Ford SuperDuty V8s 6.2 Liter vs 7.3 Liter Towing, Everyday Driving, Is the 7.3 Worth the Upgrade?
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Ive had diesels since 1996, and have had 3-6.7's through out 2011. Great motor by Ford. I decided to try the 7.3 since I am towing much less but still the same 11-16k loads. At first being a diesel guy I thought I made a huge mistake. It tows the same loads just takes a little longer to get up to speed and stop. The savings was 8k less upfront which we all know you get that back when you trade in...but the long term costs are less in filter changes, oil changes are 1/2, no DEF fluid...etc. I have 35k miles now and have owned the truck for 2 years...I will probably get another 7.3 in 2024. I really like it. My mileage is slightly less cause I leveled mine with a 3" progressive springs and shock from Carli and 37's...Looks like a Tremor on steroids. Towing the same 16k load I get 7.2 where's my 6.7 was getting 9.2-5 stock on 34's. Leveling and adding 37's cost me approx. 1-1.5mpg loss in fuel consumption in the real world. I think the 5 star tune in the 87octane heavy tow tune actually helps with power/torque as well as tranny tune for the loss of no exhaust brake.
I have been a diesel guy for years myself. I am going back to gas I think. I don't tow but I always have a max payload due to my truck camper. 💩 mileage with that big old brick no matter what motor I am running. Thanks for the info provided.
Checking prices on my 2021 F350 4x4 7.3 vs a powerstroke the powerstroke is only worth 5k more now despite costing 8k more (which this truck is worth 3-5k more than I paid new now lol)
I went diesel in 2015 hard to give it up while everyone said my emission system would give me lot of trouble it hasn't actually. The only thing ever done was put DEF in it that's it. I have no need to make more power has more than enough to tow with.
Sold. I’ve been looking at gas and diesel and for my 12k lb 5th wheel I’ve all but decided to go with 7.3 gasser. I’ve heard a new 7.3 more refined gas is coming.
The 6.2 is an overhead cam. Which means it NATURALLY can handle more rpm.
4500 rpm is nothing.
If you think his point in any way shape or form was to suggest it cannot handle it, I recommend never commenting on engine comparisons as it relates to towing.
@@jabroni6199
NO, it left a comment not a gripe or complaint.
I have both right now.
In two weeks, the 6.2 is going up for sale.
The 7.3 is a beast, I love the sound too. No B.S. diesel emissions crap.
I currently drive 2020 6.7 Lariat Dually but is not considering 7.2 2023 Long Bed SRW. I don't have a trailer to pull nor know how. I would love the sound as well. What gear did you get? What are you getting mpg?
Compared to $2k on f250, the 7.3 is a $1700 option on the f350, because the 6.2 comes with the 10 speed (f350 only as of now). And those who want a bigger gas tank need to opt for the long bed crew cab to get the 48 gal tank. 👍
exactly that is what I have a 2022 f250 7.3 with long bed 48 gallon tank
Just did our annual 5K mile trip to Tucson across the plains states and over the mountain passes. 7.3 with 4.30's. Pulled very nicely. Pulled grades at 2K RPM that our previous 6.2 couldn't hold (at that RPM). 9.1 MPG average for the trip. Pulling a 11.5K fifth wheel. The 6.2 did the trip twice (2018 with 4.30's) and did 8.3 and 8.4 MPG. He is right one the money about the torque curve. The 2,000 to 2,500 RPM sweet spot is much more robust. The 10 speed is a BIG plus. IMO, the 6.2 would benefit hugely from a 10 speed; so get the F350 with the 6.2 to get the 10 speed.
The Boss 6.2 would have benefitted from more displacement. Boss had the same displacement potential as Godzilla since they are both on 4.53 inch bore centers.
Boss was the better engine platform that needed more cubes.
Brian Wolfe fucked us with his idiotic decision to move to cam-in-block wedge Godzilla.
It's a real shame they're stopping the 6.2L. I have two and have had excellent luck with these.
But now they have the 6.8 which will be even better.
If you order the 6.2l in the F-350 it will come with the 10-speed transmission
I've had a 2022 7.3L 3.73 gearing F-350 fully loaded Lariat on order since December. I honestly can say, I do not expect this unit until October, and have a feeling I will be bumped to the 2023 model year. My 2010 F-150 was stolen out of my driveway over 2 years ago, and I have been driving my wife's hand-me-down, 2003, rusted out Dodge Caravan that each of our kids have driven prior to me, for the past 2 years. It's been good to me, and the only things that have suffered have been my ego, and my intimate life with my wife, as she jokingly states it's a turn-off to see me driving it. So please pray for me, that this vehicle I have on order comes sooner, rather than later.
I feel your pain. Simular story but mine occurred in 2021. Ordered a F350 7.3l, 3.73 rear on 2/4/21. Before the chip shortage was announced. It was to be delivered in 6 weeks. Chip shortage was announce a couple weeks later. Ford was good by me calling every week with status. By mid March they told me it was being built soon but w/o the needed chips. They also said they cut off orders for 21's early to finish up the backlog. I asked about just changing it to a 22' since they said there was not going to be any significant changes. The had no issues with doing that other than they could not quote me a price for a few weeks, but count on $2-$4k more. Dealer told me I'd lose the discount off sticker as well that I had on my 21'. The kicker was when he told me I'd go to the end of the line and it would be at least Dec. or Jan (best guess) to see it. I told them I'd wait for my 21'. It was delivered 9/1/21; 7 months. Heaven only knows what it would have been for the 22'?
I ordered my 7.3 F 350 the first week of March 2022. Son in law works at the dealership and said not to look for it until January 2023.
Ordered my 2022 f350 lariat 7.3 srw fairly base spec'd end of March just got my email 5/11 it's scheduled to be built June 27th.
Pretty funny you guys are waiting almost a year for a 7.3 that’s a two thousand dollar option when GM offers a 6.6 gasser that makes similar power and is also built for longevity like a forged crank and forged pistons. Also you don’t have to pay no bs up charge to get it they come standard with the 6.6
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Then again it is a Chevy! I will gladly wait for a Ford!
I own both, 2015 6.2 over 200k one valve springs, set of spark plugs, thats it, 2021 7.3 just rolled 40k no issues. I pull loads close to 20k lbs with both. Yes the 7.3 does out pull the 6.2 with that said, its not day and night. The 6.2 holds its own for sure. Now I do not like the 10 speed, its not near as smooth as the 6. The 6 down shifting is stronger smoother more accurate. my 10 speed has to think about whats its doing and sometimes jolts the truck. Off road applications my 6.2 walks around my 7.3, not even close both trucks are 3.73 rear ends. I drive with common sense, I'm in no hurry usually, but when merging onto interstate the 7.3 beats the 6.2 hands down, as for mileage, I wish I was getting his mileage on the 7.3. Pulling 20k lbs expect around 6 mpg at 65 mph. in 8th gear. Daily driving I'm seeing arouind 12. If you occassionly pull a load I'd go 6.2. I was laughed at for not buying diesel when I got my 6.2 but I saw the dpf issues, turbo issues, cost of repair etc and it was a no brainer. I've owned every diesel out there except the druamax and I have no regrets, I was diesel when it wasn't cool, 1st gen dodge. They all pulled big loads. Hands down my gas jobs cost less to operate. If you want to know why ford came out with the big gas its because the big fleets asked for it, they were tired of the diesel issues and cost to maintain. Ford answered and now cummins I hear has a gas inline. Remember the 300 ford six banger, it was a torque beast, some things always come full circle.
This is great input. Thank you for helping others make their decision easier!
Great comment. In me research people have echoed your thoughts on the 10 speed . I’ve read it’s best suited with the 4.30 rear end. Not as such shifting / searching for the right gear. Just what I’ve read others say. Like to to know if this is the case
Epa killed the pickup diesel. But personally i still wish both ford and chevy did I6 diesels. Im guessing you have a dually 7.3? 12 in town is not bad for a dually i say. My 4spd hd 150 5.4 3v 4.10 gets 12/15, and 10.5 towing about 6k. Id love the 7.3 in my truck, lol.
That inline 6 was the best motor put in a 150 ever made imo
Actually the torque on the 6.2 got bumped up to 430 lb ft
I have a 2019 f250 with the 6.2. I found one with 4:30 gears. I live and work in the mountains of southwest Virginia. I pull my tool trailer (around 10,000 lbs) an average of 3 times a week. I also own a 2004 6.0 power stroke, and a 2004 5.9 Cummins. The 19 pulls as good or better than my older diesels. I am getting better mileage not towing than you are, but your towing mileage is the same as mine. I like the 6 speed transmission. If I lived in flat lands I would opt for the 3:73s, but in the mountains the 4:30s are a no brainer. I would like to try the 7.3, but I'm leery of the 10 speed transmission. I will probably get another 6.2 with 4:30s when the time comes. I just wish we could have a manual transmission in the super dutys again!
I also have a '19 with the 6.2/4.30s. To me the truck feels like a rocket when passing someone. It has more than enough power for me and the 6 speed works great for my towing needs. I would buy the combo again as I feel its reliable. I do wish mpg was better as I only get around 14mpg.
@@spyder000069 If you want that motor, you will have to buy used. Ford, in their infinite wisdom, have stopped production of the 6.2. It seems like everything I buy and like is discontinued by the manufacturer just before I buy another one. And yes, I have owned a 300 six cylinder, with a four speed manual. Best powertrain Ford ever made. They had to quit making them because they never broke down!
@@briancorboy1042 That is why I am not selling my 2019 F250 with the 6.2. Its my toy hauler truck so I only have something like 25k miles on it. Fully loaded xlt fx4 with pano sunroof. Only a few gripes. Turning radius is terrible (crew cab / 6.5ft bed). Terrible in tight parking lots. At 19k I had a death wobble event that left my wife and daughter not wanting to ride in it for a while. It was the most violent shaking I have had (and I have been in some beaters over the last 35+ years). They had to replace a few steering components under warranty. Other than that its been a great truck. Hauls my 16 and 20ft enclosed trailers with ease. I always have a smaller vehicle as a daily driver.
Ya stay away from the 10 speed with the 6.2. The red line on the 6.2 is too high, and the rpm drop between 1st and 2nd is too wide--
Of course between the other gears too, but between 1st and 2nd it feels like an old 2.45/1.45 drop in any of the old three speed automatics..... Needs closer spacing for that 6.2's power curve. doesn't feel good when you're really on it, and we had a 10 speed go out in a work truck at like 50,000 miles. Same trans in a 7.3 work truck has over 100k on it, but the rpm drop is much closer cause of the lower redline ....
@@briancorboy1042 I wonder if having an old ford built with i.e. a turbo 300 and zf5 with gear vendor could be cheaper than buying new. I'm thinking of buying a ~10 year old 6.2 to tow my 9k lbs rv trailer, then maybe building an old truck when I get some land if I ever have enough time and energy
The 10 speed is prob making all the difference. I agree that if it’s your daily driver, they are pretty comparable. If you tow ALL the time, you prob need to go diesel. Otherwise, Gas is better, because of all the restrictions. For gas, the 7.3 is clearly the way to go. There’s no replacement for displacement.
I tow over 85% of the time and the gas mileage towing with diesel is washed out by the more expensive diesel fuel and that doesn't count DEF or services
Still driving my '91 F-250 with 7.3 diesel
No Computer chip or turbo
I have a 6.2, 4.30 differential. It is rated at 385 hp and 430 TQ (approximately 10% less than the 7.3). I get 9 - 9.5 towing 12,000 lbs. Unloaded around town I get 14 and 15 on the road. It really depends how heavy your foot is.
If I was ordering, I would get the 7.3 and 10 speed just to have it. My top preferences for ordering for towing would be 4:30 rear, 48 gallon gas tank and 10 speed. Extra gears are great.
I'd love to see a comparison of a 7.3, 3.55 rear to a 6.2 with a 4:30. My 6.2 would tow a 7,500 pound trailer with ease.
For medium duty work, a 6.2 is great. If that's all you do, 7.3 is not really needed, wants vs needs.
All the landscaping companies around here have mostly 6.2's and some Dodges (RAMS), and several ole' reliable 7.3 diesel. The 7.3 Godzilla will be perfect due to the insane Diesel prices and will tow/haul typical landscaping trailers fine, though, I am yet to see one. So it's 6.2. I think in time, the Godzilla will be added with 6.8 V10 tow trucks for hauling sizable vehicles. Yesterday a V10 dropped off a '07 Expedition (5,500 pounds I'm guessing). *I think Ford saved themselves with the 6.2 and now the Godzilla.
I get similar mileage.
We are considering a used 2017 f250 6.2 with the 4.30 for towing a 13k fifth wheel. How does your rig do when climbing hills/mountains?
Man, i am having misfire issues with my 6.2 like crazy, ford cant even fix it. That dual overhead bs is an issue waiting to hsppen. Go 7.3
I have a 2018 6.2 with the same rear end as you and I couldn’t be more pleased with the towing. Gas mileage sucks but I can pull sandstone mountain in WV at 65 without the engine screaming to loud. When it comes time I’ll probably go to the Godzilla motor though.
Loved my 6.2 but it screamed hauling heavy loads. Towed anything but not comfortably. Smooth and reliable
Nice thanks for being honest! I watched a ram 6.4 towing video dude was like look no effort…. But it was screaming like traditional gassers do when towing. What I compare this 7.3 to is the old 7.3 it tows the same way reliable no super revving just pulling maintaining posted speed with 30k gvwr.
I have a 7.3 and added a Supercharger and get 605 HP and love it.
Which supercharger? Have a 21 regular cab.
Nice man
Not much difference power or mileage wise in the F350 when they both get the same 10-speed transmission, reliability I give the $1750 cheaper 6.2 the nod
I have a 2012 f250 6.2L. New ford reman eng. Have never got that kind of gas mileage. I don't ride it hard at all. Best I get running around is 9.5 just the p/u. Loaded with 24'gooseneck and 19k plus,6.9 -7.4
Make 1100mi trips every 2-5 wks.
38yr professional med/hvy tech. Have not owned a diesel a don't intend to. Both of our boy's Dodges are broke down and i'm not going to fix them. But,I will haul them them somewhere with my 6.2 gas ford.
Since 2017 6.2 is 385 and 430ft lbs. And 2020 f350 6.2 has the 10 speed.
I wonder if I could replace the 6.2 in my Raptor with that 7.3
They fit one into a newer mustang, you’ll be fine lol
Hi good info video.
I have a 2012 f250 with the 6.2 373 6 speed trans. Bought it brand new and I love it. I avg 13.4 hwy and 9 towing my 10,200 camper. You can get a 10 speed trans for the 6.2. I will buy the 7.3 w/ 10 sp when / if the prices come back to reality. Either way I'm keeping my 2012 ( still looks new. )
The 6.2 the only way to get the 10speed is on a f350 and you can also get it on flex fuel
My experience with mileage has been slightly worse, but I live in the rockies so that is to be expected. The best mileage I have gotten on an entire tank was 15.6. Around town I get somewhere between 11-13. Highway the best I have seen was 16.9 on a return leg of a 400 mile road trip (the initial leg of the trip I averaged 15 mpg going up hill. I run 91 octane almost exclusively as the station with the best prices nearest to my home only offers 85 and 91. I did get the 16.9 mpg after filling up with 87, but that was going downhill for a good portion of the trip. While towing I average 10mpg on 91 octane, while traveling on a mixture of interstate and mountain highways. If you want maximum mpg towing I would suggest limiting your speed to 60mph. 🤘🏻🙂
💯 speed kills mpg & just an extra 5mph can be the difference in reasonable mileage and poor mileage and only gain you 5min per hr driving
On the 7.3 or 6.2?
@@calebcaleb5603 I have the 7.3 with the 3.7 rear end ratio.
@@roywall8169 what year and how many miles you got now?
@@calebcaleb5603 its a 2022, and it now has 14.5k miles.
ford 6.2 With the f350 DRW only get the 10 speed with the 6.2
I get the want for a diesel. Its exists mostly among buyers who dont deal with them as a profession. The 7.3 is by far the best gas option in the HD market as a diesel alternative. GM 6.6 would be the runner up and the 6.4 would be the 3rd best option. The 7.3 is a sensible work horse and far simpler than the other 2 gas options with alot more torque available earlier on where its needed most. And for those that work on their engines to maintain them will really appreciate the 7.3s simplicity. Think short block chevy(before direct injection and AFM/DFM). ITS LITERALLY 445 CI. OF NO NONSENSE
Gotta ask since you seem pretty learned on it all: I've heard the 6.2's 6-speed tranny is near as bulletproof as you can get nowadays, not sure about that 10-Speed though. What're your thoughts on it? I'm pretty new top the whole truck space and am trying to research for a travel trailer hauler in the future
@@wilsonram39 then its a double edged sword isnt it? Yeah the older 6 spd is proven. Yes the newer 10 spd will out perform it. I like the 10 spd alot. Has its quirks tho. I have 36,000 miles now on my first generation 10 spd Super Duty and have been very happy. Its a very aggressive transmission. It likes to perform. The more aggressive you drive the better. The negative? At times, occasionally, during low speed manuveurs where your coming off the throttle to prepare for a turn it doesnt know what to do. When its not completely warmed up yet youll get a similar reaction too.
I’m perfectly ok with my 2017 f350 6.2 with 4:30 gears. I have a banks pedal monster on it combined with a custom 87 daily/tow tune from five star performance. The thing rips compared to my old 2013 f150 5 liter. It’s plenty of truck for my use!
Do you hear the injectors ticking when revving?
@@wesleydean4228 no idea, never noticed. I’ll check next time.
@@Twizztify thank you.
Thanks for this info.
Sticker shock is the only thing holding me back from trading for the 7.3. My '03 Ram 5.9 is my pride and joy, and many who see it ask me if I will sell it to them, and I am tempted, for the same reasons you had for going back to a gasser.
It's just very hard to make the leap, especially considering the uncertainty of our economy as well as the future of energy in our country. I don't know if my wife and I will travel in our rv like we used to. We are in our 70's and not full timers, just some timers.
But if things get really bad......we might end up living in the trailer in the backyard.
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I plan to get 6.2 in my 2005 F-150 SC to towing/off road trips. I have 3.73 gears presently and planning to get 4.56. Running on 37” tires and get around 10 mpg and 8 mpg towing on 5.4. My travel trailer only 4k weigh. Hopefully 6.2 and 6 speed trans helped better towing and off road also get more speed on uphill while tows. I know I plan to get F-350 crew srw diesel in future but can’t afford right now. Maybe in few years. After get bigger travel trailer.
He upgrade from 6.2 to 7.3 seems like a no brainer, both for the mileage over the life of the truck and for resale if you like new trucks regularly. The 7.3 was designed from the start to be used (in a defined form) in commercial vehicles.
The upgrade from the 7.3 gas to diesel seems like a good idea only if you really need the torque, such as towing a big 5th wheel or hot-shotting for a living.
Thanks for the real world comparison! I bet collecting and compiling all that information was time consuming.
Cheers!
That torque curve chart reminded me why I'm reluctant to turn loose our 2008 superduty V10. 80% of the torque is available at 2200 rpm and max torque 457 lbs is at 3250 rpm. With 4:10 gears and the 5 speed trans it tows our sub 5000 lb camper easily. 13-14 mpg average not towing, 9.5 mpg towing. Driving with a light foot and keeping the factory tire size with low rolling resistance highway tread is the key to getting reasonable mpg.
I absolutely agree. I have the same set up in my 2009 and it is a towing machine.
Exactly.. 6.8 especially 3v version
@@doddgarger6806 It is definitely a well designed towing motor even with just a 5 speed transmission. It delivers all the torque early in the rpm band. I can take it up to 2000 rpm (65mph) and hold that speed without any downshifting.
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I ended up with a 2021 F250 with the 6.2 v8 and 6 speed tranny. That motor is fantastic. It it smooth, easy and fast revving. I tow a travel trailer at 7,000 lbs and it does it extremely well. I did hit a very long, steep grade North of Chattanooga TN last year and it ran 4,700 RPM to keep the truck/trailer at 54 MPH. Comparing this motor to the class C RV with the 6.8l v10 I used to have, it would run 4,500 RPM to run 45 MPH up mountains. But, my next truck, which hopefully wont be for years, would be the 7.3l.
I sold a 2004 Dodge Ram with the 24 valve Cummins and 3:73 gear to buy a 2022 F350 with the 7.3 Godzilla also with the 3:73 gear. I pull a 35 foot 5th wheel trailer that weighs in between 11.000 and 12,000 fully loaded. I have no regrets. The Godzilla gets about 1-2 MPG less daily driving and 2-3 MPG less towing than my old Cummins but with gas being usually $1 less per gallon than Diesel anymore the Godzilla still ends up being less expensive to operate and that is just from a fuel perspective, we aren't figuring in the additional maintenance cost of the diesel. The 1st and second gear ratios in the 10 speed are both lower than the 1st gear ration in my old Dodge so I really don't feel like It takes any longer to get off the line with the trailer. The torque and horse power the 7.3 delivers is really close to the old 24 valve Cummins. It was only 355 horse power and 525 ft lbs of torque compared to the 7.3 430 horse and 475 ft lbs of torque. However it is important to remember gearing has a lot to do with it and the 10 speed helps negate that loss of the 50 ft lbs of torque. If you really want to help the 7.3 do it's very best get the 4:30's. They will get you off the line even better under load. However the 4:30's won't do much when you're up to speed as the 10 speed is going to put you in the gear you need to be in to maintain the level of torque required to hold each load at speed. When on the two lane 55MPH roads with my 3:73's I can hit 10th gear but on the expressway at higher speeds of 70-75 MPH and creating more of my own wind resistance due to my high profile 5th wheel I usually lock out 9th and 10th. If it gets really hilly I lock out 8th and tow in 7th. She drinks a little more fuel but this negates the constant downshifting as you climb hills because at highway speeds in 7th gear she runs a little higher RPM and sits a little deeper into the torque curve so I can climb most hills in 7th with no trouble. If I try and stay in 8th, I'm either going to lose speed climbing the hill or the 10 speed is going to drop to 6th or sometimes as low as 5th gear to catch up, so I find it best to stay in 7th when the road isn't flat. The 10speed makes it easy to customize your tow experience. It took some getting used to going back to a gas after towing with a Diesel for 12 years but I am very pleased with the 7.3 so far.
What does your intel tell you about the 7.3's lifter and cam delamination problem? Apparently, the affected SD's that have these problems, are doing so at relatively low miles.
I did a video about that issue! Is My 7.3 Ford Gasser Going to Blow Up? // Here is What I've Learned
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I have a 2015 super duty 6.2 in alabama i average 15.6 on highway and towing my car trailer average is 12.3 mpg if i stay in the south
What do you think about reliability so far on the 7.3 with 10spd?
So far so good. Everyday driving for a year now.
You can get a 10 speed transmission with a 6.2 but only in a f350 or higher.
You must have the lower gears in your 6.2, I get 13.8-14.0 around town and up to 14.8 on a long highway trip.
The 7.3 was built to handle up to medium duty trucks. It should easily outlast the 6.2 and like he said the torque curve is far better on the 7.3 . Another couple years and they probably drop the 6.2
Try 5 months lol. The 6.2L is being replaced with the new 6.8L V8.
@@nathanmcdonald610yeah he was pretty spot on with that prediction lol, it just happened faster than expected
Could not agree more. I have had my 7.3 for 6 months now. I tow at elevation (My home is at 4500 feet and I tow as high as 10000 feet above sea level), and this truck is more than I had hoped for. My trailer weighs 7500lbs and I also have an atv and generator in the truck bed. I have zero problems climbing hills at speed, and the transmission also does a good job at helping brake on descent. It is not as good as engine braking with a 6.7, but it is sufficient. I have yet to pull the most challenging canyon in my area, but that will be remedied in August. The canyon climbs from approximately 5800 feet to 10500 feet. The max speed limit while doing so is 30mph, but there are a dozen or so switchbacks with the speed limit dropping to 10mph, so the transmission will be put to the test. I did this pull last year with an ecoboost (3.5) minus the atv in the bed, and that is why I now own the 7.3.
Did you try your climb through the canyon?
@@jamesvaldez4093 I did. The New truck performed flawlessly. I did have a change to the payload. I added a second atv, so I needed to use a truck bed rack that would accommodate two bikes. The truck did not even breathe heavy. It went up the hill easily. I was concerned about the descent (this being my first time using the truck in this canyon), so I used 4WL on the descent which turned out to be over kill.
@@roywall8169 Thanks!!! I'm considering one of these to tow a camp trailer at roughly 10,000 pounds. I live in AZ and have mountains and heat to deal with. I appreciate the info.
I've been towing my F250 with ym F150 ecoboost and I've had a trans and engine overheat, so glad to hear the 7.3 is a big upgrade from the 3.5 eco.
Thanks for the comparison. As I get closer to retirement I thought about upgrading to a bigger truck to haul my camper. (It's only 4,700 lbs. I think i will stay (for a while) with my 1/2 ton, it gets 22mpg & 12 towing. Your comparison really help answer some questions I had. Nice job. Thank you.
What engine, transmission, rear end gear, cab, and bed does your 1/2 ton have? 22 & 12 is respectable!
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@Twogreenfeet 2015 ford f150 crew cab ,2.7L ecoboost 5.5ft bed the other 2 I'm not sure. I drive very easily. That helps with the mileage.
No replacement for displacement
If you are working and not just playing, torque curve and rpm is the most important factor.
That's why in the old days, people towing liked the old 300 inline 6 over even a 351v8
Too bad they didn’t bring back the 7.5 (460). Best engine I ever had in a truck and I’ve had 6.2 and the 7.3.
You had the 7.3 gasser?
Meh 235 hp was pretty damn weak
2017 supercab f250 4x4 on stock size A/T tires, 4:30 gearing. I'm getting 16.5 avg mpg's empty on the highway, and 11.5 towing 8k lbs.
With that gear ratio, this thing tows 8k without a thought. I tow 12k lbs about once every other month across a couple of states, and it still pulls fine even uphill.
Would I trade to 7.3? Probably, but not for any reason I can think of.
What makes YOU Comfortable. Yes, the Diesel is the best. But get what YOU want. If you don’t like what you got, GET A DIFFERENT one.
I'd like to find a comparison for the 6.6 GMC gas vs the 7.3
TFL Truck on TH-cam has it
This was great info, plus reading all the comments was informative as well. Considering going to the gasser after 3 diesels. Becoming a pain to service on the road when you dont know the mechanics. DEF is hit and miss unless you go to a truck stop. I was considering a cutaway service bed to put additional camping gear in plus a porta potty when traveling for my wife. Although we pull a 24ft TT she could use without stopping.
I have a 7.3 on a 250 with a 3.55 axle. I can tow 13,000 at grades up to 7% with no issues. My real world milage averages 12.6 empty, and 9.1 when towing. Milage is worse from 750 feet in elevation to 3,000 feet, but the power does not seem to be effected. Few vehicles can trailer tow as well as they claim (250 with 6.2, tundra with 5.8 and Tacoma with the 3.5), but this engine seems to have it where it counts.
The unloaded MPG on the 7.3 is the selling point. Pretty sure the largest difference you're experiencing is the 10 speed transmission, not the 13% more torque of 7.3. Honestly I would have thought the 7.3 + 10 speed would edge out the 6.2 in towing MPG.
Keep in mind you’re getting a better towing experience for the same MPG’s
You can now get the 6.2 with the 10 speed, but AFAIK only in the F350, the 250 version on the online order system is locked to the 6 speed
The low rpm torque number of the Godzilla 7.3 400@1500 rpm is what gets your load rolling and will really come in handy while starting off on an incline.
I’ve owned 4 7.3 power strokes 2 of them stick shift they averaged around 15-16 mpg with a 10K GVW load.
My 2020 Godzilla same trip same weight 3:73’s I’m right around 14 mpg.
I’ve also made that same yearly trip out to Colorado in my stick shift 5.4 w/3:73’s and averaged 13.5 mpg.
Great feedback. Thank you!
We have a F250 on order - we were able to get it in right before they stopped taking new orders. I told my husband we needed to get the 7.3 based on your earlier video. Happy to hear your are still loving your truck. We are looking forward to getting our truck later this year.
I want the 7.3 10 speed combo. Currently have a 99 7.3 diesel 4 speed and got caught in the rockies towing a 11,000 5th wheel. I can pull a grade at 55, but slowing to 10 mph for switchbacks made it difficult to regain speed with only 4 gears. The tranny was not happy and a 10 speed would have been a huge help.
What if any, mechanical issues have you had with either motor ?
Ty👍
Zero from either. Just bought my 2nd 7.3. Very happy with the power plant.
7.3 with 3.55 gears in NE Oklahoma. 13 avg and 8 towing.
2022 f450 7.3G 4.88 gear. BEAST!! Upgraded from a 99 f450 7.3 D. New truck is twice the puller!
Nice
With a $8k supercharger the 7.3 will put up torque numbers comparative to the diesel and way more horsepower, but still be cheaper than buying the diesel engine. Won't have the same torque curve but could be something to look into for guys who want more power, more consistent power at altitude, or don't want to burn diesel and DEF and deal with that BS.
torqstorm makes smaller american made superchargers for a very reasonable price i think the kit for my camaro is like 4500 for everthing
F250-6.2: 13k lbs; No problems towing that travel trailer. The $1k hitch makes a huge difference. Never went below 60 mph on a steep grade. It was at its limit, but no problem. Really like that truck.
Rear end ratio
Mpg when not towing?
Last time I checked, you can get the 10 speed with the 6.2 on the F350.
Love the 7.3 for pushing snow, I rarely have to step on the pedal
Nice video Cory. I’ve had my 7.3 on order since January. Can’t wait for it to come in, hoping before our big trip this summer.
What Octane rating does the 7.3 require? Thanks.
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The 6.2 in my 2017 is a fine engine . . . but not in a truck. It's feels like a 4 cyl. Honda (needs lots of revs to generate hp and has little torque).
Aside from the upgrade cost of $2k for the 7.3, there is no downside.
The 7.3 is fun to drive. I've got a 2022 F350 7.3, 4:30 gearing I bought sight unseen. I test drove the diesel (freight train) and an anemic 6.2 and ordered the 7.3 without having driven one, since there weren't any on the lots. Boy was I pleasantly surprised over my brief 6.2 experience. As others have stated, it's fun to drive on a daily basis. It's got the power down low where you want it. As I've built it out (adding weight), the driving experience has gotten better, smoothing out the ride, although it's probably a little slower. My use case was taking a travel trailer to Central Mexico for months at a time and clean diesel isn't always available there. I also worried about insane diesel repairs and maintenance, so I would have added an extended warranty to the cost of a diesel. Fun fact, Ford warranties work at Mexican Ford dealers, unlike Ram.
My understanding that the 10 speed is having a lot of problems a lot of shifting and I put in a Flowmaster and changing the intake on a 6.2 made a huge difference
I have some 6.2 in 250s a have been good. My work truck is a 2019 250 with a 6.2 I like it and have never been short of power. I just bought a 2022 with a 7.3 so far I like but I haven't tested it yet. It does cut out at 96 mph , I wish it was faster.
I had an 18 F250 6.2 Lariat and a 20 F350 SRW Lariat. In my opinion, the 7.3 with a 10 speed transmission is the best gas setup made.
Yes right I just hope they work the bugs out of the 10 speed trans there has been problems with it
I have 52,000 on my 2020 and zero transmission problems. I have 4.30 gears & tow 14,000 lbs. Love this truck.
@@angelusbrick917 what is the towing capacity on your truck
@@gardnetbush9768 f350 XLT Tremor 3740 lb payload.
@@gardnetbush9768 tow capacity 16,800
Hauling a 13500 lb trailer and get 8.3 mpg avg over 40,000 miles with a 2021 F250.
I would love to get the 7.3 right now. Problem is they are rare and they have already cut off ordering for 2022 and 2023 model orderi g wont start until probably December I am told.
Crazy. It’s a shame we’ve depended on others to make our parts for so long.
I test drove a 6.2, 6.7 diesel, and a 7.3 gas. Same equipment on all. I traded my 6.0 for a 7.3. Haven’t missed the 6.0. Or the fuel cost.
I'm waiting on my 2022 F250. With the 7.3 and 10 speed with a 4.30 gear. It's in the production process. Hopefully it'll be here before the end of the month.
I have a 2012 ecoboost. I get like 95% of my 420 ft lbs at 70 mph in 5th gear w/ 3.55 gears. Thats about 2300 rpms. The truck is very comfortable pulling my 4,500# boat in hills without crazy downsfting.
Thats the only reason i havent seriously considered upgrading to an F250. It's not a need at all. Its just a want. Lol
Plus i can change situations and eek 21.5 mpg out of it.
Loved my EcoBoost... and if I only towed a boat I would have never thought of going 3/4 ton... but pulling a 30+ft travel trailer is a whole other ball of yarn...
@@WanderingWeekends i had two 7.3L IDIs without turbos back in the early 2000s. They were only rated at about 185hp & maybe 400tq, but the engine was as solid as a rock. They leaked oil and fuel like old detroits, but they ran like scalded dogs.
It's crazy how much more power the 3.5L ecoboost has than even a 460ci V8. I owned one of those, too. I can say that with experience.
We are on the same page. Dumped the 6.2 and have ordered my new 7.3. My only concern: I ordered a super cab instead of the Crew Cab, because it is easier to navigate when I"m not towing. I hope it does not affect towing.
I've kinda wanted to swap the 5.4 in my '99 F-250 with a 7.3. I'm sure it would make a world of difference!
$10k just for the motor. By the time your done buying the motor, trans, and conversion components, expect to spend as much as new F250 with the 7.3. I have a 2003 F250 and considered the same. I’ll be ordering a F250 with 7.3 in April when Ford opens ordering again.
They say the 7.3 gets better fuel mileage and better torque. My 1500 power boost has 430hp and 570 lbft only problem truck is to light.
that is f350 / f250 w 6.2 gets the 6spd
I got a 89 lance truck cmpr 1800 dry weight also towing w/a 1976 fiberform tri haul 19ft boat I think I'm gonna go for 7.3 GDZLA thnks men 4 ds upload stay safe🤙
I have around 13K miles on my '22 model (3.55 gearing) now and hitting 16 mpg driving the 60 mile round trip to work and seen the computer count as high as 17.5 mpg on the open road. Towing my 7000lb travel trailer I've seen as low as 6.8 mpg and as high as 8.8 mpg. Hopefully one day I'll hit your 9.5 mpg!!
If I had it to do all over again, I THINK I would go with the long bed, the big fuel tank and 3.73 gearing.
Bryan, at what speed do you drive that 60 mile commute? I can get anywhere near that in my ‘21
@@justinsanders6063 Half of it is a 55 mph road and the other is a 75 mph road but usually hang around 65-70mph.
My truck starts production tomorrow. It’s an f350 with the 7.3 and also ordered it with 4:30 gears. My current truck is a max tow f150 with the 3.5. My tt is 8k. Cant wait to see the difference.
Just curious...what was your order date? I ordered mine on March 23 and have heard it could be anywhere from 2 1/2 months to 9 months. Thanks
@@lefthandedfenceguy4924 I put my order in on march 7th. It’s in production now. No eta on delivery yet. I think a lot of the timing on when you get the truck has to do with the dealer you order from.
Thanks. I ordered mine with Bill Fick in Huntsville. He's the #1 Super Duty dealer in the world.....supposedly. We'll see. Thanks again.
@@lefthandedfenceguy4924 I order my from Fritts ford in souther California. I was shocked when ford e mailed me the vin# and production date only 2 weeks after I put the order in. The dealer had no idea I even got a vin# till I told them.
@@lefthandedfenceguy4924 my truck should be here between June 2 and June 8.
I absolutely have no regrets upgrading to the 7.3. Payload alone was worth it
I have a (1999) Ford F550/7.3-liter Flatbed dually with a seven-speed standard shift, I'm an old guy but I still love the standard shift. I used to pull a 4-horse trailer with full living quarters. My wife and daughter used to compete in the Quarter horse world, so there was a lot of down the road. The truck doesn't get a lot of use right now and just sits, but I keep it because it still runs like a bear when I have to haul something heavy. I still get 10 MPG when I'm hauling a load and I still get 10 MPG empty. I bought the truck to do a big job hauling which it did no problem. Going down the interstate hauling the horses 70 MPH the truck felt like it was just cruising.
I have a 2020 F350 4x2 with the 7.3L and love the towing ability of this truck. I tow a Keystone Cougar 25RES fifth wheel that weighs 7900# and average 10.5mpg towing. Everyday driving I get 17mpg with a Five Star 87 daily tow tune. I opted for the 3.73 ratio rather than the 4.30 since I daily drive this truck to work. It's definitely one of the better engine that Ford has come out with. The only gripe I have is the 10 speed transmission. Just seems too busy, it really should have been an 8 speed.
Try ECO mode instead of normal for running empty with no load, the tranny will skip gears so it’s not always shifting thru them all. Should help some with the fuel mileage.
BUT, 6.2 worky worky, the 7.3 NO WORKY WORKY! 😂
Says who? My 7.3 worky worky like a champ!
They ain’t reliable my next door neighbor bought one 2023 less than 8000 miles it came apart new engine needed. To say he was upset was a understatement. That variable ratio oil pump is straight up bull.
Does no good if it’s broke.
Great explanation, the torque curve and the way you explained it very simple for some people was well done!!
Certified zip tie mechanic - LOVE IT!
Takes awhile but I finally graduated!!
The 6.2 is 430 TQ, not 405. I think I would go $20,000 cheaper and buy a well taken care of V-10 with 460 Torque rather powerful throughout low-end (the Tritons have all been very Torque friendly). My '03 5.4 2 valve peaks at 350-360 @ 2,500 RPM and is a low revving engine for great low-end and longevity. I've always wanted a V-10 into 1st Gen Expedition.
You’re right about the torque figures. It was 405 prior to getting new cams for the 2017 MY. Now it’s 430. I drove a 2000 F-350 for years, and I always felt like the 2V 5.4 didn’t have enough power for towing and hauling. Some of that might have just been a lazy transmission, however. My current truck is a half ton with a 3V 5.4, which has plenty of power for what I’m doing with it. Then again, I’m not working it as hard as the Super Duty.
Love the looks of the first generation Expedition. If you could fit a 6.8 in there, that’d be sweet.
@@Joel_E I would max at about 6,000 with my truck, but not too often. I pulled down 2 broken trees from a wind storm a couple of years back. The only thing to stop me was it dug into the ground; acting as a brake. I noticed in a struggle it lost power and you have to get the RPM up there. My '01 Expedition was called "Bear". My current truck is called, "Gorilla" and "Skull Alive". Right now it's down no starter, intake gasket leak which I call a 'runny nose'. I wanted to get it up to 280 hp range, but I was told I wouldn't feel it.
If you get the F350 with the 6.2 it comes with the 10 speed. No brainer to pay up for the F350 to get the 10 speed if you want to stay with the 6.2.
F350 with 6.2L is mated to the 10R140 10 speed transmission.
Can get the 10 speed with 6.2 on the F350.
6.2 gets the 10 speed with the f350
I still be driving my 6.0 vortec with 350k miles, it never dies
Same here
Good video
I agree. We rented a motor home with a 7.3 with a ten speed tranny. Absolutely loved that combination. We decided on buying a travel trailer. So when we went looking for a truck in the middle of Covid the only used trucks available was a 6.5 with the six speed. Good combination but not as good as the 7.3.
I have the 7.3 in my 2021 F350 4x4 Lariat crew cab short bed. Wish the mileage was better but I am glad to have the 7.3.
2019 6.2 torque is 430 not 405. Like the video
Most def answer my questions…just about to received a 2022 Godzilla XLT didn’t know much about it but preferred gas than diesel since I don’t tow much…Thx for the info my bro 🤙🏽
my pleasure!
the 10speed comes with the 7.3 for that 2045$
As of 2022.
The F250 6.2 Gas only come with a 6 speed transmission.
The F350 6.2 gas comes with the 10 speed transmission.
I’m leaning between the fF250 and Ram 2500 6.4 gas.
My limited experience:
The HEMI can't catch the slightest hint of overheating, it self destructs immediately (valve seats falling off head(s)).
Then you have the well documented cam and lifter issues.
Broken exhaust manifold studs and 16 plugs to replace and the obligatory random dead coil on both Ford and RAM.
Coils near the firewall tend to be a pain. More so on the OHC Ford engines.
@@GIGABACHI Wow thank bro. I’ll look into that. I really like the F250 but don’t really want to get the 350 just to get the 8-speed transmission.
@@ajfam871 you're welcomed. 👍
Thanks for making this video! I’m on the fence but I think I’ll go with the Godzilla.