Glad to see you back. I started following you when I got my Y three years ago this month. I currently have 160,000 miles with only 9% degradation with no issues to speak of. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the welcome back message! Cool that we bought our Ys in the same month. And impressive that you have so many miles on your Y. I was averaging 2,700mi/mo the first 18 months due to all my pandemic travel (looks like you're around 4,400?) but I've definitely dropped it down significantly since returning to California and getting back into the regular commuter swing of things. And super cool that you haven't had any issues. That seems to be the case with most owners I chat with. Thanks for watching and continue to enjoy your Y! 😃
As part of the push to EVs the government should also encourage more options for inexpensive battery repairs. Some exist and can repair the individual cells that are bad for as little as $700 with great success instead of replacing the whole pack. Under warranty like this it makes sense for Tesla to replace the whole pack and then refurbish your pack to reuse but out of warranty there should be options to refurbish your pack and put it back in.
Definitely. I will need to reach out to my local representative to start demanding "right to repair" legislation covering EV batteries so that consumers would have the right to have their batteries and modules/components repaired by cheaper third-party shops rather than being locked into expensive OEM refurbs or full-pack repairs. Aside from the inconvenience of a repair/refurb in-warranty, this isn't a big deal for new car buyers. But it's going to hammer the used EV market and especially middle-class and lower middle-class consumers buying used EV's no later than the late 2020s or throughout the 2030s. Right to repair legislation is the only thing that's going to allow working class consumers to buy into this technology, otherwise they will be stuck with ICEs forever.
Pack "refurbishing" has a high failure rate. You do not replace individual cells. They snip the link to take the shorted cell out of the circuit in the brick. As far as replacing individual battery bricks in the tray that is problematic in older packs. If you try to put used brick and certainly another new brick in the tray the battery management system "especially in teslas" with eventual find the imbalance and shut the pack down. This is why "refurbished" packs come with very little warranty. It is always best if the pack has a fair amount of mileage to replace the pack with all new. New teslas with the larger cell are not serviceable at all as the entire pack is filled with expansion foam. In the future EVs will be stacked tall in junkyards do to the car being impractical to repair due to the cost of a pack especially if the car has been in a accident. If anyone thinks the cost of a pack is going to drop like a rock in the near future or there is some sort of magic battery tech just around the corner then they are deluding themselves.
This is why right to repair is such a big deal. Tesla doesn't want you to be able to fix your own car. They should just make the battery packs modular. Where they're removable and cheaper to replace. I have electrical experience and have replaced the dead 18650 batteries in Milwaukee batteries. I think I'd be able to replace the batteries in the car if they made it accessible.
@@vintagepipesnightmaresPay for whose batteries and how? I got exactly $0.00 in subsidies for my EV in 2020. However, I've been forced to pay taxes for decades to fund TRILLIONS of dollars in destructive foreign oil wars and your foreign oil addiction. Write me a check for my welfare subsides to you and other gasser owners all these years, and we can call it even.
Hi Daniel.. So Great to see you back... I really enjoyed your around north America trip series... I have the same model Y in blue with white interior but 2022, so its awesome to watch you go through all the ups and downs of ownership, thanks. Great video on your dead battery incase I have a similar issue .. which I hope NOT.. LoL .. I think it would be fantastic if you can make a video every month just to keep everyone who's been watching from the beginning up to date on how things are going with your car since you drive so much.. thanks again for another super video Cheers Andy
Thanks for reaching out, and great to hear from you! Interestingly, once I had returned to California in early 2022, life and career took over and I didn't have much time for making videos. God knows they barely make any money anyways. Haha... but TH-cam did send me an email a couple weeks back saying that they would turn off monetization on my channel today if I didn't post something since it had been so long since my last one, so I figured I would whip this one up and get back into the game a little bit. Life and career are still pretty busy these days, so we'll see what happens but I do enjoy the channel and chatting with all of you.
Last week I was literally thinking about posting in one of your videos to see how you were doing and ask if you had any plans to post any new videos and this morning I found this one. So glad to see you are back. I hope to see more videos from you. Have a great week.
Hey! Thanks for reaching out and being so thoughtful! It turns out that after I returned to California last year, life & career took over and I just couldn't make the time for video production, no matter how much I enjoyed doing it during the pandemic. However, a couple weeks back I got a little email from TH-cam saying they'd demonetize my channel if I didn't publish something new by today, so I jumped on it. Wouldn't wanna forego $3/month in advertising revenue! Haha... I hope all is well with you, and hopefully it'll take me less time for my next video. :)
Thanks for your very kind words! My personal view is that all of us consumers should be honest about our experiences both with battery electric vehicles but also competing technologies like internal combustion engines, compressed natural gas, hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Battery electric vehicles are still a relatively new technology with a lot of answered questions or repair data for consumers to make well informed purchasing decisions. I feel that the more UNBIASED data consumers share online about each technology, the more informed consumers will be when they make purchasing decisions with their hard earned money. I will never buy a gas powered vehicle again, but I also am not a blind EV fanboy who tries to hide any uncomfortable aspects of EV ownership that some of us experience. Through this sort of open and honest feedback, viewers can see that my battery repair experience was pretty quick, convenient and cost me nothing under warranty; but also comes with some other inconvenient issues that car manufactures are going to have to answer to or improve as the technology ramps up. Thanks for watching and reaching out!
That's an interesting topic, and likely explains Tesla's ABC (Always Be Charging) mantra to minimize deep discharge and recharge cycles. I've seen some interesting content on that topic, and it'll be unfortunate (for both Tesla and consumers) if it's true, especially for EV owners who don't have the luxury of at-home/at-work AC charging AND who are dependent on DC charging AND who don't have the time or desire to DC charge frequently to minimize deep discharges/recharges. If engineers can't get around that, then many car owners will need to stick with ICEs and hybrid ICEs due to the inconvenience and cost of frequent DC charging when trying to avoid advanced degradation from deep discharges/recharges. And that'll be particularly expensive for Tesla and other EV/battery manufacturers to pay for all the in-warranty repairs in the meantime!
I'm not sure if Tesla owners are more likely to report things/experiences on TH-cam, but you are the 4th TH-camr (that I know of) that's had their battery pack replaced in a Model Y. I've been considering a Model Y for over 2 years. I guess you could find negative reviews of any vehicle over 2 years. But, I've never considered an ICE vehicle that I've found 4 reviews having engine replacement. Thank you for your honesty!
It's definitely an interesting topic. As a Gen 1 mass market EV under warranty, very technically none of this bothers me, but we consumers are definitely going to need some additional battery reliability data to learn if this is common or not. I would certainly expect greater longevity for a more mature, Gen 2 design. Thanks for reaching out!
All car makers have occasional issues and lemons. As long as they warrant the parts with a reasonable mileage or time, you should be good to go. In general, you will likely see more EV/Tesla owners sharing their experiences because EVs are so new. It isn't unusual for a car to need a new transmission or engine within the warranty period although the vast majority make it well beyond it. The same is likely true for batteries. For every report of a battery failing within the warranty peroid, there are examples of batteries lasting well beyond. As with any car, I recommend having an emergency fund set aside for big fixes when they happen after the warranty expires. I have a 2021 Tesla Model Y LR and I have driven it 25,000 miles so far without any _major_ issues.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcThat is certainly true. Interestingly, many ICE warranties are significantly shorter than what Tesla offers on the drive unit and battery. Sure, the repairs have been inconvenient, but my vehicle is definitely better off for them. And since they're in warranty I don't complain. But that 120,000 mile mark does give me something to think about… 🤔
over 2 years? Nuh...a gas car is classed as NEW car at 2 years...issues start after 4 or 5 years only... just bought a 2022 Camry - it' sliek BRAND new..will ho another 250,000 miles with very little serbvice needed.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xc Yeah true. Consumer Reports released their annual car reliability survey. The survey revealed EVs from the past 3 model years had 79% more problems than conventional cars. It was based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles. They summarized that most common problems EV owners report are issues with electric drive motors, charging systems, and EV batteries which makes sense because EVs are so new. Tesla was the best EV as they noted so best to get a Tesla at this point even though there are growing pains.
Great to see you back on TH-cam - excellent battery information too. Thank you! You should post a short with the cybertruck sighting. Most folks have never seen one. Your opinion about battery life is something I think ppl need to hear too. It’s something I never considered, but I have a friend who owned the Fiat 500e and when his battery died they quoted 15K for a new one - more than the price of a new car, so he got a new car instead.
Thanks for reaching out and welcoming me back! 😃 Definitely, the wildcard cost of battery repairs and replacements is going to put significant downward pressure on the resale value of used EVs out of warranty. I think it will be an opportunity for people to buy them on the cheap, but the loss in value for sellers is going to be quite impactful, at least until the market has enough data to understand repair/refurb/replacement costs, and can price that all in appropriately. I think that's gonna take us a good 7 to 15 years to really get that kind of data. In the meantime it's going to be an interesting challenge for everyone. And like you mentioned, many people will just choose to get a new or used car in response. Thanks for watching!
It's great to be back! TH-cam needed me to publish a video by today otherwise they were going to demonetize my channel (and I'd lose approximately $3/month in ad revenue! Haha) so I figured I'd get one up quick. Thanks for the kind words on the video! :)
I got a brand new model x about 3 weeks ago. At under 500 miles was plugged into a supercharger and battery died. Model x is still in the service center on our 6th day. Supposed to be done and replaced in 2 days, fingers crossed. Everyone I have talked to says I just had bad luck and this isn’t very common. Hoping no more issues since the model x was my dream vehicle. Good info and thanks for the video
Sorry to hear about the battery! It does suck that it happened at all, much less so soon. I've got a couple friends who bought a Subaru a couple months back and it broke down last month on a drive across the country. Sometimes we just get that bad luck of the draw, eh. Grrr. Hopefully Tesla takes care of you. Keep us all updated!
I'm on year 13 with a hybrid car (2010 Fusion Hybrid), with a battery pack that hasn't died and still gets solid MPG. Even if I need to replace the small pack, it's less than $1500. I think I'm going plug-in hybrid next time. 40ish miles on electric, then 40mpg afterwards works perfectly for me as it covers my commute. I do live in the Midwest and was worried about EV infrastructure and cold weather range at highway speeds when visiting family a couple hours away. Interestingly enough, we're having our warmest December on record with every day in the 50s and no hope for a white Christmas. If every winter was mild like this, I'd be much more likely to want to buy one. I still think EV manufactures need pro-rated fees for battery replacements as they're just replacing specific cells. There will be no mass adoption until they solve the "what do I do after the warranty expires?" question. My hybrid car runs just fine after 13 years, but an EV? That's just a $10k expense time-bomb.
HiCheepchipsable: thanks for watching! DC charging sessions can be as quick as 10-15 minutes depending on how much juice you need to complete your journey; whereas full charges can take 30-50 minutes -- not 8 hours. However, at-home/at-work AC charges do take 2-10 hours (depending on your equipment and how much energy you need) but that hardly ever matters because almost all of that charging is done when the car is parked doing nothing anyways, either because you're working, sleeping or just not driving. Because of that, wherever cars are parked for longer periods of time doing nothing for whatever reason, that's a great place to charge an EV on cheap AC electricity rather than more expensive faster DC chargers for filling up on expensive gasoline and diesel. The benefit of slower AC 240V chargers at home/work when you're not driving your car anyways is that a gallon-equivalent of electricity only costs 40 cents to $1.25 whereas gasoline and diesel range from $2.50-$5.50/gallon. In my case, my apartment AC 240V electricity costs $1.02/gallon whereas gasoline is $4.50 around the corner. Also, my powertrain maintenance has been $0.00 over the past 75,000mi, so there are a lot of benefits if AC charging works for you. But if none of that works for you, then you should definitely stick with a hybrid ICE. Car buyers should stick with whatever type of powertrain works best for them and their needs. Good luck!
Yeah but your car not only using the battery for everything so less stress tesla even use it for the fknig door handle.... even tho it's a physical lever jsut to push a button inside to electronically operate the door.
Thanks for watching! Tesla definitely could... BUT... I imagine that's some pretty sensitive and proprietary data that Tesla wouldn't want to share broadly with competitors. I have a feeling we'll only really learn about all this once large numbers of out-of-warranty batteries start hitting the 3rd party repair circuit in a couple years. (This isn't much different than in-warranty failure rates for ICEs, etc.) Once the market starts getting all this data, the used EV/battery markets are going to be in for some seriously interesting pricing adjustments based on those findings. Until then!
It's great to be back! TH-cam needed me to publish a video by midnight otherwise I was going to be demonetized ($3/mo, baby!) so I decided to whip up this little nugget. I think my next videos will be: "Living on 120V!" and "Living without at-home charging!"
Great to be back! I hadn't posted in a year and a half and TH-cam was going to demonetize the channel if I didn't get something up by today. Eeeek! Thanks for reaching out!
Thanks for reaching out with your experience. It's great for all of us to learn from each other's experiences. I took my Y out to Sedona in the monsoonal summer of 2021. So beautiful there!!
an impressive amount of pit stops, for sure. I hope Tesla contacts you for customer feedback, you must have some fine recommendations for vehicle usability and suggestions for factory modifications to consider.
Hi Daniel - Thanks for the video. What are your thoughts on buying a used Tesla with free supercharging? I love the idea of charging without cost and a supercharging station will be opening soon just 2 miles from my house. I've been intermittently looking for a 2016 that still has the battery and drive unit warranty for most of the remainder of 2024 but I'll admit I would be concerned about keeping the car after the warranty runs out. On the other hand I think I would enjoy the car up until that time, especially the free supercharging and it would also give me a taste of what it's like to own an EV. In your opinion, is it worth taking a chance on an older car like that or would it just be better to get a newer tesla and forget the free supercharging? As long as the battery and drive unit are still covered I think I would feel pretty secure driving one but if something else broke down that cost thousands of dollars to replace then I would be in a world of hurt and regret, lol.
Hey! Sorry for the delay in responding... I've been away from TH-cam for the last little bit. 😃 I suppose buying an EV out of warranty shouldn't be that much different than any other vehicle, with the one reasonable excepting that you'll need to consider the costs of a significant repair/refurb/replacement should the need arise after you buy. If I were to buy an EV out of warranty in 2024, I'd negotiate hard to reduce the price as much as absolutely possible, because you'd be wise to also set that discounted amount of money aside to pay for a repair/refurb/replacement battery if necessary. We're still at the point where 3rd party repair shops are rare, repairs are expensive and of unknown efficacy, and because of that, resale value of an out-of-warranty EV should currently be very low. The risk to buyers will primarily be the burden of sellers for the time being until the used EV market has more data on out of warranty Tesla battery longevity to properly price out-of-warranty batteries given a certain age and mileage. Also, since consumers don't have access to charging records, much less how that data may impact battery health, buyers are in a pretty good position to negotiate on prices. So... enjoy the remainder of the 2024 battery/motor warranty while it lasts; as for the rest of the car, it'll be like any other 8 year old performance sedan -- likely not cheap if anything breaks. Because of that, many Tesla owners on message boards are quite keen to promote buying new rather than used... but that might also be because Tesla owners in those groups are in a position to do so but not everyone else is. Good luck with your decision and keep us all updated on your experience!!
@@goingelectric7826 Hi Daniel - thanks so much for your thoughtful reply, you've given me lots to think about. Will definitely keep you posted once I finally do make a decision!
My sense is that these failures are not the batteries themselves, but the electronics in the controls and the many physical connections between the cells. I have owned LED light bulbs and fixtures that are supposed to last forever, and many of them failed prematurely because of a five cent circuit board component going bad. There is a burgeoning industry in repairing batteries, and Tesla is also refurbishing them in house, so the problem is not the actual cells, but something fixable in the circuitry. They are not going in and replacing every cell in the pack for these fixes. I would compare this to the premature engine failure in an ICE vehicle, which also happens rarely, but is very expensive to repair.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Based on what I've read as well, that definitely seems to be likely for a good portion of batteries that suddenly die. These are very sophisticated components after all with lots of electronics that can go wrong. And with battery manufacturing into the millions now, we're simply going to see more and more people experiencing this problem even if the overall defect rate is quite low. I can understand why a battery manufacturer would not be all that forthcoming with the specifics of a particular battery's malfunction, but with electric vehicles being as impactful as they are - and are going to be - consumers should be provided as much information as possible so that they can know what to expect. This is going to be particularly impactful on the out of warranty used EV market. Without lots of public data available, I have a feeling the used EV market is going to suffer unnecessarily. This may benefit buyers, but would be particularly detrimental to sellers, not to mention new car companies trying to sell new EVs into markets that have unnecessarily low resale value because buyers can't make any rational cost projections based on probabilities and costs for specific repairs. All stuff apparently for the market to determine starting in the late 2020s and ramping up well into the 2030s.
Thank you for the video, I'm in the UK, on my 6th Audi diesel, no degradation, still pulls like a train and 600 miles on a fill up, Not covered as many miles as my diesel BMW though, that's on 214,000 miles, I'm holding off on EV's for a few years, simply because I'm happy to watch how it goes
Hi, thanks for watching. My advice to everyone is: if EVs don't work for you, stick with a gasoline/petrol/diesel (hybrid) ICE. Choice and competition in the market are good for everyone! PS: I've got a couple friends who bought a new Subaru several months back and it broke down on a drive last month across the country -- sometimes these malfunctions unfortunately happen to EVs, ICEs, or any other type of manufactured good. The main thing is the service/support experience when they occur, and I'm pleased with the battery repair by Tesla.
Can the new 4680 packs even be refubished? If you watch the Munro Live engineers take one apart it almost seems unserviceable with all the hard foam between the cells. To recycle one it is basically has to be thrown in a grinder and have all the elements skimmed off chemically. My wife and I rented a MYLR and loved it. We are looking at one. So many changes througout its relatively short exisance so far!
Thanks for watching and reaching out! I've watched many battery repair videos as well and I think it's fair to say that only Tesla (or other battery repair/recycling) business know for sure what the real situation is. I'd be surprised if 4680s weren't refurb'able because that could get really expensive for Tesla to have to pay for in-warranty full-pack replacements if only some small portion of the pack were malfunctioning. Also, it would be quite an environmental scandal as well. But we'll never really know until 4680 packs are out of warranty in large numbers and non-Tesla battery repair/recycling companies start sharing their data (likely in the form of pricing for repairs) and then customers start sharing their own data publicly on how much those repairs cost and how long they last. Thanks again for watching!
Thank you for sharing this story. I would love to buy a Tesla Model Y BUT the service delivery seems so inconsistent from location to location. I have been a primarily BMW family of cars owner and have had extremely great service/reliability. I am always prepared to pay $2-$4K more for a car with a great service network and high reliability. I'm hoping the Model 3/Y this far into their lifecycle will meet my expectations. SF Bay area resident who appreciates a nice riding vehicle. Is your Model Y a 'keeper' for you?
Thanks for watching and reaching out! That's a very complex question. Haha. I have a 2020 September build that was assembled during the ramp up of the pandemic as well as the manufacturing/labor issues Tesla had with the local county while much of the economy was being shuttered/complicated. I believe that has something to do with some of the assembly/component issues I have had with my specific vehicle. The good news is that Tesla has made some very impressive manufacturing improvements over the past two years and I have not come across many people with new Ys who have had the type of problems I have had with my 2020 Y. Because of that, I would feel pretty confident in buying a new Y. That said, Tesla seems to be suffering the same service problems that any manufacturer of any suddenly popular piece of hardware experiences. Sales outstrip service and support capabilities, and the service suffers. I have had hit and miss experiences with the numerous service needs of my vehicle. I always find the service techs and front desk personnel to be extremely friendly and helpful. But when it comes time for rectifying some of the significant problems I've had with my car, service managers get involved and they eventually ruin the day - which I imagine is due to their need to cut costs. I have also had some significant mechanical problems with my specific Y. The good news is that Tesla repairs them if they're related to the battery under warranty or if there is a safety issue involved. That's great. But when the issues are primarily cosmetic (assembly issues or squeaky suspension/wheels), Tesla does not fix it and they provide the dreaded assessment that what you THINK you're experiencing is "within spec". That term is actually a punchline for many of us Tesla owners. But like I said, the vast majority of new owners I talk to don't have and haven't had the problems I've experienced with mine so you'd probably be in much better shape. But if you do have to tango with Tesla service, it's not going to be as nice as what you're used to with BMW. BMW is a sophisticated company with quite sophisticated customers. Tesla is a crazy company ramrodding its way into a new electrified future, which all of us customers love. At the same time, it doesn't have to deliver the same sophisticated level of service and support that other luxury brands do. At some point that will change for Tesla, but it's just not the case right now and it's pretty clear they're not that focused on changing it any time soon.
@@goingelectric7826 Thank you for all the clarity. So... Is your Model Y a 'keeper' or will you be upgrading to a CPO (they call it 'Provenance') Rolls Royce Spectre? 💰💰😉
Thanks for those very kind words! When I'm making my videos I like to think about day-to-day experiences we Tesla and EV owners have that there aren't too many videos made about. And since I'm not concerned with revenue, I enjoy the format of just chatting about things as I see and experience them. Thanks for watching!
You asked for more information on battery life, cost etc. But remember we are the guinea pigs for all that information. The battery that tesla is using is new, so there is no data yet. Our cars will make that data and decide which battery is best. We are on the cutting edge of attempting to chane the way we drive cars in the future. Now we are hearing about tires that only last 6000k because of the weight of the car and aggressive driving. Its all new, but honestly i am happy to be part of the brave people who step away from burning fossil fuel and seek another way.
Great to see you back! Since your last video we have gotten a Model Y and put well over 28,000KM on it in less than a year, and taken it everywhere. Definitely a great road trip car as you know, and your videos are always enjoyable to watch. Glad to see your still enjoying your Tesla and look forward to more content when you have time!
Thanks for reaching out with your very kind words! 🙏 Congrats on your MY purchase and putting so many miles on it. I find MYLR to be an excellent road tripping car, and now that I've travelled so much on Autopilot, I definitely wouldn't want a long distance vehicle without it, or something as good as it is. Autopilot is a godsend these days on my daily 50-100mi highway commutes, especially in traffic. Best of luck with your Y, and thanks for watching!
Hi, thanks for reaching out. I don't know for sure what the cost is, although there are various sources online that provide their estimates, largely based on out-of-warranty repairs. Currently, the price is quite high: on par with the cost of a performance vehicle internal combustion engine if one of those fails out of warranty. While batteries and ICEs aren't exactly comparable 1:1, electric motors are smaller than ICEs and typically much more reliable and lower maintenance; whereas a battery is a larger and more expensive component than an electric motor and typically more expensive to repair and replace, again, on par with a performance ICE. As for warranties, a similarly performing ICE to a Model Y would be something like a Porsche Macan which only has a 50,000mi warranty, whereas a Tesla Model Y has a 120,000mi drive unit & battery warranty. A Macan ICE runs $7,000-$15,000, so......... it's fair to say that this whole topic is nuanced and quite complex, to say the least. As more and more batteries exit their warranties, we'll start learning how frequent breakdowns are along with the complexity of repairs & cost. Just like ICEs, we should not expect it to be cheap.
Did they say what caused the battery to fail? From what I've heard most battery failures happen in the warranty period because of a manufacturing defect but they last a very long time otherwise. Hopefully that's accurate.
Thanks for reaching out! Tesla was essentially silent about what the issue was. One tech mentioned that it was a refurbished pack whereas the service manager was all very evasive with any questions that I asked. That said, I've done a fair amount of reading about this and in many cases you have some sort of defective module/component within the battery that can be extracted and repaired/replaced, and then you get a refurbished pack that in many ways is even better than new because it has had eyes on it. I would love it if that's the case for me. If that turns out to be true, then consumers would not need to worry about defective batteries coming off the assembly line, other than the inconvenience of dealing with a repair under warranty several tens of thousands of miles after purchase. But if longevity rates of refurbed packs end up being in the hundreds of thousands of miles, then that would placate both the new EV market as well as those in the used EV market who might be somewhat terrified otherwise that they would face an $8000-$13,000 battery replacement risk shortly after the vehicle's battery warranty expired. In that case, the cost of used EVs that had *not* experienced a battery failure/replacement under warranty might effectively become worthless because of high out-of-warranty risk. That could then instigate some owners of EVs coming up on the end of their warranty to try to do everything possible to destroy their batteries in order to get a free battery replacement to increase the resale value of their EV. This whole situation might get bonkers pretty quick!
@@goingelectric7826 they definitely have to increase the options for affordable battery repair then. It really shouldn't be that difficult with the right equipment to find the bad cell and rebalance. The government should encourage shops to open for this purpose or as part of their business and require companies like Tesla to make schematics available to assist in the repairs. Although one major limiter in the number of shops like this available is the fact that so few batteries go bad. So that's a good thing. It's like the reason that batteries aren't really recycled so critics say they aren't recyclable. There are so few bad ones that can't be reused for something else that there's no point in starting an industry to recycle them.
@@goingelectric7826I bought a model y used from tesla with 40k miles. It came with a new 120k mile batter and drive train warranty. Which I thought was amazing.
It’s uncommon for this to happen but scary and very real. I’ve been watching your channel since you got your car and missed your videos the past couple months. Now i see what you dealt with, it won’t deter me from buying one but it does scare me away from a used one with already 50k miles like i thought would be okay.
Thanks for reaching out and great to hear from you! Thanks also for watching my videos. It has been a fun journey over these past three years. Definitely, I don't think you have much to worry about with a Tesla purchase (and also likely not with any other manufacturer). The 120,000 mile battery & drive unit warranty is spectacular and keeps you well protected. Yes, this technology is new and the industry is evolving fast, but 120,000 miles is very impressive for any car warranty and certainly for batteries. Best of luck with your EV purchase and I know Tesla will treat you well if you have any issues with your battery.
That's certainly a thoroughly comprehensive vlog, thankyou. Bothers me that Tesla alone refurbishes the battery packs as prevents any would be competitors dead. Owing yours and others battery experiences and the rising insurance costs I've postponed my EV ownership for now. I'm especially wary of the Cybertruck and Tesla's claims versus the real world ownership experience.
Thanks for reaching out and providing your feedback. Definitely, we are in an interesting phase in the ramp up of battery electric vehicles and there are still many unknowns. Because of that, quite a few customers will choose to sit out the current transition until these issues can be sorted out and there is more data for the general public to base purchase decisions on. You may be one of those, and for someone like yourself, I would encourage you to consider a battery electric plug-in hybrid gasoline internal combustion engine vehicle like a Prius. Maintenance costs are higher for those sorts of vehicles, but at least they are more predictable. And as you know, range is still greater and refueling times are still shorter. As for Tesla-only repairing the battery: that's an interesting topic. As a consumer whose battery is still under the original 120,000 mile warranty, there is no real reason why I would want anyone other than Tesla to repair the battery because my repairs are covered under the battery warranty. Presumably if I took it to some third-party repair shop, it would not be covered. Also, I should mention that the 120,000 mile battery warranty is impressive. As well as the 120,000 mile electric motor powertrain warranty that Tesla offers. That is more than twice as good as the warranty offered by manufacturers of internal combustion engine vehicles with similar performance. Because of all of that, I really can't complain about my repair experience. But as more and more of these vehicles exit their 120,000 mile warranties, we will start acquiring vastly more data from third-party repair shops who are starting to develop the skill set to repair, refurbish and replace electric vehicle batteries. It will be interesting to find that all out.
I was just wondering a little while ago what happened to you. You were like the first TH-camr I watched when I was thinking of getting my Y. Got it in June 21. Now at 50k and so far ok. Anyway at first I was thinking you were talking about the 12 volt. Wonder how much time THAT one has left.
Thanks for reaching out! It turns out I had returned to California after my pandemic drive around the US, and work and life took over. But TH-cam was going to demonetize my channel if I didn't post something by today, so I decided to make this video. :) And by demonetize, I mean, terminate the couple bucks I earn each month. Hahaha... thanks for reach out!
@@goingelectric7826 So how's your efficiency been? I remember that video of you having a brake failure and after it was fixed, your efficiency went up quite a bit.
@@iamweaveAs of today I'm at at 71,870 miles and my average efficiency through all that is 290Wh/mi or 3.4mi/kWh. For context: I have 20 inch wheels and my understanding from chatting with a lot of other people is that for every inch in wheel size that you go up, you lose about 5% efficiency. Also, I'd say a good 90% of my miles are on highways/Interstates around 65-75mph. All around, I'm super impressed with the efficiency and it works out to something like 115 miles per gallon equivalent. During the pandemic and the first 48,000 miles, I was doing a whole lot of varied driving but over the past 24,000 miles, I've settled mostly into mild California weather highway driving up and down the San Francisco Bay Area with a small amount of city driving and a smaller amount of suburban driving. That brake repair was definitely beneficial, and this most recent battery pack replacement has given me even more range. Despite the inconveniences of all these repairs, I have to say the car is certainly better off for them.
In general, any type of rechargeable battery will deteriorate much faster if it is quick charged. My Samsung phone has quick charging capability but I always slow charge it because the battery is not user replaceable.
Hi, thanks for watching and submitting your comment. Yep, faster DC charging apparently seems to be more detrimental than slower AC charging based on various sources. Then again, some other ones say that the bigger issue is to not charge it up to 100%. Certainly, more battery data would be great for consumers. That said, it's fair to say that the battery management systems of $10,000 EV batteries are significantly more sophisticated than a throwaway burner smartphone battery. Lastly, your original comment is a good justification for building out as many 240V AC plugs anywhere cars are parked for longer periods of time so that EV owners can skip DC charging as much as possible. Looking forward to that AC future!!
@@goingelectric7826 Tesla batteries are 18650s. The same units used in laptops, powerbanks, torches, etc. Ideally, they last longer when used between 20-80% Increased costs do not side step physical laws governing battery longevity. Battery-powered cars definitely do not have a future, even if we insist on referring to them as Electric Vehicles.
@@BrownDaddy007Hi, high volume Teslas use the 2170-type cylindrical cell battery, not 18650. Moreover, Tesla is deploying 4680 cells for Cybertruck. Only the low volume Model S and X use 18650 cells. Definitely, we are in early days of the battery electric vehicle translation and it will take decades, but no, it’s not going away.
You are much too kind!!! TH-cam sent me a nasty-gram two months ago saying that if I didn't feed the beast with a new video they were going to cut off my monetization for the entire channel... and what would I do without that extra $7 a month?!? Haha... so I made another video and fed the beast like a good content creator. Hehe... If only I didn't have a day job that got in the way of being a TH-cam star! :) Thanks for watching!
Hi. After driving my vehicle like the sports car it is, my first set of tires needed to be replaced around 26,000 miles and my second set around 30,000 miles. I'm currently on my third set of tires at 21,000 miles and they are still in great shape. I'm pretty confident they will make it to 30,000 miles or beyond.
Lol I love your channel. I had to talk my husband into getting us a Tesla and we are currently working on selling our Infiniti two Tesla and getting a model while long range 2024 model thanks for helping me make that decision.
My 2021 Leaf had a battery fault, only about 12,000 miles, I don't think it's the mileage, just a lottery if you got a bad one. It was fixed for no cost of course. It didn't put me off as I now own an Ariya (and love it).
Thanks for reaching out! And yep: it does look like it's a lottery in terms of receiving a flawless battery or one that requires a repair/refurb earlier than other batteries. This is normal for literally anything that gets manufactured, eh. Cool that you have an Ariya! It looks like a great vehicle! I do like my Y but I'm always open to checking out the competition and seeing how that evolves as I enter the market for a new EV likely in the 2025-2026 timeframe. With everything switching over to NACS over the next couple years, I think the EV market is going to get super interesting. Thanks for watching!
What likely happened is a batch of cells went bad and the bms couldnt get the appropriate voltage so it turned off the charging system. It happens, ever bought any power tools and after 2 years of use it doesnt charge correctly. You take it apart and 1 cell is bad and it makes the whole battery feels like it is dead.
Thanks for providing your insights. It'll be interesting to learn the details of different types of battery malfunctions once we all become more familiar with battery technology, and once 3rd party repair shops start diving into this work and sharing their data more publicly than what we get from OEMs currently. It'll also be interesting to learn how effective (and economic) battery repairs/refurbs are, or if the dreaded/expensive full battery back replacement will be surprisingly more common than many of us would like to think about. Only time -- and good market data -- will tell. Thanks for watching!
Honestly, the best option for Tesla is to manufacture a lot of the base Model 3 and have the option to swap out the car if can’t be driven while under warranty. Battery issue etc. If the vehicle can’t be repaired in 8 hours, replace the car with a comparable on from inventory. Make this a feature of Tesla insurance. Like your iPhone is Apple can’t fix it, they swap it. Car accident not your fault? Swap, then Tesla repairs and add it to inventory for sale. No other car company can beat that model.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Definitely, it's a great customer experience when a car company can keep their customers on the road with loaner vehicles when things go wrong. It's always best when nothing bad happens, but when it does, it can make all the difference if car companies can step up and take care of their customers. In the case with my battery replacement, Tesla definitely came through.
One thing people forgets to remember that many parts are made in China that have issues with quality, consistency, and early failures, including EV batteries. A TH-camr says he drives a 2018 Model 3 for 3 yrs at 130,000 mile and its battery still retains 95% of its capacity. EV Batteries cost will be reduced by 40% to $99/KWh in 2025. So a 75KWh battery will cost about $7500, if needs to be replaced, similar or less than cost of a new ICE engine. Remember you save about $5K/yr for gasoline, a great saving there.
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out! Definitely, there are many great reasons to switch over to EVs even though a couple issues still need to have the wrinkles worked out. We are in early days. I'm excited for the further price reductions in each kWh of battery capacity, for longevity to increase, and for the continued build out of additional electrical generating capacity across our countries so we can eliminate oil imports and start powering our vehicles with energy produced locally. I'm happy with my EV and the 120,000mi battery warranty has been very beneficial. Upping it to 150,000-180,000mi would likely eliminate any consumer concerns, keep resale values higher and therefore depreciation rates lower. Best of luck on our electric future!
You save 5k a year on gas, are you comparing to a tank!? Umm the average annual fuel cost is $2200, so it would take about 4 years to come close to saving money, especially if you are supercharging
Great video. Very informative. I'm actually in the market for a new Tesla Y been in the process of doing lots of research. The word is that the juniper model will be out sometime in 2024. Hopefully, Tesla will have addressed these issues. They need to offer an extended warranty. I think it's only fair that the consumer should be offered an option to that.
Hi! Thanks for watching! Definitely, a 2024 Juniper update would be really nice and would likely include some significant updates to hardware. At the end of the day, I recognize that I bought a Gen 1 vehicle built with extremely new battery technology which continues to be improved year on year, and I do accept some of the inconveniences that come with that. As Generation 2+ models come out, more and more consumers will be less willing to accept "new and innovative" as an excuse. That said, today Tesla offers a 120,000 mile drivetrain and battery warranty which is at least twice as good as powertrain warranties offered by makers of similarly priced and powered crossover SUVs at similar price points. In my case, the repair experience was fast, convenient and free, so I can't really complain. But yes: a 150,000-180,000 battery warranty would go far to comforting both new EV buyers as well as those in the used EV market. Best of luck on your new Y once Juniper comes out!
A Tesla Model Y comes with an 8yr/120,000mi battery warranty which covers any/all battery service needs for any/all batteries that you may have in your vehicle during that time. If it’s just one, then that’s it. If it’s multiple replacements, then each of them are covered until the vehicle itself has crossed the 8yr/120,000mi warranty. After that time, you are on your own. But the warranty does not reset with a new battery. In the end, this is not such a bad thing. A similar performance crossover SUV like a Porsche Macan only has a 50,000 mile internal combustion engine warranty and those engines are quite expensive to repair, rebuild or replace out of warranty, so a 120,000 mile battery warranty is actually quite decent. Sure, engines and batteries are not exactly equivalent, but conceptually 120,000 miles is very acceptable.
I'm not a battery engineer, but I imagine it can be somewhat complex. You have the issue of battery/cell degradation due to intense usage, but you also have various issues related to the complex electronics within the battery itself, or just defective materials. In my case, I would be surprised if it were purely related to DC charging because my battery degradation rate up until failure had only been -0.35 kWh or -0.5% per 10,000 miles of travel on average. It was surprisingly low and steady, and I was quite happy about that. Then it went off a cliff one weekend and the battery stopped functioning 6 days later. To me that seems like something a bit more fundamental related to manufacturing defect and/or significant material/component malfunction, which would be quite a bit different than some form of predictable degradation due to DC charging. But no doubt: DC charging is a significant workout on a battery and as best I understand, DC charging is quite a bit more intense than less powerful AC charging, so maybe it's a combination of factors all coming together in one unfortunate battery. But as mentioned in the video, Tesla was good about the in-warranty repair so I can't complain. I'll just be curious to see how long this refurbed pack lasts! 🤞
I got 2021 Model Y P and got the same battery warning. Tesla service center replaced my HV battery and 12V @ 38000 Miles expect I got a 2018 Model X 100 as a loaner. Was told my battery was on order when I arrived at the service center and car was ready in 72 hours. My battery at 100% charge was 256 miles. New battery shows 0-100 charge 74KWH.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing. It will be very helpful for all of us to learn about different experiences. A loaner X is pretty sweet! And cool that it only took 72 hours. 74kWh seem very respectable for a 2020-2021 Y. I keep wondering about my own 12V battery. As best I know, it hasn't been replaced during my (many) service center visits. Knock on wood that it's been good all these miles and years, and continues to be! 🤣 Have a great evening!
Thanks for reaching out! I certainly wouldn't mind a 400,000 mile warranty! But to be fair, the engine warranty on a similarly performing ICE like a Porsche Macan is only 50,000mi, whereas the Tesla drive unit & battery warranties are a 120,000mi, which are certainly better, so... Tesla is being generous all things considered. But yes, 400,000mi would be great. Or at least have an option for a $2,000 extended battery warranty or something similar? 🤷🏻♂️ Best of luck to us with longer warranties or longer performing batteries!
Thanks for the welcome back message. It's great to be back! Life and career have been keeping me pretty busy over the past year, but I thought it'd be fun to make another video... ESPECIALLY since TH-cam was going to demonetize my channel if I didn't publish something by today. And I'll tell you what: I'm not about to let go of $3/mo in advertising revenue!! Haha
@@goingelectric7826 100% get that with TH-cam monetization 😂. I have a March 2021 Y with the Panasonic 82kwh pack (~74-75kwh net usable under warm conditions) and I can relate to most of your videos and overall experiences of ownership.
Great that Tesla did swap your battery but what happens after the warranty is over ? You will pay up to 12k-15k for a new refurbished battery every 64,000 miles or you will simply not bother and get the new model ? Where is the sustainability in all of that as most of the EV owners brag that they do it not to fund the oil companies and to reduce pollution levels. A huge topic that is not discussed enough is the out of warranty period and second hand market of EVs. Who is brave enough to buy a used EV after the warranty period? It's far more eco friendly and cheap to run a simple Toyota for 10-15 years which will just run and run then swapping EVs like an iPhone. I can bet that 90% of the people who can not afford a brand new car will choose a 10 year old Corolla instead of a 10 year old Model S. Don't get me wrong , EVs are great to drive but until the reliability and longevity is not drastically improved from my modest experience I will chose my old petrol car.
Hi! Thanks for watching and posting your views. Yes, far more market data for battery longevity, OEM & 3rd party battery repair/refurb/replacement costs will need to hit the market before EVs can go mainstream and mass market consumers and businesses can feel comfortable switching over to EVs and better costing out risks. That said, a Tesla Model Y drivetrain & battery warranty is 120,000 miles which more than twice as good as the typical ICE powertrain warranty by other ICE manufacturers of similarly powered crossovers at similar or even higher price points. No doubt though: offering (optional) 150,000-180,000 mile battery warranties would go far to supporting both new EV buyers as well as consumers in the used EV market. The good news though is that all the sources I've read have shown new Y battery pack replacements run $8,000-$13,000 for an all new battery pack (not $16K); in practice, most batteries don't require all new batteries but rather refurbished/repaired batteries with upgraded cells, modules or blocks. Those repairs are MUCH cheaper than buying an all new pack. Moreover, battery costs continue to decline significantly year on year (more or less) and certainly decade on decade, and there's no reason to believe that repairs/refurbs/replacements in the future also won't benefit from those declining costs as domestic manufacturing, component supply chains and domestic repair shops scale up. That same happened with ICEs throughout the 20th Century. Finally, it's fair to say that a Toyota Corolla or Prius isn't a reasonable comparison for Tesla Model Y. A Y is a high performance/high power vehicle. Better comparisons would be sports CUVs/SUVs from Porsche, Audi, Lexus, Cadillac and others. That all said: my current opinion is that a buyer who can't have access to cheap at-home/at-work 240V AC charging and instead would rely heavily on more expensive DC charging, those consumers should stick with hybrid ICEs and/or efficient small/cheap pure ICE vehicles until battery technology and costs improve. Best of luck!
After just 46,000 miles and 4 1/2 years of ownership, last week Tesla service advised me against driving my car as the HV battery was about to fail. It is now at the service centre awaiting a replacement HV battery. Tesla provided a Loaner car (awful experience due to arguments/charges over existing damage). But my main concern is the potential poor standard of the replacement (refurbished) battery and the lack of extended warranty (as Daniel said, it will still be based on my car's age and total mileage). Tesla are saying the potential cost of a future out of warranty replacement, if it fails again is *GBP £20,000 (USD $25,000)!* and going up... More than the value of the car which, by the way, is dropping like a stone! I am a huge EV fan and I believe your arguments against all the FUD surrounding them, and agree that this is a very real problem for a lot of EV owners who can't afford to switch to a new lease every few years, or want to buy second hand. I am now questioning the value of EVs. The batteries seem fairly unreliable more often than first thought, masked by a warranty process with is potentially a ticking time bomb as they are soooo expensive to replace. When the HV battery fails under warranty and the warranty does NOT cover a new replacement battery the chance of receiving an unreliable replacement battery could be high because they are refurbished from a previously failed battery. There seems to be an increasing number of owners with such experiences, left with worthless cars at end of warranty (mostly model S to date). Currently, I am concerned my car will become a worthless risk as soon as the warranty period is up. Why would anyone want to risk buying a second hand out of warranty EV with a risk of a battery failure leading to an instant write-off (totalled)? I have been very careful with my charging habits since owning my car from new and diligently followed the 80/20 rule charging mostly at home. I used to advocate EVs as better than ICE cars in every way, but more needs to be done surrounding HV battery repair for second hand/out of warranty owners. Currently it is almost impossible to find someone to repair them. I agree that ideally the warranty should cover a NEW replacement if the HV battery fails, rather than a refurb of a previously failed battery, for which the owner has no idea of previous use/mileage/charging practices. But I agree that this is uneconomic for the manufacturers. We (consumers) should encourage access to EV battery repair, rather than write offs, or affordable extended warranty/battery insurance options (if this is really as uncommon as they claim). It should be cost effective to insure against, currently it is not. If you are still reading this and share my concerns, particularly if you are an EV supporter (like me) please give my comment a like/thumbs-up so more people can see that this could be a real issue to be addressed. Thanks!
No doubt Tesla, like any major company, is being sued left and right for one thing or another. As for the difference between real world range/efficiency and what Tesla advertises, I actually view that more of a problem with the federal government/EPA and bad law/regulations. Businesses, as you know, rarely go above and beyond legal requirements and the EPA allows Tesla to advertise the numbers that it does. It would be better if the ratings system were tightened up, and manufacturers had to provide a widget embedded on their websites where consumers could change different variables and see the impact on efficiency/range rather than companies marketing a single number out of context. The same should be done for internal combustion engine vehicles as well.
I'm with you with you when it comes to a clean car lol my model y 2023 windshield wipers stopped working on the highway talk about holy crap did it four times got a loner car it was dirty i clean the hell of it lol
Haha... clean cars are where it's at! I actually enjoy washing cars (heck, I quickly hand washed mine today after being caked in dust-mud spots last night from some heavy fog in San Francisco), but we customers really shouldn't receive a filthy car as a loaner. At some point, Tesla will need to step up into price-point-appropriate levels of service if they are to maintain their price points as EV competition increases. Good luck to us all!
I normally use the postal service or travel nurses vehicles as indicators of cars that will hold up. They aren't driving EVs that much. I see them driving more hybrids.
Hi, thanks for watching and sharing your opinion. Definitely, different people should buy whatever car, technology and fuel that works best for them. EVs are still quite new and still just 7% of all cars sold in the country, so they're going to be a small minority of cars on the market over all. Also, for people who need ultra long range vehicles (perhaps like a travel nurse?) a hybrid would still be an excellent choice. As for postal services, I'm not familiar of any postal type EVs on the market currently other than perhaps the single Rivian EV used by Amazon. The market for larger platform EVs is still quite small as EV sales are largely still sedans and small cross-overs. (That will start changing over the next 3+ years.) That said, if a daily postal route ranges between 150-250 miles, EVs coming on the market in 2024-2026 will be an excellent choice especially for departments that can charge vehicles overnight on super cheap AC electricity. What we'll see for the next 2 decades is a lot of different types of vehicles for a lot of different customers and their different needs. We're entering into a super cool era in the history of automobiles where customers will have LOTs of choice. Best of luck finding the best vehicle for you!
Hey there, this is Helen from Vicseed. I do really love your great content! May I know if you're interested in a model Y king of sun protection sunshade roof? I believe it will be your great assistant in this hot summer!
Thanks for responding. It'll be good for all of us owners to start collecting and sharing our experiences so we can know what's what. My warranty repair was super convenient, so that's great. But… I think it's fair to say we have higher expectations than 70,000 km, eh!
I currently owe 2016 cadillac escalade esv and spending 850$+ a month on gas. Really expensive. Thinking about getting model y performance but batteries scaring me cause i drive a lot of miles a year
Hey, thanks for reaching out. This is a very interesting topic. As mentioned in the video, my battery degradation was extremely low so I actually wouldn’t be worried about that. Most people I’m seeing on any of the forums I’m on never really get below -10% capacity after a good number of years and miles, so I think you’ll be fine in that regard. But sudden battery death? It’s just a wildcard that isn’t getting much coverage… and that might be for a couple reasons: 1) they’re not that common, and certainly not newsworthy given the sheer number of EVs & batteries being produced these days, 2) sudden battery deaths that occur within the 120,000mi warranty are proprietary data and car/battery manufacturers will NEVER reveal the failure rate because 2.1) “they” don’t want people to know, and 2.2) it kinda doesn’t matter since the batteries are repaired/refurbed/replaced under warranty so “the market shouldn’t care” (other than the inconvenience). BUT… I’m on a million Tesla forums and sudden battery death is quite rare, especially within the 120,000mi warranty. And in all reality, ICEs also experience failures within warranty so conceptually a bum battery is no different than the likelihood of a bum ICE… it sucks when it happens, but if it’s within warranty then it’s ultimately not a mega problem… so… manufacturers will NEVER share that data. Instead, consumers will only start getting this sort of data for out-of-warranty batteries once more and more of those hit the market in a couple years. Because of all that… I’d say: sudden battery death *can* happen, as it happened to me (and others), but the rate appears to be on the smaller side and shouldn’t be any more a concern than being worried about a bum ICE. And because of that final point, I’d say: if you’re interested in a Y should go ahead and buy one. In your case, I’d suggest that the bigger thing you should be aware of is that Tesla’s EPA efficiency/range numbers are quite a bit overrated for most drivers. I’ve don’t lots of long distance high speed highway driving and my average efficiency rate is 3.4mi/kWh. With a new 78kWh battery, that would work out to a real world range of 265mi on a 100% charge… and since most people use only 70% of their batteries on a daily/regular basis (changing up to 80% and driving down to 10% then recharging - especially if you’re out on the open highway)… so in real world conditions you’re looking at charging every 180 miles, and charging 70% of the 78kWh battery at a real world average charge rate of 110kW, that will take you 78kWh*0.70 = 55kWh/110kW = 0.5h or 30min per charge. If you’re OK with that when you’re doing long distance driving then a Y would be totally fine with you. And if you’re driving fewer than 180mi per day (but driving that frequently), then if you can charge at home on AC you’d charge up at night while you sleep and - like many EV owners - you’d almost never have to even use a publish DC charger and so the whole charging-time discussion because irrelevant. Let me know if that makes sense, or if you have any questions!
One other thing: in terms of cost of fueling up with a Y and comparing that to your Cadillac, a good measure is cost per mile. Looking up online I see that a 2016 Cadillac Escalade ESV gets an average of 17mpg. If you’re somewhere that gasoline costs around $4.50/gallon, that’d work out to $0.26/mi for gas. Then when it comes to an EV, you’d calculate the same (although electricity varies more widely than gasoline). Assuming an average real world efficiency of 3.4mi/kWh, which is what I get, cost per mile charging rates would be as follow: $0.16/kWh = $0.05/mi (this is what I pay for AC electricity at my apartment complex) $0.25/kWh = $0.07/mi (a common AC residential rate in CA) $0.35/kWh = $0.10/mi (a common Supercharger DC rate) $0.55/kWh = $0.16/mi (a common peak-daytime/evening Supercharger DC rate in more expensive states) What you see here is that compared to a Cadillac SUV, it is ALWAYS cheaper to charge up a Y compared to filling up a Cadillac SUV. And when it comes to charging at home, it’s CRAZY CHEAPER to charge up a Y. The only time it’s about the same cost to fill up a Y or an ICE is if you’re comparing a Y to something like a Toyota Prius Hybrid in which case DC & gasoline cost about the same (but it’s still much cheaper to charge at home on AC). Let me know if you have any questions about this as well.
@goingelectric7826 thank you for explaining a lot of information.i drive between 24k-35k miles a year and what scares me that after 120k warranty. Battery number 1 is expensive and number 2 is you can pay 9k$ - 20k$ for Battery and there warranty only for 1 year. Kim Java posted video with uber driver replaced battery at 125k miles and there only 1 year warranty
The refirb battery does not function as a new one. You can tell, because your warranty does not get reset. If it is so rare you should be treated really well when it comes to warranty.
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. Regarding warranty coverage, we do need to put this in context: ICE warranties also expire after which time the manufacturer does't cover repairs even on replacement/refurb parts. Tesla is no different in this regard. Also, out-of-warranty repaired/refurbed/replaced engines may come with a limited warranty by the seller, but they are usually minimal. Very technically, there is no reason the EV car market will be (or should be) any different. Over all I was extremely satisfied with my battery replacement warranty experience. It was relatively quick, convenient and best of all: it was free. If I had owned an ICE and needed an expensive repair at 64,000 miles, it's likely it would have been out of warranty by then and would have been quite expensive. This is something that owners of performance CUVs/SUVs know well after 50,000-60,000 miles.
We have paid out a large amount in repairs to our gas vehicle. I would think it's close to the price of a battery, but I'd have to do the math. Stats would be interesting.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. I have a feeling that'll more or less be the same with EVs. Different technologies, different issues, but still not particularly cheap to own or operate long term, just like an ICE. From a consumer's point of view that isn't so great, but I think from a big picture national security and energy/economic security point of view, the improvements from getting the United States (at least) off imported oil and then reducing our domestic oil consumption will be extremely beneficial. Now let's just demand that we consumers also get a share of some of those cost benefits along the way! :)
We are finding ev cars are needing a lot more maintenance repairs that originally thought,from suspension parts, tires ,heat pump issues ,battery issues,to name a few,
@@gregstewart8654 I would love to see your data on comparisons between internal combustion engine and battery electric vehicles to learn more about that.
Hello. Thanks for reaching out! It's true, I could use third-party apps for things like that, but I frankly don't understand or trust their user data privacy policies and therefore I refuse to give such apps access to my car's data. God only knows what they're pulling from my car, where it's stored in the world and it's used. No thanks. 😃
I just caught a video where the guy was on his third battery pack where the second one was refurbished. How do you know Tesla isn’t putting these refurbished packs in new cars from day one?
As you know, asking people to disprove a negative argument is irrational. However, if you have evidence that Tesla is assembling new vehicles with refurbed packs, please use the comments section here to present your evidence. I'd be very interested to look at it.
“This vehicle was built with a battery pack manufactured as early as 2017. While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built, the cells have reduced capacity due to their age and you can expect up to 12% reduction in range from current production specifications.”
“This vehicle was built with a battery pack manufactured as early as 2017. While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built, the cells have reduced capacity due to their age and you can expect up to 12% reduction in range from current production specifications.”
@@goingelectric7826 I really enjoyed your adventures. After many 500 mile trips, we just headed out today on our first long trip. Central Florida to North Dakota. First day of FSD, too. It’s good to see that you’re doing well. Hopefully you can add an occasional adventure. Cheers!
Thanks for watching and reaching out! Each car customer should drive whatever powertrain works best for them and their needs: battery electric, ICE, hybrid ICE, CNG, hydrogen fuel cell, or anything else that hits the market. Best of luck driving the car that works best for you!
It all sounds like a pain in the neck. What will happen once the warranty period expires. Sounds like a costly inconvenience. Between higher insurance cost, tires, charging on the go. My question is how much are you really saving. I have a feeling its going to be more than a fuel car on the back end.. Keep those ev's. I will stick with an economical gas car. It's a lot less hassle.
Thanks for watching, and for submitting your opinions. Definitely there are some uncertainties that the market is going to have to figure out before the issues you brought up can be answered conclusively. As mentioned in the video, we just don't know what battery longevity looks like or out-of-warranty costs because the drivetrain & battery warranty is 120,000 miles (more than twice the typical ICE powertrain) and manufacturers don't seem to be publishing repair/refurb/replacement data for in-warranty costs in-house. However, a couple things work in the favor of declining costs longer term: 1) significant declines in kWh battery costs decade on decade, 2) scaling up manufacturing which is reducing battery costs which also reduces repair/refurb/replacement costs, and 3) 3rd party battery repair shops becoming more numerous and skilled at repairing/refurbing/repairing EV batteries which will result in lower repair costs. Lastly, as recycling & re-purposing supply chains continue to be ramped up, it's likely that batteries deemed unfit for automotive usage will still have thousands of dollars of residual value either for repurposing or materials sourcing. But no doubt, there are certainly some risks. In my case, even if I needed a full $8,000-$13,000 battery replacement the day my battery warranty expired at 120,000 miles, fuel and maintenance savings over the previous 119,000 miles would more or less be a wash. Neither higher nor lower than an ICE. But even if that were the case, the benefit to the country would be: massive increases in transportation fuel economy, ending foreign oil imports into the US, ramping up local American energy production for EVs, jobs for electrical infrastructure build-out, and re-industrialization of the American economy as we ramp up and establish battery mineral mining & refining, high value battery component supply chains, and domestic assembly here at home. In the meantime, if you feel uncomfortable taking a risk with an EV purchase, I'd encourage you to stick with hybrid ICEs until the data provide you the security and predictability you need. Good luck!
Thanks for watching and reaching out. I certainly wonder about that myself. 292nd Supercharge and then death! 🤷🏻♂️ It'll be interesting to see how robust these batteries end up being with DC charging. If EVs are actually going to ever take over, batteries are going to have to handle repeated DC charging for those of us without at-home charging options. I'll bet that at least 2/3rds of the U.S. consumers won't have at-home AC options by 2040 which means a whole lot of consumers are going to need robust batteries that can handle exclusive DC charging, ESPECIALLY large SUVs & heavy duty trucks with 200-400kWh batteries that will never be chargeable on home electricity because the power needs will simply outstrip anything 240V home AC can handle. Fingers crossed that battery DC charging longevity advances rapidly, otherwise will end up with maybe just 40% of all our vehicles being EVs in the U.S. and the rest sticking with some form of an ICE (hybrid, plug-in, etc.). Best of luck to us all!
It'll definitely be interesting to see how that shakes out. If it turns out the battery's lifespan matches or exceeds the vehicle itself, then it's kind of a moot point, but if not, then owners are gonna be in a world of hurt for out-of-warranty repairs. And if failure rates are high in-warranty, then that's going to hit Tesla especially hard. Fingers crossed for long lifespans for 4680!
Thanks for the video. I am contemplating getting a model Y...but So many limitations with these EV / You got to charge it to 80 / 85% , you should not drain the battery too much (until 20 / 15%) then you end up having only 200 miles +/-.... Electric cars are optimum for certain population. Hopefully the more we advance, the more the technology becomes cheaper and mainstream, and obvious to use. On another hand, I feel that NIO model with the battery swapping ...makes more sense, but not sure if it is financially viable for NIO.
Thanks for watching the video! 🙏 Because energy densities and battery capacities are still on the lower side compared to a tank filled with gasoline, EVs are not the right choice for every single consumer today. Some would better be served by a hybrid ICE. But at the same time, more and more consumers are finding that EV technology do fit their needs. So it will be different for different consumers until the technology advances over the next decade or two to essentially displace internal combustion engine vehicles completely. Personally, I would love to have a 100-115 kWh battery in a future Model Y which would give us a real world range of 340-391mi on a 100% charge and 272-312mi on an 80% discharge cycle which os the max that I ever want to drive long distance without taking a longer meal/bathroom break (which you just charge during). The current range I get works well enough for me for a Gen 1 EV, but I do look forward to 50% to 100% higher energy capacities by the next decade. As for battery swaps: I don't think they will ever be economically practical except maybe for a couple super niche applications. Already some people claim we don't have enough materials to build all the EV batteries were going to need (false), but if we were reliant on battery swaps then we would have to produce even more batteries for the same number of vehicles. Swapping would also require standardization of battery design which is simply never going to happen and would hamper battery design innovation between battery and car manufacturers. Lastly, you know how it is: the more moving parts, the more where Ontario you get, and the more likely things are to break. Given the cost of batteries, I frankly don't want to do anything that will advance wear and tear. And I certainly don't wanna have to lease my battery from a company instead of own it. There might be a couple applications in business where that would make sense but I don't think it's ever going to be a thing for the individual consumer market. Thanks again for watching and reaching out!
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Also thanks for sharing your experience. It will be interesting to see what the overall failure rate is on Tesla batteries and what the primary causes are. Just like internal combustion engine vehicles, when you manufacture at scale you are going to have a certain number of defects per million produced, and EV batteries will be no different. However, without any real repair/refurb/replacement markets existing for batteries yet, we consumers are definitely in the dark with what awaits us with out-of-warranty battery issues. How was your repair/replacement experience?
The same with performance ice car If engine goes out. Then you in for 30-60k repair 😅😂 + all the expensive maintenance that comes with it. Look up M5/AMG/Porsche repair bills,😅
EV cars have not been around that long, so it is not surprising things are coming out about some batteries failing. Of course ICE driving skeptics will be quick to declare EV cars are failures, gleefully ignoring the long history of ICE disaster like the Pinto, the Chevy Cruze steering wheels falling off etc. Kim Java channel had a uber driver whose pack kept going bad. Is lfp the answer? Sodium ion? I don't know. Since I work on my own cars, I am still driving gas. If I didn't fix my own stuff, the labor would have me walking. Folks talk about Tesla fit and finish but I could fill a book on crap quality ICE manufacturers put out. We are still in early days and you are on the bleeding edge on the tech. Recall the first ICE cars didn't even have starters, they had to be cranked by hand which sometimes resulted in broken arms. Thanks for sharing.
You are correct. That's why I take a lot of this in stride. We are still in Generation 1 of mass market EVs and so there's going to be some growing pains along the way while kinks are worked through the technology. I'm fully on board ESPECIALLY if manufactures deliver excellent service as part of this Gen 1 experience. As for batteries, I predict EV battery warranties will need to be boosted from 120,000mi up to 180,000mi for the mass market to feel comfortable buying in. 120,000mi is just a couple of years away for me and an $8,000-$13,000 full battery replacement is definitely a concern if robust and effective battery cell/module repairs/refurbs aren't up and running by 2026+. We shall see! And thanks for watching!
Thanks for reaching out. That is certainly good news in your case. My sense is that most batteries are experiencing pretty good longevity. As mentioned, my battery degradation was phenomenal up until the week that it died. My secret hope is that the this refurbed battery pack croaks again at 119,000 miles so I can get another refurbished pack and hopefully make it another 60,000 miles beyond that, rather than having it croak just after 120,000 miles and the warranty expiring. Fingers crossed! (That all said, my repair experience under warranty was great so no complaints there.)
It's called a "claw back." You could potentially save money with an EV by charging at home with special electricity plans. As a result of those marginal gas savings, you are going to have to pay way more for the car, the tires are going to cost 4 times as much over the ownership, insurance will cost more because EV's are more expensive to fix, especially when the battery pack is damaged in a wreck, and then Tesla is going to have to charge you $10-20K every 10 years for a battery out of warranty, and you'll probably get hit with $6K drive unit failure every now and then, and everything else that breaks on a Tesla. Oh, and depreciation will crush your spine like a dried up leaf. But hey, you saved some money on gas.
That's excellent! From the math, it looks like you average around 10,000mi a year and don't DC fast charge regularly? In my case, I average about 23,000mi/year and have DC fast charged over 320 times in the 125-250kW range. I've driven my car & DC fast charged in blazing hot temperatures and sub-0 frigid temps, and every other scenario in between all across the US & Canada. Leaf is a great car, and I imagine if I rarely or never put my Y through such robust demands -- and being low mileage, charging primarily on slow AC and had been kinder to the battery -- it's highly possible my battery would have lasted longer. I suppose we'll find out more data on all this once Y batteries start coming out of warranty by the millions. Thanks for watching!
My 2019 model 3 standard range HV battery just went out at 70k miles. Just dropped it off at the service center for warranty replacement. Let's see how it goes
Thanks for watching and best of luck! I was generally quite happy with my service experience. Hopefully yours goes as quickly as mine did. Keep us updated!
Thanks for watching and reaching out. We should be aware of confirmation bias and the fact that people who are not experiencing battery problems are 100% certain not to make videos about battery failures. So... ...we would really need to run an analysis comparing the number of EV owners who actually produce YiuTube videos about EVs, and then determine what percentage of those people eventually make videos about a battery failure. That is, if we are going to use TH-cam videos as our point of reference. In practice, I think Tesla would do consumers a favor if it started publishing some of the data on this so that consumers could get ahead of it and the free market could do some better pricing as we ramp up this whole industry. Of course, that's not actually ever going to happen, so we will only ever really know the true failure rate of batteries only after they reach 120,000 miles, are out of warranty, and third-party repair shops start dealing with them en masse. We should probably touch base again then!
@@goingelectric7826 Yes it is odd Tesla doesn't publish this. As a 2013 former model s owner, who's battery was replaced, I was thinking the new cars were pretty bullet proof. But, like you, I'm concerned about out of warranty failures. The narrative regarding the battery life from Elon, doesn't seem to match what tmc posters and TH-camrs with high mileage are saying. Keep in mind I'm saying this as a huge Tesla fan and current model y owner.
@@hpartschI think it’s fair to say that consumers shouldn’t rely 100% on the claims made by CEOs when making their purchasing decisions. Instead, we consumers should share our own experiences, do a little research, weight the available data and then make well informed decisions on how to spend our hard earned cash. That would apple for EVs, ICEs, computers, heavy equipment and everything else.
Just sell the car at 100k miles, and get a new one. And do that for every EV you own. That way you avoid paying for the high voltage battery out of warranty.
Thanks for watching and reaching out! That is definitely an option. Fortunately my battery and drivetrain warranty are 120,000mi so I still have another 45,000mi to go (about 2 years given my driving). And definitely, ICEs out of warranty also come with significant risks and diminished resale value. Likely EVs will depreciate even more so until the market can get some good data on battery longevity either per manufacturer, model, SKU, etc. I will be in the market for a new car in the 2026 timeframe so that may work out well. If Model Y gets an upgrade similar to what Model 3 recently received, it's likely I'd stick with Y.
Hi, thanks for watching and reach out. The funny thing is that despite the estimated time for appointment availability, as mentioned in the video, I was able to drive to my service center and they fit me in. EV batteries are significant components so it makes sense that it takes at least a couple days to source replacements. God knows ICE engine repairs don't always happen overnight either. As for Tesla: they're a new company massively ramping up production, and like any company that drastically scales sales, service & support always get hammered on the backend. I do have a bit of empathy with the Service & Support teams who are on the front lines of all sorts of craziness. Hopefully Tesla can get ahead of it as quickly as possible, which will allow to EV future to launch even faster than it currently is.
Great to hear from you as well. I hadn't posted in a year and a half and TH-cam was going to end my channel monetization if I didn't post something by today! Haha
Thanks for watching and reaching out. It'll definitely be interesting to see how soon different batteries hit the market. Two years seems like a reasonable amount of time to wait.
Thanks for watching the video and reaching out. I suppose at the end of the day it's not that much different from internal combustion engines. Some of them last a long time, but some of them don't. The good news with my Tesla is that the drivetrain and battery warranties are 120,000 miles (193,000km) which is twice as long as most powertrain warranties for similarly performing cars from other ICE manufacturers. Because of that, my repair experience was relatively quick, convenient enough, and free. But consumers in the used electric vehicle market with out-of-warranty batteries are going to need a lot more third-party repair shop data to properly price the value of such vehicles before the free market can work some of its magic. Because of that risk and unpredictability - and until we get that data - the used EV resale market is going to be quite harsh on sellers and quite beneficial to buyers.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your feedback. If you had watched the whole video, you would see that the battery comes with a 120,000 mile warranty which is more than twice the warranty that comes with most internal combustion engine vehicles for powertrain. The repair was relatively quick, convenient and free so I really don't have many complaints. Certainly Tesla can improve the minutia of its service offering, and I do look forward to battery electric vehicles uniformly having batteries with greater longevity even in those few cases of batteries that do go bad, but overall the ownership experience for my battery electric vehicle has been vastly superior to anything I ever had with an ICE. That all said: my advice to anyone looking to buy a car is that they should buy the exact vehicle that is right for them and their needs. If an electric vehicle does not meet your needs, you should not buy one. As for myself: I will never buy an internal combustion engine powered by filthy, expensive and dangerous globalist Big Oil gasoline or diesel ever again.
That's for sure. I think the key difference is that ICE consumers (and repair shops) have decades of generally reliable data to make reasonable projects on engine longevity, whereas the market is still gathering all that EV data at the moment with very little out-of-warranty information to work with. By the early 2030s we'll have enough batteries (and electric motors) out of warranty to start putting any uncertainty to rest, and then we consumers can move on. Also, there should be a much more robust 3rd party battery repair industry functioning by then driving down repair costs as well. Thanks for watching!
High use of those"super " charges will shorten the life of any EV battery also the refurbished second hand batteries will not last as long as a new one best of luck
We shall see! But it's definitely an interesting issue that's going to have to be addressed sooner or later by EV manufacturers if they plan to go beyond 40+% market penetration. If the batteries can't handle intense DC charging then either the EV market will end up MUCH smaller than many people think OR battery warranties will need to be increased from 120,000mi up to 180,000mi so people feel comfortable buying used EVs. Otherwise the effective resale price of an EV at 100,000 to 120,000mi will drop down to $0 if the risk of an $8,000-$13,000 battery replacement looks probable.
@@pauldavies6037Of course the grids will be be able to handle all the energy needed for EVs, and producers will be able to deliver it. The US, for example, has tripled our electrical production since the 1950s. Improvements in energy consumption across our economy as well as switching a large portion of our vehicles over to EVs will only require an additional 40-50% more electricity than we currently produce (which will result in a massive reduction in coal & petroleum production). If we were able to triple our electricity production over the past 70 years, there’s absolutely no reason we can’t increase a production by 30% over the next 40-50. Once this switch over is largely complete by the 2070s, literally no-one will remember what the fuss was all about.
What is it when service centers give you a loaner they can't keep them clean. I guess they drive them when a customer doesn't have them... I have gotten quite a few loaners and I believe all of them have been dirty...
Hi! It's interesting that you mention that. There seems to be a good amount of debate on the topic. As best I've read, Model Y LR pre-March 2021 had a 75kWh gross pack, and in my case, I only ever had a max usable capacity of 72kWh. Then, it appears that after March 2021 the gross pack was increased to 82kWh (there's A LOT of debate about that number); so it may well be 80kWh as you mentioned. Apparently it's listed on the pack itself (or used to be) but I've never actually seen my or anyone else's battery (nor have they, apparently). Despite the gross number, it appears that new packs are limited to around 78kWh... although there's debate about that as well. And I've read other things saying late 2023 MYLR gross pack ratings are even less than 80kWh. In any case, I have not personally seen anyone share 5/15/30mi screenshots + % SoC that resulted in a calculation of 80kWh usable capacity, soooooooooo... the debate continues. But yes, you might well be correct! :)
@@goingelectric7826 honestly it’s so confusing , pretty sure internally there is like 8 different packs that have been used in model Y which makes things even more complicated 😂
I used to drive gasoline powered vehicles. But I much prefer my electric vehicle. Better performance AND it cost just $1/gallon of AC electrons whereas gasoline is $4.50 around the corner. The good thing these days is that consumers finally have real choice in drivetrain technology and the energy that powers their vehicle for the first time in over 100 years. This is good for consumers. Some consumers will choose electric vehicles, others will choose internal combustion engines, and others will choose hybrids or some other option. Choice is good. Thanks for watching!
I get the feeling that nothing will please you. Despite the excellent service and the time they saved you by taking the car early and giving it back to you repaired a week early, you still have petty insignificant complaints about service..
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. I actually think the opposite is true: I mentioned that the repair was relatively quick, convenient and covered under warranty. All happy there. That said, my vehicle should not be left unlocked especially here in the Bay Area, and Tesla should also not be handing out dirty loaner cars to customers. These aren't complaints, but rather pointing out levels of service which Tesla will have to address if it plans on maintaining its current EV sales lead toward the latter of the decade as greater competition hits the market once manufacturers all switch over to NACS. Sooner or later, higher-end price points will require higher end service especially once battery electric drivetrains are no longer the key differentiator. I like my Tesla, and it's highly likely that I'll buy another one sometime around 2026, but the finer points of service will definitely need to improve. Thanks again for watching and I appreciate your feedback.
I'm just curious: do European internal combustion engines ever break down? Do European electric vehicle batteries ever require repairs/refers/replacement?
Thanks for watching! I'll stick with EVs moving forward, but definitely, each consumer should buy whatever is right for their needs. Some people do great with EVs and other with ICEs & hybrids.
Hey, thanks for watching and reaching out. No, not whining. But Tesla does need to make sure their loaner cars aren't filthy when customers pick 'em up. We give Tesla lots of money for our cars as ***WE*** pay for the transition to electric transportation, and in return Tesla simply has an obligation to provide basic levels of respect to their customers during repairs. Because I'm a nice guy, you'll notice that I didn't even complain about the $10 for the coin-op car wash + vacuuming I did myself to get the car to respectable. If Tesla wants to compete with the best, this is a kind and wise suggestion that they should consider implementing. It's the little things that make all the difference in the world.
According to my scientific math calculations I conclude Evs still dont do anything better for day to day practical use than gas cars and lithuim batteries still suck. I wonder if a honda civic could have done that trip with zero problems whatsoever and still not need a giant battery replacement and drive on for another 20 years.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. My advice to you and everyone else is: by the vehicle and technology that works best for your needs. Having owned ICEs throughout my own life, they definitely do breakdown as well and repairs can be expensive. If you watched the video, you would see that my battery replacement was relatively quick, convenient and cost me exactly $0.00 under warranty. Moreover, the battery warranty is 120,000 miles which is twice as good as most warranties for ICEs. Again though: if this isn't the sort of technology or experience you're looking for, and you don't want to save drastic amounts of money on filling up your car, then you should definitely stick with an internal combustion engine vehicle. Each person should do what is right for themselves.
@@goingelectric7826 Want to save money buy a 25k brand new Honda Civic Hatch sport drive it for 20 years and never pay for an overpriced Ev and battery again. Good luck on the next battery.
@@goingelectric7826 Secondly TH-camr tech bro experts need to stop calling EVs new TECHNOLOGY they were invented in the 1800s and have continously proved to be inferrior to ICE. The battery was and still is a massive weak spot. They have been attempted many times. The only reason they exsist today is our communist government subsidizing them by the billions. Lithum powered EVs are a joke period.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Yep, machines do breakdown... and it's the support companies offer that makes or breaks the experience. In this case, I was satisfied with Tesla's support. Best of luck!
There's all sorts of good competition coming to the market over the next couple years especially now that everyone is switching over to NACS in North America. Competition is excellent for consumers, and it'll be great to see how Tesla responds. As for Sudden Battery Death, it'll also be interesting to see what the rates are for other manufacturers... and that's something they're likely not sharing either.
Nice video. You're honest but still there is a problem with this type of vehicle beautiful as it is, and exciting as it is to drive. I have heard of such problems before. These cars need to last up to 20 years to avoid them from piling up in junk yards with beautiful intact bodies.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your opinions. It's important to realize that an electric vehicle is essentially like any other car except that the powertrain is different. The rest of the vehicle can be easily recycled and reprocessed at the end of its life just like any other car. Also, electric motors and internal combustion engines are conceptionally very similar and easy to recycle, with the advantage that the electric motor is simply much smaller than easier to handle at the end of its life. An electric vehicle battery is certainly a large component that will need to be dealt with separately as more and more of these vehicles get on the road, but the good news is that much of it is comprised of easily recyclable metals, as well as a small amount of highly valuable minerals/metals which are sought after on the metals trading and recycling markets. At this moment, billions of dollars of are being invested in battery extraction, deconstruction and recycling processes and facilities, and we will see more and more of that as EV production ramps up over the next two decades. But yes, in my case I had a defective battery at 64,000 miles and that is something to think about. Likewise, internal combustion engines can and do occasionally become defective early in their life as well and that also requires interventions, repairs, rebuilds and replacements. There's no reason to think electric vehicles will be any different. However, the good news with EV batteries is that it's rare that the entire pack dies. Instead, usually what happens is one or several modules within the pack become defective, those are identified and replaced with new/repaired modules rather than needing an entirely new battery pack. The details of battery repairs, rebuilds and replacement are far more nuanced and less dramatic than many people seem to believe.
I think he is talking about the 12volt battery not tge battery pack. Your battery in your gasoline engine car has a 12volt battery too that needs changing every 4-5 years
Nobody forced u to buy that crappy electric car when gas engine cars have proven to last and never have major issues just look at the driver who put 1 million miles on his tundra 2007 model and I also love my Kia 2008 with 274k with mostly original parts and only 14,250 dollars in 2008 and no ev can say that
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. Yep, no-one forced me to buy my EV. I gladly bought it in 2020 with exactly $0.00 in tax credits or subsidies. And I'd do it again. I'll also replace this EV one day with another EV since I will *NEVER* go back to owning an ICE. My 120,000mi battery and powertrain warranty is significantly better than the 50,000-60,000mi powertrain warranties offered on most similarly sized/powerful CUVs & SUVs. Sure, I'd love my vehicle's major components to last forever, but if you watched the whole video, you'd see that my repair was relatively quick, convenient and cost me $0.00 at 64,000mi. and will continue to cost me nothing at least until I cross 120,000mi, which is respectable.
Glad to see you back. I started following you when I got my Y three years ago this month. I currently have 160,000 miles with only 9% degradation with no issues to speak of. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the welcome back message! Cool that we bought our Ys in the same month. And impressive that you have so many miles on your Y. I was averaging 2,700mi/mo the first 18 months due to all my pandemic travel (looks like you're around 4,400?) but I've definitely dropped it down significantly since returning to California and getting back into the regular commuter swing of things. And super cool that you haven't had any issues. That seems to be the case with most owners I chat with. Thanks for watching and continue to enjoy your Y! 😃
Wow . really good results. Just bought model y . Hope it'll work like yours
not bad
Wow that's a crazy yearly mileage you must spend half your life in a car !
9% is just a number to make you feel nice. The pack could fail at any moment. How many others had numbers that suggested a failure was coming?
As part of the push to EVs the government should also encourage more options for inexpensive battery repairs. Some exist and can repair the individual cells that are bad for as little as $700 with great success instead of replacing the whole pack. Under warranty like this it makes sense for Tesla to replace the whole pack and then refurbish your pack to reuse but out of warranty there should be options to refurbish your pack and put it back in.
Definitely. I will need to reach out to my local representative to start demanding "right to repair" legislation covering EV batteries so that consumers would have the right to have their batteries and modules/components repaired by cheaper third-party shops rather than being locked into expensive OEM refurbs or full-pack repairs.
Aside from the inconvenience of a repair/refurb in-warranty, this isn't a big deal for new car buyers. But it's going to hammer the used EV market and especially middle-class and lower middle-class consumers buying used EV's no later than the late 2020s or throughout the 2030s.
Right to repair legislation is the only thing that's going to allow working class consumers to buy into this technology, otherwise they will be stuck with ICEs forever.
Pack "refurbishing" has a high failure rate. You do not replace individual cells. They snip the link to take the shorted cell out of the circuit in the brick. As far as replacing individual battery bricks in the tray that is problematic in older packs. If you try to put used brick and certainly another new brick in the tray the battery management system "especially in teslas" with eventual find the imbalance and shut the pack down. This is why "refurbished" packs come with very little warranty. It is always best if the pack has a fair amount of mileage to replace the pack with all new. New teslas with the larger cell are not serviceable at all as the entire pack is filled with expansion foam. In the future EVs will be stacked tall in junkyards do to the car being impractical to repair due to the cost of a pack especially if the car has been in a accident. If anyone thinks the cost of a pack is going to drop like a rock in the near future or there is some sort of magic battery tech just around the corner then they are deluding themselves.
This is why right to repair is such a big deal. Tesla doesn't want you to be able to fix your own car. They should just make the battery packs modular. Where they're removable and cheaper to replace. I have electrical experience and have replaced the dead 18650 batteries in Milwaukee batteries. I think I'd be able to replace the batteries in the car if they made it accessible.
So we can all pay for your batteries. Nope
@@vintagepipesnightmaresPay for whose batteries and how? I got exactly $0.00 in subsidies for my EV in 2020. However, I've been forced to pay taxes for decades to fund TRILLIONS of dollars in destructive foreign oil wars and your foreign oil addiction. Write me a check for my welfare subsides to you and other gasser owners all these years, and we can call it even.
Hi Daniel.. So Great to see you back... I really enjoyed your around north America trip series... I have the same model Y in blue with white interior but 2022, so its awesome to watch you go through all the ups and downs of ownership, thanks. Great video on your dead battery incase I have a similar issue .. which I hope NOT.. LoL .. I think it would be fantastic if you can make a video every month just to keep everyone who's been watching from the beginning up to date on how things are going with your car since you drive so much.. thanks again for another super video Cheers Andy
Thanks for reaching out, and great to hear from you! Interestingly, once I had returned to California in early 2022, life and career took over and I didn't have much time for making videos. God knows they barely make any money anyways. Haha... but TH-cam did send me an email a couple weeks back saying that they would turn off monetization on my channel today if I didn't post something since it had been so long since my last one, so I figured I would whip this one up and get back into the game a little bit. Life and career are still pretty busy these days, so we'll see what happens but I do enjoy the channel and chatting with all of you.
Last week I was literally thinking about posting in one of your videos to see how you were doing and ask if you had any plans to post any new videos and this morning I found this one.
So glad to see you are back. I hope to see more videos from you.
Have a great week.
Hey! Thanks for reaching out and being so thoughtful! It turns out that after I returned to California last year, life & career took over and I just couldn't make the time for video production, no matter how much I enjoyed doing it during the pandemic. However, a couple weeks back I got a little email from TH-cam saying they'd demonetize my channel if I didn't publish something new by today, so I jumped on it. Wouldn't wanna forego $3/month in advertising revenue! Haha... I hope all is well with you, and hopefully it'll take me less time for my next video. :)
Damn now there's a guy who doesn't waste my time. Terrific and informative you look at all sides, really appreciate it.
Thanks for your very kind words! My personal view is that all of us consumers should be honest about our experiences both with battery electric vehicles but also competing technologies like internal combustion engines, compressed natural gas, hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Battery electric vehicles are still a relatively new technology with a lot of answered questions or repair data for consumers to make well informed purchasing decisions. I feel that the more UNBIASED data consumers share online about each technology, the more informed consumers will be when they make purchasing decisions with their hard earned money. I will never buy a gas powered vehicle again, but I also am not a blind EV fanboy who tries to hide any uncomfortable aspects of EV ownership that some of us experience. Through this sort of open and honest feedback, viewers can see that my battery repair experience was pretty quick, convenient and cost me nothing under warranty; but also comes with some other inconvenient issues that car manufactures are going to have to answer to or improve as the technology ramps up. Thanks for watching and reaching out!
See my new post about cost of a new 75KWh battery in 2025 and gasoline saving $5K/yr
As a rule never drain the battery beyond 30% depth of discharge… degradation worsens when you fully discharge your batteries…
That's an interesting topic, and likely explains Tesla's ABC (Always Be Charging) mantra to minimize deep discharge and recharge cycles. I've seen some interesting content on that topic, and it'll be unfortunate (for both Tesla and consumers) if it's true, especially for EV owners who don't have the luxury of at-home/at-work AC charging AND who are dependent on DC charging AND who don't have the time or desire to DC charge frequently to minimize deep discharges/recharges. If engineers can't get around that, then many car owners will need to stick with ICEs and hybrid ICEs due to the inconvenience and cost of frequent DC charging when trying to avoid advanced degradation from deep discharges/recharges. And that'll be particularly expensive for Tesla and other EV/battery manufacturers to pay for all the in-warranty repairs in the meantime!
I'm not sure if Tesla owners are more likely to report things/experiences on TH-cam, but you are the 4th TH-camr (that I know of) that's had their battery pack replaced in a Model Y.
I've been considering a Model Y for over 2 years. I guess you could find negative reviews of any vehicle over 2 years. But, I've never considered an ICE vehicle that I've found 4 reviews having engine replacement.
Thank you for your honesty!
It's definitely an interesting topic. As a Gen 1 mass market EV under warranty, very technically none of this bothers me, but we consumers are definitely going to need some additional battery reliability data to learn if this is common or not. I would certainly expect greater longevity for a more mature, Gen 2 design. Thanks for reaching out!
All car makers have occasional issues and lemons. As long as they warrant the parts with a reasonable mileage or time, you should be good to go. In general, you will likely see more EV/Tesla owners sharing their experiences because EVs are so new. It isn't unusual for a car to need a new transmission or engine within the warranty period although the vast majority make it well beyond it. The same is likely true for batteries. For every report of a battery failing within the warranty peroid, there are examples of batteries lasting well beyond. As with any car, I recommend having an emergency fund set aside for big fixes when they happen after the warranty expires. I have a 2021 Tesla Model Y LR and I have driven it 25,000 miles so far without any _major_ issues.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcThat is certainly true. Interestingly, many ICE warranties are significantly shorter than what Tesla offers on the drive unit and battery. Sure, the repairs have been inconvenient, but my vehicle is definitely better off for them. And since they're in warranty I don't complain. But that 120,000 mile mark does give me something to think about… 🤔
over 2 years? Nuh...a gas car is classed as NEW car at 2 years...issues start after 4 or 5 years only... just bought a 2022 Camry - it' sliek BRAND new..will ho another 250,000 miles with very little serbvice needed.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xc Yeah true. Consumer Reports released their annual car reliability survey. The survey revealed EVs from the past 3 model years had 79% more problems than conventional cars. It was based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles. They summarized that most common problems EV owners report are issues with electric drive motors, charging systems, and EV batteries which makes sense because EVs are so new. Tesla was the best EV as they noted so best to get a Tesla at this point even though there are growing pains.
Great to see you back on TH-cam - excellent battery information too. Thank you! You should post a short with the cybertruck sighting. Most folks have never seen one. Your opinion about battery life is something I think ppl need to hear too. It’s something I never considered, but I have a friend who owned the Fiat 500e and when his battery died they quoted 15K for a new one - more than the price of a new car, so he got a new car instead.
Thanks for reaching out and welcoming me back! 😃 Definitely, the wildcard cost of battery repairs and replacements is going to put significant downward pressure on the resale value of used EVs out of warranty. I think it will be an opportunity for people to buy them on the cheap, but the loss in value for sellers is going to be quite impactful, at least until the market has enough data to understand repair/refurb/replacement costs, and can price that all in appropriately. I think that's gonna take us a good 7 to 15 years to really get that kind of data. In the meantime it's going to be an interesting challenge for everyone. And like you mentioned, many people will just choose to get a new or used car in response. Thanks for watching!
Welcome back Daniel! I was wondering where you went to. Very good video.
It's great to be back! TH-cam needed me to publish a video by today otherwise they were going to demonetize my channel (and I'd lose approximately $3/month in ad revenue! Haha) so I figured I'd get one up quick. Thanks for the kind words on the video! :)
I got a brand new model x about 3 weeks ago. At under 500 miles was plugged into a supercharger and battery died. Model x is still in the service center on our 6th day. Supposed to be done and replaced in 2 days, fingers crossed. Everyone I have talked to says I just had bad luck and this isn’t very common. Hoping no more issues since the model x was my dream vehicle. Good info and thanks for the video
Sorry to hear about the battery! It does suck that it happened at all, much less so soon. I've got a couple friends who bought a Subaru a couple months back and it broke down last month on a drive across the country. Sometimes we just get that bad luck of the draw, eh. Grrr. Hopefully Tesla takes care of you. Keep us all updated!
I'm on year 13 with a hybrid car (2010 Fusion Hybrid), with a battery pack that hasn't died and still gets solid MPG. Even if I need to replace the small pack, it's less than $1500. I think I'm going plug-in hybrid next time. 40ish miles on electric, then 40mpg afterwards works perfectly for me as it covers my commute. I do live in the Midwest and was worried about EV infrastructure and cold weather range at highway speeds when visiting family a couple hours away. Interestingly enough, we're having our warmest December on record with every day in the 50s and no hope for a white Christmas. If every winter was mild like this, I'd be much more likely to want to buy one.
I still think EV manufactures need pro-rated fees for battery replacements as they're just replacing specific cells. There will be no mass adoption until they solve the "what do I do after the warranty expires?" question. My hybrid car runs just fine after 13 years, but an EV? That's just a $10k expense time-bomb.
Yes, you can't sit around for 8 hours waiting for the car to charge.
HiCheepchipsable: thanks for watching! DC charging sessions can be as quick as 10-15 minutes depending on how much juice you need to complete your journey; whereas full charges can take 30-50 minutes -- not 8 hours.
However, at-home/at-work AC charges do take 2-10 hours (depending on your equipment and how much energy you need) but that hardly ever matters because almost all of that charging is done when the car is parked doing nothing anyways, either because you're working, sleeping or just not driving.
Because of that, wherever cars are parked for longer periods of time doing nothing for whatever reason, that's a great place to charge an EV on cheap AC electricity rather than more expensive faster DC chargers for filling up on expensive gasoline and diesel.
The benefit of slower AC 240V chargers at home/work when you're not driving your car anyways is that a gallon-equivalent of electricity only costs 40 cents to $1.25 whereas gasoline and diesel range from $2.50-$5.50/gallon.
In my case, my apartment AC 240V electricity costs $1.02/gallon whereas gasoline is $4.50 around the corner. Also, my powertrain maintenance has been $0.00 over the past 75,000mi, so there are a lot of benefits if AC charging works for you.
But if none of that works for you, then you should definitely stick with a hybrid ICE. Car buyers should stick with whatever type of powertrain works best for them and their needs. Good luck!
Yeah but your car not only using the battery for everything so less stress tesla even use it for the fknig door handle.... even tho it's a physical lever jsut to push a button inside to electronically operate the door.
I wonder if Tesla can share the statistics on battery premature failires.
Thanks for watching! Tesla definitely could... BUT... I imagine that's some pretty sensitive and proprietary data that Tesla wouldn't want to share broadly with competitors. I have a feeling we'll only really learn about all this once large numbers of out-of-warranty batteries start hitting the 3rd party repair circuit in a couple years. (This isn't much different than in-warranty failure rates for ICEs, etc.) Once the market starts getting all this data, the used EV/battery markets are going to be in for some seriously interesting pricing adjustments based on those findings. Until then!
Yes they can buy they would never do it 🤣😆🤣😆
FINALLY! YOU'RE BACK! Glad to see you again!
It's great to be back! TH-cam needed me to publish a video by midnight otherwise I was going to be demonetized ($3/mo, baby!) so I decided to whip up this little nugget. I think my next videos will be: "Living on 120V!" and "Living without at-home charging!"
Very glad to see you back!
Great to be back! I hadn't posted in a year and a half and TH-cam was going to demonetize the channel if I didn't get something up by today. Eeeek! Thanks for reaching out!
2021 Model Y Long Range here with 40k mi with about 3% degradation. No issues to report. Longest trip was 7 hours to Sedona, AZ.
Thanks for reaching out with your experience. It's great for all of us to learn from each other's experiences. I took my Y out to Sedona in the monsoonal summer of 2021. So beautiful there!!
an impressive amount of pit stops, for sure. I hope Tesla contacts you for customer feedback, you must have some fine recommendations for vehicle usability and suggestions for factory modifications to consider.
I couldn't agree more! Interestingly, Tesla never asks for my opinion. Haha...
Hi Daniel - Thanks for the video. What are your thoughts on buying a used Tesla with free supercharging? I love the idea of charging without cost and a supercharging station will be opening soon just 2 miles from my house. I've been intermittently looking for a 2016 that still has the battery and drive unit warranty for most of the remainder of 2024 but I'll admit I would be concerned about keeping the car after the warranty runs out. On the other hand I think I would enjoy the car up until that time, especially the free supercharging and it would also give me a taste of what it's like to own an EV. In your opinion, is it worth taking a chance on an older car like that or would it just be better to get a newer tesla and forget the free supercharging? As long as the battery and drive unit are still covered I think I would feel pretty secure driving one but if something else broke down that cost thousands of dollars to replace then I would be in a world of hurt and regret, lol.
Hey! Sorry for the delay in responding... I've been away from TH-cam for the last little bit. 😃 I suppose buying an EV out of warranty shouldn't be that much different than any other vehicle, with the one reasonable excepting that you'll need to consider the costs of a significant repair/refurb/replacement should the need arise after you buy. If I were to buy an EV out of warranty in 2024, I'd negotiate hard to reduce the price as much as absolutely possible, because you'd be wise to also set that discounted amount of money aside to pay for a repair/refurb/replacement battery if necessary.
We're still at the point where 3rd party repair shops are rare, repairs are expensive and of unknown efficacy, and because of that, resale value of an out-of-warranty EV should currently be very low. The risk to buyers will primarily be the burden of sellers for the time being until the used EV market has more data on out of warranty Tesla battery longevity to properly price out-of-warranty batteries given a certain age and mileage.
Also, since consumers don't have access to charging records, much less how that data may impact battery health, buyers are in a pretty good position to negotiate on prices.
So... enjoy the remainder of the 2024 battery/motor warranty while it lasts; as for the rest of the car, it'll be like any other 8 year old performance sedan -- likely not cheap if anything breaks. Because of that, many Tesla owners on message boards are quite keen to promote buying new rather than used... but that might also be because Tesla owners in those groups are in a position to do so but not everyone else is.
Good luck with your decision and keep us all updated on your experience!!
@@goingelectric7826 Hi Daniel - thanks so much for your thoughtful reply, you've given me lots to think about. Will definitely keep you posted once I finally do make a decision!
My sense is that these failures are not the batteries themselves, but the electronics in the controls and the many physical connections between the cells. I have owned LED light bulbs and fixtures that are supposed to last forever, and many of them failed prematurely because of a five cent circuit board component going bad. There is a burgeoning industry in repairing batteries, and Tesla is also refurbishing them in house, so the problem is not the actual cells, but something fixable in the circuitry. They are not going in and replacing every cell in the pack for these fixes. I would compare this to the premature engine failure in an ICE vehicle, which also happens rarely, but is very expensive to repair.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Based on what I've read as well, that definitely seems to be likely for a good portion of batteries that suddenly die. These are very sophisticated components after all with lots of electronics that can go wrong. And with battery manufacturing into the millions now, we're simply going to see more and more people experiencing this problem even if the overall defect rate is quite low. I can understand why a battery manufacturer would not be all that forthcoming with the specifics of a particular battery's malfunction, but with electric vehicles being as impactful as they are - and are going to be - consumers should be provided as much information as possible so that they can know what to expect. This is going to be particularly impactful on the out of warranty used EV market. Without lots of public data available, I have a feeling the used EV market is going to suffer unnecessarily. This may benefit buyers, but would be particularly detrimental to sellers, not to mention new car companies trying to sell new EVs into markets that have unnecessarily low resale value because buyers can't make any rational cost projections based on probabilities and costs for specific repairs. All stuff apparently for the market to determine starting in the late 2020s and ramping up well into the 2030s.
Thank you for the video, I'm in the UK, on my 6th Audi diesel, no degradation, still pulls like a train and 600 miles on a fill up, Not covered as many miles as my diesel BMW though, that's on 214,000 miles, I'm holding off on EV's for a few years, simply because I'm happy to watch how it goes
Hi, thanks for watching. My advice to everyone is: if EVs don't work for you, stick with a gasoline/petrol/diesel (hybrid) ICE. Choice and competition in the market are good for everyone! PS: I've got a couple friends who bought a new Subaru several months back and it broke down on a drive last month across the country -- sometimes these malfunctions unfortunately happen to EVs, ICEs, or any other type of manufactured good. The main thing is the service/support experience when they occur, and I'm pleased with the battery repair by Tesla.
Can the new 4680 packs even be refubished? If you watch the Munro Live engineers take one apart it almost seems unserviceable with all the hard foam between the cells. To recycle one it is basically has to be thrown in a grinder and have all the elements skimmed off chemically.
My wife and I rented a MYLR and loved it. We are looking at one. So many changes througout its relatively short exisance so far!
Thanks for watching and reaching out! I've watched many battery repair videos as well and I think it's fair to say that only Tesla (or other battery repair/recycling) business know for sure what the real situation is.
I'd be surprised if 4680s weren't refurb'able because that could get really expensive for Tesla to have to pay for in-warranty full-pack replacements if only some small portion of the pack were malfunctioning.
Also, it would be quite an environmental scandal as well. But we'll never really know until 4680 packs are out of warranty in large numbers and non-Tesla battery repair/recycling companies start sharing their data (likely in the form of pricing for repairs) and then customers start sharing their own data publicly on how much those repairs cost and how long they last. Thanks again for watching!
I wouldn't buy a Tesla with those glued in battery I would buy a Tesla with LFP battery modules easya to fix
Thank you for sharing this story. I would love to buy a Tesla Model Y BUT the service delivery seems so inconsistent from location to location. I have been a primarily BMW family of cars owner and have had extremely great service/reliability. I am always prepared to pay $2-$4K more for a car with a great service network and high reliability. I'm hoping the Model 3/Y this far into their lifecycle will meet my expectations. SF Bay area resident who appreciates a nice riding vehicle. Is your Model Y a 'keeper' for you?
Thanks for watching and reaching out! That's a very complex question. Haha.
I have a 2020 September build that was assembled during the ramp up of the pandemic as well as the manufacturing/labor issues Tesla had with the local county while much of the economy was being shuttered/complicated.
I believe that has something to do with some of the assembly/component issues I have had with my specific vehicle.
The good news is that Tesla has made some very impressive manufacturing improvements over the past two years and I have not come across many people with new Ys who have had the type of problems I have had with my 2020 Y.
Because of that, I would feel pretty confident in buying a new Y.
That said, Tesla seems to be suffering the same service problems that any manufacturer of any suddenly popular piece of hardware experiences. Sales outstrip service and support capabilities, and the service suffers.
I have had hit and miss experiences with the numerous service needs of my vehicle. I always find the service techs and front desk personnel to be extremely friendly and helpful. But when it comes time for rectifying some of the significant problems I've had with my car, service managers get involved and they eventually ruin the day - which I imagine is due to their need to cut costs.
I have also had some significant mechanical problems with my specific Y. The good news is that Tesla repairs them if they're related to the battery under warranty or if there is a safety issue involved. That's great.
But when the issues are primarily cosmetic (assembly issues or squeaky suspension/wheels), Tesla does not fix it and they provide the dreaded assessment that what you THINK you're experiencing is "within spec". That term is actually a punchline for many of us Tesla owners.
But like I said, the vast majority of new owners I talk to don't have and haven't had the problems I've experienced with mine so you'd probably be in much better shape.
But if you do have to tango with Tesla service, it's not going to be as nice as what you're used to with BMW.
BMW is a sophisticated company with quite sophisticated customers. Tesla is a crazy company ramrodding its way into a new electrified future, which all of us customers love.
At the same time, it doesn't have to deliver the same sophisticated level of service and support that other luxury brands do. At some point that will change for Tesla, but it's just not the case right now and it's pretty clear they're not that focused on changing it any time soon.
@@goingelectric7826 Thank you for all the clarity. So... Is your Model Y a 'keeper' or will you be upgrading to a CPO (they call it 'Provenance') Rolls Royce Spectre? 💰💰😉
@@chrispnw2547I'd say my Y is a keeper. Just checked out some of those Provenance deals and at $350,000+, that's a steal!! 🤣
Great information AGAIN!! 😁 Welcome back! 🇺🇸👊🏼👍🏼
Thanks for those very kind words! When I'm making my videos I like to think about day-to-day experiences we Tesla and EV owners have that there aren't too many videos made about. And since I'm not concerned with revenue, I enjoy the format of just chatting about things as I see and experience them. Thanks for watching!
You asked for more information on battery life, cost etc. But remember we are the guinea pigs for all that information. The battery that tesla is using is new, so there is no data yet. Our cars will make that data and decide which battery is best. We are on the cutting edge of attempting to chane the way we drive cars in the future. Now we are hearing about tires that only last 6000k because of the weight of the car and aggressive driving. Its all new, but honestly i am happy to be part of the brave people who step away from burning fossil fuel and seek another way.
Great to see you back! Since your last video we have gotten a Model Y and put well over 28,000KM on it in less than a year, and taken it everywhere. Definitely a great road trip car as you know, and your videos are always enjoyable to watch. Glad to see your still enjoying your Tesla and look forward to more content when you have time!
Thanks for reaching out with your very kind words! 🙏 Congrats on your MY purchase and putting so many miles on it. I find MYLR to be an excellent road tripping car, and now that I've travelled so much on Autopilot, I definitely wouldn't want a long distance vehicle without it, or something as good as it is. Autopilot is a godsend these days on my daily 50-100mi highway commutes, especially in traffic. Best of luck with your Y, and thanks for watching!
@@goingelectric7826 Soft ware recalls for autopilot having not enough AI lol
What is the cost of a battery replacement not under Tesla warranty?
Hi, thanks for reaching out. I don't know for sure what the cost is, although there are various sources online that provide their estimates, largely based on out-of-warranty repairs. Currently, the price is quite high: on par with the cost of a performance vehicle internal combustion engine if one of those fails out of warranty. While batteries and ICEs aren't exactly comparable 1:1, electric motors are smaller than ICEs and typically much more reliable and lower maintenance; whereas a battery is a larger and more expensive component than an electric motor and typically more expensive to repair and replace, again, on par with a performance ICE. As for warranties, a similarly performing ICE to a Model Y would be something like a Porsche Macan which only has a 50,000mi warranty, whereas a Tesla Model Y has a 120,000mi drive unit & battery warranty. A Macan ICE runs $7,000-$15,000, so......... it's fair to say that this whole topic is nuanced and quite complex, to say the least. As more and more batteries exit their warranties, we'll start learning how frequent breakdowns are along with the complexity of repairs & cost. Just like ICEs, we should not expect it to be cheap.
@@goingelectric7826 Thanks for the great information!
Did they say what caused the battery to fail? From what I've heard most battery failures happen in the warranty period because of a manufacturing defect but they last a very long time otherwise. Hopefully that's accurate.
Thanks for reaching out!
Tesla was essentially silent about what the issue was. One tech mentioned that it was a refurbished pack whereas the service manager was all very evasive with any questions that I asked.
That said, I've done a fair amount of reading about this and in many cases you have some sort of defective module/component within the battery that can be extracted and repaired/replaced, and then you get a refurbished pack that in many ways is even better than new because it has had eyes on it.
I would love it if that's the case for me.
If that turns out to be true, then consumers would not need to worry about defective batteries coming off the assembly line, other than the inconvenience of dealing with a repair under warranty several tens of thousands of miles after purchase.
But if longevity rates of refurbed packs end up being in the hundreds of thousands of miles, then that would placate both the new EV market as well as those in the used EV market who might be somewhat terrified otherwise that they would face an $8000-$13,000 battery replacement risk shortly after the vehicle's battery warranty expired.
In that case, the cost of used EVs that had *not* experienced a battery failure/replacement under warranty might effectively become worthless because of high out-of-warranty risk.
That could then instigate some owners of EVs coming up on the end of their warranty to try to do everything possible to destroy their batteries in order to get a free battery replacement to increase the resale value of their EV.
This whole situation might get bonkers pretty quick!
@@goingelectric7826 they definitely have to increase the options for affordable battery repair then. It really shouldn't be that difficult with the right equipment to find the bad cell and rebalance. The government should encourage shops to open for this purpose or as part of their business and require companies like Tesla to make schematics available to assist in the repairs. Although one major limiter in the number of shops like this available is the fact that so few batteries go bad. So that's a good thing. It's like the reason that batteries aren't really recycled so critics say they aren't recyclable. There are so few bad ones that can't be reused for something else that there's no point in starting an industry to recycle them.
@@goingelectric7826I bought a model y used from tesla with 40k miles. It came with a new 120k mile batter and drive train warranty. Which I thought was amazing.
@@APatchworkCanvasThat sounds pretty impressive!! That sort of service & support offering will definitely support the used EV market.
Too many issues,there’s millions of cars out there!
It’s uncommon for this to happen but scary and very real. I’ve been watching your channel since you got your car and missed your videos the past couple months. Now i see what you dealt with, it won’t deter me from buying one but it does scare me away from a used one with already 50k miles like i thought would be okay.
Thanks for reaching out and great to hear from you! Thanks also for watching my videos. It has been a fun journey over these past three years. Definitely, I don't think you have much to worry about with a Tesla purchase (and also likely not with any other manufacturer). The 120,000 mile battery & drive unit warranty is spectacular and keeps you well protected. Yes, this technology is new and the industry is evolving fast, but 120,000 miles is very impressive for any car warranty and certainly for batteries. Best of luck with your EV purchase and I know Tesla will treat you well if you have any issues with your battery.
That's certainly a thoroughly comprehensive vlog, thankyou. Bothers me that Tesla alone refurbishes the battery packs as prevents any would be competitors dead. Owing yours and others battery experiences and the rising insurance costs I've postponed my EV ownership for now. I'm especially wary of the Cybertruck and Tesla's claims versus the real world ownership experience.
Thanks for reaching out and providing your feedback. Definitely, we are in an interesting phase in the ramp up of battery electric vehicles and there are still many unknowns.
Because of that, quite a few customers will choose to sit out the current transition until these issues can be sorted out and there is more data for the general public to base purchase decisions on.
You may be one of those, and for someone like yourself, I would encourage you to consider a battery electric plug-in hybrid gasoline internal combustion engine vehicle like a Prius. Maintenance costs are higher for those sorts of vehicles, but at least they are more predictable. And as you know, range is still greater and refueling times are still shorter.
As for Tesla-only repairing the battery: that's an interesting topic. As a consumer whose battery is still under the original 120,000 mile warranty, there is no real reason why I would want anyone other than Tesla to repair the battery because my repairs are covered under the battery warranty.
Presumably if I took it to some third-party repair shop, it would not be covered.
Also, I should mention that the 120,000 mile battery warranty is impressive. As well as the 120,000 mile electric motor powertrain warranty that Tesla offers. That is more than twice as good as the warranty offered by manufacturers of internal combustion engine vehicles with similar performance.
Because of all of that, I really can't complain about my repair experience. But as more and more of these vehicles exit their 120,000 mile warranties, we will start acquiring vastly more data from third-party repair shops who are starting to develop the skill set to repair, refurbish and replace electric vehicle batteries.
It will be interesting to find that all out.
I was just wondering a little while ago what happened to you. You were like the first TH-camr I watched when I was thinking of getting my Y. Got it in June 21. Now at 50k and so far ok. Anyway at first I was thinking you were talking about the 12 volt. Wonder how much time THAT one has left.
Thanks for reaching out! It turns out I had returned to California after my pandemic drive around the US, and work and life took over. But TH-cam was going to demonetize my channel if I didn't post something by today, so I decided to make this video. :) And by demonetize, I mean, terminate the couple bucks I earn each month. Hahaha... thanks for reach out!
@@goingelectric7826 So how's your efficiency been? I remember that video of you having a brake failure and after it was fixed, your efficiency went up quite a bit.
@@iamweaveAs of today I'm at at 71,870 miles and my average efficiency through all that is 290Wh/mi or 3.4mi/kWh.
For context: I have 20 inch wheels and my understanding from chatting with a lot of other people is that for every inch in wheel size that you go up, you lose about 5% efficiency.
Also, I'd say a good 90% of my miles are on highways/Interstates around 65-75mph.
All around, I'm super impressed with the efficiency and it works out to something like 115 miles per gallon equivalent.
During the pandemic and the first 48,000 miles, I was doing a whole lot of varied driving but over the past 24,000 miles, I've settled mostly into mild California weather highway driving up and down the San Francisco Bay Area with a small amount of city driving and a smaller amount of suburban driving.
That brake repair was definitely beneficial, and this most recent battery pack replacement has given me even more range. Despite the inconveniences of all these repairs, I have to say the car is certainly better off for them.
In general, any type of rechargeable battery will deteriorate much faster if it is quick charged. My Samsung phone has quick charging capability but I always slow charge it because the battery is not user replaceable.
Me, too.
Hi, thanks for watching and submitting your comment. Yep, faster DC charging apparently seems to be more detrimental than slower AC charging based on various sources. Then again, some other ones say that the bigger issue is to not charge it up to 100%. Certainly, more battery data would be great for consumers. That said, it's fair to say that the battery management systems of $10,000 EV batteries are significantly more sophisticated than a throwaway burner smartphone battery. Lastly, your original comment is a good justification for building out as many 240V AC plugs anywhere cars are parked for longer periods of time so that EV owners can skip DC charging as much as possible. Looking forward to that AC future!!
@@goingelectric7826 Tesla batteries are 18650s. The same units used in laptops, powerbanks, torches, etc. Ideally, they last longer when used between 20-80%
Increased costs do not side step physical laws governing battery longevity.
Battery-powered cars definitely do not have a future, even if we insist on referring to them as Electric Vehicles.
@@BrownDaddy007Hi, high volume Teslas use the 2170-type cylindrical cell battery, not 18650. Moreover, Tesla is deploying 4680 cells for Cybertruck. Only the low volume Model S and X use 18650 cells. Definitely, we are in early days of the battery electric vehicle translation and it will take decades, but no, it’s not going away.
The Man the Myth the Legend is back!!! Sorry it took this for you to come back.
You are much too kind!!! TH-cam sent me a nasty-gram two months ago saying that if I didn't feed the beast with a new video they were going to cut off my monetization for the entire channel... and what would I do without that extra $7 a month?!? Haha... so I made another video and fed the beast like a good content creator. Hehe... If only I didn't have a day job that got in the way of being a TH-cam star! :) Thanks for watching!
How many tyres did you go thru
Hi. After driving my vehicle like the sports car it is, my first set of tires needed to be replaced around 26,000 miles and my second set around 30,000 miles. I'm currently on my third set of tires at 21,000 miles and they are still in great shape. I'm pretty confident they will make it to 30,000 miles or beyond.
Lol I love your channel. I had to talk my husband into getting us a Tesla and we are currently working on selling our Infiniti two Tesla and getting a model while long range 2024 model thanks for helping me make that decision.
Thanks for watching and reaching out! I appreciate your super kind words. Best of luck with your Y. Reach out if you ever have any questions! 😘
My 2021 Leaf had a battery fault, only about 12,000 miles, I don't think it's the mileage, just a lottery if you got a bad one. It was fixed for no cost of course. It didn't put me off as I now own an Ariya (and love it).
Thanks for reaching out! And yep: it does look like it's a lottery in terms of receiving a flawless battery or one that requires a repair/refurb earlier than other batteries. This is normal for literally anything that gets manufactured, eh. Cool that you have an Ariya! It looks like a great vehicle! I do like my Y but I'm always open to checking out the competition and seeing how that evolves as I enter the market for a new EV likely in the 2025-2026 timeframe. With everything switching over to NACS over the next couple years, I think the EV market is going to get super interesting. Thanks for watching!
Good to have u back !
It's good to be back! TH-cam was going to demonetize my channel if I didn't post something by today so here I am! Haha
What likely happened is a batch of cells went bad and the bms couldnt get the appropriate voltage so it turned off the charging system. It happens, ever bought any power tools and after 2 years of use it doesnt charge correctly. You take it apart and 1 cell is bad and it makes the whole battery feels like it is dead.
Thanks for providing your insights. It'll be interesting to learn the details of different types of battery malfunctions once we all become more familiar with battery technology, and once 3rd party repair shops start diving into this work and sharing their data more publicly than what we get from OEMs currently. It'll also be interesting to learn how effective (and economic) battery repairs/refurbs are, or if the dreaded/expensive full battery back replacement will be surprisingly more common than many of us would like to think about. Only time -- and good market data -- will tell. Thanks for watching!
Yes, one bad cell brings the rest down, as they are in series and can only charge as much as the weakest cell.
Excellent video. Thank you
You are definitely welcome. Thanks for watching!!! 🙏
Honestly, the best option for Tesla is to manufacture a lot of the base Model 3 and have the option to swap out the car if can’t be driven while under warranty. Battery issue etc. If the vehicle can’t be repaired in 8 hours, replace the car with a comparable on from inventory. Make this a feature of Tesla insurance. Like your iPhone is Apple can’t fix it, they swap it. Car accident not your fault? Swap, then Tesla repairs and add it to inventory for sale. No other car company can beat that model.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Definitely, it's a great customer experience when a car company can keep their customers on the road with loaner vehicles when things go wrong. It's always best when nothing bad happens, but when it does, it can make all the difference if car companies can step up and take care of their customers. In the case with my battery replacement, Tesla definitely came through.
One thing people forgets to remember that many parts are made in China that have issues with quality, consistency, and early failures, including EV batteries. A TH-camr says he drives a 2018 Model 3 for 3 yrs at 130,000 mile and its battery still retains 95% of its capacity. EV Batteries cost will be reduced by 40% to $99/KWh in 2025. So a 75KWh battery will cost about $7500, if needs to be replaced, similar or less than cost of a new ICE engine. Remember you save about $5K/yr for gasoline, a great saving there.
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out! Definitely, there are many great reasons to switch over to EVs even though a couple issues still need to have the wrinkles worked out. We are in early days. I'm excited for the further price reductions in each kWh of battery capacity, for longevity to increase, and for the continued build out of additional electrical generating capacity across our countries so we can eliminate oil imports and start powering our vehicles with energy produced locally. I'm happy with my EV and the 120,000mi battery warranty has been very beneficial. Upping it to 150,000-180,000mi would likely eliminate any consumer concerns, keep resale values higher and therefore depreciation rates lower. Best of luck on our electric future!
You save 5k a year on gas, are you comparing to a tank!? Umm the average annual fuel cost is $2200, so it would take about 4 years to come close to saving money, especially if you are supercharging
Great video. Very informative. I'm actually in the market for a new Tesla Y been in the process of doing lots of research. The word is that the juniper model will be out sometime in 2024. Hopefully, Tesla will have addressed these issues. They need to offer an extended warranty. I think it's only fair that the consumer should be offered an option to that.
Hi! Thanks for watching! Definitely, a 2024 Juniper update would be really nice and would likely include some significant updates to hardware.
At the end of the day, I recognize that I bought a Gen 1 vehicle built with extremely new battery technology which continues to be improved year on year, and I do accept some of the inconveniences that come with that.
As Generation 2+ models come out, more and more consumers will be less willing to accept "new and innovative" as an excuse. That said, today Tesla offers a 120,000 mile drivetrain and battery warranty which is at least twice as good as powertrain warranties offered by makers of similarly priced and powered crossover SUVs at similar price points.
In my case, the repair experience was fast, convenient and free, so I can't really complain. But yes: a 150,000-180,000 battery warranty would go far to comforting both new EV buyers as well as those in the used EV market.
Best of luck on your new Y once Juniper comes out!
Does the refurb have warranty?
A Tesla Model Y comes with an 8yr/120,000mi battery warranty which covers any/all battery service needs for any/all batteries that you may have in your vehicle during that time. If it’s just one, then that’s it. If it’s multiple replacements, then each of them are covered until the vehicle itself has crossed the 8yr/120,000mi warranty. After that time, you are on your own. But the warranty does not reset with a new battery. In the end, this is not such a bad thing. A similar performance crossover SUV like a Porsche Macan only has a 50,000 mile internal combustion engine warranty and those engines are quite expensive to repair, rebuild or replace out of warranty, so a 120,000 mile battery warranty is actually quite decent. Sure, engines and batteries are not exactly equivalent, but conceptually 120,000 miles is very acceptable.
You think this issue might be from all the super charging?
I'm not a battery engineer, but I imagine it can be somewhat complex. You have the issue of battery/cell degradation due to intense usage, but you also have various issues related to the complex electronics within the battery itself, or just defective materials. In my case, I would be surprised if it were purely related to DC charging because my battery degradation rate up until failure had only been -0.35 kWh or -0.5% per 10,000 miles of travel on average. It was surprisingly low and steady, and I was quite happy about that. Then it went off a cliff one weekend and the battery stopped functioning 6 days later. To me that seems like something a bit more fundamental related to manufacturing defect and/or significant material/component malfunction, which would be quite a bit different than some form of predictable degradation due to DC charging. But no doubt: DC charging is a significant workout on a battery and as best I understand, DC charging is quite a bit more intense than less powerful AC charging, so maybe it's a combination of factors all coming together in one unfortunate battery. But as mentioned in the video, Tesla was good about the in-warranty repair so I can't complain. I'll just be curious to see how long this refurbed pack lasts! 🤞
I got 2021 Model Y P and got the same battery warning. Tesla service center replaced my HV battery and 12V @ 38000 Miles expect I got a 2018 Model X 100 as a loaner. Was told my battery was on order when I arrived at the service center and car was ready in 72 hours. My battery at 100% charge was 256 miles. New battery shows 0-100 charge 74KWH.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing. It will be very helpful for all of us to learn about different experiences.
A loaner X is pretty sweet! And cool that it only took 72 hours.
74kWh seem very respectable for a 2020-2021 Y. I keep wondering about my own 12V battery. As best I know, it hasn't been replaced during my (many) service center visits. Knock on wood that it's been good all these miles and years, and continues to be! 🤣
Have a great evening!
Tesla should sell their cars with a special warranty on the battery pack lasting at least four hundred thousand miles. Period!
Thanks for reaching out! I certainly wouldn't mind a 400,000 mile warranty! But to be fair, the engine warranty on a similarly performing ICE like a Porsche Macan is only 50,000mi, whereas the Tesla drive unit & battery warranties are a 120,000mi, which are certainly better, so... Tesla is being generous all things considered. But yes, 400,000mi would be great. Or at least have an option for a $2,000 extended battery warranty or something similar? 🤷🏻♂️ Best of luck to us with longer warranties or longer performing batteries!
Welcome back! 😊
Thanks for the welcome back message. It's great to be back! Life and career have been keeping me pretty busy over the past year, but I thought it'd be fun to make another video... ESPECIALLY since TH-cam was going to demonetize my channel if I didn't publish something by today. And I'll tell you what: I'm not about to let go of $3/mo in advertising revenue!! Haha
@@goingelectric7826 100% get that with TH-cam monetization 😂. I have a March 2021 Y with the Panasonic 82kwh pack (~74-75kwh net usable under warm conditions) and I can relate to most of your videos and overall experiences of ownership.
Great that Tesla did swap your battery but what happens after the warranty is over ? You will pay up to 12k-15k for a new refurbished battery every 64,000 miles or you will simply not bother and get the new model ? Where is the sustainability in all of that as most of the EV owners brag that they do it not to fund the oil companies and to reduce pollution levels.
A huge topic that is not discussed enough is the out of warranty period and second hand market of EVs. Who is brave enough to buy a used EV after the warranty period?
It's far more eco friendly and cheap to run a simple Toyota for 10-15 years which will just run and run then swapping EVs like an iPhone. I can bet that 90% of the people who can not afford a brand new car will choose a 10 year old Corolla instead of a 10 year old Model S.
Don't get me wrong , EVs are great to drive but until the reliability and longevity is not drastically improved from my modest experience I will chose my old petrol car.
Hi! Thanks for watching and posting your views.
Yes, far more market data for battery longevity, OEM & 3rd party battery repair/refurb/replacement costs will need to hit the market before EVs can go mainstream and mass market consumers and businesses can feel comfortable switching over to EVs and better costing out risks.
That said, a Tesla Model Y drivetrain & battery warranty is 120,000 miles which more than twice as good as the typical ICE powertrain warranty by other ICE manufacturers of similarly powered crossovers at similar or even higher price points.
No doubt though: offering (optional) 150,000-180,000 mile battery warranties would go far to supporting both new EV buyers as well as consumers in the used EV market.
The good news though is that all the sources I've read have shown new Y battery pack replacements run $8,000-$13,000 for an all new battery pack (not $16K); in practice, most batteries don't require all new batteries but rather refurbished/repaired batteries with upgraded cells, modules or blocks. Those repairs are MUCH cheaper than buying an all new pack. Moreover, battery costs continue to decline significantly year on year (more or less) and certainly decade on decade, and there's no reason to believe that repairs/refurbs/replacements in the future also won't benefit from those declining costs as domestic manufacturing, component supply chains and domestic repair shops scale up. That same happened with ICEs throughout the 20th Century.
Finally, it's fair to say that a Toyota Corolla or Prius isn't a reasonable comparison for Tesla Model Y. A Y is a high performance/high power vehicle. Better comparisons would be sports CUVs/SUVs from Porsche, Audi, Lexus, Cadillac and others.
That all said: my current opinion is that a buyer who can't have access to cheap at-home/at-work 240V AC charging and instead would rely heavily on more expensive DC charging, those consumers should stick with hybrid ICEs and/or efficient small/cheap pure ICE vehicles until battery technology and costs improve.
Best of luck!
Still on 96% after 4 years unlike my petrol Skoda I had before that broke after 3
96% is great!! Best of luck!!
After just 46,000 miles and 4 1/2 years of ownership, last week Tesla service advised me against driving my car as the HV battery was about to fail. It is now at the service centre awaiting a replacement HV battery. Tesla provided a Loaner car (awful experience due to arguments/charges over existing damage). But my main concern is the potential poor standard of the replacement (refurbished) battery and the lack of extended warranty (as Daniel said, it will still be based on my car's age and total mileage). Tesla are saying the potential cost of a future out of warranty replacement, if it fails again is *GBP £20,000 (USD $25,000)!* and going up... More than the value of the car which, by the way, is dropping like a stone!
I am a huge EV fan and I believe your arguments against all the FUD surrounding them, and agree that this is a very real problem for a lot of EV owners who can't afford to switch to a new lease every few years, or want to buy second hand. I am now questioning the value of EVs. The batteries seem fairly unreliable more often than first thought, masked by a warranty process with is potentially a ticking time bomb as they are soooo expensive to replace.
When the HV battery fails under warranty and the warranty does NOT cover a new replacement battery the chance of receiving an unreliable replacement battery could be high because they are refurbished from a previously failed battery. There seems to be an increasing number of owners with such experiences, left with worthless cars at end of warranty (mostly model S to date).
Currently, I am concerned my car will become a worthless risk as soon as the warranty period is up. Why would anyone want to risk buying a second hand out of warranty EV with a risk of a battery failure leading to an instant write-off (totalled)?
I have been very careful with my charging habits since owning my car from new and diligently followed the 80/20 rule charging mostly at home.
I used to advocate EVs as better than ICE cars in every way, but more needs to be done surrounding HV battery repair for second hand/out of warranty owners. Currently it is almost impossible to find someone to repair them. I agree that ideally the warranty should cover a NEW replacement if the HV battery fails, rather than a refurb of a previously failed battery, for which the owner has no idea of previous use/mileage/charging practices. But I agree that this is uneconomic for the manufacturers. We (consumers) should encourage access to EV battery repair, rather than write offs, or affordable extended warranty/battery insurance options (if this is really as uncommon as they claim). It should be cost effective to insure against, currently it is not.
If you are still reading this and share my concerns, particularly if you are an EV supporter (like me) please give my comment a like/thumbs-up so more people can see that this could be a real issue to be addressed. Thanks!
I read that there’s a class action against Tesla for exaggerated range predictions on their vehicle software
No doubt Tesla, like any major company, is being sued left and right for one thing or another. As for the difference between real world range/efficiency and what Tesla advertises, I actually view that more of a problem with the federal government/EPA and bad law/regulations. Businesses, as you know, rarely go above and beyond legal requirements and the EPA allows Tesla to advertise the numbers that it does. It would be better if the ratings system were tightened up, and manufacturers had to provide a widget embedded on their websites where consumers could change different variables and see the impact on efficiency/range rather than companies marketing a single number out of context. The same should be done for internal combustion engine vehicles as well.
I'm with you with you when it comes to a clean car lol my model y 2023 windshield wipers stopped working on the highway talk about holy crap did it four times got a loner car it was dirty i clean the hell of it lol
Haha... clean cars are where it's at! I actually enjoy washing cars (heck, I quickly hand washed mine today after being caked in dust-mud spots last night from some heavy fog in San Francisco), but we customers really shouldn't receive a filthy car as a loaner. At some point, Tesla will need to step up into price-point-appropriate levels of service if they are to maintain their price points as EV competition increases. Good luck to us all!
I normally use the postal service or travel nurses vehicles as indicators of cars that will hold up. They aren't driving EVs that much. I see them driving more hybrids.
Hi, thanks for watching and sharing your opinion. Definitely, different people should buy whatever car, technology and fuel that works best for them. EVs are still quite new and still just 7% of all cars sold in the country, so they're going to be a small minority of cars on the market over all.
Also, for people who need ultra long range vehicles (perhaps like a travel nurse?) a hybrid would still be an excellent choice.
As for postal services, I'm not familiar of any postal type EVs on the market currently other than perhaps the single Rivian EV used by Amazon. The market for larger platform EVs is still quite small as EV sales are largely still sedans and small cross-overs. (That will start changing over the next 3+ years.)
That said, if a daily postal route ranges between 150-250 miles, EVs coming on the market in 2024-2026 will be an excellent choice especially for departments that can charge vehicles overnight on super cheap AC electricity.
What we'll see for the next 2 decades is a lot of different types of vehicles for a lot of different customers and their different needs. We're entering into a super cool era in the history of automobiles where customers will have LOTs of choice. Best of luck finding the best vehicle for you!
Hey there, this is Helen from Vicseed. I do really love your great content! May I know if you're interested in a model Y king of sun protection sunshade roof? I believe it will be your great assistant in this hot summer!
I have a 2022 Model Y long range. Battery went at 70,000km. Hopefully the new one pops at 140,000 so I can get a new one again 😊
Thanks for responding. It'll be good for all of us owners to start collecting and sharing our experiences so we can know what's what. My warranty repair was super convenient, so that's great. But… I think it's fair to say we have higher expectations than 70,000 km, eh!
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I currently owe 2016 cadillac escalade esv and spending 850$+ a month on gas. Really expensive. Thinking about getting model y performance but batteries scaring me cause i drive a lot of miles a year
Hey, thanks for reaching out. This is a very interesting topic.
As mentioned in the video, my battery degradation was extremely low so I actually wouldn’t be worried about that. Most people I’m seeing on any of the forums I’m on never really get below -10% capacity after a good number of years and miles, so I think you’ll be fine in that regard.
But sudden battery death? It’s just a wildcard that isn’t getting much coverage… and that might be for a couple reasons:
1) they’re not that common, and certainly not newsworthy given the sheer number of EVs & batteries being produced these days,
2) sudden battery deaths that occur within the 120,000mi warranty are proprietary data and car/battery manufacturers will NEVER reveal the failure rate because 2.1) “they” don’t want people to know, and 2.2) it kinda doesn’t matter since the batteries are repaired/refurbed/replaced under warranty so “the market shouldn’t care” (other than the inconvenience).
BUT… I’m on a million Tesla forums and sudden battery death is quite rare, especially within the 120,000mi warranty. And in all reality, ICEs also experience failures within warranty so conceptually a bum battery is no different than the likelihood of a bum ICE… it sucks when it happens, but if it’s within warranty then it’s ultimately not a mega problem… so… manufacturers will NEVER share that data.
Instead, consumers will only start getting this sort of data for out-of-warranty batteries once more and more of those hit the market in a couple years.
Because of all that… I’d say: sudden battery death *can* happen, as it happened to me (and others), but the rate appears to be on the smaller side and shouldn’t be any more a concern than being worried about a bum ICE.
And because of that final point, I’d say: if you’re interested in a Y should go ahead and buy one. In your case, I’d suggest that the bigger thing you should be aware of is that Tesla’s EPA efficiency/range numbers are quite a bit overrated for most drivers. I’ve don’t lots of long distance high speed highway driving and my average efficiency rate is 3.4mi/kWh. With a new 78kWh battery, that would work out to a real world range of 265mi on a 100% charge… and since most people use only 70% of their batteries on a daily/regular basis (changing up to 80% and driving down to 10% then recharging - especially if you’re out on the open highway)… so in real world conditions you’re looking at charging every 180 miles, and charging 70% of the 78kWh battery at a real world average charge rate of 110kW, that will take you 78kWh*0.70 = 55kWh/110kW = 0.5h or 30min per charge.
If you’re OK with that when you’re doing long distance driving then a Y would be totally fine with you.
And if you’re driving fewer than 180mi per day (but driving that frequently), then if you can charge at home on AC you’d charge up at night while you sleep and - like many EV owners - you’d almost never have to even use a publish DC charger and so the whole charging-time discussion because irrelevant.
Let me know if that makes sense, or if you have any questions!
One other thing: in terms of cost of fueling up with a Y and comparing that to your Cadillac, a good measure is cost per mile.
Looking up online I see that a 2016 Cadillac Escalade ESV gets an average of 17mpg. If you’re somewhere that gasoline costs around $4.50/gallon, that’d work out to $0.26/mi for gas.
Then when it comes to an EV, you’d calculate the same (although electricity varies more widely than gasoline).
Assuming an average real world efficiency of 3.4mi/kWh, which is what I get, cost per mile charging rates would be as follow:
$0.16/kWh = $0.05/mi (this is what I pay for AC electricity at my apartment complex)
$0.25/kWh = $0.07/mi (a common AC residential rate in CA)
$0.35/kWh = $0.10/mi (a common Supercharger DC rate)
$0.55/kWh = $0.16/mi (a common peak-daytime/evening Supercharger DC rate in more expensive states)
What you see here is that compared to a Cadillac SUV, it is ALWAYS cheaper to charge up a Y compared to filling up a Cadillac SUV. And when it comes to charging at home, it’s CRAZY CHEAPER to charge up a Y. The only time it’s about the same cost to fill up a Y or an ICE is if you’re comparing a Y to something like a Toyota Prius Hybrid in which case DC & gasoline cost about the same (but it’s still much cheaper to charge at home on AC).
Let me know if you have any questions about this as well.
@goingelectric7826 thank you for explaining a lot of information.i drive between 24k-35k miles a year and what scares me that after 120k warranty. Battery number 1 is expensive and number 2 is you can pay 9k$ - 20k$ for Battery and there warranty only for 1 year. Kim Java posted video with uber driver replaced battery at 125k miles and there only 1 year warranty
The refirb battery does not function as a new one. You can tell, because your warranty does not get reset. If it is so rare you should be treated really well when it comes to warranty.
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. Regarding warranty coverage, we do need to put this in context: ICE warranties also expire after which time the manufacturer does't cover repairs even on replacement/refurb parts. Tesla is no different in this regard. Also, out-of-warranty repaired/refurbed/replaced engines may come with a limited warranty by the seller, but they are usually minimal. Very technically, there is no reason the EV car market will be (or should be) any different. Over all I was extremely satisfied with my battery replacement warranty experience. It was relatively quick, convenient and best of all: it was free. If I had owned an ICE and needed an expensive repair at 64,000 miles, it's likely it would have been out of warranty by then and would have been quite expensive. This is something that owners of performance CUVs/SUVs know well after 50,000-60,000 miles.
We have paid out a large amount in repairs to our gas vehicle. I would think it's close to the price of a battery, but I'd have to do the math. Stats would be interesting.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. I have a feeling that'll more or less be the same with EVs. Different technologies, different issues, but still not particularly cheap to own or operate long term, just like an ICE. From a consumer's point of view that isn't so great, but I think from a big picture national security and energy/economic security point of view, the improvements from getting the United States (at least) off imported oil and then reducing our domestic oil consumption will be extremely beneficial. Now let's just demand that we consumers also get a share of some of those cost benefits along the way! :)
We are finding ev cars are needing a lot more maintenance repairs that originally thought,from suspension parts, tires ,heat pump issues ,battery issues,to name a few,
@@gregstewart8654 I would love to see your data on comparisons between internal combustion engine and battery electric vehicles to learn more about that.
If you get a scanner app it will tell you the total and usable kws of your battery.
Hello. Thanks for reaching out! It's true, I could use third-party apps for things like that, but I frankly don't understand or trust their user data privacy policies and therefore I refuse to give such apps access to my car's data. God only knows what they're pulling from my car, where it's stored in the world and it's used. No thanks. 😃
I just caught a video where the guy was on his third battery pack where the second one was refurbished. How do you know Tesla isn’t putting these refurbished packs in new cars from day one?
As you know, asking people to disprove a negative argument is irrational.
However, if you have evidence that Tesla is assembling new vehicles with refurbed packs, please use the comments section here to present your evidence. I'd be very interested to look at it.
@@goingelectric7826 Hopefully someone from Tesla can answer that.
@@kevinl3235If you make a claim, you should at least provide evidence to support the claim. As you know, asking someone to prove a negative is silly.
“This vehicle was built with a battery pack manufactured as early as 2017. While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built, the cells have reduced capacity due to their age and you can expect up to 12% reduction in range from current production specifications.”
“This vehicle was built with a battery pack manufactured as early as 2017. While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built, the cells have reduced capacity due to their age and you can expect up to 12% reduction in range from current production specifications.”
Welcome back!
It's great to be back! 😃
@@goingelectric7826 I really enjoyed your adventures. After many 500 mile trips, we just headed out today on our first long trip. Central Florida to North Dakota. First day of FSD, too. It’s good to see that you’re doing well. Hopefully you can add an occasional adventure. Cheers!
@@TheGOF Congrats on doing your first super long road trip! As you know, Tesla makes it about as easy as it can possibly be. You'll have a great time!
I’m just a curious “gas hog” driving a V8 enjoying this from the sideline. Thxs
Thanks for watching and reaching out! Each car customer should drive whatever powertrain works best for them and their needs: battery electric, ICE, hybrid ICE, CNG, hydrogen fuel cell, or anything else that hits the market. Best of luck driving the car that works best for you!
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Regarding what one should drive? I couldn’t agree more. Everyone should be looking for what works for them and the planet.
It all sounds like a pain in the neck. What will happen once the warranty period expires. Sounds like a costly inconvenience. Between higher insurance cost, tires, charging on the go. My question is how much are you really saving. I have a feeling its going to be more than a fuel car on the back end.. Keep those ev's. I will stick with an economical gas car. It's a lot less hassle.
Thanks for watching, and for submitting your opinions. Definitely there are some uncertainties that the market is going to have to figure out before the issues you brought up can be answered conclusively.
As mentioned in the video, we just don't know what battery longevity looks like or out-of-warranty costs because the drivetrain & battery warranty is 120,000 miles (more than twice the typical ICE powertrain) and manufacturers don't seem to be publishing repair/refurb/replacement data for in-warranty costs in-house.
However, a couple things work in the favor of declining costs longer term:
1) significant declines in kWh battery costs decade on decade,
2) scaling up manufacturing which is reducing battery costs which also reduces repair/refurb/replacement costs, and
3) 3rd party battery repair shops becoming more numerous and skilled at repairing/refurbing/repairing EV batteries which will result in lower repair costs.
Lastly, as recycling & re-purposing supply chains continue to be ramped up, it's likely that batteries deemed unfit for automotive usage will still have thousands of dollars of residual value either for repurposing or materials sourcing.
But no doubt, there are certainly some risks. In my case, even if I needed a full $8,000-$13,000 battery replacement the day my battery warranty expired at 120,000 miles, fuel and maintenance savings over the previous 119,000 miles would more or less be a wash. Neither higher nor lower than an ICE.
But even if that were the case, the benefit to the country would be: massive increases in transportation fuel economy, ending foreign oil imports into the US, ramping up local American energy production for EVs, jobs for electrical infrastructure build-out, and re-industrialization of the American economy as we ramp up and establish battery mineral mining & refining, high value battery component supply chains, and domestic assembly here at home.
In the meantime, if you feel uncomfortable taking a risk with an EV purchase, I'd encourage you to stick with hybrid ICEs until the data provide you the security and predictability you need.
Good luck!
Probably, extensive supercharging killed the battery
Thanks for watching and reaching out. I certainly wonder about that myself. 292nd Supercharge and then death! 🤷🏻♂️ It'll be interesting to see how robust these batteries end up being with DC charging. If EVs are actually going to ever take over, batteries are going to have to handle repeated DC charging for those of us without at-home charging options. I'll bet that at least 2/3rds of the U.S. consumers won't have at-home AC options by 2040 which means a whole lot of consumers are going to need robust batteries that can handle exclusive DC charging, ESPECIALLY large SUVs & heavy duty trucks with 200-400kWh batteries that will never be chargeable on home electricity because the power needs will simply outstrip anything 240V home AC can handle. Fingers crossed that battery DC charging longevity advances rapidly, otherwise will end up with maybe just 40% of all our vehicles being EVs in the U.S. and the rest sticking with some form of an ICE (hybrid, plug-in, etc.). Best of luck to us all!
Tesla 4680 impossible to fix so buy with LFP modules instead Tesla made a big mistake with un severisable battery
It'll definitely be interesting to see how that shakes out. If it turns out the battery's lifespan matches or exceeds the vehicle itself, then it's kind of a moot point, but if not, then owners are gonna be in a world of hurt for out-of-warranty repairs. And if failure rates are high in-warranty, then that's going to hit Tesla especially hard. Fingers crossed for long lifespans for 4680!
Thanks for the video. I am contemplating getting a model Y...but So many limitations with these EV / You got to charge it to 80 / 85% , you should not drain the battery too much (until 20 / 15%) then you end up having only 200 miles +/-.... Electric cars are optimum for certain population. Hopefully the more we advance, the more the technology becomes cheaper and mainstream, and obvious to use.
On another hand, I feel that NIO model with the battery swapping ...makes more sense, but not sure if it is financially viable for NIO.
Thanks for watching the video! 🙏 Because energy densities and battery capacities are still on the lower side compared to a tank filled with gasoline, EVs are not the right choice for every single consumer today. Some would better be served by a hybrid ICE. But at the same time, more and more consumers are finding that EV technology do fit their needs. So it will be different for different consumers until the technology advances over the next decade or two to essentially displace internal combustion engine vehicles completely. Personally, I would love to have a 100-115 kWh battery in a future Model Y which would give us a real world range of 340-391mi on a 100% charge and 272-312mi on an 80% discharge cycle which os the max that I ever want to drive long distance without taking a longer meal/bathroom break (which you just charge during). The current range I get works well enough for me for a Gen 1 EV, but I do look forward to 50% to 100% higher energy capacities by the next decade.
As for battery swaps: I don't think they will ever be economically practical except maybe for a couple super niche applications. Already some people claim we don't have enough materials to build all the EV batteries were going to need (false), but if we were reliant on battery swaps then we would have to produce even more batteries for the same number of vehicles. Swapping would also require standardization of battery design which is simply never going to happen and would hamper battery design innovation between battery and car manufacturers. Lastly, you know how it is: the more moving parts, the more where Ontario you get, and the more likely things are to break. Given the cost of batteries, I frankly don't want to do anything that will advance wear and tear. And I certainly don't wanna have to lease my battery from a company instead of own it. There might be a couple applications in business where that would make sense but I don't think it's ever going to be a thing for the individual consumer market. Thanks again for watching and reaching out!
Less than 200 miles and 3 hrs and potentially a dead cell out of town with my new 2023 model y performance
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Also thanks for sharing your experience. It will be interesting to see what the overall failure rate is on Tesla batteries and what the primary causes are. Just like internal combustion engine vehicles, when you manufacture at scale you are going to have a certain number of defects per million produced, and EV batteries will be no different. However, without any real repair/refurb/replacement markets existing for batteries yet, we consumers are definitely in the dark with what awaits us with out-of-warranty battery issues. How was your repair/replacement experience?
After the battery dies, you are the proud owner of a TESLA PAPER WEGHT!
Lawn sculpture.
Actually, I got it replaced for free under the 120,000mi battery warranty.
The same with performance ice car If engine goes out. Then you in for 30-60k repair 😅😂 + all the expensive maintenance that comes with it. Look up M5/AMG/Porsche repair bills,😅
The 2.8L engine n my 1999 Dodge Caravan went 1,235,000 Km and was still running when I scrappedit@@mareksv1947
EV cars have not been around that long, so it is not surprising things are coming out about some batteries failing. Of course ICE driving skeptics will be quick to declare EV cars are failures, gleefully ignoring the long history of ICE disaster like the Pinto, the Chevy Cruze steering wheels falling off etc. Kim Java channel had a uber driver whose pack kept going bad. Is lfp the answer? Sodium ion? I don't know.
Since I work on my own cars, I am still driving gas. If I didn't fix my own stuff, the labor would have me walking. Folks talk about Tesla fit and finish but I could fill a book on crap quality ICE manufacturers put out. We are still in early days and you are on the bleeding edge on the tech. Recall the first ICE cars didn't even have starters, they had to be cranked by hand which sometimes resulted in broken arms. Thanks for sharing.
You are correct. That's why I take a lot of this in stride. We are still in Generation 1 of mass market EVs and so there's going to be some growing pains along the way while kinks are worked through the technology. I'm fully on board ESPECIALLY if manufactures deliver excellent service as part of this Gen 1 experience. As for batteries, I predict EV battery warranties will need to be boosted from 120,000mi up to 180,000mi for the mass market to feel comfortable buying in. 120,000mi is just a couple of years away for me and an $8,000-$13,000 full battery replacement is definitely a concern if robust and effective battery cell/module repairs/refurbs aren't up and running by 2026+. We shall see! And thanks for watching!
Its uncommon to have a battery pack die like that. Plenty of vehicles I see are well pver 100k miles, i am currently at 70k with minimal range loss.
Thanks for reaching out. That is certainly good news in your case. My sense is that most batteries are experiencing pretty good longevity. As mentioned, my battery degradation was phenomenal up until the week that it died. My secret hope is that the this refurbed battery pack croaks again at 119,000 miles so I can get another refurbished pack and hopefully make it another 60,000 miles beyond that, rather than having it croak just after 120,000 miles and the warranty expiring. Fingers crossed! (That all said, my repair experience under warranty was great so no complaints there.)
Just jump-start it. Everyone has jumper cables!!!
I just might try that next time!!! 🤣 Thanks for watching and reaching out!
It's called a "claw back." You could potentially save money with an EV by charging at home with special electricity plans. As a result of those marginal gas savings, you are going to have to pay way more for the car, the tires are going to cost 4 times as much over the ownership, insurance will cost more because EV's are more expensive to fix, especially when the battery pack is damaged in a wreck, and then Tesla is going to have to charge you $10-20K every 10 years for a battery out of warranty, and you'll probably get hit with $6K drive unit failure every now and then, and everything else that breaks on a Tesla. Oh, and depreciation will crush your spine like a dried up leaf. But hey, you saved some money on gas.
That is what happens when i take my Cadillac for service.
Better service all around would definitely be nice!
100,000 km on my 2014 leaf - cells from a decade ago :)
That's excellent! From the math, it looks like you average around 10,000mi a year and don't DC fast charge regularly? In my case, I average about 23,000mi/year and have DC fast charged over 320 times in the 125-250kW range. I've driven my car & DC fast charged in blazing hot temperatures and sub-0 frigid temps, and every other scenario in between all across the US & Canada. Leaf is a great car, and I imagine if I rarely or never put my Y through such robust demands -- and being low mileage, charging primarily on slow AC and had been kinder to the battery -- it's highly possible my battery would have lasted longer. I suppose we'll find out more data on all this once Y batteries start coming out of warranty by the millions. Thanks for watching!
My 2019 model 3 standard range HV battery just went out at 70k miles. Just dropped it off at the service center for warranty replacement. Let's see how it goes
Thanks for watching and best of luck! I was generally quite happy with my service experience. Hopefully yours goes as quickly as mine did. Keep us updated!
I keep seeing TH-camrs reporting these failures... Concerning
Thanks for watching and reaching out. We should be aware of confirmation bias and the fact that people who are not experiencing battery problems are 100% certain not to make videos about battery failures.
So...
...we would really need to run an analysis comparing the number of EV owners who actually produce YiuTube videos about EVs, and then determine what percentage of those people eventually make videos about a battery failure.
That is, if we are going to use TH-cam videos as our point of reference.
In practice, I think Tesla would do consumers a favor if it started publishing some of the data on this so that consumers could get ahead of it and the free market could do some better pricing as we ramp up this whole industry.
Of course, that's not actually ever going to happen, so we will only ever really know the true failure rate of batteries only after they reach 120,000 miles, are out of warranty, and third-party repair shops start dealing with them en masse. We should probably touch base again then!
@@goingelectric7826 Yes it is odd Tesla doesn't publish this. As a 2013 former model s owner, who's battery was replaced, I was thinking the new cars were pretty bullet proof. But, like you, I'm concerned about out of warranty failures. The narrative regarding the battery life from Elon, doesn't seem to match what tmc posters and TH-camrs with high mileage are saying. Keep in mind I'm saying this as a huge Tesla fan and current model y owner.
@@hpartschI think it’s fair to say that consumers shouldn’t rely 100% on the claims made by CEOs when making their purchasing decisions. Instead, we consumers should share our own experiences, do a little research, weight the available data and then make well informed decisions on how to spend our hard earned cash. That would apple for EVs, ICEs, computers, heavy equipment and everything else.
Just sell the car at 100k miles, and get a new one. And do that for every EV you own. That way you avoid paying for the high voltage battery out of warranty.
Thanks for watching and reaching out! That is definitely an option. Fortunately my battery and drivetrain warranty are 120,000mi so I still have another 45,000mi to go (about 2 years given my driving). And definitely, ICEs out of warranty also come with significant risks and diminished resale value. Likely EVs will depreciate even more so until the market can get some good data on battery longevity either per manufacturer, model, SKU, etc. I will be in the market for a new car in the 2026 timeframe so that may work out well. If Model Y gets an upgrade similar to what Model 3 recently received, it's likely I'd stick with Y.
What's this I see all time on these videos about EVs that takes weeks to get an appointment to have it looked at? That's crazy.
Hi, thanks for watching and reach out. The funny thing is that despite the estimated time for appointment availability, as mentioned in the video, I was able to drive to my service center and they fit me in. EV batteries are significant components so it makes sense that it takes at least a couple days to source replacements. God knows ICE engine repairs don't always happen overnight either.
As for Tesla: they're a new company massively ramping up production, and like any company that drastically scales sales, service & support always get hammered on the backend. I do have a bit of empathy with the Service & Support teams who are on the front lines of all sorts of craziness.
Hopefully Tesla can get ahead of it as quickly as possible, which will allow to EV future to launch even faster than it currently is.
By the way Good to see you!
Great to hear from you as well. I hadn't posted in a year and a half and TH-cam was going to end my channel monetization if I didn't post something by today! Haha
i wait for 2 years to get the new type battery
Thanks for watching and reaching out. It'll definitely be interesting to see how soon different batteries hit the market. Two years seems like a reasonable amount of time to wait.
Ok, so after 100000 km its russian roulette. It can be 95% for years, or it can degrade to scrap metal in a week.
Thanks for your input.
Thanks for watching the video and reaching out. I suppose at the end of the day it's not that much different from internal combustion engines. Some of them last a long time, but some of them don't. The good news with my Tesla is that the drivetrain and battery warranties are 120,000 miles (193,000km) which is twice as long as most powertrain warranties for similarly performing cars from other ICE manufacturers. Because of that, my repair experience was relatively quick, convenient enough, and free.
But consumers in the used electric vehicle market with out-of-warranty batteries are going to need a lot more third-party repair shop data to properly price the value of such vehicles before the free market can work some of its magic.
Because of that risk and unpredictability - and until we get that data - the used EV resale market is going to be quite harsh on sellers and quite beneficial to buyers.
Thanks for the video. Confirms that I will never buy a EV.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your feedback. If you had watched the whole video, you would see that the battery comes with a 120,000 mile warranty which is more than twice the warranty that comes with most internal combustion engine vehicles for powertrain. The repair was relatively quick, convenient and free so I really don't have many complaints. Certainly Tesla can improve the minutia of its service offering, and I do look forward to battery electric vehicles uniformly having batteries with greater longevity even in those few cases of batteries that do go bad, but overall the ownership experience for my battery electric vehicle has been vastly superior to anything I ever had with an ICE. That all said: my advice to anyone looking to buy a car is that they should buy the exact vehicle that is right for them and their needs. If an electric vehicle does not meet your needs, you should not buy one. As for myself: I will never buy an internal combustion engine powered by filthy, expensive and dangerous globalist Big Oil gasoline or diesel ever again.
wait till they have sulfur aluminum battery.
I look forward to every battery innovation that comes out over the upcoming decades. Thanks for watching!
Of note most OEM do not tell their customers how long their engines are expected to last. Just sayin
That's for sure. I think the key difference is that ICE consumers (and repair shops) have decades of generally reliable data to make reasonable projects on engine longevity, whereas the market is still gathering all that EV data at the moment with very little out-of-warranty information to work with. By the early 2030s we'll have enough batteries (and electric motors) out of warranty to start putting any uncertainty to rest, and then we consumers can move on. Also, there should be a much more robust 3rd party battery repair industry functioning by then driving down repair costs as well. Thanks for watching!
1:25 ~ It's actually noted in science books.
It definitely is!
High use of those"super " charges will shorten the life of any EV battery also the refurbished second hand batteries will not last as long as a new one best of luck
We shall see! But it's definitely an interesting issue that's going to have to be addressed sooner or later by EV manufacturers if they plan to go beyond 40+% market penetration. If the batteries can't handle intense DC charging then either the EV market will end up MUCH smaller than many people think OR battery warranties will need to be increased from 120,000mi up to 180,000mi so people feel comfortable buying used EVs. Otherwise the effective resale price of an EV at 100,000 to 120,000mi will drop down to $0 if the risk of an $8,000-$13,000 battery replacement looks probable.
@@goingelectric7826 the power grids of the world will never be able to supply enough electricity
Google: Tesla superchargers powered by diesel generators. Talk about next-level idiocy.
@@goingelectric7826 exactly
@@pauldavies6037Of course the grids will be be able to handle all the energy needed for EVs, and producers will be able to deliver it. The US, for example, has tripled our electrical production since the 1950s. Improvements in energy consumption across our economy as well as switching a large portion of our vehicles over to EVs will only require an additional 40-50% more electricity than we currently produce (which will result in a massive reduction in coal & petroleum production). If we were able to triple our electricity production over the past 70 years, there’s absolutely no reason we can’t increase a production by 30% over the next 40-50. Once this switch over is largely complete by the 2070s, literally no-one will remember what the fuss was all about.
So far 2 u tubers have had batteries go out and I only subscribe to 4 or5 .
It'll be interesting to see how common this is, eh.
What is it when service centers give you a loaner they can't keep them clean. I guess they drive them when a customer doesn't have them... I have gotten quite a few loaners and I believe all of them have been dirty...
Y LR has an 80kWh gross pack!
Hi! It's interesting that you mention that. There seems to be a good amount of debate on the topic. As best I've read, Model Y LR pre-March 2021 had a 75kWh gross pack, and in my case, I only ever had a max usable capacity of 72kWh. Then, it appears that after March 2021 the gross pack was increased to 82kWh (there's A LOT of debate about that number); so it may well be 80kWh as you mentioned. Apparently it's listed on the pack itself (or used to be) but I've never actually seen my or anyone else's battery (nor have they, apparently). Despite the gross number, it appears that new packs are limited to around 78kWh... although there's debate about that as well. And I've read other things saying late 2023 MYLR gross pack ratings are even less than 80kWh. In any case, I have not personally seen anyone share 5/15/30mi screenshots + % SoC that resulted in a calculation of 80kWh usable capacity, soooooooooo... the debate continues. But yes, you might well be correct! :)
@@goingelectric7826 honestly it’s so confusing , pretty sure internally there is like 8 different packs that have been used in model Y which makes things even more complicated 😂
Get a gas car or a bicycle.
I used to drive gasoline powered vehicles. But I much prefer my electric vehicle. Better performance AND it cost just $1/gallon of AC electrons whereas gasoline is $4.50 around the corner. The good thing these days is that consumers finally have real choice in drivetrain technology and the energy that powers their vehicle for the first time in over 100 years. This is good for consumers. Some consumers will choose electric vehicles, others will choose internal combustion engines, and others will choose hybrids or some other option. Choice is good. Thanks for watching!
I get the feeling that nothing will please you. Despite the excellent service and the time they saved you by taking the car early and giving it back to you repaired a week early, you still have petty insignificant complaints about service..
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. I actually think the opposite is true: I mentioned that the repair was relatively quick, convenient and covered under warranty. All
happy there. That said, my vehicle should not be left unlocked especially here in the Bay Area, and Tesla should also not be handing out dirty loaner cars to customers. These aren't complaints, but rather pointing out levels of service which Tesla will have to address if it plans on maintaining its current EV sales lead toward the latter of the decade as greater competition hits the market once manufacturers all switch over to NACS. Sooner or later, higher-end price points will require higher end service especially once battery electric drivetrains are no longer the key differentiator. I like my Tesla, and it's highly likely that I'll buy another one sometime around 2026, but the finer points of service will definitely need to improve. Thanks again for watching and I appreciate your feedback.
There is a reason we in Europe don`t buy American cars. Ever!
I'm just curious: do European internal combustion engines ever break down? Do European electric vehicle batteries ever require repairs/refers/replacement?
It`s not about if they break down, but at what rate. We don`t buy Italian cars either. They are as reliable as American ones.@@goingelectric7826
You need a hybrid
Thanks for watching! I'll stick with EVs moving forward, but definitely, each consumer should buy whatever is right for their needs. Some people do great with EVs and other with ICEs & hybrids.
'It was dirty when I picked it up (the loaner car)". -Dude, you whine more than a baby with an empty bottle..
Hey, thanks for watching and reaching out. No, not whining. But Tesla does need to make sure their loaner cars aren't filthy when customers pick 'em up. We give Tesla lots of money for our cars as ***WE*** pay for the transition to electric transportation, and in return Tesla simply has an obligation to provide basic levels of respect to their customers during repairs. Because I'm a nice guy, you'll notice that I didn't even complain about the $10 for the coin-op car wash + vacuuming I did myself to get the car to respectable. If Tesla wants to compete with the best, this is a kind and wise suggestion that they should consider implementing. It's the little things that make all the difference in the world.
According to my scientific math calculations I conclude Evs still dont do anything better for day to day practical use than gas cars and lithuim batteries still suck. I wonder if a honda civic could have done that trip with zero problems whatsoever and still not need a giant battery replacement and drive on for another 20 years.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. My advice to you and everyone else is: by the vehicle and technology that works best for your needs. Having owned ICEs throughout my own life, they definitely do breakdown as well and repairs can be expensive. If you watched the video, you would see that my battery replacement was relatively quick, convenient and cost me exactly $0.00 under warranty. Moreover, the battery warranty is 120,000 miles which is twice as good as most warranties for ICEs. Again though: if this isn't the sort of technology or experience you're looking for, and you don't want to save drastic amounts of money on filling up your car, then you should definitely stick with an internal combustion engine vehicle. Each person should do what is right for themselves.
@@goingelectric7826 Want to save money buy a 25k brand new Honda Civic Hatch sport drive it for 20 years and never pay for an overpriced Ev and battery again. Good luck on the next battery.
@@goingelectric7826 Secondly TH-camr tech bro experts need to stop calling EVs new TECHNOLOGY they were invented in the 1800s and have continously proved to be inferrior to ICE. The battery was and still is a massive weak spot. They have been attempted many times. The only reason they exsist today is our communist government subsidizing them by the billions. Lithum powered EVs are a joke period.
You have sold me on Tesla, thank you for a real-world account. ownership. Machines quit expected.
Thanks for watching and reaching out. Yep, machines do breakdown... and it's the support companies offer that makes or breaks the experience. In this case, I was satisfied with Tesla's support. Best of luck!
Hey handsome, really miss you
Great to be back!
I'm waiting for nio
There's all sorts of good competition coming to the market over the next couple years especially now that everyone is switching over to NACS in North America. Competition is excellent for consumers, and it'll be great to see how Tesla responds. As for Sudden Battery Death, it'll also be interesting to see what the rates are for other manufacturers... and that's something they're likely not sharing either.
Good luck 😂
Thanks! :)
Nice video. You're honest but still there is a problem with this type of vehicle beautiful as it is, and exciting as it is to drive. I have heard of such problems before. These cars need to last up to 20 years to avoid them from piling up in junk yards with beautiful intact bodies.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your opinions. It's important to realize that an electric vehicle is essentially like any other car except that the powertrain is different. The rest of the vehicle can be easily recycled and reprocessed at the end of its life just like any other car.
Also, electric motors and internal combustion engines are conceptionally very similar and easy to recycle, with the advantage that the electric motor is simply much smaller than easier to handle at the end of its life.
An electric vehicle battery is certainly a large component that will need to be dealt with separately as more and more of these vehicles get on the road, but the good news is that much of it is comprised of easily recyclable metals, as well as a small amount of highly valuable minerals/metals which are sought after on the metals trading and recycling markets.
At this moment, billions of dollars of are being invested in battery extraction, deconstruction and recycling processes and facilities, and we will see more and more of that as EV production ramps up over the next two decades.
But yes, in my case I had a defective battery at 64,000 miles and that is something to think about.
Likewise, internal combustion engines can and do occasionally become defective early in their life as well and that also requires interventions, repairs, rebuilds and replacements.
There's no reason to think electric vehicles will be any different.
However, the good news with EV batteries is that it's rare that the entire pack dies. Instead, usually what happens is one or several modules within the pack become defective, those are identified and replaced with new/repaired modules rather than needing an entirely new battery pack.
The details of battery repairs, rebuilds and replacement are far more nuanced and less dramatic than many people seem to believe.
I think he is talking about the 12volt battery not tge battery pack. Your battery in your gasoline engine car has a 12volt battery too that needs changing every 4-5 years
Nobody forced u to buy that crappy electric car when gas engine cars have proven to last and never have major issues just look at the driver who put 1 million miles on his tundra 2007 model and I also love my Kia 2008 with 274k with mostly original parts and only 14,250 dollars in 2008 and no ev can say that
Hi, thanks for watching and reaching out. Yep, no-one forced me to buy my EV. I gladly bought it in 2020 with exactly $0.00 in tax credits or subsidies. And I'd do it again. I'll also replace this EV one day with another EV since I will *NEVER* go back to owning an ICE. My 120,000mi battery and powertrain warranty is significantly better than the 50,000-60,000mi powertrain warranties offered on most similarly sized/powerful CUVs & SUVs. Sure, I'd love my vehicle's major components to last forever, but if you watched the whole video, you'd see that my repair was relatively quick, convenient and cost me $0.00 at 64,000mi. and will continue to cost me nothing at least until I cross 120,000mi, which is respectable.