You can find other videos about our F350 experience in our playlist about this truck: th-cam.com/play/PLJy7cj0ut2cAX9GxlZywZ8KrL0oeMkGFj.html Thanks for watching!
I hadn't thought of that, but you're right! Here's to hoping that I'm 1/1000th as successful making videos as George Lucas some day. :) Thanks for watching!
Loved the crazy twist at the beginning when you think you're looking at the sidewall of one of the truck's four wheels, then you find out it's the undercarriage spare! Really nice shot. 👍
Glad to hear someone else wave off of 250s/2500s for the 1-ton version. I’ve talked to quite a few folks who were disappointed w/ their 3/4-ton trucks. I’ve never heard a regret for buying the 1-ton version (kinda like a tractor w/ a cab - no one has expressed regret). Towing? You’ll likely not find any trailers or RVs that a 1-ton won’t pull. It’s almost impossible to overload the bed. IMHO, once you move up from a 1/2-ton truck, skip the intermediate step & just get a 1-ton. Yes, they’re a few thousand more, but this extra $ is soon forgotten with the substantial extra capacity and capability.
At 9:27, something SUPER important to note is, in the towing guides, it says "when properly equipped". This means BASE MODEL with any mentioned towing/payload packages. You almost always run out of payload before towing capacity. If your truck is rated for 14K according to the towing guide, that means that a base model [your truck model] can tow it, not a Limited, or Platinum or whatever. So while half ton towable fifth wheels tend to truly be "half ton towable", it's by the stripped down models, not the XLTs or Lariats people buy, that have half the payload of a base model with no options. It even says in the guide, in big red letters: "Towing capability will be reduced based on trim series, option content and payload." Buuuuuuut people don't read. Lol
I just made a 185 mile round trip to a wedding last weekend....took my 99 F250 with the V10, 4 speed automatic, and 3.73 axle ratio truck up there up into the mountains...truck did great, and ended up with around 17.3mpg...that was using the cruise control, and had the AC on, temps in the low to mid 80's. With 4.30 axle ratio I would probably got closer to 15mpg. If I were towing at the max the 4.30 axle would be wise, but for the 5-8k that I tow occasionally the 3.73's are fine. When I got home and did the math and got 17.3mpg I was pretty shocked honestly since that V10 is usually known for pretty dismal fuel economy LOL.
@@PurpleCollarLife I had been looking for quite a while, but was looking more at the 1/2 ton stuff...ran across the ad for the F250 and thought, well you now, that might be a better option if I ever decide to get a dump trailer I'd definitely want the bigger truck. So, I jumped on that deal and haven't had any regrets. I did haul a couple loads of sand with it using a 7x14 dump trailer...truck pulled it great, wouldn't want anything any smaller for that kind of weight....crossed the scales with the truck, trailer, and load of sand at 23,794 pounds. So almost 14k of that was the weight of the sand. For what I'm doing I don't need a brand new fancy truck, nor did I care to have truck payments LOL. Just about drained my savings account, but I've got the proper truck for my towing needs and anything else in the future.
@@jackadamz3 Figured manually, truck doesn't have a fuel economy display LOL. Got that mileage twice, about 3 weeks apart. I don't drive like an idiot and used the cruise control the whole way...yes they get better fuel economy than people think...especially with the numerically smaller gear ratios...I have the 3.73's rather than 4.30's...the 4.30's will give you the 12-15mpgs that everyone claims.
Very nice looking truck. I have 16 f250 6.7 and before I purchased it, I test drove the same package but in a 350. The ride on the 350 was more stiff and felt more bumps. Just personal preference. Good luck with your truck, hope you get that 10 speed issue worked out.
Just picked up new 250 and it has the same springs as my 2021 F350. I got the high capacity axle package. See ford drastically raised the payloads since 2021.
I'm sure it's state dependant but in Mn tags on a F250 will be about 4-500 bucks. My f350 under 150. Because the F350 is the lightest of the truck series. Y PLATE. the F250 is classified as a personal vehicle and the tag goes off of price
I have a 19 250, but I have no intention of ever getting a 5th wheel or gooseneck, so this suits my needs. I agree if you think you'll be heading that direction then the 350 or 450 are the way to go.
Your information is correct. But for people looking at slightly older alumidutys the f350 get the much stronger 6 speed trans than the f250. 6r100 vs 6r140.
Partly because of your videos I ordered my 2022 F350 7.3gas XLT long bed. Now has 44,000 miles. My main likes? 4069# Payload. She’s a beast! Engine is unreal on V8 power. No it’s never going to beat a diesel. But my use doesn’t require diesel. I love the growl of standard exhaust. So fun to listen to. Easy to maintain. Easy to crawl under it. All components are BIG and BEEFY. No question the frame can go a million miles if I do my part and don’t beat it up. I regularly haul a 17’ Boston Whaler Outrage. That’s a heavy small boat. My truck doesn’t even know it is there. So easy to pull. I’m not an idiot though like these diesel boys who ram down the highway at 80 pulling a massive fifth wheel. So dangerous! I can do 80 with my boat but no way will I. Can’t live without the tailgate step. My gosh that’s a lifesaver. 8’ bed. When I see 5.5’ F-150 beds now I cringe. I can throw twice as much sh_t in my truck. I took a dump run for my daughter when she was moving and she thought it would take 2 loads. Haha. I made it work with one load. It was a big volume and not too heavy. I once loaded 8 boxes in there that each weighed about 200 pounds. So about 1600. That was the first time my F-350 suspension didn’t jar me around. Haha. PS - you can put two full size Harleys in my truck. Easy. Just go slow and maneuver it right. Weight of bikes is immaterial to the truck. It absorbs it. Most I have hauled is 14k on a 2-5/16” receiver hitch. I felt that load. I know a diesel would have been better. But I also know I could easily drive across the country with that load. Fuel economy was probably 9mpg. I typically get 14.7 around town unloaded. But I don’t baby the gas pedal. Again I love to hear that engine. Electric folding mirrors. So glad I got them. People often ask about parking the truck. To me the mirrors are good for backing and once I’m in place I fold mirrors and I’m good. No more manual fold. Speaking of parking. So many people think that parking an 8’ crew cab is hard. No. It is not. I admit there was a learning curve since my last truck was a short bed F-150 crew. I learned to pull farther ahead and to keep my eye on the turning / backing point relative to the rear bumper corner. I have it down to a science now! My wife has grown more and more impressed at how I can slip that beast into a slot. As to parking in general - I never park close to other vehicles if I can avoid it. I like my truck too much. So if I have to walk a couple hundred yards I’m totally cool with that. I found that I had to fabricate and weld a 30” extension tongue onto my boat trailer as the standard tongue length made that thing jacknife too fast. I know how to back a trailer with the best of them but that configuration of short trailer wheelbase and long truck wheelbase was bad. The 30” extension made a WORLD of difference to me. Now I don’t look like a jack azz at the boat launch! I love how EASY it is to change oil in this truck. First of all you don’t have to Jack the truck up. The oil pan bolt and filter are side by side. So damn easy. The oil pan bolt is horizontal in the pan and when you remove it oil shoots a country mile and I’ve made some oily messes. To stop that I have ordered a Fumoto 90-deg valve that has a simple valve handle that you just open. Wow. Great upgrade. Can’t wait to install it. Things I don’t like Headlights on XLT are NOT bright enough. I have ordered LEDs and that will dramatically improve it. I don’t like the overall height of the bed. Ridiculous. Ford should offer a bed with fold down sides like a farm truck. If I ever get inclined I might just fabricate my own bed. I hate how tall this truck is. Dumb. It’s a work truck. It’s too hard to climb in and out of. And no way I can reach inside to grab stuff like in a Tacoma. Anyway. I love my truck. I plan to keep it and run it into the ground. I change oil every 4,000 miles. I don’t care what the book says. I don’t care what the Oil Life Meter says. Oil is cheap insurance. At 50,000 I’m gonna suck out some tranny fluid and replace it. Do that a couple times in succession at oil change time. I would buy my truck AS IS if I won lotto. All I need and want. I’m proud to own it. It is standard white color and my boys call it The Beluga Whale.
as a truck driver for 22 years i can honestly say, you do not want to tow a heavy load with a light truck.i've seen MANY of pickups pulling big (2 & 3 axle) campers & boats crash deep into the trees about half to 3/4 of the way down mountains.after a certain point, your merely a unwilling passenger of your fate.you do NOT want to be thrust into trees from behind.its a lose/lose situation for everybody.
Thanks for the video. I just got a new to me 22 F350 Lariat, it has the snow plow camper 5th wheel package. SRW 7.3 SB gas my cargo capacity is 3876. I'm surprised you get 100 more lbs with the 8" bed.
I was amazed to see an F350 that wasn't a dually. The vast majority of F350's I've seen were dual rear wheel. Maybe it's a regional thing??? Not sure, but that is for sure a beautiful truck, Chad! 👍 Thanks for sharing! 😎
Thanks! Around here I would estimate that 75% of 1-ton trucks are dual rear wheel (because you get significantly higher towing capacity if you match that the the diesel engine). But a dually won't fit through our garage door, and would make parking even more difficult than this school bus already is to park. :) Thanks for watching!
In Maine, most F350's are single rear wheel. Single wheel trucks get better traction in slush or snow. The F350's can handle the weight of a heavy snowplow on the front. The spring packages are confusing. My 2019 F250 extended cab, 8' bed with the factory camper package has heavier 5600# springs in the front, overload springs in the rear, and a rear anti-sway bar. A person does have to look at each truck individually. There's a wide range of capacities.
Great video the truck I have is my first heavy duty truck 21 7.3 4.30 f250. I wish I went in with more knowledge. That being said I'm good with what I have. It is my daily driver I gave up my car and 02 1500 I bought it new for it. I'm retired so I only do 8k a year vacations bump that up wife still works. I have the 350 rear end comes with the tremor package. I only have 2834 payload so that's more than a half ton of difference. I do believe the differential is different as well upgraded over the f250.
Those Tremor F250 trucks look sharp! I think you're right that when you upgrade to the Tremor package, you get the bigger wheels and tires, differential, and that 4:30 axle ratio. Does it also add the helper leaf springs?
Yes it does. I knew the gas mileage wouldn't be good but I wanted the 4.30. My last truck maybe got a little better gas mileage but not much so I'm used to it.
Your 4:30 rear end in the F250 is the exact same rear end as an F350. The 4:30 gears where only installed in the Dana M275. The F350 has the M275 with 3:73's or 4:30's. The 3:55 gear in the F250 is the 10.5 inch Steerling and there is nothing wrong with that. It's a tried and true rear axle that's been used for a long time.
Cargo capacity is usually where you hit limitations. For me, that is the reason I went with a one ton. The price difference was about 900 bucks and the ride is fine.
@@PurpleCollarLifeif it’s a ‘20 to ‘22 F250 then he must have gotten 6.2L V8. That was the only engine you can get with a 3.73 F250 for those model years. The F250 7.3 gas V8 was either 3.55 or 4.30, the 6.7 diesel was either 3.31 or 3.55. For 2023, the 3.55 was dropped in favor of a 3.73 for the 7.3 F250.
I've had one F250, and now two F350s (one diesel, one gas), and I can see some advantages to each. But for our application, towing the heavy 5th wheel, we need that payload capacity that the F350 offers to tow legally. Thanks for the comment!
I've got a 2023 F250 Crew Cab 6.75 ft. bed with a 3818 lb. payload capacity and a 10500lb. GVW, 4.30 differentials, 7.3 Godzilla, 10 speed transmission, 11.6 inch Sterling rear end with E-locker, dual batteries and alternators. According to Ford towing guide and subtracting the maximum payload capacity, configuration will tow 15,500lb. We plan on getting a 5th wheel, but keeping the towing weight below 14,000lb.
I've had 6 Superdutys in the last 25 years, 2 F-250's and 4 F-350's, all were diesels so I've had each diesel version and my current F-350 is a Crew Cab, long bed, SRW 6.2 gas. They were all great trucks and towed boats , cars, and materials for my construction business. Mine were all 3:73 rears with an automatic. The reason I opted to go gas after 5 diesels was strictly economics, while the diesels did get 3-4 more mpg, I weighed paying $1.50 more per gallon typically vs miles and opted for my latest 6.2. I've hauled my Hot Rods cross country through mountains and deserts with no issues. I've always opted for the 350's because I order all my trucks, and the price difference was typically only $600-$800 on 250's vs 350's. Possibly my only thought on ordering a 250 next timme, is the much smoother ride.
And you can now get the 3.73 gears on the F250. And I hate the new tail lights on the 2024 models. Also, steps on the outside of the bed, and the bumper make it look like a Chevrolet.
Speaking from experience, it is a closer comparison of F150 to F250 or F350SRW than it is F350 SRW to F350 Dually. We pull a 40' 5th wheel and our SRW wasn't really comparable to our Dually when comparing payload, spring rate and the differential is much more robust. I went with a dually after fighting a side wind all day. We got into another side wind after we got the dually and I could barely tell the wind was blowing.
Thanks! I've never towed with a dually - so I can't speak from experience. But it seems like the dual rear wheel setup was made specifically for towing/heavy loads - so that makes sense. The bad part is - a dually wouldn't fit through my garage door. :) I have to fold the mirrors in on this one to fit into the garage.
I picked up a 99 F250 a few months ago for $4500, higher miles on it 185k, has the V10, 5th wheel prep package, tow package, but has the 3.73 axle ratio instead of the 4.30 axle ratio, but pulls my car trailer with my Kubota BX2680 and all my implements with ease....well worth stepping up to an HD truck.
You're right about that, Jon! They're few and far between. And if you think you'll find an older one that is in the shape of your F150, you'll be looking a long time! :)
@@PurpleCollarLife The guy I bought it from only used it once or twice a year to tow his camper, so it had been sitting quite a while, and he just wanted to get rid of it basically. The bed was covered in leaves, trash, etc. So when I got it home I took the leaf blower and a broom and started cleaning everything out of the bed, that's how I found out about the 5th wheel prep package as I ran into the rails in the bed with the broom LOL. I put new spark plugs and coils on it, runs and drives great, doesn't seem like it had almost 200k on it. Its the Lariat model, and the only negative is it has the electric shift transfer case, would have much preferred the old school manual shift transfer case. The mirrors are stuck in the extended position LOL, other than that everything on it works. For $4500 and for what I need it for, it'll do just fine. I have no plans to pull a 5th wheel or gooseneck trailer but I guess the rails are there if I ever decide to LOL.
Let me help you, since you obviously don't know the difference (and neither does almost anyone else so don't feel bad): The F-350 frame has a higher section modulus than the F-250. THAT'S IT. As you move up to the bigger trucks, F-450, F-550, etc, they also have a higher section modulus value. Section modulus, in layman's terms, is how strong the frame is - how it resists twisting, flexing, bending, etc. Between F-250 and F-350, this is done by simply making the frame from thicker steel. On the larger trucks, you see not only thicker steel, but larger frame cross sections. This has been true of all Ford (and other) trucks pretty much forever.
I read this once long ago - probably the late 90s, about the F250 and F350 difference. I hope it's true. But I can't find a single piece of evidence from Ford that it is.
I just traded in my 2016 FordF250lariat crew cab 4wd for a new Ford F350 4wd lariat crew cab the FX4 package both trucks have 20 inch rims the F350 4wd is a few inches taller I found this out today when I tried to hook my little trailer to load my riding mower I used a 8 inch drop for the F250 the safety chains and the trailer plugged in my F350 I couldn't hook either one so I guess I disagree with the F350 being lower
I have the 250 and I have to tippy toe to reach the hood latch to pull the hood shut. I am 6 foot tall. lol A few questions as always. 1 - Do you have a rear stabilizer/sway bar? 2 - Do you have the front wheel stabilizer shock or shocks? 3 - I live in PA and yearly registration costs a small fortune. They say you can get a 350 reduced to a 250 cost if it is not a dually? How much is yearly registration for the 350? 4 - What type of electric brake controller do you use for hauling your camper? 5 - Have you considered getting your truck undercoated due to the wonderful brine they spray on the roads during the winter?
That hood feels like it is 9 feet in the air when it's open! :) We do have the rear stabilizer/sway bar. Our truck has the camper package - and that is part of that package. 2. We do have the front wheel steering stabilizer shock. I actually like the placement of this steering stabilizer on the 2020 better than the one on our old 2005. 3. Registration is crazy. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's over $300 each year. I think I have our truck registered as the old Class 4 (back when they used to stick those extra stickers on your window beside the inspection sticker). I needed that class level because of the tongue weight of the 5th wheel on the truck when we're camping. 4. We use the built-in Ford electric brake controller. It works great! But I do have to adjust it between trailers. The 5th wheel runs at a gain of 8.0. The other trailers I tow are usually at 5.5 or 5. We get all the vehicles undercoated every year. Now, with the 2020 truck, since the body is aluminum - we just get the frame and chasis components sprayed. I don't have them put the coating inside the doors and tailgate, rockers, etc. But I've been wondering if that actually should still be done.
@@melrobinson6919 Wow! That is crazy, in Texas it only costs $75 annually to register my F250. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember. Any vehicle considered as a 1-ton or under pays the same rate. Not sure what it costs to register something like an F-450 and up though.
I bought a F350 4wd srw lariat sport with FX4 package crew cab I traded in my 2016 FordF250lariat powerstroke ultimate crew cab I didn't plan on buying a F350 4wd but they had on on the lot it's a nice truck it doesn't ride as good as the F250 however it gets better mileage and it doesn't weigh as much as the 2016
My F-250 is only different from a F-350 is the fender badge and the door sticker, everything else from springs to the axles is identical. (Super Duty Tremor).
F250/350 XL-Limited F250 Tremor is a F350 You can get an auto slide 5th wheel You can get a bigger fuel tank from S&B My F250 Tremor has 3.55 but it’s a 6.7 with the upgrade ultimate towing package The heights are the same in the lower packages.
The biggest thing here in Washington state is license tabs. The F350 is 100 bucks a year and the F250 is in the 500 to 1000 dollar range depending on the year.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Unfortunately for us -the F250 doesn't offer high enough payload capacity for us to legally tow our 5th wheel trailer.
2020 xlt cc F350 short bed 6.2/10 speed 3.73 gears 4239 payload. Tows 8.5k travel trailer no problem. 7.3 was too new for me at the time. 6.2 was proven already.
I have a 2020 4x2 F350 XLT Supercrew with 3.73 locking differential. Was going to get the F250, but the difference in payload and extra stuff was only $1200. Kind of a no brainer. Mine is the short bed, but the payload is 4350# and I tow my Keystone Cougar fifth wheel with no problems. I chose the B&W hitch because I have both fifth wheel and gooseneck trailers I tow. Thinking of swapping the king pin on the camper to a Reese Goosebox so I can get rid of the fifth wheel. It takes up too much bed space.🤦🏻♂️
One thing that is always overlooked is the max GCWR. GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT RATING. That’s the max the truck and trailer together can weigh. All manufactures have one but they just like to advertise the MAX number which is not safe at all! I caution everyone who’s towing near capacity of any truck be it a 1/2 ton or an f450. Find out what your GCWR is and weight your truck and trailer.
I'd give this two hearts if I could! You're spot on here. GCWR is very important and very overlooked. In fact, I think that in some states, if your GCWR when towing a load is over a certain number (maybe 26,000 lbs??) you actually need different license types or different registration or something. I remember seeing that on some forum somewhere about the new F350, F450, F550 trucks - to be cautious about total weight of rig.
@@charger7022 That's the driver's maximum GCWR, not the vehicle's maximum. You are correct that some PA drivers probably have a regular license and are towing about the amount that puts them into what should be a higher driver license class (CDL).
The weight rating on the door makes a tremendous difference is what someone can do in work related driving. This from FMCSA will muddy the water a little more regarding licenses, hours of service and whatnot regarding this. www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/hours-service-frequently-asked-questions-non-business-transportation
The only F250 I have to compare our last two F350s to is a 2000 F250 long bed, regular cab. I feel like it may have ridden a little more comfortably than the F350s we have had since then. But when the F350 has a load on (like our 5th wheel trailer), the ride is actually pretty smooth. That weight smooths things out. When the truck is empty though - it can be a rough ride and you feel plenty of imperfections in the road.
That’s good to hear! It wasn’t available in the years we were looking at (2020 and 2021). It’s nice to know they’ve upgraded the configurations to allow the additional axle ratio in the F250 size. But we still would have needed the F350 for the payload capacity to legally tow our 5th wheel.
I've had 2 350s and one 250 and just buying my second 250, a Tremor HO diesel, 4 reasons w/250 Tremor to skip the 350 #1 - same axles/suspension as the 350 #2 - $1700 cheaper. #3 - Some states charge you more for a ton truck vs. 3/4 #4 - If you don't get a Tremor, are you really going to do something with a 350, that the 250 can't do? Simple physics, if you put even a 12k or God forbid a 20k trailer behind a 250 or a 350 and that trailer has an issue and goes sideways off a cliff, into a lake, or into oncoming traffic, you and your truck are going with it, even if in a 450 or 650.
Thanks for the info. Our major advantage to the F350 is that it has the legal payload capacity to handle the hitch weight of our 5th wheel RV on the truck. With any F250, we would be illegally towing our trailer.
Have you heard anything about that new 6.8L Gasser for 2023? Think it’s only available for the XL trim. I’m going to build a 2024 F-350, but tough to decide on the 6.8 or big 7.3. I’ll only use the truck for plowing 10 miles of dirt roads, towing would be rare. Thanks great video.
I did some exploring on Ford's "Build and Price" pages. On there, it does seem that you can only get the 6.8L gas flex fuel engine with the XL trim. Other than the worries about cam/lifter failure, I really like the 7.3 Godzilla so far. It is plenty powerful and is a nice running engine when towing or empty.
I have a 2023 f250 with the 6.8 gas engine for a company work truck. I don’t tow but I do haul with it all the time. It is rated to haul about 3100 pounds which I get up to on a regular basis. Power wise it is sufficient and the power comes on smoothly with the 10 spd transmission. Fuel economy wise it is on par with the old 6.2 engine.
I have a 2018 F250 Lariat with 3.73 🤔. Did they remove that option on the 2020+? I know the 250 can be taller etc with Fx4 package. I thought only difference was the payload and towing mainly, rest were the same.
Hi… I just asked on your other video … about the axles… as I go on the Ford site… it looks like new 250s have the 373 option now… I lean that way… good middle of the road… however this will really only be used to tow a 7k trailer with 2K payload… We plan to travel a lot so it would be best to get the best mpg we can… but if always towing… would the 430 axle be better?
I'm very happy with the 3:73 ratio axle on our F350. The 10-speed transmission is nicely matched with that ratio for the mix of highway travel, and towing that we do. If you are always towing, and towing near the maximum limit - I'd recommend the 4:30 gears. But for our 12,500 lbs trailer, the 3:73 is excellent.
So if considering an F250. consider an F350 for reasons. Then if considering and F350, consider and F450 so you can get the wide-track front axle for a tighter turning radius. It never ends...
You're 100% right. I really considered the 450 because of that tighter turning radius. The turning radius on our F350 Crew Cab with long bed is unbelievable.
@@PurpleCollarLife I tell people it's like driving a train. Then my friend with the 45ft RV just laughs at me. (And he's right... I've driven a school bus.)
That's the only reason someone would need to get the F350 would be for higher payload and towing numbers, everything else is pretty much gonna be the same otherwise.
I've seen many 3/4 trucks towing that look like their 5th wheel or gooseneck would be more tongue weight than what the payload capacity of their truck actually is. I don't think some people realize what payload is. Thanks for watching!
For the most part if your hauling more weight then the 250 is rated for you should probably be in a dually. 2023 250 and 350 non duallys all have same parts except maybe springs and in some packages even the springs are the same.
Max payload depends on configuration and features ordered. I've seen some that are slightly less than ours, and some that are a bit more. I know I've seen a few that are over 4000 lbs the way they are configured. The less weight in the truck build components, the higher the payload is in most cases. The maximum trailer load is listed on that towing guide that I put a link to in the description. It varies based on axle ratio, engine, and whether it's bumper tow or 5th wheel/gooseneck. It also varies year to year.
Thanks for the comment. It is interesting how different terrain, elevation, driving styles, etc. can affect miles per gallon that people get in their trucks. Here's what I typically get on my long commute: th-cam.com/video/TMQ-QNrPDw4/w-d-xo.html
I've always felt like unloaded, the F250 has a better ride. But once they're loaded, I like the F350 because the helper springs don't let it sag so much.
Thanks for the info, I am just starting my research on trucks and 5th wheels. Just curious why you went with the gas vs diesel as I thought you would be better off with the diesel. Also, does a longbed have more load capacity then the 6 3/4 bed? Thanks for showing the sticker, that helped with my research.
There are a couple reasons we didn’t get the diesel this time. There’s actually a video on our channel about why we got rid of the diesel (problem after problem). But another reason is that the gas engine is lighter weight, which gives more payload capacity to the truck. The diesel version of our truck also was going to be over $10,000 more expensive. The long bed version doesn’t give more capacity as far as weight, but it gives us a larger fuel tank for greater range, and more space to haul stuff in the bed, and more distance between the 5th wheel trailer and the cab of the truck for those tight turns. We have a video about that too - where I show the truck turns about 90-degrees with the 5th wheel on it.
Never understood why anyone would go F250 over F350 srw. The F250 is nothing more than a derated F350. Yeah, TODAY you might not NEED the extra capacity that the F350 has, but what about a year from now when you decide to get a 5th wheel? I can't tell you how many people went 3/4 ton, then ended up being overloaded, which doesn't take much in a 3/4 ton. Just get the F350, it's the same truck, but with higher capacities.
Thanks for watching! I thought about the F350 dually when I was shopping - because of the even greater increase in towing capacity/payload. I even considered the F450 because of the capacity AND the tight turning radius. But when I considered everything, the SRW F350 just made the most sense for me.
If you really check the numbers, 1/2 ton trucks usually run out of payload before they hit that upper tow weight limit. Towing weight is how much weight your truck can move horizontally. Payload is vertical downward load on the truck. Too often people just see that maximum payload and don't read the fine print that says that is based on a 4x2, regular cab, 8' bed truck, in the most stripped down configuration available. I would guess that most 1/2 tons purchased as daily drivers, and not work trucks, have enough creature comforts added to them that payload is more likely to be between 1,200 - 1,600 Lbs.
I’m going to have to disagree on that one. The F250 and F350 have significantly different cargo capacity - which is what is needed to tow a 5th wheel or gooseneck like we do.
@@PurpleCollarLife Once you get beyond a certain wheelbase you get a two piece driveshaft and a carrier bearing near the center joint. The two piece actually solves a lot of issues and introduced almost no additional maintenance. It's actually two drive shafts connected by a universal joint.
You're right- the little Ranger could probably tow that camper - once! :) We might even get 500,000 views! :) Those videos on FB always crack me up. Little tiny trucks towing huge yachts or 5th wheels RVs.
F350's usually have slightly wider tires, bigger brakes, more spring leafs, more cooling capacity, and a bunch of tiny parts in and around the engine that are usually slightly more heavy duty. Mechanics know what parts.
250 vs 350 is not as important as gas vs diesel. While you are fighting with the cars to get your 5th wheel rig into a gas station, I blitz through a truck stop pulling my 5th wheel and have no drama, no maneuvering nightmares. You chose the wrong engine.
You're right - considering the engine is also very important. After 17 years of dealing with the issues of the PowerStroke engine letting us down, and costing us thousands of dollars while stranded on RV vacations, we opted for the gas engine this time. As far as 250 vs 350 - it is of extreme importance if you're worried about payload capacity of that 5th wheel on your truck. If we had purchased an F250, we would be over the payload capacity with our 5th wheel and if we were pulled over, subject to fines here in Pennsylvania.
i dont understand why people go out and buy a f350 just to get a gas engine, like why wouldn't u just get a diesel, or get a f150 if ur gonna get a gas
These are great questions. As far as why a F350 - because we need the payload capacity. As far as why the gas and not the diesel - because we have had our fair share of issues with a previous generation of the Powerstroke diesel engine. Here's the video we made about it. th-cam.com/video/b4oJeIHEgT0/w-d-xo.html
U can get 3.53 on a 250. Camping package give your the helper leaf. My F250 has 6-8 inches of clearance for my 5thwheel. U can also add GVWR in a 250 if you have the camping package. This is why I chose a 250 and put a couple bucks in my pocket. I enjoy your video's, but I disagree with you here. You also bought used, which limited your choices.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! I appreciate it. At the time we were shopping, the F250 wasn’t available with a 3:73 gear ratio (probably due to supply chain issues?). And you’re right, we did have limited choices since we were shopping used because I wanted that gold certified blue oval extended warranty that comes on those certified used trucks. I do notice that according to the Ford website - the maximum payload on a F250 (if configured 4x4 regular cab/long bed) is 4260 lbs, and maximum GVWR is 10,000 lbs. Payload goes down as features are added (crew cab, 4x4, packages, etc.). The F350 has a maximum payload of 4960 lbs as a 4x4, regular cab, long bed - but gets the higher 11,400 GVWR in the SRW configuration. I wanted to get that higher GVWR with the gas engine. I see the F250 can get over the 11,000 GVWR now (2024 model), but requires the 6.7 HO Diesel option.
The 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton terminology makes no sense anymore. The 1/2 ton can actually carry a 1 ton payload and the 1 ton can actually carry 3 tons of payload.
The modern classifications are class 1 to 8. Class 2 is split into 2A (1/2 ton - up to 8,500 lb GVWR) and 2B (3/4 ton - 8,501 to 10,000 lb GVWR). Class 1 are small (mini and midsize) trucks and the rest of the classes line up with the first number in the truck model number (except the F450 pickup which is actually a class 3).
I have a F350 SD. Worst truck I've ever owned. It rides like a log wagon, rattles, the steering shafts wore out at 24k, front end issues...won't make this mistake again.
Mine will rattle your teeth out of your head. If you hit a pothole on the interstate, you'll end up in the other lane. Swapped the shocks out at 30k miles, no real difference. Worst truck I've ever owned, bar none.
To be fully honest an f350 is just an f250 with different leaf springs. Sometimes different axels. Just get a f250 with 4:10 gearing and a solid 6 speed transmission and add a couple leaf packs and boom. You have an f350
You have an F350 that you can't use as an F350 because it still has the GVWR of the F250. Pay the extra $1,000 and get the F350 with the higher GVWR and avoid all the problems associated with being over your rated weight.
Anyone ever notice how a lawyer can charge $600 per hour! And these very same people complain about how much regular people make??? It's disgusting ! People who do the least make the most! It's backwards! Trump 2024
Never buy a single rear wheel 350. Buy an f250 with the "camper" package. Exact same rearend and springs. Comes with a gooseneck hitch plate already installed. And it is thousands less than the so called upgrade.
Interesting. But you’ll still be limited by the payload capacity of a F250 3/4 ton at that point. The payload capacity on a F350 (1-ton truck) is a higher number.
The F350 is less than $1,100 more than an F250 of the same configuration and trim with the same options. The camper package does not get fifth wheel prep either. Fifth wheel/gooseneck package is $550 vs $160 for the camper package. All the camper package gets you is slightly heavier front springs, an auxiliary rear spring, a rear sway bar and a camper certification. Fifth wheel/gooseneck prep is only included in the Limited trim F250/F350 and all trims of F450 pickup. I added it to my F450 and all the $160 gets you on the F450 is the camper certification.
You can find other videos about our F350 experience in our playlist about this truck: th-cam.com/play/PLJy7cj0ut2cAX9GxlZywZ8KrL0oeMkGFj.html
Thanks for watching!
Looks like the opening shot of star wars with the big ship going by lol
I hadn't thought of that, but you're right! Here's to hoping that I'm 1/1000th as successful making videos as George Lucas some day. :) Thanks for watching!
Loved the crazy twist at the beginning when you think you're looking at the sidewall of one of the truck's four wheels, then you find out it's the undercarriage spare! Really nice shot. 👍
Thanks, Chris! Every once in a while I get a good idea. :)
Glad to hear someone else wave off of 250s/2500s for the 1-ton version. I’ve talked to quite a few folks who were disappointed w/ their 3/4-ton trucks. I’ve never heard a regret for buying the 1-ton version (kinda like a tractor w/ a cab - no one has expressed regret). Towing? You’ll likely not find any trailers or RVs that a 1-ton won’t pull. It’s almost impossible to overload the bed. IMHO, once you move up from a 1/2-ton truck, skip the intermediate step & just get a 1-ton. Yes, they’re a few thousand more, but this extra $ is soon forgotten with the substantial extra capacity and capability.
At 9:27, something SUPER important to note is, in the towing guides, it says "when properly equipped". This means BASE MODEL with any mentioned towing/payload packages. You almost always run out of payload before towing capacity. If your truck is rated for 14K according to the towing guide, that means that a base model [your truck model] can tow it, not a Limited, or Platinum or whatever. So while half ton towable fifth wheels tend to truly be "half ton towable", it's by the stripped down models, not the XLTs or Lariats people buy, that have half the payload of a base model with no options.
It even says in the guide, in big red letters: "Towing capability will be reduced based on trim series, option content and payload." Buuuuuuut people don't read. Lol
Excellent point!
I just made a 185 mile round trip to a wedding last weekend....took my 99 F250 with the V10, 4 speed automatic, and 3.73 axle ratio truck up there up into the mountains...truck did great, and ended up with around 17.3mpg...that was using the cruise control, and had the AC on, temps in the low to mid 80's. With 4.30 axle ratio I would probably got closer to 15mpg. If I were towing at the max the 4.30 axle would be wise, but for the 5-8k that I tow occasionally the 3.73's are fine. When I got home and did the math and got 17.3mpg I was pretty shocked honestly since that V10 is usually known for pretty dismal fuel economy LOL.
I'm still impressed that you found that truck! You certainly did a good job looking and finding a nice pickup at a great price!
@@PurpleCollarLife I had been looking for quite a while, but was looking more at the 1/2 ton stuff...ran across the ad for the F250 and thought, well you now, that might be a better option if I ever decide to get a dump trailer I'd definitely want the bigger truck. So, I jumped on that deal and haven't had any regrets. I did haul a couple loads of sand with it using a 7x14 dump trailer...truck pulled it great, wouldn't want anything any smaller for that kind of weight....crossed the scales with the truck, trailer, and load of sand at 23,794 pounds. So almost 14k of that was the weight of the sand.
For what I'm doing I don't need a brand new fancy truck, nor did I care to have truck payments LOL. Just about drained my savings account, but I've got the proper truck for my towing needs and anything else in the future.
they can get decent mileage if you your foot off the gas - I have the v10 f250 4x4 and get 15 mpg - skinny tires
Not sure I believe that fuel mileage. If you didn’t figure it manually it’s probably not accurate. The meter on the truck is not accurate.
@@jackadamz3 Figured manually, truck doesn't have a fuel economy display LOL. Got that mileage twice, about 3 weeks apart. I don't drive like an idiot and used the cruise control the whole way...yes they get better fuel economy than people think...especially with the numerically smaller gear ratios...I have the 3.73's rather than 4.30's...the 4.30's will give you the 12-15mpgs that everyone claims.
Good video! Tow 10k with my F150 3.5L and although I can tow to 14k, you definitely know it’s there when braking! Next truck a F350!
Thanks for watching!
Very nice looking truck. I have 16 f250 6.7 and before I purchased it, I test drove the same package but in a 350. The ride on the 350 was more stiff and felt more bumps. Just personal preference. Good luck with your truck, hope you get that 10 speed issue worked out.
Thanks for the info! You're right and bring up a nice point that I forgot to mention - there is a ride difference between the F350 and an F250.
Just picked up new 250 and it has the same springs as my 2021 F350. I got the high capacity axle package. See ford drastically raised the payloads since 2021.
Thanks!
I'm sure it's state dependant but in Mn tags on a F250 will be about 4-500 bucks. My f350 under 150. Because the F350 is the lightest of the truck series. Y PLATE. the F250 is classified as a personal vehicle and the tag goes off of price
I have a 19 250, but I have no intention of ever getting a 5th wheel or gooseneck, so this suits my needs. I agree if you think you'll be heading that direction then the 350 or 450 are the way to go.
Thanks for watching!
Your information is correct. But for people looking at slightly older alumidutys the f350 get the much stronger 6 speed trans than the f250. 6r100 vs 6r140.
Thanks for the info!
Partly because of your videos I ordered my 2022 F350 7.3gas XLT long bed. Now has 44,000 miles.
My main likes?
4069# Payload. She’s a beast!
Engine is unreal on V8 power. No it’s never going to beat a diesel. But my use doesn’t require diesel. I love the growl of standard exhaust. So fun to listen to.
Easy to maintain. Easy to crawl under it. All components are BIG and BEEFY. No question the frame can go a million miles if I do my part and don’t beat it up.
I regularly haul a 17’ Boston Whaler Outrage. That’s a heavy small boat. My truck doesn’t even know it is there. So easy to pull. I’m not an idiot though like these diesel boys who ram down the highway at 80 pulling a massive fifth wheel. So dangerous! I can do 80 with my boat but no way will I.
Can’t live without the tailgate step. My gosh that’s a lifesaver.
8’ bed. When I see 5.5’ F-150 beds now I cringe. I can throw twice as much sh_t in my truck. I took a dump run for my daughter when she was moving and she thought it would take 2 loads. Haha. I made it work with one load. It was a big volume and not too heavy.
I once loaded 8 boxes in there that each weighed about 200 pounds. So about 1600. That was the first time my F-350 suspension didn’t jar me around. Haha.
PS - you can put two full size Harleys in my truck. Easy. Just go slow and maneuver it right. Weight of bikes is immaterial to the truck. It absorbs it.
Most I have hauled is 14k on a 2-5/16” receiver hitch. I felt that load. I know a diesel would have been better. But I also know I could easily drive across the country with that load. Fuel economy was probably 9mpg. I typically get 14.7 around town unloaded. But I don’t baby the gas pedal. Again I love to hear that engine.
Electric folding mirrors. So glad I got them. People often ask about parking the truck. To me the mirrors are good for backing and once I’m in place I fold mirrors and I’m good. No more manual fold.
Speaking of parking. So many people think that parking an 8’ crew cab is hard. No. It is not. I admit there was a learning curve since my last truck was a short bed F-150 crew. I learned to pull farther ahead and to keep my eye on the turning / backing point relative to the rear bumper corner. I have it down to a science now! My wife has grown more and more impressed at how I can slip that beast into a slot. As to parking in general - I never park close to other vehicles if I can avoid it. I like my truck too much. So if I have to walk a couple hundred yards I’m totally cool with that.
I found that I had to fabricate and weld a 30” extension tongue onto my boat trailer as the standard tongue length made that thing jacknife too fast. I know how to back a trailer with the best of them but that configuration of short trailer wheelbase and long truck wheelbase was bad. The 30” extension made a WORLD of difference to me. Now I don’t look like a jack azz at the boat launch!
I love how EASY it is to change oil in this truck. First of all you don’t have to Jack the truck up. The oil pan bolt and filter are side by side. So damn easy. The oil pan bolt is horizontal in the pan and when you remove it oil shoots a country mile and I’ve made some oily messes. To stop that I have ordered a Fumoto 90-deg valve that has a simple valve handle that you just open. Wow. Great upgrade. Can’t wait to install it.
Things I don’t like
Headlights on XLT are NOT bright enough. I have ordered LEDs and that will dramatically improve it.
I don’t like the overall height of the bed. Ridiculous. Ford should offer a bed with fold down sides like a farm truck. If I ever get inclined I might just fabricate my own bed. I hate how tall this truck is. Dumb. It’s a work truck. It’s too hard to climb in and out of. And no way I can reach inside to grab stuff like in a Tacoma.
Anyway. I love my truck. I plan to keep it and run it into the ground. I change oil every 4,000 miles. I don’t care what the book says. I don’t care what the Oil Life Meter says. Oil is cheap insurance. At 50,000 I’m gonna suck out some tranny fluid and replace it. Do that a couple times in succession at oil change time.
I would buy my truck AS IS if I won lotto. All I need and want. I’m proud to own it. It is standard white color and my boys call it The Beluga Whale.
Excellent information! Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I’m glad you have a place to rant. Comparing a Tacoma to a F350, are you kidding?
as a truck driver for 22 years i can honestly say, you do not want to tow a heavy load with a light truck.i've seen MANY of pickups pulling big (2 & 3 axle) campers & boats crash deep into the trees about half to 3/4 of the way down mountains.after a certain point, your merely a unwilling passenger of your fate.you do NOT want to be thrust into trees from behind.its a lose/lose situation for everybody.
Very true!
So get a tractor trailer to move your camper? lol
Yes. A Freightliner Cascadia would be your best bet 😂@@ZR1Terror
Thanks for the video. I just got a new to me 22 F350 Lariat, it has the snow plow camper 5th wheel package. SRW 7.3 SB gas my cargo capacity is 3876. I'm surprised you get 100 more lbs with the 8" bed.
I was amazed to see an F350 that wasn't a dually. The vast majority of F350's I've seen were dual rear wheel. Maybe it's a regional thing??? Not sure, but that is for sure a beautiful truck, Chad! 👍 Thanks for sharing! 😎
Thanks! Around here I would estimate that 75% of 1-ton trucks are dual rear wheel (because you get significantly higher towing capacity if you match that the the diesel engine). But a dually won't fit through our garage door, and would make parking even more difficult than this school bus already is to park. :)
Thanks for watching!
In Maine, most F350's are single rear wheel. Single wheel trucks get better traction in slush or snow. The F350's can handle the weight of a heavy snowplow on the front.
The spring packages are confusing. My 2019 F250 extended cab, 8' bed with the factory camper package has heavier 5600# springs in the front, overload springs in the rear, and a rear anti-sway bar. A person does have to look at each truck individually. There's a wide range of capacities.
Great to hear basic physics at work. Mass = force x acceleration, you can't control mass you are towing are without the force to do so.
Thanks for watching!
Just the video I was looking for. Great job thanks
Glad you liked it!
Great video the truck I have is my first heavy duty truck 21 7.3 4.30 f250. I wish I went in with more knowledge. That being said I'm good with what I have. It is my daily driver I gave up my car and 02 1500 I bought it new for it. I'm retired so I only do 8k a year vacations bump that up wife still works. I have the 350 rear end comes with the tremor package. I only have 2834 payload so that's more than a half ton of difference. I do believe the differential is different as well upgraded over the f250.
Those Tremor F250 trucks look sharp! I think you're right that when you upgrade to the Tremor package, you get the bigger wheels and tires, differential, and that 4:30 axle ratio. Does it also add the helper leaf springs?
Yes it does. I knew the gas mileage wouldn't be good but I wanted the 4.30. My last truck maybe got a little better gas mileage but not much so I'm used to it.
Your 4:30 rear end in the F250 is the exact same rear end as an F350. The 4:30 gears where only installed in the Dana M275. The F350 has the M275 with 3:73's or 4:30's. The 3:55 gear in the F250 is the 10.5 inch Steerling and there is nothing wrong with that. It's a tried and true rear axle that's been used for a long time.
@robertweller2662 thank you for the information.
Also, the one ton trucks aren’t that much more expensive for what you get in payload and towing
That's the way I see it too.
Cargo capacity is usually where you hit limitations. For me, that is the reason I went with a one ton. The price difference was about 900 bucks and the ride is fine.
Our F250 has the 3.73 rear axle. It was a $430 option.
Thanks! What year is your truck? I didn't see it as an option when we were shopping.
Yes it's a electric locker rear end .
@@PurpleCollarLifeif it’s a ‘20 to ‘22 F250 then he must have gotten 6.2L V8. That was the only engine you can get with a 3.73 F250 for those model years. The F250 7.3 gas V8 was either 3.55 or 4.30, the 6.7 diesel was either 3.31 or 3.55.
For 2023, the 3.55 was dropped in favor of a 3.73 for the 7.3 F250.
2019 with 3.73
I've had them both and prefer the f350. So many reasons why.
I've had one F250, and now two F350s (one diesel, one gas), and I can see some advantages to each. But for our application, towing the heavy 5th wheel, we need that payload capacity that the F350 offers to tow legally. Thanks for the comment!
I've got a 2023 F250 Crew Cab 6.75 ft. bed with a 3818 lb. payload capacity and a 10500lb. GVW, 4.30 differentials, 7.3 Godzilla, 10 speed transmission, 11.6 inch Sterling rear end with E-locker, dual batteries and alternators. According to Ford towing guide and subtracting the maximum payload capacity, configuration will tow 15,500lb. We plan on getting a 5th wheel, but keeping the towing weight below 14,000lb.
2 of the reasons were the axle ratio. Love that
Not sure what you’re saying. There were 4 unique reasons. Maybe check the chapter break-up in the video timeline?
With the options I wanted an F350 was cheaper than a F250. On the 350 they came standard but the 250 had an upcharge.
That’s awesome!
You can pull up to 30,000lbs with a 3.55 rear gear ratio of course this is the 6.7L power stroke Diesel engine though not your 7.3 gas.
I've had 6 Superdutys in the last 25 years, 2 F-250's and 4 F-350's, all were diesels so I've had each diesel version and my current F-350 is a Crew Cab, long bed, SRW 6.2 gas. They were all great trucks and towed boats , cars, and materials for my construction business. Mine were all 3:73 rears with an automatic. The reason I opted to go gas after 5 diesels was strictly economics, while the diesels did get 3-4 more mpg, I weighed paying $1.50 more per gallon typically vs miles and opted for my latest 6.2. I've hauled my Hot Rods cross country through mountains and deserts with no issues. I've always opted for the 350's because I order all my trucks, and the price difference was typically only $600-$800 on 250's vs 350's. Possibly my only thought on ordering a 250 next timme, is the much smoother ride.
Thanks for the great comment and sharing your experience. I still have no regrets about switching from the diesel engine to the 7.3 gasser.
And you can now get the 3.73 gears on the F250. And I hate the new tail lights on the 2024 models. Also, steps on the outside of the bed, and the bumper make it look like a Chevrolet.
Thanks for watching! I thought the same thing about those new steps on the bed/bumper.
Speaking from experience, it is a closer comparison of F150 to F250 or F350SRW than it is F350 SRW to F350 Dually. We pull a 40' 5th wheel and our SRW wasn't really comparable to our Dually when comparing payload, spring rate and the differential is much more robust. I went with a dually after fighting a side wind all day. We got into another side wind after we got the dually and I could barely tell the wind was blowing.
Get the Hellwig leaf springs...I have them on mine bought used 2012 F350 6.2 gas cc FX4 srw Lariat long bed
Thanks! I'll look into those. I've been happy with the ride and handling.
For towing I prefer duelies, as they give much more control.
Thanks! I've never towed with a dually - so I can't speak from experience. But it seems like the dual rear wheel setup was made specifically for towing/heavy loads - so that makes sense. The bad part is - a dually wouldn't fit through my garage door. :) I have to fold the mirrors in on this one to fit into the garage.
I keep looking for a good used 1 ton. They aren’t cheap either.
Keep on tractoring!
Don't you mean "keep on trucking" here 😁
I picked up a 99 F250 a few months ago for $4500, higher miles on it 185k, has the V10, 5th wheel prep package, tow package, but has the 3.73 axle ratio instead of the 4.30 axle ratio, but pulls my car trailer with my Kubota BX2680 and all my implements with ease....well worth stepping up to an HD truck.
You're right about that, Jon! They're few and far between. And if you think you'll find an older one that is in the shape of your F150, you'll be looking a long time! :)
@wildbill23c - you found a nice deal! Those V10 trucks have really held their value.
@@PurpleCollarLife The guy I bought it from only used it once or twice a year to tow his camper, so it had been sitting quite a while, and he just wanted to get rid of it basically. The bed was covered in leaves, trash, etc. So when I got it home I took the leaf blower and a broom and started cleaning everything out of the bed, that's how I found out about the 5th wheel prep package as I ran into the rails in the bed with the broom LOL. I put new spark plugs and coils on it, runs and drives great, doesn't seem like it had almost 200k on it. Its the Lariat model, and the only negative is it has the electric shift transfer case, would have much preferred the old school manual shift transfer case. The mirrors are stuck in the extended position LOL, other than that everything on it works. For $4500 and for what I need it for, it'll do just fine. I have no plans to pull a 5th wheel or gooseneck trailer but I guess the rails are there if I ever decide to LOL.
Let me help you, since you obviously don't know the difference (and neither does almost anyone else so don't feel bad): The F-350 frame has a higher section modulus than the F-250. THAT'S IT. As you move up to the bigger trucks, F-450, F-550, etc, they also have a higher section modulus value. Section modulus, in layman's terms, is how strong the frame is - how it resists twisting, flexing, bending, etc. Between F-250 and F-350, this is done by simply making the frame from thicker steel. On the larger trucks, you see not only thicker steel, but larger frame cross sections. This has been true of all Ford (and other) trucks pretty much forever.
I read this once long ago - probably the late 90s, about the F250 and F350 difference. I hope it's true. But I can't find a single piece of evidence from Ford that it is.
I just traded in my 2016 FordF250lariat crew cab 4wd for a new Ford F350 4wd lariat crew cab the FX4 package both trucks have 20 inch rims the F350 4wd is a few inches taller I found this out today when I tried to hook my little trailer to load my riding mower I used a 8 inch drop for the F250 the safety chains and the trailer plugged in my F350 I couldn't hook either one so I guess I disagree with the F350 being lower
you put out some good content/ wonderful.
I appreciate that!
I have the 250 and I have to tippy toe to reach the hood latch to pull the hood shut. I am 6 foot tall. lol A few questions as always. 1 - Do you have a rear stabilizer/sway bar? 2 - Do you have the front wheel stabilizer shock or shocks? 3 - I live in PA and yearly registration costs a small fortune. They say you can get a 350 reduced to a 250 cost if it is not a dually? How much is yearly registration for the 350? 4 - What type of electric brake controller do you use for hauling your camper? 5 - Have you considered getting your truck undercoated due to the wonderful brine they spray on the roads during the winter?
That hood feels like it is 9 feet in the air when it's open! :)
We do have the rear stabilizer/sway bar. Our truck has the camper package - and that is part of that package.
2. We do have the front wheel steering stabilizer shock. I actually like the placement of this steering stabilizer on the 2020 better than the one on our old 2005.
3. Registration is crazy. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's over $300 each year. I think I have our truck registered as the old Class 4 (back when they used to stick those extra stickers on your window beside the inspection sticker). I needed that class level because of the tongue weight of the 5th wheel on the truck when we're camping.
4. We use the built-in Ford electric brake controller. It works great! But I do have to adjust it between trailers. The 5th wheel runs at a gain of 8.0. The other trailers I tow are usually at 5.5 or 5. We get all the vehicles undercoated every year. Now, with the 2020 truck, since the body is aluminum - we just get the frame and chasis components sprayed. I don't have them put the coating inside the doors and tailgate, rockers, etc. But I've been wondering if that actually should still be done.
I would love to only pay $300 a year for registration. My Ram 2500 was about $650 a year in AZ.
Dang. Do you have yearly vehicle inspections? I PA, wehave to get our vehicles inspected every year. @@arch417powersports
@@arch417powersportsJeez... Is AZ trying to outdo Commiefornia for truck tags? My '01 F350 is $408 this year.
@@melrobinson6919 Wow! That is crazy, in Texas it only costs $75 annually to register my F250. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember. Any vehicle considered as a 1-ton or under pays the same rate. Not sure what it costs to register something like an F-450 and up though.
I bought a F350 4wd srw lariat sport with FX4 package crew cab I traded in my 2016 FordF250lariat powerstroke ultimate crew cab I didn't plan on buying a F350 4wd but they had on on the lot it's a nice truck it doesn't ride as good as the F250 however it gets better mileage and it doesn't weigh as much as the 2016
My F-250 is only different from a F-350 is the fender badge and the door sticker, everything else from springs to the axles is identical. (Super Duty Tremor).
Very cool!
250 and 350 have different rear axles.
@@stephbarbershop2518 Not the 2022...
F250/350 XL-Limited
F250 Tremor is a F350
You can get an auto slide 5th wheel
You can get a bigger fuel tank from S&B
My F250 Tremor has 3.55 but it’s a 6.7 with the upgrade ultimate towing package
The heights are the same in the lower packages.
Thanks! I wasn't sure if there were differences between the F250 Tremor and the F350.
So that said, why wouldn’t you just purchase the 350?
In MN, tabs are much cheaper
The biggest thing here in Washington state is license tabs. The F350 is 100 bucks a year and the F250 is in the 500 to 1000 dollar range depending on the year.
Yup, my 2017 F350 Dually is half the price of my Wife’s 2006 Honda Ridgeline. Considered a commercial vehicle.
Same here in Minnesota.
Pick up a F250 tremor HO with 3.55....Absolutely the Best combination... Plus cheaper on your insurance!
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Unfortunately for us -the F250 doesn't offer high enough payload capacity for us to legally tow our 5th wheel trailer.
Love the content man 🛻
Awesome! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
I have 2019 6.2 6speed with 3.73 tows like a boss wva mts not a problem
Sorry mines f 250 payload 3232 lbs
Thanks!
2020 xlt cc F350 short bed 6.2/10 speed 3.73 gears 4239 payload. Tows 8.5k travel trailer no problem. 7.3 was too new for me at the time. 6.2 was proven already.
I have a 2020 4x2 F350 XLT Supercrew with 3.73 locking differential. Was going to get the F250, but the difference in payload and extra stuff was only $1200. Kind of a no brainer. Mine is the short bed, but the payload is 4350# and I tow my Keystone Cougar fifth wheel with no problems. I chose the B&W hitch because I have both fifth wheel and gooseneck trailers I tow. Thinking of swapping the king pin on the camper to a Reese Goosebox so I can get rid of the fifth wheel. It takes up too much bed space.🤦🏻♂️
I have a goosebox and a shortbed f350. Bought the gen-y extention for the puck system for extra clearance. Works great
One thing that is always overlooked is the max GCWR. GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT RATING. That’s the max the truck and trailer together can weigh. All manufactures have one but they just like to advertise the MAX number which is not safe at all! I caution everyone who’s towing near capacity of any truck be it a 1/2 ton or an f450. Find out what your GCWR is and weight your truck and trailer.
I'd give this two hearts if I could! You're spot on here. GCWR is very important and very overlooked. In fact, I think that in some states, if your GCWR when towing a load is over a certain number (maybe 26,000 lbs??) you actually need different license types or different registration or something. I remember seeing that on some forum somewhere about the new F350, F450, F550 trucks - to be cautious about total weight of rig.
@@PurpleCollarLife 26001 in pa look on the back of your drivers license you’ll see it.
@@charger7022 That's the driver's maximum GCWR, not the vehicle's maximum. You are correct that some PA drivers probably have a regular license and are towing about the amount that puts them into what should be a higher driver license class (CDL).
The weight rating on the door makes a tremendous difference is what someone can do in work related driving. This from FMCSA will muddy the water a little more regarding licenses, hours of service and whatnot regarding this. www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/hours-service-frequently-asked-questions-non-business-transportation
How is the ride quality from the 350 to the 250. I would expect the 350 to be a bit more stiff.
The only F250 I have to compare our last two F350s to is a 2000 F250 long bed, regular cab. I feel like it may have ridden a little more comfortably than the F350s we have had since then. But when the F350 has a load on (like our 5th wheel trailer), the ride is actually pretty smooth. That weight smooths things out. When the truck is empty though - it can be a rough ride and you feel plenty of imperfections in the road.
Tyvm
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3.73 is Available for F-250 E and Slip. I order mine with 3.73
That’s good to hear! It wasn’t available in the years we were looking at (2020 and 2021). It’s nice to know they’ve upgraded the configurations to allow the additional axle ratio in the F250 size. But we still would have needed the F350 for the payload capacity to legally tow our 5th wheel.
I've had 2 350s and one 250 and just buying my second 250, a Tremor HO diesel, 4 reasons w/250 Tremor to skip the 350 #1 - same axles/suspension as the 350 #2 - $1700 cheaper. #3 - Some states charge you more for a ton truck vs. 3/4 #4 - If you don't get a Tremor, are you really going to do something with a 350, that the 250 can't do? Simple physics, if you put even a 12k or God forbid a 20k trailer behind a 250 or a 350 and that trailer has an issue and goes sideways off a cliff, into a lake, or into oncoming traffic, you and your truck are going with it, even if in a 450 or 650.
Thanks for the info. Our major advantage to the F350 is that it has the legal payload capacity to handle the hitch weight of our 5th wheel RV on the truck. With any F250, we would be illegally towing our trailer.
Hey, can someone tell me the advantages of having a longer bed when towing a Fifth Wheel
That’s a great question. We made a video about it! th-cam.com/video/EO1MrCGEwdM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XgtV3slJ0FxMVE87
Have you heard anything about that new 6.8L Gasser for 2023? Think it’s only available for the XL trim. I’m going to build a 2024 F-350, but tough to decide on the 6.8 or big 7.3. I’ll only use the truck for plowing 10 miles of dirt roads, towing would be rare. Thanks great video.
I did some exploring on Ford's "Build and Price" pages. On there, it does seem that you can only get the 6.8L gas flex fuel engine with the XL trim. Other than the worries about cam/lifter failure, I really like the 7.3 Godzilla so far. It is plenty powerful and is a nice running engine when towing or empty.
I have a 2023 f250 with the 6.8 gas engine for a company work truck. I don’t tow but I do haul with it all the time. It is rated to haul about 3100 pounds which I get up to on a regular basis. Power wise it is sufficient and the power comes on smoothly with the 10 spd transmission. Fuel economy wise it is on par with the old 6.2 engine.
I have a 2018 F250 Lariat with 3.73 🤔. Did they remove that option on the 2020+? I know the 250 can be taller etc with Fx4 package. I thought only difference was the payload and towing mainly, rest were the same.
Thanks for watching! I think that the 3:73 was only available in certain configurations - like the F350 or maybe the Tremor?
Made it 1:19 into this one before quitting. Nobody has time for this lol
Thanks for trying. I don’t think I’d call over 30,000 views “nobody”.
Hi… I just asked on your other video … about the axles… as I go on the Ford site… it looks like new 250s have the 373 option now… I lean that way… good middle of the road… however this will really only be used to tow a 7k trailer with 2K payload… We plan to travel a lot so it would be best to get the best mpg we can… but if always towing… would the 430 axle be better?
I'm very happy with the 3:73 ratio axle on our F350. The 10-speed transmission is nicely matched with that ratio for the mix of highway travel, and towing that we do. If you are always towing, and towing near the maximum limit - I'd recommend the 4:30 gears. But for our 12,500 lbs trailer, the 3:73 is excellent.
So if considering an F250. consider an F350 for reasons.
Then if considering and F350, consider and F450 so you can get the wide-track front axle for a tighter turning radius.
It never ends...
You're 100% right. I really considered the 450 because of that tighter turning radius. The turning radius on our F350 Crew Cab with long bed is unbelievable.
@@PurpleCollarLife I tell people it's like driving a train. Then my friend with the 45ft RV just laughs at me. (And he's right... I've driven a school bus.)
I got the 22 F350 over the F250 because of higher payload and towing
That's the only reason someone would need to get the F350 would be for higher payload and towing numbers, everything else is pretty much gonna be the same otherwise.
I've seen many 3/4 trucks towing that look like their 5th wheel or gooseneck would be more tongue weight than what the payload capacity of their truck actually is. I don't think some people realize what payload is. Thanks for watching!
I got a gasser fx4 xlt 250. Cause I couldn't afford a bigger one. But I just do construction. Don't tow much
For the most part if your hauling more weight then the 250 is rated for you should probably be in a dually. 2023 250 and 350 non duallys all have same parts except maybe springs and in some packages even the springs are the same.
Thanks for watching. We like the additional payload in our F350 without having the dually.
@@PurpleCollarLife Dually can be annoying in tight spaces for sure.
Ordered a f250 lariat and getting 3.73 diff. I think the FX4 gives you the 3.73
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What’s the max payload and towing cap for F350 single wheel?
Max payload depends on configuration and features ordered. I've seen some that are slightly less than ours, and some that are a bit more. I know I've seen a few that are over 4000 lbs the way they are configured. The less weight in the truck build components, the higher the payload is in most cases.
The maximum trailer load is listed on that towing guide that I put a link to in the description. It varies based on axle ratio, engine, and whether it's bumper tow or 5th wheel/gooseneck. It also varies year to year.
@PurpleCollarLife I found the towing guide, thanks. Think I'll need to go dually because I'll be towing 23k.
I have a 250 with the 7.3 and 3.73 gears I get about 10mpg
With a 10,600 gvwr
Thanks for the comment. It is interesting how different terrain, elevation, driving styles, etc. can affect miles per gallon that people get in their trucks. Here's what I typically get on my long commute: th-cam.com/video/TMQ-QNrPDw4/w-d-xo.html
How do they compare with ride?
I've always felt like unloaded, the F250 has a better ride. But once they're loaded, I like the F350 because the helper springs don't let it sag so much.
@@PurpleCollarLifethanks
If you drove the 6.7 that would handle the 5th wheel better, as well!
Thanks! We're trying to stay away from the diesels. Too many bad memories (and empty pockets) from our last Powerstroke.
Thanks for the info, I am just starting my research on trucks and 5th wheels. Just curious why you went with the gas vs diesel as I thought you would be better off with the diesel. Also, does a longbed have more load capacity then the 6 3/4 bed? Thanks for showing the sticker, that helped with my research.
There are a couple reasons we didn’t get the diesel this time. There’s actually a video on our channel about why we got rid of the diesel (problem after problem). But another reason is that the gas engine is lighter weight, which gives more payload capacity to the truck. The diesel version of our truck also was going to be over $10,000 more expensive. The long bed version doesn’t give more capacity as far as weight, but it gives us a larger fuel tank for greater range, and more space to haul stuff in the bed, and more distance between the 5th wheel trailer and the cab of the truck for those tight turns. We have a video about that too - where I show the truck turns about 90-degrees with the 5th wheel on it.
@PurpleCollarLife thanks for the info! That is great, I will look those other videos up.
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Can you do more videos on the ford ranger please
I'm sure there will be videos including the Ranger in the future. What kind of topics would you like me to cover about the Ranger?
@@PurpleCollarLife payload ,winter driving in roads, why the hard top ,
Never understood why anyone would go F250 over F350 srw. The F250 is nothing more than a derated F350.
Yeah, TODAY you might not NEED the extra capacity that the F350 has, but what about a year from now when you decide to get a 5th wheel?
I can't tell you how many people went 3/4 ton, then ended up being overloaded, which doesn't take much in a 3/4 ton.
Just get the F350, it's the same truck, but with higher capacities.
Thanks for watching! I thought about the F350 dually when I was shopping - because of the even greater increase in towing capacity/payload. I even considered the F450 because of the capacity AND the tight turning radius. But when I considered everything, the SRW F350 just made the most sense for me.
Big change coming for 2025. Non tremor gas f250s will have the downgraded 10r100 transmission as well as the 6.8 f350.
Wow! That's great info.
I don’t believe I’ve seen the update on the transmission??
The good news - the truck is still on the road and hasn’t left us stranded. We’ll go over the bad news in a future video.
If you really check the numbers, 1/2 ton trucks usually run out of payload before they hit that upper tow weight limit. Towing weight is how much weight your truck can move horizontally. Payload is vertical downward load on the truck. Too often people just see that maximum payload and don't read the fine print that says that is based on a 4x2, regular cab, 8' bed truck, in the most stripped down configuration available. I would guess that most 1/2 tons purchased as daily drivers, and not work trucks, have enough creature comforts added to them that payload is more likely to be between 1,200 - 1,600 Lbs.
Excellent points - and 100% true!
My 2016 f150 5.0 xlt sport package ext cab has a 2150 payload. Heavy duty model has 3270 payload.
Have had anywhere from Rangers to 650s. Zero difference in a 350 to 250 in standard pickup.
I’m going to have to disagree on that one. The F250 and F350 have significantly different cargo capacity - which is what is needed to tow a 5th wheel or gooseneck like we do.
At least legally.
@@PurpleCollarLife yeah, I get that part. But that's really about it, and that can easily be upgraded in the 250 w/ aftermarket springs etc
I don't see that the F250 has any advantages over the F350. Always go for the more capable truck.
Not a fan of the 2 piece drive shaft... just to much to go wrong on that truck
The engine and transmission will give you problems long before the drive shaft.
Interesting. I'm actually not sure what you mean by 2-piece drive shaft. Can you explain?
@@PurpleCollarLife Once you get beyond a certain wheelbase you get a two piece driveshaft and a carrier bearing near the center joint. The two piece actually solves a lot of issues and introduced almost no additional maintenance.
It's actually two drive shafts connected by a universal joint.
The Tremor package is 2 inches higher
Thanks for the info!
I think that white ford ranger could pull that camper. People do it all the time on TikTok and facebook 😆😆
You're right- the little Ranger could probably tow that camper - once! :) We might even get 500,000 views! :) Those videos on FB always crack me up. Little tiny trucks towing huge yachts or 5th wheels RVs.
Obviously this guy doesn't know that you can put the same size tires on a 250 as a 350 if they both have the same size rim😅
F350's usually have slightly wider tires, bigger brakes, more spring leafs, more cooling capacity, and a bunch of tiny parts in and around the engine that are usually slightly more heavy duty. Mechanics know what parts.
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Yeah, I was wondering if they beefed up the brakes on the 350...interesting to hear about other folks' choices. Always useful!
250 vs 350 is not as important as gas vs diesel. While you are fighting with the cars to get your 5th wheel rig into a gas station, I blitz through a truck stop pulling my 5th wheel and have no drama, no maneuvering nightmares. You chose the wrong engine.
You're right - considering the engine is also very important. After 17 years of dealing with the issues of the PowerStroke engine letting us down, and costing us thousands of dollars while stranded on RV vacations, we opted for the gas engine this time.
As far as 250 vs 350 - it is of extreme importance if you're worried about payload capacity of that 5th wheel on your truck. If we had purchased an F250, we would be over the payload capacity with our 5th wheel and if we were pulled over, subject to fines here in Pennsylvania.
Here's the video about why we ditched the diesel for the 7.3 gas engine this time. th-cam.com/video/b4oJeIHEgT0/w-d-xo.html
Ya you want 3.73 cause gasoline engine made to move truck only and not the heavy trailer
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How come your dog isn’t wearing a purple collar?
We need to get her one!
i dont understand why people go out and buy a f350 just to get a gas engine, like why wouldn't u just get a diesel, or get a f150 if ur gonna get a gas
Because the diesels cost more, some people don't do long distance towing, and not everyone knows a trustworthy diesel mechanic.
These are great questions. As far as why a F350 - because we need the payload capacity. As far as why the gas and not the diesel - because we have had our fair share of issues with a previous generation of the Powerstroke diesel engine. Here's the video we made about it. th-cam.com/video/b4oJeIHEgT0/w-d-xo.html
All very true @RyanJK88!
U can get 3.53 on a 250. Camping package give your the helper leaf. My F250 has 6-8 inches of clearance for my 5thwheel. U can also add GVWR in a 250 if you have the camping package. This is why I chose a 250 and put a couple bucks in my pocket. I enjoy your video's, but I disagree with you here. You also bought used, which limited your choices.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! I appreciate it. At the time we were shopping, the F250 wasn’t available with a 3:73 gear ratio (probably due to supply chain issues?). And you’re right, we did have limited choices since we were shopping used because I wanted that gold certified blue oval extended warranty that comes on those certified used trucks. I do notice that according to the Ford website - the maximum payload on a F250 (if configured 4x4 regular cab/long bed) is 4260 lbs, and maximum GVWR is 10,000 lbs. Payload goes down as features are added (crew cab, 4x4, packages, etc.). The F350 has a maximum payload of 4960 lbs as a 4x4, regular cab, long bed - but gets the higher 11,400 GVWR in the SRW configuration. I wanted to get that higher GVWR with the gas engine. I see the F250 can get over the 11,000 GVWR now (2024 model), but requires the 6.7 HO Diesel option.
@@PurpleCollarLife Enjoy your truck. If you get to Michigan...see you at the campsites.
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The 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton terminology makes no sense anymore. The 1/2 ton can actually carry a 1 ton payload and the 1 ton can actually carry 3 tons of payload.
The modern classifications are class 1 to 8. Class 2 is split into 2A (1/2 ton - up to 8,500 lb GVWR) and 2B (3/4 ton - 8,501 to 10,000 lb GVWR). Class 1 are small (mini and midsize) trucks and the rest of the classes line up with the first number in the truck model number (except the F450 pickup which is actually a class 3).
F250 is more fun
I have a F350 SD. Worst truck I've ever owned. It rides like a log wagon, rattles, the steering shafts wore out at 24k, front end issues...won't make this mistake again.
Wow! That's not good at all. Ours rides good for a 1-ton truck.
Mine will rattle your teeth out of your head. If you hit a pothole on the interstate, you'll end up in the other lane. Swapped the shocks out at 30k miles, no real difference. Worst truck I've ever owned, bar none.
Its just a spring thats all
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Don't buy anything with DEF...
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@@PurpleCollarLife yes sir. Best of luck with your channel and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
If u go 350 u go diesel son
We've gone diesel - for 17 years. The constant repairs and additional costs were not worth it for our use.
To be fully honest an f350 is just an f250 with different leaf springs. Sometimes different axels.
Just get a f250 with 4:10 gearing and a solid 6 speed transmission and add a couple leaf packs and boom. You have an f350
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You have an F350 that you can't use as an F350 because it still has the GVWR of the F250. Pay the extra $1,000 and get the F350 with the higher GVWR and avoid all the problems associated with being over your rated weight.
F350 frames are beefier.
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I'm not sure what that had to do with trucks lol
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Cut out the first two minutes and get to business.
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Never buy a single rear wheel 350. Buy an f250 with the "camper" package. Exact same rearend and springs. Comes with a gooseneck hitch plate already installed. And it is thousands less than the so called upgrade.
Interesting. But you’ll still be limited by the payload capacity of a F250 3/4 ton at that point. The payload capacity on a F350 (1-ton truck) is a higher number.
@@PurpleCollarLife it is the same exact truck. Same exact capacities. The only difference is the plastic badging.
The F350 is less than $1,100 more than an F250 of the same configuration and trim with the same options. The camper package does not get fifth wheel prep either. Fifth wheel/gooseneck package is $550 vs $160 for the camper package. All the camper package gets you is slightly heavier front springs, an auxiliary rear spring, a rear sway bar and a camper certification. Fifth wheel/gooseneck prep is only included in the Limited trim F250/F350 and all trims of F450 pickup.
I added it to my F450 and all the $160 gets you on the F450 is the camper certification.
F250 is more fun