We drive 10 electric cars until they DIE! | What Car?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2024
- In our 2022 range test, we find out which electric car has the longest range. Featuring the new BMW i4, Kia Niro EV and Volkswagen ID.5.
#whatcar #EVRangeTest #electriccars
Save thousands on your next new car with What Car? at www.whatcar.com/new-car-deals/
New videos are uploaded to What Car? each week. Don't miss a single one. Subscribe now: bit.ly/2Obgxjd
Visit our website at www.whatcar.com/
What Car? is the UK's biggest car-buying brand and has been helping Britain's car buyers make purchasing decisions for more than 40 years. Our tests are widely regarded as the most trusted source of new car advice.
This channel brings you trusted reviews on all the new models on the market, all the latest first drives, reader reviews, and great car-buying advice.
All reviews are available in full online at Whatcar.com - the UK's leading car-buying website, offering trusted reviews and data on every new car. The website also offers advice on car leasing, new car deals and new and used cars for sale.
Follow What Car? here:
LIKE What Car? on Facebook: goo.gl/yv5jF8
FOLLOW What Car? on Twitter: goo.gl/SJzmT8
Check out our full video catalog: bit.ly/2W81iu9 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I did 210 motorway miles and used 70% of the battery on my E Niro! KIA have nailed the efficiency of their EV’s
I’ve had my i4 for nearly six months now and have done just over 10,000 miles. It can easily reach over 300 miles on a motorway trip so this video is accurate (in case you needed a second opinion)!
What size of wheels?
@@Vasyok85 they are on 19 inch wheels. The only problem with the larger wheels is actually the turning circle which is really bad
Inside EVs in the US managed 340!
Try driving faster than 55mph and do it in a few months when it is colder you wont get 250 miles out of it real tests suggest 225 miles for 100% battery.
@@davidlewis4399 I’ll let you know. I don’t travel at 55mph so it will be interesting to see.
Interesting and thorough.
It would help to have all the figures in one chart at some point -for an easier visual comparison; otherwise all those numbers muddle up together.
@first name last name : Now that you have pointed it out, yes, that would have been really useful! The video, as it is now is great... leave the figures where they are, but at the end display a page of comparisons for a few seconds, so that those who want to can pause it while we get our heads around the numbers. 👍
I drove my MG5 standard range with 51kwh battery to the sea side in Wales from milands and back. Family of 5 managing impressive 225 miles with 5% remaining.
This car is half the price of most of the EV's from this test.
I prefer gasoline cars to trams, so the power is better and I don't have to keep an eye on whether it will leave me on the road
@@Anna-sy2yw fair enough. I don't do long journeys very often and I prefer EV as I don't like spending money on fuel when I can use free energy from my solar panels at home. Makes running any petrol or diesel way more expensive 😉🫰
Yeah, and the new MG4 makes even the 5 look pricey.
@@davidcolin6519 yes. I actually part ex my MG5 and bought the MG4 last month. Brilliant car 😁
Already made a review about it 😃
Hold on - the MG deserves a big shout out for the best value by a mile!
You do know mg's are made in China ! A CORRUPT COUNTRY
I had a MG ZS for 7 months, worst car I’ve ever owned and I’ve had a lot of vehicles. Seriously flawed car in many areas
@@brianmuir9059 Shame - the full electric or one of the derivatives?
@@brianmuir9059 the old ZS or the new zs ? Clearly I've been driving the wrong cars 🤣 because the test drive of the new zs was one of the best cars I've ever driven !
If you rank them in order of efficiency the BMW and e-Niro come joint third just behind the Teslas. Our Niro averages 4.1m/kwh driving on eco.
2 months old video? Surely took some sweet time w/ editing! Start filming now your deep winter test edition.
Nice test. Did you have a chance to monitor the charging efficiency as well during the preparation or after the test? Official values are using recharged energy from mains not from battery, there is a significant efficiency in the middle that is worth to know and consider in your shortfall.
In fairness, the 220 miles of the Cupra Born is still more than enough for most people! Non-EV drivers are convinced they need at least 300+ miles of range before taking the plunge and yet almost never drive anywhere near that far. Just look and see how far 200 miles is from your house, and consider driving all the way there without stopping, having a 10 minute break to fill up with petrol and cracking on for another 200 miles. You just wouldn't.
I agree with you, I also like the gasoline car, so do not worry too much
What you say is mostly true except the problem at the moment isn't so much the range but the charge time and having to make sure you can find a compatible charger, and when you do there isn't some moron that's left the cable plugged in when their car is fully charged. BTW they could have easily dealt with that problem by fining morons for every minute they hog the charger.
Having said that, in the summer I do about 280 mile round trips so a 300+ range for me is useful.
Of course if you can get all your driving done for free then it makes no sense to want to pay for petrol.
@@ninelaivz4334 Obviously finding chargers at the moment can be a bit painful but the infrastructure is improving all the time. Whenever I've planned my long journeys, I head for areas with lots of chargers so I have plenty of options.
A 280 mile round trip I assume means that you're stopped at 140 miles for a while - so probably an opportunity to charge at or near the destination.
And if it's only a few times a year then it shouldn't be a blocker for people going electric.
As other have said, more than the range per se is finding an available/working charger. I always have to save some juice to find a charger.
Totally agree with you!
Amazing how the i4 is the heaviest, has the widest tires and the most range. Efficiency? Put the smaller wheels on the i4 and it will surpass 4.1 mi/kWh also. At 70mph, the i4 can still achieve 300 miles in real world testing.
Please can you clarify: you drove the cars without preconditioning? Or did plugging them back in enable preconditioning for driving?
Excellent, useful video thanks. In New Zealand, as well as some other countries, the Kia EV6 has a standard--range model that only has a 58 kWh battery... it would not have fared very well in your tests!
(Probably why they don't seem to offer it in the UK.)
Crazy how the MG was the second closest to achieving it’s quoted range. Had my MG for a few months now and even though it’s the mk1 with the smaller battery I got 150 miles out of it with a little bit of battery left. Not far off the quoted 163!
It would be interesting to see how far they all go at a constant 70 mph
If you drive set your average speed on a trip and see if you can get over 60mph in the UK. Make sure you do it on a 200 mile plus journey to give yourself the best chance to beat this figure.
@@richardcorns8553 Yes that would be fairly easy with an early start driving from the East Midland down to Cornwall. Done it many times myself
This is a real(ish) world test though. The figure gained from an all 70mph test would only be relevant for a journey of say 5-600 miles, with 2 stops, where the middle stint would then all be on a motorway/highway. Not many doing those trips in the UK - but plenty of channels do 1000km tests in Europe, although Bjorn recommends to charge to about 80% and only take it down to about 30 to 40% to gain the minimum charge time advantage!
@@666JGNotts Ok.
i wish there was someone in the USA doing similar test like yours with what is available for us in here.
Requesting for part 2 for other EVs such as Toyota BZ4X and Hyundai Ionic 5.
Very interesting comparison. Shure you will find a lot of people drove one of the cars a lot longer. But here you can see, same conditions, same chances, wich car is the winner has the highest range.
You didn''t include the 2022 Kona?
Great to have this comparative range testing - thanks.
Excellent short and sweet ☺️
Thank you!
Great, can you include ID4 and MG4 in future test?
Or buy the MG being the cheapest for really good range . 7 year warranty
Recently got a Model 3. It efficiency is off the charts. I drive conservatively follow all speed limit but i get an efficiency of 4-6 Miles per kWH depending on terrain.
Amy chance for some kilometres on the screen for the many viewers from the mainland who isnt so strong in miles, mpg etc? Pretty please
I have a Kia EV6 RWD and I have managed 323miles from a charge
It was the height of summer however
In winter I would be closer to 300miles
How do you charge an electric car during the expected power cuts this winter?
You charge it at night when electricity from renewables is super abundant and super cheap. Any power cuts caused by patchy gas supplies will happen at peak usage times. Moreover, if you have an electric car with V2L (or poor man's V2L) you can run your house during any power cuts - try doing that with a combustion car.
how do you pump petrol/diesel during a power cut?
Or how do you produce the petrol using all that power needed to refine it. Charge electric car at night. All is well.
There are videos from Kiev surrounded by Russian troops. The country ran out of gasoline very fast. But charging an EV was always possible. Electricity is more reliable than gas supplies
How about the EQE and all of its variations such as the 350+, 350 4Matic, 500 4Matic, and the AMG 53 4Matic...?
We couldn't get hold of an EQE in time for this test (filmed in July), but we'll do our best to cover that (or similar) next time!
Why is the Mokka e never included in these tests. It's a great car and starts around £30k
Yep I was hoping the mokka e would be included in test too, apart from the mg zs ev, not everyone can afford to pay 35 to 60 grand for a car, that mokka e is a nice looking car especially in green , I'd happily have one when I go electric, I like the Kia ev6 but it's about 47 grand new , rather get the mokka e for 30 grand ,more car for the money an looks very cool an respect with about 200 mile range which is plenty 👌👍🏴
Love the colour of that BMW...
Just recived the date for pick up for my upcoming model 3 LG. Still the best EV regarding, range, price, performance and spec.
In basically every other test the ev6 have a better range than the id4, so its a matter of conditions and the driver.
Fact is that driving my X3 30d at „E-pace“ I get 500miles + and make the stops when I want (or need to) and I’m not told by the car how fast, how long I may (or may not) drive. I can drive in a Highway, use a national or even a B-road. It’s incredible how people need to believe their options…I experienced both of these worlds (still have my 2017 MX100D) and now that besides city driving I will not go for electric as long I have other options available….but that’s the point….I don’t tell you what to drive nor anyone tells me what to drive as well.
You should measure the temperature inside the cars while doing these tests. I bet the Teslas never actually got close to the 21C set on the AC. It saves energy by not actually cooling or warming the cabin properly. In -12C winter testing a Tesla 3 never reached more than +15C inside the cabin even with the AC at max.
That's a good idea and easily done. None of our test 10 drivers reported temperatures to be wildly different from 21C, but of course impossible to be sure without a measuring. Thanks
Good point. Ive the ev6 and if in economy mode the ac is not that cool as compared to normal mode which is icey. I also get 3.6 to 6.1 miles/kw in ev6. In winter time its down to 2.7miles per/kw
@@whatcar maybe next time do not drive each car in a train so close to each other. The car up front will take all the wind while the rest behind it will have a less drag. The Kia EV6 was up front in almost all footage here, that might have affected the range compared to the rest
The i4 is impressive. I expected it to fall around the XC40 considering both are not 100% ev platforms
Efficiency has nothing to do with the Platform, but the drivetrain...Ioniq, Kona, Niro are ICE Platform cars and very efficient...better than Ioniq 5 as destinct EV Platform.
The difference is size of car inside...destinct Platforms are shorter with same Size internal...thats it
and this is with 19 inch wheels. with 18 inch ones it matches model Y at the very least
Expected more from the EV6. bigger battery and RWD vs the model Y which is AWD and has much more people/cargo capacity. Hopefully the EV6 was in normal or sport mode at least, if eco mode that is a bit disappointing. i4 is what it is. Huge battery on a RWD platform. I have an sr+ so I like the idea of that format a lot. Nice car, but when I looked at it I barely fit at 6'2. It might have the least passenger space in this entire test?
It also depends if the ev6 had a heatpump. Most other range tests had very different real world results.
keep in mind, from the footage it seems like the EV6 was up front most of the time and they were driving in a train. So cars behind will have aero advantage... not very scientific if you ask me.
@@CyAn-Syou might want to watch the video again and actually listen ! They stated each car took a turn on the front for each lap , just because they filmed the Ev6 on the front doesn't mean it was on the front for the entirety of this test .
Which had heatpumps?
My Enyaq achieves 30-50 over the WLPT range. It depends on how you drive them.
The same is true of everything. I've achieved 84mpg in a BMW 118d, and also 41mpg in the car, the next day!
@Richard Glanville I think most people haven't been forced to think about efficiency before because petrol stations are everywhere and refilling times are short. Driving an EV puts everyone in the same boat more or less, almost irrespective of how much you spend on the car. Now you have to pay with your time, you can't just pay with your wallet.
since home electricity is cheap and charging on the long drives varies from free to v expensive depending on the charge network, why do small differences in efficiency per mile matter that much.
Hello - electricity isn't that cheap in the UK right now, so it's certainly more relevant than it used to be. We've had lots of emails about this so thought we'd cover efficiency as well as range.
You make a big thing of the Volvo being the ‘least efficient’ when the BMW iX3 gets the same economy figure?
Great result for MG!
you missed Kia EV6 and Hyundai Iconic 5 long range awd
Miles, comon, kilometers please
Looking again the Model Y absolutely dominated this test. Within a stones throw of the i4 range, but with a smaller battery, way more power, space, towing and AWD.
Why use any figure other than usable battery size?
I'm not sure to precisely what your question asks but that would be like comparing ICE car fuel tank sizes without considering that one is attached to a 1.0 Eco 3 pot engine and the other to a V12 no shits given about fuel economy engine.
Unless that want the question? :)
While I understand this is a real world test - however in the type of driving you were doing I believe most (myself included) would use the eco mode. My Ioniq 5 comparable to the (EV 6) disengages the front motor in eco mode and I think had that setting been used the EV6 would have done even better
My car is a bog standard 1.2 16v 78hp petrol 2009 corsa mk3, on £30(just over half tank) at £1.41pl at a gulf petrol station I did 232 miles doing 50/50 A roads and motorways. This equals 7.7 pence per mile driving sensible-ish and did near 8.5 hours driving give or take 10 minutes all this was just over 5 days straight.
Can any electric car to date do 232 on one bar above half full or travel near 8.5 hrs in one go on one bar above half full, my corsa can as stated above.
The government want us in electric cars but no electric car can beat my car for range ( 232mls just over half tank, around 8.5hr driving, just over 5 days straight and fuel light had not come on at this point but, was close to coming on
I disagree with your opening statement. My diesel exceeds its quoted mpg figures
Kia EV6 usable battery is not 77.4 that’s totaal capacity !!
Winners should have been judged in order of efficiency and shortfall of their official range. That's the only thing most people want to know how far it will travel per kW/mile whenever I get asked by the public (whilst I'm taking them on journeys in my taxi) in both my BEVs over 5 years. Cheers
What is speed? 150-180km/h? Looks like driving with backward speed.
where is skoda enyaq? they cars sold more then id4
They are almost the same
The BMW i4 can be had for less than £60k
And the Model 3 was introduced in 2017.
Hi Rui - it was 2019 in the UK.
Thanks for watching and commenting,❤️ you have been randomly selected from comments as winner for today’s giveaway hit me up via the digits above to claim prize🎁🎁
The economy is the same as ice,the faster you go the more fuel/battery you use.i wished they kept it at 56 mph which is the optimum speed as I'm sure 90% of ev owners do.
I don’t think a lot of us do
@@Dreador.are you the volvo that comes up my arse at 100mph lol
A few may do this if you want to eek out the most range per charge, sit in the lorry lane and hyper mile. Though most people aren't going to drive like that so for the general consumer this video is more accurate.
@@Ben.Royals with the cost of energy I would sit at 56-60,I'm not made of money and certainly not going to put more of my hard earned cash in the coffers of Westminster.
@@stum8374 yeah I can understand that, the mini electric I have on order is incredibly efficient in miles/kWh from what I’ve seen online so just not to wait for it to arrive
Why don’t you lot do a Real test say from Brighton to Newcastle or Edinburgh. The. You have to take account of driving conditions not just of weather but other drivers and any traffic issues etc .
We have something like this (London to Leeds and back) coming up in the next few weeks. The reason we do our twice yearly 10 car range test at Millbrook proving ground is to keep variables to a minimum - and because running cars out of charge on the public road isn't a particularly safe thing to do.
Driving a car in a slipstream of another makes a significant difference
Very true, but they changed the running order after each lap to take account of this.
@@fricatus they should just not drive in a train...... space the cars out a bit...
Mg4 will beat everything and everyone for the price.
MG4 will definitely feature in our next range test in Jan/Feb 2023! It just missed this one (filmed in July).
What? No Ora Cat? 😅😅
Basically, a demonstration of how silly WLTP tests are. Useful for comparison only, really, not for how far you can really go.
Conclusion: they need better tests.
Who drives that close to the car in front in normal driving?
Secret of BMW efficiency
Audi drivers.
why can't tests like these post the stats with km as well, i get that they're British but it's made for an international audience so why not include them
Why no Ariya?
because You still can not buy and receive it
@@norbertmachaj6127 false, it's literally in dealerships all over the UK
@@januariusa7847 Have you seen them on the streets?
@@norbertmachaj6127 yeah customers already have them and are taking deliveries
It just missed this one (filmed back in July). We'll include it in our next range test in Jan/Feb 2023, though!
Usles cars for continental or Northern climate. City traffic, stop and fast start...100 times...
What are Tesla doing that other manufacturers aren't doing to be so efficient ?
They are quite aerodynamic. However the Telsa is not a practical vehicle for many people, well not for use anyway. It's also quite expensive for what it is.
Aerodynamics, lightweight (for an EV), thorough optimisation of drivetrain and ancillaries (where other cars use ICE legacy systems that may not be as efficient).
There are downsides, though. The aerodynamic shape is not exactly pretty. Weight reduction means a lack of refinement and noisy interior.
I also wonder if Whatcar get their efficiency numbers straight from the car's reporting, or if they measure the energy used against distance driven. ICE cars are often optimistic about the efficiency reported by the car's computer, and I wonder if that may be part of what's happening.
@@amperformance7998 ICE cars will never be as optimistic as Elon Musk is even on a bad hair day...
@YYpang I mean its expensive compared to the competition.
Is the bmw i4 m50 any good
Im sure there are some available for test drive, though they are blooming popular so the wait times (like with most cars still) is long.
Edrive40 is fast enough for everyday use
M50 is faster but consumes more. Consumption is still good for the real life
The i4 should have been driven on 18 wheels it would have had much better range
The Issue with EVs is (usable Miles )
1 - You are not supposed to charge it to 100% often
2- you are not supposed to discharge to less than 20℅
And expect to lose miles in the cold winter
Thats close to 100 miles lost
No, you're only supposed to charge to 100% (and discharge below 20%) when needed; not never, just with discretion. The truth is that most people will rarely need to use the full battery.
When you can charge at home each night it's trivial to operate in the middle 50% of the battery if you want to slightly reduce the long term degradation (many people don't worry at all). Then, when you're going long distance, you just charge to full.
Tesla actually advise charging their standard base RWD Model 3 and RWD Model Y with LFP batteries to 100% once a week. LFP batteries are much more resistant to degradation than lithium ternary batteries. LFP batteries are used in the standard range MG ZS EV and all BYD EVs.
LFP batteries which is the newer tech in teslas and starting to see in others can be charged to 100% and discharge as much as you like as they are much much less effected by thermal deg to the point it drops a battery range over approx 1,000,000 miles just 1% faster than if you kept it at a constant 70% (optimum)
You're not supposed to let an ICE car run empty, depending on vehicle can require effort to bleed or manually prime the fuel system again. Plus the fuel pumps are cooled by submersion. Always filling when you don't need to means you're carrying extra weight which reduces efficiency. (But I do understand your original point)
It want Solar on the top of the car now
comparing different car segment, price and size also without specifying what was the average speed...
This test is not useful, i just stating the obvious expected result imo.
Now we know who killed the electric car(s). Should have hired me to name your videos.
GJ
I have a VW petrol estate and it’ll do 600miles before it needs a 2minute refuel….I can also carry petrol if I need too as well… Oh sorry… this is electric cars only 🤫
Theye are family cars and need tested with a family of four in the car and some shopping in the boot
You recommend the car with the worst build quality (Tesla 3). The BMW will be the best second hand purchase due to the huge drop in value.
I like the Cadillac escalade ESV from 2020 for seeing that it has a Cadillac escalade ESV Electric like 2020 the one day because I like the Cadillac escalade ESV from 2020. 😭
People have no respect for their money who pay full price for an EV that is half a car.
All driving activity in the video show the cars lined up behind each other in convoy. This is called "platooning", especially used in trucking to save fuel as it saves a notable deal of energy for the cars shielded. I am not sure why you are doing this, which certainly distorts the test results.
Really?! Still driving them down for the clicks 🤦♂️
Just run a 100km trip and your there with the consumption value.
And airco isn't running that much energy.
Some even have heatpump being even more efficient. In an ICE they consume more power.
We used to do exactly this, before charging through a kWh meter and extrapolating out to get a theoretical range. It's certainly easier (and less time consuming) but also less robust. In some cars you'd be using a much greater proportion of the energy stored in the battery than in others, and efficiency varies depending on charge level. So, the cars with larger batteries that only use, say, 20% of their battery capacity would be at a relative disadvantage.
@@whatcar Efficiency change with SoC?
Maybe when your dead on last 2% cause of voltage/amp issues going all places.
It's not really so much if an impact on a total trip. Seen enough trips with OBD data that have shown proper steady values.
I can see why electric cars will not go well in Australia especially in the outback no infrastructure infact there are no electric charging stations in Australia we do have electric cars here and they are recharged st thr drivers house you could not drive to Melbourne from Sydney in an electric vehicle but there are plenty of petrol stations maybe there will be recharging station but don't hold your breath
*_i don't have a problem with my 2007 bmw 5 series. I normally travel from uk to france and back to uk without worrying of getting stuck somewhere without charging station. I don't see the point of buying electric cars and they are all overpriced!_*
Pretty much a waste of time for the average man. They are very expensive vehicles.
Why use WLTP? Just look up the EPA figures … not perfect but much better
Why would you even bother doing this?
Why so many excuses and explanations for the Teslas?
Such a misleading results table! You have to ask yourself, 'why do most people select a particular car?' and, leaving aside those for whom money is no object, it usually comes down to cost and what the neighbours will think to a lesser extent! So, if you are trying to measure efficiency in a way that is relevant to most people, perhaps you should be looking at how much each mile of range is costing you? On that basis, for the cars that you have selected here (and where it isn't clear which trim I've selected the What Car? Pick) the results would be quite different: 1 = MG, 2 = Kia Niro, 3 = Cupra, 4 = Kia EV6, 5 = BMW i4, 6 = Tesla Model 3, 7 = VW iD5, 8 = Tesla Model Y, 9 = Volvo XC40, 10 = BMW iX3 ........... but still interesting?
Just buy Korean cars for EV cars...
why?
This isn't a little bit different... literally every car channel has done the 'drive EV till it's flat' test. It's not really very informative. Try and get somewhere BEYOND the suggest range of the car and charge it efficiently along the way... The poor state of the charging network and how a new owner should use the '80/20' rule is more important than the cars themselves.
I agree teaching new consumers who aren't from the early adoption phase (so interested in how it all works) is more key now. Telling them to use a charger for the range they need or to only, at busy chargers, charge to 80% so they dont block a charger for longer than needs be is important. People buying EVs now aren't necessarily going to learn the ins and outs before their car arrives. Some luckily join EV groups and get info there, people like my parents have me to inform them, but many wont have this benefit. So education on EV usage is key.
Well luckily new battery tech is making that rule obsolete due to LFPs having no effect being charged to 100% due to the extended lifespan expected being over 10,000 cycles (2,000,000 miles in my model 3 LFP)
Waste of time
In order not to confirm the prejudiced misconceptions about EV technology don’t SHOUT THE WORD DIE in you title.
To my knowledge this isn’t done for ICE vehicles how ever ridiculous they can be.
The BMW is a real dog from the reviews I have seen.
Not sure what reviews you've seen!
The M50 variant has had some negative reviews but not the i4 e drive 40
@@bshah4831 Negative…I’ve seen a few mention it isn’t that engaging a drive but I wouldn’t call them negative. Like the 320D, the 40 will be the one to own.
@@trevoryong just try driving yourself, it is amazing
Genuinely don't know why these channels bother to do these kind of videos because regardless of the result the final verdict is just buy a tesla 🤷♂️
Who wants to buy a car from a far right lunatic? Not me.
Just get a screwdriver to finish the assembly plant work 😄
@@KDR816 😂👏🏻👍🏻
Here's the thing, we don't want electric crap
Absolutly stupid this video...
How you can compare... The price of the car can guide you...
Poor boy....
For example i4 costs similar to M3/MY. And more a question of a taste (or lack of taste when you go for Tesla 😂 Elon is happy because covid made many people tasteless)