What if the Lion returned instead of Guilliman?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2019
- What could be different if the Lion returned instead of Roboute Guilliman? We all know the Lion is probably not the best Primarch to work with and his personality can be difficult.
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Not to sure to do this as a series, like 'What if the Khan returned instead of Guilliman?'
What if Corax or Russ returned instead of Guilliman.
How about Alpharius return instead of Guilliman
Revan Rushardi what if he’s already here...
@@RevanR not possible Alpharius is actually dead by Dorns hands.. unless the chaos gods revive him.
How about a video for each of the remaining Primarchs covering if they showed up and how it would affect Gulliman and the Imperium as a whole?
The Emperor: almost dead
The imperium: reduced to a fanatical religious cult
The dark angels: besiged by all sides by chaos and xenos
Lion El'Jhonson: "I'M TAKING A NAP!!"
Bruh he gotta lower that stress somehow
@@jonniezodiac Wake me in another ten thousand years.
Then get Failbbadon to poke him with a stick.
>Lion learns what his sons have been up to.
>Orders every single one to form a single file line to get a mighty backhand from him.
What have they been upp to?
focusing of their personal mission instead of being loyal to the mission of the dream of the imperium, humanity and the emperor.
"loyalty is it's own reward" *Lionel Jonson*
@@felixjohansson7841 this coming from a guy who sent away his own loyal sons and librarians without even telling them why and making them think he hated them (hence them becoming the Fallen)
@@zjjohnson3827 Loyal is debatable, at least with Luther and Zahariel.
Luther was basically only moments away from allowing someone to kill the Lion because of his personal pride and ambition, and Zahariel found out and chose not to tell the lion.
That is both arguably treason.
What if the Lion returned instead of Guilliman? Mortarion would be dead.
*Lion El'Johnson Wakes up*
"Aw Shit here we go Again"
Can we have a "what if Perturabo was chosen to be praetorian of Terra"
AKA if the imperial palace was never breached
Ohhh I would like to see this
Better yet, what if Perturabo never fell?
Shut up Pertutabo. We all know it's just you posting under a sock account from the basement of your 2nd rate demonic fortress.
Or more likely an imperial palace that would fall to a stiff breeze
That actually sounds like a really good video. Mostly because if Perturabo became Praetorian of Terra then he never would have turned traitor.
"There's a chaos warlord hiding in a heavily populated cit-"
The Lion, watching My Little Pony or Thomas the Tank Engine or something: "nuke the city from orbit"
"S-sir we know where he is; I have my best.."
Lion: "oh...load the nukes into drop pods first so it technically won't be nuking the city from orbit."
(From the other side of the galaxy Guiliman's eyes snap open in rage)
"Come in Intolerant, this is Dreadbringer. . ."
The whole site would be Dreadwinged.
Don't understate the Lion's acumen though. During the Great Crusade, the Lion kept the planets productive and compliant for the Imperium with an economy of force. This is mentioned in Russ' primarch book.
Guilleman just sits upright and hisses a single word.
*"Johnson."*
As a Dark Angels fanboyy, I would have loved to have seen the Lion return first, but as many other people mentioned Guilliman's statesmanship was needed at the time. If he did return first however, I reckon he would have kept the Primaris Marines mainly because he would need the manpower, and the Lion doesn't shurk from weapons that would help him win (as shown in the heresy).
I would like to see the Lion fight alongside Guilliman however, as angry as the Lion would be about the Imperium, I reckon of his brothers only Guilliman and Sanginius (Emperor rest his soul) would have been able to work with him.
I'd love for the lion to come back and team up with guilliman. Guilliman being the mind and the lion being the sword or new warmaster!
Russ would have been fine, it was clear in his primarch novel.
If the Lion returned.
let's just say that the Ministorum and Inquisitors opposed to him would meet a happy beheading, courtesy of his sword.
Not to mention that the Dark Angels may finally have some long overdue peace if the Lion clears up the mystery about the fallen and the Custodians would still have the same situation while Cawl and the Primaris would be designated as a primary Task Force unit working in tandem with Space Marines and the Guard.
You really think the lion going let his angels rest? Especially when he finds out the shit they been up to.
Luther did nothing wrong!
*Suddenly gets kidnapped by his own shadow*
A ton and a half shadow of bone white colour
REPENT
Valrak: the lion is not a psychopath
Also Valrak: he would just draw his sword and chop heads
The Lion calls a meeting with all the high lords of Terra and executes his own order 66. 😂
HAD THE LION RETURNED INSTEAD OF ROBERT GRILLMASTER THERE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO HERESY OR HERETICS! EVERYTHING WOULD BE AMAZING AND HOLY LIKE US NON-HERETICS!!!!!!
Robert grillmaster!! 😂😅🤣😭 Fuck I howled!
These videos calling for a civil war are getting more and more frequent, do I detect a hint of heresy?
I think you are detecting stupidity, but stupidity tends to lead to purging.
@@robertnelson9599, good call.
In many ways, the Lion was the primarch most like the Emperor. They both gave orders that they expected those beneath them to carry out without question, they both didn't have a knack for 'human' issues, but they both could achieved many great things. Also, immediately after he was discovered, his Legion was thrown right into the Rangdan Xenocides. Keep in mind that a few weeks prior he was leading knights on a feudal world to leading one of the most powerful legions in the Imperium. Alpharius even showed up during the Xenocides and said that he thought the Lion would be the perfect Warmaster, and that he should let him deal with the campaign so the Dark Angels wouldn't be depleted from it. The Lion refused, saying that it was his task and he was going to carry it out. While he did deep down felt like he should've been Warmaster, he wasn't going to compromise anything to get it.
Also, remember that one time on the Vengeful Spirit when Calas Typhon and everyone else gathered in Horus' presence *thought* they should kneel, but when the Lion suddenly appeared to chastise Luther, everyone *knew* to kneel in his presence, overcome by an aura of dark majesty. Not to mention the fact that the Rowboat and Sanguinius in Imperium Secundus were sitting on their hands doing nothing while the Dark Angels were cleansing the 500 Worlds of World Eaters and Word Bearers. But on Macragge, Sanguinius was sitting in a dark room brooding on and Girlyman was too busy letting a whole culture of chaos worshipping terrorists thrive on his homeworld.
You may call him autistic for not understanding people (despite him spending all of his childhood and young adult life hiding from/killing Warp Beasts in the forest) but the Lion gets shite done.
Absolutely and unequivocally true! Very well put!
We would be getting all 6 wings back too.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Yes a thousand times yes. Dread Wing for the fucking win.
I do believe the Lion lacked his father's ability to read people. He was never comfortable with other people, acted more on instinct that anything, and had his sons reassure him that he was in the right...
However, he was still very intelligent. Just not in the same way than his brothers. :)
The Emperor probably lacks the ability to read people himself, he most likely relies on his absurd psychic powers when dealing with social issues, saying whatever would give him the best results without really understanding WHY it gives him the best results.
I'd say he didn't care about reading people he didn't get the same feeling of satisfaction wasting time talking to others when he had goals and objectives to accomplish.
Vox Caster: "The Lion has returned!"
Rest of the galaxy: "............. *cough, throat clearing sounds* ........."
Vox Caster: "Hello?"
Honestly, if any Primarch other Guilliman returned first, the Imperium would be worse off. The imperiums government is so colossally fucked rn, that it NEEDED a statesman like guilliman. It doesn't matter how many battles you win, or how many forts you build if your empire is running itself into the ground.
Caul: hey Johnson I got some new things here fo-
Every Dark Angel: ITS A TRICK THEIR WORKING FOR THE FALLEN !
Actually a fallen: Purge them or Caliban!
Lion : *_Facepalm_*
Azrael:By the Lion, the Lion lives! What were you doing this whole time my honorable primarch? Something glorious I presume?
Lion: I was napping, I get bitchy when I don’t have a good sleep. Say, what do the other legion’s think of the tragedy of Caliban?
Azreaaaaaaaal, there´s blood all over the floor now
Azrael make them repent *murderviolently*
@@marseldagistani1989 We are totally gonna find Cipher now
Azrael: They bought it, but no one really trusts us now.
@@LucaNiki0303 Azrael: *kicking violently* of. all. Yhe. watcher. in. this. rock. why. do. I. get. the one. that. Talks
The lion is good because he has the personality of a real person. He he is very proud of himself, but also doubts himself at times, he is jovial to his comrades and ruthless to his enemies. He has flights of fancy and fits of rage and depression. He reacts emotionally but always tries ro make it for the good/revenge.
Also he would love primaris! Superior warriors! The lion sent all the non full spaceman inexpensive dark angels back to caliban as they whilst great warriors, we're tactically inferior to full space marines. Space marines are inferior ro primaris marines. He would use the tactical advantage they give the imperium to the fullest
Dorn is amazing but I’d hardly say he’s in the top tier fighter, he had other skills. He’s probably in the second tier of primarch fighters
Should be noted that russ stated that the lion did well on terra politically. This is obviously in comparison to himself so take that how you will. Additionally the lion posseses a kingly majesty even greater than other primarchs shown by how typhon kneels before him without question whereas we wondered if he should for horus. The lion would become imperial regent and lead the 1st as a legion and advocate for the reformation of the legions. Like his legion the lion is the ends justifies the means so would tolerate the inquisition/church. Primaris might be a step to far and cawl would defientley be killed for all of his heresy.
I agree with you on almost everything, you stated the points very well!
I do not believe that he would decline the primaris however.
He broke the Edict of Nikea when he needed to, he used the Perditus Engine when he felt it necessary, he would have maintained an eye on Belisarius and used the tools brilliantly.
The Lion was meant to be the Emperor's regent, he will be as soon as he returns.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Ya the Lion is not one to turn down a superior "tool" that gets the job done. The HH books show he doesn't let sentiment, orders, or anything get in the way of solving a problem in the most efficient way possible. The Primaris are superior. Period. Therefore the Lion would use them.
@@danceswithgerbals1, true!
So long as it serves what he thinks the Emperor's interests are, it is a go.
Orders require a superior authority to issue them. In the case of Nikea, the circumstances facing the Imperium forced the decision to be made: hold onto a decree that threatens to destroy the legion or temporarily use the powers now while answering for it later.
The Big E didn't make a deal about it with Guilliman when they spoke. Russ used it in a proper and limited context. Therefore it was the right call. The intent of the Emperor was maintained.
The Imperium desperately needed reinforcements with the Galaxy split in half. To refuse or even exterminate the Primaris Marines would have ensured the swift death of the Imperium.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, still doesn't mean I have to like them
So many people forget that,speaking solely in terms of tactics, Horse ass only had one equal if not better; the Lion would not TRUST the primaris but they would be utilized, under careful watch.
Quite the topic to be had.
The Lion didn't just beat Kurze, he straight fucked him up!
if lion return big G will just give him the task to lead the troops while he rebuild the empire, he is an empire builder, ultramar realm was second only to the sol system in terms of power and prestige.
not because he was a good soldier, but because he is a masterminds and the best at planning things at the Imperium level after the emperor.
Good call, I agree.
One thing I can imagine the Lion doing, is razing cardinal worlds. Imagine a campaign, dark angels vs sisters of battle
Lol thats true
lion el johnson has never feared using whatever weapons at his disposal, like he broke the psyker ban, used chuchalin (or however its spelled)
Interesting spelling for Vulkan
Maybe I could do this a series, next could be Vulkan, then Khan etc
Chapter Master Valrak I think I’ll just passive aggressively bring him up every time you mention a different Primarch instead. ;)
That would be an interesting series though in all honesty.
I presume you prefer "Vulkan't"? ; )
i think vulkan wouldnt be a good primarch to be instead of guilliman. he was there while the War of the Beast shortly (1k years) after the heresy and did not get anything done instead of whining
The lion: Cawl, whose idea was to make them bigger!?
Cawl: *beepboopbeep*(It was your brother Guilleman.)
Discovers Primaris Marines:
"Kill them all!"
Does not actually kill them and creates a Secret Primaris Chapter only loyal to him.
That is the Lion I know.
Creates a primaris LEGION loyal to the 1st.
If it were not Guilliman returning first, I definitely think that the Primaris Marine and all things Belisarius Cawl would be in jeopardy.
I agree, Corvus Corax would probably be the only who would be accepting of them.
I doubt he would actually approach the Lion with the Primaris, Guilliman was the one who ordered their creation.
@@robertnelson9599 I dunno fam, I feel like Vulkan would agree.
@@ThatDragonGuy Yeah, Vulkan is not the kind of guy to go with "muh perfect Emperor's creation" and shit. He would be happy as heck to have even more powerful marines to save even more civilians.
I don't know, I actually think the Lion might be the most accepting Primarch of them all, with Primaris marines, next to Guilliman who ordered their creation. The Lion is hands down the most pragmatic Primarch of the bunch. He would take advantage of situations and apply strength no matter the rules saying otherwise. Emperor bans librarians? Finds out librarians are great at combating warp daemons? Don't care what daddy said, they are better suited for the task therefore I will use them. Chaplain disagrees? Punches his head off. Needs to uproot Curze from a mountain fortress, but Sanguinius and Guilliman have forbidden orbital bombardment? Too bad, orbital bombardment is the best tool for the job. So load up drop pods with void bombs and deliver the "troops", the "definitely not orbital bombardment", right into the mountain fortress. My home world turned traitor on me? Orbital bombardment till the planet cracks (kinda). Point is, the Lion is not one for letting sentiment, orders, or even Big E getting in the way of getting the job done in the most efficient way possible. So I could actually see him being very supportive of the Primaris marines coming out because they are a superior "tool" and will get the job done better. The Emperor's decree didn't stop him from using Librarians when they proved more useful and sentiment didn't stop him from wrecking his home world when they turned on him, so I don't think it would stop him from using Primaris either. Ultimately it will be up to the lore team who writes what the Lion is thinking when he wakes up, but if they follow what the HH writers have set up for the Lion, then he will probably accept them easily.
Dear Valrak,
As a Dark Angels player, I love that you do videos on the Lion. I love your enthusiasm. The only thing is that I think you kinda of blow out of proportion (I'm not hating, merely discussing) his anger, and not focusing enough on his strategic mind. I personally wouldn't think he would go slaughter the High Lords, and I especially don't think he'd kill off the Primaris. He'd see their strategic value. I think you are lopping him in with what the Dark Angels are like now. Back when he was a Primarch, they weren't really as crazy as they are now. It doesn't take a diplomatic personality to understand politics and control them, especially if you have complete and total power. You need to see that strategy (Which the Lion is know for being etremely good at) can be administered to all aspects of rule, including politics. Here's my big reason why I think he wouldn't kill them all. Oh he'd be pissed, kill an inquisitor or two, maybe a priest, but you see, if he could stop and give Luther a chance, the guy who turned half of his legion, his SONS to Chaos, I think he could control his emotions enough to not murder the ENTIRE POLITICAL STRUCTURE OF THE IMPERIUM!
Russ talked about how good the Lion was on Terra. When the Wolves had trouble with Dulan, they called the Lion.
When the Imperium was invaded during the Great Crusade, they called the Lion.
The Lion deals well in the halls of power.
Like how Val worked Dorn into the top tier fighting Primarchs. Dorn's like, I killed Alpharius! And Alpharius is like, you killed Omegon! And Omegon is like, you killed a line trooper! Ha. You sucks!
Lion: Assemble the Legion!
Ministry: My Lord, your Legion was divided!
One week later: All successor chapters arrive, painted in Legion colors and assemble as if they had never been anything but. Chapter Masters wear Praetor colors, and the inner circle returns the Lion helm, surrendering mastery of the Legion to the Lion.
Lion: Good. Now we head north to remove the taint of the Fallen.
I mean, what did you THINK all that secrecy was about?
The Lion was a pragmatist above all things. When the Horus Heresy was underway and the Dark Angels were beginning to fight daemons he reinstated the librarians (Because they are a excellent weapon against daemons), even when they had more or less been banned at the council of Nikaea. He would have made use of the Primaris marines without much hesitation. Because they are a valuable weapon in a time of crisis.
I don't know if Lion would have dismissed them out of hand. Skeptical, yes, but he'd also see the tactical opportunities. You might end up with more flexible squads though, given the whole 'one gun type per squad' concept was Roboute's idea.
I agree; the Lion has no chill. He'd ensure that his will was paramount and his rule absolute. As Imperial Regent he'd be far more authoritarian; brilliant but ruthless. When it comes to the Primaris I think he'd be shrewd with their application, thoroughly assessing them to his high standards. If he used them at all and didn't just repurpose their weapons I reckon he'd ensure that initially only those with his gene-seed were activated and only once he was satisfied that he had enough of his personal forces would he think to dole out reinforcements from the other loyal strains (the traitor templates would be purged - he'd see to it) as he saw fit, but always at a ratio that favoured him.
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Oh god, the Imperium would fall in a minute.
CSM: “Hey Lion, look over there!”
**Lion looks behind himself**
CSM: “Yoink!” **Runs off with doomsday device**
Angron, Sanguinious, Konrad Kurze, Rogal Dorn, Jaghatai Khan and the Lion? You forgot Leman Russ *angry wolf noises*!
I could see the Lion rebuild the Legions, possibly introducing the Primaris later on.
Lion's first reaction to the Primaris marines would be to scoff at them for the hubris of a human or cyborg attempting to improve upon the designs of the Emperor. But as the situation on the ground changes and the precarious position the Imperium finds itself, Lion's pragmatism will win out over his pride. He would order the activation and dissemination of the Primaris marines throughout the Imperium. After all, Lion always stressed to his sons to use every advantage given to them, he would be a fool to say no to thousands upon thousands of fresh battle-brothers ready for action when the Imperium dangled on a thread.
The first thing the lion would have to do is have a hearty discussion with ASMODAI who makes them repent
If the Lion returned id see him doing the following.
1) 100% he'd Van Dire the High Lords except probably he would keep the Inquisition as personal Police force and Grand Master of Assassins as he's gunna have a lot of people he needs disappearing.
2) Re-form the Dark Angels as he was incapacitated when Bobby G enacted the 2nd Founding. Given the galactic threats he'd need the 1st Legion back in play.
3) Go get Big E's sword and proclaim himself Warmaster.
4) Eat tacos and put his ass kicking boots on.
"Washing the floor with Mortarion" now that's a floor I wouldn't walk on ever
Could he though ? If the Lion's " anti-chaos powers " theory is proven, he could stand a chance against a Deamon Primarch one-on-one, but if it isn't...
The Lion has killed Fateweaver, beaten Kurze, the Wolf King, and is a better tactician than any of them.
Mortarion is not that smart. Don't forget that the Dark Angels have better intelligence networks than the 13th, which extend into the arcane, and unique weaponry which Roboute didn't recognize.
Might I mention the Dread Wing, Watchers in the Dark, and the Fire, Storm, and Steel Wing.
Besides, the 1st Legion was never REALLY broken up. Azrael still commanded it.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 As far as I am aware, Lion did not defeat Russ... :/
@@Archon3960, then you disagree with Russ. In Russ' primarch novel, he says that the Lion defeated him.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 I haven't read it. But was it from Russ' or a Wolf's point of view, or just 3rd person ?
Id love a plottwist that Lion wakes up and totaly hate the primaris and declears war on em.
Plot twist: Cypher is the Avatar of the Emperor.
I think a lot of people would have died in "accidents" to quickly be replaced by trusted members of the lion's inner circle who would then be watched from the shadow's by even better trusted members of the legions inner circle.
I think the ordo's and the lion would get along like gangbusters once the suspicion on both sides died down.
The Lion after the Horus heresy: "fuck this I'm gonna take a nap"
Imagine the Lion would wake Bobby G first then go out purging for a few 100 years
For the lion!!!!!
Oh yes please I would love seeing him battle this heretical creation of the mechanicus
cawl: here i made primaris marines my lord
lion: cool, where are they?
cawl: here in this secret vault
lion: *inserts coordinates for exterminatus into the cogitator*
Cypher would probably _rush_ to his side. :)
Guilliman is an administrator
The lion is a politician
No Valrak, I don't think Custodes would follow Lion only because he's a primarch. Of 20+1 primarchs only 9 were "good products", the others were traitors or discrded products (the two forgotten ones), instead the Emperor dreamed of a Imperium ruled by humans like the High Lords, so their side is not to be considered so obvious.
Indeed the Custodians only follow Roboute Guilliman because they agree with his ideas and strategy. If they think that he was going to betray their Emperor or that his leadership was negligent then they would turn on him immediately.
The Lion's loyalty was less questioned then Guilliman's on Terra.
The Lion also demands more respect and obedience then Guilliman, the Custodes would have followed because the Lion already agreed with them.
His popularity on Terra was not just with the administratum, but with Malkador and the other principals of the Imperium.
I see it in maybe an opposite way, the Custodes would have been happy to support someone as similar to their lord.
I think this video perfectly encapsulates why the Eldar chose not to wake the Lion. :p
Guilliman is the primarch the imperium needs at this time. He is the best to logistically keep it together and begin to "fix" it.
Great video! Guilliman was the best choice though , he is an empire builder like no other!
Valrak I know I have mentioned this every time you have a video on the Lion lol. The Lion doesn't want to be in charge. The mantle of leadership keeps being offered or given to him, but as you said yourself he is a hunter first and foremost, hidden under a knights code of conduct. Yes he wanted to he Warmaster but that would make him the Emperor's favorite. There's a reason his quote is" Loyalty is it's own reward".
Well said and a valuable reminder.
Yes, he knows well that you must be true to your duties, yourself and not your ambitions for the chaos gods prey on those who wish for what they must never have. He was a wise man who didn’t compromise on his character for power or false promises of power he was and always will be an angel of death.
If the Lion Returned i would like to think he would punch peoples heads clean off who disagreed or disobeyed him like he did to that Chaplain during the horus heresy.
Lion El'Jonson wold destroy the bureaucracy
That was epic!!!!
That's a good idea friend.
I know this is late, but I just wanted to point out how the lion would never EVER squander an opportunity to gain the upper hand. He would have used the Primaris without blinking and probably had a rather vicious smile on his lips as his job just got easier. Also, The Lion would do exactly what the Emperor would tell him to do when he meets him like roboute did.
Best fighing Primarch and you don't mention Leman Russ? Tut tut, you better hope he doesn't come back. 😂
I think he would (with some reservations) embrace the Primaris. The Lion is ruthless and will take the advantage regardless of how it looks. Don't forget he punched Nemiel's head off for arguing about using librarians.
Oh...and the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition: gone! They're done. There will be blood in the streets
Ecclesiarchy would certainly be gone, but the Inquisition, well, the Lion does like secrets and the Inquisition does deal with a lot of secrets, he might actually like them and certainly would keep the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights, at the least.
He only need Deathwing Terminators to deal with themn
He's not a psychopath, he is just on a hair-trigger.
He is truly dauntless, without fear, for the Lion does not fear the Angel or the Wolf.
The Lion probobly wakes up every morning and decides whether or not he's going to have a beard on the next piece of 40k art.
We all know it would be a better place, he would have purged chaos with a flick of his hair. #lion4life
So when does come back, he will slaughter the high lord and the corrupt cults on Terrra... and I'm in! Some one go set off his alarm clock!
He wouldnt kill all the high lords of terra. One of the Custodes is a high lord of terra, the Inquisition with information about who and what the Greyknights are is part of the high lords of terra. Guilliman killed some of the high lords, but not all of them, not all of them are corrupt. If the lion comes back kills everyone, he would cause more problems.
I think the best thing that could happened with the Imperium is Guilliman. He isnt my favourite, but the level of organization and statecraft he is capable is completly on another level. He basically laying new
foundations, a stable base, long overdue to the Imperium. Its quite simple. As Montecuccoli said, you need three things for war. Money, money, money. Everything else comes after that. And basically that is what Girlyman do. Organize, build stability. In my opinion this is exactly the type of fresh air the Imperium needs.
I'd think the Lion before he goes chopping heads off, like Gulliman would seek an audience with his father, the Emperor. From there he would either be showing more of the beast side or an honorable knight.
You didn’t address how he’d handle his own chapter, which seems like the most clear and present thing he’d have to see to.
It is safe to say, that old El J is as blunt as a butter knife. He needs to come back and seriously shake things up. If he backed up Papa Smurf and the Blueberry army, then the faith and the high lords would be royally fecked sideways!
The Lion is the kind of person who just plays all their cards at once when possible, while Guilliman keeps a few close to him and waits for the perfect point to use them, so personallyl if the Lion did return I think we would probably be seeing a more aggressive Imperium.
Dreadwing chanting everywhere: DEATH HAS COME.
We have come, we are death. . .
Come in Intolerant, this is Dread Bringer. . .
The lion waking up finally:
“Can’t wait to see my homework of Caliban.”
Lion would head straight for failbadon and been like ‘come here whelp, I’ll teach you the manners Horus never could!’
Just had something click when you said about the lion beheading the lords of terra.
Sisters are stated for an autumn release. Rumours circulating of Dark Angels stuff.
What if the lion returns and takes issue with the Ecclesiarchy, and the next big conflict is a major infraction between the sisters and the Dark Angels/successors?
Cawl presents the Primaris to the Lion like unveiling a new car
Yeah I somehow doubt the Lion will reject new sons and start another heresy because he doesn’t like Robutes idea
Not sure, bro does have a temper and is very *VERY* proud and loyal to his fathers vision. To him the real Imperial Truth is as important as the Lannisters reputation is to Tywin. I think at the moment he would want to set a clear and brutal example to everyone of what betraying his fathers vision costs. His anger would keep him from thinking ahead at the moment.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Jaghatai is not a warrior, the man is a hit-and-run specialist, if he was a car thief you'd never catch him! Never heard of the Khan getting off his high horse (pun very much intended) and fighting one-on-one in an honourable duel, when he can just speed at his enemy with an arm extended and watch as they stupidly catch themselves on his blade!
If you read his primarch novel then would know differently.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Ah, fair enough. I think it is fair, since I haven't gotten that far yet. I've been listening to too much tropes and fluff, it seems.
They wouldnt have needed a suit of life support around and a new eldar god to bring him back... just an alarm clock and pull his duvet off him
the 1st thing that would happen Is the Dark angles would go appshit at the fact there was several hidden chambers on the rock, and lets not forget what reaction the lion would be to the deathwing and raven wing and Confessor Chaplins.
THe loin is also a statman not as good a gilyman but he can do it.
Did they introduce primaris models due to some production cost issue or were they trying to sell more models?
Please do this as a series brother
If El Johnson became defacto ruler of the Imperium then Abaddon would probably say Let my forces come to Terra.. give us a packet of biscuits and we will surrender and leave the universe. And the grand plank would shrug and say 'Okay'.
The whole encounter with Cypher would have been very interesting if the Lion returned instead
(Guilliman arguing with people about the faith.) Guilliman hears heavy footsteps approaching behind him, He assumes it is just a Astarte coming to report something to him. The Primarch feels a slap on the back of his head and a voice ask 'What are you doing to the Imperium br...' Before the figure could contine, Guilliman out of reflex turns the Emperor's blade drawn to the neck of the figure. The sun glared through the window high above the gleaming golden architecture and onto the figure's head, Guilliman realised who the figure was, disguarded the blade and hugged the figure, a single tear of joy dripped from his eye as he whispered the words 'My brother'. The figure who was around Guilliman's size, armour equally adorned with patterns of gold but dark green instead of blue, and long shinging blonde hair. The figure was the Lion, The Lion of the forest, The Lion of Caliban, The Emperor's first son. Lion El'Jonson. (Just a bit of Fan-fiction straight off the top of my head)
The lion wouldn't fare any better against the Daemon Primarchs than Guilliman did!
I think the Lion would accept the primaris, after chatting to the main man; The Emperor.
chapter master since averland sunset retired and lamanters yellow too, for a yellow primer what about the army painter line they have two desert yellow and demonic yellow which is closer to averland?
I could see Lion running the Imperium; he has at this point been noted in the HH books has being very 'kingly' and being quite deft at maneuvering the court politics of Terra (a complimentary observation by Russ no less!). He has a preternatural-like sense of authority about him that has been demonstrated several times now with him being able to stop entire firefights with a stern, knock-it-off command broadcast over the battlefield. This would be a very helpful skill set ! The books have certainly elevated him being a one-time mere 'strategic' primarch to an all-rounder-fucking-kill-monster capable of giving Curze pause, so he would likely be out in the void leading the charge when needed. I'm not sure how he would handle the ecclesiastic side of the imperium, but I do think he would gradually disband it whereas it looks like Rob may end up converting and becoming a believer. I respectfully disagree with the idea that Lion would go on a hardline killing spree in the new setting though. If nothing else, he is pragmatic. I think if he comes back now, he would have a good, long meeting with Rob to get appraised of the current situation, visit his father and do what is needed to keep stability and order. I don't think he would give Rob a hard time and demand leadership; they bickered and had arguments as brothers do, but they genuinely admired each other despite their faults. Rob can't afford to turn away the help and frankly, I think Lion would rather be out hunting. As for Primaris; I think Lion would be wary at first yet come around to them as the DA chapter eventually has.
lets be honest. we would all have preferred if Lord adorable had returned.
I reckon the primaris project was lion's idea during the unremembered empire, their organization just does not seem like something papa Smurf would do
Lion's body is nothing but an empty shell to be used for the Master of Mankinds return, when Cypher completes his mission
Can you do a video what if sanguinius or Vulcan returned please.
'He can be cool sometimes...
OTHER TIMES?..."
Regards the Primaris, I suspect whatever reaction Johnson made regards them would have been centered around one main factor: Him being PISSED that Guilleman thought of it and he didn't (I mean admittedly there's a good few centuries between The Lion taking his nap and Robute getting shanked by Fulgrim...)
You want more heresy? That's how you get more heresy