little bit more than the new niro ev.
This year I bought a used 2020 Kona 64kwh. I try the cupra born but the range was lower
Good job. Thank you…
Great detailed video Roof rails a distinct advantage over EV6 for those with kayaks surf boards etc fitting roof bars on door frames not so good on vw id3 ,kia ev6 hyundai ioniq etc. For a commuter car with 95% of charging on AC 7.5kW overnight on the home charger, the DC charging speed isnt much of an issue,but is outdated these days
Hi Bjørn
How much regeneration do you have at your test. I have the old E-niro and I know i got much better consumtion with full regen....
Is it 2 degress downwards it is easy to see how much less battery you need to use. Yesterday i reset the trip meter 5 km from home... It is almost flat and I got home theese km with consumtion of under 5 kwh/100km .
When you drive upwards it is the same as whitout regeneration.
Nice video as usual.
What an epic car with the option for adjustable regen and ventilated seats for the win. I'm thinking about switching from the inadequate TMY to this one.
I wish my silly Tesla could have lane assist active all the time instead of the autopilot, which is just annoying in the city where I do most of my driving.
My impression is there's a difference in philosophy. With these cars, they are assistants. It's you who is driving and they are just making it more convenient for you as best as they can.
With Tesla, the intention is that it's the car that's driving and you're just watching over it. So there's the process of handing it over from the driver to the car and back.
And it really comes down mostly to the driver, what fits their needs and habits better. Some people even prefer not to have the lane assistant active and prefer to drive fully by hand.
@@michalvaner3167 You are of course correct. They are different cars and we are all different people with different needs and preferences.
Tesla autopilot is very good if you drive on perfect road with smooth asphalt on highways where you just drive along with the rest of the traffic.
But where I live and drive for the most parts, there are bumps, potholes, missing marking and all sorts of imperfect conditions for autopilot. That's why the Koreans lane assist is so good, you can steer a little to avoid driving in the potholes and the car will gently try to center the car again without disengaging the lane assist. When I try that with autopilot it struggles me to force the car back to the center and suddenly disengages in a violent matter when it doesn't get it's will.
Also the autopilot is frenetic when trying to keep distance to the car in front, accelerating and braking every second making it feel like the kangaroo driving of an ex-car, and the adaptive cruisecontrol in the Koreans are better. Although autopilot sees everything which is epic for safety.
If Tesla implemented the option to adjust and custom the sensitivity of autopilot, regen and autowipers, to fit my needs instead of me having to adjust to the Tesla, that would be awesome.
So to conclude; if TMY had ventilated and not so short seats, option to adjust regen, option to adjust autowipers, turn off all sounds even autopilot bingbong, option to switch out the ufo revers sound and a bit softer dampers, the Tesla Y would almost be the perfect car.
@@pigedehekkan Heh, I see I'm not the only one that would love to take 2 or 3 different cars and cross-breed them to get exactly the perfect thing for self 😀.
I'm driving Kona, and I feel like it is a good fit for how I drive. Unfortunately, it's the lower trim, so no radar for adaptive cruise control, only the basic one ‒ but even that is quite OK, with switching between cruise control and speed limiter + high regen. Yet, there are things I'd want a bit different ‒ maybe a slightly bigger trunk, a bit faster charging, better aerodynamics, a frunk would be nice (that one is possible as DIY, but I didn't dare yet, not sure about warranties then).
So yes, taking the hardware of Tesla 3 or Y, but giving it the controls, assistants and instrument cluster of the Kona would make a really nice car. And yes, I'm keeping an eye on Ionic 6, it might actually be that car, once it is available.
Thank you
Are you planning to test the new model of the ioniq 5 with 77kwh and battery preheating by any chance?
Really disappointed with the pricing of this in Oz with the top spec very close to the bottom spec EV6.
Agree it feels like a new shell/looks but still same old one underneath (which wasn’t bad 4 years ago, but feeling outdated)
they saved on cost to release two new cars, kdm offers niro plus based on old model taxi trim
There also is a “snow mode”.
I wish you could try it with a newer version of it.
Rumors say the latest deliverys of the niro-ev can't handle cold weather like below -10 to -15 without the energy consumption skyrocket to about 35 kw/100km
Erlier version did better at around 24kw/100km.
Hey Björn, would be nice if you test mg4. Only 31k and looks realy nice for me actually.
he can hopefully try the LFP (small battery) version.
@@alfrredd Or the next version (standard long range), but not Luxury/Trophy, because everyone is testing the latter.
@@emil10139 Yes, but the differences are bigger between the LFP and NCM than within the 2 NCM trim levels. I still haven't seen an LFP test, 95% of reviewers test the highest trim.
That's amazing, thanks!
Just a minor point- 2.5v is really "under load cell cut-off", unless the pack is the performance one the bms is normally programmed to cut cells earlier. This is needed to protect weaker cells in the series. Still, 3.2v (static) has enough of juice to crawl to the charger.
>4.2v on top rare for traction cells, would be interesting to see the long term retention
Having the pack voltage and cell voltage to 4.26 volts at 96.5%, I really think they had put a LiHV chemistry instead of li-ion or lipo.
If that’s the case, your comment about low voltage is even more relevant because that chemistry don’t go below 3.0 volts.
I just did 200kms in my Tesla Y Performance in performance mode from Quebec City and Saguenay city at 109kms with average temperature at 9 Celsius and averaged 151W per km. Reg gaz is 1.69$ per liter and diesel is 2.09$ ! Electric is the way to go. Save energy and environment. The Chinese and Koreans will beat the Japanese to the race for second place.
Waiting for Hyundai Ioniq 6 & MG 4 Test 😉
Is the version with heat pump?
Everyone's always gushing about the Niro. I'm a Soul Fanboy, and would like to see a comparison. Unfortunately, the 2nd Gen didn't make it to the States, but my suspicion is that it beats Niro hands-down.
"...like having fun without protection..."
probably Niro EV targets budget focus urban dwellers or taxi companies. In Korea we have Niro Plus EV based off previous gen for taxi or commercial use, but some taxi drivers bought new Niro
Exactly, and the EV4 is coming next year, if charging speed is important for you.
Bonsoir merci pour votre vidéo cordialement
SOTP, this is cracking me up in every video.
Test Renault Meganne e-tech !
I think the Niro is mostly meant for urban day-to-day stuff, hence Kia did not feel the need for a lot of soundproofing - saves weight tho.
the car needs the range you can always add aftermarket soundproof
Not so. Have owned an e-Niro since March 2019 living in rural south west France, it’s our only car and we’ve done long road trips to UK, Germany and Suisse...we find it relaxing and quiet on long journeys, wind noise is minimal and road noise quieter than any ICE I’ve ever owned...noticeably better since switching to the hankook tyres last December. 70,000 km of trouble free, enjoyable driving.
Someone else on youtube tested the advance model and said it was so quiet and noticed it had double glass at least on the side windows.
How many regeneration modes does it have, same as the EV6? Can it do one pedal driving? Does it have a heat pump as well?
The levels are 0-3 and i-Pedal (so off and 4 levels). It can do one pedal drive, including coming to a full stop. It is activated by selecting the highest level of regenerative braking, called i-Pedal. So it's 0 = 0ff, 1-3 and i-Pedal = one pedal drive. Heat pump depends on the country. Here in the Netherlands it's not available, but our neighbour country Germany does get it.
Finally! 😀👌👍👍👍
I wonder how the Ariya numbers would stack up with 19" wheels
I’d like to see how an AWD + 19” wheels Ariya performs
According to nissan website, with 19" the consumption is +- 20% less.
@MÂAD According to the dealer the difference is more like 10-15% depending on dry or wet roads.
@@fredrikh8070 even 10% sounds good to me.
Seems like a decent car. The tech is nice, but it seems like it is a bit overpriced compared to the competition, or even other EVs within the Kia/Hyundai catalog.
The sound also bothered me about the Kia. Still decided to buy it because 95% of the time I listen to music anyway and the sound is barely noticeable that way
Very detailed review. Did this car have the heat pump? If not, what would that add to the (winter?) range?
What the heck ?? 4.26V min cell voltage ? This is very high !! is it where the kia buffer finaly is ? In comparison, my 2019 e-Niro (with 114000km) shows cell voltage around 4.13V at 99.5% SoC Display.
Also at low SoC, the behaviour is different. At 2.5% Soc Display the SoC BMS is also 2.5% on my 2019 E-Niro, when the new one has 1% Displayed when The BMS is 6%.
And with 2.5% SoC Display the Min cell voltage is 3.14V (and the highest is 3.28V) with a battery voltage of 316.2V
new niro ev uses different battery
@@troosimimimmi still same kind of chemistry, 4.26V seems pretty high to me
Interesting to see 404km at 99%. The car is being marketed at 407km in Canada.
Depends on driving styles. And usually WLTP tests don’t match real world range as you may know.
Too bad with the comfort and sound proofing. Would have been an interesting car but I just cannot deal with noisy cars.
I can deal with noisy cars just not ones with uncomfortable seats and suspension.
@@elihernandez330 check Ariya..
Same, i think soundproofing is my top1 in my top 5 most important with a car.
Noticed that while charging there was a 5 degree delta between temperatures of the hottest and the coldest cells. There was a delta when you started. Why do you think there is that delta?
Bad battery pack design.
At 12:42 you say you measured 279,9 km distance. The car reports 282,2 km. You claim thats 1% underreported. 0,3 km difference would be 0,1% though. Not a very big deal, just wanted to mention. Maybe you did it correct on your calculations also.
Edit: I mistyped. The numbers I meant are 228,2 km from car and 227,9 km from Bjørn respectively.
No, you misunderstood. The correct distance is 230 km (just check on Google yourself). But that is measured at the bridge where the distance was 279.9 km. I drove past the bridge and over to Circle K where it went 300 m further. I hope this clarify things.
So many wrong numbers...
The car reports 227.9 instead of the true 230 km. That is 2.1 km difference and not 0.3. So 1% error is about right
@@leod9463 uff, sorry, I mistyped in my comment. I meant 228,2 km from car respectively 227,9 from Bjørn.
@@bjornnyland That clarified it, thanks!
Kind of unfair to the e-niro no Bjorn? Kia clearly sells this as a lower cost alternative to the new and cutting edge EV6 with its 800V architecture and longer driving range + AWD. No surprise while the rest of the car is updated the EV tech has to use the last gen equipment to keep costs (and prices) low.
Not unfair at all. e-Niro costs the same as Ariya and MG Marvel R.
@@bjornnyland Perhaps, but the Niro EV is slightly smaller, more efficient, has better range, and a larger luggage compartment. Plus the Ariya may well have 0 kg roof load, which is a deal-breaker for many of us. I really can't see the Ariya as competition for the Niro - it's in the bracket of the Enyaq and the ID.4 in terms of its poor efficiency
The old model has more cabin spaces!
I wish they would have upgraded the DC charging to 125-150kwh.. Everything else is spot on with this.
*kW
Yeah, I had a preorder linedup with my dealer but when no change in DC-charging speed was confirmed I cancelled. It's a deal breaker to me, along with only 300kg unbreaked trailer wight.
@@bjornnyland Does kw/h not mean the power it is capable of delivering over the course on an hour. eg.a 64.8kw/h battery can theoretically deliver 64,8kw of energy over the course of one hour. It wouldn't actually do that because of losses and internal resistances.
But it may be capable of charging at 75kw/h. In other words, the charging system is capable of delivering up to 75 kw of energy into the battery in an hour. this would make the time from 0-100% somewhat less than an hour, if it could maintain that level of charge for the duration required to fully charge that battery.
So our 64.8kw/h battery could theoretically deliver the 64.4kw of energy it contains in an hour, but in practical use, it will be delivering 14-20kw per hour, depending on speed and heating requirements, etc, which will give us the 2.5-4 hours of driving per full charge.
The Ioniq 5 can charge at 170kw/h or 220kw/h, but the battery energy capacity is only either 58, 73 or 77kw of energy. Its the much greater charging capacity which gives it the short charging time. Obviously, you know all this.
Anyway, it's an irrelevance. whether consumers talk about kw or kw/h of the battery, they (the consumer) mean the same thing.
I still enjoy your tests, regardless😄
Lol, I just ordered this car... It drives great, but after seeing this video I'm wondering if I have made the right choice...
Definitely - it's a brilliant car. Shame Björn doesn't seem to like it and is overly negative
It makes me a little nervous when i see 404km/251mile range at 100% in summer. I thought the niro was better than that.
@kjellking5264 Did you get your Niro EV yet? I just received mine yesterday (in France), ordered on 15 October 22; 9 months 5 days!
@@yhfsywfit yep, got it in may this year! I really love the car! Truely does what they say it does! Peak charge is 84KW! Although only to 40% but still… could be worse right
Did you turn on charge assist (battery heater) Bjorn?
Of course.
@@bjornnyland then that’s a pretty crappy charge rate!
Is the car as noisy as it sounds on the video?
Yes
What the app called on your phone? Please share.
Car scanner
@@Sanjayadon Isn't it Scan my Tesla?
@@user-ni7ct5vr8u That's what Bjorn mentioned in the video. Also mentioned in the description.
Bjorn I love your videos but you should say "STOP" instead of "SOTP, their is a mistake on the picture you are using. SOTP does not mean anything in english
(Did I troll well? I'm kinda noob in trolling, trying to improve myself...)
The joke went straight above your head 🤣
@@bjornnyland that was so high.
Maybe this is a stupid question, but what about your own weight?
What about it?
The slow charging of the new Niro kinda kills my interest in it. It's fine if they don't want to give it the "premium" charging speeds of the EV6 and Ioniq 5, but 80 kW max in 2022 for a car with a decently-sized battery is just a dealbreaker. A shame too since everything else about the Niro is quite good.
you know that you have to pre.warm the battery to get 80-100kw charging speed?
Kona and Niro are just too noisy. There are better options available now in that department.
Nice car. But for the price, Model Y SR its a better choice. When can you do a Model Y SR range test?
Not available yet.
Kia De Niro
I really hope that auto steer can be disengaged…..
There's a button on the steering wheel for it.
@@bjornnyland That button only turns the lane keep off temporarily. As soon as it encounters a set of white lines it turns the lane keep and steering back on again. Annoying.
Woow a Korean/Asian car without soundproofing, what a chocker.
No wonder i hated every minute in this cars.
Bolt EV go home!!