Tesla's Hidden Battery Options: Don’t Pick the WRONG One!
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2022 is the first time ever that Tesla is putting 3 different batteries in their vehicles, and it’s important to know the difference.
Tesla’s 1st battery option: Nickel Cobalt Aluminum (NCA). Nearly a decade ago, Tesla began utilizing battery cells called “the 18650” which were manufactured by Panasonic for the Model S and Model X and they are still equipped with these battery cells to this day, with a single vehicle battery pack containing thousands of these cells. A few years later in 2017 with the launch of the Model 3, Tesla and Panasonic developed a new and improved type of battery cell called “the 2170”, which can store a lot more energy than its predecessor. According to Elon Musk at the time, it was the highest energy density cell in the world and the cheapest. The 2170 cell is around 50% larger by volume than the 18650, but it can deliver almost double the current. The 2170 battery cell is currently what’s used in all of the dual motor variants of the Model 3 & Model Y. Currently the Model S, Model X, and dual motor variants of Model 3 and Model Y are all powered by NCA batteries.
Tesla’s 2nd battery option: Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP). The first Teslas with these batteries were the vehicles made in China, but they have now made their way to Europe and the US. Currently Tesla says they’re putting LFP batteries in all single motor models which are now simply called Rear Wheel Drive on Tesla’s website, and right now there is only one vehicle in the US that comes in a Rear wheel drive option - the base Model 3. These new rear wheel drive models started shipping in late 2021. But there’s a new secret Model Y that could be coming soon which may have an LFP battery so stick around to the end of the video to find out more on that. To check if your Tesla has an LFP Battery, open the charging menu on the touchscreen and go to Set Limit. If the battery image displays "50%" and "100%" then your vehicle has an LFP Battery. If the battery image displays "Daily" and "Trip" then your vehicle is not equipped with an LFP Battery.
Tesla’s 3rd battery option: 4680 Tabless cell which was announced in 2020 at Tesla’s Battery Day event. This new battery is expected to change the future of electric cars by massively scaling battery production and producing bigger cells that cost less. This new battery will have simpler manufacturing and fewer parts with 5x energy, 16% more range, 6x power, and faster Supercharging. These batteries also come with a brand new vehicle architecture that starts with single piece castings of high pressure die cast aluminum for the front and rear. These new structural batteries are Tesla’s first ever dual-use battery - used as an energy device and as a structure to the car. These structural batteries improve mass and range. Tesla’s factory in Austin, Texas will serve as the main hub for producing these new 4680 batteries and the new structural vehicles - of which, the Model Y will be the first to get these features.
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LFP doesn’t have memory, but it needs to be calibrated often to 100% because the voltage at 100% vs at 0% is basically the same. With other cells the voltage varies and that’s how you measure capacity remaining. When voltage doesn’t change, you don’t know the max or min capacity that accurately so charging to 100% often, at least once a week according to tesla keeps the BMS calibrated so the car doesn’t shut down unexpectedly.
Exactly. You "calibrate" the BMS, not the battery. 100% charging is not good for any battery regardless of chemistry. At least for now.
If the charged voltage and the discharged voltage was the same then it would never go flat ! I'm being a smart ass, I get your point. Also the on the charging of the LIP battery, Tesla state that the battery likes to be plugged in all the time. Always charge to 100%. I agree that this does not sound write but who would argue against Tesla..
Its quite possible that 100% is not actually at cell maximum anyway. A bit like saying the 18650 is 100% charged at 4.10v and not the specified 4.20v
@@marcusbiller867 not really. LFP cells can last 2-4x longer than nickel cells even if LFP is charged to 100%. If you look at the charge cycle data for LFP, there’s basically no difference between charging to 0-80 or 0-90 or 0-100 for longevity. For nickel cathode cells this matters a lot and it’s better to keep charge limit at 80% or lower.
sorry chaps but you are generally wrong. lfp should be fully charged once a week. because the individual cells can only be ballancrd at the higher voltages. no memory effect. The BMS will turn off the battery if individual cells get to low. So because they can only be balanced at high voltages they need to be fully charged once a week else the cells will get out of balance. Of course this is possible because they have lower cell voltages and do not degrade at full charge.
Harsimran Bansal. How is the LFP calibrated?
Hey Andy, I watch dozens of Tesla videos each week, and this is the first video where I’ve seen somebody try to comprehensively describe all of the different battery technologies that go into different Tesla vehicles. Even some of the best Tesla TH-camrs gloss over these types of distinctions, especially regarding the LFP batteries. Well done. This is one of the many reasons that we subscribe to your channel.
Most of the things, if not almost all of it, is wrong though, so you learned nothing. He is very bad with the technical part of these things.
Especially when he days LFPs have memory to simply plug in his sponsor. You as a viewer actually got dumber by that sentence alone...
Andy - no one has explained this so comprehensive and so clear than you have. Great job and thank you!
Thanks for your video. We just got our Model 3 and received a text from Tesla asking me to charge to 100% at least once a week. I must say I was intrigued by the text as I was under the impression that charging like that would degrade battery life. Your presentation explains a lot!
My Australian LFP SR+ doesn’t exhibit less than normal retardation @100% SOC. And I can sleep well at night. We did 457 km on a return trip in mild weather this week and had 5% left over.
LFP for me !
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Yeah, without the cold weather concerns, EVs for Aus make even more sense (try telling boguns that though)
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You are the best of what you do. Lots of info I couldn't get elsewhere. Keep up the good work.
Best explanation I have seen. Good work.
I am on the same boat as you. Had initial delivered August then moved to May and now back to Aug-Oct. FSD on order.
I have the 2022 RWD LFP 60KW and it’s very impressive I’m getting 275 miles plus. Even on short trips here in the still chilly UK I’m often getting under 200wh. Since my last charge it’s averaged 223. Astonishing really. It’s a 300 mile car I suspect in warmer climate and careful acceleration and limiting to 65mph.
Hi Andy. You missed to mention NCMA LG Chem batteries which Tesla is using on their 2021 3/Y Long Range models (at least the ones delivered in Europe). There are pluses and minuses but the NCMA has way less cobalt content compared with the Panasonic NCA and lower degradation (at least they claim so). Having said that, NCMA seem to be a good balance between NCA and LFP. Charging speed on NCMA was also somewhat lower (I have one of the first released models, made in US and received in December 2020) comparing with NCA but as of December 2021 they boost the speed on the LG pack so the gap is smaller now.
Everybody expects indeed the 4680 cells soon and will be interesting to see how will Tesla introduce them to the market.
Thanks for your good coverage of Tesla. Great to see someone in Kentucky working at this level.
never imagined the lead acid storage battery when pushed aside would start a race in technology that is so fascinating and will change our lives so thoroughly. thanks for your report
This was super helpful. Thank you
Glad I subbed to this channel because I'm seriously considering buying a Model 3 for myself and this was useful information!
Thanks for the information ~
Great video! Lots of useful info.
I think there will be dual motors using lfp 4680 as well. My guess is they limited lfp 2170s to single motors because of it's discharge limitations but the 4680 will not have the same limitations. Lfp 4680 will probably be in every model and trim in the future until the next innovation.
Thank you so much for this video!
Very well explained Thanks
Thank you for presenting facts and information on Tesla, not the usual hype and fanboy videos we see from other channels.
My guess about the new Model Y on the EPA list is as follows. The new Y is a SR+ from Fremont with less 2170 cells. This will allow Tesla to continue using Fremont for Model Y but give a price diff to the 4860 from Austin. With luck the Austin Model Y with 4680s will be a little lighter then the current long range and have a bit more range as well. Excited to see what happens at any rate.
I plan to delay mine also. Thank you for keeping us posted...
As someone who owns a P85+ for almost a year, this is some deep information. Thanks.
Good video. Thanks.
I'm thinking 279 mile Model Y is LFP chemistry in a structural pack (perhaps with BYD blade battery). My guess is they are also doing the 4680 out of Austin as well which will be the other one submitted to EPA but not yet released. My guess as well would be both of these are other variants of Model Y so delaying your order will not help... but perhaps you can have your order changed to the new variant. Very soon we will see the website updated if I am correct.
Thanks for this. I test drove a M3 LR yesterday and asked the rep about the rear wheel drive and if it would have the LFP battery. He had to call someone to find out. The answer was yes and to his credit he found out for me.
Its ability to charge at 100% makes it equivalent to a 300 mi battery car
@@BRBallin1 Yep that’s why I’m considering it.
Thank you Andy for a great review! I ordered a SR+ M3 last year set to be delivered this month of March buy Tesla move the delivery date to June! Does this mean I will get a 2022 M3 with LFP battery?
Hi Andy, great video. Thank you. If my delivery date is end of May (changed from Aug-Sept yesterday), how do I know whether my Y LR has 4680 battery or not? I agree with you if I can delay my delivery so that I can get the first 4680 batter, i would like to do that as well. How do I delay my delivery?? Any suggestions? Thank you Andy.
Hi Andy,
Many thanks for a really informative video.
I too have a Model Y Long Range on order that is due in September. I haven't seen any confirmation on whether Tesla has shipped any of these from Austin and whether they are equipped with 4680 batteries. Hope to hear something from Tesla to confirm that they are currently producing Model Y LR from Austin with the 4680 batteries. Please give us an update if you get any reliable information fron Tesla on this subject, not guesses.
Thank you!! Very informative & interesting! I don't want the Cybertruck, I NEED the CYBERTRUCK. Lol. So I wonder if they will carry the new 4680s since it has the option of 1,2, & 3 motors? I subscribed!
Hi Andy where did you get that magnet phone mount for the M3?
Good luck on deferring your delivery. They kept changing my Model Y delivery and eventually wanted to deliver it in late December. I got them to defer to 2/1/22 but in mid January they said if I did not put myself back in line by January 27 they would refund my deposit. I ended up with a delivery of 2/10/22. Maybe due to your status with Tesla you will get preferential treatment but they were not accommodating to me. I wanted the car for April delivery when the weather is better and I did not have a pressing need for the car but Tesla didn’t care.
Great info about Tesla battery.
Thanks for your simple explanation!! I was going to order a Tesla y performance but I’ll wait until January to make sure I get a 4680. I’m not a scientist so your explanation was really god
Hey Andy
For 2021 standard , do you happen to know what kind the battery is?
We have a M Y DM LR on order with delivery in December thru March 23.
It's supposed to have the 2170 out of Freemont. However, with Austin expected to make M Y DM LR, I'm thinking it may be sooner. The announcement did say that Austin would be making 2170 and 4680.
Whatever the case, I can hardly wait.
Thanks for the info.
Bob
It will be interesting to see if the LFP in a Model Y has more range than the LFP RWD M3. Less energy dense so I have read that they are basically Full packs in the RWD M3 rather than a Scaled down NCA pack.
I have the same ETA for my model Y as you do lol, I ordered back in August 2021, when did you order?
A very useful video, i will stick to my mazda cx5 until it is guaranteed the new battery is what we would get, I live in Europe so would have appreciated the analysis of the German Tesla factory as pertaining to the battery applications
Andy, I have a date of April 22 - May 27 for a LR Model Y in Blue. I live in NY. I delayed the order once. I will take the next VIN they give me hoping its an Austin build with 4680's.
@andy Slye which battery is better for colder climates like New York?
So model x and model s has the best batteries? Thank you 🙏
Great video, so if you order a Model Y now it says delivery date of Jan -Apr 2023 so does that mean these models will def have the new battery or will they still have the LFP or 2170's?
I am surprised you aren't listing the LG NMC battery pack that is going into the M3LR any time now. A pack that charges slower, has less discharge power and less capacity as well. This would have been essential to mention!
Also when you mention that the top 10% can't be used on daily charge with NCA packs, then you should also mention that the lower 4,5% are hidden below 0%. This capacity also needs to be subtracted from the claimed range as it is part of it.
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I own a 2021 model 3 sr+ and I love it. The current price is way too high for me. I got a deal compare to the ones that are for sale.
@ANDY SLYE it does not seem as customers have the option of picking which battery we get when we place an order.
4:38, how do you have the camera on the left lower of the screen while using the map view?
Hoping to get 46 80 in my Y expected to deliver late this year. I am in California but they are making them in Austin Texas.
Hi! I just got my Tesla. Help pls. How do you do navigation like 4:33 and 4:38?
so if i have a 2021 standard range plus rwd model 3 with nca what size cells do i have
It's important to make a distinction between battery chemistry (NCA, LFP, etc.) and form factor (18650, 2170, 4680, blade, prism, etc.). They are completely separate issues and should be addressed separately.
Exactly
Yes! 4680 isn't a different chemistry. He kept calling it the 3 different chemistrys. It's not. 4680 is either LFP or NCA. And for now it seems 4680s are only NCA as Tesla uses prismatic LFP batteries which are just that and not 18650 or 2170.
How do I determine which battery is in 2022 Model Y Performance?
I have a LFP 2022 Model 3 coming in July/August - Can't wait!!!
We ordered the same car in November, and ours arrives next month :-)
How do you know which battery the car you ordered have? Does it tell you in your account?
@@bingli4927 All Model 3 RWD’s now have LFP.
@@Kermit26297 we got an order in for a long range AWD, are they LFP as well?
@@bingli4927 No, ONLY the RWD models get the LFP batteries. That’s the only real downside of the LR Dual-Motor (besides the higher price).
Andy, I picked up my Model Y in late December, How can I tell which battery I have ? it was made in Austin
What is funny is that NiCad batteries which were the first commonly used battery had an issue with memory which caused the search for new technologies like Nickle Metal Hydride which had a bad habit of imploding for no apparent reason and releasing toxic fumes. We then went to a few other types that only lasted extremely short periods of time until we found Lithium Ion which of course didn't suffer from memory issues and were supposed to be the ultimate form of rechargeable tech until we found that it would develop dendrites which of course caused them to degrade. Next question is, if or what we will find wrong with LFP in the future once it is in widespread use.
I think we’re in the same order batch or very close? I ordered my LR-7, blue, tow pkg on 10/27…. My delivery range changed about a week ago to 5/7-6/11 EDD. Delivery to Vegas. I was ecstatic when it got pushed back a month! 🤞🤞🤞
My LFP 60kWh battery charged at 90kW at 80%, its amazing, you can charge 100% daily and have regen at 100% also. Im only seeing positives so far!
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Andy I have a 2023 model 3, how do I know which one I have? Neither of what you show looks like my screen :(
if i order now for the model Y when I get the new 4680 battery? do you know? thanks
I ordered a Model X. Estimated delivery January 2023. I got a good chance to that new 4680 battery?
Thanks for the info Andy! I’m holding out for the 4680! 🙏🏾
You and me both!
@@aslye Hahaha!
@@aslye ME Too! Even if the price is higher which it will probably be, I want the better batter and configuration. I heard that if you placed an order, you only get 1 time to delay otherwise the price is no longer locked. I think people should look into that for those who have a MY on order...
*Does anyone know when the 4680 Battery will come to the Model 3 cars?*
It's possible create some sort of satellite internet access antenna for cable internet access ?
Looking forward to your 4680 Model Y🙂.
How do we get to decide which battery we get? When you place an order you get what you get. I’m still waiting on my model 3. Who knows what battery I’ll get.
Thank you for the Tesla battery education, very informative. I am hoping for the 4680 as well as for the potential increased range, although I believe that would be offered for 2022 customers as a software update. (That is the feature is locked, so whatever configuration you get we don't get an un-paid for enhancement. I think that is fair)
I have an order for MYLR ordered in early March with FSD. The expected delivery date in Canada is Aug 31 till Oct 26. As I understand it currently all Y's come from Fremont for Canada. I do want the FSD and currently, an FSD subscription is not available in Canada. So will earlier delivery could come into effect that would be nice but would like to have 4680 first then delivery with FSD.
Don't hold your breath. Tesla will not Osborne their cars. Most likely the intial 4680 will have less or similar capacity as they ramp up. Only when all factories are up to speed you will 'probably' see a slight range increase, but I don't think before sometime 2023. And def not to old cars sold in 2022.
@@marcusbiller867It makes sense the “new” DMSR Y will have the 4680. It will take less 4680 cells, thus allowing Tesla to ramp up 4680 production. I’m curious how the 4680 performs in cold weather. I have a 21 MYLR and cold weather really hurts the range. Once 4680 is out for a year or 2 I will order another MYLR with the 4680 if it makes sense.
Don't confuse a new form factor (4680) with longer range due to "chemistry"
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While the lower number of cells (which mean less steel in the total) will reduce weight, along with the pack being structural, the "5x, 6x" figures from battery day simply refer to the energy available from each cell, and the 4680 has 5 times the "jellyroll" area wound into its casing, so it can hold 5 times the energy of a 2170.
In other words, the 4680 pack will have approximately 20% (1/5) the number of cells, but the same amount of active material, so the same "capacity" (kWh) as the old pack.
Most of the efficiency will derive from the same capacity (+/-70 kWh?) moving less mass.
Will they increase range?
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Remember the mission.
They want more cars on the road.
The way to do that is to keep the capacity the same, or very slightly less(!) give a slight range increase due to the weight, and use the spare cells to build more cars.
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Don't forget, the 4680 should charge faster due to its construction. That will more than offset any reduction.
I have a friend that recently picked up a model Y in the Bay Area that may have an LFP battery pack.He has the same charging window as a model 3 standard and an E as the seventh symbol on his vin number. Any thoughts?
LFP batteries don't have a "memory", it's the BMS (battery management system) that wasn't able to balance the whole pack.
Hi Andy, great battery tech info, thank you! I would like to purchase a 2023 Model S Plaid NOT a 2022, when should I place my order? The Tesla website states that if I place my order now I get a delivery date of July & Sept, 2022. I'm sure if I place it now I'll receive a 2022 model, so how much longer should I wait to place my order? Should I order in Sept then delay delivery? the only way I'll know if I'm getting a 2023 is when Tesla provides me with a VIN#.
Your help would be greatly appreciated!
After watching this very informative video, I have a question. I own a 2020 MY dual motor long range variant (vin# xxxxx2LF030469) delivered on 7/26/20. It was my understanding that the newer NCA 2170 cells didn't appear in either the M3 and Mys until late in 2020. Is there any way to tell via date of build or vin to determine what cell you actually have in your vehicle?
What form factor is the LFP batteries, 18650 or 2170’s?
Anyone has word about what the 2022 model 3 long range will have what battery?
I have a 2022 M3 LR with the LG E5LD battery. If I understand correct this is still a NCA battery and it should not be charged at 100% for the daily trips?
Wow, fantastic video with knowledge I must have to assist in my decision. I'm looking at a Model 3 Performance but I feel I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place as the lease on my current vehicle runs out the first week of November. If I make the order and is ready for delivery before the end of my lease, I can't/don't want to be paying on 2 cars at the same time but as I also work at a hospital, I cannot afford to be without a car... I have to be ready at a moment's notice! I am stuck in quite the quandary. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Buy the car at the end of the lease. Then sell it at a profit when your new car is ready.
@@SpressoX3 Thanks for the input! I have thought about and mulled over that scenario much. With the way Tesla keeps increasing their prices, I didn't know if it would be a good idea to order now and lock in at a potentially lesser price. But then again, I have been bit by the new car bug and I'm jonesing for the Model 3 Performance pretty bad! Hahaha
Since when can you pick the battery? I don’t see that on their site
I have a MYP on order with a June 9 to July 21 delivery and as much as I'd like to see it ASAP would want to delay it if it doesn't come with the 4680 battery
Great video, but how do you delay your model Y delivery?
Tell your Tesla sales rep
My Tesla rep has told me they are no longer accepting delay requests. You take your car when it's ready or lose the order. I had both a M3 LR and a MY LR on order and was hoping to delay both until tax incentives were established again and I could decide which I could afford. The M3 was ready this month and they would not allow me to delay delivery, so I lost it. MY it is, I guess!
What about their network ability for catching fire, while not being able to put out the fire in reasonable time, like 2/3 days time?
just wanted to add another 3 things about the LFP battery,
1) cold weather DC charging can be slow
2) when you are DC charging you don't want to go much above 80% because the charge speed slows down. 80% on a NCA battery is more range than 80% on a LFP battery.
3) LFP batteries are said to last 2-3x times longer than NCA, so if you are the type to buy and own a car for like 10years it might be worth to consider this
FYI - Tesla announced in the Q1 earnings call that Austin built Model Y use the new 4680 cells, and they don’t plan to make LFP versions of the 4680. Therefore the Austin cars don’t have LFP right now, and when Tesla adds an LFP option for the Model Y it will likely use CATL prismatic cells, like the RWD Model 3 does.
How are you able to delay delivery? I didn't get my delivery date until right after my VIN, so wouldn't I be unable to get a newer vehicle by changing the date because they'd just keep my same vehicle stored until that date?
Aren’t you in Canada? Are they shipping Austin made Y’s to Canada?
@3m45s An easier way to check if your Model 3 (or Shanghai RWD Model Y) is LFP vs NCA - what’s the 7th character in the VIN? E is NCA, F is LFP.
Hello Andy, when is Tesla going to reach the territory of Lebanon and with what models? Thank you
Bought LFP batteries for my friends EV scooter (need to purchase a better charger with battery management system). Lighter weight will help me load the scooter into the trunk of my car. Hooray for LFP batteries. So can I purchase the 12v LFP battery for my 2019 M3?? And is it a good idea?
how do you delay an order
Just reserved a Model 3. I don’t think it’s right for them to put different batteries in cars and not allow you to choose especially if it may affect future resale value. Everyone is paying the same price and not receiving same batteries.
Ordered the LFP Model 3
Expected delivery in July
*Hopefully the Model 3 Long Range comes with the 4680 Battery. I know I am wishing for alot but it would be so nice.*
@@NatmanFilms
Eventually it should
For now only the Model Y's from Texas have 4680s
What is a good and bad years for used Tesla?
Thanks for the info Andy. As an engineer, Tesla's amazing "outside the box" thinking has had my interest for the past couple years. Recently, I've been watching for updates regarding giga Austin and the possibility of 4680 springing to life in the Y. I ordered MYLR a couple weeks ago with a September delivery as of now. I'm hoping as you are, to score the new mega-cast front and rear with a 4680 structural pack between. Question, if my delivery day comes and they are still not shipping 4680 equipped Ys, how do you "delay"??
Just text them and say you want to delay delivery.
@@bigswee693 Thanks for the feedback will. Guess I’ll have to wait and see what comes first.
They are canceling orders if you try to delay or reject the car. I've seen it happen multiple times now. It's all over the forums. Read your contract, because it's within their right to cancel orders if you don't accept within a number of days.
@@vanto4362 I had a Plaid S and delayed my order and it was not cancelled. They picked me in June, delayed it until September and received my order. I would just ask for confirmation that it will not be cancelled.
@@bigswee693 There was a policy change a couple months ago, delay at your own peril. It’s unfair that you get both a lower price and the latest tech. Those should be for people paying $10k over what you paid for.
Thanks. It's nice to see the gradual promising improvements in the EV mix.
Plug in hybrids are making similar improvements.
When my paid for ICE vehicle wears out in 15 years, there will be lots of proven options. Hope they remain affordable.
What is the chemistry of the 4680 battery?
The new Chinese RWD 60 LFP they are selling in the U.K. and Europe is pretty fantastic. Amazing efficiency and only about 30 miles difference to LR version. Also can be charged to 100%. Problem is they just put the price up by £3k! Still a lot cheaper than the LR though. Heat pump, double glazing, heated rear seats and steering wheel.
Hi Andy, I wasn’t told anything about my Model LR when they dropped it off March 2022. I just realized today by watching your videos how to find the battery type. I have LFP but I’ve only been charging it to 80% since I’ve had it. Will this affect the battery life?
It will. Start doing 100% most days
Andy, thanks for great videos! Heads up, you should check with your rep. Mine informed me Tesla is no longer accepting delay requests. You take your car when it's ready or you lose the order. I had a M3 LR ordered and had it cancelled this month bc I wanted to wait, hoping for tax incentives to be reestablished. 😕 I have an order for a MY that says delivery in Nov, so hopefully they're all 4680 by then!
Thanks Richard. I’ve heard that they allow 90 days of delay but I guess I’ll find out soon!
@@aslye I have a Fremont Y arriving this month, and Austin version in Sept. Plan on canceling 1 of them. Should I wait for the Austin Y, given the new tech? Is the upgrade that big of a difference?
Just ordered my Model Y, Pushing to delay also due to wanting the new setup. but not sure when we will get them in Europe. i do hear that German MY will be new battery too.
I read everywhere that the first ones from Giga-Berlin will NOT be 4680 (initially 2170, I guess). After a few months (6-8?) they plan to switch to 4680. The first ones from Giga-Texas will be 4680, however, with their 4680 cells having already been built in California (ready in inventory). Hopefully before that supply runs out, Giga-Texas will begin producing their own 4680 cells, and also get various other forms of batteries from LG, CATL, etc.. Currently, there is no such thing as a LFP 4680 (as the LFP are prismatic ingots rather than cylindrical cells), which might likely rule out a structural battery pack also. Check further to see what form of battery you will get from Giga-Berlin, as it depends on what exactly you ordered. (Maybe you'll want to delay your delivery if you're strongly wanting 4680's?) Good luck.
My delivery date is May 17-June 14 model Y performance. I hope I get 4680
I too have a model y long range in order scheduled for August and would love the 4680 battery pack. We live in Washington state, so I’m guessing our model y would be built in Fremont?
Not sure what to do…:)
Not sure you have a choice.
@@evwiz yeah, I think you’re right and I’m totally ok with it. Looking forward to any configuration.