Biggest CHEATER in Pokemon Speedrun History Was Just Caught
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Speedrunners You SHOULD Check Out
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(Pokemon Diamond/Pearl)
Rubentus - / rubentus
minnowSR - / minnowsr
scoagogo - / scoagogo
uwsellan - / uwsellan
crafted - / craftedite
bounxii - / bounxii
Alw0 - / alw0
TTS - / tts4life
(Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
Grogir - / grogir
Yujitoo - / yujitoo
zinned - / zlnned
KinkMyBoot - / kinkmyboot
MaddiicT - / maddiict
Pokeguy - / pokeguy
(Pokemon Sapphire)
MachWing - / machwing
WaveWarrior - / wavewarrior
bounxii - / bounxii
BluMagma7 - / blumagma7
Truely28 - / truely28
Keepingiticy - / keepingiticy
Headbob_ - / headbob_
Footage Used
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MinnowSR - • Why Jadiwi's Chimchar ...
Pokeguy - • Pokemon Red Any% Glitc...
Rubentus - / @rubentus-
scoagogo - / scoagogo
WaveWarrior - • Pokemon Sapphire Any% ...
Special Thanks!
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WaveWarrior
Wartab
MinnowSR
MachWing
Rubentus
The PSR Programmers
The PSR Moderators
The PSR Meme Creators
The Entire PSR Investigation Team
Everyone who provided me screenshots/evidence! (There were a lot of you and I can't thank you all enough!)
Music In Order
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Persona 5 - Interrogation Room
Three Chain Links - It Can't Be Bargained With
Persona 5 - Reminiscence
The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles - The Great Verdict
Home - Release (W.I.P)
The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles - Baron Van Zieks ~ The Reaper of the Bailey
Mass Effect - Galaxy Map Theme
Persona 3 - Tartarus Floor 6
Phoenix Write Ace Attorney - Questioning
Persona 5 Royal - To Another World
Phoenix Write Ace Attorney - Pressing Pursuit Cornered
Undertale - CORE
Undertale - Last Goodbye
Thumbnail Art
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Just need to add a bit of context towards Jadiwi's 1:01:19. We're not sure if that run is spliced just yet, but apparently the Chimchar in that run has been confirmed to be legitimate, so any comments I make towards that specific run should be put towards his Sub 1 hour speedrun instead! However, everything else in the video is correct! Many apologies for the mistake, I seemed to have read a Pastebin on this information wrong.
god damn you made me click the timestamp thinking the vid was an hour long 😭
@@lonetomfoolery8762 SAME LMAO
nah he cheatin lmao
Yeah just because we haven't found the spot where he cheated, doesn't mean he cheated. Most likely a cheater is a cheater in every run.
@@CurtisTerranova To be fair, also, the evidences of his cheating were largely circumstantial or required looking pretty in depth into mechanics. As a result, it's clear that he was good at splicing his stuff together to make it seem legitimate so it's entirely possible that his run doesn't have anything in it to conclusively prove it's cheated, even though it most certainly is.
The fact that the community can bust out entire software to analyze individual code elements of a run makes it abundantly clear how suicidal trying to cheat in that community is.
I always wondered how runners identified/searched for seeds for RNG in research runs, it's super cool how it works!
That's the funny part. The speedrunners know these apps exist, because they need to use them to find good seeds and such. The cheater obviously didn't know enough to even route his own run (like finding a good seed) or he would have known that people would be able to reverse engineer their runs.
@@An4lAvenger At the end of the day, a game is simply code, every number, every seed lines up to known visual data. He really thought people weren't going to check his runs this deep? By virtue of being a speedrunner, the willingness to run years of the same game day in and day out, he really thought they were too lazy too take some hours out of their day to check his runs?
It also shows the level of psychotic the community is and that most likely there are many cheated runs that can never be found. If they can make systems/ai to find cheating then most likely someone's done the same for cheating ten fold
@@sabotagefate69 I wouldn't call it psychotic, a lot of long-standing speedrunning communities also go into such an exacting level of detail. There's most likely a few runs out there that are cheated though just down to numbers alone
"My computer can't run an emulator" is probably one of the worst excuses I've ever heard you can run a GB/GBA emulator on just about anything lol
You can run gen 1 pokemon on a fridge
You can run a GB emulator on a shitty smartphone lol
ive played all of pokemon emerald on a school laptop lmao
@@BlinkingTwin Absolutely. I played a translated ROM of red or blue on my PC in 1997. I think the first GB emulator came out around 95.
People can run those emulators on FUCKING CALCULATORS LMAO
Shout out to the pokemon speedrunning community for not having any major cheater for a decade, and especially to the runners for being so good without cheating
Absence of evidence is sadly not evidence of absence, important to remember that.
It is possible there have been other cheaters, just they haven't been caught yet. I hope not though.
*cough cough Minecraft
Seems to be one of those communities that so many people have more time and knowledge than they know what to do with lol
Pokemon nerds (positive connotation) are truly something
Shoutout to all the speedrunning cheaters for not being this dumb for a decade, and especially the runners who are one and done with cheating.
There's just something poetic about being caught being a villain because you wouldn't talk to your mom before going on an adventure.
Mooooooom I'm trying to cheat my way to a World Reeeeeeecord. Ugh, you never let me have any fuuuuuun.
i was running a GB emulator on a computer in like 2000 wtf is he talking about looool
Even a Windows CE netbook or PDA can run GB emulators. Honestly, what a joke!
Not to mention, if you have Internet on your phone you can run emulators. I know, it's how I play all my games.
I was running a GBA emu on an Asus eeepc
I ran a GBA and GB emulator on a CHROMEBOOK.
Right? If your PC can't run a Game Boy emulator that thing is being held together with hopes and prayers.
Getting lucky is not a crime. 💀
As a french who learned about this yesterday on a french youtuber’s channel (Fildrong), I knew this was this guy. I can’t believe that someone would act like this, even if money makes people mad. (Plus, not a good advertisement for the french speedruning community… 😓)
@@PlatyRush It's truly a sad situation. I hope nothing but the best for the French speedrun community after all this!
Now I'm sus 😭
@@PulseEffects thx man, apreciate it.
fun fact, he got contacted for a video by a big french youtuber who talks about the strategic aspect of pokémon who was like "wow that's awesome" and recently did an apology video saying that he shouldn't have been so naive and talk about a domain he didn't knew much about since he couldn't verify if it wasn't fake also since he edited for a couple of french youtuber he had experience in the domain of seemless splicing
"Bro you talked to your mom wrong 😂" is the funniest statement out of context
You know someone faking when they hit you with the whole script for the LOTR movies as a reply to "Can I see your splits?"
Tricksey speedsrunners. They wants my precious spots.
Even as someone who knows very little about Pokemon speedrunning, this many PBs and "world records" in such a small amount of time in such a competitive speedrunning community is super suspicious to me
PBs aren't that sus if you are just starting out and getting good, but anyone who just starts out and gets WRs in very competitive speed game without some super strong evidence is super duper sus if not just evince itself.
@@stigmaoftheroseTrue with the PBs. Reading back my initial message also sounded like I was blaming the moderators for this situation which wasn't my intention at all D:
@Monsikatzi I didn't read that in your comment at all don't worry. And if anything I would blame the mods for being too trusting and doing some of the things I've seen other speedrun communities do like video direction to check the audio and what not for splicing.
Yeah no offence to the admins/mods there is trusting but how can you be so stupid? It was kinda obvious he was cheating from the start, i am amazing it took them that long to figure it out.
@@Thisdude850I think it's much more obvious condensed in a video that already has "he was caught cheating, here's how" as a premise. We have the benefit here of focusing on one person's actions all grouped up, when to the community it was mixed in with anything and everything else at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 - and as stated, they weren't exactly vigilant against every minor red flag in a community relatively free of cheaters.
I've heard a saying in regards to dealing with cheaters: "If you give a liar enough rope, eventually they'll hang themselves". Even if they're good enough to not immediately expose themselves, sooner or later they're gonna make that one fatal mistake.
theres survivorship bias at play though, as you have no way of knowing how many liars didnt go too far and never got exposed
@@PaulDkThe thing is closer you are to a spot that matters, than you'll have more eyes upon you, and thus chances of you being found out are near certain.
So sure if you're not a top spot there's a good chance you can get away with it.
fatal? nobody is dyin lmao
@@darionblack4434 My man's never heard of a turn of phrase.
@@failegion7828 again we have no way of knowing whether the chances are near certain. it does seem like it, but we can never know who cheats and isnt found out about - maybe everybody cheats and we just cant tell (i dont actually think so).
I was one of the 2 persons who did the race with jadiwi when he did his 59:46 on DP Any% Manipless(i'm the comparison on livesplit). I was never that disgusted by someone before we learn that he cheated and faked his reaction to us. Moreover, it was one of the person that helped me a lot when i grinded DP Any% so i was shocked when minnow's evidence was released.
I'm so sorry you had to find out this way. 😔
well a least he made you become a better runner, to become what he wasn't
@@doggo7078 i've boped him on DP Any% with manips, so yeah we can say that x)
@@FlameSR_HA! Nice, kicked him down a few pegs before he ever got dethroned by this new stuff
never that disgusted by someone before? you need to get out more man
Throwing the Phoenix Wright music in when the facade starts to crack was truly inspired.
I also love the notion that these cheaters operate like serial killers…they get that first “taste” and just go bigger and more outrageous with the crimes😂
Different Phoenix Wright tunes are actually going through the entire video, but yes.
@@Joe4evr okay so Pursuit, specifically. Absolute banger.
I've seen tons of videos do this. I think it's a trend/meme
It’s all done for attention.
serial killer of the fun of games?
My brow absolutely shot up at the suggestion that his computer was unable to handle a GB emulator. Speaking as someone who's used crunchy computers before, GB and GBA emulators are some of the lightest and least intensive emulators you can get...
I was playing Gen 3 on emulator back in 2002 before it released in EU lmao, what an absolute clown indeed
Even on my potato computers with the worst processors, a GBA emu would run like a dream. DS emus were really not useable for me on those tho. The fact his was good enough for a DS emu but he was saying it wasn't was a clear tip off.
Was thinking the same thing. It could easily handle DS, but gameboy is just too powerful to emulate.
There are GBA emulators that run on phones from 10 years ago. The idea that someone can't handle a GB emulator but can talk on discord is hilarious.
@@VortexMagus there was a GBA emulator for the N-gage which is a phone from 2003. You could also play 3D playstation games on it.
When you see the time it takes to a guy like Werster to get a WR, there is no way you could pull out so many in this short amount of time.
Good catch, as they say in Pokémon...
Hell, it took like 2-3 weeks for him to really nail the new Raikou strat and he still loses at least one WR pace run to the E4 or Red every few days. Rarely if ever makes any gold splits unless he had several other WR pace splits contributing to better conditions going in to the new gold split. He might save a few seconds in a week of multiple full runs a day but the odds of that happening is so very low at this point because he's at the point where any hiccup that snowballs within the next 5 splits tends to just mean an instant reset if he's not already in the second half of Kanto.
I read this comment before watching the video and audibly gasped because I thought this was about Werster
Your just mad
Who in Pokemon has ever said good catch, that's a fishing thing
@@haidynwendlandt2479 that wouldn't be farfetched. Dude submitted a fake Pokemon Blue WR several years ago under a different name to 'try and point' that "emulators are bad mkaaaay.".
He also got banned from the Sonic Speedrunning Community for submitting fake ILs when he was like, 9 or something. A few years later no one likes him still, but that's due to him and his brother being twats.
Jadiwi's speed-running career was like a Magikarp trying to tackle a Dragonite,
a flop followed by a splash of controversy
😐
@@T.T_CenrryTHAre you also thinking of Pimpnite's intros? 😂
@@autobotstarscream765 no that pun was so sad I had to pull up the 😐
@@T.T_CenrryTHyou thought you did something
@@T.T_CenrryTH Well, aren't you just a wet blanket?
Any idea if he is/was a speedcuber? "Getting lucky is not a crime" is a saying/meme from speedcubing
Yes he was actually! I had no idea this is where it came from haha.
Next video of cubing channels: Biggest CHEATER in WCA History Was Just Caught
lmao I've heard of you in cubing years ago
he probably likes to think he is a speedcuber, but he can't get good enough at that either.
Something tells me that Jadiwi was one of those kids who carefully peeled off all the coloured stickers & re-stuck them on matching sides so he could claim he'd solved a Rubik's Cube. LOL
"Getting lucky is not a crime."
I guess he hasn't learned from the Dream situation.
Dude legit nearly took nearly 10k in bounties and "didn't think there was an investigation going on?!" 😂😂😂
Even putting aside the evidence that proved prior DS emulation, how bad of a liar must one be to say your PC can't even run a GBA emulator??? Much like OG Doom, basically anything with a screen can run it...
Now I want to try running a GBA emulator on GBC lol
I've seen GBA emulators run on calculators, much less original game boy
I'm pretty sure my sister's old iBook from 2004 can run a GBA emulator.
are there any more optimized emulators than vba? I remember trying vba on a shitty ass laptop of mine and it was unplayable, so to me it doesn't seem super absurd to have a pc weak enough to not be able to properly emulate GBA
@@flayncelmGBA
Just from reading the start of that Pastebin doc, I love how the moment he got caught, Jadiwi went full villain mode.
When he quits, he goes on to do a very long and sentimental talk, and when he's caught he's like "good game, I'm impressed with your skills..."
Not within the community but videos like this are very interesting to watch, nice work!
Just from what I've seen with videos like these, it's typical, like they're trying to maintain some level of dignity. Actually crazy how similar it seems to the last one where they lie again about their intentions claiming why would I lie now, I'm caught, so believe me (please).
it's a typical coping mechanism from young teens who believe themselves to be smarter than other people.
Years of LoL have entrenched me in the "you guys are such tryhards" line.
Seeing the Speedrun community as a whole analyze every detail to determine a cheater or not reminds me of the Olympics and their approach to doping. I extend my genuine respect to these people, the dedication is heartwarming.
Speedrunning should become a genuine eSport. Maybe not Olympics level but it 100% deserves a bigger event than GDQ (not that GDQ sucks or anything)
@@YourPalKindred While I agree it deserves a better audience and I wish it to be seen as more than "play the least amount of game possible", I think Speedrunning is good like the niche it is. You start turning games into competitions and it loses the magic. I don't want my Sly 2 Speedruns to be sponsored by Gatorade and ruined by it. Lets just be our lil nerdy enjoyers and keep going as fast as we can
@@KiuhKobold That's a good point I didn't consider. If it were larger it would be inevitably corporatised beyond recognition. Growing the sport is a double edged sword.
thats every speedrunning community. Those minecraft dudes can pluck out a pixel and tell if a run is legit or not cuz of it
went on Jadiwis twitch and theres a message on it saying "We don't know much about them, but we're sure Jadiwi is great!"
"gg, quite impressed with the effort to find out how I cheated."
Bro out here with the villain monologue.
Honestly the way of checking the legitimacy of a run by checking the apparent seed/rng that generated the starter's stats is kind of insane. Never expected to see that really interesting!
Agreed, it's really interesting that they can do that sort of 'fingerprint' test. Too bad this method isn't available in more games, it would make catching cheaters easier.
ngl this was the first thing I thought of checking early in the video when they showed the DP run with the Chimchar's stats on the overlay, mainly because I did some RNG manipulation in Gen 4 for competitive battling and I know that certain stat spreads are impossible if it's not from an egg
It’s very interesting
(But like how did that chimchare even appear then….it’s is like highly sophisticated photoshop?)
@@qbertsandy1367 my safest bet is that the Chimchar was hacked into the game or just edited to make those stats by a cheating device. since the steps he took didnt match with the rng that's supposed to generate them in game.
this is crazy, attempting to scam people out of thousands of dollars?? genuinely nuts what people think they can get away with, so glad he was caught! great video!
Considering he did something borderline illegal I would say he got away with it.
@@zwinglerNot if he didn't get the money
And to then have the audacity to claim he didn't actually care about the bounties?! That's a level of narcissism that just makes me want to puke.
Did he get the money or did they not pay him?
@@captain_furret They didn't pay him because the bounties were still live at the time, his cheating was found before they expired.
"getting lucky is not a crime" bro genuinely using the dream defense lmao
I legit LOL'd at the 'One does not simply let Mom see you' meme. That shit is gold.
I respect speed runners a lot, I love the communities because they're passionate and dedicated. When people like Jadiwi infiltrate and deceive and cheat, then after it all comes out, they lie some more, I'm telling you I don't know people who have less going on in their lives. It's stunning to see the efforts people will go through to deceive , almost like a challenge seeing how far they can go with it, sometimes it ends up being pretty far. But even more than that, just kills me to death when they keep playing an entire persona and keep acting like it's real, "I've done all I wanted to do when I beat x and x and x". It's so lame to fake something that deeply . They want the feeling of being a winner but don't want to do what it really takes to really be one. Pathetic. Great video PulseEffects.
It is bad that it happened but I love how the community bands together and finds the evidence to prove it was fake. They love the challenge and race for the fastest time. So when something is suspicious they come together to look at it closer and go back to legitimate competition. It is really telling that none of the legitimate runners ever asked for detail on the prize money. They were more focused on the competition than the reward
What’s so wrong?, he won.
@@katonnor I mean like Wave Runner said, they had very few cheaters as a collective community, so folks got benefit of the doubt. It's really an interesting look inside a speed running community. They're not all the same. If you look at the Goldeneye 007 64 community, they have had a number of cheaters and have very strict standards, and know what to look for in cheating. This community was different, and it got got.
@@talenstout8324 No, he's a loser. Both in game and in real life.
You mentioned patience and that is the one reason why I could never speedrun any of the main series Pokemon games.
That goes for any speedgame. Pokémon being less physically demanding makes it an easier game to grind than a lot of speedgames too.
Some call it patience, some call it waste of time.
Yeah. While I personally like trying to beat a game quickly or doing small optimizations here and there, I'd absolutely wouldn't have the patience (or honestly, the time) to speedrun in any "professional" or "competitive" format.
Speedrunners call it patience, the rest of the world calls it mental illness
@@RJA Honestly, I'd rather get chronic carpal tunnel than failing 95% of my runs due to random number generator.
"I can't run on emulator because my computer sucks"
Dude, your computer has to be a fucking waffle iron if it can't run a GBA emulator. Nowadays most people emulate GBA games on phone.
Hell, if you can use Discord, you sure as fuck can emulate GBA games.
Yeah, I've heard of that guy
He's part of the community of the french TH-camr Fildrong who did a video on his speedrun
Everyone in the comments was proud of him.... Imagine how disappointed Fildrong was when he learned he was a cheater
Fildrong is goated
Funny, isn't it, how people who consistently have these weird and unusual technical problems no one else suffers from so often turn out to be cheaters?
well, I guess he should have talked to his mum first...
Most people watch things like this and feel like they would be able to catch cheaters, but I'd just like to take a moment to appreciate the sheer volume of work that judges and moderators go through to examine runs in excruciating detail before making the call regarding any particular run is legit or cheated. I can scarcely imagine how much work they really have to do while going through the verification process, and how much pressure they must feel when passing their final judgement verifying a run or not.
I remember hearing about an infamous Minecraft run that was suspected fraudulent. The community formed a committee to investigate the runner. I was amazed at their methods of investigation: a full-fledged study using statistics and probability to analyze the chances of obtaining a crucial item in game. I think it was a Monte Carlo simulation. Nevertheless, they determined that the run was fraudulent. Very cool stuff
@@tedgrove7775 That sounds like it might have been the Dream incident.
I know! So proud that they're not trigger happy, cynical masters who assume the worst. I have a wonderful impression of the community simply based on how they handled this cheater~
"getting lucky is not a crime"... but fraud is
I actually read the google doc on this once it got made public in the discord
Shoutout to the mods, it was a very interesting and insightful read
Not getting caught for so long is crazy!
well given the long gap in the community since a cheater was found out i kinda understand why, now when someone starts coming in and taking records on numerous categories would definitely set off a red flag in the community but it took til he got the Sapphire time before things began to raise full suspicion with the admins. i mean once a cheater is caught their records fade away to bring balance back in order.
Kudos to wave warrior for spotting all the mistakes in field movement though via cross reference, honestly it should be a norm to cross reference record holders with previous record holders
What stops him making new accounts and doing it again?
@@MoLO1991 the internet. Especially communities, someone will catch on and they'll be banned yet again
im actually really surprised cheaters arent common in pkmn speedruns
minecraft has so many, they've developed literal spyware to ensure you can't cheat
well minecraft is ran by teens (more often than not, though ofc not always). They are far more often susceptible to the belief they can cheat and get away with it. Even this person was clearly a young teen who thought he was smarter than everyone, giving his hands up "oh you caught me well played" cope that is required too maintain ego integrity and is much easier to do in your teens as you don't understand how transparent it is that you are trying to cope with getting caught.
Splices notwithstanding, Pokemon speedruns are denoted and differentiated by fractions of a second. There are four directions you can go at any time, and every encounter with a trainer, gym, npc or the environment is meticulously mapped out by people who know the ins and outs of everything that can or should happen. There's not going to be a run where someone brings something new to the table that has never been considered. There's no new strategy on the wings. It's down to perfect pathing and rng in fights. Getting a crit when an enemy is low is detrimental because that one text box talking about it takes too long.
Minecraft is much more varied and has many more variables to consider. It's about reacting to what is in front of you. People don't cheat in Pokemon by and large because fooling people who know the game's code or can replicate it in software is...difficult. A big reason Jadiwi made any headway at all is a lack of recording. If a mod had asked him to hard reset a prior run, suspicions could have been raised sooner. As the mod here states, the thing that held people back was trust. Not only was it unlikely someone would try, but accusing someone who didn't cheat would taint their potential prospects in future runs forever.
Meanwhile, Minecraft speedruns are so thoroughly enamored in scandal that it became necessary to question the run first. This isn't a bad thing, as most everyone is subjected to the same level of scrutiny at high-level play, but it shows a fundamental difference in community. Trust and then verify is a good policy until there's thousands of dollars on the line and someone starts gaming the system.
I just want to say very well done on this video Pulse. This kind of topic can often steer close to other drama but you presented everything in a way that was informative, concise, and stuck to the facts of the incident(s).
Great video as always Pulse! This was a pretty shocking story when it happened, and props to the moderation team for investigating and reporting on this thoroughly.
Like your Insurgence runs.
Fun fact : he was part of the french youtuber Fildrong's community, so Fildrong decided to make a video interviewing him something around 2 months ago about his achievements. Then when he got caught, Fildrong made a video about it saying he made the video unnlisted and apologized
Frérot, c'est gentil mais on s'en balek.
@@yurigagarine6998 on s'en fout encore plus de tes réponses inutiles et inutilement negative.
@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa2584 ??? Tu me réponds ça un dimanche à 5 heures du mat ? Mon frère en Christ, tu as besoin de Jésus.
@@yurigagarine6998time zones exist and you were a dick
@@yurigagarine6998Don't take the Lord's name in vain, Frenchie.
Very good video! As someone out of the loop on the entire controversy until this morning, this gives massive context and definitely is a good presentation for those wanting to catch up. :)
But there is still one more question: is anyone else cheating?
My bias against people who use emojis as punctuation is further legitimized.
These videos hit exactly the sweet spot for entertainment we all needed more of! Great to see you getting a big hit with this one and we hope there's more to come soon!
I don't speed run any video games but always watch these videos. None of it ever makes sense to me but it's like my calming white noise that helps me relax. Thank you for the mod team's efforts and you for making this video!
I was in stitches hearing the Phoenix Wright turnabout music at the section where WaveWarrior demanded a hard reset of the game on the spot.
I thought this was werster for a second, that would've been truly devastating
he was the previous cheater referred to in 2014 ;)
Searching the name Werster up out of curiosity and the first result being from a Twitter post he just made less than an hour ago about Chuggaaconroy being a groomer feels like I just got flashbanged.
This was a really well made video, hearing from actual WR holders and moderators of the speedrun page via the interviews was great.
The excuse of not being able to run a gameboy emulator was such bullshit. I remember back in 2001 running Nintendo 64 emulators on an average household computer without issues. A GameBoy emulator will literally run on a potato.
Awesome work done on this video as always Pulse & everyone you interviewed!
Saw this randomly when browsing the speedrun subreddit the other day, I always love some subreddit drama and I knew someone would do a nice video breakdown. Never seen your channel but thanks for the work on this, very informative!
Thanks for making a video about all this drama so everyone can understand what exactly is going on right now. This was really fun to watch.
Prepare for trouble, I'll make my time double. To "outrun" the most pateint, to blindside the people's within this nation. To denounce the records of the truly loved, to extend my reach to the spot above. I am, Jadiwi! TEAM RACKET SPLICES VIDEO AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT! SURRENDER NOW OR PREPARE FOR FLIGHT!
Bruh the way he got caught was legendary. This downright efficient level of self destruction, truly one of a kind.
The mechanics behind these Pokeruns are extremely confusing to me. You did a great job explaining them, I'm just stupid. Definitely a community I wish I could be a part of! I love Pokemon so much
Some more info here for the ones interested: On January 7th, we (meaning MachWing, Grogir, Jadiwi and me) had a 50 minute call (which is not publicly available cause we don't feel like showing a TH-cam tutorial on how to splice runs lol) where he showed us his splicing and gave us some more insights:
- When he cheated his 1:43:52 in Red, he had the OBS setup to hard reset on stream. He mentioned in the call that he actually only had one monitor at the place where he was replaying the vod and that he forgot that phones existed to show the chat. But he technically could have unhid his holder with his actual gambatte (with a save state loaded of the "The End" screen with the correct HP value on Nido) and his actual input viewer and prove a hard reset and could have done whatever chat wanted
- He had the stream for the 1:43 delayed by a minute so that in case of an emergency (video cutting to bad cause he spliced badly or whatever), he could have ended the stream and noone would have noticed, afterwards claiming that his PC crashed or whatever
All in all, I wanna say a big, big thank you to everyone who was helping us here. This was quite a big community effort and just showed me (and probably a lot of other guys too) what a great place PSR usually is!
I mean it isn't my community so I'll admit my lack of investment, but I do feel adding a note like this and sharing his statements is just unnecessary pandering. Man already lied his ass off and got full of himself, doesn't deserve a bunch of people eager to hear how he did it and how much more he could have done imo.
@@craigyeah1052 My comment is meant to serve two purposes: First it shows how scarily close he was to actually fool us for a tad longer. Second I also like to point out when shit people do good things. And I guarantee you that not a lot of people would have taken their time and help a community after their banning, so I felt like telling at least that (especially since it was said in the video that he didn't provide more insight, which is straight up wrong (nothing against Pulse though because I'm pretty sure he never knew that we planned such a call))
Jadiwi's like a melody
There is kind of one thing that does feel similar to something that happened to me. About 20 years ago at a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament at my local game store, I managed to draw all five Exodia pieces on my first draw, granting me an instant win. However, so many of the the other players there accused me of cheating and acted as if I was worse than Hitler. I took the Exodia pieces out of my deck and tried to play without them to prove I was no cheater, but one of those other players refused to accept anything except that I was a cheater. He took that accusing me of cheating to the extreme. Telling everyone who entered the store that I cheater even if they weren't there for Yu-Gi-Oh, refused to let me shuffle my own deck when paired against me in the tournaments, refused all the evidence I presented to show I was a cheater, and this lasted for over two years. Difference is, I didn't cheat, but this topic just triggers that unfair memory I have. And even though he was wrong about me cheating at that Yu-Gi-Oh, he was staking on his very life that his claim was 200% true.
I heard about this. Guy had a secret power granted by the Gods that allowed him to change video game reality. Destroyed his heroes. Faded into the night, leaving the rest of us to wonder if he was the real deal Pokemon Trainer ...
What an incredible amount of time you must have put into researching and editing this video... Super well done! I really enjoyed this!
Jeez,wild situation... thanks for the content Pulse!
I’ve never been interested in the Pokémon speed running community, not have I seen this channel.
But this was a really great video and it was really well made, and it got me to watch the whole thing and be invested in it. It’s very well done.
Definitely going to have to check out the rest of your channel.
I love the speedrunning community and watching videos about speedrun content in general & im especially interested in pokemon speedruns, this video was great! I can never understand what could be fulfilling about cheating and conning people who dedicate their time and like you said, lots of patience for speedrunning (especially manipless pokemon). It's just so disrespectful and loser behavior. Instant subscribe man, ill be binging your videos 👌 This video is really well put together & youre great at the storytelling and explaining to people who arent super versed in speedrunning.
I’m a Pokemon TCG speedrunner/moderator and this whole saga really made me be even more careful when examining runs to approve on our leaderboard than I already am (and I try to be very thorough with run submissions) Kudos to everyone who investigated Jadiwi and for PulseEffects for making this video. Hopefully this deters would be cheaters from doing so in the future
Talking to Mom is probably something Jadiwi hasn’t done much.
"many thanks to the people on the screen who made this video a possibility"
I was so expecting to see Jadiwi in that list :P
"Sir what do you do for a living?"
"I cheat at pokemon"
Thanks for clarifying that he didnt get any money cuz i was totally not putting that together myself
Team Rocket run, cheat and see how long it takes for someone to figure out HOW you cheated. The person with the longest time going unsolved is number one.
honestly i think we should have more people that do fake speedruns (in an educational way) and more educational stuff on fake speedruns in general. not for any reasons like "so people know what to look out for" but just because i think it's a really neat subject
The problem for me is honestly that the more resources we give to people that want to cheat runs, there is a worry that they will become good enough that they can get by undetected.
We tend to see splicers caught by stuff like game mechanics but what if the game simply isn't known in depth enough where we can just check RNG patterns for example?
I get worried that leaderboard integrity is going to head downhill if it becomes too well known "what to do to get away with cheating". It might be unfounded, but it's one of my larger worries in regards to speedrunning as a whole
I’m with you man people would just use that information to cheat even cleaner the only reason this kid got caught was his own hubris. Imagine someone who was motivated and intelligent enough having access to the tools and learning how to manipulate the system it will just make a mess imo
It speaks volumes to the passion of this community, to see them come together like this to oust a cheat.
I'm invested🤘🏻
Great video, liked how thorough it was, glad it got recommended to me.
Those quotes are hilarious, glad you guys were able to flush out someone who seems to have zero integrity and can't even admit they were wrong when caught. Gross! hopefully the community becomes stronger through this!
Vive le Québec ! Gardez-le votre anglais.
@@yurigagarine6998 gross keep eating snails
@@yurigagarine6998what are you talking about dude
@@unemilifleur dehors les Anglais.
@@yurigagarine6998 why are you commenting that on an English comment on an English video about speedrunning Pokemon
Thanks so much for this video and the explanations! I’m new to watching speedruns and found your video super helpful!
9:20 Love the use of Uncharted Worlds here. The Mass Effect menu music is my phone alarm in the morning, it's so peaceful
These videos have been amazing Pulse keep it up!
With the amount of people who cheat in competitive Pokemon, its kind of surprising there aren't more speedrunner cheaters in the community.
The quote at 11:28 was icy cold. Never try to out-special-interest a Speedrunner, they know the game better than the devs.
The p5 interrogation music is so perfect for this kinda TH-cam video, I'm amazed I've not seen anyone use it for this before!
"One does not simply let mom see you" rip visitation rights :(
Geez, I could see a much more clickbaitish title to this, "How being an unfilial son exposed the biggest Pokemon cheater in a decade!"
Despite there not being any cheaters, the fact that the mods have access to these cheat checking tools and knowing how to make use of them is amazing! Good on them, and I think this community looks really great!
Speed runners are amazing, so dedicated and smart, looking at the analysis that helped catch cheaters is always astounding and satisfying.
dude the part where the investigation ( 18:50 ) is using stats comparison and seeding blows my mind!! I never knew u could actually do that damn
This video was dope! I was super invested in the story the whole way good stuff man 😎
getting lucky is not a crime!
pogU
"now im sus" is an all time meme
I want to cheat in Pokémon so that Officer Jenny punishes me.
This is a really well made video, great job!
cheating for prizes is such a vile thing, genuinely boils my blood
Like Karl Jobst says cheaters don't cheat to get fast times. They cheat to get times fast
In this case, he definitely cheated to get fast times considering he did it three times to basically attempt to guarantee he got $8000 out o fit
@Dragonatrix those were bounties with expiration dates. So still to get times fast. I'll agree on it for sapphire tho 1100 hundred attempts and still didn't talk to mom
I cheated speedrunning this video by watching at 1.5x speed.
I watched at 3x speed!
Different game but to tell you the mindset of someone just starting out in speedrunning, since they mentioned what was and wasn't weird about how the cheater shared their PBs and all: I recorded all of my first ever speedrun attempts. As soon as I wanted to be on the leaderboard, as soon as I started tracking my times with LiveSplit, I recorded them all. I deleted almost all of them immediately, because they weren't worth sharing, but I recorded every single one and every time I wanted to share my accomplishments I shared the video, not my splits. Or, since it was Hades, I shared the end screen, but usually that was alongside the video or while the video was taking its time uploading to TH-cam (it's on another channel, don't bother looking at this one lol)
I dont even know how i found this video but damn this was informative, entertaining, shocking, and really had me sitting here for the full 20 minutes like damn then what happened 😮 great story telling man. Sucks the community had to go through that sounds like they were pretty wholesome not wanting to immediately call this "trusted" member a hacker. Unfortunately it didn't go that way 😔
I will NEVER believe someone who says they can't play on emulator because their PC sucks. I was literally playing pokemon on an emulator back in early 2000's, the shittiest computer nowadays is miles better than a gateway work station was back then. It ran fine; because well, the gameboy and the games on it require very little to actually run.
Karl Jobst is normally my go too for speedrun cheaters but this is a great video. Great research, great analyzation and overall just a great presentation.
Hopefully more protective measures can be made in the future to prevent this cheating from prolonging so long in future speed runs
this is extremely well edited! but also what the actual heck is wavewarrior's icon supposed to be on those discord interviews 😭
solid breakdown as always! sad that there's people out there willing to scam so much money for fkin pokemon 💀💀
"so much money"
You mean a few weeks salary over the span of multiple years? He ruined his reputation for basically nothing.
@@B3Band fame attached to money is a hell of a drug. Even if it’s a “niche” sort of fame.
Great job on catching him red handed! But I'm surprised people in SpeedRunning Pokemon community are so surprised about cheating in SpeedRunning....there have been hundred of cases where people cheated speed run in other various games so we all should be careful about this. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there are some cheated SR that were not caught yet...
15:59 Pulseffects became the Pokemon Attorney holy. Music was perfect in this bit
Bro got that dream luck I guess.