@@clayton5584 shoot I'm so proud I found a truck that has been parked in a barn for 15 years. Original owner got sick, he sold it to me for 4k it looks brand new has never seen snow salt or rain. And only has 10k miles. 05 ram 1500 4.7l slt 4x4. I need it to tow, been using my primary vehicle a 09 Ford edge that I've maintained immaculately, but at 189k miles the trans is due for a rebuild, and the water pump is going to need to b done as well, both are major jobs. Found a local shop that does great work ill have them do this extensive stuff.
IMO... all these vehicles are just WAY overpriced, complicated, have lots of computerized features that are certainly destined to malfunction. I'm just not buying into all of that.
@@NUTZJ98 Check into the reliability of diesel engines (especially Fords) over the past 10 years. They're junk after 150K. Previous versions like the 7.3L go a million miles.
Finally someone who’s honest about their truck. I’m a former diesel mechanic and I couldn’t come up with any way to justify the diesel over the gas. If you just want way more power than you need and don’t care how much it costs, that’s great, just go for it. If you aren’t hauling full time near the maximum tow rating there is not a case for a diesel based just on economics.
Ok, what about FWD, most new Super Duties that I see have it. Why? I’ve pulled a 5th wheel for 10 years now and never once said “I could sure use FWD right now”. Why so many FWDs?
4x4 is one of those things you don't need... until you need it. It's almost like an insurance policy. I've only needed it a few times but boy those couple of times I REALLY needed it.
@@WanderingWeekends I can't help but comment, but if you are in more rugged areas, a 4X4 is worth the extra money and maintenance. I am not a "mudder", but I do camp in areas that are more primitive that campgrounds with all the amenities. They both have their place for a camping person who likes the variety. In rugged areas that have had a lot of rain, the four wheel drive systems can make the difference.
Still driving my 96' chevy 2500 with 245,000 miles.Bought it new,changed oil ever 3k miles and it runs great.Need a new fuel pmp and had trans rebuilt 2x.The best thing is it has been driving this pu pymt free for the last 20 yrs.What's coming in the economy better watch that cash outgo.
The stupid price of the new diesels are crazy. 75K. And you're making another house payment for something that loses it's value. I've got an 2001 F250 diesel, I'll drive it forever! It's been paid for?
EPA ruined diesels and that was their inn intent. Used to be diesels were simple, diesel fuel was much less, and they lasted longer. Now gas engines are simpler, gasoline is cheaper, and gas engines have less problems over time and are cheaper in the first place. I went from diesel VW cars back to gas. Simpler, less problems, cheaper. I'd still rather have a diesel though. Oh, still have a 7.3 Excursion 😉
When I bought my first Diesel, it was before the 2007 EPA change and diesel was always less than regular. Out here it's bee relatively cheap until recently. I"ve paid less than $2 many times, now it's $2.40/gallon
I own a 1997 Ford 7.3 and I bought it recently with 48k miles on it. I paid a premium price but I think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately every where I go, I recieve offers to buy it. And obviously I need it or I wouldn't have spent so much time and money looking for it
New diesel pickups are way better than the old ones. The only people who are mad are the bros that need the truck to make up for their lack of masculinity.
I traded my 2018 F-250 diesel back in March 2020 for the almost exact same truck, exact same reasons. I traded for a 2020 F-350 STX 7.3 10 speed with 3.73 gear. It is my daily driver (retired) and I love it. The diesel I had was a great truck with no issues, just very expensive to maintain and higher fuel cost. I had to make regular inconvenient "road trips" down the highway to allow complete regens, as I do a lot of in town driving currently. Wasted a lot of time and fuel to accommodate this all too common "maintenance." Regens must occur every 200-300 miles, and last for about 20-30 minutes. During regen, fuel mileage is approx 11 mpg at 60 mph. My concern was expensive and inconvenient failures/repairs down the road. We pull an 8k travel trailer about once a month currently, and the 2020 7.3 does a great job, although I do miss that awesome diesel torque pulling hills. I am a retired shop supervisor who was an ASE certified Master Automotive Technician for 35+ yrs, and ASE certified Master School Bus Technician for 25+ years. If you buy a new diesel, buy the extended warranty. You will be glad you did, and I hope your trucks diesel emission failures happen close to home. Remember how bad the cars were back in the 1980's? It took 10+ years for the manufacturer's to finally get through the gas emissions failures and get them right. The diesel manufacturer's have been trying since early 2000's, they still are not there, and I am not sure they ever will be. All the diesel guy's have accomplished is producing gobs of power through technology with reduced reliability. The engine block assembly may "live forever," but everything attached to it will fail, expensively. Bottom line, if you are pulling very heavy all the time, the diesel is a forced best choice. If you are pulling less than 12k, there are options that more practical, reliable, and fiscally responsible. My humble opinion based on a lifetime of trying to keep vehicles safe, reliable, and on the road. Safe travels!
The gas would be fine but Ford needs to offer a larger gas tank with the short box, the 34 gal tank just not cutting it, 250 mile range pulling 30 ft trailer is not good when going cross country, 50 gal would be sweet
Diesels are money pits. Not 1 square inch of it lasts longer than a gas truck with same chasis. Diesels costs thousands to repair. Gas a few hundred. The worst part is the new emissions on the diesels $$$$$$$$ Nobody can justify a diesel unless its earning you money every mile you drive it. You can buy all the gas you need for the diffrence in MSRP and MAINTENANCE. I depend on trucks for a living. I'm speaking from 40yrs of experience. I'll say it again ... unless that diesel is earning you money every mile you drive it ... its a money pit. Every joker in the world wants a diesel today because its the cool thing. 2/3rds of the diesels sold today will never see a real work day.
Diesel without emissions were the best. It is all about where it makes the power and the gearing is huge too. I don’t do payments so I’ll live vicariously through you.
Exactly why I'll never get rid of my 1997 Dodge 2500 Diesel. Upgraded some things so it pulls like a beast. No emissions/DEF. And best of all, no payments!
I don't do payments either. If a person invested $600 a month vs making car payments over 10, 20 or 30 years it comes out to $120k, $430k, or $1.2 million respectively... I just can’t justify giving up $1.2 million in retirement to keep a new car in the driveway.
Now I find this, damn :) just placed a build order for a 2021 F-350 loaded King Ranch Diesel and yes the main reason for the build was I could not find what I wanted on the lots and the 2020 builds are closed. The first thing I will add is the S&B 60 Gal Diesel tank, the range will be awesome. Sorry I wanted a future proof truck no matter what I might tow now or later.
@@cellpat7392 I sure like mine. I've had 2 of them, an 01 and my 05 that I have now. I know of a company in town that has one with a service bed on the back with tons of idle time and it has over 330,000 miles on it.
Very nice truck! I ended up doing just the opposite this summer. I had a 2017 one ton Ram SRW that pulled my previous 5th wheel that was 34' long. It did the job fine but getting in and out of gas stations on long trips was a nightmare sometimes. I was also only getting 8-9mpg towing. Now I have a 37' 5th wheel and my mileage with the heavier RV was 6mpg. So I bought a 2020 3/4 ton Chevrolet diesel. Like you, because of Covid, I got a smokin deal on the new truck and trade in. But I understand where you're coming from! Fortunately my wife and I are retired and we have a 2017 Ford Escape as our daily driver. The truck will be our tow vehicle and snow vehicle when the weather is bad here in Western NY and we'll enjoy good gas mileage at all other times. My advise to anyone that is thinking about a different vehicle or RV is to get whatever works best for your situation because everyone's situation will be different.
Don't worry about the expense you'll get it all back at resale...... Buying diesels again was the best thing I ever did. Did I say I can actually move in traffic.
@@j.l.salayao8055 I bought my 2016 F350 single axle lariat used with 21000 miles from a small dealership I had used before who specializes in trucks. It was deleted and had been programmed professionally. I service regularly. First item was batteries yep two at a time. Then time for tires two at a time BFGs. All good right? Well at the 70k Mark knock in tranny. Bang! New Tranny 😱. Major malfunction warning a 1000 miles later. TCM. New programmer. Fun fun fun. She’s fine now but what a bad run of issues. Best advice just like with RV make friends with GOOD repair person. Dealerships are not your friend 😳
Confused on why your paying so much to maintain a diesel. Shell rotella goes on sale for $40 a bucket , that makes oil changes. Filters are $15. Fuel filter is $15. Other than that, it has almost all the same maintenance cost.
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 diesels were never meant to run clean: learn about how many cleaning components it takes to make them run clean...dumbass
@@timm9114 if you're comparing to a gasoline engine you are wrong it burns much cleaner than regular gasoline if you want something that really lasts long build yourself a propane engine
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 diesel burns more efficiently. It gets more power from the fuel. The fuel has more particulate and NOx emissions however. That's why VW got in trouble. They couldn't get the power while running clean so they cheated.
Diesel is great if you are pulling heavy loads or heavy trailers most of the time. So if you are driving hundreds miles a week highway going across the nation them diesel is great. They pull loads really good going over high mountain passes with big loads. Higher fuel costs, higher oil change, higher investment in the truck. Get a gas truck for most of the people.
maintenance is simpler, and the fuel economy savings rally isn't that big of a deal when the truck cost $15k more just for the diesel engine in the first place
Love my new 2021 F250 6.7L Turbo Diesel. Towing out West, it’s simply the best. So, you can bake this cake however you want but I get a kick out of all you guys buying $60,000 to $70,000 trucks and splitting hairs over maintenance costs and gas mileage. You can find pro’s and con’s to anything. One guy says the EPA has killed diesels. In case you haven't heard, Biden has declared war on gas/oil too. At some point, this debate is like picking fly sh- out of pepper. If you’ve ever owned a gasser Class A motorhome and then upgraded to a diesel, you know the truth in the difference between the two. The bottom line, there is no wrong answer. To each his own.
This was a timely video. I was debating between diesel and cost of maintenance and a gasser at the the 250 or 2500 level of truck. Thanks so much for putting this out. I guess I could look up what is the payload of the truck and did you add any additional suspension upgrades. Many thanks and keep the great videos coming. A fan in Canada.
@@WanderingWeekends I am also moving away from Diesel. I currently have great 2020 F350 DRW 6.7. I have not once pulled the trailer but do carry up to about 3300 lbs. I thought payload was bit higher. I am looking into 2023 F350 SRW 7.3 , 3,73. 11,400 ( SRW ) This will be my daily driver. I will skip the following - moon roof, FX4, 5th wheel prep. It will save me lots money and time. Do you use regular Unlead gasoline for your truck?
I am still driving 2000 F250 V10. Its a disaster at the gas pumps but it cranks and drives everyday. Its my work truck. 279k. Original engine and transmission. Most I tow is around 8k. I didnt get the 7.3 because of the fumes. Irritates me no end. If you maintain a gasser, it'll last. Then again, people dont really keep things like they used too, everything is disposable.
Same here. The diesel is great of your towing heavy back and fourth across the country but I just didn’t need that anymore. I tow a 7,000 pound camper up and down mountains in WV without a hint of a issue with the gas 250. Of your towing a 16 thousand pound 5th wheel 100 percent diesel
I'm going with the 7.3 gas engine, I don't want to deal with the maintenance or DEF fluid of the diesel. I will still keep my old 2008 F250 for a work truck. Another advantage of the gasser is that I travel in some remote areas exploring and have always found a friendly one pump country store that always has gas but no diesel.
There are always the older pre-emissions trucks, but then you've got other risk factors at play. I love my old 2003 diesel Excursion, but it won't always be worth putting money into. As of right now it is my only option for towing a large TT and family of 6. Unless I want to go new crew cab and repurpose one of my kids into a armrest/cup holder.
Diesels may perform better, but I refuse to buy a new one because of the emissions issues, and I refuse to buy a used one (unless it's a chassis cab, and it's under $8K) as most of them have been riced out by high school kids with daddy's money.
This seems like more of a Godzilla vs diesel than gas vs diesel discussion. The 6.x gas engines didn't do so well on the gauntlet iirc. Those 6.x trucks aren't holding value as well either. I've got a 6 year 100k bumper to bumper warranty on my diesel and using it as a daily driver, i love it so far. First oil/filter change was free. The truck (2020 2500 HD High Country) also sips DEF. Also, the Chevy dealer quoted a lil over $200 for the oil/filter change, where are all these $400 oil change comments coming from...ford/dodge?
I 've watched you before but today I subscribed because of your new truck. I bought a 2020 F250 last month to tow my travel trailer better than my F150 did.
If it fits you're needs, and sounds like you got a great deal, then why not. The 7.3 looks just like my 7.3L Powerstroke but with spark plugs, good marketing on Ford's part, riding the success of the old diesel 7.3L
Jay, never said it didn't. Can't compare trucks that are almost 20 years difference in technology. Just stated how I think it was a good marketing point on the size of the engine.
Also did the same, came from a diesel back into a hd gas. Truck is solely a tow truck/plow truck/hardware store truck and not a DD. Gas engines have vastly improved.
I bought a 2019 F350 6.2. Love it! Diesels are just too expensive all around. We are only weekend or week camping and I just don’t need that much truck. If we were full timers driving cross country etc. I might’ve pulled the trigger on a diesel. I do enjoy that my gasser is much easier in the pocketbook for maintenance. Major plus. It pulls my #8500 trailer just fine.
If the 7.3 was available in "17 when I bought my XLT, I would have gone with it but my 6.2 tows our 12k lb. Keystone Cougar fine....it's a bit slow going uphill at times but I'm not trying to go hell bent for election either.
You have to add def to the fuel cost. Sometimes diesel is hard to find in the boonies. If you do find it in the boonies, it may be contaminated which can destroy injectors if your fuel filter is not the best. Diesel mechanics are sometimes very hard to find in the boonies. Parts are more expensive. Labor is more expensive. He now has disk brakes on his camper, so the exhaust brake is really not needed, especially with such a light trailer. The only other argument for the diesel is longevity. Diesels can go for 2, 3, 4. or 500 thousand miles or even more depending on the engine. I would say that is the greatest pro for the diesel.
Diesels aren’t what they use to be. The EPA killed them. Sure, you’ll probably get a good 125-175k miles before things go south, but man oh man, when they go south it’s HIGH DOLLAR! If you buy some be, then make sure you open a separate savings account where you put $100 a month in.
Yes diesels have more torque and get better mileage. BUT as he said in the video, this gasser has torque of diesels of less than 20 years ago. In fact this torque matches torque of some big rig diesels of many years ago. But the cost differential, another $8,500 on top of the gasser, is a big nut. Do you realize how much you need to drive the diesel for that mileage differential to pay for the diesel?
@@tkilg7169 DEF cost on a diesel is not near the impact people like to make it out to be. Most times with my Duramax I get from oil change to oil change (7,500 miles) on a tank of DEF. That is approximately $28. If I do more than normal towing then I might have to add an additional 2.5 gallon container which would make that cost $42. Either way the DEF cost per mile is .003 cents at $28 and 0.005 centers at $42. Now the comment for finding diesel is spot on. I only fuel from truck stops or places that I actually know pump high quantities of diesel. The truck lanes at truck stops are absolutely the best way to go loaded or empty.
Hope yyou don't have PROBLEMS with that new FOUND ON ROAD DEAD!!!! No offense but never had anything but trouble from the Fords I owned and have known many peole of the same mind . I already saw on youtube a guy with your new truck , he had already had it back to the dealer 3 times and it was a transmission issue!!! My son had a Focus 2013 and Ford had to buy it back , And yupp you guessed it , TRANSMISSION!!!!!
@@donmullins5805 I am glad you have had good luck with yours!!! Which engine ? I'm gonna guess the 7.3Litre power stroke , cause it can't be the 6.0 diesel , I know Sooo many people that had nothing but repeated breakdowns and blowups with the 6.0
Right on brother...i weighed the pros and cons of gas and diesel and made the same decision. No regrets on the gas. Did you get the 360 view camera package? Was an upgrade i definitely made sure i had.
Made my living working on diesels for years but drive an old 2001 2500HD with an 8.1 and I’m not sure there is enough money to make me let it go. I’m glad that Ford is offering a real diesel alternative. I use mine for farm equipment gooseneck towing and our 43ft 5th wheel. Glad your happy with your purchase.
Love my '17 f250 6.2! Have had diesels in the past, not for me- despite the fact I tow a loaded dump trailer regularly, don't miss all the extra this and that diesels require.
This truck can take care of most casual towers needs. In some situations it will work harder than the diesel. So what? Engines should work hard at least occasionally. It’s good for them.
No joke. I remember late 90s, early 2000s when I worked construction. We pulled huge ez dump trailers filled with stone with gas f250. No problem, and those were huge loads. Plus that was back in the day. Today with a 7.3l gasser you could pull just about whatever you want. I love diesel, but at a higher initial cost, higher cost for fuel, def fluid, and expensive repairs, I see *most* people doing better with the gas 7.3
Have '17 F250 6.2 with 4.30 gears. The 3.73 gives no better gas mileage and less power. Anywhere from 15.5 mpg to a yearly average of 14.4. Pulling it gets 13. But like they say it's a bunch cheaper at purchase, it's a $40 dealer oil change versus $150. It's thousands cheaper maintenance over 200,000 miles (let's put a figure and say $5000 cheaper maintenance in 200,000 miles), it's cheaper fuel, it's no def, no electronic injection pumps, It's one battery. I can't see too many positives with modern diesel. If we were talking a 2V Cummins or a 7.3 Powerstroke still I'd rethink. But we're not. Thanks for the info on the 7.3 gas.
We upgraded to the 7.3 too and love it. Purchased it in March and been on at least 12 camping trips with it. Very good pick up. No sway with our Blue Ox hitch. Only wish it had a larger gas tank with the short bed truck. We tow 8,000 lbs.
The only thing a 3.55 rear end determines is the dead start startability. As long as you can get the rig moving, then the transmission takes care of everything else. Also, the 3.55 will give better fuel mileage when empty.
The 4:30 will provide more pulling power at all speeds, hence the reason ford requires them for the max tow rating. If gears didn't matter, everyone would run 1:1
@@257Tony Don't be rediculous-as I said-as long as 3.55 will get the load rolling in 1st gear, then the 10 spd transmission will take care of the rest. This reminds me of when I was selling and specing big rig trucks. When 3.21 and lower gears came out the truck drivers said the truck wouldn't go up the hill unless you had 4.11 or better. Well-everyone is using as low as 2.21 gears and remarkably, the trucks do go up the hill. 3.55 will just be fine.
@@257Tony as you add more and more split ratios in the trans the final rear gear matters less and less. a 4:30 driven truck thats having to be in 4th in order to maintain speed might have the same exact final drive ratio as a 3.55 driven truck in 3rd gear going the same speed. In theory , i dont have the fords 10 speed ratios memorized to prove this using a final drive ratio calculation but its easily proven. i wouldn't get a 4.30 option unless the truck was going to spend not only most of its life hooked to a trailer but most of that trailer time near max capacity on top of that.. You dont need 4.30s to tow at 50% capacity. you know what mean?
A 10-speed trans will usually have multiple overdrives, so why not go with a higher numerical axle to take advantage of that? You could still only be turning 1500 or less at highway speeds. Although I haven't looked at Ford specs lately, why do we keep mentioning the 4.30 gears? Don't they offer something in between, I would think a 3.7 or 4.1 woild be something to consider for the gas engine? Does Ford offer the 4.3 for SRW trucks?
@@halberto9o8 I agree completely, use those overdrive gears! The F250 comes standard with 3.55, the F350 comes with 3.73. Both can option the 4.30, but there is no 4.10 option for the SRW trucks.
Yeah but towing that 7.3 is only getting 5 mpg it’s getting 10 at best unloaded I got a 6.7 and average 15 to 16 unloaded and 10 to 12 loaded if your not using it for work everyday it wouldn’t make much difference but for anyone gonna be working the truck every day those things are drinking fuel like no body’s business diesel isn’t that much more expensive at the pump to have a 2x efficiency on fuel. I have a 2012 6.7 that has had almost no problems with 270k miles on it it’s been a work truck for a while and my 2016 has 180k on it now to with no major problems it’s bout time go get a new one again there the better heavy duty truck for sure have had the duramax and Cummins also they just weren’t as refined as total packages . I had a 2008 power stroke and that was really reason I got rid of it was the damn fuel mileage it was lucky to get 10 mpg and as much as everyone hated em my old 2005 power stroke 6.0 I put 290k miles on it and it actually got fuel mileage very comparable to the 6.7 if anything maybe a mile are two better. If I was buying it though as a family vehicle for the weekends I’d prob say the gas engine will be a better route for the money but if you are working a truck everyday 100% fuel mileage increase definitely will pay for itself in long run and if the diesels are maintained good there resale is where you can easily recoup any extra upfront cost. Also do your own maintenance are at least supervise the maintenance and with a diesel change that fuel filter and oil every 10k you won’t have a problem with em as far as I have seen ohh and besides the 6.7 stay away from aftermarket tuners and even then on 6.7 it make sure it’s not toasting your turbo that’s what those do. Do a video of mpg average and the dash readout when you are pulling that camper around be interested to see how yours is doing compared to the ones I’ve seen.
With the new administration, killing of the pipeline, and the push to go "green", you'll be lucky for fuel prices to stay below your $4 gallon figure. In a few years I'd expect much higher.
The Godzilla engine appears to be a good engine. With Gas engines, I always upgrade the ignition to after market coils. And upgrade wires if they don't have coil on spark plug systems. We have a 27' travel trailer that hasn't been out on the road in a while. But what my wife really likes about her 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L Cumins. Is the VGT engine brake. We live near some big hills. And drive places with even bigger hills. I almost bought a new pickup as a daily driver. I was seriously considering a gas Ram 2500. Because I could a similar payload to what diesel Ram 3500's had. But I kept my '16 Ram 1500 Quadcab 4wd Ecodiesel. And bought a Dodge Durango GT AWD, because of covid-19. I can park the Durango in any Kaiser Medical facility parking lot. With covid, the spots we used to park our pickups. Are no longer available. But I do wish the Durango had the gen3 Ecodiesel.
The maintenance cost alone makes me stick with gas engines. Always been a GM fan since my first 454 suburban. Now have a 2013 2500hd 6.0 vortec. A little weak but pulls my landscape trailer all year with no gripes. Also pulls my travel trailer on weekends with 0 problems. I can literally replace my engine for the cost of a couple of years diesel maintenance costs and 1 broken part. My buddies with diesels are always spending 1500 bucks everytime somethinf breaks. Until i dont have to worry about money and tow heavier than 10k lbs I will always buy a gasser.
Kellen Richard I agree . I own 5 gasers trucks. For my pulling trucks I have a 2004 Chevy 3500 8.1 (496ci) and a 1999 Chevy 2500 6.0 (360ci) and a 1991 Chevy 2500 5.7 (350ci) all 4x4's. I seen to many of my family and friends spend thousands upon thousands on their power strokes Cummings and Duramax.
The lovely later model Suburban 2500. We had a 2011 model. We ended up hating it. The 6.0 Vortec is very weak, the transmission hunts on any kind of grade, the fuel mileage was terrible,...empty and towing, a/c issues, overheating when idling for a period of time,...daytime running lights, head lights, and fog light issues, and we had to spend $5k to replace the tranny at 115k miles. If you drive up to Flagstaff from Phoenix,...you’ll honestly spend at least 80% of your time in 4th and 5th gear. And that’s running empty, lol.
Makes sense, diesels do not do well just sitting. Not to mention that stupid diesel emission fluid. Looked at the Ford but the Ram interior was soooo much nicer. Ended up with a Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with 6.4 Hemi, 4.10 limited slip rear end and air suspension. Tows our 30' Airstream with no problems, flats and grades. Also not a daily driver. Can't wait for winter to be over so we can start camping again!!!
My wife and I pull a GD 313RLTS @ 9K with our 2018 XL SD 6.2L gas crew cab. As you have said, lots of low torque and power for the mountains. No need at all for a smoker. I do love me a diesel, just won't buy what isn't needed. Dependable, reliable, gets the job done without a fuss.
If the 7.3 would have been available when I bought my diesel in 2018, I probably would have went back to gas. It is a lot cheaper, has plenty of power and I hate the fact that diesel jumps 20-30 cents a gallon in the winter, here where I live, because of "increased fuel oil production" .....BS.
Gas trucks are to practical. No more $400.00 oil and fuel filter changes. No more DEF problems. No more turbo problems. No more CP4 pump failures with a $14,000.00 repair bill. You can't blow coal with a gas truck. A gas truck just makes to much common sense. I think you made a great choice for your needs.
@@SirSteveFury That is the going rate ($400.00) for a late model diesel truck oil and oil filter change and 2 fuel filters changed. That is one of the reasons he traded in the diesel truck for a gas truck the high cost maintenance. I do my own diesel oil and filer change and cost me less then $50.00.
@@rvdogfl Well I just called Aikins Ford in Winder GA which is my local Ford dealer and got a synthetic oil change quote of $115 and $140 for all fuel filter changes on my 2017 6.7 for a total of $255... Not sure about the $145 more going rate. Maybe in California?
The 7.3 has definitely changed my thinking. I’m not a fan of the 6.2 for towing but like you said it’s basically like driving my 6.0 powerstroke without all the extra worrying. The low end torque is incredible compared to the 6.2 and from what I’m reading it gets much better fuel economy due to the 10 speed. Still torn between the 6.7 and 7.3. My biggest issue is there is no used 7.3’s but there’s plenty of used 6.7’s asking to be bought and deleted. I do plenty of heavy towing but plenty of in town driving as well.
Unless you are making a lot of money hauling freight, there is no reason to get a late model diesel. Way more cost up front, and never leaves the shop for less than 5 grand. All that money and at the end of the day you're getting a slight advantage. If you want a diesel just to have one, get an old 12v cummins or something
A wise decision James👍 You take good care of a diesel , running a good additive for more lubricity and good oil and change the fuel filters and your diesel will still be running down the road when those gas engines are in the boneyard already .
@@gd6349 Yes, fixed it. Thanks. Diesels don't have the longevity that they were known for before the advent of DPF filters, EGR valves and DEF injection systems. It's a crazy, unnecessary bunch of EPA-mandated governmental overreach and stupidity. It's costing us all too in the form of higher costs for truck-delivered goods due to the additional truck repair costs having to be passed on to the consumer.
@@BenKlassen1 yeah and other time bombs: Injectors, turbos, CP4, head gaskets. Not to mention the price of diesel is more than gas even though it should be cheaper.
Used truck values have really gone up. It's really based on towing power and comfort. Glad to see that Ford is making great gassers. I'd love to have a 10 speed transmission, that's gotta be awesome. BTW, back in the 80's the 460 gasser had more torque than the diesel and my 428CJ from the 70's has 462# torque stock and can get into the mid 550's no problem. One other thing about diesel is that it's heavy. Look at the NET GAIN, compare the weight the diesel adds vs the net torque it adds and then change the gearing around and see where you end up.
Good choice. Don’t get me wrong...I have a 04 diesel Excursion with a Bulletproofed 6.0 and it’s exactly what we need to haul the family, pets and pull the travel trailer. Unfortunately, they don’t make the Excursion anymore. Back when my Excursion was new, you could have also got the 5.4L Triton gasser or the V10 gasser....but they didn’t have near the specs as the 6.0 diesel, and the mileage sucked, especially when towing. Nowadays, things have advanced so much in the automotive industry that you can get what you need out of the gasser. If I were pulling a 5th wheel or running a hotshot operation, then I would look at a diesel over a gas truck, but you’ll be plenty fine with what you are using it for. Just like the Jeep...I owned a 76 CJ5, that rode and drove like heck,but was fun, nonetheless. Then I had the opportunity to rent a 4 door Wrangler....good power, good fuel economy and great fun!! The engine was half the size in the new Jeep, but it didn’t lack power! Technology has its advantages for sure. Good luck with the new truck and Jeep you’ll ejiynthrbthjb!
What are you doing to due when Biden signs an EO banning all Diesel engines for personal use? This Idiot in California has already banned all Internal combustion engines in 2030. And if you live in California and love Diesel or gas powered vehicles, sign the recall petition.
When diesel pickups got way better mileage than gas engines and the fuel was cheaper than gasoline (or even equal to the price of gas) and they were simple and bulletproof, diesels made sense. Modern gas engines are more efficient and diesels are not much better in fuel economy. Unless you are always pulling the maximum load rating on the truck, diesels don’t make sense anymore. Especially with the outrageous prices for parts like turbos and injectors.
Mark Vidales That’s really not necessarily true. Toyotas 4.7 L gas V8 has several documented examples of reaching 1,000,000 miles, and there are 6.0 L Ford power stroke diesels didn’t make 50,000 miles. My 1993 Chevy Suburban that I used to own had 265,000 miles on the original gas 350 and it still ran like a charm when I sold it, and my Ford F-150 with the 4.9L inline 6 had over 330,000 miles on it when I sold the truck for parts because the frame rusted through, but the engine lives on in another F150 to this day, 6 years later. Chevy 4.3L V6 engines are known for going hundreds of thousands of miles with nothing major, as are the Buick 3800 V6 engines. There are a number of cars (Toyota and Honda especially) that have several hundreds of thousands of miles on them, all gasoline. I daily drive a 2000 Toyota Camry with a 2.2L 4 cylinder and a 5 speed. It has 170,000 miles on it and it runs like new, uses less than 1/2 a quart of oil over the 5,000 mile change interval I use, and it will get 38 MPG on the highway as long as I keep the speed below 70 MPH (it still manages 30 MPG at 85 MPH).
The cost for the diesel doesn’t pencil out anymore. Reliable gas power is the new fad, mated with a 10 spd tranny it’s great. Very few people need 1,000 ft. Lbs. torque on a daily basis. I get a kick out of some guys driving a 60-70k diesel truck in town shopping.
Great video. I always enjoy your insight. I recently purchased a 2020 Lariat F-250 with the same 7.3 engine for a daily driver as well as pulling a 25 ft Airstream. Thanks for your informative videos.
Nice! I ordered a 2021 F-250 7.3 liter and just had a friend tell me it was a mistake to not to diesel. I’m new to towing and just did our first weekend trip towing our new 25’ Airstream with a rented Silverado HD with the Duramax Diesel engine. It towed amazing and couldn’t even feel the trailer behind us most of the time. I’m hoping the experience will be similar with the 7.3.
@@universalmediaus if you see yourself buying a big and heavy 5th wheel in the future, go with the diesel. We own a 17 f350 diesel and we have towed our 9,000 lbs. 32' travel trailer few times a month for the past three years and the diesel is more than adequate for this set-up. We now are planning on a long and heavy 5th wheel capable for our current truck to haul...no need for a newer more expensive truck since we already poses one🤙😉.
Congratulations on the new truck. When we was looking for a new truck, back in 2018, we couldn't make the numbers work on a diesel. We drove one and liked it. We are weekenders. We only pack a few tools and some clothes. We always just buy food and other supplies whenever we get where we are going. We are very happy with our 6.2 gas.
Up to 15,000 miles a year a Gasser is the only option, 15,000 to 30,000 a year either is a very good option. Over 30,000 miles a year the Diesel is the way to go unless you just can't stand diesel.
My Ford 6.2 400hp 400fpt 6 speed is amazing. Tows my 28' yacht and 28' toy hauler all day. Diesel maintenance, def, high gas prices and parts way overpriced.
Wow I’ve really been considering the 7.3 liter to tow our 2800 bh Imagine and potential upgrade in the future. Can’t wait to hear your opinion of the towing the trailer.
I had a 2012 Ford F-250 Lariat Supercab 4x4 off road, deleted beast that I bought in 2013, I drove it for 5 years or so, I got tired of the $150 dollar oil changes, 2k tires(not wheels), damn radiator busted in it in 2015, $400 dollar batteries, I was always dumping loads of money in it. Yes I had probably 25k worth of towing capability? Anyway in 2018 I traded it in for a 2018 F-150 XLT super-cab with the 3.5 ecoboost, I still needed something that will haul the boat and stuff and it’s been perfect, plenty of power and gas is cheap right now.
Just got a 2021 coachman pursuit 7.3 /6 speed and we are average 7.5/8.5 mpg 33ft class a towing a 2017 chev Colorado running 65/67 mph average speed can not complain love it in the hills had a 6.0 chev before good but a little weak in the hills I also like that it is a lot quitter i can actually hear the radio now lots of power in low rpms means less noise than high revving v10 or 6.0 onley regret is not having a 10 speed traney and did not want def /high cost maint of desal
Gas or diesel really comes down to how many miles /terrain you plan to travel only big difference is the Jake brake in the big hills coming down to fast is worse than a little slower going up @@WanderingWeekends
good call on the sunroof. my 2011 was doing same, and now spending 2900 to get it replaced. fortunately my body shop convinced insurance it wasn't common so it was covered under comp. but it's on 17 days back order
The diesel engine/transmission combo costs as mush as $8-10,000 more than the gas variant of the truck. But if you ask the Ford 6.0 liter owners they have to spend about $10,000 more to get the engine "bulletproofed" which is better head gaskets, upgraded head studs, etc. There are even some businesses out there that their entire business is based of repairing and upgrading Fords Powerstroke shortcomings. I've been working on diesels professionally since 2000 but in 2009 I decided to buy a new truck and I went gas. I think a lot of people think they like the power of the diesel but I'm not certain they don't like the turbocharger. Heres a nugget for everyone: you can put a turbo on a gas engine in a truck! From what I saw locally diesels got popularized in the early-mid 2000s by high school caucasian kids. Also alot of diesel truck owners nowaday don't even own or pull trailers they just use their F350 diesel 4x4 to get to McDonalds. I also see pro diesel people on youtube showing these cold start videos where they crank and crank and crank their trucks to get them started in the winter. My gas truck fires up pretty much the same all year round and when I have to replace the battery it just has 1 not 2 like most fullsize diesel pickups and that saves me $. Hell my gas truck doesn't even have a serviceable fuel filter and that saves me more $. When it gets cold out I don't have to get out an extension cord and hookup a block heater-thats kinda like having your truck on life support all night so that it might start in the morning. Also changing the oil on these diesel pickups is well over $100 especially if you use name brand oil and replace the fuel filters at the same time like you should. Some of these people like to race these diesel truck and I raced a new Cummins SRW (single rear wheel) one day and I put a couple truck lengths on him-just to be fair we should have a second race where i get to have a turbo and he does not like my gas truck didn't in the first race we all know what would happen. I'd also like to point out 1 other thing these diesel truck guys have kinda ruined the tire market now almost every tire thats a little oversized like a 33 inch and up are all E rated and even F rated. Theres not many options for an oversized C or D rated tire anymore. A C or D rated tire can bite alot harder than those stiff tires these diesel guys think they need to go to McDonalds. Even the diesel fuel can gel on you when it gets cold out. I'll just keep my gas truck alot of this country was built off the backs of small and big block gas V8s
Oh yeah and I drove a 2012 Dodge Cummins for about 4 years as a service truck and at about 75,000 miles or so I started getting messages on the dash about the DEF system and it was counting down from 200 miles saying that it wouldn't restart if the issue wasn't repaired. Thats a great feeling to have a vehicle that has a mind of its own.
ive got a 2000 7.3 diesel with 151k on it (and boy is it under powered compared to todays diesels) i probably still haven't broke even on the premium paid over 20yrs ago, not to mention i need to stick about 18k in rust repair and new paint but that's the same problem no matter what the engine
your wait could pay off boxing week is the busiest car sales week of the year and massive past model year rebates are always bigger from the factories, some boxing week sales some years for me I made as much money in 1 week in sales /leasing than in the 3/4 previous months , thats why i love boxing week sales in the car industry and you can find a truck within 500 miles of you and save even a few more thousand dollars , been doing it for decades , my partner she visits family during the daytime while i put in the work and join them in the evening for dinner when my day is done I truly hope you find your truck , there's always one out there for ya!! 👍
My last truck was a gasser, gave it to my son with almost 300.000 miles on it, he’s still driving it, my new truck is a gasser, didn’t go with diesel, for all the reasons you gave. Only thing is I went with Chevy, never had any luck with Fords, Beautiful truck tho.
Enjoy those new trucks! My 6.7 with six speed transmission is paid for and the interest rate IS ZERO. Just think how that money could be used to pay off a 15-year mortgage in only 10 years (give or take).
Most people that owned or own an 6.4 power stroke did mods. Most gotten messed up. I've never done that. Wont. My truck is almost at 100,000 miles. Some work to it. Not much. Yet I have no diesel Def. 2008. I will personally never go back to an gas truck. I will never buy an new model. The only thing I do not like about my truck is the seat covers. Its an King Ranch. Real cow hide. Very uncomfortable and it takes a lot of care. Yet everyone one to their own. My avg mpg to be safe is 18.5 . yet nice new truck. Im glad your happy with it.
A close friend of mine bought a 2020 f250 7.3 gas early this year. As of today they still love it towing their 7k travel trailer. I own a 2015 ram 2500 6.4 and love it. This makes me not want a diesel even more. Thanks for sharing!
A year ago I bought a new 2019 Platinum F450 6.7 that had huge discounts. I tow a 40' 5th wheel and other heavy stuff. Highway mileage is good, and the smooth power is legendary. Diesels always hold value, but especially now. The 7.3 gasser is fine for some, but not me. The diesel torque is reason enough, but it is also a very durable engine. I'm just glad I bought when I did. I haven't seen a new dually on any dealer lot since March. For you the F250 seems like a good choice.
Just brought home my 7.3L 2 days ago (got the 350 SRW for the added payload). Can't wait to pull our TT! Good buy and thanks for the re-affirming video. All my buddies have been dogging me for not getting the diesel. Wasn't going to pay $100 more a month for that privilege when I didn't need it.
You made a good choice on a gasser if you have no plan on going big on a rv in the future. Our current rv is only 9,000 lbs. and our 17 f350 diesel is more than adequate for it but we see ourselves getting a heavy and long 5th wheel in the near future...so our current diesel truck said; bring it on!
Seems to be easier finding a diesel up here than the 7.3 i wanted the 7.3 but i have to order a 2022 and might not be able to get until next year. So i might just get the f250 with the 6.7 the dealer has on the lot.
I bought a new truck this year. Was not looking for a diesel, but found a deal on one and pull the trigger. One advantage I never thought of was the ability to use the truck stop (big truck) fuel lanes. It totally takes away the stress of getting the truck and trailer in and out of the station. Also, much faster to fill up with the big nozzles, I upgraded to a 60 gal tank.
Those are two things I would be jealous of. The truck stop fuel lanes are convenient, but the real shame is not being able to get a midship 60 gal tank for a gas super duty. Transferflow made one for the F150 recently, but has said it does not have plans to make one for the 6.2/7.3 unfortunately.
I whole heartedly agree. We pull a 38' TT with a diesel Excursion. With the size of the rig and tank (44 gal.) having the large lanes and fast flow pumps not limited to 35 gal. or $100 or whatever is highly beneficial. And Pilot stations you can use a regular CC at the pump. Love it.
Plus they have def at the pump. So I can buy what I need rather than a jug of it that ends up riding around in the tool box until I need more 🤷🏻♂️ Oh and pro tip: get a transfer tank, plumb it in to the main tank, and wham bam thank you ma’am I’ve now got 1700 mile range 👍🏼
if the fuel is direct cylinder injection then you can consider the gasser essentially a diesel with spark ignition assistance. They are called diesel engines because the late Frenchmen Mr Diesel invented the engine concept. And it was designed from the start as a multi fuel capable engine.
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Can't afford anything new, so I will stay with my 97, 7.3, 4 door, long bed, 4x4, f350.
I wish I had that pickup to b honest.
Most people can't afford a new truck but they still get one
@@clayton5584 shoot I'm so proud I found a truck that has been parked in a barn for 15 years. Original owner got sick, he sold it to me for 4k it looks brand new has never seen snow salt or rain. And only has 10k miles. 05 ram 1500 4.7l slt 4x4. I need it to tow, been using my primary vehicle a 09 Ford edge that I've maintained immaculately, but at 189k miles the trans is due for a rebuild, and the water pump is going to need to b done as well, both are major jobs. Found a local shop that does great work ill have them do this extensive stuff.
Best ever, wish I would’ve kept mine
Nathan I got the same rig in a 95 wth a zf5
I rebuild diesels to sell. I even tell customers most.dont need it. Normally a ego issue
Do most of your customers tow anything? Or most just drive them to commute and getting grocery?
Most are compasating
IMO... all these vehicles are just WAY overpriced, complicated, have lots of computerized features that are certainly destined to malfunction. I'm just not buying into all of that.
So get a base model
@@NUTZJ98 Check into the reliability of diesel engines (especially Fords) over the past 10 years. They're junk after 150K. Previous versions like the 7.3L go a million miles.
Finally someone who’s honest about their truck. I’m a former diesel mechanic and I couldn’t come up with any way to justify the diesel over the gas. If you just want way more power than you need and don’t care how much it costs, that’s great, just go for it. If you aren’t hauling full time near the maximum tow rating there is not a case for a diesel based just on economics.
Ok, what about FWD, most new Super Duties that I see have it. Why? I’ve pulled a 5th wheel for 10 years now and never once said “I could sure use FWD right now”. Why so many FWDs?
4x4 is one of those things you don't need... until you need it. It's almost like an insurance policy. I've only needed it a few times but boy those couple of times I REALLY needed it.
@@WanderingWeekends I can't help but comment, but if you are in more rugged areas, a 4X4 is worth the extra money and maintenance. I am not a "mudder", but I do camp in areas that are more primitive that campgrounds with all the amenities. They both have their place for a camping person who likes the variety. In rugged areas that have had a lot of rain, the four wheel drive systems can make the difference.
my 1974 f250 high boy all cast iron 360 cuin block & cast iron manual transmission , manual windows & No Computer just points , suits me fine 👍☺🔧🔩🔨
Haha, a local towing company here uses gas engines because they were "quieter" when grabbing illegally parked cars or repos.
Damn, that's not playing fair.
Here comes a Tesla tow rig lol
Lol nice!
Still driving my 96' chevy 2500 with 245,000 miles.Bought it new,changed oil ever 3k miles and it runs great.Need a new fuel pmp and had trans rebuilt 2x.The best thing is it has been driving this pu pymt free for the last 20 yrs.What's coming in the economy better watch that cash outgo.
The stupid price of the new diesels are crazy. 75K. And you're making another house payment for something that loses it's value. I've got an 2001 F250 diesel, I'll drive it forever! It's been paid for?
75k is top of the line, you can get the basic models in the low to mid 40s.
75k and up is the top line luxury trims. you can get a lower trim without all the fancy bs for between $40-$50k
Just went the opposite direction and back to a diesel. Wow I forgot how much better of a towing experience the diesel is
All day....
I can't stand the Racket the Diesels make! Plus, they cost $9,000 more!
EPA ruined diesels and that was their inn intent. Used to be diesels were simple, diesel fuel was much less, and they lasted longer.
Now gas engines are simpler, gasoline is cheaper, and gas engines have less problems over time and are cheaper in the first place.
I went from diesel VW cars back to gas. Simpler, less problems, cheaper.
I'd still rather have a diesel though.
Oh, still have a 7.3 Excursion 😉
When I bought my first Diesel, it was before the 2007 EPA change and diesel was always less than regular. Out here it's bee relatively cheap until recently. I"ve paid less than $2 many times, now it's $2.40/gallon
I own a 1997 Ford 7.3 and I bought it recently with 48k miles on it. I paid a premium price but I think it was worth every penny.
Unfortunately every where I go, I recieve offers to buy it. And obviously I need it or I wouldn't have spent so much time and money looking for it
New diesel pickups are way better than the old ones. The only people who are mad are the bros that need the truck to make up for their lack of masculinity.
Still running my 7.3,so...
@@danerickson1733 Way better until they are not. Wait till the emission control system needs repair or you hit 125,000 miles.
I traded my 2018 F-250 diesel back in March 2020 for the almost exact same truck, exact same reasons. I traded for a 2020 F-350 STX 7.3 10 speed with 3.73 gear. It is my daily driver (retired) and I love it. The diesel I had was a great truck with no issues, just very expensive to maintain and higher fuel cost. I had to make regular inconvenient "road trips" down the highway to allow complete regens, as I do a lot of in town driving currently. Wasted a lot of time and fuel to accommodate this all too common "maintenance." Regens must occur every 200-300 miles, and last for about 20-30 minutes. During regen, fuel mileage is approx 11 mpg at 60 mph. My concern was expensive and inconvenient failures/repairs down the road. We pull an 8k travel trailer about once a month currently, and the 2020 7.3 does a great job, although I do miss that awesome diesel torque pulling hills. I am a retired shop supervisor who was an ASE certified Master Automotive Technician for 35+ yrs, and ASE certified Master School Bus Technician for 25+ years. If you buy a new diesel, buy the extended warranty. You will be glad you did, and I hope your trucks diesel emission failures happen close to home. Remember how bad the cars were back in the 1980's? It took 10+ years for the manufacturer's to finally get through the gas emissions failures and get them right. The diesel manufacturer's have been trying since early 2000's, they still are not there, and I am not sure they ever will be. All the diesel guy's have accomplished is producing gobs of power through technology with reduced reliability. The engine block assembly may "live forever," but everything attached to it will fail, expensively. Bottom line, if you are pulling very heavy all the time, the diesel is a forced best choice. If you are pulling less than 12k, there are options that more practical, reliable, and fiscally responsible. My humble opinion based on a lifetime of trying to keep vehicles safe, reliable, and on the road. Safe travels!
My thoughts exactly! I too am a diesel mechanic who bought a 7.3 gasser.
Good analysis, Terry. Thanks!
Why did you not get a 2.0 litre diesel why do you need a 7 litre petrol , there no such thing in Europe, sounds crazy ,
@@billbyrne7891 : Because little toys are for children and here in America sometimes we actually like to tow things.
Or you could just delete it and stop being a pansy .
The gas would be fine but Ford needs to offer a larger gas tank with the short box, the 34 gal tank just not cutting it, 250 mile range pulling 30 ft trailer is not good when going cross country, 50 gal would be sweet
The 2020 long beds have a 48 gallon. I dont think they can fit any biger in the short beds
Yes I know, but with that long bed makes it tuff to drive as a dayley driver , I would think they could go back to dual tanks some how
Diesels are money pits. Not 1 square inch of it lasts longer than a gas truck with same chasis. Diesels costs thousands to repair. Gas a few hundred. The worst part is the new emissions on the diesels $$$$$$$$ Nobody can justify a diesel unless its earning you money every mile you drive it. You can buy all the gas you need for the diffrence in MSRP and MAINTENANCE. I depend on trucks for a living. I'm speaking from 40yrs of experience. I'll say it again ... unless that diesel is earning you money every mile you drive it ... its a money pit. Every joker in the world wants a diesel today because its the cool thing. 2/3rds of the diesels sold today will never see a real work day.
Diesel without emissions were the best. It is all about where it makes the power and the gearing is huge too. I don’t do payments so I’ll live vicariously through you.
DEF is a plague upon man kind.
Exactly why I'll never get rid of my 1997 Dodge 2500 Diesel. Upgraded some things so it pulls like a beast. No emissions/DEF. And best of all, no payments!
@@gpswebdesigns 06 dodge 2500 here, not quite 90,000 miles, it will be my last truck.
I don't do payments either.
If a person invested $600 a month vs making car payments over 10, 20 or 30 years it comes out to $120k, $430k, or $1.2 million respectively...
I just can’t justify giving up $1.2 million in retirement to keep a new car in the driveway.
Now I find this, damn :) just placed a build order for a 2021 F-350 loaded King Ranch Diesel and yes the main reason for the build was I could not find what I wanted on the lots and the 2020 builds are closed. The first thing I will add is the S&B 60 Gal Diesel tank, the range will be awesome. Sorry I wanted a future proof truck no matter what I might tow now or later.
I like my gas F350 single wheel. It has the 6.8 V10.
@@cellpat7392 I sure like mine. I've had 2 of them, an 01 and my 05 that I have now. I know of a company in town that has one with a service bed on the back with tons of idle time and it has over 330,000 miles on it.
Very nice truck! I ended up doing just the opposite this summer. I had a 2017 one ton Ram SRW that pulled my previous 5th wheel that was 34' long. It did the job fine but getting in and out of gas stations on long trips was a nightmare sometimes. I was also only getting 8-9mpg towing. Now I have a 37' 5th wheel and my mileage with the heavier RV was 6mpg. So I bought a 2020 3/4 ton Chevrolet diesel. Like you, because of Covid, I got a smokin deal on the new truck and trade in. But I understand where you're coming from! Fortunately my wife and I are retired and we have a 2017 Ford Escape as our daily driver. The truck will be our tow vehicle and snow vehicle when the weather is bad here in Western NY and we'll enjoy good gas mileage at all other times. My advise to anyone that is thinking about a different vehicle or RV is to get whatever works best for your situation because everyone's situation will be different.
Hopefully it doesn’t burn oil like the redesigned (2018+) 5.0L coyote motor. My truck drank oil like a college kid and an open bar wedding
6.2s and 7.3s are waaaaaay better than the stupid coyote
My 2016 SD eats money 😱. It pulls great. Looks great. Did I say it eats money 😂.
I'm thinking about the 15 and 16 ford diesel...what expenses did you had with your truck? Thank you in advance🤝.
Don't worry about the expense you'll get it all back at resale...... Buying diesels again was the best thing I ever did. Did I say I can actually move in traffic.
All fun toys eat money 🤷♂️
@@j.l.salayao8055 I bought my 2016 F350 single axle lariat used with 21000 miles from a small dealership I had used before who specializes in trucks. It was deleted and had been programmed professionally. I service regularly. First item was batteries yep two at a time. Then time for tires two at a time BFGs. All good right? Well at the 70k Mark knock in tranny. Bang! New Tranny 😱. Major malfunction warning a 1000 miles later. TCM. New programmer. Fun fun fun. She’s fine now but what a bad run of issues. Best advice just like with RV make friends with GOOD repair person. Dealerships are not your friend 😳
You need to make damn good money to comfortabley afford a diesel and all it's maintenance responsibilities. Barnone... no exceptions.
Confused on why your paying so much to maintain a diesel. Shell rotella goes on sale for $40 a bucket , that makes oil changes. Filters are $15. Fuel filter is $15. Other than that, it has almost all the same maintenance cost.
EPA has killed diesels so you made the right choice for sure
Diesel is actually better for the environment it burns cleaner learn about octane ratings dumbass
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 diesels were never meant to run clean: learn about how many cleaning components it takes to make them run clean...dumbass
they just made it to where dudes who don't actually need/use them burns a hole in their wallet. And yea, they do run cleaner.
@@timm9114 if you're comparing to a gasoline engine you are wrong it burns much cleaner than regular gasoline if you want something that really lasts long build yourself a propane engine
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 diesel burns more efficiently. It gets more power from the fuel. The fuel has more particulate and NOx emissions however. That's why VW got in trouble. They couldn't get the power while running clean so they cheated.
Diesel is great if you are pulling heavy loads or heavy trailers most of the time. So if you are driving hundreds miles a week highway going across the nation them diesel is great. They pull loads really good going over high mountain passes with big loads. Higher fuel costs, higher oil change, higher investment in the truck. Get a gas truck for most of the people.
maintenance is simpler, and the fuel economy savings rally isn't that big of a deal when the truck cost $15k more just for the diesel engine in the first place
I am getting a motor-home with the 7.3L V8 Godzilla in it and flat towing a Jeep Wrangler for exploring since it will go almost everywhere. :-)
Excellent move. Agree with your overall decision. All the best with the new truck.
Love my new 2021 F250 6.7L Turbo Diesel. Towing out West, it’s simply the best. So, you can bake this cake however you want but I get a kick out of all you guys buying $60,000 to $70,000 trucks and splitting hairs over maintenance costs and gas mileage. You can find pro’s and con’s to anything. One guy says the EPA has killed diesels. In case you haven't heard, Biden has declared war on gas/oil too. At some point, this debate is like picking fly sh- out of pepper. If you’ve ever owned a gasser Class A motorhome and then upgraded to a diesel, you know the truth in the difference between the two. The bottom line, there is no wrong answer. To each his own.
Good choice, no need for a diesel pulling that trailer.
This was a timely video. I was debating between diesel and cost of maintenance and a gasser at the the 250 or 2500 level of truck. Thanks so much for putting this out. I guess I could look up what is the payload of the truck and did you add any additional suspension upgrades. Many thanks and keep the great videos coming. A fan in Canada.
Payload on this one is 3100lbs and some change.
@@WanderingWeekends I am also moving away from Diesel. I currently have great 2020 F350 DRW 6.7. I have not once pulled the trailer but do carry up to about 3300 lbs. I thought payload was bit higher. I am looking into 2023 F350 SRW 7.3 , 3,73. 11,400 ( SRW ) This will be my daily driver. I will skip the following - moon roof, FX4, 5th wheel prep. It will save me lots money and time. Do you use regular Unlead gasoline for your truck?
I am still driving 2000 F250 V10. Its a disaster at the gas pumps but it cranks and drives everyday. Its my work truck. 279k. Original engine and transmission. Most I tow is around 8k. I didnt get the 7.3 because of the fumes. Irritates me no end. If you maintain a gasser, it'll last. Then again, people dont really keep things like they used too, everything is disposable.
Same here. The diesel is great of your towing heavy back and fourth across the country but I just didn’t need that anymore. I tow a 7,000 pound camper up and down mountains in WV without a hint of a issue with the gas 250. Of your towing a 16 thousand pound 5th wheel 100 percent diesel
I'm also looking at the same truck: F250 STX with the 7.3L. It's a lot of truck for the money.
I'm going with the 7.3 gas engine, I don't want to deal with the maintenance or DEF fluid of the diesel. I will still keep my old 2008 F250 for a work truck. Another advantage of the gasser is that I travel in some remote areas exploring and have always found a friendly one pump country store that always has gas but no diesel.
Diesels are clearly better. But the emission devices ruin the advantage of a diesel for a typical pickup.
There are always the older pre-emissions trucks, but then you've got other risk factors at play. I love my old 2003 diesel Excursion, but it won't always be worth putting money into. As of right now it is my only option for towing a large TT and family of 6. Unless I want to go new crew cab and repurpose one of my kids into a armrest/cup holder.
Diesels may perform better, but I refuse to buy a new one because of the emissions issues, and I refuse to buy a used one (unless it's a chassis cab, and it's under $8K) as most of them have been riced out by high school kids with daddy's money.
@@daltonbrink9924 I got a 02 f250 with the 7.3 that I'm rebuilding the engine to handle 500 horsepower
This seems like more of a Godzilla vs diesel than gas vs diesel discussion. The 6.x gas engines didn't do so well on the gauntlet iirc. Those 6.x trucks aren't holding value as well either. I've got a 6 year 100k bumper to bumper warranty on my diesel and using it as a daily driver, i love it so far. First oil/filter change was free. The truck (2020 2500 HD High Country) also sips DEF. Also, the Chevy dealer quoted a lil over $200 for the oil/filter change, where are all these $400 oil change comments coming from...ford/dodge?
Honestly our 6.2 F250 did everything we asked it to do... without fuss.
I 've watched you before but today I subscribed because of your new truck. I bought a 2020 F250 last month to tow my travel trailer better than my F150 did.
If it fits you're needs, and sounds like you got a great deal, then why not. The 7.3 looks just like my 7.3L Powerstroke but with spark plugs, good marketing on Ford's part, riding the success of the old diesel 7.3L
Jay, never said it didn't. Can't compare trucks that are almost 20 years difference in technology. Just stated how I think it was a good marketing point on the size of the engine.
Also did the same, came from a diesel back into a hd gas. Truck is solely a tow truck/plow truck/hardware store truck and not a DD. Gas engines have vastly improved.
I bought a 2019 F350 6.2. Love it! Diesels are just too expensive all around. We are only weekend or week camping and I just don’t need that much truck. If we were full timers driving cross country etc. I might’ve pulled the trigger on a diesel. I do enjoy that my gasser is much easier in the pocketbook for maintenance. Major plus. It pulls my #8500 trailer just fine.
If the 7.3 was available in "17 when I bought my XLT, I would have gone with it but my 6.2 tows our 12k lb. Keystone Cougar fine....it's a bit slow going uphill at times but I'm not trying to go hell bent for election either.
Is not diesel engine more powerful and getting better fuel mpg? Also have exhaust brake. More pros than cons.
You have to add def to the fuel cost. Sometimes diesel is hard to find in the boonies. If you do find it in the boonies, it may be contaminated which can destroy injectors if your fuel filter is not the best. Diesel mechanics are sometimes very hard to find in the boonies. Parts are more expensive. Labor is more expensive. He now has disk brakes on his camper, so the exhaust brake is really not needed, especially with such a light trailer. The only other argument for the diesel is longevity. Diesels can go for 2, 3, 4. or 500 thousand miles or even more depending on the engine. I would say that is the greatest pro for the diesel.
Diesels aren’t what they use to be. The EPA killed them. Sure, you’ll probably get a good 125-175k miles before things go south, but man oh man, when they go south it’s HIGH DOLLAR! If you buy some be, then make sure you open a separate savings account where you put $100 a month in.
Yes diesels have more torque and get better mileage. BUT as he said in the video, this gasser has torque of diesels of less than 20 years ago. In fact this torque matches torque of some big rig diesels of many years ago. But the cost differential, another $8,500 on top of the gasser, is a big nut. Do you realize how much you need to drive the diesel for that mileage differential to pay for the diesel?
@@tkilg7169 DEF cost on a diesel is not near the impact people like to make it out to be. Most times with my Duramax I get from oil change to oil change (7,500 miles) on a tank of DEF. That is approximately $28. If I do more than normal towing then I might have to add an additional 2.5 gallon container which would make that cost $42. Either way the DEF cost per mile is .003 cents at $28 and 0.005 centers at $42. Now the comment for finding diesel is spot on. I only fuel from truck stops or places that I actually know pump high quantities of diesel. The truck lanes at truck stops are absolutely the best way to go loaded or empty.
Ive always been a gaser.
Hope yyou don't have PROBLEMS with that new FOUND ON ROAD DEAD!!!! No offense but never had anything but trouble from the Fords I owned and have known many peole of the same mind . I already saw on youtube a guy with your new truck , he had already had it back to the dealer 3 times and it was a transmission issue!!! My son had a Focus 2013 and Ford had to buy it back , And yupp you guessed it , TRANSMISSION!!!!!
I have similar stories with GM electrical problems... luck of the draw...
My F250 with 360k+ miles takes exception to your claim.
@@donmullins5805 I am glad you have had good luck with yours!!! Which engine ? I'm gonna guess the 7.3Litre power stroke , cause it can't be the 6.0 diesel , I know Sooo many people that had nothing but repeated breakdowns and blowups with the 6.0
@@gd6349 yes, the 7.3 Power Stroke.
Right on brother...i weighed the pros and cons of gas and diesel and made the same decision. No regrets on the gas. Did you get the 360 view camera package? Was an upgrade i definitely made sure i had.
This truck didn't have that option... its a nice feature but I've gone 25 years without it... a few more won't hurt me... haha
I don’t blame you I look at super duty and it was one of those trucks but ford wanted to much like 15,000 K over sticker so went to Chevy 6.6 gas
We did the same we bought just to tow our camper.. didn't want to strain our half ton in the mountains. So the half ton is a daily driver
You're right at 1997-1999 years in torque power. The 1997 made 450 torque and the 1999 made 500 torque.
Made my living working on diesels for years but drive an old 2001 2500HD with an 8.1 and I’m not sure there is enough money to make me let it go. I’m glad that Ford is offering a real diesel alternative. I use mine for farm equipment gooseneck towing and our 43ft 5th wheel. Glad your happy with your purchase.
I'll stick with my 96 Dodge Cummins 4X.
230 hp/ 600 lb/ft governed at 2500 RPM
Love my '17 f250 6.2! Have had diesels in the past, not for me- despite the fact I tow a loaded dump trailer regularly, don't miss all the extra this and that diesels require.
The particulate filter on Ford diesels can be problematic and when it gets to minus 30 they don't start.
Problematic?
Are you female?
This truck can take care of most casual towers needs. In some situations it will work harder than the diesel. So what? Engines should work hard at least occasionally. It’s good for them.
Heck, Even the gasser is barely working pulling 7500lbs. You can pull that with a half ton safely.
No joke. I remember late 90s, early 2000s when I worked construction. We pulled huge ez dump trailers filled with stone with gas f250. No problem, and those were huge loads. Plus that was back in the day. Today with a 7.3l gasser you could pull just about whatever you want. I love diesel, but at a higher initial cost, higher cost for fuel, def fluid, and expensive repairs, I see *most* people doing better with the gas 7.3
Have '17 F250 6.2 with 4.30 gears. The 3.73 gives no better gas mileage and less power. Anywhere from 15.5 mpg to a yearly average of 14.4. Pulling it gets 13. But like they say it's a bunch cheaper at purchase, it's a $40 dealer oil change versus $150. It's thousands cheaper maintenance over 200,000 miles (let's put a figure and say $5000 cheaper maintenance in 200,000 miles), it's cheaper fuel, it's no def, no electronic injection pumps, It's one battery. I can't see too many positives with modern diesel. If we were talking a 2V Cummins or a 7.3 Powerstroke still I'd rethink. But we're not. Thanks for the info on the 7.3 gas.
Not to mention a big screaming gasser is just nostalgically f-ing awesome
@@Sparkchaser1 I do love a turbo whine, but throaty big displacement gassers are fun too
We upgraded to the 7.3 too and love it. Purchased it in March and been on at least 12 camping trips with it. Very good pick up. No sway with our Blue Ox hitch. Only wish it had a larger gas tank with the short bed truck. We tow 8,000 lbs.
The only thing a 3.55 rear end determines is the dead start startability. As long as you can get the rig moving, then the transmission takes care of everything else. Also, the 3.55 will give better fuel mileage when empty.
The 4:30 will provide more pulling power at all speeds, hence the reason ford requires them for the max tow rating. If gears didn't matter, everyone would run 1:1
@@257Tony Don't be rediculous-as I said-as long as 3.55 will get the load rolling in 1st gear, then the 10 spd transmission will take care of the rest. This reminds me of when I was selling and specing big rig trucks. When 3.21 and lower gears came out the truck drivers said the truck wouldn't go up the hill unless you had 4.11 or better. Well-everyone is using as low as 2.21 gears and remarkably, the trucks do go up the hill. 3.55 will just be fine.
@@257Tony as you add more and more split ratios in the trans the final rear gear matters less and less. a 4:30 driven truck thats having to be in 4th in order to maintain speed might have the same exact final drive ratio as a 3.55 driven truck in 3rd gear going the same speed. In theory , i dont have the fords 10 speed ratios memorized to prove this using a final drive ratio calculation but its easily proven. i wouldn't get a 4.30 option unless the truck was going to spend not only most of its life hooked to a trailer but most of that trailer time near max capacity on top of that.. You dont need 4.30s to tow at 50% capacity. you know what mean?
A 10-speed trans will usually have multiple overdrives, so why not go with a higher numerical axle to take advantage of that? You could still only be turning 1500 or less at highway speeds.
Although I haven't looked at Ford specs lately, why do we keep mentioning the 4.30 gears? Don't they offer something in between, I would think a 3.7 or 4.1 woild be something to consider for the gas engine? Does Ford offer the 4.3 for SRW trucks?
@@halberto9o8 I agree completely, use those overdrive gears! The F250 comes standard with 3.55, the F350 comes with 3.73. Both can option the 4.30, but there is no 4.10 option for the SRW trucks.
Just hope fuel don’t ever go back to $4 a gallon buddy of mine getting like 9 mpg with the new 7.3
Diesel may be $4.50 if that happens... which would negate any mpg advantages from the diesel. Hard to say what diesel prices will do compared to gas.
Yeah but towing that 7.3 is only getting 5 mpg it’s getting 10 at best unloaded I got a 6.7 and average 15 to 16 unloaded and 10 to 12 loaded if your not using it for work everyday it wouldn’t make much difference but for anyone gonna be working the truck every day those things are drinking fuel like no body’s business diesel isn’t that much more expensive at the pump to have a 2x efficiency on fuel. I have a 2012 6.7 that has had almost no problems with 270k miles on it it’s been a work truck for a while and my 2016 has 180k on it now to with no major problems it’s bout time go get a new one again there the better heavy duty truck for sure have had the duramax and Cummins also they just weren’t as refined as total packages .
I had a 2008 power stroke and that was really reason I got rid of it was the damn fuel mileage it was lucky to get 10 mpg and as much as everyone hated em my old 2005 power stroke 6.0 I put 290k miles on it and it actually got fuel mileage very comparable to the 6.7 if anything maybe a mile are two better.
If I was buying it though as a family vehicle for the weekends I’d prob say the gas engine will be a better route for the money but if you are working a truck everyday 100% fuel mileage increase definitely will pay for itself in long run and if the diesels are maintained good there resale is where you can easily recoup any extra upfront cost.
Also do your own maintenance are at least supervise the maintenance and with a diesel change that fuel filter and oil every 10k you won’t have a problem with em as far as I have seen ohh and besides the 6.7 stay away from aftermarket tuners and even then on 6.7 it make sure it’s not toasting your turbo that’s what those do.
Do a video of mpg average and the dash readout when you are pulling that camper around be interested to see how yours is doing compared to the ones I’ve seen.
With the new administration, killing of the pipeline, and the push to go "green", you'll be lucky for fuel prices to stay below your $4 gallon figure. In a few years I'd expect much higher.
The Godzilla engine appears to be a good engine. With Gas engines, I always upgrade the ignition to after market coils. And upgrade wires if they don't have coil on spark plug systems. We have a 27' travel trailer that hasn't been out on the road in a while. But what my wife really likes about her 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L Cumins. Is the VGT engine brake. We live near some big hills. And drive places with even bigger hills.
I almost bought a new pickup as a daily driver. I was seriously considering a gas Ram 2500. Because I could a similar payload to what diesel Ram 3500's had. But I kept my '16 Ram 1500 Quadcab 4wd Ecodiesel. And bought a Dodge Durango GT AWD, because of covid-19. I can park the Durango in any Kaiser Medical facility parking lot. With covid, the spots we used to park our pickups. Are no longer available.
But I do wish the Durango had the gen3 Ecodiesel.
The maintenance cost alone makes me stick with gas engines. Always been a GM fan since my first 454 suburban. Now have a 2013 2500hd 6.0 vortec. A little weak but pulls my landscape trailer all year with no gripes. Also pulls my travel trailer on weekends with 0 problems. I can literally replace my engine for the cost of a couple of years diesel maintenance costs and 1 broken part. My buddies with diesels are always spending 1500 bucks everytime somethinf breaks. Until i dont have to worry about money and tow heavier than 10k lbs I will always buy a gasser.
Kellen Richard I agree . I own 5 gasers trucks. For my pulling trucks I have a 2004 Chevy 3500 8.1 (496ci) and a 1999 Chevy 2500 6.0 (360ci) and a 1991 Chevy 2500 5.7 (350ci) all 4x4's. I seen to many of my family and friends spend thousands upon thousands on their power strokes Cummings and Duramax.
The lovely later model Suburban 2500. We had a 2011 model. We ended up hating it. The 6.0 Vortec is very weak, the transmission hunts on any kind of grade, the fuel mileage was terrible,...empty and towing, a/c issues, overheating when idling for a period of time,...daytime running lights, head lights, and fog light issues, and we had to spend $5k to replace the tranny at 115k miles. If you drive up to Flagstaff from Phoenix,...you’ll honestly spend at least 80% of your time in 4th and 5th gear. And that’s running empty, lol.
Makes sense, diesels do not do well just sitting. Not to mention that stupid diesel emission fluid. Looked at the Ford but the Ram interior was soooo much nicer. Ended up with a Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with 6.4 Hemi, 4.10 limited slip rear end and air suspension. Tows our 30' Airstream with no problems, flats and grades. Also not a daily driver. Can't wait for winter to be over so we can start camping again!!!
My wife and I pull a GD 313RLTS @ 9K with our 2018 XL SD 6.2L gas crew cab. As you have said, lots of low torque and power for the mountains. No need at all for a smoker. I do love me a diesel, just won't buy what isn't needed. Dependable, reliable, gets the job done without a fuss.
I don't know its your decision I would never get rid of my 2017 f450 platinum. But hey nice truck.
If the 7.3 would have been available when I bought my diesel in 2018, I probably would have went back to gas. It is a lot cheaper, has plenty of power and I hate the fact that diesel jumps 20-30 cents a gallon in the winter, here where I live, because of "increased fuel oil production" .....BS.
First tow this Sunday... I’m completely confident in this power plant having driven it a bit now.
Gas trucks are to practical. No more $400.00 oil and fuel filter changes. No more DEF problems. No more turbo problems. No more CP4 pump failures with a $14,000.00 repair bill. You can't blow coal with a gas truck. A gas truck just makes to much common sense. I think you made a great choice for your needs.
Man you got ripped off. I was paying $180 at the Ford dealership for oil and filter change for our (now traded in) 2012 F350 6.7.
@@SirSteveFury That is the going rate ($400.00) for a late model diesel truck oil and oil filter change and 2 fuel filters changed. That is one of the reasons he traded in the diesel truck for a gas truck the high cost maintenance. I do my own diesel oil and filer change and cost me less then $50.00.
@@rvdogfl Well I just called Aikins Ford in Winder GA which is my local Ford dealer and got a synthetic oil change quote of $115 and $140 for all fuel filter changes on my 2017 6.7 for a total of $255... Not sure about the $145 more going rate. Maybe in California?
@@rvdogfl Is that a miss type, "do my own diesel oil". you mean gas?
@@GoingGordons Diesel is correct I own a Ram diesel truck
The 7.3 has definitely changed my thinking. I’m not a fan of the 6.2 for towing but like you said it’s basically like driving my 6.0 powerstroke without all the extra worrying. The low end torque is incredible compared to the 6.2 and from what I’m reading it gets much better fuel economy due to the 10 speed. Still torn between the 6.7 and 7.3. My biggest issue is there is no used 7.3’s but there’s plenty of used 6.7’s asking to be bought and deleted. I do plenty of heavy towing but plenty of in town driving as well.
Unless you are making a lot of money hauling freight, there is no reason to get a late model diesel. Way more cost up front, and never leaves the shop for less than 5 grand. All that money and at the end of the day you're getting a slight advantage. If you want a diesel just to have one, get an old 12v cummins or something
I had a 18 f250 lariat diesel and just traded it in for a 2020 f250 7.3 gas the diesel was overkill.
We will stick with our Diesel.
A wise decision James👍 You take good care of a diesel , running a good additive for more lubricity and good oil and change the fuel filters and your diesel will still be running down the road when those gas engines are in the boneyard already .
@@gd6349 Nope. Diesels have a time bomb in them spelled "DPF"
@@BenKlassen1 do you mean " DPF" ?
@@gd6349 Yes, fixed it. Thanks.
Diesels don't have the longevity that they were known for before the advent of DPF filters, EGR valves and DEF injection systems. It's a crazy, unnecessary bunch of EPA-mandated governmental overreach and stupidity. It's costing us all too in the form of higher costs for truck-delivered goods due to the additional truck repair costs having to be passed on to the consumer.
@@BenKlassen1 yeah and other time bombs: Injectors, turbos, CP4, head gaskets. Not to mention the price of diesel is more than gas even though it should be cheaper.
Used truck values have really gone up. It's really based on towing power and comfort. Glad to see that Ford is making great gassers. I'd love to have a 10 speed transmission, that's gotta be awesome.
BTW, back in the 80's the 460 gasser had more torque than the diesel and my 428CJ from the 70's has 462# torque stock and can get into the mid 550's no problem. One other thing about diesel is that it's heavy. Look at the NET GAIN, compare the weight the diesel adds vs the net torque it adds and then change the gearing around and see where you end up.
Good choice. Don’t get me wrong...I have a 04 diesel Excursion with a Bulletproofed 6.0 and it’s exactly what we need to haul the family, pets and pull the travel trailer. Unfortunately, they don’t make the Excursion anymore. Back when my Excursion was new, you could have also got the 5.4L Triton gasser or the V10 gasser....but they didn’t have near the specs as the 6.0 diesel, and the mileage sucked, especially when towing. Nowadays, things have advanced so much in the automotive industry that you can get what you need out of the gasser. If I were pulling a 5th wheel or running a hotshot operation, then I would look at a diesel over a gas truck, but you’ll be plenty fine with what you are using it for. Just like the Jeep...I owned a 76 CJ5, that rode and drove like heck,but was fun, nonetheless. Then I had the opportunity to rent a 4 door Wrangler....good power, good fuel economy and great fun!! The engine was half the size in the new Jeep, but it didn’t lack power! Technology has its advantages for sure. Good luck with the new truck and Jeep you’ll ejiynthrbthjb!
What are you doing to due when Biden signs an EO banning all Diesel engines for personal use? This Idiot in California has already banned all Internal combustion engines in 2030. And if you live in California and love Diesel or gas powered vehicles, sign the recall petition.
When diesel pickups got way better mileage than gas engines and the fuel was cheaper than gasoline (or even equal to the price of gas) and they were simple and bulletproof, diesels made sense. Modern gas engines are more efficient and diesels are not much better in fuel economy. Unless you are always pulling the maximum load rating on the truck, diesels don’t make sense anymore. Especially with the outrageous prices for parts like turbos and injectors.
Seems to me like a new engine that has worse fuel economy, less towing capability and no track record to prove its reliability.
isn't 100k miles on a diesel engine just getting broken in? vs a gas engine at 100k is a pretty worn engine
Mark Vidales That’s really not necessarily true. Toyotas 4.7 L gas V8 has several documented examples of reaching 1,000,000 miles, and there are 6.0 L Ford power stroke diesels didn’t make 50,000 miles. My 1993 Chevy Suburban that I used to own had 265,000 miles on the original gas 350 and it still ran like a charm when I sold it, and my Ford F-150 with the 4.9L inline 6 had over 330,000 miles on it when I sold the truck for parts because the frame rusted through, but the engine lives on in another F150 to this day, 6 years later. Chevy 4.3L V6 engines are known for going hundreds of thousands of miles with nothing major, as are the Buick 3800 V6 engines. There are a number of cars (Toyota and Honda especially) that have several hundreds of thousands of miles on them, all gasoline. I daily drive a 2000 Toyota Camry with a 2.2L 4 cylinder and a 5 speed. It has 170,000 miles on it and it runs like new, uses less than 1/2 a quart of oil over the 5,000 mile change interval I use, and it will get 38 MPG on the highway as long as I keep the speed below 70 MPH (it still manages 30 MPG at 85 MPH).
The cost for the diesel doesn’t pencil out anymore. Reliable gas power is the new fad, mated with a 10 spd tranny it’s great. Very few people need 1,000 ft. Lbs. torque on a daily basis. I get a kick out of some guys driving a 60-70k diesel truck in town shopping.
@@frankslaiter5188 It's not a new engine. Big block ford with pushrods.
Great truck. I love the Fast Lane Truck. And Ike Gauntlet runs.
Great video. I always enjoy your insight. I recently purchased a 2020 Lariat F-250 with the same 7.3 engine for a daily driver as well as pulling a 25 ft Airstream. Thanks for your informative videos.
Appreciate you watching!
Nice! I ordered a 2021 F-250 7.3 liter and just had a friend tell me it was a mistake to not to diesel. I’m new to towing and just did our first weekend trip towing our new 25’ Airstream with a rented Silverado HD with the Duramax Diesel engine. It towed amazing and couldn’t even feel the trailer behind us most of the time. I’m hoping the experience will be similar with the 7.3.
@@universalmediaus if you see yourself buying a big and heavy 5th wheel in the future, go with the diesel. We own a 17 f350 diesel and we have towed our 9,000 lbs. 32' travel trailer few times a month for the past three years and the diesel is more than adequate for this set-up. We now are planning on a long and heavy 5th wheel capable for our current truck to haul...no need for a newer more expensive truck since we already poses one🤙😉.
@@universalmediaus Todd, what kind of mileage are you seeing?
Congratulations on the new truck. When we was looking for a new truck, back in 2018, we couldn't make the numbers work on a diesel. We drove one and liked it. We are weekenders. We only pack a few tools and some clothes. We always just buy food and other supplies whenever we get where we are going. We are very happy with our 6.2 gas.
I totally agree with your choice . I'm waiting to see what GM 6.6L ends up like . I'll be choosing between the two HD gassers .
Up to 15,000 miles a year a Gasser is the only option, 15,000 to 30,000 a year either is a very good option. Over 30,000 miles a year the Diesel is the way to go unless you just can't stand diesel.
I just got a 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi. It's more then enough truck with none of the diesel tinkering.
I got a XLT with the 7.3. 4x4. Love it. But the mileage sux. But tows my 8k 26’ trailer great.
My Ford 6.2 400hp 400fpt 6 speed is amazing. Tows my 28' yacht and 28' toy hauler all day. Diesel maintenance, def, high gas prices and parts way overpriced.
Wow I’ve really been considering the 7.3 liter to tow our 2800 bh Imagine and potential upgrade in the future. Can’t wait to hear your opinion of the towing the trailer.
It tows much better than I expected. Have a 7.3 diesel, old one. It doesn't even compare. So much more power.
I had a 2012 Ford F-250 Lariat Supercab 4x4 off road, deleted beast that I bought in 2013, I drove it for 5 years or so, I got tired of the $150 dollar oil changes, 2k tires(not wheels), damn radiator busted in it in 2015, $400 dollar batteries, I was always dumping loads of money in it. Yes I had probably 25k worth of towing capability? Anyway in 2018 I traded it in for a 2018 F-150 XLT super-cab with the 3.5 ecoboost, I still needed something that will haul the boat and stuff and it’s been perfect, plenty of power and gas is cheap right now.
Just got a 2021 coachman pursuit 7.3 /6 speed and we are average 7.5/8.5 mpg 33ft class a towing a 2017 chev Colorado running 65/67 mph average speed can not complain love it in the hills had a 6.0 chev before good but a little weak in the hills I also like that it is a lot quitter i can actually hear the radio now lots of power in low rpms means less noise than high revving v10 or 6.0 onley regret is not having a 10 speed traney and did not want def /high cost maint of desal
This is great to hear!
Gas or diesel really comes down to how many miles /terrain you plan to travel only big difference is the Jake brake in the big hills coming down to fast is worse than a little slower going up @@WanderingWeekends
good call on the sunroof. my 2011 was doing same, and now spending 2900 to get it replaced. fortunately my body shop convinced insurance it wasn't common so it was covered under comp. but it's on 17 days back order
The diesel engine/transmission combo costs as mush as $8-10,000 more than the gas variant of the truck. But if you ask the Ford 6.0 liter owners they have to spend about $10,000 more to get the engine "bulletproofed" which is better head gaskets, upgraded head studs, etc. There are even some businesses out there that their entire business is based of repairing and upgrading Fords Powerstroke shortcomings. I've been working on diesels professionally since 2000 but in 2009 I decided to buy a new truck and I went gas. I think a lot of people think they like the power of the diesel but I'm not certain they don't like the turbocharger. Heres a nugget for everyone: you can put a turbo on a gas engine in a truck! From what I saw locally diesels got popularized in the early-mid 2000s by high school caucasian kids. Also alot of diesel truck owners nowaday don't even own or pull trailers they just use their F350 diesel 4x4 to get to McDonalds. I also see pro diesel people on youtube showing these cold start videos where they crank and crank and crank their trucks to get them started in the winter. My gas truck fires up pretty much the same all year round and when I have to replace the battery it just has 1 not 2 like most fullsize diesel pickups and that saves me $. Hell my gas truck doesn't even have a serviceable fuel filter and that saves me more $. When it gets cold out I don't have to get out an extension cord and hookup a block heater-thats kinda like having your truck on life support all night so that it might start in the morning. Also changing the oil on these diesel pickups is well over $100 especially if you use name brand oil and replace the fuel filters at the same time like you should. Some of these people like to race these diesel truck and I raced a new Cummins SRW (single rear wheel) one day and I put a couple truck lengths on him-just to be fair we should have a second race where i get to have a turbo and he does not like my gas truck didn't in the first race we all know what would happen. I'd also like to point out 1 other thing these diesel truck guys have kinda ruined the tire market now almost every tire thats a little oversized like a 33 inch and up are all E rated and even F rated. Theres not many options for an oversized C or D rated tire anymore. A C or D rated tire can bite alot harder than those stiff tires these diesel guys think they need to go to McDonalds. Even the diesel fuel can gel on you when it gets cold out. I'll just keep my gas truck alot of this country was built off the backs of small and big block gas V8s
Oh yeah and I drove a 2012 Dodge Cummins for about 4 years as a service truck and at about 75,000 miles or so I started getting messages on the dash about the DEF system and it was counting down from 200 miles saying that it wouldn't restart if the issue wasn't repaired. Thats a great feeling to have a vehicle that has a mind of its own.
Good vid...need to dump that ford now before you get the death rattle!
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ive got a 2000 7.3 diesel with 151k on it (and boy is it under powered compared to todays diesels) i probably still haven't broke even on the premium paid over 20yrs ago, not to mention i need to stick about 18k in rust repair and new paint but that's the same problem no matter what the engine
Not only does your engine make older diesel torque numbers... but you also have a 10spd. Which is a torque multiplier!!!
Similar diesel torque to my 1992 12V. My 06 cummins smokes this I guarentee it.
Having a 10 speed isn't a torque multiplier
@@deputyja1
Sounds like you just need a 1spd then.
@@great0789 you won't be using 10 gears with a gas motor towing anything. I don't understand your comment
Same deal, sold my 1500 for near purchase price. Can’t find a super duty I like within budget. I’ll wait it out.
your wait could pay off boxing week is the busiest car sales week of the year and massive past model year rebates are always bigger from the factories, some boxing week sales some years for me I made as much money in 1 week in sales /leasing than in the 3/4 previous months , thats why i love boxing week sales in the car industry and you can find a truck within 500 miles of you and save even a few more thousand dollars , been doing it for decades , my partner she visits family during the daytime while i put in the work and join them in the evening for dinner when my day is done I truly hope you find your truck , there's always one out there for ya!! 👍
My last truck was a gasser, gave it to my son with almost 300.000 miles on it, he’s still driving it, my new truck is a gasser, didn’t go with diesel, for all the reasons you gave. Only thing is I went with Chevy, never had any luck with Fords, Beautiful truck tho.
Enjoy those new trucks! My 6.7 with six speed transmission is paid for and the interest rate IS ZERO. Just think how that money could be used to pay off a 15-year mortgage in only 10 years (give or take).
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Most people that owned or own an 6.4 power stroke did mods. Most gotten messed up. I've never done that. Wont. My truck is almost at 100,000 miles. Some work to it. Not much. Yet I have no diesel Def. 2008. I will personally never go back to an gas truck. I will never buy an new model. The only thing I do not like about my truck is the seat covers. Its an King Ranch. Real cow hide. Very uncomfortable and it takes a lot of care. Yet everyone one to their own. My avg mpg to be safe is 18.5 . yet nice new truck. Im glad your happy with it.
A close friend of mine bought a 2020 f250 7.3 gas early this year. As of today they still love it towing their 7k travel trailer. I own a 2015 ram 2500 6.4 and love it. This makes me not want a diesel even more. Thanks for sharing!
227,000 miles on my '00 F-250 Powerstroke. Still good fuel mileage and it's been paid off for years.
I think you just sold me on the gas F250.
I’m still happy!
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You can always add a Pro Charger Supercharger and get 500+ HP!
A year ago I bought a new 2019 Platinum F450 6.7 that had huge discounts. I tow a 40' 5th wheel and other heavy stuff. Highway mileage is good, and the smooth power is legendary. Diesels always hold value, but especially now. The 7.3 gasser is fine for some, but not me. The diesel torque is reason enough, but it is also a very durable engine. I'm just glad I bought when I did. I haven't seen a new dually on any dealer lot since March. For you the F250 seems like a good choice.
I tow in ID and MT. I think the 7.3 would struggle up here in the summer.
Dam this guy goes thru trucks like I go thru underwear.😐
Time to change em out!
Just brought home my 7.3L 2 days ago (got the 350 SRW for the added payload). Can't wait to pull our TT! Good buy and thanks for the re-affirming video. All my buddies have been dogging me for not getting the diesel. Wasn't going to pay $100 more a month for that privilege when I didn't need it.
You made a good choice on a gasser if you have no plan on going big on a rv in the future. Our current rv is only 9,000 lbs. and our 17 f350 diesel is more than adequate for it but we see ourselves getting a heavy and long 5th wheel in the near future...so our current diesel truck said; bring it on!
Seems to be easier finding a diesel up here than the 7.3 i wanted the 7.3 but i have to order a 2022 and might not be able to get until next year. So i might just get the f250 with the 6.7 the dealer has on the lot.
I bought a new truck this year. Was not looking for a diesel, but found a deal on one and pull the trigger. One advantage I never thought of was the ability to use the truck stop (big truck) fuel lanes. It totally takes away the stress of getting the truck and trailer in and out of the station. Also, much faster to fill up with the big nozzles, I upgraded to a 60 gal tank.
Those are two things I would be jealous of. The truck stop fuel lanes are convenient, but the real shame is not being able to get a midship 60 gal tank for a gas super duty. Transferflow made one for the F150 recently, but has said it does not have plans to make one for the 6.2/7.3 unfortunately.
I whole heartedly agree. We pull a 38' TT with a diesel Excursion. With the size of the rig and tank (44 gal.) having the large lanes and fast flow pumps not limited to 35 gal. or $100 or whatever is highly beneficial. And Pilot stations you can use a regular CC at the pump. Love it.
Plus they have def at the pump. So I can buy what I need rather than a jug of it that ends up riding around in the tool box until I need more 🤷🏻♂️
Oh and pro tip: get a transfer tank, plumb it in to the main tank, and wham bam thank you ma’am I’ve now got 1700 mile range 👍🏼
The company I work for quit buying Ford diesel. My 2019 6.2 is a joke might be getting 7 mpg now after 10,000 miles.
My 17 6.2 gets 7.6 mpg pulling 16 foot plumbing trailer
Probably fine as it's not a working truck...
if the fuel is direct cylinder injection then you can consider the gasser essentially a diesel with spark ignition assistance. They are called diesel engines because the late Frenchmen Mr Diesel invented the engine concept. And it was designed from the start as a multi fuel capable engine.