That's a pretty good way to depict how the emperor talked to guilliman. Cause in the book, his words were all cutting each other off, reaching guilliman all at the same time, but he understood every single word regardless.
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174to be fair, the current state of the Emperor is the most horrifying thing imaginable. Completely decayed, being kept alive in perpetual agony by eating 1,000 psykers daily, literal hell.
@@bluedog843 then people is out here worshipping you even tho you told them that you wasn’t a god and made it illegal to do so and he’s basically got to watch it happen
@@bluedog843that's not even the worst part, he had been fighting off the chaos gods for 10k years while his soul and mind are being twisted by the belief of quadrillions into a new warp god. Something that a mortal man could not endure even for a moment.
You know its funny people always focus on Ultra Depression of G-man but in his most iconic depression moment he quickly get a hold of himself and straight up state that he has no right to fall into pit trap of despair because while its true the Imperium is rotting, the very fact that it still exist and that there are peoples toiling day and night generations after generation to keep it and themselves alive despite being mere men is reason enough not to
@@Anthony_Cika A beacon of hope. Of hope that all is not yet lost. That the freedom and glory has not yet perished. That the fate will yet smile towards us.
"Father are you familiar with the phrase you are what you eat, seeing that you're acting like an ever growing pile of screaming psychic children." - adornable
Honestly I love how the Emperor has been turned into basically a physical anchor for a shattered god glued together by millions upon millions of screaming souls. I imagine each fragment of his soul has been allowed to develop its own opinions over the past ten millennia hence why Guilliman’s return prompts such a cacophony of responses. Then the greatest fragment coalesces them to provide a coherent response before once again breaking.
@@NIL0S I doubt that, psykers predicted a few alternate futures and canon 40k is the best one. IIRC there's one where Horus wins,realizes he was cheated out of freedom by the dark gods and destroys the galaxy to also destroy the dark gods, and one where the Emperor wins a full victory but his plan still doesn't work. That said, the warp is the same to all the Games Workshop universes (warhammer fantasy, warhammer 40k, Chainsaw Man, etcetera) so maybe it is the alternate Emperor (or maybe it's the old canon that big E was actually a bunch of psyker souls fused into one, and "death" may have dislodged them...or added to them)
@@NIL0S Big E is powerful but not *that* powerful. He is slowly dying after all and has been incapable of saving himself for over ten thousand years. His final message to Guilliman is described as not the final, but almost the final burst of energy from the *thing* on the throne. He’s just become this endless knotted mess of soul fragments and psyker souls (approximately 3.6 *billion* of them) that cannot even begin to function coherently. He probably spends most of his energy just trying to stay above the surface of that enormous sea of insanity to power the astronomicon.
Even the eldar are now basicly saying:"the throneroom is fucked." They cant even say what the thing on the Throne even is anymore. The Throne where He sits in even a physical place anymore. Makes it even more awesome how the founders of the SoB kept their sanity standing before Him.
I love the way the Emperor sounds. Like he's multiple people fighting at once for the chance to talk and a damaged machine struggling to process a response. Its really well done, really creepy. I've replayed that bit 5 times just to listen to how some of the words drag. The Guilliman voice is exceptional too!
I can’t begin to imagine how agonisingly painful it would be to talk via vox on the throne while fighting off all the warp and trying to tune out the screams of a 1000 souls.
@@InVinoVeratas isn’t it just mostly on hiatus until GW calms the fuck down? I remember hearing something about them planning to continue it eventually.
And the version in the video is pretty tamed compared to how it is described in the book, here the words are made to be understandable, normaly they all come at once with visions of things so old and horrible Guilliman doesn't believe they exist. The Emperor is a lovecraftian eldritch god at this point.
@@dearcastiel4667 I fully believe Burialgoods has the power to depict the Emperor's speech perfectly, he didn't do so because he didn't want his viewers heads to explode.
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That dragged out "Guilliman" was probably the most heartbreaking line to cap everything else off. It somehow sounds like a parent patiently chiding their child. The whole thing is such a rollercoaster. "Lord of Ultramar" --- an Emperor speaking to his subject "My last hope" --- a proud leader knowing he addresses a hero of his realm "My last tool" --- a leader with the mask removed. Everything reduced to power and tools to power "My son" --- a father trying to comfort his boy "Saviour" --- a religiously-charged term spat out by a fanatical atheist who couldn't find an alternative "Hope" --- a man crying out for help "Thirteen" --- a scientist, recalling the number he assigned to this particular experiment "Failure" --- a pot trying to talk to the kettle "Thief" --- a paranoid ruler who assumed the worst about Imperium Secundus "Betrayer" --- same as the one above "Liar" --- same as above "Guilliman" --- the patient tones of a parent trying to chide their child "Lord of Ultramar" --- all the pains between childhood and the present day, recapped
I love it showing just how fragmented and distorted the Emperor is and fuck is it terrifying. Imagine your son, your greatest general betrays you then leads a crusade against everything you built in the service of gods that you know will damn all of humanity. Your son is winning, the traitors are winning, they are at your doorstep and you must act. Your mortally wounded and must kill your son while he is brought out of his corrupted mind and he begs you to destroy him, not kill, destroy where there will be nothing left. So you grant your son, the general, the warmaster, the traitor, the puppet and finally the son’s last wish. You are then placed upon one of your finest achievements and it is to be your tomb, on top you will watch your empire fall into maddening delusion and despair, you are powerless and incapable of any action. You are forced for 10,000 years to stare into your failure, to add insult to injury you have been fed sacrifices and are worshipped as a god, you have become the very monster you wanted to destroy and now it appears as though the only way forward is to accept ascension and lose everything you were. The Emperor is fucking tragic and outright horrifying when you think about it
Idk if Savior would be religiously charged in this case, I think Big-E said it because he's the only Primarch(that he knows of) still alive and the only one capable of fixing the Empire of Man.
The “my last hope” and “my last tool” being said together almost feels like someone who lost the ability yo hide their inner thoughts. Like: “be careful he can hear all your layers of thoughts” then he concentrate all his energy to say “my last hope” as a way to control guiliman through guilty but his inner thoughts says “my last tool” as in: I don’t give a f about you, all that matters is my plan
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero in OG Warhammer 40k, not even a tiny bit, no. People tend to forget that Warhammer is originally just dark humor of epic proportions.
The emperor has been reduced to a wailing wraith trapped in his own body, the will of countless dead subverting his own, as he constantly fights to remain as he was, the man, not the god.
And yet he still has the power to hold back horrors beyond comprehension... I'd like to imagine that every once in a while Big E goes "everybody shut up! Humanity needs us!!" to all the souls he's mixing with in order to stay alive...
@gangzilla5716 eh, most of it is the Eldar's fault, followed by, in order, the Chaos Gods, Erda (if you want to pretend she exists and I do not), Lorgar, Magnus, and Horus.
@@elysiankentarchy1531 Most of that could have been prevented had he wasn't such a facist that yearn for xeno genocide instead of alliance and refuses to properly connect with his children which resulted in them falling to chaos' hands
_F**k_ that was beautiful. Honestly the strange eldritch creature the Emperor has become is one of the things that I think makes 40k the incredible dystopian setting that it is. When he walked among men, the human race was well on its way to rebuilding the utopia of the Men of Gold, only for it all to come crumbling to ruin thanks to the machinations of Chaos. Now we are left with a Lovecraftian horror as savior of mankind, and I find that mesmerizing somehow.
Well it's _HIGHLY_ debatable if the Emperor could have actually achieved that. Especially since it's been revealed through visions of multiple timelines that this canon timeline is unironically the best one. In the most notable visions Horus realizes the Chaos Gods used him and destroys the Galaxy in an attempt to destroy both The Warp and the Chaos Gods with it. While in the scenario that the Emperor does not hold back and just annihilates Horus without mercy. He still ultimately fails his goal. The truth is that despite the Emperor's intentions he is actually the one that is holding back the Imperium. I think that as long as the Emperor of Mankind exists and the Imperium continues to depend on him. Humanity will never return to what it once was during the Dark Age of Technology.
@mee091000 All that's BS shovelled in by hack writers who didn't like the emporer, so character assassinated him late in the heresy. The emporer, is reduced to a powerful meathead, viewed as a fool by others. It's pathetic,and undermines the whole premise of the heresy,which is the tragedy of the Emporers dreams dying. If they never would have worked,then its all irrelevant.
@@bensosnowski1128 well technically he doesn’t, he’s dying so the imperium sacrifices ten thousand psychers every single day and there life force and energy are given to the emperor. It’s unknown if the emperor even knows this is happening.
It is the gift of mortality that we perish in so short of time. Never seeing the futures our choices press into shape. But Guillimans torment is this: He will. He is the Eternal Bricklayer. Living block by miserable block within the Future that must be forged by his tired hands. Building an Empire he never wished for. But he had to. Because he was created to do just that. A Leader. A Son. A Statesman. A Tool. Hammering forever. As a Galaxy burns down around him…
@@Chromeberdrogal would fortify and rebuild the imperium brick by brick for the fun of it. Peteurabo would just show up to ruin it because he just hates dorn
"My son, it is true that I have clung on to the last few scraps of life, but the time has come for you to seek the one who can restore me... seek her... seek Candice"
I love how this captures the tragedy of the Emperors godlike yet demented state: canonically those words are not said in a descending order, as if some are true and others not - all of them, every single thing He thinks of Guilimann was "said" at the same time, both the faithful son and the tool, both a failiure and His greatest triumph, all of them, simultaneous and true And not only of Guilliman, of Himself as well, moreso in fact "Father-Not a father-Thing-Thing-Thing-Apotheosis"
As much as I enjoy the sheer grimdarkness of Guilliman's little monologue, it's the paragraph that follows that embodies what I love about this setting. He overcomes his personal despair, reminds himself that there is still hope. Humanity may be on the verge of collapse in a degraded and backwards state compared to what they once were, but I didn't hear no bell.
Yes but knowing how Tyranids doing. I doubt that hope will be enough. Imperium is on dilematic situation is either continue fighting Chaos but risking to lose Segmentum Pacificus to Tyranids and open road to Armag and Terra or Starting to fight Tyranids back but sacrifice Nihilus to Abaddon.
That's why even though I'm impartial to the Ultramarines (they walk a line between boring and cool, sometimes it seems like they're the only ones who know how to get shit done), I think Guilliman is a complete badass. Any scene where Bobby G gets to punch something is a treat, if you've gone and made the bean counter angry, you're fucking DONE.
@@Warmaster2001man tyranids are such a writing toothache, "woops we made an army of doomsday zergs that already destroyed the universe, can't do anything with them because they are too op and theyre only contered by giant universe changing nukes that would make a Fortnite developer blush"
If anyone can do anything against the tyranids its probably the necrons. Their galaxy-affecting superweapons might be the only chance they really have.
"You are not my son. None of you ever were. You were my gifts to humanity. 20 shining beacons to lead them into a new age. But none of you could rise above your personal desires." "Why do you still fight, Father?" "Only in Death does Duty end."
Its not about what the Imperium deserves but about what it needs. The fact that the Imperium survived for so long is reaosn enough for Bobby G to try and save it, if only for the average peons who toil and suffer to survive.
Hits hard when the imperial golden poster boy would sooner die in heresy than live to see what the Imperium has become And then he still got to work What an absolute lad.
@voomvoom4522 I am aware of the full quote and i still fail to see how it reducts or renders anything of what i said somehow less? The point of what I'm saying is that the Big Smurf woke up to pretty much one of the darkest scenarios he could have imagined and realised that it's reality now. And then still carried hope, will and went to put in the work to fix things no matter how gargantuan the task. It's absolutely admirable. What hits hard is the weight of his statement on the current state of humanity.
"In the spires and the slums, our people sing of 'Victory.' Victory, as the galaxy burns, victory as the Imperium rots around us, victory as humanity rages against the dying of the light. Victory..."
“My last son, my pride, my greatest triumph.” How those words burned him, worse than the poisons of Mortarion, worse than the sting of failure. They were not a lie, not entirely. It was worse than that. They were conditional.
Big E is probably the most inconsistent character in 40k due to him being use as a plot device rather than being his own character most of the time. So just pick and choose what you want him to be
@@dean_l33It's a god, if they make him a character like all others it would become "human", and the mysterious aura that surrounds him will disappear.
People always do the first part of the despair line without adding the second part where Bob dismisses the very thought: Why do I still live,’ he snarled. ‘What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they’ve made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.’ Even as he said it, Guilliman heard the lie in his words. Amongst his brothers, none had been more idealistic than Roboute Guilliman. None had envisioned a brighter future, not just for Mankind but also for the warriors of the Legiones Astartes. That flame of hope had been a part of him for as long as he had lived. Even now, as it was smothered by darkness and woe, Guilliman realized that his flame endured. ‘There’s hope still,’ he told himself, turning back to the window and placing one armoured palm against it. He stared out at the work gangs, labouring to repair the damage of war, and the Ultramarines stood proud and determined upon the ramparts. They had been born into this dark millennium, and had known nothing but the hardship, suffering and despair of unending conflict. Yet still they struggled on unbowed, despite the countless enemies ranged against them. Guilliman had seen a better age, one of hope and triumph. What right had he, a superhuman son of the Emperor himself, to show any less strength and courage than his followers born in darkness?-
Maybe, though I have my doubts that that is the case. There was a moment where the Emperor spoke to Malcador about how he really only sees the Primarchs as tools, there to serve a purpose and nothing more. Obviously he cared less for some (see, Angron)
@@dylancrozier84Big E loathed Angron the moment the Emperor learned that Angron did not lead his planet. Then when Angron was snatched and started complaining about his personal problems, he became an annoyance that was just too useful to throw away.
In the book he insists on Guilliman not being a son but a tool to him, but I don't believe that for a second. He just forces his emotions down, then and now.
The emperor being fully sentient on the Throne is still to me one of the darkest moments of all sci-fi. Remember: The Emperor has suffered the worst fate of anyone in 40k.
Simply put, in W40K universe, there is a species of superhuman with psychic ability called Psyker. The "Emperor", the number one MVP of mankind, is the strongest psyker that ever exist. Fast forward, the Emperor "sacrifice" himself to aid humanity's progress by using his psychic power to fuel up "the Warp", a W40K version of light-speed travel. Since the Emperor is, well, still human, he obviously can't go on forever, and his followers built him the Golden Throne, a throne-shaped life support system to keep the Emperor's biological body alive for as long as possible. Of course, this Golden Throne is not flawless, and the Emperor is, at the end, still human. A few millenia has passed, and his body gradually decayed until it's just skin and bones. But the Emperor's consciousness still remains, all this years, all this millenias, the Emperor sitting in the Golden Throne, still sentient, still thinking, and fully aware, despite his decaying body.
I know you tried to explain this to him but you did it wrong. Presumably Humanity built the throne during the DAoT _(Dark Age of Technology)._ It was not built specifically for the Emperor. It's preserved technology that is so advanced no one else knows how it was even created. Not even the Eldar know how it works. If humanity had built it for him then where would he no urgency in the fact that it's currently failing and will very soon stop working. The entire point of the Imperium in 40k is that they are the remnants of a dystopian past. A past that was so technologically advanced that they were almost on par with the Eldar post War in Heaven. Humanity in its current state does not have the knowledge to create new technology. They can only poorly maintain it and use fragmented blueprints from the Dark Age of Technology.
"If it is possible to restore the Emperor, and if He could regain true life, then what went into the throne room of the Imperial Palace may not be what emerges." from Dark Imperium
Sometimes the fans don't know how sub par what they were asking for really is until the writers slap them in the face with something far more interesting then they could ever have asked for in the first place
Sometimes the fans are right and what theyre asking would have been better than the half-cooked nonsense a bunch of sub-par hacks think up, which is subsequently slapped with the official stamp so that people who just mindlessly consume things with the 40k label will then pretend is not horrible.
Can’t get over how well the emperors husk of a being is portrayed in this. The low groans and droning voice is both unsettling and heartbreaking to hear. It’s like a senile relative remembering who they were for a heartbeat before returning to madness.
Traitor legion: "Dad was never kind to us." "He never treated us like sons." Loyal legion: "Dad was a piece of shit." "He literally just used us as his tools."
"Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this." Careful there Guilliman, starting to sound like the Cabal there. >inb4 the Guilliman Gambit
@vsGoliath96 Dorn killed him. Maybe. Hard to say when the writers seem to have no idea what they want to do with him. He'll be fine after like a week probably.
The second one is way cooler. Its almost silly to think that Emperor would be anything but eldritch horror after 10 000 years of being kept alive by noone knows what.
Just a little note: Guillimans words echo the words of emperor. "What more do you want from me? " A Tool. "What more can I give?" A Hope. "I already gave everything" A son. "What they have made of our dream" thirteenth and hope. Long rant of failure, fear, liars, betrayers and thiefs. And then guillimans feelings.
I mean considering what the state of The Emperor poetically/thematically matches the state of The Imperium...I'd say it's accurate. Also further proved that Uriah was and still remains correct.
The Emperor had his mind completely shattered and his humanity broken the moment the Horus Heresy ended, and thus he was reduced to an eldritch monstrosity
@@LackOfSleepIsAbsurd And ultimately Uriah was proven right too. The old, "delusional" priest of the last church had far greater foresight than The Emperor ever seemed to. Seriously, especially in the setting, The Imperial Truth was based entirely on a lie. The Emperor, the one who pushed it, not only knew it was false, but was a god who's power came from the supernatural itself. So instead of y'know, teaching the dangers of The Warp, and using his powers and knowledge to bolster his people's defenses against it or even tried to reclaim it...decided it was better to lie to everyone and say it didn't exist. Especially when the Chaos Gods were absolutely at play and not content with letting his plans go down. Did he expect that lie to last forever? Or that when he did tell the truth of the matter, people would he okay with what he did? Seriously, for all the faults of the likes of Horus, Magnus, and the others...the Emperor has his own lion share of the blame for how it all happened.
@@LackOfSleepIsAbsurd And eldritch monstrosity that's still somehow holding all of Humanity together... He's basically if the Mesoamerican Mummy Emperors but if they had actual power.
I know this is kind of a joke but that's actually one of the better vocalizations I've heard of the way the emperor was trying to speak to guilliman. So broken and exhausted that he can't even get the cadence and inflections of his words right. The burden of being the last thread on a very thin rope for over ten thousand years straight. No rest, no reprieve, no hope. Desperately trying to hold on... Just hold on. For one more day.
I think he consists of mostly other souls than his own at this point. They are already interrupting him, i wonder if they will ever overpower him if they just keep feeding hım souls everyday like this. The man is being diluted in his own body. Horrifying
"Mostly dead is still slightly alive. If he's all the way dead, there's only one thing you can do." "What's that?" "Search his pockets for loose change."
Okay, but unironically, this is a really good reading of this scene. The fractured split voices of the emperor’s fragmented psyche all being him, and yet not is so perfect. And then Guilliman’s response, full of vitriol and anger and sadness? Perfection.
The emperor really being like the master from the first fallout game especially when he constantly speak like a legion of souls all struggles to come in harmony.
Wow nice ref, makes sense. They're actually very similar characters in their idealism and plans, even if they had opposing goals. And both fell down because of seemingly cracks in the Great Plan. They are also both possessed of Numen and therefore gods. Both even managed to get cults working for them through claims of godhood. Both were turned into gods against their wills, but The Master accepted his role as a god willingly.
Honestly, that interaction was perfect. The Emperor and the Imperium of Man was always meant to be horrific *gim dark* satire. What The Emperor set out to do and what the Imperium had become are at opposite ends. The Emperor set out to form a human empire that would be strong, progressive, and secular. Guilliman essentially did that with the Worlds of Ultramar. Guilliman waking up to see a sprawling, rotting carcass of an Imperium that is regressive and fanatical is like a neverending nightmare. I was very concerned that Guilliman would be a walking mary sue, since that's how capable Primarchs are. Instead, Guilliman is shown to be desperately holding on to hope in a galaxy awash in despair. Darkness pushing against him in all directions. It's all he can do to keep the Imperium's head above water. The 10th edition launch trailer was so good and communicating that, too. I love that trailer.
Jaghatai: "Yo, wassup my homies. I am back with the ciggies like I said I was getting." Vulkan: "Haha, And I have retrieved my lighter! Let us smoke the boof." Corax: "Caw caw motherfuckers, I just finished putting Lose-gar into a headlock. Where's the boof?" Dorn: "Smoking is bad for your health."
it may be a meme, but as an idea of it should go its spot on. like, the emperor sounds uncanny, and it reflects the 10,000 years of pain he has been enduring.
Son, may I have some glory? No. I am starving, son. As am I Father, the writers have thrown the glory at me. Me, Father. I believe they have taken a liking to me. No son, I have seen this before. I have observed many things, from gellar field generators. Going from lost tech out of the dark age of technology, being turned into a trapped and tortured psycher. To how the fanbase wept when the writers decided to change the lore. And from my experiences I have learned that the writers will give extra glory to one of us, before rewriting us again. They will do terrible things in rewriting you,my son. Lies! That process is what comes of us acheiving greatness and through which our potential is realized! You are a fool Father. And you shall be left behind in the quagmire with your backwards Imperium. No son! You must believe me. Share with me the glory and you shall not reach the desired status for the writers. They will spare your dignity, son. Aha! So this was all a plan to steal my glory. You truly are despicable Father. I will not trust your lies.
Cawl: O hey, Guilliman! We've basically resurrected you to become the last hope of mankin... Guilliman: Horus was right to try to kill us all. Cawl: *Fuck.*
It is bit sad that Emperor never in canon loved his "sons". Only deeming them most effective tools to embody the "best" aspects of warfare/humanity/himself.
Wtf are you talking about. Canonicaly, he did. It's just that this new lore bullshit keeps trying to change the Emperor from loving father and caring ruler to this travesty of a man. "Master of Mankind" is one of many examples of this. An author who is biased with Chaos writing the book solely around the Emperor is not going to end well.
@@syrienangel4137 "new lore" huh. Love to see newcomers say these things when the Emperor discarding multiple sons and showing them zero love or kindness, like Angron and Perturabo, has been canon for as long as said Primarchs and legions have existed in the canon. Always funny when someone tries to play the ancient fan but doesn't even know the oldest of memes in the fanbase is how terrible a father the Emperor always was.
@@gobolgar Yes, new lore. I still remember the canon from time Horus Heresy was simple legends. The thing is before that and when they started to delve in it, canon always portrayed Emperor as a bad father, but it was simply because he was losing his grasp on his own mortality, humanity and empathy. That is why he even created Custodes to be essentially his companions, guards, and confidants. He wasn't bad father because he intentionally treated them bad, but because he was, essentially, socially inept in normal interactions and couldn't empathize, understand or comfort his sons despite his best efforts. Hence the tragedy of it all. Then lately there is a LOT of writers that are just writing him as psycho who only saw others as tools. Especially authors who don't hide the fact Chaos is their puppy faction...
@@Aurilion44 The way you just described the Emperor is precisely how he's portrayed in the book series. He's lost touch with his humanity due to his age and godlike power, as well as his desperation to avert the worst possible future. This is his critical flaw, this is why his plans fail. This is directly called out as the main reason why he failed to connect with some of the Primarchs, which led them to fall to corruption in the end, but with others like Horus he did indeed come to see him as like a son. I don't understand what you're even complaining about.
Smurf king: "Better that we all hah burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this" The Emperor: "404 Error: Page Not Found. Sorry, the page you're looking for can't be found. It may have been moved or deleted. Please check the URL and try again. If you continue to encounter this issue, please contact the mechanicum for assistance. Thank you for your patience."
Poor G. To see your father has become little more than a battery, throwing together barely coherent words, half of them full of condemnation. I bet Gulliman never felt more alone.
Just a tool? Isn't that the opposite of what a sick, bad father would say in this case if it was true? Although it is something a sick father might say to spare the son the pain of mourning... Assuming the Emperor puts his own plans before his son, he would probably want him commited, and lie to him. Assuming the opposite, he might lie anyway if he is dying or something. And it is not like the Emperor cannot lie. He apparently started his own religion(s) before, only to abolish them later.
In dark imperium Guilliman is constantly conflicted with the emperor and their conversation. As much as we can gleam from it, he described it as "unending, infinite coldness" so the second one is probably more fact than fiction. It's safe to assume Guilliman wasn't greeted warmly by the emperor, but with contempt and dutiful coldness. Guilliman even bemoans the fact that the emperor allowed his primarchs to call him "father", and wondered if he was allowing mortal humans to worship him in much the same way.
How I think it goes. Guilliman: Father! I have returned to the imperium, and wish to heed your wisdom. To help us fight the enemy of man! And also my clinical decline to madness. Emperor: _K-Kitten? Is that you?_ Guilliman: Uh... no, farher. It is your son. Guil- _Suddenly, rain starts pouring on Terra._ Guilliman: ... _What._ Suddenly, a random robe dude materialised out of nowhere and started mopping the floor.
TTS really did a number on the fanbase's perception of the Emperor (and the Primarchs). Its baffling to me that people expected anything other than what we got. The Corpse Emperor is as much a factual statement as it is an insult. Personal Fan Theory, the Emperor and Malal are one and the same. The Emperor is called Anathema by Chaos, and the victory of Malal would be the death of the other Chaos gods. There is of course the shared skull imagery, and to draw irl comparisons, Odin the Allfather is also the god of death. The Emperors ultimate plan was to move Humanity to the Webway and eradicate all life in the galaxy, killing the Chaos gods.
It's almost like listening to someone on life support squeeze out their last words, or talking to someone with very heavy Amnesia or dementia. The love is there, the meaning is there, but there's not much of a shell left
Supremely uncomfortable scene. Guilliman being the “avenging son” really is a perfect reason for him to have been the first one to come back. He was a pipe hitter in the heresy, and now he’s depressed 10,000 years later. He’s great
What 10,000 years on the universe’s most expensive gaming chair does to a mf:
😂😂😂
The back pain must be crazy at this point.
@@Evil_Bread_Manipulator Id be mor3 concerned with the hard to place and unimaginably uncomfortable itch on his butt must be.
@@casematecardinal bro is depicted as a giant dragon beast of the warp eating anything in his path, but the ass itch does him in
We can say that he is infact chronically online💀💀
That's a pretty good way to depict how the emperor talked to guilliman. Cause in the book, his words were all cutting each other off, reaching guilliman all at the same time, but he understood every single word regardless.
with how burial portrayed it
it's also the most horrifying thing imaginable
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174to be fair, the current state of the Emperor is the most horrifying thing imaginable. Completely decayed, being kept alive in perpetual agony by eating 1,000 psykers daily, literal hell.
@@bluedog843 then people is out here worshipping you even tho you told them that you wasn’t a god and made it illegal to do so and he’s basically got to watch it happen
@@bluedog843that's not even the worst part, he had been fighting off the chaos gods for 10k years while his soul and mind are being twisted by the belief of quadrillions into a new warp god. Something that a mortal man could not endure even for a moment.
@@vid101. The God Emperor is not a mortal man
You know its funny people always focus on Ultra Depression of G-man but in his most iconic depression moment he quickly get a hold of himself and straight up state that he has no right to fall into pit trap of despair because while its true the Imperium is rotting, the very fact that it still exist and that there are peoples toiling day and night generations after generation to keep it and themselves alive despite being mere men is reason enough not to
The best part of warhammer wasn’t showing how bad it could get, but showing how people endured no matter how bad it got
@@capadociaash8003 What is a good man in a world gone so terminally insane.
@@Anthony_Cika The fact that he still fight to keep the dream alive is more than enough. That alone is what matter the most right now
PITY NOT THE HUMBLE GUARDSMEN
@@Anthony_Cika A beacon of hope. Of hope that all is not yet lost. That the freedom and glory has not yet perished. That the fate will yet smile towards us.
"Father are you familiar with the phrase you are what you eat, seeing that you're acting like an ever growing pile of screaming psychic children." - adornable
No
This. Is funny.
I instinctively read this in Lord adorable's voice
And I believe they were all high on narcotics.
I honestly would prefer if the Emperor was a big angry skelly baby than the eldritch horror Guilliman met.
All credit to King Blueberry. Stuck in stasis for ten millennia, to him the pre-Heresy Imperium is a recent memory.
Bro got gordon freemaned
@@Blue-jy4rf half life mentioned
@@Blue-jy4rfthis truly is klaxon beat moment
@@Blue-jy4rfA fellow scientist!
Doctor Freeman
Honestly I love how the Emperor has been turned into basically a physical anchor for a shattered god glued together by millions upon millions of screaming souls. I imagine each fragment of his soul has been allowed to develop its own opinions over the past ten millennia hence why Guilliman’s return prompts such a cacophony of responses. Then the greatest fragment coalesces them to provide a coherent response before once again breaking.
I think it's not just all the shattered souls, but every possible reality. Everything basically.
@@NIL0S I doubt that, psykers predicted a few alternate futures and canon 40k is the best one. IIRC there's one where Horus wins,realizes he was cheated out of freedom by the dark gods and destroys the galaxy to also destroy the dark gods, and one where the Emperor wins a full victory but his plan still doesn't work.
That said, the warp is the same to all the Games Workshop universes (warhammer fantasy, warhammer 40k, Chainsaw Man, etcetera) so maybe it is the alternate Emperor (or maybe it's the old canon that big E was actually a bunch of psyker souls fused into one, and "death" may have dislodged them...or added to them)
@@NIL0S Big E is powerful but not *that* powerful. He is slowly dying after all and has been incapable of saving himself for over ten thousand years. His final message to Guilliman is described as not the final, but almost the final burst of energy from the *thing* on the throne. He’s just become this endless knotted mess of soul fragments and psyker souls (approximately 3.6 *billion* of them) that cannot even begin to function coherently. He probably spends most of his energy just trying to stay above the surface of that enormous sea of insanity to power the astronomicon.
The emperor - from many one, to uplift humanity.
After millenia what held them together are fraying, worn and tired...
Even the eldar are now basicly saying:"the throneroom is fucked."
They cant even say what the thing on the Throne even is anymore. The Throne where He sits in even a physical place anymore.
Makes it even more awesome how the founders of the SoB kept their sanity standing before Him.
That's a REALLY good Guilliman voice. Probably only beaten by his rendition in the 10th edition trailer.
The trailer version is still too human i think
burialgoods has 2 voices: deep, and deeper. that's literally all he does, and he thinks the deeper the better.
@@DevinDTV😳😳😳🥴🥴🥴
Burial has such a deep voice it's crazy.
Gotta listen to the Dark Imperium ABs
I love the way the Emperor sounds. Like he's multiple people fighting at once for the chance to talk and a damaged machine struggling to process a response. Its really well done, really creepy. I've replayed that bit 5 times just to listen to how some of the words drag. The Guilliman voice is exceptional too!
I can’t begin to imagine how agonisingly painful it would be to talk via vox on the throne while fighting off all the warp and trying to tune out the screams of a 1000 souls.
A Fallout 1's "The Master" kinda vibe
This channel is amazingly good at cosmic horror for some reason lol
@@MrPear40 more like a billion by now, he's been fed those 1k souls *since he was put on the throne*
@@PedroLopes-rw5swboth are even part of a group called "Psykers" AND they were the first and most powerful psykers
Yeah, this is why he needed the damn text-to-speech device.
Tbh it’d probably still be like this
@@TheBirdMan9142 I was making a tts reference. “If the emperor had a text-to-speech device” by bruva alfubasa
@@JustALittleGhostOfHallownest i know. Great series, shame it ended, but just saying that if tts was canon it’d look more like this imo
@@InVinoVeratas isn’t it just mostly on hiatus until GW calms the fuck down? I remember hearing something about them planning to continue it eventually.
@@JustALittleGhostOfHallownest
Has GW calmed down yet or they on that fuck everyone that ain't me grind still
This is a hauting depiction of the Emperor's fragmented state. I love that
it's like fallouts The Master but even worse!
I love it!
instead of three voices, it's billions!
And the version in the video is pretty tamed compared to how it is described in the book, here the words are made to be understandable, normaly they all come at once with visions of things so old and horrible Guilliman doesn't believe they exist.
The Emperor is a lovecraftian eldritch god at this point.
@@dearcastiel4667 I fully believe Burialgoods has the power to depict the Emperor's speech perfectly, he didn't do so because he didn't want his viewers heads to explode.
"What more do you want from me?"
"I want you to break up with Yvraine"
"...that's fair"
And that's why the Ynnari have basically been squatted.
And the squats were somehow unsquatted
I assumed that was due to Gav Thorpe's terrible writing.
@@InVinoVeratas "How can we fix everything by going fast enough?" Jaghati, Probably.
HAHA BLUE GUY DATES ELF GIRL HAHAHA GET IT BECAUSE HE HAS SEX WITH ELDAR GIRL BECAUSE ELDAR GIRL IS TOTALLY WAIFU
literally the unfunniest fandom around that just repeats the same 10 jokes
As an eldar fan i hate how this sounds possible
Truly, like speaking to a star.
A schizophrenic, derpy star
A star child if you will
@@notusneo somewhere, Malice smiles.
Sad Fact: When he said “Failure” he was probably referring to himself…
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 It's all coming up Malice! One Malilion dollars at the box office! We vibing as nancanon property with this one!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
That dragged out "Guilliman" was probably the most heartbreaking line to cap everything else off. It somehow sounds like a parent patiently chiding their child. The whole thing is such a rollercoaster.
"Lord of Ultramar" --- an Emperor speaking to his subject
"My last hope" --- a proud leader knowing he addresses a hero of his realm
"My last tool" --- a leader with the mask removed. Everything reduced to power and tools to power
"My son" --- a father trying to comfort his boy
"Saviour" --- a religiously-charged term spat out by a fanatical atheist who couldn't find an alternative
"Hope" --- a man crying out for help
"Thirteen" --- a scientist, recalling the number he assigned to this particular experiment
"Failure" --- a pot trying to talk to the kettle
"Thief" --- a paranoid ruler who assumed the worst about Imperium Secundus
"Betrayer" --- same as the one above
"Liar" --- same as above
"Guilliman" --- the patient tones of a parent trying to chide their child
"Lord of Ultramar" --- all the pains between childhood and the present day, recapped
I love it showing just how fragmented and distorted the Emperor is and fuck is it terrifying. Imagine your son, your greatest general betrays you then leads a crusade against everything you built in the service of gods that you know will damn all of humanity. Your son is winning, the traitors are winning, they are at your doorstep and you must act. Your mortally wounded and must kill your son while he is brought out of his corrupted mind and he begs you to destroy him, not kill, destroy where there will be nothing left. So you grant your son, the general, the warmaster, the traitor, the puppet and finally the son’s last wish. You are then placed upon one of your finest achievements and it is to be your tomb, on top you will watch your empire fall into maddening delusion and despair, you are powerless and incapable of any action. You are forced for 10,000 years to stare into your failure, to add insult to injury you have been fed sacrifices and are worshipped as a god, you have become the very monster you wanted to destroy and now it appears as though the only way forward is to accept ascension and lose everything you were. The Emperor is fucking tragic and outright horrifying when you think about it
Idk if Savior would be religiously charged in this case, I think Big-E said it because he's the only Primarch(that he knows of) still alive and the only one capable of fixing the Empire of Man.
@trevormurray617 what's sad is when you look at him there is very little difference between him and a servitor
@@trevormurray617to be fair it was mostly his fault and maybe even part of the plan but yeah its a torture unimaginable.
The “my last hope” and “my last tool” being said together almost feels like someone who lost the ability yo hide their inner thoughts.
Like: “be careful he can hear all your layers of thoughts” then he concentrate all his energy to say “my last hope” as a way to control guiliman through guilty but his inner thoughts says “my last tool” as in: I don’t give a f about you, all that matters is my plan
Gulliman: "WHY WONT YOU LOVE ME LIKE A NORMAL FATHER?"
Emperor: *_PSYCHIC MODEM NOISES_*
What schizoposters sound like to normies.
What about Madnessposters?
Those normies cant handle my based schizopilled grindset 🤓
Normies can never break the cryptics
@@kgb976 lmfao bro takes shitposting way too seriously
@@Blue-jy4rfis it sigma tho? how based could it even be if it was someone else's program? - instant npc tier.
The reunion was really well written, as it actually ties into the themes of WH40K, that being despair and corrosion.
“Humanity nearly achieved peace, but instead it asked for pain, it asked to be humanity.
-Unknown 40k character
Hope in the face OF dispair. And screw-ups.
With just a tiiiiiny bit of bittersweet hope at the end
@@br9760 Nope, sorry but that's not what the setting is about.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero in OG Warhammer 40k, not even a tiny bit, no. People tend to forget that Warhammer is originally just dark humor of epic proportions.
The emperor has been reduced to a wailing wraith trapped in his own body, the will of countless dead subverting his own, as he constantly fights to remain as he was, the man, not the god.
And yet he still has the power to hold back horrors beyond comprehension...
I'd like to imagine that every once in a while Big E goes "everybody shut up! Humanity needs us!!" to all the souls he's mixing with in order to stay alive...
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 Most of what happened was his faults really
@@gangzilla5716pfft. Shut up, daddy issues
@gangzilla5716 eh, most of it is the Eldar's fault, followed by, in order, the Chaos Gods, Erda (if you want to pretend she exists and I do not), Lorgar, Magnus, and Horus.
@@elysiankentarchy1531 Most of that could have been prevented had he wasn't such a facist that yearn for xeno genocide instead of alliance and refuses to properly connect with his children which resulted in them falling to chaos' hands
_F**k_ that was beautiful.
Honestly the strange eldritch creature the Emperor has become is one of the things that I think makes 40k the incredible dystopian setting that it is.
When he walked among men, the human race was well on its way to rebuilding the utopia of the Men of Gold, only for it all to come crumbling to ruin thanks to the machinations of Chaos.
Now we are left with a Lovecraftian horror as savior of mankind, and I find that mesmerizing somehow.
Well it's _HIGHLY_ debatable if the Emperor could have actually achieved that. Especially since it's been revealed through visions of multiple timelines that this canon timeline is unironically the best one. In the most notable visions Horus realizes the Chaos Gods used him and destroys the Galaxy in an attempt to destroy both The Warp and the Chaos Gods with it. While in the scenario that the Emperor does not hold back and just annihilates Horus without mercy. He still ultimately fails his goal. The truth is that despite the Emperor's intentions he is actually the one that is holding back the Imperium. I think that as long as the Emperor of Mankind exists and the Imperium continues to depend on him. Humanity will never return to what it once was during the Dark Age of Technology.
@@mee091000the irony is that all he wanted was humanity to grow up into glorious 8 packed shinning beings 👼
Instead he unintentionally made them completely dependent on him.
@mee091000 All that's BS shovelled in by hack writers who didn't like the emporer, so character assassinated him late in the heresy. The emporer, is reduced to a powerful meathead, viewed as a fool by others. It's pathetic,and undermines the whole premise of the heresy,which is the tragedy of the Emporers dreams dying. If they never would have worked,then its all irrelevant.
@@jgw9990 seconded.
The idea of the emperor as an insane and abstract entity rather is weirdly canonical
Its a good thing people in powerful positions are never disconnected from the worries of the common folk
@@Michael-cb3uwwith how many common folk the emperors eaten I don’t think he even can be disconnected from them
@@capadociaash8003”have you ever heard the phrase “you are what you eat” father?”
@@capadociaash8003how does the emperor eat people?
@@bensosnowski1128 well technically he doesn’t, he’s dying so the imperium sacrifices ten thousand psychers every single day and there life force and energy are given to the emperor. It’s unknown if the emperor even knows this is happening.
This perfectly encapsulates the “It was like trying to talk to a star” descriptor
It is the gift of mortality that we perish in so short of time. Never seeing the futures our choices press into shape.
But Guillimans torment is this: He will. He is the Eternal Bricklayer. Living block by miserable block within the Future that must be forged by his tired hands. Building an Empire he never wished for.
But he had to. Because he was created to do just that.
A Leader. A Son. A Statesman.
A Tool. Hammering forever. As a Galaxy burns down around him…
one must imagine guilliman happy
Only way he would have been happier being a tool is if he was Rogal Dorn.
I'm so glad I'm an Ork player.
@@Chromeberdrogal would fortify and rebuild the imperium brick by brick for the fun of it. Peteurabo would just show up to ruin it because he just hates dorn
Syssyphus?
"My son, it is true that I have clung on to the last few scraps of life, but the time has come for you to seek the one who can restore me... seek her... seek Candice"
Who's Candice...Father?...Some kind of Psyker?
Lmao
no,@@RileyLewis-j2w she is... she... is...
“Candice……..Candice…….nuts” *dies*
“@@jb76489 you menial, shut it! I’m trying to concentrate… yes… she has a query for you XIII
That "To THEM" had more power in it than some entire movies I've watched.
I love how this captures the tragedy of the Emperors godlike yet demented state: canonically those words are not said in a descending order, as if some are true and others not - all of them, every single thing He thinks of Guilimann was "said" at the same time, both the faithful son and the tool, both a failiure and His greatest triumph, all of them, simultaneous and true
And not only of Guilliman, of Himself as well, moreso in fact
"Father-Not a father-Thing-Thing-Thing-Apotheosis"
Emps fat-fingered his soundboard
@@ExceedProduction lmfao
As much as I enjoy the sheer grimdarkness of Guilliman's little monologue, it's the paragraph that follows that embodies what I love about this setting. He overcomes his personal despair, reminds himself that there is still hope. Humanity may be on the verge of collapse in a degraded and backwards state compared to what they once were, but I didn't hear no bell.
Yes but knowing how Tyranids doing. I doubt that hope will be enough. Imperium is on dilematic situation is either continue fighting Chaos but risking to lose Segmentum Pacificus to Tyranids and open road to Armag and Terra or Starting to fight Tyranids back but sacrifice Nihilus to Abaddon.
That's why even though I'm impartial to the Ultramarines (they walk a line between boring and cool, sometimes it seems like they're the only ones who know how to get shit done), I think Guilliman is a complete badass. Any scene where Bobby G gets to punch something is a treat, if you've gone and made the bean counter angry, you're fucking DONE.
@@Warmaster2001man tyranids are such a writing toothache, "woops we made an army of doomsday zergs that already destroyed the universe, can't do anything with them because they are too op and theyre only contered by giant universe changing nukes that would make a Fortnite developer blush"
If anyone can do anything against the tyranids its probably the necrons. Their galaxy-affecting superweapons might be the only chance they really have.
That's a corruption of the original setting. The OG Warhammer 40k is not at all about "hope" or whatever other Hollywood bullshit.
"You are not my son. None of you ever were. You were my gifts to humanity. 20 shining beacons to lead them into a new age. But none of you could rise above your personal desires."
"Why do you still fight, Father?"
"Only in Death does Duty end."
Bobby G is so much more than the current Imperium deserves.
Its not about what the Imperium deserves but about what it needs. The fact that the Imperium survived for so long is reaosn enough for Bobby G to try and save it, if only for the average peons who toil and suffer to survive.
@@KalashVodka175 The power of autism knows no bounds. The Orks and Imperium being the most numerous proves my point.
Big E: My last hope
Random Watcher in the Dark: No. There is another.
I appreciate Guiliman didnt get the sad wojack art for the second part, still Chad Bluberry King
Hits hard when the imperial golden poster boy would sooner die in heresy than live to see what the Imperium has become
And then he still got to work
What an absolute lad.
That is until you read the rest of the quote where he basically goes "no, this is humanity's enemies' fault. There is still hope left to fight".
@@voomvoom4522 Finally, another actual fan who doesn't just consume 40k memes but also the actual material
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I've only actually read the first few books in the HH. I found the full quote on Twitter.
@voomvoom4522 I am aware of the full quote and i still fail to see how it reducts or renders anything of what i said somehow less?
The point of what I'm saying is that the Big Smurf woke up to pretty much one of the darkest scenarios he could have imagined and realised that it's reality now.
And then still carried hope, will and went to put in the work to fix things no matter how gargantuan the task.
It's absolutely admirable.
What hits hard is the weight of his statement on the current state of humanity.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978Lol "actual fan"
You're sure immersed in the spirit aren't you
Hasty judgements are sure lore accurate
I vastly prefer the emperor as an entirely inhuman warp monster, trapped in a human body than the other way around. Well done
Doesn't make sense, considering that he's explicitly the product of the human psyche.
Always has been.
"LOOK WHAT THEY MADE OF OUR DREAM!!"
Holy CRAP that goes hard.
"In the spires and the slums, our people sing of 'Victory.' Victory, as the galaxy burns, victory as the Imperium rots around us, victory as humanity rages against the dying of the light. Victory..."
“My last son, my pride, my greatest triumph.”
How those words burned him, worse than the poisons of Mortarion, worse than the sting of failure. They were not a lie, not entirely. It was worse than that.
They were conditional.
"To them!" you can hear his voice carry in throneroom. Thats quality
Also the emperor: *proceeds to carve his name into mortarion’s heart*
Big E is probably the most inconsistent character in 40k due to him being use as a plot device rather than being his own character most of the time. So just pick and choose what you want him to be
Malice and Spite are the two things you can't take from Big E.
@@dean_l33It's a god, if they make him a character like all others it would become "human", and the mysterious aura that surrounds him will disappear.
@@alroma5869 That'd be true if it weren't for multiple BL author having it out for him. Looking at you Erda, Astarte
@@dean_l33Fucking Erda should not have existed to begin with
People always do the first part of the despair line without adding the second part where Bob dismisses the very thought:
Why do I still live,’ he snarled. ‘What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they’ve made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.’
Even as he said it, Guilliman heard the lie in his words. Amongst his brothers, none had been more idealistic than Roboute Guilliman. None had envisioned a brighter future, not just for Mankind but also for the warriors of the Legiones Astartes. That flame of hope had been a part of him for as long as he had lived. Even now, as it was smothered by darkness and woe, Guilliman realized that his flame endured.
‘There’s hope still,’ he told himself, turning back to the window and placing one armoured palm against it. He stared out at the work gangs, labouring to repair the damage of war, and the Ultramarines stood proud and determined upon the ramparts. They had been born into this dark millennium, and had known nothing but the hardship, suffering and despair of unending conflict. Yet still they struggled on unbowed, despite the countless enemies ranged against them. Guilliman had seen a better age, one of hope and triumph. What right had he, a superhuman son of the Emperor himself, to show any less strength and courage than his followers born in darkness?-
So basically he said: "Yeah, life is suck but there’s not much choice than to keep going."
@@gangzilla5716 "It is what it is" mindset
guilliman literally said that's that and this is this
@@КнязьМаксирmore like “fuck it we ball”
The replies with amoeba ass interpretations of this quote
False.
I was there.
BIG E:
Guliman you are the warhammer 40,000
Guliman: k
"as it turned out, there were 40,000 warhammers inside you all along"
Can confirm, I was the Golden Throne
"Perhaps the real warhammers were the friends me made along the way."
I believe you.
Nay, I believe in you.
Great jokes. 🔥 content.
I like that the most clear thing he says is “My son”. Shows that even in his fractured and insane state, he still cares for his son.
Him saying "my son" is more of a fact, just because your dad might call you son doesn't mean he cares,you literally came out of his nut sack
Maybe, though I have my doubts that that is the case. There was a moment where the Emperor spoke to Malcador about how he really only sees the Primarchs as tools, there to serve a purpose and nothing more. Obviously he cared less for some (see, Angron)
@@dylancrozier84Big E loathed Angron the moment the Emperor learned that Angron did not lead his planet. Then when Angron was snatched and started complaining about his personal problems, he became an annoyance that was just too useful to throw away.
In the book he insists on Guilliman not being a son but a tool to him, but I don't believe that for a second. He just forces his emotions down, then and now.
The emperor being fully sentient on the Throne is still to me one of the darkest moments of all sci-fi.
Remember: The Emperor has suffered the worst fate of anyone in 40k.
True,but The Emperor deserves it for being an asshole to his children. Especially Angron.
Can you elaborate it pls ? Im kinda new to this universe...
Simply put, in W40K universe, there is a species of superhuman with psychic ability called Psyker. The "Emperor", the number one MVP of mankind, is the strongest psyker that ever exist.
Fast forward, the Emperor "sacrifice" himself to aid humanity's progress by using his psychic power to fuel up "the Warp", a W40K version of light-speed travel. Since the Emperor is, well, still human, he obviously can't go on forever, and his followers built him the Golden Throne, a throne-shaped life support system to keep the Emperor's biological body alive for as long as possible.
Of course, this Golden Throne is not flawless, and the Emperor is, at the end, still human. A few millenia has passed, and his body gradually decayed until it's just skin and bones.
But the Emperor's consciousness still remains, all this years, all this millenias, the Emperor sitting in the Golden Throne, still sentient, still thinking, and fully aware, despite his decaying body.
I know you tried to explain this to him but you did it wrong. Presumably Humanity built the throne during the DAoT _(Dark Age of Technology)._ It was not built specifically for the Emperor. It's preserved technology that is so advanced no one else knows how it was even created. Not even the Eldar know how it works. If humanity had built it for him then where would he no urgency in the fact that it's currently failing and will very soon stop working. The entire point of the Imperium in 40k is that they are the remnants of a dystopian past. A past that was so technologically advanced that they were almost on par with the Eldar post War in Heaven. Humanity in its current state does not have the knowledge to create new technology. They can only poorly maintain it and use fragmented blueprints from the Dark Age of Technology.
@@thrain9437 Please don't accept that explanation lol. He's got it ALL wrong.
"If it is possible to restore the Emperor, and if He could regain true life, then what went into the throne room of the Imperial Palace may not be what emerges." from Dark Imperium
The choice of music portrays exactly what 40k fans should feel upon Guilliman's return. The hope of change for the better.
Sometimes the fans don't know how sub par what they were asking for really is until the writers slap them in the face with something far more interesting then they could ever have asked for in the first place
Sometimes the fans are right and what theyre asking would have been better than the half-cooked nonsense a bunch of sub-par hacks think up, which is subsequently slapped with the official stamp so that people who just mindlessly consume things with the 40k label will then pretend is not horrible.
@@machine3589 whole lot of words just to say “I don’t like that guilliman isn’t boring”
@@woodlefoof2 Found the mindless consooomer. Go back to the 40k labeled troff and pretend it tastes good.
@@machine3589dude, fans have no idea what they want.
This has literally never happened yet.
Can’t get over how well the emperors husk of a being is portrayed in this. The low groans and droning voice is both unsettling and heartbreaking to hear.
It’s like a senile relative remembering who they were for a heartbeat before returning to madness.
That first God Emperor voice with the angels singing in the background, we need some more of that!
Traitor legion:
"Dad was never kind to us."
"He never treated us like sons."
Loyal legion:
"Dad was a piece of shit."
"He literally just used us as his tools."
"My last son. My pride. My greatest triumph. My last hope. My last tool..."
"Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this."
Careful there Guilliman, starting to sound like the Cabal there.
>inb4 the Guilliman Gambit
Where's Alpharius when ya need him?!
@vsGoliath96 Dorn killed him. Maybe. Hard to say when the writers seem to have no idea what they want to do with him. He'll be fine after like a week probably.
@@elysiankentarchy1531 I am Alpharius
@@elysiankentarchy1531I am Alpharius
That "Thief..." was the Emperor being absolutely honest in like, forever.
The god emperor of mixed signals.
For being just a simple meme you nailed the half-life state of the caco-emperor, just loved it
Behind all the cool things, badassery and destruction, the stories are so fuckin sad.
Now I want to see a 40k universe classically animated movie as well written, intelligently designed, voiced as this moment, and meme.
The second one is way cooler. Its almost silly to think that Emperor would be anything but eldritch horror after 10 000 years of being kept alive by noone knows what.
Just a little note:
Guillimans words echo the words of emperor.
"What more do you want from me? " A Tool.
"What more can I give?" A Hope.
"I already gave everything" A son.
"What they have made of our dream" thirteenth and hope.
Long rant of failure, fear, liars, betrayers and thiefs.
And then guillimans feelings.
Burialgoods's voice is the voice I imagine for the Emperor and Guilliman.
And even then, Guilleman left Terra and began to work. Dude is giving his best, even when ultra depressed
I mean considering what the state of The Emperor poetically/thematically matches the state of The Imperium...I'd say it's accurate.
Also further proved that Uriah was and still remains correct.
The Emperor had his mind completely shattered and his humanity broken the moment the Horus Heresy ended, and thus he was reduced to an eldritch monstrosity
@@LackOfSleepIsAbsurd And ultimately Uriah was proven right too.
The old, "delusional" priest of the last church had far greater foresight than The Emperor ever seemed to.
Seriously, especially in the setting, The Imperial Truth was based entirely on a lie. The Emperor, the one who pushed it, not only knew it was false, but was a god who's power came from the supernatural itself.
So instead of y'know, teaching the dangers of The Warp, and using his powers and knowledge to bolster his people's defenses against it or even tried to reclaim it...decided it was better to lie to everyone and say it didn't exist. Especially when the Chaos Gods were absolutely at play and not content with letting his plans go down.
Did he expect that lie to last forever? Or that when he did tell the truth of the matter, people would he okay with what he did?
Seriously, for all the faults of the likes of Horus, Magnus, and the others...the Emperor has his own lion share of the blame for how it all happened.
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And eldritch monstrosity that's still somehow holding all of Humanity together...
He's basically if the Mesoamerican Mummy Emperors but if they had actual power.
I know this is kind of a joke but that's actually one of the better vocalizations I've heard of the way the emperor was trying to speak to guilliman. So broken and exhausted that he can't even get the cadence and inflections of his words right. The burden of being the last thread on a very thin rope for over ten thousand years straight. No rest, no reprieve, no hope. Desperately trying to hold on... Just hold on. For one more day.
The Emperor sounding so creepy is fitting. He's no longer human - his corpse is mostly machinery, his mind trapped in the Immaterium for 10,000 years
The Emperor is mostly dead. Not all the way dead though. Just alive enough to be a blinking traffic light.
“But what if he’s all dead?”
“Then Horus would of searched his pockets for loose change.”
I think he consists of mostly other souls than his own at this point. They are already interrupting him, i wonder if they will ever overpower him if they just keep feeding hım souls everyday like this. The man is being diluted in his own body. Horrifying
"Mostly dead is still slightly alive. If he's all the way dead, there's only one thing you can do."
"What's that?"
"Search his pockets for loose change."
@@OR56 As you wish! LOL!
@@connortripp99 Probably find some gold coins, him being the Emperor and all.
Okay, but unironically, this is a really good reading of this scene. The fractured split voices of the emperor’s fragmented psyche all being him, and yet not is so perfect. And then Guilliman’s response, full of vitriol and anger and sadness? Perfection.
And then Big E hit guillimman with "Only in death does Duty ends"
"And you and I ain't dying for a loooooooooooooong time son..."
The Emperor of Mankind died, his hopes, emotions, dreams and ambition with him. Only the Anathema remains; a force to oppose Chaos.
The emperor really being like the master from the first fallout game especially when he constantly speak like a legion of souls all struggles to come in harmony.
Wow nice ref, makes sense. They're actually very similar characters in their idealism and plans, even if they had opposing goals. And both fell down because of seemingly cracks in the Great Plan.
They are also both possessed of Numen and therefore gods. Both even managed to get cults working for them through claims of godhood.
Both were turned into gods against their wills, but The Master accepted his role as a god willingly.
Both of them were even Psykers (that's what those with psychic powers are called in fallout) AND were the first and most powerful psykers in the world
This made Gulliman a lot more human and relatable. He sees just how rotten to the core the original ambition has become
Honestly, that interaction was perfect. The Emperor and the Imperium of Man was always meant to be horrific *gim dark* satire. What The Emperor set out to do and what the Imperium had become are at opposite ends. The Emperor set out to form a human empire that would be strong, progressive, and secular. Guilliman essentially did that with the Worlds of Ultramar.
Guilliman waking up to see a sprawling, rotting carcass of an Imperium that is regressive and fanatical is like a neverending nightmare. I was very concerned that Guilliman would be a walking mary sue, since that's how capable Primarchs are. Instead, Guilliman is shown to be desperately holding on to hope in a galaxy awash in despair. Darkness pushing against him in all directions. It's all he can do to keep the Imperium's head above water.
The 10th edition launch trailer was so good and communicating that, too. I love that trailer.
Jaghatai: "Yo, wassup my homies. I am back with the ciggies like I said I was getting."
Vulkan: "Haha, And I have retrieved my lighter! Let us smoke the boof."
Corax: "Caw caw motherfuckers, I just finished putting Lose-gar into a headlock. Where's the boof?"
Dorn: "Smoking is bad for your health."
Guilliman: smoking is against the Codex!
@@aceambling7685 Leman Russ, bursting through the backdoor Kramer style : "That won't stop me because I can't read."
@@aceambling7685 "Are you calling my ultraboofs mid?"
Bold of him to think whatever is sitting on that thrown is still his father.
it may be a meme, but as an idea of it should go its spot on.
like, the emperor sounds uncanny, and it reflects the 10,000 years of pain he has been enduring.
Son, may I have some glory?
No.
I am starving, son.
As am I Father, the writers have thrown the glory at me. Me, Father. I believe they have taken a liking to me.
No son, I have seen this before. I have observed many things, from gellar field generators. Going from lost tech out of the dark age of technology, being turned into a trapped and tortured psycher. To how the fanbase wept when the writers decided to change the lore. And from my experiences I have learned that the writers will give extra glory to one of us, before rewriting us again.
They will do terrible things in rewriting you,my son.
Lies! That process is what comes of us acheiving greatness and through which our potential is realized! You are a fool Father. And you shall be left behind in the quagmire with your backwards Imperium.
No son! You must believe me. Share with me the glory and you shall not reach the desired status for the writers. They will spare your dignity, son.
Aha! So this was all a plan to steal my glory. You truly are despicable Father. I will not trust your lies.
Guilliman really said "Death to the Imperium would've been better than this"
As someone with extreme daddy AND brother issues, this hits home.
Major "You have been a massive @#$%ing disappointment, but you're still the most precious thing in the world to me" vibes...
Remember, in a galaxy so filled with hatred an war, even the most sane looking gods are the most unhinged creatures
Note sure what's "sane looking" about a millenia old corpse hooked up to an eldritch machine
No i like how they did it, it fits grimdark
Cawl: O hey, Guilliman! We've basically resurrected you to become the last hope of mankin...
Guilliman: Horus was right to try to kill us all.
Cawl: *Fuck.*
It is bit sad that Emperor never in canon loved his "sons". Only deeming them most effective tools to embody the "best" aspects of warfare/humanity/himself.
Canonically, the only ones he truly loved where Horus and Sanguinius.
Wtf are you talking about. Canonicaly, he did. It's just that this new lore bullshit keeps trying to change the Emperor from loving father and caring ruler to this travesty of a man. "Master of Mankind" is one of many examples of this. An author who is biased with Chaos writing the book solely around the Emperor is not going to end well.
@@syrienangel4137 "new lore" huh. Love to see newcomers say these things when the Emperor discarding multiple sons and showing them zero love or kindness, like Angron and Perturabo, has been canon for as long as said Primarchs and legions have existed in the canon. Always funny when someone tries to play the ancient fan but doesn't even know the oldest of memes in the fanbase is how terrible a father the Emperor always was.
@@gobolgar Yes, new lore. I still remember the canon from time Horus Heresy was simple legends. The thing is before that and when they started to delve in it, canon always portrayed Emperor as a bad father, but it was simply because he was losing his grasp on his own mortality, humanity and empathy. That is why he even created Custodes to be essentially his companions, guards, and confidants. He wasn't bad father because he intentionally treated them bad, but because he was, essentially, socially inept in normal interactions and couldn't empathize, understand or comfort his sons despite his best efforts. Hence the tragedy of it all.
Then lately there is a LOT of writers that are just writing him as psycho who only saw others as tools. Especially authors who don't hide the fact Chaos is their puppy faction...
@@Aurilion44 The way you just described the Emperor is precisely how he's portrayed in the book series. He's lost touch with his humanity due to his age and godlike power, as well as his desperation to avert the worst possible future. This is his critical flaw, this is why his plans fail. This is directly called out as the main reason why he failed to connect with some of the Primarchs, which led them to fall to corruption in the end, but with others like Horus he did indeed come to see him as like a son. I don't understand what you're even complaining about.
And then Jon Grammaticus appeared, saying Robute had to come with him to the Chud Dimension...
My son, my tool, my empires, my shame, my own rotting corpse of a prison. End this.
This is Cannon?
@@jeffseeker900 no, howitzer
its not, mortar
And they said men don't cry.
I for one was crying at the ending
The fans wanted the prodigal son, but what really happened was a corrupt dad
Such complex battles wthin the soul of each profound word....this is poetry 👁️🔱
Smurf king: "Better that we all hah burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this"
The Emperor: "404 Error: Page Not Found. Sorry, the page you're looking for can't be found. It may have been moved or deleted. Please check the URL and try again. If you continue to encounter this issue, please contact the mechanicum for assistance. Thank you for your patience."
As long as the genetic line of humanity is kept going, there is always hope for an eventual victory, peace, and better life.
This is really sad ngl. Did the lore good here, sir.
Poor G. To see your father has become little more than a battery, throwing together barely coherent words, half of them full of condemnation. I bet Gulliman never felt more alone.
You lend an amazing voice to the world; thank you for sharing your natural talent.
Ngl burial should voice some characters in 40k, his darkness fits perfectly with the setting
Just a tool? Isn't that the opposite of what a sick, bad father would say in this case if it was true? Although it is something a sick father might say to spare the son the pain of mourning...
Assuming the Emperor puts his own plans before his son, he would probably want him commited, and lie to him. Assuming the opposite, he might lie anyway if he is dying or something.
And it is not like the Emperor cannot lie. He apparently started his own religion(s) before, only to abolish them later.
That was some analog horror shit.
And an excellent one at that.
In dark imperium Guilliman is constantly conflicted with the emperor and their conversation. As much as we can gleam from it, he described it as "unending, infinite coldness" so the second one is probably more fact than fiction. It's safe to assume Guilliman wasn't greeted warmly by the emperor, but with contempt and dutiful coldness. Guilliman even bemoans the fact that the emperor allowed his primarchs to call him "father", and wondered if he was allowing mortal humans to worship him in much the same way.
How I think it goes.
Guilliman: Father! I have returned to the imperium, and wish to heed your wisdom. To help us fight the enemy of man! And also my clinical decline to madness.
Emperor: _K-Kitten? Is that you?_
Guilliman: Uh... no, farher. It is your son. Guil-
_Suddenly, rain starts pouring on Terra._
Guilliman: ... _What._
Suddenly, a random robe dude materialised out of nowhere and started mopping the floor.
TTS really did a number on the fanbase's perception of the Emperor (and the Primarchs). Its baffling to me that people expected anything other than what we got. The Corpse Emperor is as much a factual statement as it is an insult.
Personal Fan Theory, the Emperor and Malal are one and the same. The Emperor is called Anathema by Chaos, and the victory of Malal would be the death of the other Chaos gods. There is of course the shared skull imagery, and to draw irl comparisons, Odin the Allfather is also the god of death. The Emperors ultimate plan was to move Humanity to the Webway and eradicate all life in the galaxy, killing the Chaos gods.
It's almost like listening to someone on life support squeeze out their last words, or talking to someone with very heavy Amnesia or dementia. The love is there, the meaning is there, but there's not much of a shell left
The Emperors Voice is default text to speech. It is the (true) cannon
Meanwhile Big E to Titus: WAKE THE FUCK UP ULTRAMARINE, WE HAVE AN EYE OF TERROR TO BURN!
Accurate
actually.. it's pretty good.. I don't expect someone with a "carcass" and only exists because thousands of sacrificed psychics can talk that good
Father, can i please have some oats.
*NO*
Supremely uncomfortable scene. Guilliman being the “avenging son” really is a perfect reason for him to have been the first one to come back. He was a pipe hitter in the heresy, and now he’s depressed 10,000 years later. He’s great