Do I recommend Tesla after 300,000 miles (483K km)?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2022
- 2:05 Tesla electricity costs
4:00 How much has my Tesla battery degraded?
5:36 How much has it cost for my Tesla repairs
9:21 How much has it cost for my Tesla maintenance
10:17 Summary: How much does it cost to own a Tesla?
12:32 Do I recommend a Tesla?
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2:05 Fuel costs
4:00 Battery degradation
5:36 Repairs
9:21 Maintenance
10:17 Cost summary
12:32 Do I recommend a Tesla
Can we please have serious reviews at 100,000 miles intervals . 100,000 then 200,000 then 300,000 then 400,000 and hopefully 500,000 miles .this should be done with every vehicle gasoline, electric hybrid diesel plug in EV s all should reviewed so we as consumers really see what is affordable and what problems to expect . I had to look so much on the internet and all I see are Elon Musk Tesla FANBOYS trying to sell promote Tesla cars . NOBODY telling us how expensive they are even for the slightest body damage. Nobody telling us you cannot charge EVS at minus 20 Celsius
@@georgevavoulis4758 wake up, regardless a Tesla will be cheaper.
@@MurkedStat Telsa may not be necessarily cheaper especially if you are comparing with Toyota hybrids and plug-in hybrid cars.
@@dayoadeosun1520 boooooo
@@MurkedStat lol. Does it hurts that cost of ownership a toyota hybrid/phev, for 300K miles, would be significantly lower than Telsa? Even if the electricity is free for the length of the mileage.
who came here hoping you were gonna watch a video involving a Tesla with 300k miles on the original battery and motor?
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You don’t exist, Mr. Botnet
Me, and am quitting immediately
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My 2018 Model S 100D has over 175,000 miles with no issues. Purchased new , interior is holding up good, I can charge up to 100% and get 294miles of charge.
Still running great,
The take-offs never get old.
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Awesome!
What’s your maintenance costs looking like? I’m debating on buying a used ‘18 75D with 36k miles. Coming from a ‘22 M3P.
@@justinwhitehead6181 I have a 22 Model Y with 30k miles (I drive a lot) and have had to do no maintenance besides filling up the windshield wiper reservoir. Why do you want to go to a 75D if you have a 22 M3? I've driven a 2018 Model 3 then test drove a 21 Model Y and the difference in quality was massive from just a few years prior.
Really for maintenance it should just be tires, windshield wipers, brakes (not often due to re-gen), and windshield wiper fluid. There's also air filters that need to be replaced every 2-3 years, and for Model 3 A/C desiccant bag every 6 years.
@@PerfectorZY ended up buying the 75D, it handles better and is a better drive than my performance. Definitely slower but it did come with FSD and performs awesome! Not upset at all.
@@justinwhitehead6181 You shouldn't be. I miss our Model S and the air suspension. My 21 M3 LR gives me a heart attack every time I drive over tracks and small holes, and I've strangely enough developed back pain ever since buying the car. The latter can't directly be attributed to the car, but just feel tired after my 1 hr commute to work whereas the S felt like floating.
My Grandfather taught me two things about cars. #1, the cheapest car will almost always be the one you already own. #2, all cars will cost you about $350 a month to own when you factor everything in on top of the purchase (notwithstanding warranties). I ran a Toyota Tacoma 368,000 kms. Over my eight years of ownership, I had to put full brakes front and rear 5 times (rotors were warrantied three), suspension twice (3.5" lift, heavy duty leafs), a front steering rack, and a new motor when the gauge plug failed and emptied the sump. All told just over $13000,00 Canadian. Even with the repairs, at $135.00 a month, it's ownership costs were the lowest of any vehicle I ever owned and far cheaper than buying something new. The best part is, I sold it for $2500 more than I paid for it! When you own vehicles for a long time, you will incur repair expenses. Sometimes sticking with what you know pays off in the long run. Thanks for the great video!
wait he's not changing the tranny fluid what a moron that fluid does need to be changed if you want longer lifetime out of the tranny🤣
Wise grandfather!! Personally, I’ve had my last new car. I find a pristine example of “whatever” turn my crank today and buy at 5-6 years old. All depreciated out. Insurance and tabs are more reasonable too I don’t see a Tesla in my future and I don’t want to be a beta tester. HOWever I REALLY 😂Enjoy Watching 1st Class Salesman Work The Crowd.
cars will NOT cost anywhere near 350/month if u buy very used cars. So, yeah no
That’s a lot of repair cost. I hope they’re making them better now. I got rid of my 04 Toyota Camry a couple years. It had 380,000 miles on it and total repairs over its lifetime were around $2,500.
That’s Toyota.👍
I don't believe you. Toyotas don't have repair costs.
Clearly you never had a fender bender and how about gas and maintenance cost for that period? Teslas cost more for repairs just due to being new. I remember when Honda and Toyota invaded the US in the late seventies, repairs were also disproportionate but came down naturally. It’s a temporary distinction, there is no getting around the fact EVs are overall cheaper to own, even if insurance is considered. Let’s not even touch on environmental impact, noise and performance which EVs also decimate ICE vehicles. TCO for an EV is simply less, any way you dice it.
A motorcycle smashed off my whole driver side mirror. Just got Toyota OEM part from eBay to replace my whole driver side mirror for less than 300 bucks. Hate to know what a whole OEM Telsa mirror would have cost...
@@fractalelf7760I bet those batties do more environmental damage than an 04 Camery.. please elaborate the differences in impact
I have a 2016 model S 75D with 154,000 miles. Range now 235 miles down from 250. It drives like the day a got it amazing! Repaired 2 door handles, wire harness for ultra sonic, and one key fob. Totaling $1200 over 7 years. I also now have 2022 model S LR fun to switch back and forth to compare.
Thank you for buying Tesla early, it pave the way to creating more Teslas for the common folks like me
Me, being a German, I need to cry, every time I hear a American telling their electricity prices.
Your prices are pure paradise compared to us over here.
Just move here.
@@zachlafond2652 that's a definite no. For many reasons the US is not really attractive to me go and live there; dirt cheap energy prices are not enough to give up on other modern live amenities. 🤗
@@Vardraq Do you think it was a good idea for Germany to get rid of its nuclear power plants ?
@@pauld3327 nope. Definitely a bad decision to get rid of them. Germany is geologically speaking very stable, so disasters like in Japan are very unlikely here.
This decision is even made worse by the fact that all coal power plants are supposed to be shut down very shortly and we sell all our overhead energy, rather than saving it for later. Renewables are not prominent enough yet, so we have to buy energy from neighbour countries.
Totally f'ed up.
I have a 2017 Model S with around 76k... based on your video I'd bet mine will late another 10+ years assuming my driving habits don't change too much. Aside from one of my door handles I have not had any repairs. It's very exciting to see the value of owning a EV over 300k miles. I'm looking forward to holding on to my Tesla for a life time :)
And that doesn't even factor into the value of the quietness, Sure there is road noise but most folk are commuting and I think it is worth a heap to eliminate the engine noise when you are waiting at those lights or in bumper to bumper traffic.
You will be very sad when your HV battery fails soon. These batteries fail with time regardless of mileage, charge cycles, climate, driving style, and maintenance. 10 years is common failure period. By 15 years, most will need replacing. When you pay for a replacement, Tesla will give you at most a 4 year warranty for a $20k battery. Good luck to you sir! You are playing financial Russian Roulette and you better feel very lucky!
@@JetFire9 I mean id be more than happy if my battery lasted 10 years, swap one out and go for another 10 LOL
@Nabee_H He's still under that rock with all of the other EV haters. In 5 more years battery chemistry will be totally different. Probably half the weight, half the size, half the cost, more power, smaller and charge twice as fast. He wouldn't know that because he doesn't read.
Hi Sean, great video. My Tesla model S 90D has done 210 k miles on the same battery. a 90% charge when new was 244 miles now it is 222 miles. My MCU went at 100k miles (totally dead car) numerous door handles etc. Both motors are good. regards David
Thank you for continuing to release videos. Great review. I agree with your concerns about part quality. It will be interesting to see how other EVs stand the test of time.
That's what I wanna see too, how Toyota, GM and Ford are gonna perform in the long run, the thing is that we will have to wait a long time before calling out anyone of them.
300K miles... thumbs up!
Lol I’m at 175k last two years I spent 14k fixing this dam car but then again I did save 20k in gas so I guess it works out to still a positive
@@thirsty3333 what year & model?
@@thirsty3333untill that battery bill comes up in 30 to 40k miles. 😅
@jesse584 battery is doing great so far. No issues and just crossed 360k miles. :)
@@AllThingsEV well, your 40k past the last batteries life.
sounds like borrowed time. 😆
Just starting this video, but always appreciate your level headed and honest content. 👍
Thanks Morgan
For what it’s worth I have an early Model Y from 2019 and have incurred no costs or repairs aside from two sets of tires. No brakes, no service, nothing. Happy about that as the saving over previous gas car have been truly massive. 👍🏼. In fact the car at one point last year worth what I paid for it due to all the past price increases.
I’m not aware that there was a 2019 model Y. Though it was introduced in the spring of 2020 as a 2021 model.
@@davidreidenberg9941 You’re right. Reserved in 2019, received early 2020.
My Model 3 has 71 thousands miles and no repair or maintenance needed besides of new tires.
@tapuzak I have a 2018 BMW that I bought new, zero repair also. I have an 2012 Infiniti that I bought new also, excepts regular maintenance, never an issue. Does that make you feel better? Any car requiring repair of any sort within warranty period is terrible.
@@ZoneCrasher it does. God bless you.
Excellent video! Thank you for putting in the time to do the analysis and share it with us 👍
Your review seems very fair and well done. Some of my friends have Model 3s and S Plaids, the older a 2019 and these seem very high in build quality and reliability compared to some earlier ones. I see one in my future.
34K on our 2020 M3 (Produced Dec 2019)
Granted its a bit new to really tell how its gonna hold up at 150k+
Only thing we've had to do thus far is align a door and replace a trim piece that was scratched from the door being misaligned. Warranty of course. Otherwise the car feels pretty solid.
Does need new tires now, but that's it. Probably sooner than we should have needed them but its hard to not put your foot down.
Our 2022 MYP feels even more solid.
I think that the fact that you use your car everyday for work, often out of town on rural roads, may also have some bearing on the frequency of replacement/repair for the higher ticket items whereas for most people it's a case of to work/school runs and back, mostly on fairly well maintained urban streets. Great video. Given the high number of views for this video, over 78, 600 others think so too. Happy holiday season Sean to you and your family. 🎅🎄
Excellent breakdown! Really appreciate you sharing this with us. Thank you! 🙏
My 2015 Model S 90D has had the front suspension replaced as well, hopefully they've redesigned that part of the car on the newer ones. No inverter failure, no dashboard problems, no MCU replacement (but Tesla says I don't need to worry about it yet).
My 2014 MS. 1 Drive train 2019 for water intrusion at $500 deductible, each screen from older bubble $2400, handles x2 -parts $140 fixed by me, 2 alignments at $500, 2 headlights $45 Amazon parts, and 2 set of tires $2000. Original battery at 105,000 and 240 range. No suspension replacement but had silicon spray to get rid of a squeaky sound. Sunroof needs basic maintenance but is fully functional. Car looks great and running strong.
I took delivery of my model 3 SR+ on 6-23-2020 and I have about 20k miles. I've had no repairs and I think my battery is better than when I bought it, though in the winter range does drop of course. Thanks for the video.
I'd imagine newer Tesla's will last a bit longer than some of the original design parts, but time will tell!
That’s my assumption too! Thanks for watching Alex!
@@AllThingsEV really great review.
Would be interesting to get a similar video of a 200k mile 2012, 2015, 2018, 2020 & 2022+ variant.....as Munro/industry are very clear that whilst original builds were inefficient, costly, unreliable, recent years has illustrated they are equal/better to anyone.
Imagine a 300k mile review of a Shanghai 2022 MYLR
I hope so. Thats terrible quality.
@@JonathanRootD And still it is less expensive to own than the ICE cars
@@JonathanRootD it is early build. Right now the new Teslas are much better
Thanks for the effort you’ve put in.
Please continue this good work.
For such an early VIN on a brand new car design- I think you've had a pretty decent experience for Tesla being so new. A few bleeding edge parts issues, but buying early is always a risk. Glad they could get you squared around. I'm not hearing many issues anymore on any models built since 2017 or so...
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People never bring up insurance costs.
No comments?
My insurance is stupid cheap for my MY performance.
Most or all insurances go by a score/ point system. Tesla has one of the highest safety scores you can get. So keep insurance well.
Much higher cost in California to insure my Model Y vs. my other vehicles.
interesting...but I have a Toyota Highlander with 340000 miles...17 yes old...so far nothing needed replacement...just tires brakes oil change and a timing belt...oh and it cost me 12500...would consider a Tesla if it had a lifetime warranty
340k miles @20mpg × $4.00 gas = $68,000. You already lost $29k to this Tesla without oil or tires.
My Mom owns a 2014 Model S P75, with 90K miles needing a Battery, She bought it brand new ,Quote from tesla $21K. She sold the car for $18K, Purchased the 2023 Mustang MarkE GT, Loves the styling and the comfort
Your mom was smart. Sorry that happened to her. I love ford and think the mach-e looks better than teslas
What a downgrade
Beside tire changes... the Maintenance on my 2017 Tesla S has been minimal. Besides the software being slower and the screens blacking out intermittently, those have been the main pain points. I paid for the self driving option 6 years ago, and it is not there yet. But with the continuous software updates, the car has been safer, more entertaining, more precise guessing energy consumption and time taken with every trip. ... priceless to me.
I think Tesla should consider allowing all FSD owners to have it transfer to their next new Tesla.
I recommend the MCU upgrade. Did it on my 2014 S, like a new car, and no more reboot or slow UI
With that many issues, still love it?
@@vicchris3943 o No direct pollution, quiet ride, No oil change, new and updated software every month or so, no parts breaking in 6 years, Brake pads last 150,000 miles because regenerative braking takes the hit, $12 per full tank, no gas station to go to and wait, plug it at home, faster. safer.... What's not to love?
Just finished the video. I have a 2021 Tesla Model Y that I bought brand new. So far zero repairs and zero issues outside of 1 software glitch where my HVAC stopped working for about 5 minutes during a long 8 hour trip. I pulled over and did a soft reset and it was up and running again. Other than that, um yeah, zero issues.
Hmm 🤔🤔🤔, keyword being brand new. Most owners want to know if it is worth buying a Tesla or ICE after years of ownership. I bought a brand-new Toyota and haven't had any issues either. I have also had Toyota's for 10 years without any major issues... and that is where the comparison matters.
@@joer8386 According to the video, you can at least expect 120,000 miles from the battery and 280,000 miles from the motor. So seems pretty robust to me. I’ve personally never put more than probably 80,000 miles on a car so I’m not the best test bed, but like I said in a previous comment, when you buy any car, not just a Tesla, with north of 100,000 miles you’re taking a risk. The previous owner could have been a guy like me who loves cars and takes care of my cars based on the owner’s manual and keep ALL records in a binder. Or you can get a car that was driven hard by some pimpled face teenager from 10th grade till he graduated college and never cleaned it or even knows what oil is lol. My Model Y is very lightly used. Most of its trips are grocery trips and getting the kiddo from school. A couple road trips here and there and that’s it. I plug up every night and cap my charging limit at the recommended 80%. I don’t go below 20% either. I avoid pot-holes and I wash every week. I also have rubber mats installed to protect the carpets. I treat all my cars the same way because I want the next owner to have a damn good car. The point I’m trying to make is……. It depends what kind of used car you’re buying 🤷🏾♂️
Wow Sean, I'm in my 5th year of driving a 2nd generation Nissan Leaf. It's no Tesla of course, but so far my repairs have consisted of having to replace one tire and that's it. Almost $20 grand in repairs sounds scary to me.
Sounds like it’s working out for you! That’s great.
@@AllThingsEV I still have battery warranty until May 2026, but I'll probably get something else before then.
@@lesliegweir How many miles has it gone? 300k for the Tesla is a very high mileage
Keep the Leaf as long as you can. They are very good cars. I love my Teslas but I miss my Leaf
@@RayNLA The Leaf has been a very reliable car for us.
You can DAMN well bet, as a previous multi Audi owner, you'd spend a SHIT LOAD more than the $40k on repairs and maintenance over 300k miles of driving any Audi lol. They break.. they break pretty often, especially when you get into >100k miles.. all kinds of issues.. and they are NOT cheap to repair. My S in 5 years of ownership from new, a 2017, has cost me $0 in repairs. Only real maintenance has been tires. Battery degradation looks like it will last me 15 - 20 years if it keeps going at it's current rate of degradation to when it'll hit below 80% of it's max at new. I'm SURE repairs will be coming down the road.. suspension, brakes (from non use), A/C and the motors I'd guess are the most likely issues I see that pop up on S's and X's. I'm sure I'll get there one day. But I'm also damn sure, cost of ownership is WAY below any ICE car for the same mileage. And I get to enjoy, pretty much, the best car on the road during all that time. Anyone considering it.. my recommendation is, DO IT. You will love the machine. And it WILL save you buckets o money in all likelihood. And it is literally among the top handful of safest cars on the road. Sure, keep your eyes out for a lemon.. but again, there's just SO many less things that CAN go wrong on an EV.. they are fantastic machines. I should mention.. I still enjoy the free supercharging perk.. so, no one buying now gets to have that.. but even without it, I'd still be saving long term over the Audi I had before.
I really appreciate how objective you were in this, keep up the quality content!
Objective by applying Tesla repair costs to non ev cars?
@@jmo6722 by showing actual battery replacement costs and part replacements. You don't hear about those costs too often so it's good to actually see them.
@@potato4945 I agree, but at the end the comparison is made my putting the repair costs of $19 on the Audi makes no sense.
@@jmo6722 It sounds like it's because the Audi maintenance was just scheduled maintenance costs and no unexpected part failures, which do happen, but I agree that it's a bit odd to just slap that on like it would be similar.
This was anything but objective. Audi and Subaru would only have a fraction of the total repair costs. I have had a Subaru Legacy since 2011 with over 300kms and my total cost of repairs outside of maintenance was around $2000.
Love this review. Sitting on 141km on my 19 tm3. 19k km to go for the warranty
One thing to note: The screens in the early Model S were not fully automotive grade (able to handle extreme temperatures). Nothing like that was made in automotive grade at the time, so Tesla had to use what was available. With the Model 3 (and obviously all the newer vehicles since then including the new S/X) they have gone to fully automotive grade screens. A lot of the failures you experiencd are "early Tesla" things that aren't really an issue with the newer cars.
I used to work on cars (40 years) and I do not recall seeing a bad suspension ball joint unless the lubrication is insufficient amount, dried out, or the boot is torn. It got to where I checked them periodically to see if there was a problem. You can lube joints if you use a needle attachment for your grease gun or pop the tapered pin loose with a puller and lube the joint by putting the needle where the boot contacts the tapered pin on the ball component. Moly grease tends to dry out. If you have a failure, ask to see the failed parts and check for the failure mode.
I’ve not owned a Tesla, but I have owned an Audi. My Audi was pretty much dead by 180k miles, steering rack was shot, shocks at the front were shot, starter motor shot, 2 exhausts, oil leaks, fuel injector problems, rear wiper only worked in the dry, window electric motor in rear door shot. This was an older A6 wagon 5 cylinder. Engine and transmission was basically okay but it wasn’t worth it with everything else giving up. Not many gas cars get to 300k miles without significant overhaul. I would suspect a more recent model 3 would be stronger on battery and motor life.
I hope you are right. I just bought a new Model 3!
Super interesting! I used to drive Uber and Uber Black (pre-pandemic). Ran a 2017 Escalade ESV at 50,000 mi/yr. Cost me $0.29/mile (not counting depreciation but including insurance) as I was comparing vs running old Odysseys and Siennas. That Tesla seems amazing to run if the useage suits your needs. Thank you for this!
You replaced your battery, your motor, your suspension twice, your MCU, your onboard charger twice, your charge port - granted most of these were after 145k, correct? But still - that's a long ways away from your average toyota or subaru. One thing you left out: insurance costs, which were probably higher than your Audi + Subaru combined.
Old model S is a bad buy second hand. Its just that simple.
300k is where I usually give up on my gas vehicles. Picking up my new Tesla on Sunday. If the Cybertruck continues to get delayed, this video makes me feel much better about this first transition to electric. I drive 36k miles a year or more just going to work and home.
Honda fit with over 300k. Engine ok. Everything else falling apart. Ordered model 3.
I drive around the same per year. Bought a leaf because its cheaper and I would HATE to put so many miles on such a beautiful car (Tesla). Although, I want a tesla badly, I think the cybertruck is going to be my next vehicle. I think the biggest issues with the cybertruck is probably going to be body panel alignments. New manufacturing process. "Same battery and electrical tech" and I think tesla has been improving on that.
I think you’ll be driving it well past 300k
You won't regret it. The best way to describe it is: Welcome to the future!
At 200k virtually every car will nickel and dime you to death. Buy a Honda or Toyota and the engine will purr, but the suspension, cooling systems, hvac, etc, will let you down.
You totally skipped depreciation. Teslas have held their value really well and a high mileage model can still have a lot of life, while any Euro car becomes near worthless after 150k mi when crazy repair costs become uneconomical and the pool as a whole gets a bad reputation.
8000 miles in on my model y. no issues. love the car so far. Have a 7 year old Toyota Avalon hybrid with 120K miles that has only cost me gas, oil and tires. The avalon is so reliable that I would recommend it to others as it gets 39 mpg. That being said, the Model Y is a MUCH MUCH better car. Its faster, more comfortable. The safety features, FSD, entertainment features are hands down the best and easiest to use of any car I have ever seen. Toyota's human interface on the infotainment system is total crap.
The Model Y performance was 84000 with tax and fsd. The toyota was 34000 including the unused extended warranty. New ones with the limited package are 46000. With tax-50K. Will the model Y provide $34000 more value? Not sure. But I can tell you I absolutely LOVE the model Y.
Thank u for sharing your experience. I bought used M3 2020lr+fsd in Nov 2022 for 46.9k from Tesla + 6 percent state tax
My initial budget for a car was no more than 30k. I made an impulse buy, and the good thing is I feel like I won't get bored of this car for a while.
I adore my Model X. She opens the door for me to get in and then closes it for me after I sit down. She adjust the seats, mirrors, temperature and music for me. She knows what I like and where I like to go. She takes good care of me. It’s almost like she has me under her spell. I named her Christine. I really do adore her.
Bro!!!! Get a room.
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Good to see a new video from you Sean. I always enjoy listening to your thought process. Not sure how you guesstimated the Audi costs but my brother in law sold his A6 at ~ 60 K miles re huge estimates from his service guru.
We are hanging onto our 2017 MX 75D re free charging and have done the MCU, brakes out of warranty but multiple previous in warranty repairs. In the last 2 years not much going on with it and it now has FSD beta after Tesla replaced all the cameras on their tab. (after having paid for fsd for 5 years I guess that would be expected)
Overall it rides better than my Model y and my wife prefers the X.
Thanks for your detailed review. Well worth the time to watch
Very intelligently done comparison, I really appreciate your easy to understand comparison methods. In fact, it placed Tesla's flagship EV in a much more interesting light within my own 'consumer mind'. Kudos to you, sir.
Get a Toyota and there is no light to think of.
I have a 2015 MS70D with 104,000 miles. I had a drivers door handle break which they replaced under warranty. They replace the front passenger window regulator under warranty although the app now says the window is open even though the window is closed, but it works fine. I had a memory upgrade rather than replace my MCU and that continues to work fine.
The tire shop won't rotate my tires because they say there is cupping and Tesla says there is not, but they did an alignment for $150. I put these tires on at 60k miles.
I normally only charge daily to 80%, but when I have charged to 100% it shows 224 of the original 230 miles. The battery and motors are in warranty until May
At some point I will have to replace the windshield because I have 9 rock chips. I fill them with Permatex when it is warm enough for it to cure. It only costs $11 from Amazon. It is the curse of living near a bunch of gravel mines and their trucks.
The mobile service replaced a passenger airbag under recall and replaced a bulb in the headlight and inspected power steering bolts.
I have spent a total of $150 for the alignment, and $1300 for tires at 60,000 miles. I used 8 tubes of Permatex and bought a HEPA filter and wiper blades from Amazon.
I think that is pretty good for a "luxury" priced car. I spend $44 per month charging at home and have free Supercharging for life. So far I have not used the Supercharging except for two trips a year that are usually 5,000-7,000 miles, but when I retire I probably will be driving around a lot more places.
Dave,
Good breakdown of cost analysis of ownership, especially in comparison to Euro cars. I was a Mercedes guy for over 35 years having owned all different configurations from SL's, AMG's, to 6 E-class wagons in a row! My average annual fuel cost was $5000 a year as I drive a lot... big skier and do real estate. I witnessed my wagons go consistently downhill over the years with brakes lasting only 30K and drivetrain/suspension failures that were increasing as the cars got newer. My last cost of repairs for my 2017 E-350 was over $30K plus the fuel expense that at 130K amounted to almost $50,000! My 2015 S85D has had a few bumps with the level 2 charger being replaced, the ground on the steering rack needing to be cleaned up, a few door handles replaced, and the 12 V battery and sway bar links replaced(did these ourselves...easy) but I got free supercharging for life...UNICORN!!! and I am tickled that I don't spend $5K a year on fuel and have over 130K on the car and cannot say enough about the tradeoff cost of what I used to spend! I will drive this car until the wheels fall off! It still rides and drives far better than ANY Euro at this milage!
We are just run in with our 2014 Model S P85 Performance + at 105,000 miles. We have never paid for charging as it's free for life. No costs until recently when we spent £400 on front ball joints and £1800 for air suspension pump and sensors. Other than tyres, that's it...
The battery pack going bad out of warranty is really expensive to repair. Even more expensive than your average ICE engine replacement cost. That is what's scary with EV repair cost.
300,000 mile test reports are like gold dust thank you, currently Im 125,000 uk miles in 2014 P85 RWD Model S owned from new and very interested in what you have to say as my pearl white cream interior sunroof delete 19" wheel car just keeps on going and still looks a million $$$$s. Interior holding up good, wheels powder coated black look better plus free supercharging sweetens the maintenance pill!
So here goes:-
20,000 Drivers door handle failed replaced FOC
35,000 Rear drive unit slight noise (bearings) replaced FOC
75,000 On a very hot UK day at high speed Battery reported overheat went into 60 mph snail mode, Freemont mailed me at US time 2am (long term coolant leak, topped up by Tesla, my question "If your topping it up where is it leaking out? fell on def ears). Replaced FOC new battery came with new algorithm, less regen when cold and clipped supercharging, Tesla also found a faulty 4 way valve that leaked the coolant.
85,000 front suspension legs replaced FOC although I never saw the need.
90,000 rear discs and pads (scored due to seizing due to lack of use) I also asked for rear drive shafts as there was a clicking on switching acceleration to deceleration and visa versa but turns on it just needed new washers and nuts on driveshaft to hub. NSF suspension drop link replaced PAID
120,000 Door handles failing again had all 4 replaced with v2.5 upgrade that do not fail. Still some on going work to be done PAID £1,400
Hamster in a wheel sound behind screen identified as face vent flow control valve oscillating PAID £400 OSF drop link to be replaced.
123,000 I replaced both front hubs as NSF noisy £180 the pair Ebay OEM parts, Front disc rotors £90 a pair OEM and pads at £22 for all the front again Ebay OEM.
Hey Sean, over 300,000 miles on your Model S sounds like a damn good run to me :)! I have a Tesla Model X 2022 and hope to get where you are now in a few years. Fingers crossed less the repairs or at least only a few.
I own a Shanghai made Model Y long range now for over a year, drove about 21.000Km with it...
Build quality is perfect, nothing wrong with that, interior is solid, not rattles, squeeks whatsoever
Nohing has failed till now, no service needed at all, filled whasher fluid myself.
Used Tesla service Purmerend Netherlands, to install a tow hitch, on which I could wait and the same time they took care of some minor warranty changes (applied insulation on some HVAC lines I believe).
All in all a great experience till now, I will never go back to a gas car.
A brand new car SHOULD NOT have a problem with it after only 21000 km. This literally tells you nothing about the car
All you’d need to do is experience a major DPK transmission failure in the Audi and your Tesla ownership costs would look insignificant. The Subaru comparison seems quite reasonable because, in my view, many of their models could make 300K miles with nominal sustainment costs. Great video.
And yet my daughter's Subaru got sold back to the dealer after having the engine being rebuilt multiple times by 12,000 miles. Apparently they, Subaru, have had a head gasket issue and hers had the problem repeatedly. So not trying bad-mouth Subaru as it was taken care of very well and ultimately they simply bought it back. She now has a Toyota Avalon hybrid which both she and her husband love. I tried to get them to look at a Tesla but she doesn't like them, well she doesn't like Musk.
Every single Subaru head gasket goes bad.
I would buy a late 2014 model and later. They refined their battery pack at that point and the motor has probably been replaced with the updated version. You also get autopilot 1.0 after September 2014 models. That is a massively useful highway feature.
How do you know if you have an early or late 2014?
Well. presented stats. even though these are rough estimates; thanks for doing this
Early days for me, but at 3 years of ownership of a Model 3 Performance (44,000 km = 27,000 mi), I just had my first service, which was AUD81 (= USD54 for change of cabin filter). They fixed a couple of loose interior panels under warranty and checked my tyres/tires for free. I have just replaced the rear tyre/tires and wheel alignment for AUD1,600 (= USD1,074).
Great video. I've owned two Toyota's over the last 23 years. My fuel cost annually are about 1200 to 1400 and I drive about 21,000 miles a year. Other than oil changes 4x a year at 50 bucks each and brake and tire changes I haven't done any major expensive repair work. I've replaced some belts and spark plugs and done fluid flushes but over the course of 300,000 miles my cost were about 20k. This includes fuel, service and maintenance. All of my service repairs were always under 2k. If I had to spend anything over 2k for repairs in one shot I would consider a different car. That just wouldn't work in my world.
Our Lexus 460 LS is a 2007 with about 135,000Km (84,000 miles) has ABS problems. The quote for the parts and labour is equal to the resale value of the car. In other words, the car with 84K miles is a write off because there is a problem with the ABS!
Never seen one of these videos where the battery pack has not been replaced. I’ll bet LFP packs last longer.
MY COMMENT IS LATE, DUE TO SEEING THIS JUST NOW. LOT'S OF GREAT INFO IN YOUR VIDEO. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT UP!
Wow ! thank you so much Sean for the excellent video!! I Own a 2017 chevy bolt and its a blast!
Wow Sean - 300 K! That is awesome. One of the things that factors into Audi service is the timing chain replacement. The Audi would have needed 4 timing belts over the same 300,000 mile period at a cost of close to $1000 per visit. I have a loaded 17 100D (with FSD) that I bought used 2 years ago. Battery and drive train warranty are still good until 2025 with unlimited miles. Car currently has almost 68,000 miles. Replaced under warranty - half shafts, and front air springs, charge port, 2 door handles, and front door seals to abate wind intrusion into the cabin. Right now, I tires, wipers, and wiper fluid have been my only expenditures over the last year. Knocking wood. Thanks!
timing belt replacement $1000 roflmao, try $1800+
Nice work! My buddy picked up a 2016 MS, with free supercharging. I went with a 2023 M3. Fingers crossed for him, no battery issues over the length of his ownership period!
Especially with the 2023 M3 you are most certainly going to get the highest build quality car Tesla has made yet.
Cybertruck is going to be a whole different story but even the new M3 is going to be big!
I have a 2014 model S that I bought in May of 2019 with 27,000 miles on it. I bought it through Tesla's used car section, or inventory cars as they call it, and I have had some minor issues, and some major ones. All 4 of my door handles had to be replaced, 3 under warranty, and one that cost $230 to replace. The drive unit went out last November, 2021 under warranty, and it failed again in July 2022, so they replaced it again under warranty cause it hadn't even been a year since replacement. I now have 200,000 miles on it, and it all seems good. All in all, I'm happy with my Tesla, and have pre-ordered a tri-motor Cybertruck, Can't wait to get it.
Great video! Very informative. Thank you! 🙏🏻
Great review, thank you for taking the time to work to work out the numbers.
As fir the reliability issues, I think every vehicle company is pretty much the same albeit depending on their overall cost to build in the fist place, take BMW's, great cars when new but a few years down the road and a lot of unreliability issues tend to arise but folk still love them and will still buy then warts and all!
If you want the best, repairs and maintenance are just part of the ownership experience, love it or leave it!
Always lease German cars. There is nothing more expensive than a cheap used BMW.
Wow, those numbers are a lot higher than I expected and I’m surprised so many repairs aren’t covered under warranty. If a car needs a repair more than a few thousand, I think it’s time for a new car. I had a Nissan many years ago that had about 250k miles with nothing other than the basic service like oil changes, brake pads, etc. I would expect an EV to not require any servicing at all. I hope Tesla addresses these issues.
Thanks, Sean! This was helpful and insightful.
Very informative as I’ve never owned a Tesla but am considering a purchase of a model 3. Thank you. 👍
Wow 40k in repairs is significantly higher than an average gasoline car.
Factor that and insurance and fuel savings end up being muted.
basically. what you save in fuel costs goes into cost to fix it.
Repairs were only $19k actually
@@AllThingsEV that's not bad for 300,000 miles. Mine has half the miles, spent about 8,000 on repairs, maintence, and tires.
Wow you put on the miles! Like you, I believe in holding onto cars for a long time. I've had my Model 3 for 4 years and I intend to keep it for at least another 4. Total cost of ownership is generally lower than buying a new car every few years. I do think Tesla has improved part quality over the years, but there is definitely still room for improvement. I appreciate your evenhanded presentation of the facts, both good and bad, about owning an early model Tesla.
You think 8 years is a long time??? I keep cars 15 years usually.
@@Dave-cf4vd I kept my last car for 13 years. But I recognize that 2018 was still early days for EVs and for Model 3 in particular, so I figure I’ll be tempted to replace it in 8-10 years.
My last car, Mercedes 300SDL, was 30 years old with 330K miles when totaled. My new Mercedes BEV will be kept until Mercedes quits making parts, I quit driving or I die. I have a Cyber Truck on order so I don’t want to die soon.
Amazing data points. Thanks
Thanks for the review and analysis
Well done video! I have a 2012 Tesla Model S P85 with 205, 000 miles, and I was very interested to see your video and your ownership experience!
How has your car been? Any big issues like this guy had?
@@ledzeppelin1212 Here’s a summary of major repairs
2012 P85 Drive unit replacement (first three under warranty)
- [ ] 6/7/13: 5,155 miles (Drive Unit died)
- [ ] 1/21/16: 48,129 miles (Drive Unit making noise)
- [ ] 7/26/19: 131,222 miles (Drive Unit making noise)
- [ ] 3/7/22: 194,658 miles ($6,000 out of pocket)
High Voltage Battery (both replacements under warranty)
- [ ] 2/17/15: R&R HV battery with upgraded Power Switch and Power Supply (26,539 miles)
- [ ] 5/11/17: R&R HV battery. (65,744 miles). No reason given by Tesla
Thanks for the detailed write-up. I own a very early (6xx vin) 2018 Model 3 LR AWD, got it in Sept 2018. At 61,000 miles now- so far only one warranty repair, the frunk latch needed to be replaced, it stopped opening after the first year. Tech said it was a known issue with these early builds and had since been fixed. I did purchase the car with FSD, and so in 2021 got my FSD computer upgraded to HW3 at no cost (included w/FSD purchase originally). Otherwise, just tires, wipers, washer fluid, state inspections. Charging is essentially free, as my home has solar, with enough production to offset the car as well as the home. And that's it so far *cross fingers*
Hi. You charge directly from solar? What is the minimum charging speed for Teala? If you have only 1 kwh or 2 kwh extra from panels will go in car or it will charge with 4 kwh and it will take something from grid? Thanks
@@IlieJanau well I charge from the grid essentially- but my solar array makes enough back into the grid to offset my usage. So, no I am not DIRECTLY charging only from the solar, but rather through the grid- in which I am putting more solar energy back into daily, than my home & my car draw out on average. My solar array in the summer months can generate about 80kwh back into the grid in a full sunny day. I hope that helps explain it better.
@@luckyy802 Yes. Make sense now 😊. Thanks a lot 🙏
Good luck! I just bought a 2023 M3 SR. I'm hoping the LFP battery pack will be more reliable. Videos like this one scare me with all of the costs, but my car is ten years newer, so I'm hoping most of the kinks have been worked out by now!
That frunk latch issue was me. I put on a deadbolt inside. Like my privacy ❤
The only reason the overall operating costs look reasonable is because Sean was fortunate enough to get the first battery replacement under warranty. The second battery is due for replacement soon and that will skew the operating costs skyward.
Imagine if any Subaru requires $20k battery and a $6k motor every 150K miles? Would anyone be gullible enough to pay for that?
Tesla model 3 owner here with 100k miles on the clock, original battery and powertrain. Still feels like new.
Very fair review. It does seem that many of the early cars have had battery and especially motor replacement and we can hope that Tesla will have improved more recent cars to the point that this should not be an issue - but we don't know yet. I think it is fair to say that an Audi or Subaru driver would be very unlucky to need such major components to be changed, even over a high mileage.
...correct, this analysis would look very different if the battery pack failed out of warranty...
Thanks for being honest, I'll stick with ICE for now. Your maintenance has cost you more than 7 times what I pay for low milage cars.
Given that this was a 2013 model…newer models have come a long way in reliability and I doubt would have as many issues. 30k miles on my 2019 model S and I can’t think of any major repairs or issues I’ve had. Plus I never have to get oil changes or fill up at a gas station (home charging). You’d have to pay me to go back to ICE.
@@stevecha3612 I'm talking purchase price
What car do you drive??? How much gas do you spend??? I’d like to see your financial break down.
@@dajusta87 Diesel Citroën C3 Picasso 2010. 700 mile per tank. Cheaper than supercharging with a 50 litre tank. Cost me £3 500 to purchase. £40 of fuel lasts a month
Thank you, good and seemingly objective information in the video.
Being an early adopter is always tricky. But as you mention, they are constantly learning about what fails and why and applying that knowledge to their newer vehicles. Battery chemistries especially have been greatly improved over the years too.
Appreciate the breakdown.
It’s great the body has made it so long, although I wish I could say this is impressive relative to many ICE cars, but it’s not great honestly. I hope the newer ones hold up better.
My Honda is over 250K on the odo and still runs like new. Not counting tires and oil, I’ve spent less than $1000 on repairs. I’m not sure I can justify the spend :(
I have a Toyota and after watching this video, gave her a big hug and promised never to leave her. ❤❤❤
No way the Audi would go 300,000 miles without plenty of major repairs.
Thanks dude ! In a few simple words you have convinced me to keep driving my Honda Odyssey into infinity and beyond.
2014 is a good low end for used. 2nd gen batteries/dual motor revision, autopilot and a bunch of other revised parts by then.
I think your list of repairs on that early car looks pretty normal for the issues I have seen reported by others. Tesla is continuously improving and hopefully lessons learned since your car was built have been addressed. Admittedly some of those repairs would have been kind of hard to swallow. Would love to see a similar comparison of a car with high miles from a newer year to see how the repairs and maint has turned out to see if the early model teething and evolution has gotten better. Thanks for sharing.
Great content as always Sean!
Thanks Dan!
Time is also a factor to figure into cost, a gas powered vehicle on a trip can be fully refueled and back on the road in about 5 minutes and generally also has a longer between refueling mileage than an EV.
I think an EV for a short range commuter is an option but currently the cost to purchase, set up home chargers and if a person is not a homeowner becomes really problematic in most instance outweighs any advantage such EV vehicle really may have.
Maybe in another decade or two but EV vehicles and the infrastructure to support them is not ready for prime time currently.
I use to think this way too. But my wife and daughter want to stop every two hours to pee anyways, the charging it takes for two hours of driving is less than our bathroom breaks. So really our bladders are our limiting factor.
Picked up my 2018 M3LR in 2020 with 40k miles on it. 2.5 years later it has 135k problem free miles. I've only put tires on it.
70684 miles so far and no issues on my model 3 other then a drove through rough heavy snow that had frozen. It put a small hole in the underside of the car (composite tray) cost me $251 to fix
I use solar but if I went by just ave KwH price here and Michigan I'd say I'm at .14-.15 cents
That's roughly so roughly $2800-3000
Vs my previous car which would have cost me $10,000 plus ( ave 4 per gallon here)
To be clear I have 100% of my energy covered via solar power
I have stopped at superchargers which are getting pricey here in Michigan.
Overall it's by far the best car I've had and in my opinion the best car/cars on the road. You would have to be crazy to not be trying to own one
140,000 miles on my 2013 still going strong original battery
Former Audi owner: for cost of ownership over the vehicle's life I would recommend to add $20,000. Some parts (looking at you, water pump) are significantly higher than, say, an American car.
So far I have been fortunate to not have any issues with my Tesla (model year 2021), though I think it's still under 20,000 miles.
Well, you have a 1st generation S so I believe gen-2 2016 has many more design and process improvements plus Tesla's quality control has become a much higher priority since the initial launch of model 3 brought quality issues to light. I have a 2022 M.Y with zero problems so far and I hope it stays trouble free for many years to come.
Thanks for the review. I remember when tesloop was up and running his reviews on vehicle maintenance were very insightful.
Early production models with the service and repairs costs are more expensive than what I was expecting it would be interesting to see a model 3 versus a Toyota over a similar distance.
The cost of maintaining a Tesla has dropped a lot since early production models.
You can be sure it is much lower than this.
Thanks but I will continue to drive Toyota Camrys and Corollas.
@@phillipjames453 An average family car like a Camry has a CO2 cost of materials and manufacture of ~7.5 tons (Internation Energy Agency 2021). An efficiently made BEV like a Tesla Model 3 about twice that. But the ICE has an operating cost over its lifetime of over 60 tons! The BEV generates less CO2 every year as the grid greens up and battery manufacture improves (Tesla solvent free electrodes eg) - the ICE gets dirtier every year as the engine wear out.
2015 Model s 70D here with 222k miles and original battery and drive train. Original screens. Still holds very good charge
Detailed Video. Thank you sir.
Just to give you an idea of how much you may have underestimated the service costs for your ICE cars. Hertz has said that their Teslas run about 30 cents in the dollar for service costs versus their ICE vehicles.
Hertz's Teslas are more recent
@@pauld3327 I’m not sure the point you are trying to make
@@mjsabie8517 l'm saying that his car is a first generation Model S that are known to have a lot of issues resulting in high maintenance costs.
On more recent Tesla cars, those issues have been resolved and we can expect much lower maintenance costs.
@@pauld3327 that may be true. I would also argue that the data from hertz is much more thorough. It covers thousands of vehicles driven by different people in different climates. I think it’s one if the best data points to cost of ownership
I have a model Y that i bought new 2 years ago and i have spent $0 on Maintenance/Repairs and it has not seen the service center yet for anything, i have only rotated tires so far, battery is down to about 307mi (from 326) range for a full charge. Interesting info on older model, thanks
How many miles?
@@NextGenEvs 32K
Super detailed ownership review. Very helpful!