Runescape's Many Scandals [Ft. Josh Strife Hayes]
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Runescape requires no introduction, but for legal reasons, I'm going to anyway. The iconic, formerly browser-based MMO appeals to everyone with its simple yet deep gameplay systems, amazing soundtrack, surprisingly good writing, and generous free content. In this video, I team up with self-described Runescape "player" Josh Strife Hayes, to tackle a number of Runescape's scandals. These range from the infamous Falador massacre, wherein a glitch allowed a number of players to PK outside of the designated areas, allowing them to make off with some expensive swag, to Woox at the Deadman Invitational Tournament, in which legendary player Woox won a PvP tournament without attacking a single player. I also discuss the scandal around Runelite HD, when Jagex blocked a highly-anticipated graphical mod for arbitrary reasons, and finally look into the culture of Venezuelan players selling their services in Runescape.
0:00 - Tutorial Island (Intro)
1:18 - The Falador Massacre
7:28 - Winning $10,000 By Hiding In A Bush
15:09 - We Could Be Rioting In HD
20:11 - The Country That Survives On Runescape - เกม
When I was in high school I didn't have a credit card or money to buy a Minecraft account but my buddy had a friend in Venezuela on his server who bought me a Minecraft game license in exchange for helping him mine diamonds for some arbitrary amount of time. Shout out to Venezuela for silently holding up the entire gaming industry I guess.
Free labour be like
The second memeloaf wasn't as good as the first
Storytime: I Was A DIAMOND MINE CHILD SLAVE
@@ManyKudos 😨😨😨
you better have given that guy repeat business for holding up his end
If I recall correctly, some Venezuelan Runescape Gold Farmers were getting paid more than literal Veneuzuelan Doctors.
Yeah the Venezuelan Bolivar hasn’t gone up in value at all 😭😭
Wasn’t there also a youtuber/streamer who basically left being a doctor because they made more off streaming runescape?
actual*
I know a couple Venezuelans that still make their living thru OSRS although Jagex have cracked down on real-world trading theres still workarounds. He also maxed his entire account and now occasionally he will sell it to a website and then recover it days later, kinda baffled how he hasn't been banned yet honestly.
Yep, $1 USD is around 600k Bolivar apparently
"Violently eating fish" is an amazing freaking sentence lol
so this is what the brits mean by handling salmon in suspicious circumstances
I used to farm skeletal wyverns on OSRS non-stop when Venezuelans started coming in and made a few friends with them after seeing them at wyvs for 16-18 hours a day. I spoke pretty regularly with one dude, and ended up getting burnt out for a while so I gave him all my gold (had a bank value of 240m at the time, nothing insane) and his mum ended up jumping on his account to thank me for feeding the family for the week basically. Shit REALLY put into perspective how awful some people's lives are, and how a minor act can be a huge change in someone's life for a week. Wherever you are Pablo, hope you and abuela are eating good and staying safe!
Oh shit, absolutely based story. Hope your friend has food safety for the rest of his and his family's life
Legend.
I fucking love learning mmo chaos. "Don't encourage him" is an absolute hilarious line to me
HOMESTUCK
Lmao people are crazy.
That song was worth it.
I got hooked on your content through the Otherland saga, and been watching since. A reliable, trustworthy voice we need, and I wish your Other land saga had more exposure. Keep up the good work.
"There was just this one valiant, blood-soaked, brave, courageous warrior somewhere in the world, armored up and good to go with this poison wall slowly closing in around him, standing there looking for a fight, looking around and seeing no one, and on the other side of the world in a small poison village,
there was a man just violently eating fish"
Favorite part of the video
The vid was good, but I feel like this is only scraping the surface of scandals here. For example, Mod Jed used his position in the company to help his clan win an in game tournament by leaking them the IP addresses of their competitors, allowing them to DDoS their opponents.
Part 2 needed!
That story was close to making the cut, but I decided I'd like to do a part 2 with a whole segment on Mod scandals because there's been so many
@@ManyKudos I'm putting nan in the cage until this video is released
@@ManyKudos yea fair enough. Mod Jed helping RoT DDoS for DMM wins, Mod Jed leaking the revenant caves "better loot when skulled" mechanic to RoT (nobody else knew about it for years since he implemented it himself), Mod Jed giving player login credentials to RoT so they could steal items, Mod Reach getting fired for spawning in gold to sell for real money, Mod Zuko quitting over sexism, Mod Mark D from corporate forcing the mods to poll subscription-based early access cosmetics...there's probably enough for 2 more videos, not to mention all the other DMM failures
Lol remember audigate? As blue as the elysians that paid for it.
"And then on the other side of the world in a small poisoned village, there was a man just violently eating fish!"
Brand new sentence if ever I've heard one.
Here's a new sentence, just for you!
Have you not played skyrim?
@@Muskers92wheres the sentence musker? Where is it?
That $10k segment win is the definition of playing smarter not harder.
They said it was a survival tournament, last man standing, not a combat tournament or a fighting tournament or a dueling tournament, He played within the rules even if it was against the spirit!
BUT! Let's be honest, if it came down to two (or more) people doing the same thing "violently eating fish" or something similar, then they'd get nowhere if combat didn't happen, so I kinda see why they have to discourage this kind of playstyle...
@@PhunkieZero I feel it was arguable at best, from what I understood of the explanation they had specifically made is you couldn't note / unnote at banks which makes it pretty apparent that they didn't want you to have access to that and everyone knew it, Woox included and disqualifying him for exploiting something unintended in the competition would've been perfectly fair. People might say "It's their fault for missing it not the players" but that kind of thinking is always going to be BS. It's obvious you shouldn't be doing it and you did it any ways, be an adult and take responsibility instead of pretending to be a new born baby with no concept of accountability.
Ah, nothing makes me prouder of being Venezuelan than knowing the legacy of my country is...gold farming in Runescape....WE DID IT EVERYONE! This was Chavez's plan all along! Crippling our economy for the next few decades so that we can make Runescape history, what a visionary!
PATRIA, REVOLUCIÓN O MUERTE HERMANOOOO
maybe it was the thousands of illegal sanctions from the US that made it impossible to sell any oil (number one venezuelan export) that crippled economy, idk tho :D
@@mattdavis3890 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Imagine our country being famous for in-game currencies being stronger than the real one.
Those U.S. Sanctions were because each and every U.S. president since they've started have been trying to drive down the cost of really rare early event items! The oil industry was a front for the party hat industry.
Your back must have been really hot from sitting in front of those fires for so long. What a trooper.
I've got second degree burns from it
Never knew about Woox surviving DMM. I knew Ash was a great dude but wow, yeah, what an absolute legend. Pants off to that guy.
Dicks out for ahrambe, pants off for Ash.
I remember talking to a venezuelan, he needed to make 200m a week in RuneScape to afford his grandmother's medical treatment. I always gave him a little extra out of my split in raids.
Cool. I would’ve PK’d him and left him nothing like the scumbag I am. 😏
@@Jolis_Parsec Awww who's the wee little edgelord trying to edge awwwwwww
@@Jolis_Parsec you can't pk in raids
@@MarshyoftheBlobs I aim to please, bruh. 😏
@@uberwarlocker I know. I’m just being an edgy boi. 😜
There is NOTHING FUNNIER than watching a man who is millimeters away from laughing and yet still managing to hold it in.
As far as jokes inbetween lines, editing, and just overall flow of the video goes, this is hands down your best video yet
It was nice to see Josh in this video, he was a very pleasant addition
Right, i was so stoked to see his name, i watch him everyday haha
I can't think of anything he wouldn't be a pleasant addition to
@@ManyKudos that sweet sultry voice of his lends itself to any project well
best second monitor creator ever
@@ManyKudos A mug smashing convention.
This is great, was just getting into JSH and rewatching the old many scandals
It's like all your parasocial relationships colliding at once
I was one of the original 2k Runescape players back in 2000. My name was literally Fire Mage.
I remember logging into the game world and being asked what class I wanted to be (you could choose like 4-5 different classes and you'd get some starter items) and immediately being killed because players could just kill you anywhere and Lumbridge/Draynor were the only places in the game to be at that time. I'm actually in that Falador Massacre video as well following the chaors around (white haired guy in red cloak)
It can't be overstated how much the OSRS community respects Mod Ash. Dude is an absolute legend.
The only valid mod.
I love Josh visibly struggling not to smile at that "song".
Josh and Many, a clash of Old World humor, culturing us of the colonies in the Americas.
Please, Many was my father's name, call me Kudos
Nah, the workplace training video is the best!
And this is why we call him God Ash. Were fate to have God Ash and Woox join forces, they would be an unstoppable force.
Josh Strife Hayes looks like if someone had been playing runescape, wow and 40k for their whole life and had the body you get from that lifestyle, until one day they met a genie and just said "I WISH I WAS HOT" and now he's just coping with his new reality in the best way he can think of.
I gotta say man, Your channel is criminally UNDERRATED. Keep making the bitchin content and hope to see Eve online scandals!
Eve has absolutely insane scandals I would love to cover, my only fear is having to play Eve to understand what's going on
@@ManyKudos go the RuneScape route and pay some folk with precious doge coin or cheap deli meat to grind. I mean the game is a second job haha
@@ManyKudos reading Eve stories is probably the closest experience we'll ever get to our descendants' experience learning history in their schools or reading some war news hundreds thousands years from now
"There was a man just violently eating fish" is a beautiful mental image.
I knew a Venezuelan dude
The dude used to play tibia and runescape just so he could buy food for his family
He said he was making a little bit more than the average person just playing games
I only met one Venezuelan dude. He was chill. Told me he had been farming green drags all day. Had two alts running to run off other bots and pkers.
I was there for slayer. He let me take his spot and he logged off lmao
Even without 10 grand on the line I’d argue plenty of players would be willing to use exploits rather than play in the way/spirit intended, if only for a laugh.
If you’re going to put a competition in your previously non-competitive game you need to make your mechanics and rules as airtight as possible, because you can guarantee someone, somewhere, will find and exploit gaps in either.
Out-healing the ring is a pretty well-known strategy among BR games anyway.
@@AGrumpyPanda it wasn't a battle royale game but there was a PS3 game with moving safe zones and instead of losing health, if you were outside of the safe zone a timer would tick down and then stop when you entered a safe zone (the timer wouldn't reset it would just pause). If the timer ever reached zero you would instantly die. I'm surprised battle Royale games don't just do that.
"More mouse clicks than a pet store chiropractor" was such a good joke
I never would've thought I see my country being mentioned in a video with Josh Strife Hayes on it. Gives me a weird sense of patriotic pride.
You missed the time they actually rolled back the servers for the first time in runescape history when they pushed an update that caused any stacked items to drop as max piles of cash. Some people used that to buy bonds on the grand exchange and had their accounts banned for as long as they had cashed in bonds because Jagex had no way to remove the membership from their accounts.
That was not the first roll back. Haxunit found a way to crash worlds and Jagex had to roll back I think an hour or two on accounts on the effected worlds. I know this because I was on one of those worlds and had to do a very long quest all over again. Along with one of my friends losing a dragon claws drop and another losing an Armadyl hilt.
I just discovered (and binged) all your scandle videos literally yesterday, this is such welcome timing.
Hope you enjoyed!
@@ManyKudos nah mate hated it
The complete shock of "nan has been put in the cage" made me laugh my ass off.
1:18 Oh man, the moment that classic music kicked in brought a huge smile to my face. The soundtrack needs to be archived in the Smithsonian.
Fun fact not mentioned in this video: One of the main players who helped take down Mod Jed had the username sonicr34, and was recently in the news because he was a center figure of economic inflation in RS3. To learn more google sonic r34 inflation.
Wow! Insane story! It's hard to believe that he got away with all of that.
I'm not Googling "sonicr34" *anything*, those fans are disgusting.
As a nearlly-maxed OSRS player, I can confirm that these are all true, with great details and examples that you've added for clarity. I'd like to add that Mod Ash is the backbone of Jagex's Oldschool Runescape team, the game would not be the same without him, and the OSRS community cherishes him dearly. Another "scandal" that's very recent is the negative feedback following the announcement of "Fresh Start" worlds, where you would need to create a new account and purchase new membership to play on a fresh server with a seperate Grand Exchange market from the rest of the servers, which have a combined GE item buying/selling market across all servers. Players are viewing this as a way for Jagex to artifically inflate their "player numbers" to increase the company's resale value, instructed to do so by Jagex's owners - The Carlyle Group, a soulless investment company that views Jagex as nothing but a cash cow.
Every time the community doesn't like something, as is tradition, we riot in Falador, and Nan goes back in the cage. Ban Emily. 🦀$12.49 🦀
"Violently eating fish" is the kind of technique I'd expect The Spiffing Brit to come up with lol
Seeing the intro now I'm kinda interested in whether there will be a "Many Scandals" video on Final Fantasy XIV.
I haven't even been playing it for like more than a year and already I saw a major scandal in which an ERP club in the game paid $12,000 for an actual billboard in like Texas and Arizona to advertise an in-game RP event they were hosting. Also apparently they also misappropriated donation money for it and the billboard contained both the actual Square Enix trademark and risque texture and pose mods which are strictly against FFXIV ToS, resulting in the potential for an actual lawsuit and putting the entire modding community at risk. Genuinely fucking insane.
That's pretty funny though, not gonna lie.
@@TheNewRobotMaster Yes it was indeed quite comedic. Kinda sucked for me though because I play on the world the club was in and noticed lag due to the massive influx of people brigading the club for their stupidity.
@@theodorehodbor5080 I didn't know people could just hop into the world. That kinda sucks that their steamy text club caused other players lag. On the other hand though... lol
Not just modded cosmetics, but *datamined unreleased* cosmetics put in through mods
Also one of the mods of the discord server hosting the billboard stating that people posting clown emoji reactions on their announcements were “basically terrorism” without a shred of irony
I feel that a FFXIV video would be very short 😅 There aren't as many scandals for that game as WoW or Runescape. There's stuff like "Skip soar or kick" that's funny to look back on as a player but not sure how interesting that is to a general audience.
Funny enough the edp117 story reminds me of a similar story with an even happier ending for the modders. Back in the Warcraft 3 days a group of modders got together and made a custom game. A little game called "Defense of The Ancients" aka DoTA. It was one of the biggest and popular custom modes in Warcraft 3, and at the time Blizzard didn't really care about capitalizing on this custom game (hindsight 20/20 moment) but one developer Did...... ValVe.... Gabe Newell and ValVe swooped in and offer the modders the greatest opportunity of a lifetime, officially working at ValVe as their own developer studio and make their custom game mode a fully fleshed, fully redesigned, and fully supported Game. They said yes and that lead to DoTA 2 one of the biggest E-Sport phenomenons of all time with dozens of major tournaments and 10 international tournaments with prize pools in the tens of Millions, and it kicked off the birth of a whole new genre of game the MOBA which lead to one of the other biggest know games of all time League of Legends and even Blizzard saw the sucess and created their own MOBA Heroes of the Storm. Now if Jagex had the smarts of ValVe they could have completely avoided the outrage and have edp117 officially working alongside their team to make their official HD project even better.
JSH is a national treasure, ahead of Mary Berry.
i have to agree if i had the money to reward a player who technically played within the rules and was able to win from a cheesy exploit, I would have given that smart player the money.
For sure. He wasn't even bug abusing. He was taking advantage of something THEY missed when creating the event.
The Venezuelan Runescape Gold economy showing the blockchain that it's not needed was my favourite part.
My brother would pay me 5 an hour to farm swamp toads for him back in like 2009. Solidarity to my Venezuelan brothers
Honestly I personally find it stupid that one person in the company try to stop a moder form releasing a HD version of the game.😑🐱
If I recall correctly they ultimately just bought it from him and released it on their official client as well.
🎮Big thanks to Squarespace for sponsoring this video, I've been using their service for years so I'm stoked to be able to promote it! 🎮 Are there any Runescape scandals you'd like to see me cover in a part 2?
it be cool if you got J1mmy for part 2
Kudos, in the next video blink three times in a row if Squarepsace is holding you hostage.
I sent this to my OSRS playing friend and he had a couple things:
1) Mod Jed and ROT rigging situation.
2) massive banks coming down on RS to crack down on CC fraud, leading to the removal of free trade, pking, and the NEAR DEATH of the company because of it.
This isn't exactly a scandal, but Zezima's story of just being RuneScape famous and what that meant. Including people trying to discover his real name to him being mobbed while trying to do anything within the game is pretty interesting.
How about the white supremacist rally that happened in RS?
James and his little laugh about clearing the auto correct or autofill at the Squarespace advertisement his little giggle literally made my day thank you James
Not going lie suprised Josh Strife Hayes showed up and I don't know why I expected josh to just be in the background with his matrix trench coat thinking deeply many kudos speaks. Either way It's awesome.
The RuneLite HD fiasco was the straw that broke the pack yak’s back for me. I hadn’t had fun playing RuneScape in several years and as soon as I heard about that from second-monitor Josh Strife Hayes, I cancelled my membership and quit. Haven’t gone back since.
14:52 lyrics for anyone interested:
Josh
Thanks I've been searching for these for days now, cheers
ManyKudos and JSH in the same vid?? Christmas came early
Woox reminds me of one time I tied a deathmatch in Gears of War by hiding behind a car while the other team tried to find me 4v1. They game up and just started shooting at the sky until the timer ran out
I felt like that sponsor segment was just seconds away from cutting to some grotesque scene of violence right up until it ended
Woox stood against the gods of his realm and got punished but earned their respect. What a legend
14:55 I died laughing at that silence
I only subscribed 20 minutes ago but this is already the best channel Ive subbed to in quite a while
23:53 Banger ass comment. Having empathy is a Chad move.
So happy to see you cover RuneScape. I love this game and watching you go over the history of it gives me a lot of nostalgia lol
Hell yeah I’ve been rewatching all your videos lately, finally a new one
There was an omega egg incident that created trillions in extra gp, this completely destroyed the price of gp. An incredibly interesting topic to look into.
That random image of the kids at 6:39 tripped me out lol it went by so fast it took me a few tries to go back and pause at the right time
I love when AFriend is grinding at the Revs and he just always points out the Venezuelans he hires to protect him 😂😂
Jagx should have paid woox directly. If they didn’t change the description of the game from survival to pvp then I would say they shouldn’t. Because they specifically changed it because of what he did, they acknowledged he won and are probably vulnerable to legal action especially because that mod paid him. Otherwise they should have just called him a cheater and patched every hole he found.
"More mouse clicking than a pet store chiropractor" how do you come up with this stuff? Brilliant
As a hobbyist I love hearing all these stories from games I didn't get to participate in
Same! I love making this series because it's always so funny what goes on in these little niches you've never heard of
11:34 that description is just beautiful. "violently eating fish", perfection.
I wasn't expecting the ManyKudos and Josh Strife Hayes collab but I sure do live for it
18:30 Wow luckily someone noticed that very small detail. If not, we still would be thinking that the regular mods were involved with this horrible decision. Also pretty clever of the mods to not list their names like usual, to hint that it wasnt their decision.
hell yes I love Josh and you I wouldn't have predicted this but I'm so happy this collab exists
I got 99 strength at that HD client riot by killing one of the falador guards lol I have not played old school steady for a couple months now I miss it.
Durial321 getting turned into a boss in the video game despite being perma-banned leaves me with mixed feelings
BRO two of my favorites youtubers collaborating.. truly a special day
14:50 🎸 "I wrote you a small song to say thanks."
LOOOL!! Bloody brilliant.
For anyone interested, the music used at 24:41 is "The Marathon" by Jim Andron, made in 1992 for the album "Tetris".
Only reason I know is because the almighty algorithm decided that's what I wanted to listen to one day, and it kinda stuck around. I don't even play tetris.
Anyone else get that weird fuzzy feeling when you realise you actually recognise the music being used?
On another note, another great video on a game I've never played before and probably never will. :)
Holy shit. I remember fishing for lobbies at that island nearly two decades ago as it was a great way to grind for gold and fishing xp. There are people grinding on RS for their LIVES.
Lmao I just discovered your channel, but the sneaky placement of a screenshot of the infamous "dragon-based MMO" earned you a sub!
I remember trying to play Runescape as a kid back in 2003 or so and my PC could literally never get past the loading screen 😂 probably for the best
That VHS instructional made my stomach muscles cramp.
>Slowly stands up clapping
Every time you upload its always a treat. Keep it up!
omg that second string strike almost made me cry, beautiful composer!
From what I hear, theres been another scandal. One of the Jmods, Jmod Triton, was dating a streamer who was not only rigging in-game competitions and RMTing, but she also had her Jmod boyfriend ban whoever she wanted. The streamer got banned, and a number of the victims were unbanned, but I dont know what has happened with Triton.
Honestly this list really really really makes me wanna see a video where you go over all of eve online‘s biggest scandals because I’m sure they’re just as many and I’m sure they’re just as expensive if not more so because Eve is backed by real money
Josh and Kudos is the epic crossover I never expected but was super happy over. You both make fantastic content.
Been looking forward to this for a while. Great work as always
That was such a beautiful song, I'm moved to tears
Woox earned that win. If there’s anything I’ve learned from fighting games, if it’s in the game, and leads to a win, then you win.
24:39 I have literally used the same transitions in my videos from the same video that you found on TH-cam and I'm just gonna tell you how much I appreciate that
Your videos are always worth the wait. Keep it up man! Thanks for all the laughs.
Damn, who looted the Queen? I want that party hat
Great video, thank you:) And such a lovely song for Josh it was.
For server rollbacks, here are some options:
- If they have a log of all the people that the person killed, roll back all those players who were killed.
- If there's a log of which players were in that area, and they had been killed in that time period, roll back those players.
- If no such logs exist at all, give people the option within a certain timeframe, if they want to be rolled back until before the raid.
With the rollback, that goes for their bank content too. So even if a person decides to bank all their remaining stuff to have it "copied", that wouldn't be possible, since the bank also will be rolled back (this would be a valid point for unaffected people wanting a rollback too).
Honestly the fact that we have footage of the fally massacre is a miracle
The Beef Boys crossover ad segments are my absolute favorites
I could tell the exact stream the SkyRim Vr child throwing clip came from, it's that iconic.
while not a necessarily a scandal, i remember the wildest thing i learned about runescape was steve bannon, trump's former strategist and love of pouring acid into hot tubs, ran a company of gold farmers after meeting someone who made a ton of money doing it.
man this video is great so many good memories with runescape
Another great vid, cheers!
the collab i never knew i wanted....thanks fellas
How pleasant to find a new channel I've never heard about before. Ima sub for hopefully more of this dope content
That Woox story made my day. That's absolutely amazing. I also laughed so hard I had to share the whole story with my wife when I heard 'there was a man violently eating fish'.
Just found this channel! And oh my...what a find! Great content. Cheers!
In love with the runes in the fire. Such a nice touch
i thought it was cool in 2003 too