Bloodlust: The Story of Bible John
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Tobin died in 2022 and not 2015, he was slashed by an inmate that year but it just left a scar.
Thanks for the clarification on that point. I really like it when people share the infomation they know about the case. Especially when you know you're right and you did it very assertively. Once again, many thanks 🎉❤🇦🇺😊🤗
Maybe the victims werent chosen because they were menstruating but they were killed because of it. Imagine that the killer charmed these women and thinking he was on a promise of sex, walked these ladies home, probably after a kiss and cuddle, then being turned down to go any further because these women were menstruating or discovering they were, he flew into a murderous rage feeling duped or led on. I think there will be more victims that were either raped or maybe even consented and never saw his evil side as he got what he wanted from them and the victims felt they couldnt come forward due to attitudes toward victims in that era.
Interesting thought.
That's what I was thinking! No way he'd know that before his awful acts.
This is my personal theory as well; it's called survivorship bias. Because we only focus on victims that meet a particular criteria - women on their period - we don't look at anything else. What if Bible John's intention was to rape, but when he came upon a menstruating women (who are "unclean"), he murdered them instead? We aren't paying attention to other victims because we're only focused on murdered ones, and because of that, other potential witnesses were never identified.
That is generally the thought behind this unifying factor. To suggest otherwise means people aren’t paying attention to the research that has been done on this case.
There were
It's a case that has haunted Scotland, particularly Glasgow, for decades. Those poor women and their families are still waiting for justice and it seems ever more likely the case won't be resolved.
Not since they carelessly lost dna evidence on all 3 cases. That takes talent
The longer it goes on unsolved the more likely it is to be a member of the Police Force. They do anything they can to protect one of their gang buddies
I was only a kid, at the time and lived near Glasgow. It had everyone, absolutely, terrified! Justice may still come!
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Thanks for covering this. I remember reading these cases in all the Sunday newspapers when they happened. I would like to see them solved even after all this time.
I've never seen the reconstruction of Bible John showing his teeth. For some reason, that particular image unsettles me in a way the others do not.
Jockney sparrow
I’m so sorry this happened to them , these women had kids who loved them and that they wanted to see grow up into adults , it’s so unfair how life works smh
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I agree. He should have been captured and brought to justice. Hopefully he’s facing justice now if he is gone.
Mima mcDonald was my mothers friend😢, I was born in Mackeith street were Mima lived & died.
Tragic. I’m so sorry.
Peter Tobin didn't die from the slash wound. He died last year from cancer.
Tobin was also very badly beaten up some years ago while in general circulation at HMP Edinburgh and apparently refused all pain relief or anything more than basic medical care. I believe his face was smashed off a sink.
I'm glad u said that cos I was thinking wasn't it last year? I remember there being an outcry as the scum paper ie s*n posted pictures of him ill in his hospital bed.
How awful poor ladies, they just wanted to dance the night away and have a good time x 😳
The women were strongly criticised for going out dancing while they were menstruating. WHAT???
The reasons that women have been victim blamed throughout history just keeps getting more and more infuriating!! 🤬🤬
It truly is infuriating! What? We're not supposed to go out when menstruating? I don't get it.
Yeah. But unfortunately it might have been a remnant of medieval belief that women who had intercourse while menstruating were impure and tainted. And these dance halls might have implied they wanted to hook up hence why they went out. I think that’s in part what drove Bible John to commit those horrendous crimes.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 All through history women have been punished, in one way or another, because men can't control themselves. 🤬
You’re absolutely right. I’m a man and I found this totally misogynistic even puritanical.
@@Peeta-wn4hh I totally agree. Unfortunately I don’t think whoever Bible John was would agree. All I’m implying is that he might have come from a fundamentalist household which would explain a good deal about his personality and possibly his motive.
The police made quite a few significant mistakes by dismissing potentially key avenues of inquiry and by getting tunnel vision in their focus on just one theory with regards to suspects. That said, they are human like the rest of us and they make mistakes. The sad part is that whoever killed those three women got away with murder.
That's actually not accurate. I looked into the case online and found that there was a massive investigation, much of which was not shared in this video for some reason. They didn't get tunnel vision at all. They were allowing the evidence to lead them, but there just wasn't much to go on. Evidently, at first, they didn't think 2 of the cases were necessarily connected for a few reasons, one being that they were 18 months apart. Anyway, here is some info I discovered:
Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full-time
16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week
Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch
Over 50,000 witness statements were taken
Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone
What are the chances that all three of his victims were menstruating?! weird coincidences. Whoever did these crimes got away free he was or is a monster. Thank you DC another well presented video 👏👏
So strange. If that was part of his MO, how would he ever know??
I thought the same. How would he have known? I suppose it could be coincidence but…….
Maybe he asked them to have sex and they said they couldn’t or wouldn’t because they had their period.
@@skreemqueen7520 Stranger things have happened, so it's possible.
The only thing I can think of is maybe he had a chance to peek in their purses and saw they had supplies with them.
The courtroom-like drawing is scary asf!
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Please please please never change your background music, it's beautifuly haunting
Excellent coverage DC!
Very sad indeed!
I live beside an area called Battlefield and about 100 yards from where Patricia was found. Always felt Angus Sinclair was a good suspect who lived in Battlefield I believe in the 1970s and knew the area well. He also fits the description better than Peter Tobin and certainly had gingery hair in his younger years.
I think Sinclair looks like the sketch. He doesn't open his mouth in any photo, so you can't see his teeth. Sinclair m.o matches these stranglings.
4:55 what is the significance of the shoes?
The reason why the police gave so much prominence to the clues of the bite marks, was that these had proved vital in catching the murder of a girl named Peacock, who was murdered in the Lanarkshire town of Biggar in 1967. Forgotten Scotland has covered this case on TH-cam.
Another awesome video DC!!!! Thank you for all of your hard work that you put into making these fantastic videos. Your channel is one of my favorites, you dive deep and simplify the information that you gather, making it easy to follow along and stay interested. Keep up the amazing work and I can’t wait to see what you have coming up next 👍🏼👏🏼🤟🏻👊🏼
Thank you!
He may have worked at a pharmacy or grocery store near where these women lived. How else would he know they were menstruating?
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying women wait until they get their period go buy feminine hygiene products bc it seems to me that they probably have them on hand since they are sold in lots of many many more than just one or two? So honestly seems irrelevant.
I'm always curious why so many are quick to chastise detectives. There was a MASSIVE investigation. It's not always easy, and we're only hearing a short summary of what happened. Imagine if we had to sort through every detail as it came in without knowing a single thing.
Just in case you haven't looked into the case, here are some details I found:
Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full time
16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week
Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch
Over 50,000 witness statements were taken
Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone
Brilliant voice and accent for these videos. Keep up the great work. Peace be unto you.
Thanks for this story that needed to be told. How can people be so 😢😮mean?
This guy could still be alive you know he would be quite old now but its scary to think that this guy has been walking around free for decades without anyone realising of the crimes that he commited and he likely has more victims that we don't know about serial killers don't usually stop killing unless they're physically incapable of doing so and the fact that these murders happened well over 50 years ago gave him more than enough time to go on another killing spree at some point
Yeah. I have a theory on why he was so hyper focused on menstruating women. I think Bible John was brought up in a strict, fundamentalist household that stated that women who were on their periods were unclean. You see Judaism actually has a reference to menstrual blood by stating that they (women) are tainted during their periods and in the past the Church specified that women should not have intercourse while menstruating. In fact after a women’s menstrual cycle ends the woman was expected to take a ritual bath to purify herself in order to wash away the impurity. At least that’s what I recall from what I learned via reading certain Jewish texts and books on Medieval history. I’m trying not to let a bias form because of my knowledge but that’s been my theory on what drove Bible John to commit his crimes. If anyone has any theories of their own I would be interested to read them. Whatever the case may be this person was clearly not stable mentally and he took mothers away from their children. Hopefully he is rotting away in Helheim where he belongs.
My Broken Record: Call the damned police! I know this is older, but it still happens. Afraid of being mistaken? Be afraid of being right but not calling!
I was saying to a friend i was at the barrowland ballroom last month and they told me about this story! So glad you've covered this
My god this is a fantastic video, i loved this, dark, intriguing and wow, your voice. Loved it, Im a new fan - Biker.
I didn't realize that Tobin had been cleared by DNA. THX for the update.
Great work, as usual.
Tobin's colouring is different. He doesn't look like the sketches. If they have dna why don't they use genetic genealogy?
I thought semen was found on a victim that didn't match Tobin's DNA .....but it's not that difficult to carry another man's semen in a soiled condom to plant false evidence....as sick as that sounds
That doesn't clear Tobin. It just means Helen Puttock could've had a quickie with someone else.
He's a dead ringer for the pic, he had a missing tooth and Helen's sister said and he used the name John Semple.
My money's on it being Tobin. Him moving to England means nothing. It only takes a few hours to be back in Glasgow.
@@Sigma.6 if you want the killer to be him it will be him one of the photo fits looked like Jimmy saville
Another brilliant video
Am from the east end of Glasgow not far from the Barrowlands. Still haunts the city. Even my son knows of Bible John and what a monster he was.
Interesting how did he knew all the ladies had they periods? Is not something to chat about when you out dancing…🤷♀️ also the police comment about enjoying yourself when you had your period is weird!
Who ever done this killings?…is sad we never going to find out😢
Likely he came on to them and they said no I'm on my period
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Some women r pretty open about it. I heard he insisted to know and if they didn't he would look for one that did!!!
disgusting the way they shame the victims....even worse that it still happens today
Tobin just seems too convenient. It's like pinning the Green River murders on Ted Bundy b/c he was originally from the Seattle area. My guess, due to the mention of rather white-collar/intelligencia attributes, is that he might have been a visiting scholar at Glasgow University. He was someone who'd been in the city long enough to learn the lay of the land but was only there for a finite amount of time.
It's heartbreaking to hear the the physical evidence was improperly stored. That happens more often than it should.
1968- Glasgow Scotland - It all began after a brutal murder of a woman named Patricia Docker a nurse and 25 years of age. 18 months later in 1969, Jemima McDonald was seen dancing with a man named John who was familiar with the bible and bible quotes and Jemima too met the same fate as Patricia Docker. Then two months later the body of 29 year old Helen Puttock was found.
So creepy!!!!! Thanks for covering this haunting story. Also,,, don’t watch this before bed HAHHA I couldn’t sleep at all after watching this
A reminder of how bad policing once was and how judgemental society was.
Married women running the streets at night are still viewed negatively, and rightly so.
The detective from the stock footage at 9:27 looks a lot like the red hair sketch of Bible John 🤣
I've been listening to true crime cases for years, and it's the first time I come across a man that chooses women that are in their periods.....I'm still wondering how the hell he knew....it's not like we go around telling everyone we are on those days.
He didn’t target them bc they were menstruating. He targeted many women for rape and only killed those who were menstruating.
They could have told him they were on period to stop his advances
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There was A LOT more to the investigation:
Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full time
16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week
Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch
Over 50,000 witness statements were taken
Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone
I'm curious where some of the information you shared came from. From what I could find online, within hours of finding her sister's body, police released a sketch according to Jean's description, even later improving it using new technology. 🤔
Jean was brought in 300 times to view potential suspects in a lineup. Although bouncers gave a different description and said hers was not accurate, her description was the one used.
I saw direct quotes from police reports, none of which shamed the women or indicated that they deserved it. Saying things like they "were known to be promiscuous" is a fair note to keep in mind. It could possibly show one reason why they were chosen, especially considering the perpetrator acted holier than thou.
This channel unfortunately shares a decent amount of misinformation
Peter Tobin died in 2022 of cancer. Not as a result of the attack on him in 2015.
If John thought the Barrowland Ballroom was such a bad place wtf was he doing there??
Who knows why. My theory is that he was looking for “wayward women” to punish. I personally think he was from a fundamentalist household that clung onto the archaic belief that a menstruating woman was impure and had to sequester herself during her period. At least that’s my theory based on reading about ancient Judaism and Medieval history.
Looking back, now being 54, I remember internalizing that women who are attacked bear some responsibility for their attack for bad behaviour. We only heard of the stories where a woman who wasn't on her best behaviour, in any way at all, was partially at fault. Knowing better now, it just goes to show how the men in charge are so committed to the idea that women are property to be done with as they wish, that if the woman wasn't a saint, that was a reasonable defence to a rape. Dudes, is it too much to ask that you don't rape us? Too much?
Why did nobody think to visit local churches to see if he attended them?
they should have checked the local priests and seminary students. bet you would have found him
Armchair Theory:
It was a chemist.
Or a guy who worked at the chemist.
He eyed the feminine hygene aisle and who bought what.
If he saw the same person out that night he zeroed in.
Not precise, but that was his tipping point.
If Bible John thought it was a den of iniquity he should have stayed outside and announced that fact to patrons as they came and went. To go in and dance with the shameful, loose, careless women then rape and murder them! What he was, is a psychotic murderer.
You should listen to Pat Brown. It's not 'victim blaming' to encourage young people, both men and women, to be careful. Read 'killing for sport'. The reality is, there are predators out there and we all need to take care not to elevate our risk. Before I leave the house I evaluate risk, and rather than having a go at the media it would be better to encourage all young people to do the same. For example, don't take taxis home with strangers. It's basic safety advice, and blaming the media will not help a single person be safer in the future. Be more responsible in your analysis.
i’m only half way through but what is this guy, a bloodhound? how the heck did he know that all three of his victims were menstruating?
The existence of DNA had been known for a century by 1969. But that you could use it to tell one person from another (DNA profiling) was totally unknown at the time, and would be for another 26 years. So hardly "in its infancy."
There is soooo much to rofile someone here> Why not set up decoys at the ballroom? Watch the ladies-room, because> how would he know to target women on thier period? I’d be so mad too, in this city.
I think they _did_ set up decoys at the ballroom, didn't they?
There was A LOT more to this investigation than wasn't mentioned here. There were both male and female decoys set up at the ballroom. In fact, over 100 investigators were assigned to the case, over 50,000 witness statements were taken, and over 5,000 suspects were questioned within the first year. I'm not sure why that info was left out. Also, I saw no mention of the sister's description not being believed. Her description was released to the public and was even later improved upon by the use of new technology.
@@eadweard.Yes, they did, and it was quite an extensive investigation. I'm not sure why those details were left out.
No profiling in those days - thought to be 'weirdie' stuff. Also, women in the Police were largely used as secretaries, and thought to be 'unsuited' to undercover work. On the very rare occasions this happened it would prompt all sorts of discussions before and after, which are another story.
He spoke the bible, well hopefully God has really got it in for him! RIP to the victims!
I've heard Prof. David Wilson talk about his theory that Peter Tobin may be Bible John & David Wilson makes a convincing argument in the documentary I watched (I wish I could remember the name of it, it may be one of the "Born to Kill" programmes, but I'm not 100% sure). The difficulty with bite marks is that unless they're cross-matched at the time, it's almost impossible to say whether they belong to a particular person or not decades later, as teeth shift over time & with wear. I wouldn't feel comfortable ruling out Prof. David Wilson's theory based on teeth marks.
Tragic hope they will one day catch him, but wtf were they doing there. How horrible was their life that they were out there 🥺 so sad
Peter Tobin had 2 solid alibi,s for 2 murders , one being he was in police custody so he couldnt possibly be bible john .
I do remember some very senior detectives saying that they were convinced it _wasn't_ him and for varying reasons.
When I lived in East Anglia pretty much every unsolved case of SA or murder was just blamed on Steve Wright by default.
I assume they questioned Steve Davis??
He was in the frame for a while.
Disgusting comment
@@eadweard. oh dear, feel like I queued u up for that.
@@eadweard. not got the balls for a come back??
WTAF did authorities say about these ladies because they were menstruating?! Absurdity!
This is the first time I’ve ever heard my last name (one of the victims) for someone I wasn’t related to… It’s a bit alarming
Is Helen Puttock's sister Jean still alive I wonder. She described "John" to police and said he looked similar to a previous sketch of the possible killer. This video showed a photo of Peter Tobin when younger. If Jean is still alive has she been shown Tobin's photo? Does she still remember the young man with overlapping front teeth? It's rather unfortunate that the DNA has been lost or misplaced in the case.
Jean died a while ago.
@@GotMoreCakesive Heard that she Said it wasnt Tobin
One thing that nobody ever does, even today, is check for the same M.O. across the border once the murders stop in the area they happened. "Not their jurisdiction" and all that. But in today's age of global information sharing, there's really no excuse for a lack of curiousity.
Thank you Dark Curiosities.
There are no coincidences. Three women having their periods at the time of their murders is the key.
We don't know that. How would he have known prior to targeting them?
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I don’t know how he could have known but he did.
How did he know? He obviously targeted adulterous women, but adulterous women who were also menstruating? Coincidence? How did he know?
Idk bout anyone else but going by the picture with teeth showing I definitely don't think I would be dancing with him!!!! Saf.
Maybe it's just a coincidence that all his victims were menstruating. If not, I wonder how "Bible John" knew this. But, I probably don't want to know the answer!
Bears a striking resemblance to Turlough from Dr. Who. The use of a TARDIS would certainly aid in escaping a crime scene.
Great, concise account of Bible John ... but do we have a different narrator this week (voice and speech rhythms sound noticeably changed)??
It is the same last, maybe your mixed up with channels?
2 sisters do the narration, very similar voices but you notice slight differences if you are a regular viewer.
The lady behind this channel is born an identical twin (no, i'm not joking)
@@rruth82 yes DC and Kristy Skye are twins
the killer sounds like a very religious bugger who thinks that any women who doesn't 'obey' her husband and do what he thinks God wants to be fit for death. What an absolute villain being what he did to them.
I totally agree with you. I personally think he was from a fundamentalist Christian household which clung onto the archaic belief once espoused by the Catholic Church that a menstruating woman was impure and she needed to sequester herself away from men not her husband. Thus he probably saw the women who went to those dance halls as “living in sin” and probably felt like he had direct “judgement” upon them for their actions. Of course that may be biased based on my knowledge of old Jewish traditions and Medieval history. Who honestly knows with this case. It would be interesting to know how religious Peter Tobin’s household was when he was growing up because if he was Bible John it would be a catalyst for why he committed those crimes. Not that he is forgiven of his crimes of course. I personally think Bible John is suffering in the afterlife, either rotting away in Helheim or else reincarnated as a measly bug. I honestly don’t know which fate is more fitting for a miserable piece of a human like him.
The shadow man is scary
very sad for the victims.
Yes but two of them are cheaters
@@jackbsarthat doesn't mean they should have died
6:52 - not exactly making the best life decisions
Not exactly not judging
What’s up with the deer?
Earl Street Glasgow. You really have not done this well
People are asking about how he could know they were on their periods, I have a simpler explanation. After making an advance on these women, they could have lied and said “I’m on my period.” To politely say “no.” To his advances and this made him snap. That, or they were not on their period but were mothers and he left the tampons there to represent periods, which a woman of birthing age would have.
I knew a Bible Billy who had a pet goat.
I wonder if Tobin had reddish-brown hair and slightly overlapping front teeth at the time. If not for the moral judgment by police at the time, I believe the predator would’ve been caught.
Real name william degnan going as jockney sparrow on youtube
how are the front teeth of Tobin?!
Isnt Angus Snclair and his brother in law the main suspects in these murders?
A lot of things about this case are vey suspicious, very suspicious ?
Like the murders?
Glasgow is filled with hungry angry people.
That's crazy, I had an aunt named Jemima!
I know her I bought her food often...
My Uncle was called John Whyte 😮
And he cited Good book 📖 a lot? Mkaay
I’m sorry but the opening?
“She didn’t notice anyone was there” oh yeah she was dead?!?!
I was puzzled a bit by that part too but hey its free content and they put a lot of work into their videos I'm sure
Jak sie masz? 😀
Not so bad. You?
@@DirtySanchez943 Oh my god. I wrote this comment on accident, right after I woke up and I thought I was sending a text message, I wasn't fully "there" yet 😖
I think they had an idea who bible John was but didn't seem to care about the victims because these was independent women this guy was probably known for domestic violence so he had probably been at least been known by the police for his weird behavior and possibly known by preachers or certain churches doing confession I mean he probably had a job were he moved around allot and it wouldn't be unusual to have committed these crimes other places or similar maybe his family was known as a church going family he probably lived in the next or somewhere nearby or somewhere in the middle maybe a loner but not to much because he seemed to be comfortable in crowds and didn't make people feel threatened or anoid about talking about the bible this man wouldn't stop committing these crimes or similar crimes like domestic violence even if he went to church some of his deamesner would be notice at least time to time somebody new bible John he might of been married at the time or a girl friend I believe other people had came in saying they new this man or know of this man he was nice looking but not hasom just enough but average look so would fit in whatever area he lived or working so it would his well spoken demeaner and talking about the bible people would've had notice him
Thats Tobin all over!
Peter Tobin.
Peter Tobin. i would bet money on it.
Not possible.
@@eadweard. ive read the various theories, none of which hold too much weight except the DNA not matching, but all that proves is it wasnt him who sexually assaulted the victim on which the DNA was found.
@@KABModels Well we don't need to prove it _wasn't_ Tobin. Rather proponents of the Tobin theory need to prove it was.
The bite marks didn't match, and there was evidence of him being in England at the time, which is where he lived.
Some very senior detectives seem very convinced _otherwise_ and for a variety of reasons.
There was DNA that was tested against Tobin that exonerated him in these crimes. He died of cancer following a stroke several years after the attack by another inmate. This is a pretty big mistake on your part. Love your videos and your narration but you’re really damaging your credibility with misinformation like this.
You post too frequently to be accurate
Typical vote blaming
My goldfish hates me
Who cares ??
It feels ignored.😮
@@SylisDaCheesCakeGoatDon't feed the trolls.
Goldfish hate trolls
That's tufff
Jemima should not have been out dancing until 5 AM without her husband.
I'm struggling to feel sorry 😞.
He earned his red wings thus sayith the Lord.
Mental disorder. Is 0% question a complete loser at minimum
And talk about no game
I think the best thing to do if a family member disappears is to just wait a few days and see if they show up.
If they don’t just assume they ran away and get on with your life.