Kia e-niro EV in -40°!! Will it work?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- Just when you think it can't get any colder. The day after the -35 test, it is -40! -40 is where both Celcius and Fahrenheit meet. So this is both -40°C and -40°F. Do you think it will start and drive? Because remember, the media and the petrolheads constantly tell us that EV's don't work in the cold? So it can't possibly start in -40, right?
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A common question which I will answer here.
Q: Why didn't I preheat the car first?
A: It's a cold test to see how all systems perform starting from cold.
It is very impressive! Byt should be more interesting to see how it works if you dont have anywere to plug in when -40 and have to use the car when the battery is as cold as outside.
Just couple of days at - 30C and abdsolutely no car will start, battery can't take it.
@@anttikatajamaki3871 old Lada could start because it has a crank handle :D
Wow, I thought that my e-Niro is suffering at -5C ... seems like it's nothing 😃 . Great job
Since I'm in central Canada, I have seen these temps. We had the same air mass last month (today its 10 and rainy, however). My gas vehicle has to warm up for a good 10 minutes before I'm comfortable driving it in those temps, so to be fair the EV works well in those temps. I'm a bit surprised you don't have gloves on, that's more dangerous than the temperature itself. LOL Thanks for showing.
His model has heated stearing wheel, electric vehicles also tend to warm up the cabin faster than gas vehicles.
Interesting fact, -40°C is also -40°F
Are you sure? Seems counter intuitive to the fact both scales move alongside eachother...
Damn! You’re right!
(-40°F − 32) × 5/9 = -40°C
@@jwvandegronden Wow, had to do the math , purely Einstein! At what temp. is C not equivalent to F?
@@yvesnaubry246 Not sure if I understand what you mean, but I'm quite sure this -40/-40 is a one of. Did you try other values? I did. Haven't found one yet that does the same trick, ending up at the same value as with -40. You do realise they are different scales, right? Celsius used water as his gauge, freezing being 0 and boiling being 100. Fahrenheit on the other hand, freezing starts at 17.8 or something. and it is not a linear scale either. So please elaborate, simply curious what I missed here!
Where are you to be having -40c?? Daaamn...
@@nelsoncasquinha lots of places in Canada
-39 is very cold even finland! Crazy weather.
Glad to have found this channel. I really enjoyed my trip with Tony and Andrew on Aurora tours in 2016 in Finland.👍
Hi John, did you come across my channel just by chance or what? Small world that like.
Thanks for the informative videos, We live in Canada Alberta and see temperatures like you all the time as well, you should do a video on charging habits and how to keep your battery lasting longer with the temperature swings we have.
Love that you did the same test for us a day later when it got even colder. Following your channel, love the content.
I am one of your Subscriber from Atlanta Georgia, USA. I can't even imagine that kind of cold at all. I'm quite impress with the Niro EV. We were looking at the Model Y SR and the Niro EV. Now I have reconsider my choice after watching this. Very impress. Great video. Keep warm. Brrrrrrrr
You might want to watch TeslaBjorn’s videos from Norway. He drives Tesla’s and other EVs in -26c and below
@@SirHackaL0t. I sure will check it out. Thanks for the recommendation. Much appreciated
Being connected to the wall charger, very likely that some power was used to pre-heat the batteries, after charging cycle ended. Also could be (don't know for sure) a small blow heater behind LCD's in order to keep them at least reasonably responsive, very thoughtful of Kia engineers...
Wondering can you do a test leave it outside over night without plugging it in. does the thermo pack kick in below certain temperature when you plug it in
Try leaving the car overnight without winter mode enabled and see if the temperature in the battery in the morning is colder as it may be doing something in the background.
Also try putting the car into neatral for a little bit whilst driving and see if that affects the motor noise. Really interesting seeing how the e-niro performs in exteme cold even though my e-niro here in the UK will never see temperatures like that.
Great video thanks take care in the mega cold weather
Hello Tony , which obd adaptor do you use with EVNotify ?
Holy cow that is impressive to see and even though it never gets this cold here it is good to know the car can handle it. Last time I did charge it and left it in ECO mode I had 480km shown but during winter it is usually 380km 😀
Nice
Hiyah Tony, I've just found your channel and subscribed, very informative. Ive noticed you haven't the stock wheels and wondered why you've changed them, also what tyres have you got on? Last question is where is your accent from, it sounds very Warrington or similar? Cheers pal.
These are the winter wheels that come with e-niros in Scandinavia. The stock wheels will be going on in late March which have the summer tyres on. Looking forward to a slight range improvement then. The winter tyres are Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 studded. They are just mega in the snow/ice.
I'm originally from Runcorn, but have worked and spent a lot of time in and around Warrington, so your pretty bang on there mate. Most people say Wirral (which is pretty close too). No-one is saying Liverpool which is interesting, I guess I've lost my scouse twang that I used to have!
Great video! What tires do you have - I was nervous watching you on that much snow!
I remember having to walk home from a party in -40, in shorts an a Hawaian shirt. It was fine, but obviously not ideal. Only a twenty minute walk though and I think I ran part of it because I was worried about the cold.
Looking at buying one of these, so happy to see it works in these temps. Would it still pre-heat via the app I wonder?
Put some gloves on! It's -39C!
Super impressive!!And to think i was worried about the charging port door at -5 in the uk last week!
charge port does not have actually temp issue, its more like moist freezing in the bottom of the charge port near that sink hole there, sticking the charge port "door" to it too... but no big deal actually, you can open it anyway but you need "card" for charging or something
This is a great video for me and my Finnish spouse! We're going to buy this model very soon and we've been wondering how well it will work on a very cold Finnish/Nordic winter day! Thanks man!
I checked your temperature in Fahrenheit and by God it's the same! Amazing, I just spoke to my son and he is getting his ICE vehicle for a winter check this week. I feel lucky to have been able to afford an EV.
Cool mate, something out of the box.
I actually stopped worrying about strange noises coming from my car with these temperatures. It goes as it goes and yes, it drives as driving in a tank. suspension is creaking, Motor hardly turns over despite blockheater but just like the niro, it goes and that is important.
Thanks for the videos
Cheers from Minnesota Tony! I can tell by the sound of that snow that it's very cold. I must visit Finland some day.
I've discovered the reduction gear uses 1 litre of 70w gear oil. This is a very viscous oil and in these temps will be very thick. I think this is the cause of the air raid siren. The noise goes away after 20 minutes when the oil has warmed up a little.
I've also noticed the air raid siren doesn't appear until the temps get close to -20°C or colder.
I have a motorbike (Triumph Bonneville Bobber) with straight cut gears and that whines too. So I think this is very probably the reduction gear making the whine.
Ah, that explains why I had that noise for a very short time last winter. It was minus 22 degrees, and cars sometimes do strange noises at those temperatures..
I think the Luftwaffe was coming! :)
Maybe the same goes for the clicking sound of the brakes. Oil-pump trying to increase the pressure. When you are driving the regenerative braking takes care of most braking, so you wouldn't notice much.
@@Mausy5043 Not oil pump -- vacuum pump for brake boosting
@@MrTimodon again
Very nice content. Instantly subscribed.
Even all exhaust filters work right from start up 🤪 Great car! My i3 would punish me with reduced power and regeneration, but that's OK.
Nice video.
Did you check the grade of oils in the transmission and other moving parts before this test. From a quick glance online it seems that -40F is the point where most oils stop flowing. Or does the Niro have a winter spec oil?
A similar thought applies to the brake fluid, esp if it is somewhat old. Any water that has joined with it will be frozen in the pipelines and master cylinder.
Here in warm Havant UK I actually had to defrost the screen five times this winter already!
Reduction gear uses 1 litre of 70w gear oil. This becomes very thick and could be the cause of air raid siren.
I had serious doubts about the Niro but now that I saw your video, I'm going to buy it. Technically, this car with this pricetag beats all the other electric cars. Thanks for this video!i!i! I LOVE IT!!! I love your attitude!!
Consumption test from yesterday in -34°C will be coming today or tomorrow.
Do share in miles/kWh for us imperial luddites if you can please
@@myblackboxrocks Roger that.
Hi Tony, the colors on the bar on your energy consumption screen are weird - at 4:54.
Mine has the smaller 7" screen and it shows the bar in the same colors as those percentages above: orange (drive), green (climate), blue (electronics), violet for battery care. This last one I've never seen go above 0%, and it's supposed to be the battery heating or cooling when needed. I guess the -10 celsius that we had here didn't trigger it.
Cool running... well actually rather chilly.
Good work bro from India
Hi Tony, greetings from Cumbria in the U.K.
Kia make great cars that’s for sure.
I’m actually considering the Kia eSoul for my next lease car.
Have you driven one? I’d like to know you opinion.
I know they are basically the same car.
I’ve just subscribed.
What tyres are you running please?
Stay safe and well, and warm.
Hi has your e Niro a battery heater and if so have you seen it working. Mine should have one but I have never seen those temperatures here in the uk. THANK GOODNESS. The uk would of come to a complete standstill way before that temperature probably about -10. A great video it proves just how low cars can operate in. As you say you really wouldn’t want to be out walking in that for long. So to sum up I shouldn’t get any cold problems with our e Niro in the uk.
It does and I have seen it turned on one or twice. But that's about it. Kia really need to do major software revision on the battery heater because it's useless.
The only issue you would have in UK is possibly ice/slush freezing the charge door shut. Here it is such dry cold, the snow doesn't stick to the car. So I have no issues with the charging door or anything.
Wow, got to lavish praise on Kia for the thorough depth of engineering to still work relatively normally in those conditions and work at all.I dare say the steering lubricants would be a little bit viscous in these temps too.
I am in Adelaide South Australia and the coldest I have seen is about minus 5C.We normally have 40C+ temps in summer to contend with Also impressed that the range is not halved like some EVs in cold temps. I have a diesel Sportage and it has been trouble free for 8 years and 130k kilometers so I have become a bit of a fanboi but I think with justification. This just adds to it.
Weird that the battery warmer doesn't activate on those temperatures. Wonder if it's broken or something. In evnotify, the "inlet" value shows temperature of the liquid going in to the battery.
amazing
@finlandTony. Does your Kia E-Niro EV have a heat pump, If so do you have any issues with the heat pump not working (blowing cold air) in those really cold temperature?
Interesting 👍
Great that the E-Niro performs great in these cold conditions! We never get these temperatures in the Netherlands. Last week we had -14 degrees and life almost stopped here 😉. How did the I-pace perform at these temperatures?
I-Pace also performed faultlessly down to -37°C. It did give a 12v low battery warning for 10 mins until the traction battery charged it up enough. Ok the brakes didn't work too great for 10 mins while the 12v was low. But other than that, fine 🤣
Respect that you are going outside and i wonder that the car is running. In the netherlands it was last week -12 C and today is was +17 C. I did not take our kia e soul to drive but my motorbike with these temp.
What motorbike you got Albert? Jealous you are riding!
@@FinlandTony I drive a yamaha xt 1200ze and it is my 7 th. Te last 2 i had total damage in the blackforrest germany. For a couple of years i did tourgiding for a gasthouse in the black forrest.Longtime ago a met there a guy from finland. He was driving to barcelona for a bikermeting in barcelona. greetings albert
Do you just leave it plugged in overnight outside without cover?? I'm wondering if you have any issues with the charger freezing or anything like that?
Good Job
Well done, super cool car
It's amazing test! I was thinking the battery can't work under -25C(battery temperature) so where is the limit of Li-on battery? :-) btw: Niro has SK Innovation battery and it seems to be good choice :-)
I'm just wondering do you regularly charge that car to 100%, for daily use it's normally advised to keep the battery between 20% and 80% to reduce battery degradation and only charge to 100% for long Journey's.
very impressive！
Hello Tony.did you ever check whether there is something wrong with the car because it made that howling sound-or was it only due to the cold?
Isn’t there any preheating system that you can activate like 30 minutes earlier?
Is there a diesel version and is it the d-niro?
Kia and Hyundai use LG screen module. It is awesome~
What is that on the front of the hood? a light bar? How is it powered?
I have the hybrd niro version. Very capable car. At - 10C here in Texas, with the snow, I drove no problem.
Is yours front wheel drive? Ive been nervous about taking mine out in snow.
@@LiveLaughLennox They're all front wheel drive, not an issue is snow as much as ice. But then any car will have problems driving on the ice without proper tires.
@@TacticalChick3n Thank you!!
How quickly did the cabin warm up?
Is winter mode on ?
thanks for the video. i have a question, can you set the charger to charge the car to a specific percentage? or do you have to unplug it yourself?
You can set the charging limit in the car for both AC and DC charging. If you only want to charge to 70% eg, you can do it.
@@FinlandTony thanks. one more question. i watched another review and the guy said that the grip on wet roads is not that good and that the car is fighting to find grip. is that something that you noticed?
@@mottiyos1 Not found that at all. Finnish roads have great asphalt, the car sticks to them well whether it is wet or dry. When I lived in the UK, Tarmac was more slippery when wet than European asphalt. So if the other reviewer was in the UK, the road surface could have been a factor. I am very happy with the ride and handling in my e-niro, in all weather conditions. I wouldn't say it's sporty, but it holds the road really well.
@@FinlandTony appreciate the time you took to answer that. Thank you very much
Did you check your tires being so cold the air will condense in the tires making them under pressure
Experienced -42 here in Canada. Most of our company trucks would not start. Those that did had some wheels frozen (bake pads) and transmission / differential oil created high resistance due to its viscosity. Impressive that the Niro functions at this temperature. Better than ICE vehicles
EV still have differential oil and brake pads... When not plugged in for 24 hours for less then -20deg C you loose warranty on the battery (*Tesla case)
Im a proud owner of an Kia Stinger diesel with 2,2 liter engine and 200 hp. It will start every day! Good car! :)
Diesels flat out die in these temps ib my experience
How low can you go in temperature... Impressive to see the e-Niro still driving under these conditions. I hope the motor noise is a cold issue and will disappear when it gets warmer.
Just uploaded a new video with a consumption test in -34°C.
In -40°C I would say 200km. Which is impressive.
I think the noise is the reduction gear, because it uses 70w oil which will be almost solid in these temps until it has warmed up.
Did you find out what happened to the sound of its break?
I commute 180km to work everyday in my Niro, and no problem so far. Great car.
What is that app you are using?
Do you not get a app with that car to pre condition it like the ID3
Odd that sound as you were well above the 20km/h limit where the VESS turns off unless that was not the VESS sound. Love it though, having grown up in Canada I remember temps like that you just need to dress for them and don't go out with bare hands...mitten weather but then operating your camera would prove difficult. Love the silence though, no noises other than your footfall on the hard pack. Where I am now, Tasmania, will never get that cold but impressive and had no qualms it would work in that temp unlike many many ICE vehicles unless they were in a heated garage as you said or plugged in to keep the block warm. Good video and thanks.
Tony those kinds of temperatures happen from time to time v in a lot of Canada. I live in Winnipeg a city of 800,000 . A couple of weeks ago our airport temp went down to _ 38.8 c and yet there were thousands of vehicle's driving around, numbers modified mostly by the pandemic. The vast majority of those cars are running on gas engines or petrol as Europeans say it , people here use block heaters as needed. My car is 19 kia niro hybrid and I plugged it in last winter twice just to be sure. But it's in an unheated garage and I haven't bothered this winter and its been fine. It is pretty creaky sounding at low temperatures though not as much as our previous ford focus.
I noticed that when you got into the care the range showed 261Km. When you gort out to do a 'walk round;' it's showing 281! is that because you turned the a/c off or has the battery warmed up slightly. Do you have a heatpump on the car?
You're welcome to those temperatures!! I'll stick to balmy Dorset. In septen=meber (as I write I am getting 320MILES to the full charge.
Good luck.
Sähkikset toimivat myös äärimmäisen kylmässä!... Itse arvon Hyundai E-Niron 64 kwh tai Tesla model 3 SR+ välillä...
ABS seems to have a problem but why? The brake pedal will do that if you slowly press it and it doesn't get continuous pulse from the wheels that they are rotating.
My 21 eNiro does terrible in snow. Front wheels slow down to nothing on climbs. If I turn traction control off it isn’t much better, it just slips. Any tips? Seems like the engineers should have put more weight over the front wheels.
Quick tip: there is a setting which enables a battery heater, it should be activated in these conditions to get some regen and charge.
Winter mode is enabled. The battery heater is useless and never comes on.
@@FinlandTony Uh... Oh... What a bummer. 🤦♂️
@@FinlandTony I had commented earlier but deleted it because I wasn't sure. But I looked it up and I think I know how it works now. There's a video from Bjorn trying out the e-Niro in Norwegian winter: th-cam.com/video/YlucsA-ugqc/w-d-xo.html. At the 10 minute mark you see that his ODBII says that battery temp is going up immediately after plugging in. There's another part where he mentions the heater. I believe it works only when charging and will stop when the battery reaches 10 degrees celsius or so. That would mean it would be better to use scheduled charging so your battery is relatively warm when you leave.
@@KsiNixNie The battery was at least -15 to -24 when he started, not -39.
Works great here in Arizona at 120° F.
Also, do you have the battery care activated? It's supposed to be activated for cold climates, but I guess you have to activate it manually...
Yep, winter mode is on. Battery care is pretty useless. Kia need to fix it.
@@FinlandTony I had Battery Care activated once in -25 C when battery SOC was below 30 % during drive.
Northern Minnesota here, and we get these temperatures and colder every winter. I think auto manufacturers need to start putting in better thermal insulation and also using some kind of thermopane for windows. When I lived in Manitoba, all cars had to put on frost shields, which act like thermopane, for winter.
And people in Wi. had endured normal winter temps of -30°F.
Have you tried the EV Watchdog App? It's a monitoring OBD2 app which runs on Android and could provide you with a bunch of data.
Is this the 64kwh or 39kwh Niro?
What’s a Liverpool
Lad doing in minus 40!?!? Somebody send you to Siberia lad!’😂❤❤❤
Hello. Насколько проехать один заряд зимой хватает ?
Is this the same Niro that was on Bjørn's channel?
The Kia e-Niro stored outside overnight at -39°C, starts easily and drives fine (albeit with some creaky noises). Very impressive! I'd be interested to see how other EVs would fare.
I think the car is good even in cold vinter.....i hope you have fun in your new car...mvh Magnus Lemhage Skövde Sweden 😀
Gloves please
Why didn’t you pre-heat the car? Was it just because you were aware that it was going to be colder and wanted to try it?
It’s good to know it can do -39c but yeah, preheating is well worth the time.
Is this the part elec part petrol niro?
Mate I've got a brand new one and its shocking.
No, it's the "e-niro" in Europe or "niro EV" elsewhere. Meaning it's full electric.
Heh, my e-Niro must have been in the same shipment, the plates have the same letters and the number is just four off from yours.
Test it 1 day without preheat at -40 🤔
Have you ever heard anyone say they don't work in temperatures such as 40 below? I have heard range is reduced and that is most people's concern.
Gasoline cars do run, as long as your battery and coolant are in good shape, and don't drive them only on short trips you should be fine, Just had -43 C two weeks ago
💪👍
I thought that the e-niro had a battery heater that kicks in below a certain temperature.
It has
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How much does the overall range reduce in such cold weather?
I see no one would answer. I wonder why?
There is no exact answer, depends how cold, how much snow in the road and headwind lowers the range. But very basic calculation is you lose 50% of range, and this kind of -40c' to be safe side expect to lose 60% of the range. Also don't drive too fast, it will not help your range to be better.
I think the issue with EVs in cold weather is not whether they can run, but the reduced range when they do.
Minus 40 BUT his Kia was PLUGGED IN! That matters! What happens to his Lithium batteries when they drain dead empty in -40 and are left frozen for a day? In other words - left unplugged for a weekend? Plugged in the battery heater keeps the batteries alive and keeps them charged.
I had a Tesla Model X unplugged in -35C for two days. When I got in it to drive it drove just fine. I imagine if you allowed your battery to get to to zero in -40C it would be similar to letting it get to zero in the summer except when you got it towed to a charging station it would take longer to charge.
Do I detect Scouse?
Does it have a heatpump?
Yes
He's right about frostnip--it is sooooo painful. And that's why I will never again live in "Sunny Alberta, Canada". No, just no.