Kia Niro EV driving impressions & summary
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Pricewise, Ariya is a direct competitor to RWD EV6, not to Niro EV. At least in Finland. A great video, you just forgot to promote one very necessary improvement vs. the old Niro: This new one preheats the battery when navigating to a fastcharger. Major improvement for Nordic drivers, especially as the optimal charging curve is rather mediocre. Cold coldgating battery is a true annoyance in the old e-Niro. A small improvement that is major at least to me.
Thank you. It is thing which I have look. Is it possible to turn on it by hands? It will be useful when you don't use car base navigation
with changes in nissan status we have to question their manufacturing capacity
Are you owner of ev niro’23? If so Happy with it?
One thing to consider is that with better efficiency, you may not need to stop and charge & in the UK that is now very expensive. So a long journey, with great efficiency means a much cheaper cost to recharge back home 👍
Also the Ariya may be better but it starts at £46,000 compared to £35,000 for a Niro EV. That is a massive price difference, could just get a Tesla model 3 instead!
Vehicle-to-load is a big feature for me, something I’ll be looking for in my next car. The MEB cars don’t have it, and I haven’t heard about the Ariya having it. It’s a big deal. That’s a huge upgrade for the new Niro EV for me, so to call it un-upgraded isn’t fair IMO. It’s not an important feature for everyone, but for some of us it is.
The MEB cars have just added a VtL VtG in software update (ID software version 3.5), it’s currently rolled out on the facelifted 2023 models. It is limited in meantime to about a couple thousand kWh, I believe to preserve battery.
Nice video. At least you have decent white lines on the road. In Scotland they can't be bothered to keep our lines painted
I did a test drive myself and the infotainment was more snappy and I quite liked the way it drives. Base trim Ariya costs €6000 more here. Thats the same as the EV6.
Hi Bjorn, thanks very much for this summary. You have driven so many cars so your more experienced than most so your opinion is awesome. For me I purchased the Niro and agree with most things you said. The Ariya is somewhat more expensive in Ireland. The base Ariya in Ireland is 55k euro more expensive than the EV6. The top trim Niro is 45200 euro (what I paid). But everything you said is correct. It got a design update but everything else is pretty much the same and that's disappointing. However i do love the car and delighted with my purchase. Charging in Ireland is no where near Norway so 50Kw is standard here. So again thanks for your video. Been waiting on it for months 🤣
I think that about sums up how I feel about the new Niro. For a first time EV it's a great value purchase, but I feel like it's a bit disappointing for older Niro owners, especially since the price hasn't gotten any cheaper vs. the previous model and it doesn't offer any more range either. Other brands are quickly catching up so I'm worried that the 75 ish kw max charge won't be enough to compete in the near future. The interior is quite a bit nicer than the outgoing model though and if it's anything like the old E-Niro it's rather nice to drive as well. 45k for a fully equipped Niro is good value though, because they come very well specced.
Hi Ml, I've a 21 Eniro & am considering upgrading to a new one. The only thing I find with the Eniro is a bit of road noise & the seats could be better,otherwise a great car.
I suppose what I'm asking is would you buy the new Niro again. Mine has 40k kms on it & judging by done deal I might get close to 40k...so it wouldn't be mental money for 2 yrs. Tks in advance, Joe
@@Joe-ud2hb that decision would ultimately be urs. In my opinion the new Niro is a great car. We are missing a few small things that the British 4 got like Sunroof, memory seats, side sensors and the self park feature. But we got the heat pump and that has a more practical use.
Overall the cars are very similar and if your happy with the existing car I wouldn't upgrade. But if you don't mind the extra few euro to spend every month then go for it. For me I had a choice of it and a used EV6 Earth. I love the heads up display and the ventilated seats which the EV6 didn't have. Delighted with my purchase.
ENIRO or NIRO EV, I think you would be happy either way.
But remember you won't likely get one til next year and by then more choices of evs will be out and a better opinion could become available.
@@DerpotronGames agreed. I plan to keep an eye on the used market and the battery market. When both meet me in the middle I might upgrade again. NIRO EV will be mine for the next 3 years in my opinion.
Range on the Niro is quite good and which a full charge you can practically get anywhere in Ireland. I can get from Donegal to Belfast and back on a single charge so charging isn't too much of an issue for me yet. I can also do Donegal to Dublin and back to Monaghan where I stop for about 15min to charge to get back home.
@@MichaelDoran23 Tks very much Ml, safe driving 👍
I tested the autosteer today with 2020 e-Niro without cruise control. It's not the same as in the new model but it does something: it makes a correction when a the car goes to the side of the road (on the line) and warns right away the driver to hold on to the steering wheel. So, it's not completely inexistent :)
GR8 test! 👍
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Here in California, the base price of the Niro EV has been very close to the base EV6. The Kona is much less expensive. It feels like this Niro EV redesign should have also come with a lower price to make sense versus the competition, as you summarize, and within their own lineup. Maybe that's still going to happen, but they figure they can make that money as long as there's a waiting list.
Just a remark: you may not want to compare the Niro to the Kona, since the Kona is in a lower segment. A few years back the Niro was the equivalent to the classic Ioniq which again was a segment above the Kona.
I think the Ariya is a bad comparison, in the UK the base model is £46 where the Niro EV starts at about £37k, maybe a better alternative would be the EV6, the base EV6 is cheaper than the entry level Aria at £45k and has a bigger battery!
I'm biased as have a Niro EV on order, but better comparisons would be the VW ID3 that cannot be ordered at present in top spec, the infotainment system is slower and a bit substandard with its omitted backlighting on haptic controls, and the boot size on the Niro EV trumps both the Ariya and the ID3.
I do feel the charging speed is the main bug bare, but I intend to use the car for sub 200mile journeys and city driving so should suit me.
Tx good video Björn
I get how people who might have owned this car before and know its history might be able to evaluate it the same as you but for those of us car shoppers who are conscious of our own wallets, we are likely to make adjustments to our expectations. We know if we get this car, we are not getting a KV6 Ionic 5 or Mach E. It is typically what cost conscious people do after all. Thanks for your video just the same.
they increased legromm for new model, mach e is now a smaller car
Thank you for a great video! I will go on and order the Ariya after seeing this video. I liked it better when driving them both and now I’m convinced. It’s a bit more expensive but also bigger and better in every sense that counts for me 👍
Does the Ariya have the range of the Niro?
I have a 2019 Niro EV and it definitely had app support already - at least in the US.
I actually see many small improvements: little frunk, head up display, motorized liftgate, pre heat function, less wheel spin as they optimized the torque, vehicle to load, better sound system... Yes, they could've done more and the car should've been maybe 5-10% cheaper to make it perfect sell...
Hi Bjorn, reading the manual on the Kia E Niro, it is Lane Keep Assist. In the name it assists and you must keep your hands on the steering wheel. I f you let go it beeps and dispalys to replace your hands on the wheel. Extra beeping after and then it disengages. It keeps the car between lines!
Did you test the highest spec or low spec model? I looked at a 4 and it was very nice, only lack is the 80kWh charging, but I rarely use rapid chargers and most I have found in places I need them have only been 50kWh chargers. Still waiting for infrastructure changes in UK
More Thailand / Tesla / Charging infra / solar installation on your house in CM also would be great.
Bjorn, I suggest you could introduce the new test on every car you have for a few days, which would by vampire drain overnight when standing still.
would be boring because most EV und have a vampire drain.
With my model Y if you turn off sentry close app etc. you lose 1-3 miles a night
In my opinion, Kia unintentionally made it hard for them selfs years ago with the Kia e-Niro (Niro EV gen 1?). They made the e-Niro so good compared to the competetion at the time. To an attractive price. This made the e-Niro (and in may aspects also the Kona Electric) at the time really superior to many of its competiors, even with models yet to be launched. To make my standpoint clear, the e-Niro have 200hp with 400nm, 64kWh _NET_ capacity, heat pump (in my market, this differs from other markets), a full blown TMS (looking at Nissan Leaf...), good aero, camper mode, resonable charging speed and good praticality. Was it perfect, no. But it was a good car, that many already knew from earlier iterations of Niro (HEV, PHEV).
Most countries outside US could not get the Tesla Model 3 at that time.
Fast forward to MY2023: Now we have more Kia EVs, and closest new one is EV6. From Kias perspective, Niro EV gen 2 cannot compete with EV6. Kia have to make the Niro EV gen 2 "less refined" than EV6, not to have customers go for a cheaper Niro EV.
If I guess freely, this is the reason why the Niro EV gen 2 is NOT getting much better sound isolation (that EV6 has), NOT getting better charging speed (peak around 84kW), and NOT getting bigger battery (do not count 0,8kWh as bigger, sorry) and NOT getting AWD, ONLY 750kg on tow hitch (in our market, only MY21+MY22 could have tow hitch at all, and then only 300kg). Also, the Niro EV gen2 is slower (engine torque is reduced to 255nm from previous 400nm). Kias official statement to this is to reduce tire wear.
Kia could simply not make the Niro EV gen 2 too good, or it would impede with sales of EV6. Most likely is this the last Niro EV (to be replaced by EV4 or simililar size car).
As an owner of both e-Niro (MY19) and Kia EV6 (MY22), I can really tell that Kia made much improvements to quality and premium feel of the EV6. Havn't been able to drive the Niro EV gen 2 yet (just sat in one), but I can tell the quality/premium feel is not really there.
Is Niro EV gen 2 a bad car? By any stretch, NO. It's a great car. The "problem" is that Kia made the e-Niro (Niro EV gen 1) so good, it even competes with cars released in 2022/2023. So Kia have to make the Niro EV "fairly good", not "great good".
Please note that all above is my thoughs and opinions.
And key: Niro EV now is overpriced.
e-Niro was best value priced.
Kia is missing out on previous success story.
yes old niro is bait.
Spot on!
Now it just feels overpriced.
And that is not a sales pitch that makes people choose a Kia.
Luckily I ordered my Niro EV in April, still at a reasonable lease plan. Now it $200/month up and delivery is delayed by over 6 months 😖
Thanks for all your content, it reallly helps a lot. I'm still looking for an alternative to the Kia Niro, because in price, there are not similar options. Nissan Ariya may have a similar price in your country, but your channel is in english, so I guess most viewers come from abroad like me, where Nissan Ariya is way more expensive and not a real option. If it wasn't Nissan Ariya, what would your option be to compete against Kia Niro?
Why is Bjorn negatively slating the Niro EV? The comparison with the Ariya is strange when the latter car - 63kWh Evolve - is £7k more expensive than the top of the range Niro EV in the UK and similar in non-Norway markets. Ariya has 11-13% higher consumption according to Bjorn’s range tests. It has a range of between 171 and 252 km at 90 and 120km/h respectively. The Niro EV has 288 or 416 km range from Bjorn’s tests at the same speeds. The Niro EV is significantly lighter, improving the handling and the performance. In spite of a lower charging speed it was only 5 minutes slower than the Ariya on the 1000km challenge; though I take issue with the frequency of Bjorn’s Niro EV charging stops with these consumption values. These are some of the reasons that the Niro EV will continue to outsell it’s competitors. The reason that Kia has not made more significant changes is because the existing car works well. And most owners only rely on public charging for occasional long journeys. Most homes can only provide a 32A AC charger, c. 7kW, so this is a levelling factor in many purchase/lease decisions.
I agree, 4k more here for the small battery Ariya v Niro EV & alot less range. Joe
I think the Niro EV could’ve been on my top list if it had a light motor in the back and AWD (something like Toyota AWDi). But I am going for something else now to replace my Niro PHEV.
The specs say the new Niro EV is 4.5 cm longer than the old one, so the extra banana box makes sense (depending on where the extra length is, and how you orient them).
I guess depend on which market. Here in Canada it's 10k cheaper than most of base trim competitors. That's a good reason to chose it :) Overall I think it's still relevant EV for who are not after the latest bells and whistles.
I have the same autostreer in my Ceed SW PHEV. Tbh, it's better than Tesla autopilot in most use-cases for me, in highway especially(only place I use AP/autosteer). Not a single phantom brake etc.
Hey, Bjorn. Thank you for your videos. In the UK Aria starts from GBP 46 thousand and Niro EV 3 - from 39
I see why Aria is a bit better for such a whopping difference :D
Yeah, I guess the question is, “if you had the base price of the Niro EV to spend but couldn’t afford an Ariya or Marvel R, would you get the Niro? Or something else like the ZS?”
Yep. My salary sacrifice wants more than £200 per month extra for the A compared to the N.
Hi Bjørn,
I really appreciate your videos 😀
Any chance you are going to test BYD Atto 3 with the 60 kwh battery? 🤞
Yes, once it's available in Norway.
I love my niro ev
The $40,000 USD 2023 Niro EV has been passed by the competition. It's an EV with old 2018 range/charging speeds in a 2023 world. It needs to be $10,000 cheaper.
Björn
If you had to choose between ID 3 and Niro EV which one did you choose?
ID 3 ist much smaller
@@ReinhardSchuster is it?
ID.3 hands down, as it dosnt sounds like you are in a plane when driving.
ID 3 hands down. Because the reverse parking sound of the KIA is hideous and it is much too loud.
The problem with the trim comparison is the no two countries/markets are alike. Here in NL you only get the 10 inch screen. In the UK, the basic trim is basic…. This is all driven by pricing strategies linked to the markets where it’s sold. I agree that the new Niro EV 120 kWh charging would have been better but as stated already the majority of charging is going to be done at home or parked at an office., so no real loss.. could some of the interior materials better, yes… that increases price. But the rest.. it’s down to taste and where you want to spend your money… I like the new Niro EV I have one on order to replace my Niro HEV.. I could have gone with a Chinese car or VW but for me this met all my requirements.. for others it will be different.
What is the acceleration from rest like? The old one was jerky with lots of wheel spin and released the whole hp too quickly. I had heard that the new Niro was much smoother.
an American reviewer used a draggy and measured 0-60mph in 7.0 seconds without the wheelspin that the 1st Gen Niro EV had.
Interesting. In Poland Ariya is priced as EV6, sp it is not Niro competition. In fact, when I ordered Niro back in June, it was by far the best offer when compared to any other manufacturer. It offered best value for money the only downside being charging speed.
But then the car was apparently selling so well they bumped the price 20% and it is not longer such a great choice perhaps.
I just checked an it is almost the same price as Leaf 59kwh
Then EV6 is really cheap in Poland or Ariya is very expensive.
In Finland Kia Niro EV starting price is at 45.500€ and Ariya at 48.900€. In my ears that sounds like 3.400€ well spent especially when Ariya is more refined. EV6 starts at 55.000€ here.
In Denmark Nissan Ariya starting from 380.000 dkk and Kia Niro EV from 339.900 dkk..
@@fredrikh8070 + EV6 can have 12 to 14 month wait time, which can be a turn off. Well, it's probably even longer now.
@@fredrikh8070 In Poland Niro EV starting price is 191000 zł ( in april 167000, in june 181000), EV6 starting price 201000, and Ariya starting price is 210000. In Poland, Niro's direct competitors are Kona and Renault Megane E-tech rather than Ariya. And MG is not available in Poland
I ordered this Kia Niro EV, got to testdrive it a whole weekend (seems normal in Norway), and just like you, not impressed. The auto activation of lane assist and autosteer was annoying. The constant needing to ‘pull’ the steeringwheel instead of just touching it was annoying. But the biggest dealbreaker for me was the size. It is just to small for me, also getting a baby soon, so I need something bigger. Will try the Nissan Ariya as Bjørn mentions, and see how that is. I would love it if Ford came with the F150 Lightning to Norway. Fingers crossed. For now i changed my order of the Kia to be on the list of the Kia EV9, thatone is going to be big, I think.
Why not get an enyaq in that case?
We've had an niro ev 2021 for about a year - but it's increased in price since we bought it so we're selling it and buying an enyaq coupe instead. 4x4, bigger battery, 100L more trunk space, faster charging, not as many sounds and warnings as the kia and much more.
The regular enyaq is also great, a bit more space for a bit less efficiency.
Teslabjorn has some great videos about both the regular enyaq as well the coupe version.
@@Eriand89 thanks for the reply, i have looked into the enyaq, however it does not fit my taste. Plus, If i add the specs I want, I end up nearly to the price of a Model Y LR/performance, and if I check Teslabjørn’s sheets, especially the Bananabox, the Model Y is just as big. I know he made a video of the EV9 concept, if they keep the size I will be happy.
Kia EV9 will be like 5.2 meter long.Its really huge
One important upgrade is the one pedal driving, which could/should be easily fixed in the old eNiro by a software upgrade. The other one - battery conditioning that actually works. Otherwise, except for the refreshed interior, no big difference. And it also seems to be slightly more thirsty.
The other competitor coming up soon is the Toyota bz4x, similarly priced but looks much more advanced, and it has the AWD. Looking forward to your test on this one! BTW, I'd also take the Aria over the Niro EV.
If the BZ4X will keep the wheels on 🫣
@@The_Observer72 😁
In what way did they upgrade the one-pedal driving, Pawel? My biggest beef with both the E-niro and the EV6 was that the one-pedal mode wasn't permanent and that it disengaged when reversing. Would love if that changed.
@@StefanLundmark What I mean is that his function is not available in the old eNiro, so enabling it in the new one is an upgrade.
no new niro has different motor inverter battery. totally new car
So Bjorn, it seem if i already have an older Niro there is no reason for an upgrade right ? We where thinking on keeping the car as long as possible, my wife loves the old niro. ev. And i guess after marcet will be great support once evhub is all over the place 🙂
I would let wife keep the e-Niro 👍
Only design changes.
So, if I want a quiet car, then I must choose Ariya ? Most quiet for the price...
I have a 2019 model; it has an app and is connected, at least in US. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade to a late model Niro EV; I would be looking for AWD, 300 mle range, and serious towing capacity in my next EV...
Offtopic, but does anyone know if Hyundai has matrix headlights tech at all? I wander if one could count on ioniq 6 with matrix LED headlights. Otherwise, no matter how I like ioniq 6 look etc, without matrix LED system it's not the car for me
Ioniq 6 will be available with matrix led.
Hello Bjon; I follow your vídeos regulary and I like then, but this time I affraid I did not. This one was a kind of publicity for Nissan Ariya, did not count it, but i think you mencioned more times than the Niro. You did not mentioned the difference of privé for example. We will see in few years what customers says. In any case it is just my opinion. Keep on doing videos and greatings from NL
Pardon? You missed the whole point. I did *not* promote Ariya. I compared against many other models too. I think you're being a bit too Niro fanboy.
price is different from countries
In Sweden Niro EV competes with price. And it still has that 7 year warranty. I can get a VW with 5 years warranty but that comes with a price tag. An Ariya needs the bigger battery to compete since it is less efficient so it's 20% more money.. An Ionic 5 was close in price, but they won't accept orders and don't know what the price will be for 2023 year model. EV6 is just too expensive.
Family complains a little about the size of our current Kona, my only beef with it is that I can't tow a medium size trailer to get junk to the city dump etc. Otherwise its a fun car, not super comfy though.
Kia success rate in Sweden used to spell “best value price”. Since Kia now charges premium price, buyers will either choose same priced competitors or more likely lower priced Chinese cars.
Bad strategy on Kia!
Delivery time for the Niro EV is currently up to 9 months according to my Kia dealership, so I don't think they have any problems selling them here. Apparently 1000's of preorders already...
@@The_Observer72 Yes, only the Chinese can compete. I guess they count on general antipathy for buying Chinese.
@@oskich The first 3000 preorders in Sweden were signed at almost 2000 SEK lower price than todays leasing offers.
The table will turn for Kia if they decide to price point with more premium brands.
Hi Bjørn. When do you test he Megane e-tech? Because the Ariya cost baseprice € 49990 in the Netherlands and the base Niro EV €40.850. That is a huge difference here.
The cheaper Megane models only have 130 hp, which seems to suggest that they are more aimed to counter eMokka and electric Citroen models etc. If I lived in Netherlands I'd just get the base Model Y, which is just €50k for some reason. 10k less than in here...
@@praiha ok. But the problem with cars above € 50k they wil be more expensive due to tax regulations on our income
I'd summarise as Niro EV makes a good used car, but little point in buying the new one. Unless you want to tow, as the new one has 750 kg towing capacity.
In Sweden you pay more for a used electric car than a brand new - this is due to delivery times. The used is slightly less on the price tag, but the new one will make you eligible for the government pay-back.
Bit odd that Sweden encourages new buy. The embedded carbon in manufacture suggests that it would better to avoid encouraging car production. EVs are better but also damaging. Dilemma.
The Bolt has improved a bit, and the price has dropped. The Kia Niro EV has improved a bit, but the price has not dropped by anything like the same significant amount the Bolt and EUV did. Even Nissan has dropped the price of their 40 kWh version because they recognized it was a much more limited EV relative to the competition. Kia needs to recognize where they fit within the market and drop the price. That is the problem.
they know that charging speed is slightly faster than bolt, so increased price . what a shame
at least it has gotten bigger in size
Arya has not adaptive regeneration and paddles
One big diffrence is that KIA offers 7 years of warranty, while Nissan only gives 3 years.
Nissan battery warranty is on par with Kia. For 500-600€ you get 5 years warranty in Nissan.
Yeah but you have to put the car to service every 15k km which has a cost of 60-300 EUR per service
I thought it was standard procedure to service your car every 12 months / 15k km?
@@oskich it is but for somebody like me it is a lot who drive 30k-35k a year
@@Marbellous Normal service for an EV is about 100-150€ depending of where you live. For me it’s once a year at 15-20 tkm and that’s ok.
Arya Is Just arrived and shoulb be Better than a car 5 year ago , but Arya has not frunk for the cable and a Major issue Is the charger Plug on the right .
Big issue for small garage
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Inner London is crawling with Niro EVs, they are everywhere. Possibly many are Uber drivers, I think they have a scheme to help the drivers to go EV.
doesnt uber have tax deductions? rising gas prices goes towards evs
15:31 _the car has not been downgraded since before..._
Meanwhile, Teslas did get downgraded :D (USS)
Nice car like the e-Niro before was as well but why don’t they stop this annoying Bing bing bing thing when firing up the car. I don’t like it 😂
Would love the Ariya, but the Niro is much cheaper
Not in Norway.
Cheaper because it has fewer options than Ariya. Compare the documentation
@@bjornnyland From the comments here, and what I can see on Nissan's UK website, it looks like you could start up a nice little business exporting Ariya's, that seem to be being sold very cheaply in Norway compared to elsewhere in the EU and the UK :-)
Kia have backed themselves into a corner as they need to differentiate this from the EV6 so this car can't be as good as it can be
I've seen lots of reviews talk about the problem with the top spec Niro-EV being close to the EV-6 and that being a problem for the Niro. I suspect the reason why they kept charge speeds as low as they did in the Niro-EV is because they were worried the top trim Niro-EV would be too much competition for the base level EV-6.
I don't know how you can say that the new Niro is not better than the last car.
Seems almost as noisy or a bit noisier than a Polestar 2 and at a higher frequency.
I never liked Kia steering wheel and seating positions. Reminds me of a bus or semi-truck.
2 reasons i ordered the Niro EV in May and does not regret it; 7yr guarantee and at 430k it was in my budget. They increased the price 25k in June so i guess i was lucky.
Is that NOK? In Sweden it is 530k....
@@altoclef6688 yes the active pluss had a listprice of 419k NOK in may/june before it increased to 445kNOK. Starting price of lowest tier is 400k NOK.
The KIA Niro EV is a great car, except it's reverse parking sound is much too loud. Imagine you are living in a quiet neighborhood, with lots of quiet electric cars. Sounds ideal wouldn't you think. No it is not. When your neighbour drives a KIA Niro EV (or EV6 for that matter), and he leaves the house at night, the whole neighborhood is woken by the sound of a truck (KIA EV) backing to the street.
There is a physical button on old one at least to turn it off. I do if it's late etc.
in summary... it is not a bad car, but today it's too expensive. For me it could be the perfect low price car even with 7 years complete warranty. I wonder, why Kia doesn't do the price gap between EV6 and Niro EV...
Well isn’t everything too expensive a part from the MG4? Welcome to the real world…
The Koreans are afraid of updating Niro's batteries because their newer batteries are fire hazards.
Can you please make more baby content? My wife is obsessed with your baby and dog >.