The Many Scandals of Zelda Speedrunning

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 เม.ย. 2024
  • Head to geolog.ie/MANYKUDOS70 or scan the QR code on the screen and use code MANYKUDOS70 and they will give you an exclusive 70% off of their award-winning skincare trial set. On top of that you can SAVE BIG on the add-ons products of your choice when you add it to your trial.
    🍖 Listen to the BEEFIEST podcast around: / beefboys 🍖
    🔴 Patreon: / manykudos
    🐣 Twitter: / manykudos
    📸 Instagram: / manykudos
    👙 Merch: crowdmade.com/collections/man...
    📹 Twitch: / manykudos
    🎮 Discord: / discord
    Edited the amazing James Miller: / @jamesmiller69
    References & videos used: docs.google.com/document/d/13...
    In this actual TH-cam video, me, ManyKudos, hits you with the sort of information you normally have to pay a premium for on shady parts of the internet. Instead, you get to watch it for free, instead sacrificing the precious moments you have on this earth. We talk about Skater and Torje's famous Fast Wii incident, which sparked a lot of very juvenile discourse. The iQue, an obscure Nintendo console from China, became a scandal in itself, after it gave runners a competitive edge that was hard to keep up with. In the same vein, Amiibos are a constant source of pain for the Breath of the Wild community, as their pay to win antics earn them the scorn of many a runner. Finally, we look into the tragic misunderstanding of Triforce%.
    0:00 - The Legend of Zelda: The Rambling Kiwi (Intro)
    1:52 - The Legend of Zelda: The Wii of Speed
    7:04 - The Legend of Zelda: The Chinese Cheatbox
    12:39 - The Legend of Zelda: Expensive Amiibos
    17:32 - The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of Deception
  • เกม

ความคิดเห็น • 1K

  • @ManyKudos
    @ManyKudos  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    Head to geolog.ie/MANYKUDOS70 or scan the QR code on the screen and use code MANYKUDOS70 and they will give you an exclusive 70% off of their award-winning skincare trial set. On top of that you can SAVE BIG on the add-ons products of your choice when you add it to your trial.

    • @yggdrasil2
      @yggdrasil2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      My name is Robert.

    • @simonio6655
      @simonio6655 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Relating to that was beef boys clip, you said he was alive before gay meaning homosexual and the name Hitler being iffy, however he died in 1947, when Hitler was already dead, and gay was starting to mean "likes men"

    • @skeletonbuyingpealts7134
      @skeletonbuyingpealts7134 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why the fuck didn't this video start with Home

    • @robertb7293
      @robertb7293 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@yggdrasil2 It can't be. That's my name.
      And because it's my birthday today, that means I'm older, so the original.

    • @yggdrasil2
      @yggdrasil2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertb7293 Congrats!

  • @GoatHam
    @GoatHam 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4514

    I like the idea that speed runners finish a game as fast as possible just because they hate it

    • @ekkosfatnuts
      @ekkosfatnuts 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

      Had a good chuckle at that

    • @cheddarcheese9627
      @cheddarcheese9627 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

      MUM I DONT WANT TO DO THIS GAME! I WANT TO DO HOMEWORK.

    • @psyguyyggdrasil9071
      @psyguyyggdrasil9071 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      SHIFT with battle for bikini bottom

    • @legonick007
      @legonick007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      Garten of BanBan speedrunning in a nutshell

    • @tropezando
      @tropezando 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      After the endless resets and missing the WR by a millisecond for the 62nd time, they probably do

  • @KarazolaX
    @KarazolaX 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1657

    You cannot imagine the sheer disappointment I have upon learning that the category isn’t actually called “Push Ganon in front of an SUV”

    • @seant1326
      @seant1326 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      What is it actually called?

    • @KarazolaX
      @KarazolaX 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      @@seant1326 kill ganon

    • @hambor12
      @hambor12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      @@KarazolaX honestly, like cases where censor bleeps make certain comedy sketches funnier than their censored versions, the algorithm subsitution is honestly genuinely funnier
      it helps that it’s a description of an action rather than “unalive” or “k*ll”

    • @DLH112
      @DLH112 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@seant1326 defeat ganon no SRM

    • @pa-pa-plasma
      @pa-pa-plasma 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      pretty sure "push ganon in front of an SUV" will be a TotK speedrun, & if it isn't i'll make it myself

  • @lukaskubik4698
    @lukaskubik4698 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1457

    That GDQ couch has seen some stuff through its life. A true legendary artefact of the gamer category.

    • @Tikimoe
      @Tikimoe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +158

      "I would prefer if you would be quiet."

    • @HiddenMeadowMus
      @HiddenMeadowMus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@Tikimoe But yes you are correct.

    • @theotherjared9824
      @theotherjared9824 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

      The casting couch has a cleaner record.

    • @RobotDeathMonkey
      @RobotDeathMonkey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      @@theotherjared9824 and is less sticky

    • @rambol1881
      @rambol1881 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      It should be examined with a blacklight

  • @Rexxxed
    @Rexxxed 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +925

    That ACE part at the end is legitimately insane. The fact that you can program ALL OF THAT IN THE FUCKING GAME ON THE FLY is absolutely BLOWING MY MIND

    • @mrjoe5292
      @mrjoe5292 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

      It's crazy to me that people could be upset about it. I watched the video the other day and they were generally pretty clear about what was beta content that they had reintroduced, though maybe they could have been clearer about what they had done themselves to frame the content. I guess watching it knowing it was ACE before-hand may have helped, but overall I don't feel like they were misleading anyone, they were upfront about what was happening and how it was being done. And I'm nowhere near an expert on these things and broadly understood what was going on.
      Pet peeve of mine when people make assumptions then feel like they've been mislead somehow. I don't think the team was trying to mislead anyone, in fact they did their best to be clear about what was happening.

    • @guy-sl3kr
      @guy-sl3kr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

      @@mrjoe5292 I agree, it seems like many people just didn't understand what ACE is. The accusations saying that it was a romhack are kinda funny I mean, it's arbitrary code execution... The game doesn't need to be hacked when you can program literally anything onto it.

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      All 1s and 0s
      Afaik, they created the patch with a program on a PC, then coded a simple patcher with the controller in-game
      Then the bot would read the code from the patch and write it bit by bit

    • @beebs4283
      @beebs4283 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      it’s one of the most incredible gaming feats i have ever witnessed and i am booing all naysayers from the sidelines. good god that stuff is incredible

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I guess because I was following ZFG at that time none of it was a surprise and I understood quite well what was what. It is an amazing feat and the critics are dumb.

  • @Shad0wed
    @Shad0wed 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1076

    Alright, now all we need is The Many Scandals of Sonic the Hedgehog speedrunning to finish the holy triforce of popular series speedrunning.

    • @NrettG
      @NrettG 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      I just realized I've never seen any speedruns of Sonic games, is there any notable controversy's or any speedrun's that you would count must watch material?

    • @ekki1993
      @ekki1993 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      Don't make ManyKudos research Sonic, he will fall into a rabbit hole and we won't see a non-Sonic video for years.

    • @Sonamyfan875
      @Sonamyfan875 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@ekki1993 Or Rabbot's hole. 😏

    • @Yeard491
      @Yeard491 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, he can talk about how Mike89 fucked his brother’s girlfriend xd

    • @Tinil0
      @Tinil0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I've never even heard of sonic speedrunning. I mean, I am sure it exists, but to call it popular is pretty silly. Unless you were just trying to say that sonic is popular like mario and zelda which...was technically true 25+ years ago, but the only people that think so now are the weird sonic kids.

  • @Keaks_
    @Keaks_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

    Zelda speedrunners been real quiet since the 30 seconds this video was posted.

    • @loubloom1941
      @loubloom1941 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      They scared

    • @cloudacorn
      @cloudacorn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      zfg in the mud

  • @SJ9001
    @SJ9001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

    "Mandelorian Effect"
    I actively sat there and felt the gears turning in my mind for a good few seconds before I knew what you were even talking about

    • @FatherTime89
      @FatherTime89 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      What do you mean it's always been called the Mandelorian Effect. It was named after that guy from prison

    • @sarifdeji8639
      @sarifdeji8639 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@FatherTime89 Nelson Mandelorian, good guy, he died in prison back in the 90s tho

    • @FatherTime89
      @FatherTime89 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @sarifdeji8639 I remember that. I was watching the Berenstein Bears when I heard. If I had a monocle like that Monopoly guy, it would've popped right off my face.

    • @CaptainThief
      @CaptainThief 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You are just a cornucopia of analogies, like the one in the fruit of the loom logo!

  • @sevensins3584
    @sevensins3584 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +282

    you make very unimportant events about nerds bickering seem like crucial milestones in history. love it

    • @Shenaldrac
      @Shenaldrac 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's like Stalin said: The death of a thousand is statistic. The cheating of one man is tragedy.

  • @acetrigger1337
    @acetrigger1337 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +379

    Speedrunning is the one subject that can go from fascinating all the way to petty and pathetic.

    • @leftysheppey
      @leftysheppey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's a lot of autistic people in the speedrunning community, and autistic people aren't known for their great conversion or social skills

    • @j.2512
      @j.2512 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      more like its always pathetic, even when its fascinating its still pretty pathetic

    • @FearlessLeader2001
      @FearlessLeader2001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      This video had "scandals" that were noticeably less pathetic than all the other ones. Like the WoW, MtG, and Smash scandals are so much more fucked up lol

    • @derp195
      @derp195 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      ​​@@j.2512 How is playing a game really quickly always pathetic? It's like saying being really good at chess is pathetic, or any other competitive activity, really.

    • @hikari67
      @hikari67 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I've long lost that fascinating part. It's just pathetic.

  • @BR-ty3hx
    @BR-ty3hx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +308

    I'm laughing way too hard at the quick piss joke

    • @aaronmelgar7116
      @aaronmelgar7116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Expeditious micturition

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Is there a speedrun category for the quickest piss?

    • @BR-ty3hx
      @BR-ty3hx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @Korhol you've just sparked the greatest idea...but imagine the cheating methods

  • @bighatbondquo863
    @bighatbondquo863 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    People getting mad that they were duped or tricked by the TASBot ACE thing really need to chill. Those reddit comments sounded like they came from people who'd built a career doing public speaking tours based on false information, and not someone who watched a TH-cam video that they skipped the start of.

  • @TheTGOAC
    @TheTGOAC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    Didnt speedrunners figure out to play the entire Ocarina of Time in 5 minutes from a demo of it in a different game? Some crazy stuff there.great video many kudos to you sir.

    • @CommanderWiggins
      @CommanderWiggins 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Yup, the demo of it in Smash Bros Brawl.

    • @TheTGOAC
      @TheTGOAC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@CommanderWiggins that's wild it's gotta take so much time to get that good at it

    • @JimMilton-ej6zi
      @JimMilton-ej6zi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's not really speedrunners per se that did it, but SRM coders, basically people that just tell the game "hey do X thing" and the game does X thing, with everyone else just watching on

  • @Txrje
    @Txrje 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    I do wanna point out that the RNG-based debris in the cutscene was actually the main reason, his recording software was laggy but it wasn't remotely laggy enough to account for the time difference we saw! The length of that cutscene can vary, usually between high 1:09 and mid 1:11 or so, but in extreme cases it can go even further.
    Also damn the way I tweeted when I was 16 was somewhat hard to read LOL
    The FastWii meme lives on to this day though, 7 years later

    • @Visceral2096
      @Visceral2096 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Maybe the rng would be more consistent if Nintendo hade a fast wii like you

    • @MegaRazorback
      @MegaRazorback 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The random speed up and slow down of that particular recording software is rather bad though from what i've seen of it, can be as little as 5 seconds but can sometimes slow down for 30+ seconds at a time without it being really noticed as in it's slowed down to the point you think it's taking longer than it should but just chalk it up to a bottleneck in system resources.

  • @mrtesticlease4638
    @mrtesticlease4638 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +283

    i remember when that first one went down and i was like "dude, has everyone in the speedrunning community never noticed the explosions coming from the castle are randomized??? i thought that was pretty obvious given all the times i've played this game, that explosion looks different and the amount of lag in the cutscene changes a bit each playthrough. this isn't rocket science and it's absurd that guy was even accused of cheating when this was a very easily provable thing that happens frequently in the game.

    • @Co1010z
      @Co1010z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Did you even watch the video? That wasn’t the main cause of the time difference.

    • @Grime101
      @Grime101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      i saw you chat at the nintendo treehouse for totk

    • @JimMilton-ej6zi
      @JimMilton-ej6zi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Reminds me of that time a guy was forced to give up his amazing xbox and quit speedrunning just because the community was full of idiots that didn't understand that some xbox versions have a faster disc drive, so they basically bullied a kid out of his hobby and took his amazing console just because they were too stupid to understand basic things.

    • @shiftfire4511
      @shiftfire4511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​​@Co1010z Well, it's a pretty significant chunk that does exonerate the accused.
      Honestly, though, simple side-by-side comparisons of other videos of the cutscene to both would have revealed the truth, and that something was fucky on the accuser's part.

    • @coolman6139
      @coolman6139 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@JimMilton-ej6zi sounds interesting.
      Anyway to actual find story?

  • @non_brewed_condiment
    @non_brewed_condiment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    I love Manys Candals, honestly the best series.

    • @fiblin483
      @fiblin483 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I prefer Gwyneth's candle

    • @ManyKudos
      @ManyKudos  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Merch idea?

    • @non_brewed_condiment
      @non_brewed_condiment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ManyKudos I would 100% wear that

    • @MDLuffy1234YT
      @MDLuffy1234YT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ManyKudos I would 100% use that as a nut rag.

    • @favoritemustard3542
      @favoritemustard3542 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ManyKudos candy sandals that come with a candle FTW

  • @iank472
    @iank472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +303

    Gotta give huge props to Geologie for sponsoring you again after they saw the flesh room! Love the ad sections and the effort you put into them mate!

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey if internet historian can get away from dark colored kkk nord man, this man can get away with flesh looking bathrooms

  • @MarioLuigi0404
    @MarioLuigi0404 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    18:26 “Push Ganon in Front of an SUV” got me good lmao

    • @goroakechi6126
      @goroakechi6126 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I guess it’s much more reliable, if nothing else.

  • @BadWallaby
    @BadWallaby 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    When you said he had a fast wii I genuinely thought you meant he took a quick piss during the speedrun LMAO

    • @Txrje
      @Txrje 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The cutscene is technically long enough to where could have done that, I should've made that joke back lmao

    • @BadWallaby
      @BadWallaby 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Txrje that would have been EPIC haha imagine years later no one knows for sure if it was a quick piss or a quick wii LOL

  • @beebs4283
    @beebs4283 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    when i showed my mom a speedrun involving ACE, we both collectively agreed that it is literal magic

  • @Nocturne989
    @Nocturne989 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

    I never got the controversy with the savestate thing. They literally started it off with an explanation that it was an ACE showcase and then an explanation of how ACE works and what it does. Then they ramped their way up from using ACE to dig up beta content to using ACE to introduce custom N64 stuff to really blowing the lid off by using ACE to recreate BotW in N64 and read fucking Twitch chat. Its not like the beta content and custom content were all mixed together; they actively led with beta and then did the rumor stuff. If you missed the initial explanation and came in late, that isn't their fault for not explaining it. You just missed the introduction.

    • @chainswordcs
      @chainswordcs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      i love it when people just don't pay attention or skip the first half of the vod and then are confused

    • @Sodier402
      @Sodier402 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      They spent the entire ensuring the audience that it is cut beta content. And the real beta content is dispersed through the original content. The models and concept from the unicorn room for example are real, but their existence in the game isnt.

    • @Nocturne989
      @Nocturne989 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@Sodier402 No they didn't I've been watching TASbot on GDQ live since 2012 and I saw this live from front to back. They were clear in their presentation and I literally had no idea this controversy even existed until this video dropped and told me. No one I've ever spoken to has had any confusion regarding this...even the people I showed the vods too afterwards who watched the whole thing.

    • @Sodier402
      @Sodier402 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Nocturne989 You can watch the run and again see youre wrong lol.

    • @Nocturne989
      @Nocturne989 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@Sodier402 So to you it is more likely that every one of us (the majority you can look at like/dislike on the GDQ vid) who literally watched it live and understood what was going on amd showed other people after the fact who also had no troble understanding it are all lying just to make you look dumb? Were a giant cabal of liars here to get you?
      Or maybe you just missed something or misinterpreted something or misunderstood something. You act like I didn't watch it lol. You just didn't understand something. Heck, the likes on my comments, a third party comment agreeing with me, and your comments literally paint the same picture. No one has agreed with you.

  • @welpppppppppppppp
    @welpppppppppppppp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    That unregistered hypercam footage went to full motion cd rom real fast. Great edit

  • @thebadshave503
    @thebadshave503 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I can think of nothing more accurate to speedrunners on Reddit than being given an hour long, amazing tribute to the community and going 'yes but how can I find a way to be upset about it?'

  • @RyoCanCan
    @RyoCanCan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    ZFG is absolutely right about the accessibility. You can run with emulators, wiivc, nso and even original hardware that are WAY more accessible to runners rather than the iQue.

  • @luheartswarm4573
    @luheartswarm4573 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    that's the thing, you gotta fucking love the guys on the TAS team
    they are so creative and whenever they show up they steal the show

  • @comfyghost
    @comfyghost 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    18:20 i just want to admit, i'm so used to joke and meme categories, that i genuinely believed "push ganon in front of an suv" was a category, until i decided to actually check if it was real, only to be infinitely disappointed.

  • @Karak12357
    @Karak12357 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Was gonna skip the ad, then you called me out by name... the terror of a man calling my name in a skin room paralyzed me long enough for you to read the whole thing. Good job.

  • @ph03nixflame
    @ph03nixflame 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Great vid and fair coverage too. The TASBot OoT run was seriously amazing to see live, I guess I was lucky enough to understand the jargon and pieced together that it was mostly a love letter (and seriously neat segment) to the infinite amount of rumors that were rampant in Ye Olde Internet Days.

    • @Yamchump36
      @Yamchump36 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I didn't see it live, but honestly, seeing what they were able to pull off using ACE was incredible. Too bad there were people watching who didn't understand the fact that the whole run was basically a love letter to the community.

    • @BaconNuke
      @BaconNuke 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Yamchump36 I still don't get it.. what was actually pulled up by ACE and what wasn't (I know the BOTW stuff obviously wasn't) and how did they inject new stuff in if apparently it was still a real N64 and cartridge?

    • @Yamchump36
      @Yamchump36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@BaconNuke Basically, they trick the game into entering a state where inputs on the controller act as executable code on the cartridge, so by performing specific inputs, they can basically write their own programs, and even alter the game files to give us everything we saw in the video. If I remember correctly, I believe the first instance of ACE that we see in the video was the Arwing.

    • @BaconNuke
      @BaconNuke 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Yamchump36 So somehow via controller inputs they programmed in twitch integration on the fly?

    • @Yamchump36
      @Yamchump36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@BaconNuke seems that way

  • @Loot_Bugs
    @Loot_Bugs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Speedrunning is especially popular in New Zeland because, as we all know, time moves faster over there

  • @leminjapan
    @leminjapan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Man the sponsors must finally be paying him his worth cause he's not even making fun of them anymore

  • @gorp2116
    @gorp2116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    I remember having to watch that GDQ Triforce thing a couple times over to figure out exactly what was dug up from the cart and what was theoretical but I thought I had just missed something, I didn't know other people had the same problem

  • @SlasherLink119
    @SlasherLink119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Genuinely surprised Amiibos weren't just immediately banned or separated to a diff category...It feels like a common sense thing to disallow or at least ban duplicates...

  • @Conspirachu
    @Conspirachu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Imagine going to a magic show, seeing someone get sawed in half, and your mind is blown. Then your mom tells you its just a trick. Your only option is clearly to wail about the deception on reddit.

  • @Sterl500
    @Sterl500 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    You know, if you had a shorts channel you should call it MiniKudos.

    • @Sterl500
      @Sterl500 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just a thought that came to mind as I heard you pronounce your channel name with the accent. Now I'll finish the video.

  • @Zeru64_
    @Zeru64_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Amazing, I was really expecting this video and loved its coverage.
    One of the things I missed was the "glitchless" drama.
    You know it was a real drama when glitchless, glitch-less, bug limit, restricted, unrestricted, glitchless any% and All Main Quest were all names coined during that era and comes from the "same" category, lol
    (Also, the TSA Sub 5 run, for the boomers out there 😅)

  • @dfgdfg_
    @dfgdfg_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    The tasbot savestate run was beautiful.

  • @Astradi
    @Astradi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Given how other game communities address things like peripherals, and time differences in language...I am confused as to why this was an issue.
    Like any competitive setting, you do need to arbitrate some set of standards.
    For most games, Amiibos are just free resources, and are not a component of game balance. Meaning they should be excluded unless needed otherwise. (Ex. Ganondorf's amiibo and Twilight Princess/Windwaker damage increase.) Testing how quickly someone can swipe a card across their switch controller is not relevant to their ability to play the game.
    Other communities have also arbitrated to hold the clock during cutscenes and fixed conversations. Completely removing the "faster language" issue.
    The severity of these concerns seems invented due to a lack of overall standardization.

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Speedruns are about going fast, not skill or fairness
      They should have been a separate category from the beggining
      But when you run a game that was not meant to be competitive, you cannot complain about this kind of stuff

  • @hashbrown777
    @hashbrown777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    20:45 "the pause menu seems to imply that the triforce is obtainable", uh those triangles obviously look raised, not recessed slots for the surrounding circles. Look at bright vs dark sides of the hexagonal lines both connecting and surrounding the circles. One is carved in, the other depicts a raised platform.
    The triforce is simply decorative here

    • @jelyse14
      @jelyse14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, its more obvious that its raised by checking a screenshot without the medallions obtained. Compared to the medallion spaces its quite obviously raised vs the medallion spaces being recessed.

  • @dwangoAC
    @dwangoAC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Just so it's clear, we did not use TASBot to put a McDonald's into OoT, but we indeed could have, heh

  • @amanofnoreputation2164
    @amanofnoreputation2164 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    "It's pizza time" should be the universal anthem of speedrunners.

  • @garthmarenghi9040
    @garthmarenghi9040 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Triforce % is the OoT version of someone deciding that they were gonna glitch reality to make Santa real.

  • @areoblast43o9
    @areoblast43o9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Wasn't expecting too see Triforce% on here and honestly didn't realize there was some controversy with it but it makes me happy that most people got enjoyment out of it. I got too help do a lil animation and blocking out for the Breathe of the Wild segment.
    Was awesome too be a part of something that made so many people happy and seeing people still talk about it.

    • @Sauraen
      @Sauraen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice to see you here!

    • @areoblast43o9
      @areoblast43o9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sauraen Awesome too see you here as well boss. 🫡
      Thanks again for making something so awesome and epic and letting me play a tiny part in it.

    • @Sauraen
      @Sauraen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@areoblast43o9 Sure! Thanks for asking me to arrange music for your project so many years ago!

  • @jamesdrummond7684
    @jamesdrummond7684 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "So if it wasn't the Wiis, what Wiis it?"
    This is why they pay you the big bucks

  • @goofygiraffe5434
    @goofygiraffe5434 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Top content! Loved the part about the Zelda speedrunning!

  • @enzoofelba
    @enzoofelba 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That Unregistered Hypercam 2 watermark hit me right in the 2000s

    • @Addiethunder
      @Addiethunder 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A sign of quality back in the early days! :D

  • @gimmedat5541
    @gimmedat5541 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I love the legend of Zelda series. The puzzles were so simple but i felt like the smartest person solving them :)

  • @HollandTHG
    @HollandTHG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The GDQ Zelda Celebration was an amazing and beautiful segment, and the people that threw a fit about it were just mad that they were reminded of their own lack of common sense and basic reasoning.

  • @FearlessLeader2001
    @FearlessLeader2001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love how tame this video is. Why are LoZ speedrunners so wholesome? The actual saints of the speedrunninh community

  • @mdioxd9200
    @mdioxd9200 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nelson Mandalorian, my favorite world leader 💯

  • @95JakX
    @95JakX 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Considering karl jobsts' sense of humour you could bring him on beef boys or even collab on speedrunning if you were to do more s/r many scandals

  • @LaPollaAtomica
    @LaPollaAtomica 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like the video, "Mad Katz tried to recreate a Dreamcast" is downright funny as an iQue descriptor. Just a slight thing: it's a bit of a misconception that a Chinese character in Mandarin Chinese is the equivalent of an entire English word. That said, it's only because there's quite a few two character words, and some rarer three character words. The rule of thumb is about 1.5 Chinese characters to an English word. It doesn't really change that Chinese characters take up less space on a page or in a text box, especially since a word one or two character word will take up 2 or 4 spaces on the computer since they're often typed out full-width, as opposed to however many letters, doubly so since even though spaces and punctuation are also full-width, they're used more sparingly in Chinese compared to English. This is why Chinese papers and books tend to be fewer pages even though there's more discrete words: fewer characters (as in letters and junk) required.
    Let's get into some math to say more exactly why Chinese is often faster for speedruns. It is still relevant here, as it is in the original Resident Evil 3 speedrunning since there's an official PC release from Taiwan of that game. So a 1000 word English essay might be roughly 3 pages double-spaced. The Chinese equivalent would be around 1500 characters and about 2 pages. OoT, as you said, prints out the text one character at a time so Chinese is faster. That might seem weird to some people reading this since alphabets are different to the Chinese logographs and we're not used to thinking about written language that way. I also don't have the visual aid of the video. But anyway, 1000 words in English is going to be roughly 4000-5000 characters. Assuming a constant ratio 3:1 characters (4500/1500) and assuming a consistent rate of text printing between versions, we can then assume that Chinese will be about 3 times faster on average. There is a weakness in this calculation in that it doesn't count spaces or punctuation though.
    To use an actual, albeit simple example, compare "I like you." with its three words to Chinese “我喜歡你。” (*Note, "like" actually turned into the two middle characters because it's a two character word) First, we'll count spaces and punctuation, that brings "I like you." to a total of 11. ”我喜歡你。“ is actually 5 by this metric. What looks like a space after the full stop is not. It's a result of using full-width characters. Seriously, you can check by highlighting it and copy/pasting somewhere else to delete or whatever. It just has it's own personal space built-in. Anyway, again assuming the game prints the text at the same character per second speed across versions, we would expect the Chinese text to finish about 2.2 times faster than English. If we change the expression to "I love you." we can get it down to four total characters, which would be 2.75 times faster.

  • @TriforceChad
    @TriforceChad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My favorite ACE "speedrun" is the run of pokemon yellow you can find here on TH-cam. Its INSANE

  • @UltravioletNomad
    @UltravioletNomad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I feel a lot of the people who complained about the TASBot either don't fully appreciate or still don't understand how amazing the showcase was. When they said, this is an original cart, they meant it. It IS a ROMhack, but the it didn't start as a romhack, TASBot was using ACE to inject code into a standard cart, it was effectively BUILDING a ROM hack in real time with just controller inputs. The fact that some of this data wasn't in the cart at all just makes the ACE injection that much more impressive. Either they don't understand what that means, or they're mad that their 30 minutes of validation wasn't real. It all being beta content would technically be the least impressive aspect of that showcase and all they care about is getting their own misconception ripped away from them. Shouldn't that be a good thing, one last chance to feel that mysterious childlike wonder for an old school rumor that you should have known was fake, I'd give anything for that, and instead that money went to charity.

    • @blackroberts6290
      @blackroberts6290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have seen a video of someone ACE-ing a pong game on Pokemon Emerald, so cool.

    • @derp195
      @derp195 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah, it's really sad to see people basically doing magic on an N64, only for dumb angry redditors to get upset about it.
      It's like, sorry you missed the whole point, but you missed the whole point.

    • @devilord3271
      @devilord3271 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How did they get brand new models and textures in there if it started as an original cart?

    • @derp195
      @derp195 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@devilord3271 models and textures are just code. If you can inject whatever code you want, you can basically do anything the hardware allows for.

    • @chainswordcs
      @chainswordcs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@devilord3271 more specifically, any piece of digital data can be representated as binary (a series of 1s and 0s, or bytes which are just sets of 8 bits)
      if they have complete ACE, complete control over the game, they can effectively run custom code that they specify, like writing custom data into RAM and then reading that data as a texture or model or what have you

  • @natwafakidna8234
    @natwafakidna8234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh my god that ACE part was ridiculously cool! Screw the haters

  • @yourhighschoolenglishteach8405
    @yourhighschoolenglishteach8405 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    18:24 i really wanted “push ganon in front of an SUV” to be a real category

  • @Fourside__
    @Fourside__ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    your videos are so entertaining, really happy everytime you upload! keep grinding brother

  • @ThatDudeWithBoobs
    @ThatDudeWithBoobs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can't wait to see the insane strats and times coming up after today for ToTK

  • @ClassicBentobox
    @ClassicBentobox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thanks for pointing out the AGDQ run I’m glad I didn’t miss that

  • @MrZer093
    @MrZer093 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You know, there’s been many youtubers out there that do the “call the viewer by a specific name to spook a few of them” joke (look at you Click) but this was the first time my name got called out and it was for a goddamn ad read for skin care lol

  • @duncancreamer8251
    @duncancreamer8251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He made an unexpected unregistered hypercam 2 joke, give him 10 million subs.

  • @bobmanperson599
    @bobmanperson599 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love these speedeun documentaries

  • @polocatfan
    @polocatfan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't understand a lot of speedrun arguments as most of them can just be solved by making a seperate category.

  • @davidroot118
    @davidroot118 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fastly becoming my favorite TH-camr. Informative videos about nerdy topics that I'm quite interested in, and hilarious to boot. The quick piss joke made me laugh like a 9 year old for a solid three minutes lol.

  • @freakwent6209
    @freakwent6209 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Just starting watching your videos mate, keep up the good work, I love this format of content!

  • @FAVOURITEBRO
    @FAVOURITEBRO 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man speed runners always look like such tools xD

    • @thegarf5677
      @thegarf5677 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/users/shortsesJfd-b4r24?feature=share

  • @gary_asher472
    @gary_asher472 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    loved the commentary! thank you for the video. :)

  • @Saintrofl
    @Saintrofl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cosmo ique arc of oot speedrunning was truly peak speedrunning era lmao

  • @birdwaveracing9
    @birdwaveracing9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Maybe I'm revealing how terminally online I am but Kudos, Peach Cobbler, Munecat, and Ordinary Things all dropping videos on the same day the TOTK reviews drop has me froffing in my seat. It's a bloody good day on TH-cam.

    • @fireflybutton1939
      @fireflybutton1939 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      From the mouth right...? From the mouth right?! 👀

    • @birdwaveracing9
      @birdwaveracing9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fireflybutton1939 I decline to comment at this time

  • @JungleKluya
    @JungleKluya 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I find it funny how I discovered you through internet historian and these videos are getting better and better every upload so now I'm hyped when I see one. Good job you beefy some bitch

  • @Ron-nr8lw
    @Ron-nr8lw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Surprised the time that in a link to the past speedrun was found out to be spliced years later when the game was finally cracked and it turned out that the random pattern the first and final bosses use aren’t entirely random but pseudo random and they share the token didn’t make it in

  • @lightdreamer_
    @lightdreamer_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here Together still gives me chills. I remember watching it live and crying

  • @ai1410
    @ai1410 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I feel like most of these scandals are so simply solved by adding categories. I don't get why the community is ao against that.

    • @BimmyRee
      @BimmyRee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Same. It's immediately obvious to me that the iQue should be in its own separate category. This sort of thing seems to happen in a lot of speedrunning communities and I don't understand why.

    • @KaneYork
      @KaneYork 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Too many categories kills your soul

    • @Drianikaben
      @Drianikaben 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      the speedrunning community is already niche. and those actually at a competitive level are even more niche. you take a 200 runner category, with 20 actually competitive players, and then split the category in half, and now you have 2 100 runner categories, with 10/10. and that's best case scenario. cuz more likely it'll be 15/5.

  • @DavidJCobb
    @DavidJCobb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    oh wow, i actually remember triforce%. super impressive showcase. i had no idea it led to a controversy
    it was _really_ weird and kind of cringe that they mixed in beta content with what was effectively heaps upon heaps of fanfic that wasn't clearly distinguished as such, but it doesn't seem worth actually getting mad over. sounds like a weird situation all around

    • @chandlerkolberg8477
      @chandlerkolberg8477 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Except they did tell them. What do you think inserting code into a game means my dude?

    • @MarbleVirus
      @MarbleVirus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@chandlerkolberg8477 I love how you seem to believe you understand how ACE works while not understanding how it really works.

  • @aetherreed6007
    @aetherreed6007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Woo, my fav Zelda speed runner was talked about in this. ZFG for life. Gonna go watch some of streams that I missed on his VOD channel later lol

  • @jeremyriley1238
    @jeremyriley1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Seeing the Triforce% run, I immediately figured out it was not real (especially when the ending took place in the time of Breath of the Wild, a game that would not exist at the time of Ocarina of Time) and was a showcase GDQ allowed as it was done for fun by programming the game and adding in new elements that incorporated all those playground rumors that were popular before the internet was the place to spread video game rumors.

  • @cardboardorigins
    @cardboardorigins 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Speedrunners aren't completing it as fast as they can because they hate it, they're trying to experience it as many times as possible in one lifetime

    • @KWBR1123
      @KWBR1123 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’m not sure if you get the joke or not

  • @JK-gm6kk
    @JK-gm6kk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How does this man not have at least 500k?!
    Edit- i do think mans brain is like 70% euphamisms and analogies

  • @augustmadsen5322
    @augustmadsen5322 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you think ace is insane in ocarina of time, wait until you hear about paper Mario. In paper Mario they do an ace setup in ocarina of time to do a credit warp in paper Mario.

  • @BloodPlusPwn
    @BloodPlusPwn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I didn't even know the ACE thing caused a stir, fucking weirdos. That was one of the coolest video game related things I've seen in awhile.

  • @beebs4283
    @beebs4283 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    now that you’ve brought up the subject of the ique i’d just like to point out that ive seen “ique localization” listed in the credits of several official switch games made by nintendo but have literally never seen anyone mention it before. i have so many unanswered questions

  • @revilno
    @revilno 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I love the many Effeminate Outifits of Zelda

    • @amberhide04
      @amberhide04 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      they truly are the best

  • @Jhoto
    @Jhoto 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    first time watching your videos and i love the humor so far. subbed !

  • @sana-chan6912
    @sana-chan6912 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally you're getting the attention you deserve. Your quality content used to have less than 100k views and I was like "bruh"...

  • @pasteghost428
    @pasteghost428 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The man who shows us an embarrassing childhood photo of such exceptional awkwardness is a man who could definitely Speedrun Zelda Honorably yet competitively.

  • @damnumonkeyballs
    @damnumonkeyballs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    As i play breath of the wild tears of the kingdom, i listen to you serenade me with hilarious facts. What a time to be alive.

  • @Meteorlink
    @Meteorlink 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    much like any time i get for drunning a game, the puns in this video are off the charts, well done

  • @Drakkona123
    @Drakkona123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want you to know I watched that whole segment just for the McDonalds temple that you lied about and it was still one of the best segments from GDQ I've ever seen, definitely checking out this year's

  • @jaxsonbateman
    @jaxsonbateman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm surprised RunnerGuy would say the Japanese version of the cart is a weird middle ground. No, it's the fastest available *on original hardware*.
    There are typically two types of speedrun categories - those that allow emulation, and those that don't. The iQue would fit in the emulation category, because it's not original hardware. And in that case, it's probably fine, as could its hardware really be so powerful as to compete with modern computer hardware?
    And indeed, while they do allow emulation on the leaderboards, they don't allow it for times within 10% of the record. So it's basically a "hey, you can show off your speedruns done with an emulator, but if you want to compete at the top you have to use some form of official hardware".
    If you're going to allow some random Chinese knock off console, then you're basically opening the door to allowing anyone to design their own speedrun maximised console. Which, is fine, as long as the category allows emulators (at which point, you'd just use a PC).

    • @Runnerguy2489
      @Runnerguy2489 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not the JP cart really, it was the hacking of the Wii and using JP there that bothered me more. I used the english version as that was the one most of people my age grew up with and had access to. Looking at things like ebay now, the JP version is actually more accessible, and therefore, I have switched to using that, for the same argument (it's the one most people could get their hands on today). However, you are correct about my stance on original hardware - the iQue, the Wii, the Switch, the future 5 consoles Nintendo will release this game of (some might be slower, but some might be faster)...those are all emulation and I don't speedrun on those.
      My stance on the iQue was a bit of a troll. I don't think I even finished a run on it. I had heard for years from people playing on Wii "it's the fastest, deal with it" - fine, speedrun your inaccurate emulation. But then all of a sudden there is a faster console and now they say "hang on, going the fastest isn't everything" which felt hypocritical.

  • @KremBotop
    @KremBotop 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Time to bust that Zelda song that's definitely not by System of a Down 😎

  • @Bluestar-wb9qx
    @Bluestar-wb9qx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    surprised he didnt mention TSR, but then again, his antics are pretty well-documented.

  • @repowerrobert
    @repowerrobert 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did everyone’s ad say it was for Robert????
    - An ACTUAL (spooked) Robert

  • @agent_star
    @agent_star 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    trust reddit to get that buthurt over a joke that was actually good

  • @guilhermepessoa3594
    @guilhermepessoa3594 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Redditors hate fun.

  • @jasonbarry3301
    @jasonbarry3301 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This happens any time dwango does anything as of late. He’s way too entertained by his own shenanigans and doesn’t know where the line is let alone when he crosses it

  • @n00bJesus
    @n00bJesus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The process, execution, and finding the strat to begin with makes ACE incredible. But nothing compares to watching skater scream and hyperventilate as he clutches clipping into the castle at the end of a run.

  • @Ikcatcher
    @Ikcatcher 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It took me halfway through the first segment to realise the scandal wasn’t about someone taking a piss during a soeedrun

  • @robpogi
    @robpogi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    stop stalking me

  • @CordyBrush
    @CordyBrush 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fact that the iQue lost because it couldn't store enough memory is almost poetic! 😂😂😂

  • @night1952
    @night1952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    On the Amiibos, they're straight up cheats, do speedruns for games like GTA accept cheats? At least in that case it's something that's in the game, not an extra you have to buy. Imagine how bad it'd be if that was allowed in a game with 1 time purchases and you had to buy the premium stuff each tie you want to do a run.

  • @muttipi
    @muttipi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    people getting angry at the triforce rom hack is like people who asked how you could play HLVRAI or told wayner to just play the game, it’s such a goofy thing to get angry about after all that effort.