The Many Scandals of Dungeons and Dragons
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Dungeons and Dragons is one of the funnest games I've ever played, the genetic origin of an entire genre of video games. Only after you play Dungeons and Dragons do you realize that almost every RPG ever made is trying desperately to give you even a fraction of the freedom you have within D&D. Still, this freedom comes with a price, and that's having to sit across the table from a guy wearing 3+ pieces of Deadpool merch who keeps making the only girl in your party uncomfortable. In this video, we explore how Dungeons and Dragons had Many Scandals over the years, including several run-ins with the Satanic Panic crowd, who saw it as the next incarnation of the Anti-Chris, or whatever his name is. Dungeons and Dragons has many scandals outside of just the satanic panic too, such as how it has been routinely banned within prisons for supposedly encouraging gang activity, and of course, the infamous story of Orion Acaba, ex-cast member of the web series Critical Role.
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0:00 - Rolling Initiative (Intro)
0:58 - Steam Tunnels and Serpents
4:00 - Prisons and Prisoners
7:17 - Suburbs and Satanists
11:58 - D&D's World Famous "That Guy" - เกม
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I will never quite understand how funny you purposefully trying to be not funny is.
Spencer Crittenden from HarmonTown/HarmonQuest is by far the greatest DM ever.
Damn
Do you like Kyuss?
Thanks for pointing out where the " cly-tores" is, On the woman, not in her hand bag where I've been looking for years. No wonder my Gf's always mad.
"Worsened by the media ignoring the discussion around the real, but apparently boring, story of mental health issues and substance abuse in favor of vilifying one of the few things that likely gave this teenager a temporary escape from his problems."
Oof, that line. As true today as it was back then.
If only ppl could understand that correlation does NOT equal causation.
Yeah, I had to pause the video for a second there. That moment was just a little too real and _way_ too sad. Poor kid.
That is the reason why we should ban bread. yk all those serial killers and murderers and cult leaders and stuff, guess how many ate bread. /s
why bother checking what caused the individuals to do their iffy stuff, when you could just blame a new hobby.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Goes hand-in-hand with people blaming things like video games, movies, and books for violent behavior.
The guy that murdered John Lennon? Man, that dude read _The Catcher in the Rye._ I mean, sure, he was also a crazy fucker way before that, but let's blame the book and see where that gets us.
@@HappyBeezerStudios
"How many people have you already killed?"
"How many loaves of bread have you eaten?"
"HOW DARE YOU, BREAD MUST BE BANNED!"
Oh yes. My favorite pen and paper game where me and my buds either summon a dark lord or get angry at the DM for not letting us seduce the rock golem.
the DM, rubbing his temples in exasperation, says to your group "For the last time, _no,_ you cannot seduce the rock golem. It's _animated rocks,_ not a drunk tavern patron."
Why are you trying to seduce a rock golem?
@@axelwulf6220 the DM turns to the new player in the group, and says in a tired tone "They've tried seducing just about every boss I've thrown at them..."
@@axelwulf6220 Why _wouldn't_ you try that option? Especially if you have a bard in the party.
Thus Lmao
"Ma'am, you have gone through something no parent ever ought to go through: the suicide of your own child. Your own flesh and blood and your little baby boy. I hardly believe it's necessary to ask, but will do so anyway: How do you feel?"
"Not gonna lie, kinda bothered."
"Tbh? Bit of a bummer"
"Yeah, what an inconsiderate jerk, right?"
@@ManyKudos I think you mean "bummah".
A little perturbed tbh.
"Not gonna lie, I'm kinda not having a good time."
If you think a bunch of friends working together and using their imagination to solve problems and have fun, is actually a means to enslave your child by the devil, then you need to check your priorities
Who's the real slave in that situation, I wonder
@@ManyKudos
"Some people choose to be slaves of their own lies."
Average parents: *Typical anti-D&D malarkey*
Me: Oh sweet, a pact with Captain Planet!
@@ManyKudos me, I got sold like 3 times to some brothel.... 😐
The pope doesn't even find DnD demonic, he said it's a great way for people to exercise their imaginations and connect with people.
The way Siri said twenty, she almost sounded hurt trying to hold back the tears, you monster.
I regret nothing
That segment made me uncomfortable.
@@KevinDekker unnecessary and violent af. Apparently the "80's truck driver" aesthetic of this guy goes beyond the aesthetics.
@@ManyKudos fudged roll
@@thecorruptversion 🤓
Parents freaking out about their kids' new hobby has been a thing for a long ass time. I shit you not in the 1700s (I think it was 1700s) there was a boom in teenage novels being published, and parents were freaking out that their kids were reading books in their rooms all day instead of playing outside.
Fourth time, for the principle (eff to the uck ewe yt) my meaningless comment will be posted...
Parents worrying about sons watching other parents daughters tea sing on tiktok, and then using their money to see it in action on own le f4 nz
^ no clue what could've been senn and sore ed
What the fuck did I just read
@@gram. Sir, are you ok? Did you just have a stroke?
Some Caveman probably stomped his kid skull in for playing with the new "wheel"
@@lukam.7575 too lazy to try read so stroke joke... Sorry for my salt here haha but oof cmon man, I said I had to change so many words because my comment kept being deleted... so, in that fourth attempt to post, I had to get more creative when obscuring potentially censored words.
I still reckon it makes sense knowing that, no?
Tbf, I gave the heads up at the start of the comment... cuz... youtube nazis.
They banned it in prisons because the warden didn't even want them to be free in their own imaginations... sad...
I hope it's not like that but it probably is.
@@informitas0117 they rape each other in there I think not being able to play a board game is the least of their problems
It's for the prisoner's own good. Most inmates associate D&D with children's games and are likely to assume the ones playing it like being associated/acquainted with children.
@@cl219 That's an idiotic argument and you know it.
I did time in a maximum security pentitentiary and we could play DnD. I had some rule books sent in and I found some people to play with.
And old people say folks today are sensitive. Couldn't play a game without being accused of being actual *devil-worshippers*
Every generation ever acused the following generation of anything. Old Greek texts tell us about "the youth of today being the death of us"
@@Stachelbeeerchen yep it's called juvenoia
the old will curse the new, it is a circle that is thankfully stopping soon.
@@acetrigger1337 I don't know I remember my homies and me cursing out Fortnite and Among us because it was "cringe".
@@Stachelbeeerchen i bet you called things you didnt like gay though
“Rolled a nat 20 with a sledgehammer on his sisters boyfriend” Jesus Christ 😂😂
The whole Orion thing makes the first arc of CR so cringy to rewatch in retrospect. There are so many awkward moments I didn't notice while it ran in the background the first time that, with this additional context, are almost unbearable to watch
for real, i couldnt watch c1, im watching both c2 and c3 now and am having so much fun with them, i read the comics for vm tho.
@@doomerzoomer That’s why a lot of episode guides recommended skipping to episode 24 of campaign 1. You still have to deal with a lot of Orion bs in ep 27 ( his last one) but afterwards things improve greatly.
I tried 3 times over the years to get into CR, and I never knew what stopped me because everything about it is my jam. This time I toughed through it and it was 1000% him and the energy that came with him. The comments were full of people pointing him out by then though, and with advance warning I got past his run and loved the rest.
Y'know, I actually quite liked the roll he played. For all the stupid shit hes done irl, and what with the metagaming, he played the overconfident wizard quite well.
@@averyeml As much as I enjoy watching many of the highlights of CRC1, I will never watch all the episodes. I don't really think that's due to Orion's messing up the good vibes of the first 30ish episodes, it's more a matter of it being a daunting task having to watch so many hours of content ^^
Luckily I caught CRC2 when it started and have kept up since. I would honestly suggest anyone who can't get into CR by starting at campaign 1 to try and start at C3, because it's a lot less daunting to have 5-6 episodes to catch up on than 100+ :P
I remember at my school in the 90's we had a PSA by the headmaster (who was clearly clueless about how to play DND) warning us 5 year olds not to play it at break time, because the game contained "black magic". I don't think a single one of us had even heard of what DND was.
Same here my family bought into the whole black magic thing and banned me. First time I played dnd I was like 25 and completely shocked there was no black magic involved, I thought we would need to make a small chicken sacrifice to summon the dice.
Not a single demon summoned, very sad that day.
@@Gunship888 Did you make up for it by creating a character with "Summon lesser demons"?
What I find interesting about the whole Tiberius incident is that him gettin a half chub is not the only time almost the exact joke is made. yet with the other incidents where other people make this joke its perceived as hillarious. it really goes to show how crutial context and deliver is and how thin the line is between perceiving it as a joke and being straight up awkward and cringe.
Oh yeah, the Critical Cast makes dirty jokes all the time. Hell, they've had loads of offscreen sex, so in most situations it would be a totally fine joke. It's just everything else piled up and made it WAY more concerning.
Besides it being out of the blue (for that situation) and out of character, and seemed forced (I think he was forcing it in to try to be more like Scanlan/steal his bit) I always felt that there was more going on behind the scenes that made that comment worse. Like if he made some kind of inappropriate comment in real life that bugged them, and then making a similar comment in game just made it worse and brought it to the table.
@@coranbaker6401 I think the difference is that Sam can be funny about it, but also, it's very in character, as in he plays it out in character, rather than explaining it out of character? I'm not really sure how to explain it, just feels more like Sam is just being silly and usually making a fool out of himself, rather than... whatever Orion was doing.
That just makes it seem like differential treatment for shaming one person over what another person is allowed to do.
These days actually getting a group's schedule to line up for a game might require some Tom Hank's spells
Ah ha ha Haa
Topical virulent joek
Gibs bumbum pls
Covid was actually a boon for my dnd groups. We managed to play almost every week for 18 months straight. If Roll20 would just be better, I'd have no complaints at all.
@@OddLeah All covid did for my group was give them covid. Work schedules never line up; we've been running the same campaign for 3 years
Doesn’t matter, there’s not enough points
D&D saved me from potential suicide when I was a kid in the 90's. Between the family issues, the bullying in school, and the lack of friends because of the first 2 problems, I was on the verge of ending it all. Luckily I came across person who introduced me to his D&D group. They "rescued" me from my DEEP depression and offered me an escape. my life improved from there.
DnD and by extension TTRPG have saved way more lives then they've ruined! It saved mine too, and has helped have pulled so many people back from the brink!
why is rescued in quotes bro
@@BurntFrost To emphasize the word. So that it sticks out so people know that I mean what I say when I said they rescued me from leaving this mortal coil in my younger teen years. Although with the world as it is today I almost wonder if it wouldn't have been better if I walked out the door then.
@@BurntFrost maybe because a game by itself can’t in most cases literally cure clinical depression but the social connection it can bring can have a huge and meaningful positive impact, and of course it should always be in tandem with any other needed lifestyle changes and professional medical intervention.
I love clicking on these videos and guessing how many virginity jokes he's gonna make this time
I'm on a diet for this one, I cut it back to only one or two
@@ManyKudos LMAO
25 seconds in he already did it
just someone else stereotyping D&D players. Sad really
Honestly, that's why I voted it thumbs down.
Props to Matt Mercer, for being able to dismiss a "half-chub" joke and continue his session.
but i'm sure the others are still traumatized... like me for being aware of that clip.
Edit: i saw the full clip, Matt deserves a +10 on Patience because that guy literally tried to Elaborate with detail... about how his Lizard Dick worked.
He really is a master at proof!
In fairness, if it was Sam that's probably par for the course honestly, lol.
Edit: Oh...Orion. Sucks how he wound up being a "that guy", hopefully he's gotten less dickish in time.
@@crimsonwizahd2358 he stole a bunch of money crowdfunded for an assistant of his so...no, no he hasn't
@@jeremymottram5481 It was a futile hope admittedly....
@@crimsonwizahd2358 While I was one of the most vocal critics of all that Orion did, especially the stuff after the show. I did check out one of his recent streams awhile back. He had taken a rather long hiatus. His father had apparently been killed for one thing. Anyway he is seeing a therapist and discussed that he is trying to become a better person and admitted that he has been a pretty shitty person (My wording). To me this seemed sincere, especially more sincere than his previous "It's not my fault I was on drugs" video. So that's a good start on that path. Sincere acknowledgment that you weren't a good person. So I'm not going to start following him, and I'm certainly not excusing his previous behavior, but I do wish him the best at becoming a better person as he does finally seem to want to actually try.
God man the grizzly hills music is so incredible what a great opening choice
Legit gives me goosebumps, what an amazing expansion
@@ManyKudos Same reaction, even to this day
Yo I finna be the dungeon masta so imma git dat sweet rp poo-c
Nawamsayn muh d&d homies
An unexpected surprise, but a welcome one. Hit me right in the feels man
My husband got into D&D as a long-haired, metal loving teenager in the 80s. He lived through the 80s Satanic Panic. I'm 100% getting him one of those shirts for Christmas 😂
My uncle played DnD in the 80s and today is the most well-adjusted adult out of himself and his four siblings. (it's definitely not exclusively BECAUSE of the game, but it's funny)
@@FrenkTheJoy it pry is tho...
Jenn? Is that you? Kidding. Such fun times as I had a friend who had me hold on to his d&d books when he went home as his mom disapproved of his hobby.
I remember all that BS well !!
I remember hearing something about people trying to have music banned. no, not just heavy metal, ALL music. it apparently was seen as a mind control tactic since there are songs that made you feel sad, songs that made you feel happy, and so on.
Anything fun is seen as evil.
One thing that isn't mentioned in alot of videos like this is that alot of the problems were caused by television pastors that smeared actual christian fantasy content. One of the co-creators of D&D was christian and so was Tolkien. One of the guys at one church I went to did his absolute best to explain that lord of the rings isn't evil and its radically different than the movies. It didn't work unfortunately.
Exactly! Tolkien was, in his own words, "A devout Roman Catholic" and this is extremely evident in his works (especially the Silmarillian.) And DND was obviously influenced by his works. If done right, it can be extremely easy to express truth and goodness through fiction.
Some evangelicals think Tolkien is satanic by default since he's a Catholic, even before he wrote a fantasy book. xD
the ban on prison d&d reminds me of when our teacher banned d&d in the class room and its not like we could hangout after school... it was a private school 45 minutes away from all of us.
real smart educator.... ban your special ed kids with math related learning disorders from playing a game at free time that makes math necessary and fun. also was it worth it that we just sat at our desks ignoring each other at free time when we could have sat together working out how to solve a problem?
welp they are ignoring each other but at least they're not playing that demonic d&d!
That's terrible. Even during the "Satanic Panic" a teacher in our school started a Dungeons and Dragons club for the kids to play D&D in several groups. She didn't even know how to play, but had heard about it and just left it up to the kids to know how to play and do whatever they wanted to do. It uses math, problem solving, creativity, and is a bonding activity.
@@Logan_Baron exactly and my teacher was too busy clutching her pearls to think about it.
The school system is as demonic as the American work force. There's no room for "games" in hell.
@@charles67198 this was a private special education school, she was just clutching her pearls. it was satanic panic.
I'll conffess: I was "That Guy" when I first got into D&D. I had just finished FFIV and when some classmates got me into joining the tabletops games club, I joined their D&D group immediately, making your cookie-cutter paladin, lawful stupid and all. Now THANKFULLY, I was blessed with good party members that helped me understand how it was a team effort to win fights and puzzles, all while also knowing how being good doesn't always mean doing the most righteous things. And I also had a hard time accepting bad rolls, but they also helped me understand how failure is part of getting better at things.
And now, years later, I'm aa DM for some relatives in our own Tyranny of Dragons campaign, with them accompanied by a Paladin who wishes to protect them from the dangers ahead and hosting secrets that even he doesn't know of.
Holy shit, someone actually mentioned the whole Orion thing. Most of that whole scandal has been scrubbed from the internet for the most part. You really did your research.
Eh you just have to know where to look, mentioning it on the main Critical Role subreddit will get you shutdown and banned...in fact a LOT of things will get you shutdown and banned on the main subreddit...elsewhere though it's more openly discussed.
Or some of us are not Critters and don't care.
@@RottenRogerDM That doesn't negate that he still did a lot of research on a hard to find topic so I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment....?
@@luketfer I love their work and would love to support it but I can't condone their behavior toward fans and some contributors. I remember them shafting a guest who played a very entertaining draconian necromancer. They killed his character and haven't had him back despite his name getting cleared.
Tbh, it is kind of an unspoken thing that Orion is a topic that just is not something the fandom likes to talk about, particularly this long after.
As a result, a lot of the theorycrafting videoes on the situation that once SWARMED youtube have been deleted or privated, and a lot of forum topics locked down
Kids today will never understand what it was like during the 80's Satanic Panic. I had been playing D&D with my friends since I was 10 years old. Used to go to the shops on my bike and anywhere else. Would hang out at friends' houses etc. No problem....until...... Ray Martin and the tabloid media got onto the salaciousness of D&D. My mum saw a single report presented by good ol'Ray. This was at 14 year old. Suddenly, overnight, we were banned. Banned from D&D, banned from roaming the neighborhood on our bikes, going to the shops by ourselves, hanging out at each other's houses. The parents all rallied to save us from Satan. And then, about 6months later, it was all forgotten. Nothing more was ever spoken of the dangers of D&D etc. It was like nothing happened. It was weird.
You know Millennials, as a Gen X you hear me slag off Boomers a lot and may wonder what all the fuss was about, that it's a bit age-ist, etc. But never forget, we had them as our parents, teachers, community leaders, and they were ALL absolutely the biggest fuckheads you could possibly imagine. In fact, when the Simpsons came out, I thought it was based on our town. It wasn't. It was based on ALL towns. The reason why we all have no future, is directly because of their ridiculous stupidity.
@Maya Nightwolf - except... if you see someone being racist on Facebook, odds are that they're a boomer
There's a reason for that
There's a difference between "general" and "specific"
Let's do another one, for an example: "the USA is a massively racist country"
Clearer now?
Counter point. I started in 1980 and up to 2004 never met any one affected by the Panic. Oh also I lived in the Deep South. Never heard of Ray Marin. Who was he?
@@RottenRogerDM and yet, I live in Australia where there was next to no 'satanic panic', and know several of my older, more alternative friends who were beat up in the 80s and 90s as a result of the Satanism idea. Just because you specifically were sheltered doesn't mean every one was.
Wasn't Sheltered. Just pointing out I didn't see it.
Did your mom ever give a reason for buying into that stupidity?
D&D: And here is one of the most important character classes. A priest that can heal the sick and banish evil monsters.
80s Parents: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A SECRET DEMON WOULD DO
The logic was that only the Lord can perform such acts. Anyone else doing so was most likely satanism because men were never meant to perform miracles that God could do, so they must have gotten that power from the devil to try and sway others away from the lord's faith.
That being said, it was indeed stupid reasoning to apply to fiction. People back then were all too gullible.
As someone who is mildy interested in D&D, I find the 'That Guy' chapter to be really educational. If I do ever commit to a legitimate game, I'll know how to treat the game and the people around me. Not acting like a 'main character' or metagaming. It's quite literally role-playing in a fantasy world. You and a bunch of friends on a journey. I don't ever wanna be 'that guy.'
I'm playing my first campaign with some friends at the moment. We're a weird band of characters that basically just bimble about from adventure to adventure but never actually become friends. My character ended up sort of becoming the leader of the group but only in combat because he's an ex soldier, but even then I never act like a main character because it just never seemed like that was the point of playing the game. After watching this, Jesus am I glad I had that mindset and never became THAT guy because it must be infuriating to play with someone like that.
Go for it ^^
Personally I think _everyone_ in a D&D party is entitled to their moment as the "main character". You just need to remember not to step on others' toes to get even _more_ spotlight.
Everyone starts out with a bit of "that guy" syndrome. Most people grow out of it in time and understand what their role should be when it's not their turn (be quiet or give suggestions)
I don't think I had a 'that guy' phase, but I definitely wanted to be a hero. Folks, when making your character, make sure you're alright with seeing that character fail because they *will* roll a nat 1 and face plant every now and then. That was the biggest hurdle for me, being ok with my characters failing because the image of them I had in my head was too cool for something like that to happen to them.
I wasn't into the ttrpgs, decided to get my character killed so I had an excuse to stop but I ended up selling out the party to bandits, party survived the ambush and learned I had sold them out and hunted me down for vengeance. Felt so great when the party found me and executed me so I was immediately hyped to reroll and continue.
Fuck I had my own experience with "That Guy" playing Rifts, His character was a T800 Terminator who's fake human skin had more SDC then the whole party combined and wouldn't give a shit about it but the guy was obsessed with getting armor for it. "I need armor for my skin" has become a meme to us now.
I remember trying to play DND with some of my buddies in the USAF, we stopped playing because the guy playing a barbarian refused to accept that he couldn't attack all enemies at the same time.
Fury allows 3 attacks so was there more then 3?
Lol sounds like someone I knew
You should have started up a new secret campaign without him lol
Did he rig the clip or did he actually hit a 20 ,after rolling a dice with Siri, first take .
I did like 7 takes where I called Siri all sorts of shit, that one happened to be the best one + I rolled a 20 so I had to choose it
@@ManyKudos I’d be very curious to see the various outtakes of this.
I can personally verify as a former corrections officer that my inmates fucking LOVED playing D&D. Nothing causes more cognitive dissonance than hearing a gang member in prison for executing his girlfriend with a handgun casually and excitedly shouting, “I casting magic mothafuckin’ missile my n***a!” with his friends. I preferred them playing D&D over stabbing us and each other, so that some states banned it is insane to me.
That and hearing that shouted sounds like one of the most funny bonding things you could hear in a prison. That sounds genuinely hilarious XD
I went to prison when I was eighteen and it was so funny to me dungeons and dragons was banned. This of course made it more popular and that’s where I learned to play it ironically
yeah i allway think that d&d is great for the guys in prison... is so sad is like they try keep the bad guys bad....
As someone who worked at a prison, it's not about the game it's about what it can he used for. Although sure those that play d&d would use the game for what it is, but prison is filled with those who manipulate, and giving the opportunity to have maps and a way to pass gang orders will be abused. I did work at a max level prison tho, so my experience is not with dui offenders but people with life plus and staff assaults were badges of honor for these inmates. Often times these takes forget that these are not day camps with good people but filled with people that have committed some of the most horrible and horrendous crimes you can to others.
Can confirm the Dungeons & Dragons in prison thing. My mom works as a psychologist at the state penitentiary where I live, and she had asked me a couple months ago about D&D, as she was considering it as an activity to help with their mental health. I've been helping her figure out the game and find campaigns for them. It's been really neat. An interesting little anecdote is that they have to use some sort of card based solution for rolling dice since dice can be used as weapons and gambling in a prison. Outside of that, it's all pretty much what you would expect.
You can feel the second hand embarrassment in the "half chub" clip. Genuinely one of the most uncomfortable clips from a livestream I have ever seen.
god, Travis looked ready to kill the dude.
What does half chub means anyway?!
@@xXSoulGeoXx half an erection, in case you hadn't heard it yet.
Personally, Matt isn't the ONLY worthy DM in the business out there; I've found tons of others.
Spencer Crittenden
Brennen Lee Mulligan
Joshua Burner (AKA The Fiery Joker)
Takahata101
Aabria Iyengar
the list goes on
Gonna need to ask where you found Takahata101 as a GM.
Many Kudos and DND in one place. I'm in heaven.
damn bro you rolling a nat 20 charisma roll and making me blush
PSA: Only talk about your dragonborn character's internal half-chub in a group of furry porn consumers, not on the most watched livestream on Twitch.
Lol half the critters are furry porn consumers. Look inside your heart, you know it's the truth.
That YandereDev monster sheet though…
(Yes I paused to read it and yes I have nothing better to do)
Did you like that I made him an ooze
Those stats are so awful. What the heck would its actions be?
@@coranbaker6401 better question, why does it have 14 int? who gave a slime that much brain power?
Lmao the “half chub” bit of Orion’s nonsense is weird considering he’s saying it about the character of a player married to another guy on the crew. It was creepy because of how weird and “that guy” he’d been and also because his character doesn’t say things like that and neither does Orion, usually.
I have a feeling there was a conversation between Matt and Travis that went something like "He made my wife very uncomfortable and if he comes back next week I will hurt him." The look on Travis' face after that comment gives me chills.
@@notronsivart Seriously! Not to get all old school “women must be protected” but if I’m going to be a creep, I’m NOT fucking with THAT guy’s wife 😳
@@averyeml It cannot be overstated how absolutely Hugelarge Travis is. He's built like a mack truck. The guys a complete marshmallow from what I've seen but even good natured folk have their limits and he looked like one more "halfchub" comment at his wife and Orion would be eating his own dice.
Funnily enough, later in that campaign there were some pretty explicit scenes with Percy and Vex, but I imagine that unlike Orion's crude remarks, this is something Laura and Taliesin worked out well ahead of time, and it was genuinely heartwarming (and oftentimes hilarious).
Plus Taliesin is an immortal vampire so I don't think he counts.
@@KiwiLombax15 Yeah this is probably the only time you ever see Travis legit furious at someone at the table (he's gotten angry at the dice before but every does that) and I get the feeling that if cameras hadn't been rolling he would have personally just done an Uncle Phil and hurled the guy out of the building. Otherwise he's a big softie who happens to also be built like a Mack Truck...
Back in about 1987, I lost several of my classic modules to the satanic panic. My older brother--without permission!--let a neighbor borrow all of my modules, and while he was borrowing them, his mother decided D&D was satanic and BURNED ALL HIS STUFF, including mine. I lost Scourge of the Slave Lords, The Ghost Tower of Inverness, The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth, and Tomb of Horrors. I only was able to get copies of all those again in late 2019/early 2020.
it would make sense the "eye for an eye" applied to that lady, biblical justice.
Thanks so much for recognizing the importance of DnD in prisons. I spent 14 years in California prisons on a bullshit sentence and was bitter and angry till playing DnD helped me change my attitude. Yes, in some places they tried to stop it and we did have homemade dice and spinners. Some places were cool and we got it into the hobby program. We got books and dice sent in were given a central place to play. I made lifelong friends there and we still get together and play it on the streets. I don't know how I would of made it through that hell without DnD.
I honestly think that encouraging or even just allowing dnd in prison would help rehabilitation efforts immensely.
100% agree i am shoked to learn there is a ban... at least not in all prision, i hope it will be soon lifted
If I trust another comment's take, the ban made it more popular and they learnt how to play in a facility ironically because of It, so who knows?
In hindsight, publicly decrying what is, if you look from the outside, a pretty boring game as one that has curses and demons, is the worst thing you could have done to stop teenagers from playing DnD
Yeah. I think the Dead Alewives really hit that feeling on the head with their D&D bit.
The real dungeons and dragons scandal was the friends we made along the way.
I'm so glad that there haven't been any D&D scandals recently.
Arcadum what are you doing?
"You, idiot! We were keeping it cool after the Mercer Effect and how Matt himself had to step in, look what you've done!"
oh... so THAT is what that is.
The last one I remember was someone complaining about Orcs being racist or something, which inspired an optional rulebook that basically let you break the game in the name of inclusivity.
@@KetsubanSolo correction, WOTC basically made it so that characters of any race could no longer be INHERINTLY evil. Basically orcs couldn't be evil just because they were orcs anymore. There had to be some reason that made them evil like the drow. Although this change was not resulting from the whole argument about orcs and racism.
@@KetsubanSolo it's a bloody 2 point stat change, break the game my ass
I just finished a double feature of "Mazes and Monsters" and "The Dungeonmaster", so it's great to see this pop up afterwards. Perfect ending to the day.
This video couldn't have come out at a more ridiculous time, people bullied wizards of the coast into removing enslavement from the beholder and Mind flayer because apparently having mythological creatures enslave other mythological creatures was problematic and too close to enslavement in real life
Was that the reason? For me personaly it just felt lazy. Almost every of the "evil" races are slavers.
Beholders? Slavers.
Mind Flayers? Slavers.
Giants? Slavers.
Orcs? Slavers.
Chromatic Dragons? Slavers.
Those weird frog people? Slavers.
Any race that could have a complex motivation in contrast to conventional moral beliefes to make for an interesting opponent? Slavers.
Personally, I love enslavement in made up worlds. As messed up as that sounds, it means you have a goal: To stop the slavery. Its why I love Kenshi so much. It does not shy away from Slavery or Sexism at all. In fact, its two of its most major themes. And it lets you actually DO something about it. People need to understand that just because you have something really messed up in a game doesn't mean the developers automatically condone the messed up thing. In fact, its needed for some worlds to actually exist. Completely cutting out those themes in fiction destroys some wonderful stories that could happen as a result.
Preemptive comment so I don’t forget it: I bet League of Legends (and Smite and Dota) has plenty material to work with AND could be quite hot on [THE ALGORITHM] for the next while
FACTS, it's on the list!
I always wondered what happened with Orion, heard the rumours of dice fudging but not the rest of it. Wow, if they managed that split peacefully they dodged a bullet.
Yeah it was a lot if I remember it all, if it was just metagaming and main char sysndrom tallisin would be gone too.
"Just like whatever political party you don't vote for" had me laughing 😆
I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was trying to cope with her loss in her own misguided way.
If you mean Egbert, I can't really sympathise with her. The lad was a child prodigy, and he was STILL being pressured to outperform everyone else *when he already was.* The fact that he tried to kill himself three times in the span of a year really says a lot about the kind of position she put him in.
I got into Critical Role not long after I got into D&D and was sucked into Campaign 1. Admittedly, I skipped to battles and dungeon crawls a lot at first, but even a rookie like me noticed Orion's crappy moves during the battle with K'Varn. He literally hung outside of the lair to avoid 'Lair Actions' he revealed previously BY NAME, fired a few little spells, then when the Mind Flayers were coming in, he tried to become Action man to rally them for aid, and then stole the final kill after swooping in (Travis asked something along the lines of 'Are you kidding', I believe). Then when Vex killed the revived K'varn, Orion got all pouty like he lost the wind from his sails and began packing up to leave before the game was done and Marisha had to whisper to him to quit it. Orion's excuse? He thought Matt was trying to kill them. He played with Matt how long before the stream? He should know Matt doesn't DM that way. A newbie at the game could tell he was being toxic and out to become the main character.
Now that I'm more experienced, I can't really enjoy the first twenty-seven episodes like I did because I can see more of his toxic habits.
At some point towards the end of campaign one, after seeing a few best of Grog videos, I looked up the first few episodes of Critical Role just to see if there were more definitive character introductions. I very clearly remember starting the first episode, looking at the familiar cast, stopping at Orion, and saying "Who the fuck is that guy?"
I go back and do rewatches of C1 occasionally (still my favorite campaign) and see a lot of new viewers, that usually started on C2 (last time I did was before C3 started) and many started watching later parts of C1 first or highlights, and then go back to the start and you see a lot of "Wait, what happened to this Tiberius character" or "Who's this Orion guy" because he's not in C2. And a lot of responses of "Just wait" With the animated series for C1 happening now, I expect we'll see a lot of new viewers deciding to check out the actual campaign and expect a lot more of "Wtf, who's Tiberius" since he won't be in the show. Especially funny since they're actually showing scenes that he would have been in when it was at the table, and he's been essentially retconned out.
@@Logan_Baron Tbf. What are they supposed to do if he holds the copyright for the character.
I keep meaning to watch Critical Role. I know there's an insane amount to catch up on.
I'm slowly chipping through it and loving it! The TH-cam creation process doesn't leave me with a lot of time to be able to listen to podcast-style shows though :(
They actually release all of their episodes in a podcast format
They just started their third campaign a few weeks ago. If you wanna start,that's a good spot
@@ManyKudos I'm similarly interested in watching, if nothing else to start understanding the ins and outs of it, especially from the DM's perspective (might try to create my own little campaign for fun with friends!). Is the first campaign worth going through even with Orion's issues throughout, or would the second campaign be a better starting point for that reason?
I got into critical role around the same time I got into Warhammer and needed something to play in the background while painting minis, which was good timing. My advice to anyone looking to binge cr is a) have it as your go to listen for a long commute, at the gym, any chore or task b) Don’t feel like you *have* to finish it all like a home work assignment, that will suck out the fun. You can even use episode guides or summaries to skip certain arcs if you really want to catch up
Makes me sad about Orion.
I know him, and he's such an outgoing, boisterous guy that really knows how to tell a story, but there's so much stuff going on around him, I knew I needed to distance myself.
Taliesin and Marisha, though, are the sweetest people ever. Met them at Disneyland a few years back, and they were amazing. Marisha was so excited, and was searching her bag to find a #thankskeyleth button, and was bummed she didn't have any left, but then took one her friend had and gave it to me.
I like that you always, whether you actually do or not, seem to know a decent amount about the things you talk about and it feels nice to listen to. It sounds like you are talking about something you care about, not just "reading off a wikipedia page in a monotone voice."
I just now got to this in my queue. My thanks to you for calling out Orion Acaba. There is a reason season one begins in Kraghammer which is actually a few episodes into S1 CR for those of us who have been on the band wagon before they had one. You can really see it in the background. The set looks like a dime store prop shop. Fast forward to Thursday Night in January 2022 .. Wholly Amazeballz .. From the suggestion of Felicia Day to the modern day Legend of Vox Machina, D&D and TTRPG are ROCKING the entertainment industry. Some folks have criticized CR for how much they earn right now but I tell you they started with Nothing and a Concept. I am proud to have been one of the early endorsers of this phenomenon and I think that the entire D&D5E team owes much of their success to this little endeavor that a few brave souls embarked on, namely, Critical Role.
I grew up in the 80s and discovered D&D and LARP in 1993. My mom was worried at first and I can't blame her. She didn't know anything about it and I went full steam ahead into the hobby. My first weekend of LARPING was SO intense (imagine being 13 years old, camping away from home without parents, playing with your group of friends in an amazing scenario on a huge piece of land with 80 other players, almost everyone was older with awesome costumes and the monsters were really terrifying. There was even a white dragon played by a professional comedian on stilts with lights for eyes who would only come at night. His lair was on a real island on the frozen lake and he was worshipped by cultist orcs...some of his treasure was in blocs of ice that we had to melt to get all the coins, magical necklaces, rings, gold cups, etc...) So when I came back to reality I was really sad and depressed that it was over and was only thinking about the next weekend of LARPING 4 weeks later. I ended up buying the season pass at 600$ for 10 weekends, food included, 2 years in a row and became vice-president of the company at 15.
But my mom was really cool with all of that eventually and would even let me the appartment so I could play with my friends...
I became a DM at AD&D2e, CoC and Torg but I haven't played in 20 years. I would like to get back into it but I find it was a lot of fun to play with friends, and my friends don't want to play anymore so...
The "prisons and prisoners" one amazed me, specifically how they went around the dices problem
I think I'm just one of the lucky few who grew up with my dad and his brother who were big into D&D for a great while (real life gonna real life though).
Hell, they even met Gary Gygax in person and got stuff signed by him!
You should cover Warhammer 40k scandals or just Warhammer scandals there’s more than enough from just gw alone for an entire video
In '77 me and my best friend were late for school a lot during the winter. So we had to go get interrogated by the vice principal. During the interrogation he asked us what we did for fun, so we rattled off a dozen or so things including playing D&D. Next thing we knew our parents were called in and were told we should be sent to counselling for our 'dangerous' activity of playing D&D(but not racing home made gocarts on the streets, playing in construction sites, skateboarding in open sewers or jumping our bikes off cliffs). My mother told them to f off(literally, which blew my mind because she didn't swear often) but my friend wasn't so lucky. Oh and why were we late for school? Because it was one of the most severe winters on record and there were HUGE snowdrifts all over the place so we'd bring some waxed cardboard with us on the way to school and get in some welfare tobogganing in. Nobody ever asked us about that.
Orion's the kind of guy who no one in the friend group knows why he's in it, but they're all too insecure to say anything.
Almost all of my church teachers told me that they played D&D growing up.
Thank GOD you explained what happened to Orion! I’ve always wondered wth happened. Thanks for the concise and well done explanation on that and the other topics covered. Love this series!
Ah, Matt Mercer. Ol Matty M. What a legend.
A stellar DM, who makes millions doing what everyone else does.
A good writer with a knack for world-building, in desperate need of an editor.
A stand out in knowing when to ease on the rules to allow for fun, to the point where your players will quote HIS rulings for YOUR game.
We don't hate you, Matt Mercer. We hate what you've turned DMing into: an unending juggling match between people quoting you or Jeremy Crawford, but always only when it benefits them.
16:28 you can see it in all of their faces. The sheer discomfort. Was so glad to see him go.
Having grown up in the 80s I remember the Satanic Panic. As far as I can tell the only difference between that and the Salem witch trials is that in the 80s no one grabbed a torch.
Oh this brings back memories. As a kid growing up in the 80's and having two VERY religious parents (more so my mother) I can remember a friend of mine mentioning D & D in front of my mother and her going absolutely bonkers. I remember even when the cartoon came out in the early 80's and making it halfway through the first episode and my mother coming in the living room and her flipping out. I think if I recall I got dragged down to church to be forced into confession. Yep, it was that bad.
Puling apparently didn't even know that her son played D&D until after his death (and there is no evidence that he was actually THAT into it). I believe that part of his issues was that his family seemed to ignore him and have no clue what was going on in his life. Or at least that multiplied his problems. Because if he had issues, but a family that paid attention to such things, they could have possibly helped him. I think that was part of Pulings reason for striking out at D&D, to cast blame anywhere but even a little bit toward herself.
I lived through that "Satanic panic" and remember the claims of at so many suicides or other incidents, there were Dungeons and Dragons books. But D&D was very popular, so the odds are that any random house would have D&D books. It's like blaming Monopoly or Checkers because there was a game box of such at the sight of the suicide or other incident.
The shade being thrown in this video, could blot out the sun for the whole earth. :P
Which means you must be a D&D fan...cause no one else could put that kind of heavy down and sleep at night without waking to the sounds of weezing breaths and snorts.
Hey you, you‘re finally awake. Wait no, that‘s something else
we have a local fearmongering story about D&D in my area - albany NY (cue steamed hams reference). supposedly some guy killed his parents over D&D because he couldn’t distinguish fiction and reality? and ofc all the boomers blame D&D instead of the guy’s mental health and how since this was the 80s in small town upstate NY he probably didn’t get the best treatment. his name was Wyley Gates and he lived where my mom grew up.
I think that’s just an old wives tale old people say. I’m from southern Mexico and the boomers told me about a guy who killed his parents over gta because he confused fiction over irl life
@@erikpaulsanchez4876 yup, certain people will always scapegoat whatever is popular to avoid taking responsibility for not caring for their children, for not dealing with mental health, for not being responsible gun owners, etc.
anyone else who came of age in the early 00s will remember jack thompson who thought - among many other offensive things - that columbine was caused by video games and not by bullying and nazism.
He was a wily old bastard, that Gates
*Bill Gates
How did you forget to talk about the Chick Tract "Dark Dungeons" that tried to tie Playing D&D to the practice of witchcraft.
“Rolled a Nat 20 while using a sledgehammer on his sister’s boyfriend” is such an underrated line.
Back in my day if you wanted to play d&d you needed 3 friends who could keep a secret. And now it’s like mainstream. It’s nice to nerd out sometimes
We played so many tabletop RPGs in prison, getting print-outs of rules and battlemaps sent in. We used playing cards for dice rolls.
I’m actually really curious how that works, using cards for dice? I can see how the ace through 10 cards word, but how do the you use the face cards, and how do you use them for a d20
@@eazy8579 we'd use the black suits for 1-10 and the red suits for 11-20 or vice versa, the face cards would be used for other things like initiative order
@@rowantritton8659 oh that makes sense. Thanks man
I have managed to have a different 'that guy' in every campaign I've ever run. Some would metagame to make themselves stronger, some would fudge dice rolls, and some would straight up tell me that what I was doing as the DM was wrong and would try to take the reins midgame to play their characters scenario out the way they wanted.
The game really brings out all kinds.
Ive been playing D&D since the 80's....this video was great fun as i remember the "steam tunnels" controversy and my moms initial concern. One of my friends had to actually play in secret if you can believe that. it was ALL so ridiculous. XD
I had to play in secret aswell and carry my few copies of D&D with me, all the time, to save them from the fire. Nowadays I always go out with a backpack, I've just realised it may well be due to that.
Pat Pulling's The Devil's Web is one of my prized possessions. Managed to obtain it at a cheap price a few years ago when writing a uni paper on the satanic panic and D&D.
The Pulling Report by Michael A. Stackpole is a must read!
Most dnd games tend to have people fighting forces of evil. Like with how I Doom you kill literal demons, you'd think Bible thumpers would love this
Then again, Bible thumpers
And they ain't cute.
Er, no, however silly their objections, this completely misunderstands them.
First of all, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply. The christian worldview has the faithful surrounded by a world of different enemies, some willfully evil but most manipulated by one evil force.
Second, evil campaigns exist and spellcasters can get their powers from all sorts of evil sources. Even a cleric with a "good" god is still rewarded by the game for being a practicing pagan.
Third, magic in christianity is generally anything that would be a miracle if powered by God, but which was not powered by God. This is because in christianity, the only other possible source of supernatural power is Satan and his demons. It does not matter if you align with good guys and fight bad guys. Satan would not give you his power without an evil plan, and you would not accept it if you served God.
The fear is that DnD will make magic look cool, but the only way to persue that outside the game is evil.
Doom is a fantasy about being able to ward demons off, not by the protection of God given to you in exchange for a lifetime of prayer and obedience, but by having a bigger gun. To a christian, this is easily framed as your kids failing to take a real threat seriously.
Tell me you know nothing about what you are critizicing without telling me you know nothing about what you are critizicing
This is by far one of my favorite new channels, idk if it’s new but it’s new to me lmao
"James Dallas Edwards the first" that boy was a victim of his own parents
considering my current character is a Lizardfolk Cleric who literally doesn't experience emotions, it would take quite a bit of dissociation for me to mistake myself for them. i do find it ironic that the people who think D&D players can't distinguish between fantasy and reality themselves cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality.
"I have spells. I'm going to fly." coming from Baby Tom Hanks is one of the funniest things i've ever heard, tho.
Still anticipating the “The Many Scandals of Furries” video.
My mum DOES still call every console a nintendo indeed. Doesn't come up often but every now and then she'll ask if I still buy the 'newest nintendos'
seeing a new ManyKudos video in my TH-cam subscriptions box really makes me say "poggers" which was a bit weird because I was at the doctor's office getting my colonoscopy
Biggest takeaway from this video
I'll now curse at my D20s like it stole my parking spot
I would like to thank all of those past, present, and future who will work tirelessly to rid our world of things like D&D, violence in movies and on TV, video games, and music with dirty words in them. Your efforts unwittingly gave those industries that you hate so much the publicity they needed to reach new audiences that they may not have otherwise reached, thus allowing them to become what they are today. Again, thank you.
Streisand Effect. Also - If you tell someone they can't do something - that's the first thing they do.
My grandpa would tell stories of that he would play dnd with this one gay kid. At Michigan State in the 70s. That one day he disappeared and his name was James Rolf. That’s the guy my mind is blown.
1:15 Damn, ManyKudos really goes to extra mile for these videos. He became a lawyer and went back in time just to be in a single image for this video.
I started dming for my kids and its helped their critical thinking and coming up with some pretty fun ways to solve problems and I keep telling them there is more than one way to solve the problem you just have to think.
My character names were usually made up anagrams (well almost) of Tom Hanks. Thanks for introducing D&D Tom for:
Ankh Storm the Weaver
Oh god. I'm that guy.
I get bored and my ADHD riddled brain makes me try and speed campaigns along, effectively fucking the experience.
Oh god.
Looking at the stuff that went on, maybe there's a reason why Capcom sent Apollo away...
The merch looks good, love the classic graphic art style
...So when can we expect a sequel video that includes the OGL incident from earlier this year?
What some of us had to deal with, during the Satanic Panic🤬🤬🤬
One of the funny claims “how can you tell reality vs imagination”, I asked that about my own mother more than a few times.
‘It seemed an ‘escape’, that didn’t involve ‘squashing/wining against other players’ was feared. (Imagine that, ‘working together’ how terrible. Then, in later years they’d all fall back on the ‘well, it was the pictures in the books’.
Then try and explain that your game is ‘good versus evil’. Fighting as Good versus evil, outside of the ‘bible’?!?! To some, an impossible concept.
All I’ll say is I started in ‘83, and still proud, and ‘gaming’👍👍👍