I discuss the advantages/disadvantages of each truck and depending on different circumstances what you should buy to make sure the truck is right for you.
Trucks certainly have grown in size and weight. My first F 250 was a 1959 and had a GVW max of 7500 lbs. My 1986 F 350 had a GVW max of 8400 lbs. To get over 10,000 lbs GVW you needed duals in the rear. I'm now retired and drive a Ranger.
I appreciate the heck out of these videos! I think I've watched them all especially on the f350. They were enough to sway me into trading in my f150 and moving up to the f350 diesel. Thanks for all your help answering questions I've had with these vids.
By far the best explanation I’ve ever gotten and I’m super thankful for the video...been looking at super duty for a while and am sold on a 350 being what we go with for that payload
The best video I've seen so far comparing the key differences between the 250 and 350. Like the old saying goes, if in doubt always go bigger, and that certainly applies here. Thanks buddy for uploading it 👍👍thumbs up from me 🙂
Man, love your video’s. Your explanations are really easy to understand for us laymen’s. Saving up for my F350 and now have to ask myself what I’ll really be using it for.
Just watched the video. Now, gonna go back and write down your formulas so I can REALLY understand the weights! Thanks for your hard work (both life and RV)! Y'all Be Safe in Nova Scotia!
Dude thank you so much for all this information. This answered every damn question I've been scouring the internet for. Subscribed just off this one video
Great Video of a apples to apples black and white explanation. That red 250 matches my F150 3.5 ecoboost payload at 1800+. Crazy. Also showed how important air bags are. Thanks for the video!
I agree with you 100%. Unless you are in a more bare bones 250 you are going over payload quickly. The ride is hardly different. Go for the 350. Keep up the excellent job
When loaded up for a camping trip or work trip the ride is virtually the same. Load the trailer onto the F250 and then let the air out of the air bags with a load on it.
Great video and explanation of payloads and GVWRs. Well done. Trucks have gotten very heavy in the last decade or so - especially diesels. Not only is the engine heavy but all of the emissions "junk" adds weight too. Fords new 7.3 V8 Gasser will be worth a look I think!
The 7.3 gas is definitely worth a look if you don't need the torque for towing the diesel gives on a regular basis, or if you live in a climate that regularly goes below freezing, where diesel tends to gel up.
Here’s my thinking... If you’re pulling a travel trailer, then you’ll probably be OK with a diesel F250. If you’re pulling a fifth wheel camper up to 12,000 lbs. you’re probably OK with a gasser F250 unless you pull in the mountains or you want a lot of bling in the truck. If you’re towing a fifth wheel camper over 12,000 lbs. you need a diesel engine and to have enough payload you have to have at least a F350.
My wife called me and asked “watch ya doin?” I am watching a guy from Nova Scotia tow heavy shit in his Pickup truck. She said “oooh kay, see you later” I find your videos oddly satisfying.
Shopped 250 vs 350 earlier this year. Price differential was literally $1,000. I bought the 250, contemplating only need to tow my existing boat, utility trailer (SXS and wheelers) and/or travel trailer. No big deal. Immediately started looking at fifth wheel toy hauler and realized that hitch weight was over payload. In hindsight, wish I'd gotten the 350 just to give myself more options.
Your video is very helpful. Great comparison between a 3/4 and 1 ton truck. The only thing sucks about getting the 1 ton is, as you briefly mentioned in your video, is that you pay more for tax and registration. However, in my opinion, if I were to get a 1 ton truck (350 or 3500), I would go all the way and get the 2-wheel drive dually (only around $1400 USD option). Dually is not good on snow or sand, so save some money by opting for the 2-wheel drive. Great video.
The 350 didn't drop much as it's made to keep a bit of a smoother ride until enough weight puts it to the other springs in the pack. Kind of like a progressive coil spring, lighter and more responsive then progressively stronger as it gets more into the springs.
Wow. Ty very much for this. I am about to get my new tank and I was trying to determine which way to go. I am small, with small dogs and will have a light Kimbo slide in camper. I want gobs of power and payload to spare for us and our little backpack fort. Thx a lot man. This was super cool and useful. Ty for caring enough to take the time. I like your shirt, and, you are a BABE. Just sayin. Cheers from Ventura, Cali. 💥💥👊🏻
Very informational video. I see it’s a year old video but still relevant. Thx. I just test drove a 2020 4 x 4 crew cab F2 50 with 6.7 Diesel and the same set up F 350. They both have the same number springs to include the helper spring. Because the F2 50 had the towing package with the new for 2020 pro back up assist trailer the round knob to steer the trailer without the steering well the F3 50 had The pro assist but not the trailer package. Lariet package on both. Both also had the 3 inch receiver under the bumper for a 3 inch hitch. I believe the GVWR on the 350 said 11,500 lbs and the 250 said 10,800 lbs. Other 250 diesel on the lot had 10,000 GVWR. Both of these are new and I test drove the 350 First and this is my actual first time driving a diesel and my first thought was it drove kind of clunky for the test drive and at that point I was thinking of keeping my F150 and finding a lighter travel trailer. Not sure why the 350 felt clunky but it was a recent dealer trade for another Ford SUV the salesman said and had 480 miles which 240 of it was from driving it from Ohio to the dealer for the trade. So that seemed weird. I told the salesman if I was spending 70 K range I only something that was brand new with close to 0 miles so who knows what happened with the unknown mileage at hand. Generally people and/or a dealer could trade in their problem for something else so that could’ve been the case maybe it had something going on with it that they’re not gonna say otherwise they would not get the trade they wanted. I’ve then drove the F2 50 and it actually felt like it drove equal to or slightly better than my F150. I knew at that point the F2 50 the only way to go. It was more than enough towing capacity for anything I would venture into. I ended up purchasing the F2 50 for a future travel trailer use but I wanted to be comfortable while driving plus The towing set up on it was just slightly lower than 350 but also much higher than the standard F250.
I have a 2019 350 platinum 6.7. My cargo capacity is 255lbs less than your xlt 350, just for reference what options can add weight Wise. I drove both the 250 and 350 when I was ordering and honestly could tell no difference in ride. I went wit the 350 for the exact reasons you said, but also it's only $1000 difference between the two on a platinum, and I live in Illinois where the registration costs are the same between the two. Some states charge more after you are over 10 or 11k gvw. Nice comparison! So glad I have the 350!
jnuechte Hey sounds like a beautiful truck and you made the right choice. All the options add weight, all the fancy features like power seats, massaging seats, all electrical components, the sunroof adds weight, power steps adds weight due to wiring. If all adds up quick.
This video shows exactly why I got a Ram 3500 (SRW). Nowadays, everybody's so called "3/4-ton" trucks are really just detuned 1-ton trucks; usually a slightly less strong axle & springs so as to lower the GVWR. In the case of General Motors, the GMT-800 generation trucks were pretty much the last generation that had a 3/4-ton chassis; by that, I mean the frame rail's steel was a thicker gauge than a 1/2-ton frame, but not as thick as a 1-ton frame & therefore would not be too heavy of a truck; the 3/4-tons also only had a semi-floating Dana 44 rear axle & the 2500-HD & 3500's had the full-floating Dana 60 rear axle. Notice with newer GM trucks since 2008 (the beginning of the GMT-900 generation), does not have "2500" anymore, but rather, 2500-HD. That is because 2500-HD still means today what it meant when GM first came out with the moniker at the beginning of the GMT-800 generation. That is, the 2500-HD was a detuned 1-ton; people back in the GMT-800 generation would say that the 2500-HD was a single rear wheel 1-ton & that is not true! It's a 1-ton frame & 1-ton axles, BUT, slightly detuned at the springs. I remember in the early 2000's when you built a Silverado/ Sierra on the website, there was no option for it on the website to make an SRW 3500, BUT, you could still order a single rear wheel 3500 from the dealer. The only other reason the 2500-HD was more common was because one always gets a better deal when buying off the lot; if you wanted a diesel engine, AND, you only wanted single rear wheels, the lots more commonly had in stock the 2500-HD.
Always had 350s just bought a 250 at third of cost and found it has the 350 springs 350 blocks but no over load springs . I ordered timbrens and that should help when pulling camper. All I tow is under 10,000 lbs . Also the 20s have more weight capacity than 17s . I swapped to 17s for better gear ratio as i have 373 with the 6.2 gas. My 6.0l I run 18s .
I appreciate the payload and tou gue weight discussion! The video I watched before your just talked about physical features and not capacities One thing though-I read that the F350 or one-ton has many USA jurisdictions mandating a "commercial" insurance on them. Back in 2010-12 when I was looking to get commercial insurance on my Chevy Astro Van in order to perform courier work for hire, I was quated $5,350.00 USD. I was paying just $625.00/Year regular insurance: over a nine-fold increase for commercial. Chicago, Illinois, USA location
Another thing to consider in comparing the 250 vs. 350 is your gvw in regards to your gcwr. In many states you need a class “A” drivers license over a certain weight, and they go by the trucks rated weight, in many instances using the 350, it will put you over the limits of a standard drivers license, just something to consider, great vid.
Joe Gerlach Yup your are absolutely correct. The way it works here is it goes by what you register the truck for. So let’s say the GVWR is 11,500 you can actually register it for 10,000, 11,000 etc to avoid that.
I just bought a 2019 F250 STX/FX4 crew cab 4x4 with 9k miles and a 10,000 GVW, and the plow package. I test drove a few F350’s and you are correct, they ride about the same.
I was going order a new Chevy Silverado 3500HD 4X4 with standard bed (6'.8"), but the dealer had a last year model 2020 Silverado 2500 HD so they gave me a very good price. I am glad I got it, but I still kind of regret that I did not get the 3500HD. I only tow a 5000 lbs travel trailer, so I got plenty of capacity.
I owned a 2016 RAM 3500 Megacab dually diesel limited with AISIN transmission and it was a very smooth shifting truck, and the truck overall I would say is the best out there, but to each their own.
Good spot on vid. I've had super duty f250 and f350 srw trucks. Both 4x4 both front leaf spring era trucks. I was surprised how much stiffer the 1 ton was over my old 250. Both trucks had pro comp 6.5" lifts. The 250 rode better lifted than it did with stock springs. The 350 I bought lifted. I use both trucks as work trucks the 350 for sure handles loads better. The 350 springs do not flex near as good as the 250 does while driving across uneven land, or rough roads. Unloaded and empty my 350 rides like a log wagon, the 250 didnt. I'm usually always carrying a couple hundred pounds of tools around all the time in the bed, just something I've noticed when I do clean my truck out now and then lol.
I wanted to get a f250. But lately I’ve been thinking a srw 350 is the way to go. And basically you’ve confirmed that for me. Thanks for the advice. And great info in the video!!
workplaytv yeah. I’m really surprised by how little the 250 can tow. I definitely thought it was closer to 16k. But generally the ones I’ve been seeing are only rated for 12k. I’m planning on starting a dumpster rental service using dump trailers. And for a 15k trailer I’d need the 350 to stay legal. I’ve been looking at crew cab long beds. Not sure how much of a difference the crew cab short bed would make. God forbid you get into an accident when you’re over weight. Your insurance company will say you were legal. We can’t cover you in this accident. They often hide that in the fine print.
I almost feel like they’d be better off getting rid of the 250 and the 350 dually. And have a 350 srw. The 150s have really increased in capability to now yow over 10k. Almost 11k. And the 250 can pull 12k. So it’s not a huge jump there. And getting rid of the 350 dually would force people to buy a 450 which is a better truck for towing heavy. Mainly because of the wide track front axle. So you can turn tighter in a 450 then a 350 dually.
Billy bob Smith Hey yeah there still is a big difference in payload between the 250 and 150 if you get more of a base trim and if you get the gasser in the 250 you gain a lot due to the engine being lighter than the driest. For the 350 drw being gone they would then need to make more gear ratios available in the 450 like 3.73, 4.10. I don’t think that truck is going anywhere though. They sell a lot more 350s than 450s.
Yes, I agree with all your statements about the topic, & pickups have changed a lot. My first an 1966 F100 SC, SB gas, & my current one 2006 F350 CC, LB ( 8 ft } OR, Deisel. Still, have my1997 F250 SC, LB, 2WD, Deisel, & its ride is all truck. My 06 F350 was a lot easier on the ride by for, but that rear axal would let you know about road conditions in all trucks. I said all this to shear a fix. I looked into spring damping. I found "Sulastic Spring dampers", and they work. Sulastic added a 1/2 in. to the hight, & doesn't diminish my carrying capability. The ride is even better than my F150 CC, SB( 6.5 ft ) OR, 5.0. Thanks for your article.
The 2020 2500 Silvrado HD’s have similar capacity numbers compared to most F350’s. It’s interesting to see the capabilities of these trucks continue to improve. I’m looking forward to seeing what Ford does with their 2020’s.
Nick Pavlica Yeah for sure it’s pretty crazy! Only thing with the the GM trucks is the independent front suspension can’t handle the abuse of the solid axle.
As for GM 2500hd and 3500hd the differences are more on my 3500hd 2015. The axle, brakes, frame and suspension are not the same and are not interchangeable between the 2 classifications according to auto parts suppliers. Plus, the classification of the 3500hd is "commercial" and the 2500hd is not according to auto insurance companies. This can relate to cheaper insurance premiums for the 3500hd.
Can I ask what the point of a F250 really is here compared to an F150? Is it the engine? I mean... what are you gaining from the 150 to the 250? The stiffer suspension and axles? I’m looking for a new daily driver that will have my full work and sleeping gear. I want a 2017+ F150crewcab+6.6” bed with the 3.5L and 4x4 and a camper shell.
Mike Parlin Huge difference is a 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton. Yeah the payload May be close to the and in this case cause of the diesel weighs a lot. If you get a gas engine your payload will be much more in 250 vs 150. 250 is around 2000ls heavier due to larger stronger frame, larger axles, larger tires, larger brakes. The list goes on and on. Hauling a camper with your family if you want a safe, stable truck that won’t sway all over the road and stop when you need to don’t give the 150 a look. Go straight to a 250 or 350. Honestly no comparison when you haul the same weight in a 150 vs 250.
I feel just like you about regretting going 2500 v 3500 Ram. Price was literally the same but I wasn’t thinking about having room to grow and upgrade my trailer. I fell for the nice ride on the coil spring 2500. I’d advise anyone to go 350/3500 no matter which Mfg they choose.
This is Exactly my issue now. I have a 2012 Ram 2500 MegaCab w/ Cummins. Things a beast, but we are now going to full time RV, dry weight is 14k lbs 40' Grand Design model. My Ram will be WAY over it's payload, which is about 1950 lbs. The Grand D 5th wheel gooseneck is a 2900 lbs. I was shocked, and now upset, since I will miss my PAID OFF truck and esp the Cummins! Looks like the F350 is the choice now, but I will go with the 7.3 gasser XLT since payload is showing about 3700 - 4k lbs based off of Fords workbook. These new Trucks are more than I paid for my first house, lol.
Another point, after the truck is 10 or 15 years old the 350s stiff suspension will be a pinch less stiff and hold up better. I notice the 250s and 350s are worlds apart from half tons 15 years later and still capable useful trucks. I'm going f350 on my next truck
Its been a while, and I don't like doing math in public, but here we go. Assuming the air bags have a diameter of 5" (19.63 sq inch) with only 5psi that would be applying about 98.15 lbs of lift per bag. So the F250 springs are feeling 196.3 lbs less weight than the F350 springs; thus less sag.
I think the 350 dropped a bit more because the the seperate top spring. I ve a feeling that once you hit a certain point, the 350 will stop sagging because you will be using the main springs.
@@workplaytv Really good to do. Btw Ford has a new 6.7 diesel coming out in 2020 along with the 2020 Ford Tremor that will have the new 6.7 diesel and the new 7.3 gas engine. I think they said they'll have them in F250 and F350. No matter what the new 2020s will be a good overhall to a nice engine.
@@workplaytv well it will be an amazing truck with an improved engine. like they really did do a nice improvement to make engine run better and last longer. They added more durable pieces from what i have heard.
The snow plow prep package add the extra spring. Also on your new F350 go with fisher plow. The boss plow frame sets really low while the fisher plow frame sets way higher. I would pick the ford over the dodge less down time. This video was very interesting. keep on trucking
Nick Freyermuth Hey buddy thanks. The snow plow prep doesn’t do anything for read end. Just makes sure you have the 6000lb front end and more cooling. The camper prep adds the extra spring. I’m gonna stick with boss. Taking the mount and everything off and putting on new truck.
yeah you want the snow plow and camper package heavier springs and a rear track bar to keep her level around corners with a load, my old 250 with the rear seat bar was great even overloaded on the rear
The reason why the measurement was off was that the f250 had 20” wheels while the f350 had 18” wheels, otherwise those numbers and your test would have come out good,
@@workplaytv I'm eyeing the 350 with the new 7.3 gas. I like the classic design of that engine. I dont tow much over 10k so I dont think the diesel would be worth the price increase in my case. Do you have a video on your opinion on the 7.3?
Hey..for me as the roads here sucks is the ride....and of course the work you are going to do with it...but both your trucks are real example of work truck usage..regards. ahh by the way the black dip paint on rims of FJ look much better for sure
The top (helper) spring on the 350 won't do anything until it starts hitting the brackets. Anything below that weight and you won't see any/much difference between the 2. Ford has so many spring types (like camper package, plow package etc) that it's hard to compare 2 trucks unless identical packaged.
Thats the overload spring. I just replaced springs on my 2012 F350, the bottom stiff spring and two leaves like the F250 above and the Overload. I think Ford does it for ride quality, but over time the springs sag. I replaced them with 6 leaf 4400# each rated springs, truck rides the same too, but can carry more weight easier than with stock. Now I put 2000 pounds in the bed and the truck is level. It would be on the overload with the overload half way down on the old springs and the nose pointing the way for comets.
@@acdii again, there are many spring combinations that come from factory. If you have options like a camper package or snow plow package you have different stock springs. If you have an long bed crewcab you have different springs. Sure, they can sag over time if they're used . But changing them isn't that hard. And higher rates does affect ride quality. OTherwise ford would slap much higher springs on there and call it good. IT doesn't work that way. This is why they use the overload spring. IT only comes into play when the truck is loaded up and won't affect ride if it's not loaded up.
@@azr2d1 Yeah. and? What does that have to do with what I did with my truck?I took what was on there, replaced it with something else, and noticed no difference in ride quality but big difference in load stance. For that matter, the packs I replaced were 2200 pound rated packs plus overload, the overloads were what gave the suspension the 7000 pound ratings of the GAW. I replaced them with non overload 4400 pound packs. Noticed no different in ride quality. My experience, others YMMV.
Trucks certainly have grown in size and weight. My first F 250 was a 1959 and had a GVW max of 7500 lbs. My 1986 F 350 had a GVW max of 8400 lbs. To get over 10,000 lbs GVW you needed duals in the rear. I'm now retired and drive a Ranger.
machintelligence Hahahahahaha that is an awesome comment!!!
bs ford has f350 with 11500 gvw in a single rear wheel
corb what are you saying bs to buddy
@@corb765 pretty sure he ment way back in 1986 to get over 10k you needed a dually.
lmao I'm 26 and drive a ranger but am saving for a f250. So should I keep it for when I retire? 😂
Scary thing is people try to do some of the scenarios you’ve described with a half ton and have no idea how overloaded their vehicle is.
Hey, pulls just fine! 🤷🏽♂️
Gotta use what you can AFFORD!
Helluva intuitive video that touched on a lot of the points that I’ve been pondering for the F150 vs F250
Morale of story go BIG or go home 💯
I appreciate the heck out of these videos! I think I've watched them all especially on the f350. They were enough to sway me into trading in my f150 and moving up to the f350 diesel. Thanks for all your help answering questions I've had with these vids.
Jonathan Coutu You bet man! Congrats on the new rig!
I’m in the market for a new truck, and this video solidified my choosing a F350.
And yes I’m gonna daily drive that
Thanks for doing a side by side comparison. 👍👍👍🇺🇸
By far the best explanation I’ve ever gotten and I’m super thankful for the video...been looking at super duty for a while and am sold on a 350 being what we go with for that payload
been watching your videos buddy. love the fact i can keep one channel for 250 and 350. thinking of buying a camper puller and hunting rig.
I bought a new 2020 f350 based entirely on your presentation and I’m very happy I did. Thank you from Flagstaff Arizona.
Awesome glad to hear you don’t hate me! Haha
The best video I've seen so far comparing the key differences between the 250 and 350. Like the old saying goes, if in doubt always go bigger, and that certainly applies here. Thanks buddy for uploading it 👍👍thumbs up from me 🙂
It’s only a grand to jump up to a 350 so I don’t get why people go with a 250.
Great video, definitely will helped me out on making my decision. Thank you.
Man, love your video’s. Your explanations are really easy to understand for us laymen’s. Saving up for my F350 and now have to ask myself what I’ll really be using it for.
truckinhell Hey thanks man!! You will love the 350! Diesel or gas?
It’s always little dick men who have no use for a 350 that want a 350. We heard your cry for help you’re a baby dick man
Changed my mind and getting a 350, thanks!
What a great video i’ve been trying to find out this information for so long thanks so much
Just watched the video. Now, gonna go back and write down your formulas so I can REALLY understand the weights! Thanks for your hard work (both life and RV)! Y'all Be Safe in Nova Scotia!
Raymond Schneider Thanks man
Dude thank you so much for all this information. This answered every damn question I've been scouring the internet for. Subscribed just off this one video
Great Video of a apples to apples black and white explanation. That red 250 matches my F150 3.5 ecoboost payload at 1800+. Crazy. Also showed how important air bags are. Thanks for the video!
Keep in mind that air bags don’t add to payload or tow ratings. They simply level the truck back out for a more comfortable ride.
Thanks, that's exactly what I want to know.
I agree with you 100%. Unless you are in a more bare bones 250 you are going over payload quickly. The ride is hardly different. Go for the 350. Keep up the excellent job
When loaded up for a camping trip or work trip the ride is virtually the same.
Load the trailer onto the F250 and then let the air out of the air bags with a load on it.
Great video and explanation of payloads and GVWRs. Well done. Trucks have gotten very heavy in the last decade or so - especially diesels. Not only is the engine heavy but all of the emissions "junk" adds weight too. Fords new 7.3 V8 Gasser will be worth a look I think!
The 7.3 gas is definitely worth a look if you don't need the torque for towing the diesel gives on a regular basis, or if you live in a climate that regularly goes below freezing, where diesel tends to gel up.
Here’s my thinking... If you’re pulling a travel trailer, then you’ll probably be OK with a diesel F250. If you’re pulling a fifth wheel camper up to 12,000 lbs. you’re probably OK with a gasser F250 unless you pull in the mountains or you want a lot of bling in the truck. If you’re towing a fifth wheel camper over 12,000 lbs. you need a diesel engine and to have enough payload you have to have at least a F350.
My wife called me and asked “watch ya doin?”
I am watching a guy from Nova Scotia tow heavy shit in his Pickup truck. She said “oooh kay, see you later”
I find your videos oddly satisfying.
Hahahahaha awesome
Dude. Freaking great video. Definitely helped me make a decision. Thank you
Great video. I’m helping a friend make a decision on a new truck and the 350 makes a lot of sense for him.
Perfect
This is a very good video from an actual owner's perspective. Not something you see everyday since most people do not own so many SuperDuty trucks.
Ken L. Glad to help!
I just went to congratulate you sir. Owning two dream trucks. Dream house. Your killing it brother.
Shopped 250 vs 350 earlier this year. Price differential was literally $1,000. I bought the 250, contemplating only need to tow my existing boat, utility trailer (SXS and wheelers) and/or travel trailer. No big deal. Immediately started looking at fifth wheel toy hauler and realized that hitch weight was over payload. In hindsight, wish I'd gotten the 350 just to give myself more options.
Your video is very helpful. Great comparison between a 3/4 and 1 ton truck. The only thing sucks about getting the 1 ton is, as you briefly mentioned in your video, is that you pay more for tax and registration. However, in my opinion, if I were to get a 1 ton truck (350 or 3500), I would go all the way and get the 2-wheel drive dually (only around $1400 USD option). Dually is not good on snow or sand, so save some money by opting for the 2-wheel drive.
Great video.
The 350 didn't drop much as it's made to keep a bit of a smoother ride until enough weight puts it to the other springs in the pack. Kind of like a progressive coil spring, lighter and more responsive then progressively stronger as it gets more into the springs.
Wow. Ty very much for this. I am about to get my new tank and I was trying to determine which way to go. I am small, with small dogs and will have a light Kimbo slide in camper. I want gobs of power and payload to spare for us and our little backpack fort. Thx a lot man. This was super cool and useful. Ty for caring enough to take the time. I like your shirt, and, you are a BABE. Just sayin. Cheers from Ventura, Cali. 💥💥👊🏻
Jodie York Hahaha Thanks. Enjoy the new truck
Thank you for this detailed and thoughtful review. It was quite useful for me.
I think the frame is thicker thru out on the 350 as well that’s why it may feel stiffer but granted carrying weight should smoothe’n out. Great video!
About the best explanation I've seen. Definitely going with the 350 but going with the 6.2L which will also add some payload capacity. Thank you sir.
Very informational video. I see it’s a year old video but still relevant. Thx. I just test drove a 2020 4 x 4 crew cab F2 50 with 6.7 Diesel and the same set up F 350. They both have the same number springs to include the helper spring. Because the F2 50 had the towing package with the new for 2020 pro back up assist trailer the round knob to steer the trailer without the steering well the F3 50 had The pro assist but not the trailer package. Lariet package on both. Both also had the 3 inch receiver under the bumper for a 3 inch hitch.
I believe the GVWR on the 350 said 11,500 lbs and the 250 said 10,800 lbs.
Other 250 diesel on the lot had 10,000 GVWR.
Both of these are new and I test drove the 350 First and this is my actual first time driving a diesel and my first thought was it drove kind of clunky for the test drive and at that point I was thinking of keeping my F150 and finding a lighter travel trailer. Not sure why the 350 felt clunky but it was a recent dealer trade for another Ford SUV the salesman said and had 480 miles which 240 of it was from driving it from Ohio to the dealer for the trade. So that seemed weird. I told the salesman if I was spending 70 K range I only something that was brand new with close to 0 miles so who knows what happened with the unknown mileage at hand. Generally people and/or a dealer could trade in their problem for something else so that could’ve been the case maybe it had something going on with it that they’re not gonna say otherwise they would not get the trade they wanted.
I’ve then drove the F2 50 and it actually felt like it drove equal to or slightly better than my F150. I knew at that point the F2 50 the only way to go. It was more than enough towing capacity for anything I would venture into. I ended up purchasing the F2 50 for a future travel trailer use but I wanted to be comfortable while driving plus The towing set up on it was just slightly lower than 350 but also much higher than the standard F250.
Extremely helpful review. Thanks so much for all the information from a working man's perspective.
James Sanders Very happy to help!
You can get the overload spring on the F-250 also with the camper package.
Wow very informative. It’s crazy how the 350 isn’t even that much more expensive when I was shopping around.
This was extremely helpful, thank you
Really good comparison!
I was wondering about the drive difference between the 250 & 350. Thanks for that info!
They drive the same
You taught me a lot! thanks so much!
I have a 2019 350 platinum 6.7. My cargo capacity is 255lbs less than your xlt 350, just for reference what options can add weight Wise. I drove both the 250 and 350 when I was ordering and honestly could tell no difference in ride. I went wit the 350 for the exact reasons you said, but also it's only $1000 difference between the two on a platinum, and I live in Illinois where the registration costs are the same between the two. Some states charge more after you are over 10 or 11k gvw. Nice comparison! So glad I have the 350!
jnuechte Hey sounds like a beautiful truck and you made the right choice. All the options add weight, all the fancy features like power seats, massaging seats, all electrical components, the sunroof adds weight, power steps adds weight due to wiring. If all adds up quick.
Hey, great video! Thanks for the real world examples.
This video shows exactly why I got a Ram 3500 (SRW). Nowadays, everybody's so called "3/4-ton" trucks are really just detuned 1-ton trucks; usually a slightly less strong axle & springs so as to lower the GVWR. In the case of General Motors, the GMT-800 generation trucks were pretty much the last generation that had a 3/4-ton chassis; by that, I mean the frame rail's steel was a thicker gauge than a 1/2-ton frame, but not as thick as a 1-ton frame & therefore would not be too heavy of a truck; the 3/4-tons also only had a semi-floating Dana 44 rear axle & the 2500-HD & 3500's had the full-floating Dana 60 rear axle. Notice with newer GM trucks since 2008 (the beginning of the GMT-900 generation), does not have "2500" anymore, but rather, 2500-HD. That is because 2500-HD still means today what it meant when GM first came out with the moniker at the beginning of the GMT-800 generation. That is, the 2500-HD was a detuned 1-ton; people back in the GMT-800 generation would say that the 2500-HD was a single rear wheel 1-ton & that is not true! It's a 1-ton frame & 1-ton axles, BUT, slightly detuned at the springs. I remember in the early 2000's when you built a Silverado/ Sierra on the website, there was no option for it on the website to make an SRW 3500, BUT, you could still order a single rear wheel 3500 from the dealer. The only other reason the 2500-HD was more common was because one always gets a better deal when buying off the lot; if you wanted a diesel engine, AND, you only wanted single rear wheels, the lots more commonly had in stock the 2500-HD.
I agree so much I don't even know why there is a 3/4 ton truck. payload is what everybody should be looking at.
Always had 350s just bought a 250 at third of cost and found it has the 350 springs 350 blocks but no over load springs . I ordered timbrens and that should help when pulling camper. All I tow is under 10,000 lbs . Also the 20s have more weight capacity than 17s . I swapped to 17s for better gear ratio as i have 373 with the 6.2 gas. My 6.0l I run 18s .
I appreciate the payload and tou gue weight discussion! The video I watched before your just talked about physical features and not capacities
One thing though-I read that the F350 or one-ton has many USA jurisdictions mandating a "commercial" insurance on them.
Back in 2010-12 when I was looking to get commercial insurance on my Chevy Astro Van in order to perform courier work for hire, I was quated $5,350.00 USD. I was paying just $625.00/Year regular insurance: over a nine-fold increase for commercial. Chicago, Illinois, USA location
Another thing to consider in comparing the 250 vs. 350 is your gvw in regards to your gcwr. In many states you need a class “A” drivers license over a certain weight, and they go by the trucks rated weight, in many instances using the 350, it will put you over the limits of a standard drivers license, just something to consider, great vid.
Joe Gerlach Yup your are absolutely correct. The way it works here is it goes by what you register the truck for. So let’s say the GVWR is 11,500 you can actually register it for 10,000, 11,000 etc to avoid that.
I just bought a 2019 F250 STX/FX4 crew cab 4x4 with 9k miles and a 10,000 GVW, and the plow package. I test drove a few F350’s and you are correct, they ride about the same.
I was going order a new Chevy Silverado 3500HD 4X4 with standard bed (6'.8"), but the dealer had a last year model 2020 Silverado 2500 HD so they gave me a very good price. I am glad I got it, but I still kind of regret that I did not get the 3500HD.
I only tow a 5000 lbs travel trailer, so I got plenty of capacity.
I owned a 2016 RAM 3500 Megacab dually diesel limited with AISIN transmission and it was a very smooth shifting truck, and the truck overall I would say is the best out there, but to each their own.
Thank you for this!
Good spot on vid. I've had super duty f250 and f350 srw trucks. Both 4x4 both front leaf spring era trucks. I was surprised how much stiffer the 1 ton was over my old 250. Both trucks had pro comp 6.5" lifts. The 250 rode better lifted than it did with stock springs. The 350 I bought lifted. I use both trucks as work trucks the 350 for sure handles loads better. The 350 springs do not flex near as good as the 250 does while driving across uneven land, or rough roads. Unloaded and empty my 350 rides like a log wagon, the 250 didnt. I'm usually always carrying a couple hundred pounds of tools around all the time in the bed, just something I've noticed when I do clean my truck out now and then lol.
EPcustom concrete works Hahaha yeah every-once in awhile.
Great vid. I learned that the 350 has larger dia. rear axle.
My f150 xlt has same payload as that 250.
Yea.....I'm gettin the 350 next!
Awesome video mate, sounds like the 350 is the way to go.
Would love to see this for F350 vs F250 with heavy tow package
I learned a lot from this video. Thx.
Thanks for all the info
I wanted to get a f250. But lately I’ve been thinking a srw 350 is the way to go. And basically you’ve confirmed that for me. Thanks for the advice. And great info in the video!!
Billy bob Smith Yeah for sure when in doubt go for the 350 you will
Be happy
workplaytv yeah. I’m really surprised by how little the 250 can tow. I definitely thought it was closer to 16k. But generally the ones I’ve been seeing are only rated for 12k. I’m planning on starting a dumpster rental service using dump trailers. And for a 15k trailer I’d need the 350 to stay legal.
I’ve been looking at crew cab long beds. Not sure how much of a difference the crew cab short bed would make.
God forbid you get into an accident when you’re over weight. Your insurance company will say you were legal. We can’t cover you in this accident. They often hide that in the fine print.
I almost feel like they’d be better off getting rid of the 250 and the 350 dually. And have a 350 srw. The 150s have really increased in capability to now yow over 10k. Almost 11k. And the 250 can pull 12k. So it’s not a huge jump there. And getting rid of the 350 dually would force people to buy a 450 which is a better truck for towing heavy. Mainly because of the wide track front axle. So you can turn tighter in a 450 then a 350 dually.
Billy bob Smith Hey yeah there still is a big difference in payload between the 250 and 150 if you get more of a base trim and if you get the gasser in the 250 you gain a lot due to the engine being lighter than the driest.
For the 350 drw being gone they would then need to make more gear ratios available in the 450 like 3.73, 4.10. I don’t think that truck is going anywhere though. They sell a lot more 350s than 450s.
You do excellent vids, thank you. No nonsense, straight to it, and you explain your preferences well.
Yes, I agree with all your statements about the topic, & pickups have changed a lot. My first an 1966 F100 SC, SB gas, & my current one 2006 F350 CC, LB ( 8 ft } OR, Deisel. Still, have my1997 F250 SC, LB, 2WD, Deisel, & its ride is all truck. My 06 F350 was a lot easier on the ride by for, but that rear axal would let you know about road conditions in all trucks. I said all this to shear a fix. I looked into spring damping. I found "Sulastic Spring dampers", and they work. Sulastic added a 1/2 in. to the hight, & doesn't diminish my carrying capability. The ride is even better than my F150 CC, SB( 6.5 ft ) OR, 5.0. Thanks for your article.
Michael Hey I will check those out for sure! Thanks for commenting
@@workplaytv I drive my F350 more than my F150, both are CC, OR. Sulastic made a difference.
Awesome information much appreciated
Excellent video thanks!
Exactly what I’m struggling with now!
Dave Lindo If your struggling it’s an easy decision. Go 350.
buy the 350 but if you dont use Timbrens im rear.
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If you get the snow plow/ camper pkg. on the 250, you get the overload springs in rear.
FalvyPollard Yuo your right. You can’t get the camper package on the 20” wheels.
If you get an F250 with camper package it comes with the F350 leak pack giving you a payload of 2850 lbs (XLT super cab gas).
The 2020 2500 Silvrado HD’s have similar capacity numbers compared to most F350’s. It’s interesting to see the capabilities of these trucks continue to improve. I’m looking forward to seeing what Ford does with their 2020’s.
Nick Pavlica Yeah for sure it’s pretty crazy! Only thing with the the GM trucks is the independent front suspension can’t handle the abuse of the solid axle.
As for GM 2500hd and 3500hd the differences are more on my 3500hd 2015. The axle, brakes, frame and suspension are not the same and are not interchangeable between the 2 classifications according to auto parts suppliers. Plus, the classification of the 3500hd is "commercial" and the 2500hd is not according to auto insurance companies. This can relate to cheaper insurance premiums for the 3500hd.
The payload numbers are blowing my mind...the diesels kick ass for towing but it knocks your payload back big time
john doe Yeah in a 250 it really hurts ya. You get the 350 you are good to go!
@@workplaytv until you get a 350 gas and get close to 5000 lbs payload srw, if you dont tow over 15k the diesel doesn't make a lot of sense
Alex Mills Maybe the 7.3 will back that up but I find the 6.2 underpowered and very hard on fuel.
Can I ask what the point of a F250 really is here compared to an F150? Is it the engine? I mean... what are you gaining from the 150 to the 250? The stiffer suspension and axles? I’m looking for a new daily driver that will have my full work and sleeping gear. I want a 2017+ F150crewcab+6.6” bed with the 3.5L and 4x4 and a camper shell.
Mike Parlin Huge difference is a 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton. Yeah the payload May be close to the and in this case cause of the diesel weighs a lot. If you get a gas engine your payload will be much more in 250 vs 150. 250 is around 2000ls heavier due to larger stronger frame, larger axles, larger tires, larger brakes. The list goes on and on. Hauling a camper with your family if you want a safe, stable truck that won’t sway all over the road and stop when you need to don’t give the 150 a look. Go straight to a 250 or 350. Honestly no comparison when you haul the same weight in a 150 vs 250.
Good demo and explanation
I feel just like you about regretting going 2500 v 3500 Ram. Price was literally the same but I wasn’t thinking about having room to grow and upgrade my trailer. I fell for the nice ride on the coil spring 2500. I’d advise anyone to go 350/3500 no matter which Mfg they choose.
supperterofsanity I agree man!
This is Exactly my issue now. I have a 2012 Ram 2500 MegaCab w/ Cummins. Things a beast, but we are now going to full time RV, dry weight is 14k lbs 40' Grand Design model. My Ram will be WAY over it's payload, which is about 1950 lbs. The Grand D 5th wheel gooseneck is a 2900 lbs. I was shocked, and now upset, since I will miss my PAID OFF truck and esp the Cummins! Looks like the F350 is the choice now, but I will go with the 7.3 gasser XLT since payload is showing about 3700 - 4k lbs based off of Fords workbook. These new Trucks are more than I paid for my first house, lol.
Great video! Thank you!
Another point, after the truck is 10 or 15 years old the 350s stiff suspension will be a pinch less stiff and hold up better.
I notice the 250s and 350s are worlds apart from half tons 15 years later and still capable useful trucks. I'm going f350 on my next truck
Very helpful. I am in that dilemma...Thanks.
Great video! Funny how that F250 has the same payload as my F150.
Its been a while, and I don't like doing math in public, but here we go. Assuming the air bags have a diameter of 5" (19.63 sq inch) with only 5psi that would be applying about 98.15 lbs of lift per bag. So the F250 springs are feeling 196.3 lbs less weight than the F350 springs; thus less sag.
awesome video. Convinced me to go with an F350 since the cost difference isnt too much
Great explanation
Great comparison! Would probably get a 350 over a 250 now after watching this.
Even with 5 psi in the bags, you're increasing the spring capacity by about 500 lbs. That's your difference.
I think the 350 dropped a bit more because the the seperate top spring. I ve a feeling that once you hit a certain point, the 350 will stop sagging because you will be using the main springs.
It also depends how your trailer axles are placed. My travel trailer is 9600 max and my tongue weight is 790.
We own a ram 3500 when there’s not a load on it. The ride is not as good but when there’s a load it’s smooth as can be
Got a 250 with the 7.3. Have a 3,004 lbs payload capacity. Good enough for what i need
I split the difference. I bought the XL 250 so my payload is 2390. Works for the family + a camper.
This was a great video and btw you have amazing trucks. Both seem to be well maintained and both are awesome trucks.
Spartan 212 Thanks you. Oh yeah I try to stay on top of maintenance
@@workplaytv Really good to do. Btw Ford has a new 6.7 diesel coming out in 2020 along with the 2020 Ford Tremor that will have the new 6.7 diesel and the new 7.3 gas engine. I think they said they'll have them in F250 and F350. No matter what the new 2020s will be a good overhall to a nice engine.
Spartan 212 Yeah for sure I posted a video 2 days ago that is about me ordering one.
@@workplaytv well it will be an amazing truck with an improved engine. like they really did do a nice improvement to make engine run better and last longer. They added more durable pieces from what i have heard.
Spartan 212 Yeah for sure this engine has come a long way! Be interesting to see
The snow plow prep package add the extra spring. Also on your new F350 go with fisher plow. The boss plow frame sets really low while the fisher plow frame sets way higher. I would pick the ford over the dodge less down time. This video was very interesting. keep on trucking
Nick Freyermuth Hey buddy thanks. The snow plow prep doesn’t do anything for read end. Just makes sure you have the 6000lb front end and more cooling. The camper prep adds the extra spring. I’m gonna stick with boss. Taking the mount and everything off and putting on new truck.
yeah you want the snow plow and camper package heavier springs and a rear track bar to keep her level around corners with a load, my old 250 with the rear seat bar was great even overloaded on the rear
good video comparing the two
great vid... thanks bro
The reason why the measurement was off was that the f250 had 20” wheels while the f350 had 18” wheels, otherwise those numbers and your test would have come out good,
Nice video. I think you are the first I have seen that showed that premium packages add significant amount of weight. Very interesting
kmcclarney Hey man for sure! Thanks for watching and glad to help.
@@workplaytv I'm eyeing the 350 with the new 7.3 gas. I like the classic design of that engine. I dont tow much over 10k so I dont think the diesel would be worth the price increase in my case. Do you have a video on your opinion on the 7.3?
kmcclarney No big yet I need to drive one first and see what I think. With what you have told me you sounds like your making the right choice
@@workplaytv thanks for the great advice. Keep up the good videos.
thanks for the info..
Hey..for me as the roads here sucks is the ride....and of course the work you are going to do with it...but both your trucks are real example of work truck usage..regards. ahh by the way the black dip paint on rims of FJ look much better for sure
You bet buddy!
The top (helper) spring on the 350 won't do anything until it starts hitting the brackets. Anything below that weight and you won't see any/much difference between the 2. Ford has so many spring types (like camper package, plow package etc) that it's hard to compare 2 trucks unless identical packaged.
Thats the overload spring. I just replaced springs on my 2012 F350, the bottom stiff spring and two leaves like the F250 above and the Overload. I think Ford does it for ride quality, but over time the springs sag. I replaced them with 6 leaf 4400# each rated springs, truck rides the same too, but can carry more weight easier than with stock. Now I put 2000 pounds in the bed and the truck is level. It would be on the overload with the overload half way down on the old springs and the nose pointing the way for comets.
@@acdii again, there are many spring combinations that come from factory. If you have options like a camper package or snow plow package you have different stock springs. If you have an long bed crewcab you have different springs. Sure, they can sag over time if they're used . But changing them isn't that hard. And higher rates does affect ride quality. OTherwise ford would slap much higher springs on there and call it good. IT doesn't work that way. This is why they use the overload spring. IT only comes into play when the truck is loaded up and won't affect ride if it's not loaded up.
@@azr2d1 Yeah. and? What does that have to do with what I did with my truck?I took what was on there, replaced it with something else, and noticed no difference in ride quality but big difference in load stance. For that matter, the packs I replaced were 2200 pound rated packs plus overload, the overloads were what gave the suspension the 7000 pound ratings of the GAW. I replaced them with non overload 4400 pound packs. Noticed no different in ride quality. My experience, others YMMV.
I have a 2018 f250 lariat with 3:73 gears and same spring setup as your 350. My payload is 3083.
Beautiful superdutys! I WANT A POWERSTROKE!
Some of our dealers dont even bring the F250 in, they just order the F350’s, they are too close in price to bother with the 250.
Very well done 👍