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Relating to that was beef boys clip, you said he was alive before gay meaning homosexual and the name Hitler being iffy, however he died in 1947, when Hitler was already dead, and gay was starting to mean "likes men"
@@KarazolaX honestly, like cases where censor bleeps make certain comedy sketches funnier than their censored versions, the algorithm subsitution is honestly genuinely funnier it helps that it’s a description of an action rather than “unalive” or “k*ll”
That ACE part at the end is legitimately insane. The fact that you can program ALL OF THAT IN THE FUCKING GAME ON THE FLY is absolutely BLOWING MY MIND
It's crazy to me that people could be upset about it. I watched the video the other day and they were generally pretty clear about what was beta content that they had reintroduced, though maybe they could have been clearer about what they had done themselves to frame the content. I guess watching it knowing it was ACE before-hand may have helped, but overall I don't feel like they were misleading anyone, they were upfront about what was happening and how it was being done. And I'm nowhere near an expert on these things and broadly understood what was going on. Pet peeve of mine when people make assumptions then feel like they've been mislead somehow. I don't think the team was trying to mislead anyone, in fact they did their best to be clear about what was happening.
@@mrjoe5292 I agree, it seems like many people just didn't understand what ACE is. The accusations saying that it was a romhack are kinda funny I mean, it's arbitrary code execution... The game doesn't need to be hacked when you can program literally anything onto it.
All 1s and 0s Afaik, they created the patch with a program on a PC, then coded a simple patcher with the controller in-game Then the bot would read the code from the patch and write it bit by bit
I guess because I was following ZFG at that time none of it was a surprise and I understood quite well what was what. It is an amazing feat and the critics are dumb.
I just realized I've never seen any speedruns of Sonic games, is there any notable controversy's or any speedrun's that you would count must watch material?
I've never even heard of sonic speedrunning. I mean, I am sure it exists, but to call it popular is pretty silly. Unless you were just trying to say that sonic is popular like mario and zelda which...was technically true 25+ years ago, but the only people that think so now are the weird sonic kids.
@sarifdeji8639 I remember that. I was watching the Berenstein Bears when I heard. If I had a monocle like that Monopoly guy, it would've popped right off my face.
I do wanna point out that the RNG-based debris in the cutscene was actually the main reason, his recording software was laggy but it wasn't remotely laggy enough to account for the time difference we saw! The length of that cutscene can vary, usually between high 1:09 and mid 1:11 or so, but in extreme cases it can go even further. Also damn the way I tweeted when I was 16 was somewhat hard to read LOL The FastWii meme lives on to this day though, 7 years later
The random speed up and slow down of that particular recording software is rather bad though from what i've seen of it, can be as little as 5 seconds but can sometimes slow down for 30+ seconds at a time without it being really noticed as in it's slowed down to the point you think it's taking longer than it should but just chalk it up to a bottleneck in system resources.
Didnt speedrunners figure out to play the entire Ocarina of Time in 5 minutes from a demo of it in a different game? Some crazy stuff there.great video many kudos to you sir.
It's not really speedrunners per se that did it, but SRM coders, basically people that just tell the game "hey do X thing" and the game does X thing, with everyone else just watching on
People getting mad that they were duped or tricked by the TASBot ACE thing really need to chill. Those reddit comments sounded like they came from people who'd built a career doing public speaking tours based on false information, and not someone who watched a TH-cam video that they skipped the start of.
This video had "scandals" that were noticeably less pathetic than all the other ones. Like the WoW, MtG, and Smash scandals are so much more fucked up lol
@@j.2512 How is playing a game really quickly always pathetic? It's like saying being really good at chess is pathetic, or any other competitive activity, really.
i remember when that first one went down and i was like "dude, has everyone in the speedrunning community never noticed the explosions coming from the castle are randomized??? i thought that was pretty obvious given all the times i've played this game, that explosion looks different and the amount of lag in the cutscene changes a bit each playthrough. this isn't rocket science and it's absurd that guy was even accused of cheating when this was a very easily provable thing that happens frequently in the game.
Reminds me of that time a guy was forced to give up his amazing xbox and quit speedrunning just because the community was full of idiots that didn't understand that some xbox versions have a faster disc drive, so they basically bullied a kid out of his hobby and took his amazing console just because they were too stupid to understand basic things.
@Co1010z Well, it's a pretty significant chunk that does exonerate the accused. Honestly, though, simple side-by-side comparisons of other videos of the cutscene to both would have revealed the truth, and that something was fucky on the accuser's part.
I never got the controversy with the savestate thing. They literally started it off with an explanation that it was an ACE showcase and then an explanation of how ACE works and what it does. Then they ramped their way up from using ACE to dig up beta content to using ACE to introduce custom N64 stuff to really blowing the lid off by using ACE to recreate BotW in N64 and read fucking Twitch chat. Its not like the beta content and custom content were all mixed together; they actively led with beta and then did the rumor stuff. If you missed the initial explanation and came in late, that isn't their fault for not explaining it. You just missed the introduction.
They spent the entire ensuring the audience that it is cut beta content. And the real beta content is dispersed through the original content. The models and concept from the unicorn room for example are real, but their existence in the game isnt.
@@Sodier402 No they didn't I've been watching TASbot on GDQ live since 2012 and I saw this live from front to back. They were clear in their presentation and I literally had no idea this controversy even existed until this video dropped and told me. No one I've ever spoken to has had any confusion regarding this...even the people I showed the vods too afterwards who watched the whole thing.
@@Sodier402 So to you it is more likely that every one of us (the majority you can look at like/dislike on the GDQ vid) who literally watched it live and understood what was going on amd showed other people after the fact who also had no troble understanding it are all lying just to make you look dumb? Were a giant cabal of liars here to get you? Or maybe you just missed something or misinterpreted something or misunderstood something. You act like I didn't watch it lol. You just didn't understand something. Heck, the likes on my comments, a third party comment agreeing with me, and your comments literally paint the same picture. No one has agreed with you.
I can think of nothing more accurate to speedrunners on Reddit than being given an hour long, amazing tribute to the community and going 'yes but how can I find a way to be upset about it?'
Great vid and fair coverage too. The TASBot OoT run was seriously amazing to see live, I guess I was lucky enough to understand the jargon and pieced together that it was mostly a love letter (and seriously neat segment) to the infinite amount of rumors that were rampant in Ye Olde Internet Days.
I didn't see it live, but honestly, seeing what they were able to pull off using ACE was incredible. Too bad there were people watching who didn't understand the fact that the whole run was basically a love letter to the community.
@@Yamchump36 I still don't get it.. what was actually pulled up by ACE and what wasn't (I know the BOTW stuff obviously wasn't) and how did they inject new stuff in if apparently it was still a real N64 and cartridge?
@@BaconNuke Basically, they trick the game into entering a state where inputs on the controller act as executable code on the cartridge, so by performing specific inputs, they can basically write their own programs, and even alter the game files to give us everything we saw in the video. If I remember correctly, I believe the first instance of ACE that we see in the video was the Arwing.
I remember having to watch that GDQ Triforce thing a couple times over to figure out exactly what was dug up from the cart and what was theoretical but I thought I had just missed something, I didn't know other people had the same problem
Imagine going to a magic show, seeing someone get sawed in half, and your mind is blown. Then your mom tells you its just a trick. Your only option is clearly to wail about the deception on reddit.
Amazing, I was really expecting this video and loved its coverage. One of the things I missed was the "glitchless" drama. You know it was a real drama when glitchless, glitch-less, bug limit, restricted, unrestricted, glitchless any% and All Main Quest were all names coined during that era and comes from the "same" category, lol (Also, the TSA Sub 5 run, for the boomers out there 😅)
ZFG is absolutely right about the accessibility. You can run with emulators, wiivc, nso and even original hardware that are WAY more accessible to runners rather than the iQue.
20:45 "the pause menu seems to imply that the triforce is obtainable", uh those triangles obviously look raised, not recessed slots for the surrounding circles. Look at bright vs dark sides of the hexagonal lines both connecting and surrounding the circles. One is carved in, the other depicts a raised platform. The triforce is simply decorative here
Yeah, its more obvious that its raised by checking a screenshot without the medallions obtained. Compared to the medallion spaces its quite obviously raised vs the medallion spaces being recessed.
Given how other game communities address things like peripherals, and time differences in language...I am confused as to why this was an issue. Like any competitive setting, you do need to arbitrate some set of standards. For most games, Amiibos are just free resources, and are not a component of game balance. Meaning they should be excluded unless needed otherwise. (Ex. Ganondorf's amiibo and Twilight Princess/Windwaker damage increase.) Testing how quickly someone can swipe a card across their switch controller is not relevant to their ability to play the game. Other communities have also arbitrated to hold the clock during cutscenes and fixed conversations. Completely removing the "faster language" issue. The severity of these concerns seems invented due to a lack of overall standardization.
Speedruns are about going fast, not skill or fairness They should have been a separate category from the beggining But when you run a game that was not meant to be competitive, you cannot complain about this kind of stuff
Wasn't expecting too see Triforce% on here and honestly didn't realize there was some controversy with it but it makes me happy that most people got enjoyment out of it. I got too help do a lil animation and blocking out for the Breathe of the Wild segment. Was awesome too be a part of something that made so many people happy and seeing people still talk about it.
I feel a lot of the people who complained about the TASBot either don't fully appreciate or still don't understand how amazing the showcase was. When they said, this is an original cart, they meant it. It IS a ROMhack, but the it didn't start as a romhack, TASBot was using ACE to inject code into a standard cart, it was effectively BUILDING a ROM hack in real time with just controller inputs. The fact that some of this data wasn't in the cart at all just makes the ACE injection that much more impressive. Either they don't understand what that means, or they're mad that their 30 minutes of validation wasn't real. It all being beta content would technically be the least impressive aspect of that showcase and all they care about is getting their own misconception ripped away from them. Shouldn't that be a good thing, one last chance to feel that mysterious childlike wonder for an old school rumor that you should have known was fake, I'd give anything for that, and instead that money went to charity.
Yeah, it's really sad to see people basically doing magic on an N64, only for dumb angry redditors to get upset about it. It's like, sorry you missed the whole point, but you missed the whole point.
@@devilord3271 more specifically, any piece of digital data can be representated as binary (a series of 1s and 0s, or bytes which are just sets of 8 bits) if they have complete ACE, complete control over the game, they can effectively run custom code that they specify, like writing custom data into RAM and then reading that data as a texture or model or what have you
Genuinely surprised Amiibos weren't just immediately banned or separated to a diff category...It feels like a common sense thing to disallow or at least ban duplicates...
Was gonna skip the ad, then you called me out by name... the terror of a man calling my name in a skin room paralyzed me long enough for you to read the whole thing. Good job.
18:20 i just want to admit, i'm so used to joke and meme categories, that i genuinely believed "push ganon in front of an suv" was a category, until i decided to actually check if it was real, only to be infinitely disappointed.
14:28 thats why theres tons of companies selling little plastic amiibo chips for a fraction of the price now. I got every single zelda amiibo chip for 9 bucks lol
oh wow, i actually remember triforce%. super impressive showcase. i had no idea it led to a controversy it was _really_ weird and kind of cringe that they mixed in beta content with what was effectively heaps upon heaps of fanfic that wasn't clearly distinguished as such, but it doesn't seem worth actually getting mad over. sounds like a weird situation all around
You know, there’s been many youtubers out there that do the “call the viewer by a specific name to spook a few of them” joke (look at you Click) but this was the first time my name got called out and it was for a goddamn ad read for skin care lol
The GDQ Zelda Celebration was an amazing and beautiful segment, and the people that threw a fit about it were just mad that they were reminded of their own lack of common sense and basic reasoning.
If you think ace is insane in ocarina of time, wait until you hear about paper Mario. In paper Mario they do an ace setup in ocarina of time to do a credit warp in paper Mario.
Same. It's immediately obvious to me that the iQue should be in its own separate category. This sort of thing seems to happen in a lot of speedrunning communities and I don't understand why.
the speedrunning community is already niche. and those actually at a competitive level are even more niche. you take a 200 runner category, with 20 actually competitive players, and then split the category in half, and now you have 2 100 runner categories, with 10/10. and that's best case scenario. cuz more likely it'll be 15/5.
The process, execution, and finding the strat to begin with makes ACE incredible. But nothing compares to watching skater scream and hyperventilate as he clutches clipping into the castle at the end of a run.
Maybe I'm revealing how terminally online I am but Kudos, Peach Cobbler, Munecat, and Ordinary Things all dropping videos on the same day the TOTK reviews drop has me froffing in my seat. It's a bloody good day on TH-cam.
Seeing the Triforce% run, I immediately figured out it was not real (especially when the ending took place in the time of Breath of the Wild, a game that would not exist at the time of Ocarina of Time) and was a showcase GDQ allowed as it was done for fun by programming the game and adding in new elements that incorporated all those playground rumors that were popular before the internet was the place to spread video game rumors.
I find it funny how I discovered you through internet historian and these videos are getting better and better every upload so now I'm hyped when I see one. Good job you beefy some bitch
My favourite Zelda speedrunning scandal is the one where that Zelda speedrunner said she was gonna shoot up the Twitch offices and then got banned and then inexplicably unbanned, what the fuck?
The ace thing was really cool but I do agree the BotW stuff at the end felt really out of place. Idk how anyone could’ve thought all that was built into OoT though even before the BotW part.
I'm surprised RunnerGuy would say the Japanese version of the cart is a weird middle ground. No, it's the fastest available *on original hardware*. There are typically two types of speedrun categories - those that allow emulation, and those that don't. The iQue would fit in the emulation category, because it's not original hardware. And in that case, it's probably fine, as could its hardware really be so powerful as to compete with modern computer hardware? And indeed, while they do allow emulation on the leaderboards, they don't allow it for times within 10% of the record. So it's basically a "hey, you can show off your speedruns done with an emulator, but if you want to compete at the top you have to use some form of official hardware". If you're going to allow some random Chinese knock off console, then you're basically opening the door to allowing anyone to design their own speedrun maximised console. Which, is fine, as long as the category allows emulators (at which point, you'd just use a PC).
Not the JP cart really, it was the hacking of the Wii and using JP there that bothered me more. I used the english version as that was the one most of people my age grew up with and had access to. Looking at things like ebay now, the JP version is actually more accessible, and therefore, I have switched to using that, for the same argument (it's the one most people could get their hands on today). However, you are correct about my stance on original hardware - the iQue, the Wii, the Switch, the future 5 consoles Nintendo will release this game of (some might be slower, but some might be faster)...those are all emulation and I don't speedrun on those. My stance on the iQue was a bit of a troll. I don't think I even finished a run on it. I had heard for years from people playing on Wii "it's the fastest, deal with it" - fine, speedrun your inaccurate emulation. But then all of a sudden there is a faster console and now they say "hang on, going the fastest isn't everything" which felt hypocritical.
Fastly becoming my favorite TH-camr. Informative videos about nerdy topics that I'm quite interested in, and hilarious to boot. The quick piss joke made me laugh like a 9 year old for a solid three minutes lol.
The man who shows us an embarrassing childhood photo of such exceptional awkwardness is a man who could definitely Speedrun Zelda Honorably yet competitively.
Surprised the time that in a link to the past speedrun was found out to be spliced years later when the game was finally cracked and it turned out that the random pattern the first and final bosses use aren’t entirely random but pseudo random and they share the token didn’t make it in
this is probably a sarcastic comment, but in case it isn't i want you to hear this, many people who speedrun games, myself include, do it because we like a game and want a new way to experience it after playing all of the content, i speedrun "The Worlds Hardest Game" because i think it is a good game, not because i hate it.
now that you’ve brought up the subject of the ique i’d just like to point out that ive seen “ique localization” listed in the credits of several official switch games made by nintendo but have literally never seen anyone mention it before. i have so many unanswered questions
people getting angry at the triforce rom hack is like people who asked how you could play HLVRAI or told wayner to just play the game, it’s such a goofy thing to get angry about after all that effort.
14:43 this really gives "I'm not getting the times I want in this game, if I had some Amiibo it would be wr capable just you watch!" energy, which is pretty funny tbh
On the Amiibos, they're straight up cheats, do speedruns for games like GTA accept cheats? At least in that case it's something that's in the game, not an extra you have to buy. Imagine how bad it'd be if that was allowed in a game with 1 time purchases and you had to buy the premium stuff each tie you want to do a run.
Eh, of all the modern tactics to get a little extra $ out of people buying your game, I can't hate on amiibos too much, at least you get a neat little physical figure with it compared to like buying a skin or something that is entirely just some code on a server
A similar thing to the last story happened for NieR: Automata, where a group of cutting-edge modders for the game were able to program in new content that was previously unachievable. Instead of revealing it to be a huge update in modding at first though, they presented it as a new unlockable secret put in by the developers. The community response was pretty balanced at the time: either it's real, and these people have uncovered something very interesting, or it's fake and the accomplishment of the fake is still valuable to the community. Zelda fans on Reddit complaining that a group of people live-hacked an original copy of Ocarina of Time so impressively that they were actually deceived is so lame. Whether from the original devs or not, you should be impressed by the results. Who gives a shit if your dumbass childhood secrets weren't actually uncovered, and that the postman doesn't have some lame ass secret whatever the fuck. The feats these people did in accomplishing a live-hacking of an over 20 years old commercial game is a thousand times more impressive than whether the postman can be beaten or whatever the fuck.
@@notapplicable6985 The fuck are you talking about 'different things'? I'm comparing two similar situations and contrasting how both communities responded to it, and how I find that odd.
It’s still impressive, just in a different way than advertised which still makes it deception. It would’ve been fine for them to be honest and people probably would’ve been _more_ impressed. Like if someone offered you one kind of car and instead sold you a different one disguised as the one they told you they were selling you, you’d be pissed because you were lied to, even if the car is fully functional. If they were honest and you bought the car, you wouldn’t have any complaints. Admittedly I don’t really fully understand the situation but I think that’s the gist of it.
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My name is Robert.
Relating to that was beef boys clip, you said he was alive before gay meaning homosexual and the name Hitler being iffy, however he died in 1947, when Hitler was already dead, and gay was starting to mean "likes men"
Why the fuck didn't this video start with Home
@@yggdrasil2 It can't be. That's my name.
And because it's my birthday today, that means I'm older, so the original.
@@robertb7293 Congrats!
I like the idea that speed runners finish a game as fast as possible just because they hate it
Had a good chuckle at that
MUM I DONT WANT TO DO THIS GAME! I WANT TO DO HOMEWORK.
SHIFT with battle for bikini bottom
Garten of BanBan speedrunning in a nutshell
After the endless resets and missing the WR by a millisecond for the 62nd time, they probably do
You cannot imagine the sheer disappointment I have upon learning that the category isn’t actually called “Push Ganon in front of an SUV”
What is it actually called?
@@seant1326 kill ganon
@@KarazolaX honestly, like cases where censor bleeps make certain comedy sketches funnier than their censored versions, the algorithm subsitution is honestly genuinely funnier
it helps that it’s a description of an action rather than “unalive” or “k*ll”
@@seant1326 defeat ganon no SRM
pretty sure "push ganon in front of an SUV" will be a TotK speedrun, & if it isn't i'll make it myself
That GDQ couch has seen some stuff through its life. A true legendary artefact of the gamer category.
"I would prefer if you would be quiet."
@@Tikimoe But yes you are correct.
The casting couch has a cleaner record.
@@theotherjared9824 and is less sticky
It should be examined with a blacklight
That ACE part at the end is legitimately insane. The fact that you can program ALL OF THAT IN THE FUCKING GAME ON THE FLY is absolutely BLOWING MY MIND
It's crazy to me that people could be upset about it. I watched the video the other day and they were generally pretty clear about what was beta content that they had reintroduced, though maybe they could have been clearer about what they had done themselves to frame the content. I guess watching it knowing it was ACE before-hand may have helped, but overall I don't feel like they were misleading anyone, they were upfront about what was happening and how it was being done. And I'm nowhere near an expert on these things and broadly understood what was going on.
Pet peeve of mine when people make assumptions then feel like they've been mislead somehow. I don't think the team was trying to mislead anyone, in fact they did their best to be clear about what was happening.
@@mrjoe5292 I agree, it seems like many people just didn't understand what ACE is. The accusations saying that it was a romhack are kinda funny I mean, it's arbitrary code execution... The game doesn't need to be hacked when you can program literally anything onto it.
All 1s and 0s
Afaik, they created the patch with a program on a PC, then coded a simple patcher with the controller in-game
Then the bot would read the code from the patch and write it bit by bit
it’s one of the most incredible gaming feats i have ever witnessed and i am booing all naysayers from the sidelines. good god that stuff is incredible
I guess because I was following ZFG at that time none of it was a surprise and I understood quite well what was what. It is an amazing feat and the critics are dumb.
Alright, now all we need is The Many Scandals of Sonic the Hedgehog speedrunning to finish the holy triforce of popular series speedrunning.
I just realized I've never seen any speedruns of Sonic games, is there any notable controversy's or any speedrun's that you would count must watch material?
Don't make ManyKudos research Sonic, he will fall into a rabbit hole and we won't see a non-Sonic video for years.
@@ekki1993 Or Rabbot's hole. 😏
Yeah, he can talk about how Mike89 fucked his brother’s girlfriend xd
I've never even heard of sonic speedrunning. I mean, I am sure it exists, but to call it popular is pretty silly. Unless you were just trying to say that sonic is popular like mario and zelda which...was technically true 25+ years ago, but the only people that think so now are the weird sonic kids.
"Mandelorian Effect"
I actively sat there and felt the gears turning in my mind for a good few seconds before I knew what you were even talking about
What do you mean it's always been called the Mandelorian Effect. It was named after that guy from prison
@@FatherTime89 Nelson Mandelorian, good guy, he died in prison back in the 90s tho
@sarifdeji8639 I remember that. I was watching the Berenstein Bears when I heard. If I had a monocle like that Monopoly guy, it would've popped right off my face.
You are just a cornucopia of analogies, like the one in the fruit of the loom logo!
I do wanna point out that the RNG-based debris in the cutscene was actually the main reason, his recording software was laggy but it wasn't remotely laggy enough to account for the time difference we saw! The length of that cutscene can vary, usually between high 1:09 and mid 1:11 or so, but in extreme cases it can go even further.
Also damn the way I tweeted when I was 16 was somewhat hard to read LOL
The FastWii meme lives on to this day though, 7 years later
Maybe the rng would be more consistent if Nintendo hade a fast wii like you
The random speed up and slow down of that particular recording software is rather bad though from what i've seen of it, can be as little as 5 seconds but can sometimes slow down for 30+ seconds at a time without it being really noticed as in it's slowed down to the point you think it's taking longer than it should but just chalk it up to a bottleneck in system resources.
you make very unimportant events about nerds bickering seem like crucial milestones in history. love it
It's like Stalin said: The death of a thousand is statistic. The cheating of one man is tragedy.
Zelda speedrunners been real quiet since the 30 seconds this video was posted.
They scared
zfg in the mud
Gotta give huge props to Geologie for sponsoring you again after they saw the flesh room! Love the ad sections and the effort you put into them mate!
Hey if internet historian can get away from dark colored kkk nord man, this man can get away with flesh looking bathrooms
Didnt speedrunners figure out to play the entire Ocarina of Time in 5 minutes from a demo of it in a different game? Some crazy stuff there.great video many kudos to you sir.
Yup, the demo of it in Smash Bros Brawl.
@@CommanderWiggins that's wild it's gotta take so much time to get that good at it
It's not really speedrunners per se that did it, but SRM coders, basically people that just tell the game "hey do X thing" and the game does X thing, with everyone else just watching on
People getting mad that they were duped or tricked by the TASBot ACE thing really need to chill. Those reddit comments sounded like they came from people who'd built a career doing public speaking tours based on false information, and not someone who watched a TH-cam video that they skipped the start of.
Speedrunning is the one subject that can go from fascinating all the way to petty and pathetic.
There's a lot of autistic people in the speedrunning community, and autistic people aren't known for their great conversion or social skills
more like its always pathetic, even when its fascinating its still pretty pathetic
This video had "scandals" that were noticeably less pathetic than all the other ones. Like the WoW, MtG, and Smash scandals are so much more fucked up lol
@@j.2512 How is playing a game really quickly always pathetic? It's like saying being really good at chess is pathetic, or any other competitive activity, really.
I've long lost that fascinating part. It's just pathetic.
I love Manys Candals, honestly the best series.
I prefer Gwyneth's candle
Merch idea?
@@ManyKudos I would 100% wear that
@@ManyKudos I would 100% use that as a nut rag.
@@ManyKudos candy sandals that come with a candle FTW
I'm laughing way too hard at the quick piss joke
Expeditious micturition
Is there a speedrun category for the quickest piss?
@Korhol you've just sparked the greatest idea...but imagine the cheating methods
@@BR-ty3hx what are the rules and regulations for pissing quickly
i remember when that first one went down and i was like "dude, has everyone in the speedrunning community never noticed the explosions coming from the castle are randomized??? i thought that was pretty obvious given all the times i've played this game, that explosion looks different and the amount of lag in the cutscene changes a bit each playthrough. this isn't rocket science and it's absurd that guy was even accused of cheating when this was a very easily provable thing that happens frequently in the game.
Did you even watch the video? That wasn’t the main cause of the time difference.
i saw you chat at the nintendo treehouse for totk
Reminds me of that time a guy was forced to give up his amazing xbox and quit speedrunning just because the community was full of idiots that didn't understand that some xbox versions have a faster disc drive, so they basically bullied a kid out of his hobby and took his amazing console just because they were too stupid to understand basic things.
@Co1010z Well, it's a pretty significant chunk that does exonerate the accused.
Honestly, though, simple side-by-side comparisons of other videos of the cutscene to both would have revealed the truth, and that something was fucky on the accuser's part.
@@JimMilton-ej6zi sounds interesting.
Anyway to actual find story?
I never got the controversy with the savestate thing. They literally started it off with an explanation that it was an ACE showcase and then an explanation of how ACE works and what it does. Then they ramped their way up from using ACE to dig up beta content to using ACE to introduce custom N64 stuff to really blowing the lid off by using ACE to recreate BotW in N64 and read fucking Twitch chat. Its not like the beta content and custom content were all mixed together; they actively led with beta and then did the rumor stuff. If you missed the initial explanation and came in late, that isn't their fault for not explaining it. You just missed the introduction.
i love it when people just don't pay attention or skip the first half of the vod and then are confused
They spent the entire ensuring the audience that it is cut beta content. And the real beta content is dispersed through the original content. The models and concept from the unicorn room for example are real, but their existence in the game isnt.
@@Sodier402 No they didn't I've been watching TASbot on GDQ live since 2012 and I saw this live from front to back. They were clear in their presentation and I literally had no idea this controversy even existed until this video dropped and told me. No one I've ever spoken to has had any confusion regarding this...even the people I showed the vods too afterwards who watched the whole thing.
@@Nocturne989 You can watch the run and again see youre wrong lol.
@@Sodier402 So to you it is more likely that every one of us (the majority you can look at like/dislike on the GDQ vid) who literally watched it live and understood what was going on amd showed other people after the fact who also had no troble understanding it are all lying just to make you look dumb? Were a giant cabal of liars here to get you?
Or maybe you just missed something or misinterpreted something or misunderstood something. You act like I didn't watch it lol. You just didn't understand something. Heck, the likes on my comments, a third party comment agreeing with me, and your comments literally paint the same picture. No one has agreed with you.
I can think of nothing more accurate to speedrunners on Reddit than being given an hour long, amazing tribute to the community and going 'yes but how can I find a way to be upset about it?'
When you said he had a fast wii I genuinely thought you meant he took a quick piss during the speedrun LMAO
The cutscene is technically long enough to where could have done that, I should've made that joke back lmao
@@Txrje that would have been EPIC haha imagine years later no one knows for sure if it was a quick piss or a quick wii LOL
18:26 “Push Ganon in Front of an SUV” got me good lmao
I guess it’s much more reliable, if nothing else.
That unregistered hypercam footage went to full motion cd rom real fast. Great edit
when i showed my mom a speedrun involving ACE, we both collectively agreed that it is literal magic
that's the thing, you gotta fucking love the guys on the TAS team
they are so creative and whenever they show up they steal the show
Great vid and fair coverage too. The TASBot OoT run was seriously amazing to see live, I guess I was lucky enough to understand the jargon and pieced together that it was mostly a love letter (and seriously neat segment) to the infinite amount of rumors that were rampant in Ye Olde Internet Days.
I didn't see it live, but honestly, seeing what they were able to pull off using ACE was incredible. Too bad there were people watching who didn't understand the fact that the whole run was basically a love letter to the community.
@@Yamchump36 I still don't get it.. what was actually pulled up by ACE and what wasn't (I know the BOTW stuff obviously wasn't) and how did they inject new stuff in if apparently it was still a real N64 and cartridge?
@@BaconNuke Basically, they trick the game into entering a state where inputs on the controller act as executable code on the cartridge, so by performing specific inputs, they can basically write their own programs, and even alter the game files to give us everything we saw in the video. If I remember correctly, I believe the first instance of ACE that we see in the video was the Arwing.
@@Yamchump36 So somehow via controller inputs they programmed in twitch integration on the fly?
@@BaconNuke seems that way
I remember having to watch that GDQ Triforce thing a couple times over to figure out exactly what was dug up from the cart and what was theoretical but I thought I had just missed something, I didn't know other people had the same problem
Imagine going to a magic show, seeing someone get sawed in half, and your mind is blown. Then your mom tells you its just a trick. Your only option is clearly to wail about the deception on reddit.
Amazing, I was really expecting this video and loved its coverage.
One of the things I missed was the "glitchless" drama.
You know it was a real drama when glitchless, glitch-less, bug limit, restricted, unrestricted, glitchless any% and All Main Quest were all names coined during that era and comes from the "same" category, lol
(Also, the TSA Sub 5 run, for the boomers out there 😅)
ZFG is absolutely right about the accessibility. You can run with emulators, wiivc, nso and even original hardware that are WAY more accessible to runners rather than the iQue.
20:45 "the pause menu seems to imply that the triforce is obtainable", uh those triangles obviously look raised, not recessed slots for the surrounding circles. Look at bright vs dark sides of the hexagonal lines both connecting and surrounding the circles. One is carved in, the other depicts a raised platform.
The triforce is simply decorative here
Yeah, its more obvious that its raised by checking a screenshot without the medallions obtained. Compared to the medallion spaces its quite obviously raised vs the medallion spaces being recessed.
Given how other game communities address things like peripherals, and time differences in language...I am confused as to why this was an issue.
Like any competitive setting, you do need to arbitrate some set of standards.
For most games, Amiibos are just free resources, and are not a component of game balance. Meaning they should be excluded unless needed otherwise. (Ex. Ganondorf's amiibo and Twilight Princess/Windwaker damage increase.) Testing how quickly someone can swipe a card across their switch controller is not relevant to their ability to play the game.
Other communities have also arbitrated to hold the clock during cutscenes and fixed conversations. Completely removing the "faster language" issue.
The severity of these concerns seems invented due to a lack of overall standardization.
Speedruns are about going fast, not skill or fairness
They should have been a separate category from the beggining
But when you run a game that was not meant to be competitive, you cannot complain about this kind of stuff
I didn't even know the ACE thing caused a stir, fucking weirdos. That was one of the coolest video game related things I've seen in awhile.
Wasn't expecting too see Triforce% on here and honestly didn't realize there was some controversy with it but it makes me happy that most people got enjoyment out of it. I got too help do a lil animation and blocking out for the Breathe of the Wild segment.
Was awesome too be a part of something that made so many people happy and seeing people still talk about it.
Nice to see you here!
@@Sauraen Awesome too see you here as well boss. 🫡
Thanks again for making something so awesome and epic and letting me play a tiny part in it.
@@areoblast43o9 Sure! Thanks for asking me to arrange music for your project so many years ago!
I feel a lot of the people who complained about the TASBot either don't fully appreciate or still don't understand how amazing the showcase was. When they said, this is an original cart, they meant it. It IS a ROMhack, but the it didn't start as a romhack, TASBot was using ACE to inject code into a standard cart, it was effectively BUILDING a ROM hack in real time with just controller inputs. The fact that some of this data wasn't in the cart at all just makes the ACE injection that much more impressive. Either they don't understand what that means, or they're mad that their 30 minutes of validation wasn't real. It all being beta content would technically be the least impressive aspect of that showcase and all they care about is getting their own misconception ripped away from them. Shouldn't that be a good thing, one last chance to feel that mysterious childlike wonder for an old school rumor that you should have known was fake, I'd give anything for that, and instead that money went to charity.
I have seen a video of someone ACE-ing a pong game on Pokemon Emerald, so cool.
Yeah, it's really sad to see people basically doing magic on an N64, only for dumb angry redditors to get upset about it.
It's like, sorry you missed the whole point, but you missed the whole point.
How did they get brand new models and textures in there if it started as an original cart?
@@devilord3271 models and textures are just code. If you can inject whatever code you want, you can basically do anything the hardware allows for.
@@devilord3271 more specifically, any piece of digital data can be representated as binary (a series of 1s and 0s, or bytes which are just sets of 8 bits)
if they have complete ACE, complete control over the game, they can effectively run custom code that they specify, like writing custom data into RAM and then reading that data as a texture or model or what have you
Genuinely surprised Amiibos weren't just immediately banned or separated to a diff category...It feels like a common sense thing to disallow or at least ban duplicates...
Man the sponsors must finally be paying him his worth cause he's not even making fun of them anymore
Was gonna skip the ad, then you called me out by name... the terror of a man calling my name in a skin room paralyzed me long enough for you to read the whole thing. Good job.
Speedrunning is especially popular in New Zeland because, as we all know, time moves faster over there
Its becasue New Zealand isnt on any maps so no angry speedrunner can come to your house for revenge.
The tasbot savestate run was beautiful.
Triforce % is the OoT version of someone deciding that they were gonna glitch reality to make Santa real.
18:20 i just want to admit, i'm so used to joke and meme categories, that i genuinely believed "push ganon in front of an suv" was a category, until i decided to actually check if it was real, only to be infinitely disappointed.
I love the legend of Zelda series. The puzzles were so simple but i felt like the smartest person solving them :)
Considering karl jobsts' sense of humour you could bring him on beef boys or even collab on speedrunning if you were to do more s/r many scandals
That Unregistered Hypercam 2 watermark hit me right in the 2000s
A sign of quality back in the early days! :D
My favorite ACE "speedrun" is the run of pokemon yellow you can find here on TH-cam. Its INSANE
"So if it wasn't the Wiis, what Wiis it?"
This is why they pay you the big bucks
"It's pizza time" should be the universal anthem of speedrunners.
18:24 i really wanted “push ganon in front of an SUV” to be a real category
I love how tame this video is. Why are LoZ speedrunners so wholesome? The actual saints of the speedrunninh community
Thanks for pointing out the AGDQ run I’m glad I didn’t miss that
14:28 thats why theres tons of companies selling little plastic amiibo chips for a fraction of the price now. I got every single zelda amiibo chip for 9 bucks lol
Why not just make amiibo a different category entirely. Amiibo% vs Any%?
The fact that the iQue lost because it couldn't store enough memory is almost poetic! 😂😂😂
You know, if you had a shorts channel you should call it MiniKudos.
Just a thought that came to mind as I heard you pronounce your channel name with the accent. Now I'll finish the video.
Just so it's clear, we did not use TASBot to put a McDonald's into OoT, but we indeed could have, heh
Nelson Mandalorian, my favorite world leader 💯
He made an unexpected unregistered hypercam 2 joke, give him 10 million subs.
You’re the funniest of the speedy explainers
oh wow, i actually remember triforce%. super impressive showcase. i had no idea it led to a controversy
it was _really_ weird and kind of cringe that they mixed in beta content with what was effectively heaps upon heaps of fanfic that wasn't clearly distinguished as such, but it doesn't seem worth actually getting mad over. sounds like a weird situation all around
Except they did tell them. What do you think inserting code into a game means my dude?
@@chandlerkolberg8477 I love how you seem to believe you understand how ACE works while not understanding how it really works.
Did everyone’s ad say it was for Robert????
- An ACTUAL (spooked) Robert
Top content! Loved the part about the Zelda speedrunning!
You know, there’s been many youtubers out there that do the “call the viewer by a specific name to spook a few of them” joke (look at you Click) but this was the first time my name got called out and it was for a goddamn ad read for skin care lol
The GDQ Zelda Celebration was an amazing and beautiful segment, and the people that threw a fit about it were just mad that they were reminded of their own lack of common sense and basic reasoning.
If you think ace is insane in ocarina of time, wait until you hear about paper Mario. In paper Mario they do an ace setup in ocarina of time to do a credit warp in paper Mario.
I feel like most of these scandals are so simply solved by adding categories. I don't get why the community is ao against that.
Same. It's immediately obvious to me that the iQue should be in its own separate category. This sort of thing seems to happen in a lot of speedrunning communities and I don't understand why.
Too many categories kills your soul
the speedrunning community is already niche. and those actually at a competitive level are even more niche. you take a 200 runner category, with 20 actually competitive players, and then split the category in half, and now you have 2 100 runner categories, with 10/10. and that's best case scenario. cuz more likely it'll be 15/5.
The process, execution, and finding the strat to begin with makes ACE incredible. But nothing compares to watching skater scream and hyperventilate as he clutches clipping into the castle at the end of a run.
Maybe I'm revealing how terminally online I am but Kudos, Peach Cobbler, Munecat, and Ordinary Things all dropping videos on the same day the TOTK reviews drop has me froffing in my seat. It's a bloody good day on TH-cam.
From the mouth right...? From the mouth right?! 👀
@@fireflybutton1939 I decline to comment at this time
Woo, my fav Zelda speed runner was talked about in this. ZFG for life. Gonna go watch some of streams that I missed on his VOD channel later lol
0:10 A fellow man of culture I see
Seeing the Triforce% run, I immediately figured out it was not real (especially when the ending took place in the time of Breath of the Wild, a game that would not exist at the time of Ocarina of Time) and was a showcase GDQ allowed as it was done for fun by programming the game and adding in new elements that incorporated all those playground rumors that were popular before the internet was the place to spread video game rumors.
Oh my god that ACE part was ridiculously cool! Screw the haters
The cosmo ique arc of oot speedrunning was truly peak speedrunning era lmao
I find it funny how I discovered you through internet historian and these videos are getting better and better every upload so now I'm hyped when I see one. Good job you beefy some bitch
My favourite Zelda speedrunning scandal is the one where that Zelda speedrunner said she was gonna shoot up the Twitch offices and then got banned and then inexplicably unbanned, what the fuck?
Speedrunners aren't completing it as fast as they can because they hate it, they're trying to experience it as many times as possible in one lifetime
I’m not sure if you get the joke or not
I don't understand a lot of speedrun arguments as most of them can just be solved by making a seperate category.
I love these speedeun documentaries
The ace thing was really cool but I do agree the BotW stuff at the end felt really out of place. Idk how anyone could’ve thought all that was built into OoT though even before the BotW part.
How does this man not have at least 500k?!
Edit- i do think mans brain is like 70% euphamisms and analogies
Here Together still gives me chills. I remember watching it live and crying
I'm surprised RunnerGuy would say the Japanese version of the cart is a weird middle ground. No, it's the fastest available *on original hardware*.
There are typically two types of speedrun categories - those that allow emulation, and those that don't. The iQue would fit in the emulation category, because it's not original hardware. And in that case, it's probably fine, as could its hardware really be so powerful as to compete with modern computer hardware?
And indeed, while they do allow emulation on the leaderboards, they don't allow it for times within 10% of the record. So it's basically a "hey, you can show off your speedruns done with an emulator, but if you want to compete at the top you have to use some form of official hardware".
If you're going to allow some random Chinese knock off console, then you're basically opening the door to allowing anyone to design their own speedrun maximised console. Which, is fine, as long as the category allows emulators (at which point, you'd just use a PC).
Not the JP cart really, it was the hacking of the Wii and using JP there that bothered me more. I used the english version as that was the one most of people my age grew up with and had access to. Looking at things like ebay now, the JP version is actually more accessible, and therefore, I have switched to using that, for the same argument (it's the one most people could get their hands on today). However, you are correct about my stance on original hardware - the iQue, the Wii, the Switch, the future 5 consoles Nintendo will release this game of (some might be slower, but some might be faster)...those are all emulation and I don't speedrun on those.
My stance on the iQue was a bit of a troll. I don't think I even finished a run on it. I had heard for years from people playing on Wii "it's the fastest, deal with it" - fine, speedrun your inaccurate emulation. But then all of a sudden there is a faster console and now they say "hang on, going the fastest isn't everything" which felt hypocritical.
Fastly becoming my favorite TH-camr. Informative videos about nerdy topics that I'm quite interested in, and hilarious to boot. The quick piss joke made me laugh like a 9 year old for a solid three minutes lol.
Just starting watching your videos mate, keep up the good work, I love this format of content!
Finally you're getting the attention you deserve. Your quality content used to have less than 100k views and I was like "bruh"...
The man who shows us an embarrassing childhood photo of such exceptional awkwardness is a man who could definitely Speedrun Zelda Honorably yet competitively.
Surprised the time that in a link to the past speedrun was found out to be spliced years later when the game was finally cracked and it turned out that the random pattern the first and final bosses use aren’t entirely random but pseudo random and they share the token didn’t make it in
I love the many Effeminate Outifits of Zelda
they truly are the best
"Those who hate Zelda so much they want to finish it as fast as possible." My opinion about speedrunning summed up.
this is probably a sarcastic comment, but in case it isn't i want you to hear this, many people who speedrun games, myself include, do it because we like a game and want a new way to experience it after playing all of the content, i speedrun "The Worlds Hardest Game" because i think it is a good game, not because i hate it.
Time to bust that Zelda song that's definitely not by System of a Down 😎
josh might have forgotten his amiibos, but you moved to australia so bit rich of you to call him an idiot mate
now that you’ve brought up the subject of the ique i’d just like to point out that ive seen “ique localization” listed in the credits of several official switch games made by nintendo but have literally never seen anyone mention it before. i have so many unanswered questions
surprised he didnt mention TSR, but then again, his antics are pretty well-documented.
people getting angry at the triforce rom hack is like people who asked how you could play HLVRAI or told wayner to just play the game, it’s such a goofy thing to get angry about after all that effort.
14:43 this really gives "I'm not getting the times I want in this game, if I had some Amiibo it would be wr capable just you watch!" energy, which is pretty funny tbh
On the Amiibos, they're straight up cheats, do speedruns for games like GTA accept cheats? At least in that case it's something that's in the game, not an extra you have to buy. Imagine how bad it'd be if that was allowed in a game with 1 time purchases and you had to buy the premium stuff each tie you want to do a run.
trust reddit to get that buthurt over a joke that was actually good
speed running life by swallowing 10 amiibos even though the stupid packaging said not to!!!
Man speed runners always look like such tools xD
th-cam.com/users/shortsesJfd-b4r24?feature=share
Eh, of all the modern tactics to get a little extra $ out of people buying your game, I can't hate on amiibos too much, at least you get a neat little physical figure with it compared to like buying a skin or something that is entirely just some code on a server
A similar thing to the last story happened for NieR: Automata, where a group of cutting-edge modders for the game were able to program in new content that was previously unachievable. Instead of revealing it to be a huge update in modding at first though, they presented it as a new unlockable secret put in by the developers. The community response was pretty balanced at the time: either it's real, and these people have uncovered something very interesting, or it's fake and the accomplishment of the fake is still valuable to the community.
Zelda fans on Reddit complaining that a group of people live-hacked an original copy of Ocarina of Time so impressively that they were actually deceived is so lame. Whether from the original devs or not, you should be impressed by the results. Who gives a shit if your dumbass childhood secrets weren't actually uncovered, and that the postman doesn't have some lame ass secret whatever the fuck. The feats these people did in accomplishing a live-hacking of an over 20 years old commercial game is a thousand times more impressive than whether the postman can be beaten or whatever the fuck.
Because people are expecting different things. It's like going to a bluegrass concert, but they start to play heavy metal music
@@notapplicable6985 The fuck are you talking about 'different things'? I'm comparing two similar situations and contrasting how both communities responded to it, and how I find that odd.
It’s still impressive, just in a different way than advertised which still makes it deception. It would’ve been fine for them to be honest and people probably would’ve been _more_ impressed.
Like if someone offered you one kind of car and instead sold you a different one disguised as the one they told you they were selling you, you’d be pissed because you were lied to, even if the car is fully functional. If they were honest and you bought the car, you wouldn’t have any complaints.
Admittedly I don’t really fully understand the situation but I think that’s the gist of it.