What is the difference? Ford Super Duty F250 vs F350! - Super Duty Build | Part 11
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- So… What is the difference??
Body = Same (except badging)
Interior = Same
Frame = Same
Front Axle = Same
Rear Axle =
2017-2019 F250 & F350 Gas (not HD tow) : Sterling 10.5”
2017-2020 F250 & F350 Diesel : Dana M275 10.8”
2020 F250 6.2L : Sterling 10.5”
2020 F250 & F350 7.3L : Dana M275 10.8”
Leaf Springs =
F250 : 3 Leaf Pack (shorter block)
F350 or F250 with Camper Package : 4 Leaf Pack (taller block)
Additional variations include: diesel vs gas, camper package, snow plow (available for either F250 or F350)
Motors = Same
Transmissions =
2017-2019 F250 6.2L : 6R100G 6 Speed
2017-2019 F250 Diesel & All F350 : 6R140 6 Speed
2020 F250 6.2L : 6R100G 6 Speed
2020 F250 7.3L & 6.7L & All F350 : 10R140 10 Speed
GVWR =
F250 10,000lbs
F350 up to 11,300lbs (on some configurations)
F350 offers higher payload and tow ratings (depending on configuration) compared to F250.
F350 is the only option if you want a dually.
F350 may be classified as a “commercial vehicle” check your state.
F250 is cheaper by $1,000+ compared to the F350.
Which would you choose?
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This is so easy! the difference is 100!
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hahahaha I love this Kelly! Best comment I've ever seen on TH-cam
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I was going to leave a like but then it would of been 101 likes and you said 100😂😂
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Great video exactly what I was looking for. Now I know the 7.3 I ordered has the upgraded rear end.
Excellent. Glad it was helpful!
Very well done. Great pace, great energy. I only wanted to know the info about the rear end but was absolutely engaged the entire video & learned so much!
Appreciate the kind words. Thank you
Good evening ! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with an F250 as compared to an F350. It will help shape our thoughts as to which one to go for. As I was adding up a hypothetical amount of weight that we would need for a payload, it seems that we would come in at around 1800-2000lbs of stuff and tongue weights. So, a mid 3000s payload capability would suffice us well; which seems to be where a lower trimmed 250 comes in at. A few of the trucks I've looked at had around 4000lbs payload; those were all f350s.
Very welcome!! Thanks for sharing.
That’s awesome to carry 3000 Plus lbs, in a 3/4 ton, but when hauling 3300 lbs but how’s the springs, braking, uphill hauling, towing when bed is also loaded, tranny temps. What if someday you want to put a camper on it, over-landing?
@@donoberloh my 2021 250 xl has a payload capacity of 3.538 lbs. My travel trailer has a tongue weight of 950 lbs . When I dropped the trailer on it the truck squated 7/8 of a inch . My 2020 gm 1/2 dropped 3.5 inches .
In FL the tags cost $50 more per year between the F250 and F350. The weight limit is set at 10K.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Great video. There are LOTS OF US out here maintaining complicated spreadsheets with what years have which axles, rear ends, transmissions, frame construction, etc. The manufacturers make it nearly impossible to get the info. Most of us have MORE info than the dealers know, and quite frankly it's the reason people buy the wrong vehicle and end up unsafe. Bottom line for the manufacturers if you are listening, we care! If there are differences in the design/build of the 10 speed transmission in 2 different configs, or frame reinforcements, etc for example... make the info available for informed buying decisions! Appreciate the video!
Well stated. Unfortunately, the 2nd hand market is more savvy regarding components. Sure would be nice if manufacturers make detailed specification sheets available...
Great place for one of my all time favorite quotes “it’s what we don’t know we don’t know”
What’s a reliable forum I can look into to gain more knowledge on the differences between them. I am in the market for a used truck and want to figure out what’s the best configuration to look for
With my f250 6.7 I had to register it to what weight I would pull, I didn’t go full towing weight but went high enough for when we upgrade to a 5th wheel. The powerstroke is an absolute beast for towing, love it.
What state are you in? 6.7L is a beast
@@TruckCamper Delaware
@@bluecollarwatches7048 Interesting how different states are!
I have had 3 Ford F250's for over 20 years. If you look at ordering brakes, the replacement brakes for 250 and 350 are the same for the 99, 2004 and 2012. The camper package, 2WD, puts 350 coils up front and an overload on the rear leafs. The camper package also has a higher amp rating regulator into the 7 pin trailer plug. Ford won't say what. Puzzling. On our present 250, I have an aftermarket Hellwig big ass rear anti sway, which is much better than stock anti sway, when you have a 2300 lb. TC on the back with another 5-700 lbs. of load. The 350 has one more leaf on rear. We put Airlift 5000's on rear which work great to raise back a little, but mostly gives better ride.
We prefer 2WD to keep load rating higher. .
The info you provided about the labels load ratings being there for private vs. commercial was new. Verrrry interesting.
To me, the Sterling vs. Dana differences seem to be made for off road, or extreme heavy commercial pulling. I drive very gently with the camper on, and have NEVER had any drivetrain problems with the 250. Synthetic lubricants all the way thru, changed often. The stock shocks are exactly the same ride control as Bilsteins for 2WD. Rancho's are better loaded bounce control.
We have had 170,000 miles on the '99, 75,000 miles on the '04 and 230,000 on the '10. About 25% of the milage on all have been with camper on. The Ford 2-350 are excellent platforms, and why manufacturers play a shell game with specific mechanical and electrical info is a mystery to me.
Great info! Thanks for sharing your experiences!!
Great video! So much great information ❤️
Appreciate it! :)
Good job I think you might have changed my mind. I'm in the market for a new truck I was thinking about the F350. I need to rethink that thank you keep up the good work
Very welcome! It's good to be educated on the components/parts that make the truck. Thanks for sharing!
@@charlesgoehring3445 Most of it is not. There are no detail specs on model of transmission, axles or drivetrain differences. They would be wise to show exact differences.
@@TruckCamper Agree. I opted for the F350 as I wanted the heavier duty transmission 10R140.
He really did his homework before buying that beauty 👍🏻🇺🇸 great detail explaining!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
Perfect summation of the differences. Thank you! Confirms for me that the 250 is what I’ll be ordering. Thank you for taking the time to create this. Perfect.
Glad it was helpful. Appreciate you sharing!
Get the 350. Insurance will be half the cost. Better resale. If getting the gas. Order the low gears.
@@rickmatz4456 Good advice on the 4.30 gears with gas motor. Great low cost, high value option. Insurance varies by state so really need to check. Resale difference is similar to price difference. Thanks for sharing!
F350 has much better resale value and more capability in general. It's silly to get a F250 and I work for Ford.
It wasn’t til the third “second reason” I realized you’re messin with us.
Talking is hard.. :)
Still have my '02 F250 with 240K on the V10 gasser. Been a great truck. Replaced the transmission, radiator and wear items. Towed my boat all over
That's excellent. Great service use for sure!
I have an 01 F250 with a V 10 gas. Only issues I've had it burns oil. 160k, and I've put them all on it. Pulled my camper, boat and now my tractor. Pulls great
@@davidcassity6593 That's excellent! Great work truck.
@@TruckCamper I should say I did have a spark plug blow out of the head in the middle of the Utah desert with a boat in tow on way to Lake Powell, Very expensive repair
@@walttrotter535 That's a bummer deal. My understanding is that issue was resolved on the later models?
I bought a 2020 F250 with the 6.2 diesel back in November, it's a beast. I've had GMC vehicles in the past , always 1500s, our local GMC didn't even have a 2500 on the lot when we began shopping. I had truck fever so waiting wasn't an option, we looked at Rams and Fords. We went with the Ford mainly because we were told they held their value much better. I'm so happy things worked like they did, I couldn't be happier with the truck. The best truck I've ever had , I love this truck. Like I said, it's a beast with power to spare.
Nice! Glad it worked out well. I agree the Ford is an excellent product for HD truck world. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you seen the light. We have a new Ford guy on our team. Haha
THANK YOU!!! we are shopping and couldn't figure out the difference!
You Bet! Ford should really list the differences.
The 6R140 is a durable transmission. We have three in our fleet, used to toe in excess of 10,000 lbs. Never had a problem, no overheating. Our 2015 F250 w/ 6.7l diesel has over 375,000, sill pulls strong. Hope the 10R140 proves as reliable.
That's excellent. Thanks for sharing!!
In your humble opinion, what are the best years for f250/350's? Found a 2015 with 100k.miles (350 gas).
I've seen this back and forth battle over fuel vs diesel. It's a tough decision.
The biggest difference I see between the two trucks is payload capacity. Depending on the configuration, you can get an additional 1,000lbs of payload capacity. Payload capacity jumps significantly for the DWR option (7,500lbs).
Yes, and I agree you get a significant bump going to the DRW.
@@southerncatlady6680 Dual Rear Wheels
very good review, thanks ! looking between the two now
Very welcome!! :)
Thank you for your very informative video!
Very welcome. Thanks for sharing!
I had a '21 F-350 with a camper on it similar to yours. It was totaled in an horrific accident. I'm going to be buying a new rig, but this time I'm going with the 250 like you did...primarily because I'll replace the springs. The only other difference between these two trucks aside from those you pointed out is the trailer hitch. The ones on the 350 is considerably more stout...class 5.
You are correct. It may be possible to configure the F250 with the bigger hitch but I haven't played with the build configuration for a bit. Good feedback. 👍
My 2017 F250 came with a "Camper Package". 4 leaf springs and a sway bar in the rear.
That's the same spring setup as the F350 with the sway bar. Thanks for confirming.
Great video and excellent explanation on the difference between the F250 vs F350! Just for the heck of it, if it is possible, change that F250 badge to a F150!!!
Thanks! The F250 and F350 badges could be swapped out. F150 is different.... :)
I bought a F250 2020 6.7L diesel 4x4 in July. There were NO F350s to be had in SoCal because of Covid19, and very few F250s. After seeing your video I'm glad we didn't spend the extra for it, thanks for your info!
Very welcome! Crazy how limited information is available about actual differences. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper it's great to know its basically one extra leaf spring and the f350 badge that's different on my f250 👍
Thank you for sharing this. Always wondered what the difference was.
Very welcome! Thanks for sharing.
nice video. When it first started, I was like why is Pete Rose doing youtube reviews? LOL
Haha thanks!
If Pete Rose and Ashton Kutcher had a baby… .
I have a 2020 F350 Platinum with the tremor package 6.7L it rides good for what it has for suspension. When you opt for the 7.3L you don’t get the overload spring for towing like you would get with the 6.7L. They are slowing coming out with mods for it.AFE finally got a 6.7L to work with. I have the 11500 GVWR package.
That is a nice truck for sure. Luxury on wheels. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent review man.
Thanks! :)
nicely done
Appreciate it. :)
The most common difference between 3/4 Ton and 1 Ton trucks from all the different manufacturers all the way back to the late 80s has been the rear leaf pack is designed to handle more payload (more leafs or a different pack all together). There sometimes is alittle different gear ratios, but allways the rear leafs packs
That is a common difference. But every manufacturer is different and the differences change depending on the year. The current 2017+ Super Duty can essentially be the same (even the leaf springs) depending on options. Biggest difference is the sticker GVWR being over or under 10k. Thanks for sharing!
Differences between them. The GVWR, cargo capacity, leaf springs. Not all F350s are over 10K GVWR. Depends on the GVWR package on them, if the engine is a gas vs diesel, if they are regular, super or crew cab configuration and lastly take into account the wheel base. Putting a slide camper on you should look for a truck with a camper prep package. That will also change a few important items.
Yep. Not as simple as F350 is better. Research and learning required for each configuration. Thanks for sharing!
Fantastic video. Ty!
Appreciate the encouragement!!
It’s about time ford got rid of that sterling axle it was just a weak axle in my opinion when it came down to towing but now that they upgraded to a Dana rear axle I’ve driven the trucks at my job with the new Dana axle and they just has more pulling power from the bottom end and what’s crazy is that the truck lugs in 6 gear even going up hill with about 22,000 pounds behind it and has enough torque to just pull through thanks to that bigger ring ratio. When it came down to towing Gm and ram trucks where always my preference not just cause of the AAM rear axle which is a strong axle for towing but gm trucks and Ram’s transmission’s actually downshift well and properly and have a good exhaust brake
Thanks for sharing your experience! Ford is still using the Sterling axle but the Dana axle is included with the diesel and F350 versions. The Sterling axle has been around for a long time and certainly isn't weak with a 9,500lb load rating. However the Dana axle is much beefier. I agree that having the 4.30 axle gear option factory is excellent. Have you had issues with the Sterling axle failing?
In CA (of course) 3/4 ton trucks are considered commercial by the DMV as well. In my experience (personal and anecdotal), CA drivers can expect to pay around $300 annually to register a 1/2 ton (non-commercial), $800 to register a 3/4 ton. and $1500 to register a 1 ton. The cost of registration for 1 tons is anecdotal info from a friend of mine, but it does not surprise me as the state will squeeze you any way they can. CA will allow you to reduce your commercial registration to non-commercial registration if you promise to keep a truck camper on the truck full-time. If you do this to save $500-$1200 a year in registration, but dare to ever remove the camper and get caught by CHP, you will be fined heavily.
Another fun CA thing: New gas vehicles are exempt from smog testing for the first 6 years. New diesels are not allowed this exemption. So in addition to having to have complicated exhaust systems with enough tech to launch a space shuttle, new diesel owners will have to start smogging their new trucks the second year they own it. This is most likely a way to stick it to the guys who delete their diesel exhaust systems. So like many things in CA, the majority of new diesel owners who leave their exhaust stock have to pay more so the state can catch a few eco-criminals. But wait, there's more....if you have a new diesel and don't want to smog it, you can pay a low low fee of just $25 bucks to bypass the need to smog it. So the end result of a program purported to require people to pay a privately owned auto shop to test their emissions for $50-$100 can opt out of the test by sending $25 directly to the state so they can spend it on "pollution mitigation", which I'm sure does not involve croneyism and corrupt private contractor selections in any way, at all, whatsoever.
Anyone who does not live in CA should look carefully at what has happened here and pay very close attention to what is on their ballots. These bureaucratic false-logic loops govern just about every aspect of life here, and the only thing they are effective at doing is siphoning off money from the people.
Lots of great info! Will never live in Cali... love to visit. Thanks for sharing!
I unfortunately live in LA and he is telling you the truth I have 2017 ford f350 6.7 powerstroke
Keep supporting those democrates they like your money.
@@errolpoxleitner7901 haha - they need more!
@@errolpoxleitner7901 Not for long...we will be out of CA before the end of the year.
More good information, thank you!
Very welcome! Appreciate the encouragement... :)
Awesome Review!....Thank you!
Appreciate it! :)
The biggest changes are between the SRW and DRW one ton models.
Agreed. Dually is significantly different
I heard the basic difference was the rear spring pack and differential. Other then that they’re identical trucks.
As a result of the different rear springs and gears the 350 has a higher payload
Also if you’re going to go with an f350 dually. You might want to get an f450 dually. Because the 450 has a wide track front axle and has a tighter turning radius
That's a decent summary. I agree I'd buy an F450 before F350. Better turning radius
There is an F350 srw option of gvwr derate to 10000 GVWR, like you said it’s basically the same truck especially if you are going with the 7.3 gas or 6.7 diesel. Only noticeable difference from the outside is the F350 has a 3” receiver hitch w a higher rating than the F250s 2.5” hitch.
Good info... thanks for sharing!
My 2020 F250 has 3 inch receiver.
f250 has a 3 inch rear end and the 350 has a 4 inch, however as i just bought a new 2020 250 I got it with a high capacity tow package that increased the gvwr to 10800 and added a 4 leaf spring and an upgraded rear end to 4 inch.
You are correct on the spring packs. Not sure whar you are referring to with 3 inch vs 4 inch...
I believe the high capacity tow package is only on the big block or diesel .
Size of axles tubes. 250 is 4 inch and 350 is 4 inch
You did good on the comparisons of F250 & F350 except 1 major difference is the brakes. F350 has a heavier duty brake system when carrring heavy loads is very important.
Not true. Only the Dually F350 has different brakes and only in the rear (different axle). Front is the same high pinion Dana60 either way.
F250 has two axle options - standard axle is 3.5” Sterling and if you select the ‘Axle Upgrade/Heavy Duty Tow Pkg’ you get the 4” Dana M275 that is standard on the F350. This pkg also includes the 3” receiver instead of the 2.5”. The purpose of this upgrade for F250 is that it increases payload ~700lbs depending on your configuration. E.g., 2020 F250 Platinum = ~1,900lbs payload standard & ~2,600lbs with the axle upgrade.
In my opinion, every F250 should be equipped with the M275 because it increases your payload and towing capacity while maintaining the softer ride characteristics of the F250 (2-leaf main springs vs. 3-lead main springs on an F350). However, if you are going to be towing a fifth-wheel, it’s likely an F350 will be what you require due to most pin weights being 2,000+lbs prior to adding batteries, generator, water, and trailer contents. Keep in mind an F350 SRW Platinum has a payload of ~3,300lbs.
Good info... the interesting thing is the Sterling axle is rated to carry 9,700lb load. So way over how Ford rates it. Both axles are overkill for how Ford rates payloaf.
@@TruckCamper I’ve updated my previous comment, but I would refrain from making statements such as ‘overkill’. That’s entirely subjective and the axles ratings are derived from many factors including safety and reliability. Can you put 5,000lbs in a standard F250? Yes. There are videos on TH-cam of exactly that, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
@@colinwatt00 Good point. Use your best judgement especially if heavily loaded.
Wired my super duty had a Dana 80 front axle. With the triton 5.4. 4x4, drove it for285k before trading it in no complaints great truck
That's great service use. Very nice
Excellent explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
The dually and the springs/blocks are a major difference. With the diesel the 350 is rated to tow 24,000 with bumper pull vs 19,000 for the 250. Big difference, especially if you’re doing dump trailer type work or don’t want to use a GN or 5th wheel to pull a camper. The dually’s allow for the higher axle ratio not to mention more ground contact for more secure towing. If you’re gonna haul real stuff than get the 350 dually. It won’t even start to feel funny while you’re behind the wheel, it’ll just take it like it’s not there
Agreed. And I'd suggest that the F350 should only come in a dually. Seems redundant to offer the F250/F350 in SRW. Thanks for sharing!
Brakes are usually thicker, larger on the F 350. This was the case 5 years ago
Would be interesting to verify! Thanks for sharing!
only on the dually
@@brentstouffer7365 Appreciate the clarification!
The brakes on the SRW trucks are all the same.
Good video thanks!
Welcome! Appreciate it
Ford has specification sheets for a lot of what a specific trim based on 250, 350, 450 with tow capacity, trims and set up varies extensively based on suspension upgrades and sport/raised (raised trucks lose towing capacity IMO for several reasons). You caught the difference with springs. Other key factors are the brakes are different from 350 to 450, the Single rear wheel 250 and 350 have the same brakes around but the 350 dually has bigger rear calipers from the info and checking I did (could be wrong). The payload and towing ability is significantly different with the 250 almost be half of what a 350 SW or Dual, if your towing spend the extra grand and be safer to yourself and others. The axle I believe are actually larger in diameter at 3” on 250 and 4” on 350 (+/-) and again the larger will hold up better to towing and longevity of the vehicle (must maintain your vehicle though)
The detail spec sheets are the most helpful of information Ford provides... however it is still lacking as it shows none of the actual component details or actual model differences. You can essentially build and F250 to have the same parts aa the F350 SRW which means it is just as capable and safe. However, the F250 GVWR is limited to 10k where the F350 SRW can go to a maximum of GVWR 11,800. So mostly it's for registration purposes. F350 dually is a much different truck compared to the F350 SRW. But I'd skip the F350 dually for the F450 with improved turning radius. Thanks for sharing!
Just researched the hell out of this question and bought a 6.7L F250 with high capacity towing option which from what I can tell, makes it an F350 in terms of actual performance. The high capacity towing option adds the 350's larger axle, spring pack, and 3" receiver. Ford's rated GCWR are the same at 30,000 lbs, but 5th wheel/gooseneck rating is still about 2,000 lbs less on the F250. Not sure why. I just couldn't find a 2020 F350 with all the specs I wanted AND $8K under MSRP.
F350 will get over the 10k GVWR. So basically you're talking a sticker as the components are the same. This causes lots of online debate. Fact is it's the same truck essentially. For some, ratings matter more than substance...
Overloading or over towing an F250 will always brake down sooner than a F350.
Nope the axle only gets bigger with the dual rear wheel. Both 250 and 350 single rear are the same except for the additional leaf
@@alexmuela92 I have a 2022 F250 6.7L on order and the rear axle is not the same as what comes standard on a F350. As Leo Lopez note above , the F250 comes standard with the Sterling 10.5 unless you add the HCTT package, which then upgrades the rear axle to what is found on the stock F350. I know that this is also true for the 2021 F250's too.
The 2000 lb difference for the fifth wheel is the added weight for the Diesel option.
Still love my 2008 F-350 Lariat power stroke diesel
Nice truck for sure.
No one cares.
Brad Pellerin obviously you do buddy😉😆🤣😂👍👍👍
Get rid of it ASAP before it blows up. 6.4L are huge POS's
Tim Carnes I traded it in towards a 2018 6.7 Turbo diesel F-350
Thank you for the video.
Very welcome! :)
@@TruckCamper You made some really good points which I had not considered. I appreciate you taking the time to explain!
Brake rotors and pads are much bigger for heavier loads and the frame has extra supports welded in certain areas to support extra weight
Brakes are the same between the SRW F250/F350 for current generation. Frame is the same. Older truck may have been different.... Thanks for sharing!
If you spec a 250 with a snow plow package or heavy camper package its basically a 350 and cheaper to insure, do it all the time.
That's what I don't get. Why not just make the F350 a dually? Components can be the same depending on configuration. Thanks for sharing!
Snow plow package only gives you a larger alternator, heavier spec front springs and cold weather package (engine block heater)
@@ryanwayne7135 Thanks for clarifying! Appreciate the contributions.
@@ryanwayne7135 mine came with all that and upgraded rear over load springs which visually is very different from a reg spec 250
@@panthermartin7784 then that may have come that way with anticipation of putting a sander/salter in the rear. There are a couple spec packages/options you can get.
Should call out payload capability per trim/cab/bed/engine level. They usually just advertise the MAX, but in general the MAX is when it is a gas engine, regular cab with an XL or XLT trim level. As you work up through trims for comforts / features it goes down. For example I looked at Crew Cab Long Bed Ford F350 diesel Lariat fully loaded and it has a ~3700lb payload. The same F250 is ~2500lbs
That is so true. It would be nice to have an online configuration tool that would show actual capacity as built. Think many people are confused... Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper Ford does have that. It's relatively new. Just put you VIN # in and it gives vehicle specific info. (www.fordfleetlive.com/3/VinCalculator)
Good info! Thanks for sharing. The issue is when you configure and build a truck... it doesn't show what the actual numbers will be.
@@paulrodrigues9603 Ram and Ford both offer what Max values for a trim would be which helps narrow the gap, but there is no clear way to see what the actual payload stamp will be on your door based on your choices. I did find out when talking to a sales guy at a dealership for Ford that based on a window sticker they can look up the exact payload stamp number. You just need to provide the window sticker. I have no interest in GMC/Chevy so not sure what their practice is.
@@babbledmuch When you are using an online build tool to see what the effect on total cost your trim and option choices have, the build tool should also recalculate the available payload every time you make a change so that you can make more informed decisions from a load perspective
This is a good video. I didn't hear you mention the brakes. F 350's have bigger brakes. I have an F 250. I'm really pushing the limits when i tow my 5th wheel toy hauler. That being said, I added air bags and a Wilwood big brake kit. I also hear the transmission cooler is bigger on the F 350. My floor gets very hot when i tow up big grades. I straight piped and did a def delete. I have a soft ride 6-inch suspension lift 37x12 inch Toyos on 22 inch forgis and an air intake system. Im very happy with the truck.
Thanks! This video is specially for the 2017+ Super Duty trucks... and these do share the same brakes with the exception of the dually which has a different rear axle. Mostly the difference is for regulation as you can option the F250 with the same physical components. Thanks for sharing!
Just speaking for myself, but before needing a pickup for towing I used to be in the 3/4-ton camp because they tow almost as much as 1-ton SRWs and have most if not all the same chassis/trans/engine features. But then I actually needed something to tow heavy and the 3/4-tons just do not have the payload overhead after options are added, so now I'm a believer in 1-ton SRWs. They're the best option (again, IMO) if you need more than a 1/2-ton's capability but don't need a dually. The added weight of the 1-ton SRW over the 3/4-ton is also a good thing when pulling n RV-type trailer. And parking a 1-ton SRW - even a crew cab short bed like mine - is PLENTY hard to do well even with around-view cameras and bumper sensors.
Thanks for sharing your experience. You can get the exact same suspension on the F250 with camper package as the F350. Essentially, the truck components can be the same. In many cases the more basic F250 will have higher payload than loaded F350.
Realistically, I think the SRW F350 should be dropped. There's no need for a separate model with the same components. It seems to mostly be related to the GVWR sticker which certain states deem over 10k to be commercial. Rather interesting how much the truck are the same.
It's all in the leaf springs folks, that easy.
Mostly true.
Also the mounting of the bed to the frame
@@donmcmannamy3409 How is it different?
@@TruckCamper depending on the year the number of mounting points and or the grade of the nuts and bolts that are used
@@donmcmannamy3409 We are only focusing on the 2017+. So would need to verify for current generation trucks... sounds interesting
In California, where all trucks have commercial plates, the 350 will cost you more to register because it is a heavier vehicle.
That makes sense. Good to get costs before choosing. Thanks for sharing
Similar in NH for the state portion of the registration. Town portion varies. My town does it based on base MSRP depreciated by year. Long story short if I have a new vehicle I have 13 car payments a year, not 12.
I'm trying to find out how much more
Nice job. Never even gave axles a thought! What is the heighth of each one? I have a 82" garage opeining and am wondering if either will fit? If neither will, I will go with a 1 ton just so I can go with a little heavier camper.
Thanks for sharing! Thankfully... the dimension specs are available on the Ford website. You can compare the F250/F350 there. They should be within 1" of each other. It will depend on model as the tire diameter can change making the truck slightly different. No real disadvantage for F350 just check insurance rates as some locations it costs more!
I don't know about the new ones, but in my 2006 the 250 and 350 both had the Sterling 10.5 in fleetside but the dually got the dana 80. I wanted to watch this because I have a 2096 f250 and a friend had a 2005 f350 fleetside. We parked them side by side and the only difference we could find was the rear spring pack and sticker
It is surprising isn't it?? Really think the F350 should only be a dually. But rather interesting to investigate actual differences in components. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper I totally agree with you. There is no point in the fleetside(single rear wheel) f350, but yes investigating it is interesting
Thanks for video.....I have to ask, how tall is your garage door, to get that slide in camper under...?
Our door is 14ft. Camper is about 10.5ft.
Thanks!
Could fit a semi tractor in there! Nice.
Actually, the 6.7l diesel f250 comes standard with the STERLING AXLE! that has the 10k gvwr! If u get the heavy duty tow option u get the dana axle! Which has 10800 gvwr! Which is the f350 axle and springs. So the f250 can be optioned with a 350 axle and springs.
The tires become the limitation at that point. The 250 has 65psi. F350 comes with same tire but 80psi. Hence f250 with 10800 gvwr vs f350 11400. All with the same axle and springs!
This is why u see 90% f250 sold. This trick keeps the insurance down for owner.
Good info. Thanks for sharing!
@@charlesgoehring3445 nothing to do with damage potential. Its all about responsibility! If u r over loaded vs truck specs they can denie your claim.
Can you get E rated tires? They are designed for towing and mine run 80 psi... I even put e rated tires on mini van I tow a cargo trailer - 50psi vs. 35psi regular tire pressure.
Awesome information. I have a 2018 F250 6.2L STX. I want to do the F350 Leaf suspension upgrade. Do you have another video of your upgrade?
Nice! Yep... we have videos on all the truck modifications: th-cam.com/video/QpX32io_h6Y/w-d-xo.html
I swapped a 2012 6.2 Gas for a 2013 6.7 Diesel both red they so much alike you couldn't tell them apart (have pictures of them side by side) even swapped the tires because I just put brand new tire on 2012 and wanted to keep them. I now enjoy pulling my 10000 lbs fifth wheel to Alabama
That's awesome! Hard to beat the massive torque of the diesel. Would you consider the 7.3L gasser?
I ordered a 2020 F-250 7.3 gas 4.30 gears. Then decided I needed more payload just in case I get a heavier RV so I order a F-350 identical to the F-250. When they came in the 250 had 2935 lbs. of payload the 350 has 4364 1429 lbs difference not bad.
Wow! That's a huge jump in payload. It's nice to have the higher weight sticker... although crazy the only difference to carry the load is the leaf springs. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
It's more than just the springs. The axles and bearings are heavier in the F350 than the F250.
@@atvtinker01 Front axle is exactly the same. Rear is the same unless you get the 6.2L which has the "smaller" Sterling 10.5. The Sterling axle is far from weak the manufacturer Visteon rates it to carry a max load of 9,750 lbs. Way over any weight rating limits that Ford gives. There just isn't much different between the two models anymore. Both have massive capacities...
@@atvtinker01 😂😂😂 you for real dude??
@@ozzy1398 Dude pull the hub caps off both and tell me you don't see a difference. Dana 60s on the F350.
Maybe you have a different video about this, but I was wondering: You said you have the 6.2 so that is the Gas v8 right? Can you tell me why you chose that over Diesel? I want to buy a truck and camper, but also have a trailer with 2 snowmobiles, so I am thinking I might need the 6.7. Thanks for the informative yet funny videos.
Yes. 6.2L gasser. Love it. Plenty of power we frequently tow our 14ft enclosed trailer for house projects with the camper. Easily handles the load. Biggest advantages: less initial cost, less weight (800lbs), less ownership cost, less maintenance. And it's a decade old motor that is extremely proven and reliable. Unless towing over 20k lbs... gasser is a great option. 7.3L has potential to be excellent... but not proven yet. I'd buy after another 5-10 years. I like old reliable, boring things that work. Hope that helps! Thanks for sharing.
@@TruckCamper Ok! This is really helpful and opens up some of options for me. My trailer fully loaded would never exceed 4000 lbs, so it just might work fine with a gas 250. I also live in Winter Park, Colorado and mornings are often -10f, so starting the diesel in the cold is a concern. I could take the 8-12$ saved annd put it towards suspension upgrades or the camper. Thanks for the tip.
@@shottyotter Awesome! Let me know how it turns out. :)
@@shottyotter my Honda odyssey mini van touring model has a tow rating of 3500 pounds. I tow a loaded 5x8 cargo trailer with it no problem. 140,000+ miles on van. I think some dodge Durango have some decent tow specs, but I don't know if pu trucks have a wider wheelbase/stance for more stability? I just bought a 15 6.7L f350 2wd reg cab diesel. Plan to tow across country.
@@TruckCamper same here. Many service body trucks with the 6.2l north of 300,000 still on the road with the 6.2L. Reliability & service cost win the day in my book.
Well said 👍🏼
Much appreciated!
Good info, thanks.
You bet!! Stay tuned. More to come!
Hell no, the dmv tried to pull that one on me saying my truck was 10,500 so I had to prove to them through copious amounts of paper work it was actually 9,500 The difference in price was $800 vs $240, just to put plates on the dam thing. Never again will I buy a 1 ton lol.
That makes good sense! I'd feel the same way in your position.
Also depends on how you roll down the street with your configuration. With two people and a tank of fuel in my 250SD, I could haul about 2k in the bed but you want to scale the truck to verify loading before long travels. I have hauled a payload of 1400 lbs and the load on the front axle feels light so I don’t think I’d like to go much beyond that. They are engineered with specific capacities for a reason and if you are negligent in your loading and kill someone, you’ll definitely be hit with the full extent of the law. Always go to the scales to check your load or you can wait for unmarked DOT to pull you over and do a shoulder inspection with portable scales and go to jail.
That's a good point. How you load is nearly as important as the amount. 2k lbs hanging off the rear bumper may lift the front off the ground. Balanced load is important. An easy way to visually inspect is tire deflection and suspension height (front/back and side/side). Thanks for sharing!
Now you should compare the ‘22 Tremor 6.7 250 and 350. They are 100% identical except for the sticker and the badge.
Good idea... But finding inventory is the difficulty. Just locating one is a challenge. Will see! :)
So you’re telling me that there’s really no difference between the two? Basically I can purchase the f250 for a cheaper price and save me a new type of registration hassle. Next, I could just make the f250 into a f350 by lifting up the spring HD and leaves on the back. Wow. I guess I’ll do that instead.
There you go. Component wise you can get the same parts on the F250. You can option the F350 to have a higher GVWR. That is a consideration depending on load haul requirements.
Difference is leaf pack, payload sticker, badges... That's it.
The F250 only exists for the GVRW under 10k. It comes down to insurance and registration fees. F250 could do the same stuff in reality if it had the extra leaf. But legally it can't.
Nice summary
@Sam Macaw Good thing to check. Some states do consider over 10k GVWR commercial. Thanks for sharing!
@Sam Macaw In NY if its a SRW f350 they cover it. Just had my 17 F350 towed last week for a failed fuel pump.....
@Sam Macaw Single rear wheel. Not a dually
I went to get my F-250 inspected here in Mass and the mechanic had to look at the sticker first - he said they were only approved for vehicles 10k GVWR and under. So it effects where you can get it repaired as well...
the only difference between a 17+ f250 and f350 with the same drivetrain and options is the rear leaf spring packs, the gvwr, and the badges. That is it! In states where they crack down on over 10k gvw's requiring commercial plates, dot #'s, etc. the f250 is a way for people to get around the bullshit as it has a 10k gvw, otherwise I'd always just get the F350. I live in MA and didn't want to deal with falling under DOT inspections and crap so I got an F250 so I could keep regular passenger plates on it. The 6.2L and 6R100 has been very good for everything I've done with it. In MA now, if your over 10k, you have to have commercial plates with higher yearly fees, fall under expensive DOT inspections, commercial insurance, DOT numbers, and you have to be able to have a DOT medical card. Even though I have no medical issues, It's an insane hassle and too much $$ maintaining all of that unless you really need it. The true capabilities of an F250/F350 can be really close with the right options and a few mods.
Well stated... but you can get the same springs as the F350 with the camper package on the F250. Mostly just a governmental difference than component difference. Thanks for sharing!
I bought a 2020 F350 SRW short bed Supercab 4WD. In a 6.75 foot bet pickup, you can spec 11,400# GVWR with the diesel engine in a F 350, but limited to 9990# in a F250 or F350 gasser. With the Camper Package, GVWR increases to 11,500#. I have a truck camper and the additional payload was worth the price difference. With an 8 foot bed, you can get up to 11,500# GVWR with any engine, but I did not want the 8 foot bed.
Good info! Thanks for sharing!!
My 2020 F250 Supercab 148" wb 6.75 bed with max tow has 10800 GVWR.
Thank you
Welcome! Appreciate it. :)
I own the F350 Diesel. I was told by my dealer (a very old and knowledgeable owner) that Ford was really only building a 1 ton truck starting out, and that the only difference was that the F350 was the load handling leaf spring (the upside down one), and that the only reason that Ford kept the “¾ ton” option was that a significant amount of states charged a higher tax when one went from ¾ ton to 1 ton.
I think I remember hearing that some states require a different license to drive a 350 on the road as opposed to the 250s too.
@@Oakleyshooter that was mentioned in the video.
That does seem to be mostly accurate
That sticker will be pretty important to your insurance agent and public safety in the event you are in an accident towing a camper or anything that is over your weight specs.
Talk to your insurance company. Unless gross negligence it will never even come up. Our F250 has more than enough payload so non issue either way
Very Good!!!
Appreciate it!!
Air bags won’t change your payload capacity and adding F350 leaf springs won’t either. It is what’s on the door sticker. If you get in an accident and your payload exceeds the # on the sticker, you will have legal exposure.
@@6582rg Why do you want to change your payload? Check out our next video for more info on the replacement springs... then it might make sense!
Just go with the f350 with the Godzilla 7.3
That's a solid option!!
"It's exactly THE SAME!" 😂😂
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Single rear wheel diesel not available in low gear ratio like gas , usually diesel has 355 gears . Gas can be purchased with 373, 410, 430 . Also f350 srw . can be ordered with 10k gvw or 11500 gvw . Which changes size of axles and springs.
Yep. Although either F250 or F350 SRW can have the exact same parts depending on options. The real difference like you pointed out is the ability to get the higher GVWR sticker on the F350. Rather interesting
Good info! I've tried comparing brake components for the single rear wheels & 2wd. Both were the same part numbers.
Besides leaf pack, do they use heavier duty tires? To carry more weight with srw 2wd 350 the tires need to match the load versus lighter duty srw 2wd 250. My 2011 has LT275/65 so I had them replaced with LT275/70 and added air bags to stabilize the load appearance. It wasn't really squatting much with the camper.
It's amazing how the trucks are essentially the same. Leaf packs can be the same as well with Camper Package. There are many tire/wheel packages. But essentially you can end up with the same physical components with either truck assuming you research it a bit...
Some of our dealers dont even bring in the F250, the F350 is so close in price they just order F350’s.
Makes sense for parts if the country!
In Minnesota the f350 costs $120.00 a year for tabs..the 250 is 4 times that when new..
That's crazy! Guess makes the choice easy..
Yep. In 2 years, the f350 pretty much pays the difference in cost. (In minnesota)
Dana M275 on the F350 and Sterling 10.5 are the main and most obvious but the 275 can be optioned on a 250 especially in the Tremor
True. And the Dana M275 is new for 2020. Previous years used the Sterling 10.5. Sterling is a stout axle. The manufacturer rates it to carry up to 9,600lbs. Either axle is significantly more than the payloads.
I have F350. It also has a different braking system vs f250. I bought my truck used and also noticed there are better deals on f350’s vs 250’s and you get the upgraded parts
Interesting. What year is your truck?
Since 2011 they are the same unless you go F350 dually... SRW are the same rotors and pads...I've had a 13-250, 17-250 & now a 20 F350 all SRW
@@mikeharris5646 Appreciate you sharing!
Brakes are same f 250 , f 350. F350 dually would be different
F 350 has hydro boost brake system. F 250 does not...
How is it you never new this????
Always learning new things! Keep life interesting...
New this or knew this? How did you never knew the difference in the 2 words but no so much about trucks?
@@chadfuqua9776 I’m sure spell check has never got it wrong for you.
Good try but we ain't buying it
@@chadfuqua9776 I’m not selling, there is definitely a word for your type
3/4 ton vs 1 ton.. payload
Not always... depends on configuration. Some F250 have greater payload than F350. F250 won't exceed 10k GVWR while F350 can... interesting stuff!
My f350 has a 8000# box payload and almost 30000# towing in fifth wheel configuration.
Depends on the brand and the years also. Dodge axles in their 3/4 tons used to be the same size as Ford’s 350,
Check the Frame, brake booster brakes, axles etc. and of course the payload, Never seen a 3/4 ton carry 4K lbs and drive up San Francisco streets,
@@donoberlohTrue. Really need to research each brand and year to know specifics...
3/4 vs 1 ton payload, righhttt , its not that simple
Rear leaf springs on a 350. Greater payload. Axel on some 350s are larger for a greater towing capacity
Can get the same leaf springs on the F250 with camper package.... but F350 can be optioned for higher GVWR but not always. Thanks for sharing!
Needed the two and payload capacity for a 13k fifth wheel and gooseneck stock trailers. However in our state a new 250 will cost you +/- $700 a year for plates, the 350 is $120 and insurance is the same. 350 was a no brainer!
Makes good sense!!
Good info....what State is this ?
@@carlredmond3642 Minnesota
I don't think you realize you are still under the same DOT law if you get pulled over and your over your stickers payload rating you get a massive fine. other then the you can get away with a f250 with only the a truck camper may be a small trailer. but you need a f350 if you have a camper over 3300 pounds or you will be over watght
That's true. But DOT would have their hands full trying to fine all overweight vehicles. A large number are past GVWR especially SUVs, Jeeps, Small trucks, overland vehicles...
Get in an accident overloaded and the cops will have plenty of time. Injure someone and their insurance co. will too.
@@georgemurphy2922 Always a risk. So is lifted suspension and oversized tires. Good stuff to consider! Thanks for sharing!
@@georgemurphy2922 Reality is they don't typically pick up all the pieces off the road and weigh them...not really an issue. Also, non-commercial use, you generally don't go thru weigh stations or otherwise get policed for weight. So unless it's grossly over to the point that something is obviously, wrong, there is no real risk of legal action.
@@travelintammy6073 I’m not saying it can’t be done safely. Legally is a whole different story. Not that hard to guess which rigs are over weight. Many 3/4T 5ers probably are. Especially diesel owners. The weight of the diesel engine kills the cargo capacity. My truck is in my company. I don’t want the liability personally, or in the company. As OP says, VERY little difference between 250/350 sw truck. Less than $1,000, and that stupid sticker makes me legal, while a more capable 250 (+good air bags) is overloaded w/same load. It is frustrating to have a 250 that is WAAAAY more capable than a older 350 that would be “legal”. User can’t increase the rated capacity by adding overload springs, bags, or better tires. Just remember, insurance company’s don’t want to pay claims, and I see lots of ambulance chasing personal injury billboards. No shortage of folks willing to sue, and if anyone is injured a jury or judge will have a hard time acquitting the owner of an overloaded rig. If your buying a truck, why not get the right tool for the job?
He had a bunch of second reasons when choosing the f 250
Yeah. We ordered it custom. Debated the F350. F250 components work for our purposes. Crazy how similar they are. Wish Ford would list all the component differences. Wierd people like me appreciate knowing the axle, tcase, transmission models. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper When selecting a work vehicle for me or work, I am more under the vehicle than looking at the aesthetics, if I am selecting a used vehicle, I must know axle ratios and model numbers, what kind of transfer case linkage it has, transfer case model, gear ratios it has, what model, and gear ratios the transmission has. What kind of suspension the vehicle has and so forth. I am looked at like I am an alien when I am under the vehicle immediately and ignore the outside when I am selecting a used work vehicle.
@@indridcold8433 Wish more people bought new vehicles this way... we would have detailed specs and likely better products on the market.
Just fyi 17-19 you only get the Dana on the f250 if you have the heavy tow package that includes a extra spring otherwise you get the 10.5 even on the diesel
True! And the Sterling 10.5" has been used in all the pre-2017 trucks and is a stout axle. Really not something to complain about. I looked up the axle load rating and it was 9,500lbs. Not shabby! Dana should be a great axle too. Thanks for sharing
Just subscribed and I'll be interested in seeing what you do with the suspension on your truck...although it already looks like you've done some work with it. I just bought an F-350 Lariat, single wheel, 7.3 with the Camper Package...that package adds a rear sway bar along with upgraded springs. I'll be mounting a Hallmark Flatbed camper on the back...the camper will weight around 2600lbs dry. I'm confident that I will not have to upgrade any suspension components on my truck to accommodate the weight...no air bags, Torklift, helper springs, timbres, shocks, blocks and whatever else. My truck is the 11,500 GVWR and the door sticker says my payload max is 4,460lbs. That, my friend...is the biggest difference between the 250 and the 350...the 3/4 ton can't get anywhere near that payload even with the camper package.
However, I'm certainly interested in upgrading the suspension for a smoother and more functional off road ride. Are you familiar with Carli products? You should look at their videos of what can be done to make these trucks ride and perform so much nicer than stock. They have a video of two identical Super Duty's except one has stock suspension and the other is done up with the Carli products...my god, what a difference! They run them on off road tracks and I wouldn't even think twice about spending the money for what the Carli does...but unfortunately, they won't play nice with a heavy payload...for the most part, you can only haul 2K max for what they have to perform...although they suggested getting a custom Deaver spring pack made might allow for the upgraded shocks they sell.
That camper you're going to mount is likely going to be rather heavy as well...I would like to know how you're going to make your suspension choices and also how well it works with the weight. Of course we're not going to be jumping our campers "Raptor style" but I can see where you're going with this and I'd like to know what you end up doing. Gotta do it right, y'know?
EDIT: Nevermind...just looked around your videos and it appears you're all over it. If my truck doesn't do well enough for me off road then it's Deaver time for me as well.
Thanks for subscribing!
That is a sweet truck setup for sure. The 7.3L could be a fantastic motor - love the design concept behind it. Flatbed camper will be awesome! Weight does add up quickly!
Sticker really wasn't going to help our application and uses. The factory springs are terrible. I'll be curious how you like the factory setup off road. Component wise other than suspension the F250/F350 are the same (for load carrying ability). Our replacement suspension completely changes the truck (amazing).
Our suspension takes some of the best Carli components with Fox 2.5" Resi shocks tuned by Accutune with custom Deaver Leaf Springs. Really the best of all worlds for ability to carry weight and have performance on/off road. It drives like no other camper hauler! And yes, we can catch air (small) with it and land smoothly.
Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper My flatbed will be installed at the end of February...I'll come back with my impressions of the stock suspension performance off road. If it's lacking, then I'll likely follow your footsteps. Glad I found your channel...it isn't easy finding real world info on upgrading the ride with these big campers. Most people are just throwing airbags on them.
Sounds like buyers remorse to me. The only F 250' s that my dealer will bring in are special order for customers or fleet stock. Go big, or go home!
It seems to vary by area what dealers sell more... no remorse yet! Stay tuned on updates!!
350-250=100
So true! But is bigger number better?
Helpful yes
Glad to hear. Thanks for sharing!
You are absolutely correct. This said, where issues can come into play would be if you were required to scale. The other issue could be if an accident were to happen (hopefully never) and the attorneys were to find you were "overweight" on payload, that could be very problematic. The F350 with an 11,500 GVWR offers much more in the form of available factory payload on the door sticker. The 250 sounds perfect for you but the 350 for not much more money provides a much greater payload capacity on the factory sticker which could be very important. If you live in a state where it does not cost any difference to register a 250 or 350 why not pay a small amount more for the 350 and have the added payload if you ever needed it or for resale to someone who might??
True. But the biggest myth I wanted to dispute was the "public impression" that the F350 is more HD than the F250. From a part/components perspective you are getting the same thing. Different sticker may be worth the upgrade. Just saying... know what and you are buying.
It is a complete myth that a wreck would be weighed. This just doesn't happen (my wife was an insurance supervisor). You might get flagged by the law enforcement but only if the truck "appears unsafe". Realistically, any truck improperly loaded or improperly driven is a safety risk regardless of model or ratings. Thanks for sharing!
So basically just add an extra leaf spring to your f250 and you now have an f350.
From a functional standpoint yes. But sticker payload number is the same...