Roboute Guilliman deserves more RESPECT! He's an amazing Primarch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- We all laugh, joke and meme at Roboute Guilliman but really this Primarch deserves way more respect, since his return he's done an amazing job driving back the forces of those who stand against the Imperium
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_Konor talking to Guilliman_ "He may have been your father but he wasn't your daddy."
Love the layers of reference there.
Yes
(Manly Tears)
I like this.
Aw man, I loved that part of Guilliman’s upbringing
There’s something i haven’t seen anyone mentioning: Guilliman managed to give a role to the Space Marines in times of peace : The Tetrarchs . One of the reasons Horus betrayed is he didn’t knew what to do when the Crusade were finished and feared he was pushed aside or displaced like the Thunder Warriors. Guilliman cracked the code here , yes , the Space Marine are superb soldiers but if you teach them the arts of statesmanship, they become superb leaders capable of managing entire systems ( that’s what Guilliman did with the whole XIIIth , he created soldiers but also diplomats and men of state )
Thiel my boy is that you?if it is you come to dad i miss you!!
All Primarchs emphasized an aspect of the Emperor, Girlyman was the paper pushin bureaucrat warrior. So he made ststesmen marines. Alpharius made officer cspable of critical thinking and approach things in many ways and think outside the box to solve problems.
One of the most important aspects of the Adeptus Astartes, their superhuman intelligence and insight, is often ignored in favor of pure warfare, which is a shame. What I respect about the Ultra Marines is that they are a very well rounded chapter, they really embody superhumanity.
Awesome response. I never thought of that.
This, and the fact that he's the only loyal Primarch who's location was known, are the reasons GW brought him back first. He made the most sense for the lore to progress.
Fuck the haters, I think he's great
It made the most sense all and all. He's a great primarch, and one of most human. Hes powerful as hell, but still has a realistic character.
He's exactly what the imperium needs right now, combined with what you said, and how he's a diplomat and good Commander, he's literally the perfect fit right now. Why people hate on him when he's a living legend is beyond me.
damn right !
@@blan_k4691
It's because people always search for flaws in other people. If they find someone or something without flaws they often become wary. Probably because it's makes them look weak in comparison.
Thats oe reason why Sanguinius is more a fan favorite. He has a flaw written into his character. Overcoming your flaws makes you human and is inspiring.
Being perfect in the first place makes character development way harder to compare to.
Gulliman is kinda perfect.
Good in pretty much everything, defeating other primarchs on several occasions, a superior strategist and tactician, an outstanding statesman (the best under the primarchs) and he has lot of spotlight in the lore, including being the primarchs of the most famous and featured Astartes legion.
I like Gulliman too, he is one of my favorite primarchs BUT i totally get what there is to hate about him.
Guilliman is great, but we DO know where the Lion is.
Oof, someones kicking the Hornets nest.
Kikin da hornys ness iz gud fer a propa WARRGGGAHHHH!!!
Filthy Gitz!
In the lore, it makes sense for him to be running things. How many of the other Primarchs had an empire of their own outside of their adopted homeworld? I think you'll find the answer is, NONE.
@@Bassmeister_Jay Plus even after his death, the chapter continued to run what was left of Ultramar so well that the citizens have almost godlike reverence for them.
@@Jbay2608 Exactly. The godlike reference is abit unfortunate though, for the Astartes, I mean. But in dark times people need something to believe in. Also, If Terra were ever to fall, Which is highly unlikely but still a possibility, There would need to be a contingency. The realm of Ultramar is that contingency. I do not think Guilliman is doing it out of spite to his father but merely being practical with the situation the galaxy is faced with. People are quick to chastise Guilliman and the Ultramarines because yes they are the poster boys of the imperium but at the same time the only legion/Chapter who plan ahead. People need to consider this more. Instead of blah blah the ultrasmurfs are trying to take over blah blah! That Ultrasmurfs joke is as old as the Chaos gods combined. People need to let it go.
Never had a problem when Guilliman coming back first. I just want more Imperium primarchs instead of a continual stream of Chaos ones.
or, a loyalist comes back, realizes the Tau have some pretty good ideas, and shacks up with the blueberries.
@@walterlopez5054 Please no....
GW: you want more Primarchs
Players: Yes.
GW: here's perturabo.
Players:.... Where's Fulgrim, Angron, Lion, Russ, Corax?
@@svaarcaldersson6628 My main point is that Chaos has 3 Primarch level characters. They got the first one, fine. We got the second with Guilliman, cool. Mortarian comes back, okay. Then mini-Horus goes on another one of his Black Crusades. That's 3 v 1 and Guilliman has had to fight all of them. Then it seems the rumor mill is suggesting either Angron or Fulgrim is up next which would make it 4 v 1. That's just ridiculous and Emperor's Children are my second army. As much as I would love to get my hands on a 40K Fulgrim, I would much rather the Imperium get the next one for some kind of parity.
@@hansallen2708 but haven't you heard Guilliman can do it all, he is the "first among equals" or some BS. I would love any other loyalist come back and hear about them then more Guilliman and the Smurfs saving the day. Yes Guilliman was the proper one to bring back first, however he has had his time in the light, time for a warrior primarch to come into the light and back off Guilliman.
Guilliman is behaving more like a proper emperor than the emperor seems to be.
The inquisition would like a word with you
Heretic
@@comradeweismann6947 buncha religous nut jobs listening to the words of a traitor
@@Garl_Vinland the inquisition listens to the book that was written by the first traitor primach lorgar, whos'a the heretic now?
"Enough! Both of you! You threaten our secrecy!"
Adeptus Custodes member.
It's not Guilliman's fault. It's the fanboying of the Ward that won him and his sons such a bad reputation.
Don't forget Gathering Storm being rushed and the Ultrasmurfs adhering to the codex like a Bible despite this book just being _guidelines_ !
@@Archon3960 I think Ortan Cassius is largely to blame for that.
After they were fourth in a race of four during 2nd Ed, they earned a little time on top of the pile.
Well, he has improved a lot and we may argue GW back in 5th edition was still trying to dial up the grimdark, BFGA2 scripts were wrote by him and you see people praising them.
@@Archon3960 tell that to the inquisition nut jobs who believe the emperor is a god when he said not to
I found him really well grounded and human in the Ultramarines 30k and 40k books. I like him a lot as he is relatable to me, despite being a demigod. He exhibits a lot of humanity unlike plenty other primarchs.
his humanity is thanks to the fact that he probably had the best childhood of all the primarchs, in fact his adoptive mother was his advisor during part of the great crusade
@@miguelangelperezverdin6970 a lot of people forget the Ultramarines and most of the successor chapters work with the humans and to a degree care for the humans. Other chapters see humans as target practice even loyalist ones.
@@miguelangelperezverdin6970 is that the advisor in the heresy books?
Damn that's why he went so crazy when killed. 🤔
@@toomanyaccounts
that is another important aspect of the ultramarins they really care about humans, for example ultramar is the best place to live in the imperium
@@miguelangelperezverdin6970 Exactly, a lot of people only think of the Salamanders when they think about Astartes that still care about normal humans. But when you look at the way the Ultramarines have run Ultramar, they've always tried to be fair and treat their human subjects well. As long as the humans of Ultramar work hard and produce what they need to, the Ultramarines keep them safe in return. And that all comes from the fact that they kept alive the traditions and way of governance that Roboute put in place all those thousands of years ago. The Ultramarines series of novels with Uriel Ventris portray this very well, where Uriel even went to visit a wounded Guardsman who had saved his life and gave him one of his Purity Seals out of respect for what he had done.
Childhood: Utramarines wooo! xD
Adolescence: Heh...smurfs, overrated, annoying lame chapter pls die
Adulthood: The Ultramarines and Robout Guilliman are the stable lynchpin keeping mankind from collapse, their seeming perfection is no a flaw but earned through utmost discipline, hard work and courage that makes others envious.
So true. 😂
Calgar and Cato Sicarius are keeping it all together with a combination of plot armour and plot armour.
I still think the Emperor DID view the Primarchs as his kids... Back during 30k. The ten-thousand years on the Throne have tortured his psyche into a shadow of its former self.
Maybe the emperor wants Guilliman to think independently and not think "What would father do " so he made Guilliman kinda resent him.
If you read the horus heresy novels where the emperor comes into play, you see that he really doesn't view them as his children. He simply allows them to see him as their father.The emperor is EXTREMELY pragmatic. He only sees his goal and everything around him is simply another tool towards that goal. You have to consider however, that the Emperor isn't your normal daily entity. He's been running around for tens of thousands of years. When you live that long you need to distance yourself from emotional connections else you will go insane. Sadly, that also makes him the monster that he is.
@Patrick Mathers exactly that's what I think the emperor intended
@@grud8495 actually only in the newer books his coldness comes out. Earlier heresy books show him being kindly.
I assumed as the heresy went on people saw/realised different things in the emperor.....
Master of Mankind and Dark Imperium suggest otherwise.
Imagine how stressfull it must be to do Guillimans Job. Now Imagine how De-Stressing an Eldar Waifu can be . . .
Well Papa Smurf is already visibly aging because of the stress and Primarchs don't age normally
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Being relegated to fix the Imperium's clogging for 10k years is going to do that to a man.
I mean, look at his dad. Guy hasn't had even a second of sleep having to constantly clean after the four old men sitting at his table. The emperor looks in a permanent state of grogginess, you think his boy is going to come through unscathed?
@@Tacoguy1000 I don't I just think we need to acknowledge Papa Smurfs sacrifice
The Emperor approves.
I have to agree where things are in the Imperium. None of the other loyal Primarchs, have the skills or talent for empire handling. Dorn can hold a Wall, the Lion can defeat/hunt an Enemy, but they don't have the drive or talent for managing an Empire.
I'd agree, but there's a point you miss - Dorn already did.
Dorn historically lacks political tact. Definitely would be a lot more adversarial than Guilliman. The thing is, I can’t see Dorn playing the long game that Guilliman is doing right now with the 40k Imperium. Seems more like Dorn would have started out straight from the get go with the black and white, you’re with us or against us argument.
Viking18 Dorn would’ve caused a schism already with the Inquisition
Do they have the talent to stop Cawl from doing silly stupid shit with traitor legions geneseed ? :)
I feel like Lion and most likely Dorn would have dismantled the inquisition and possibly the church.
You want the Khan back?
Well, you Khan't have him!
:P
Cute
Am I the only one who wants Primarch Corvus Corax back. 😢
Yes XD
No i want every primarch back
No, you are not.
Additionally he would work nice as independent anti-Chaos vigilantee who just semi-randomly appears from the warp and murders Chaos followers with all his warp powers.
He could even gather following of similar minded individuals who obsessed with fight against Chaos, but feel chained by strict institutions of the Imperium.
in the lore corvus corax fought lorgar in the warp after the horus heresy
Corax is doing the funky chicken on Demons heads atm. Let him do his thing.
REVENGE!!!
Hit them with the Truth, Brother Valrak. Most idiots only diss at Guilliman due to dumb, old memes. He is, without any doubt one of the best Primarchs. Even Horus himself admited it.
Papa Smurf always knew best, so idk why people used it as an insult 😂
Sérgio Vieira
Honestly I dislike Rawbooty because he’s the poster boy with a troublesome history under a certain ahem someone. Girlyman was a Mary Sue until recently, and many in his Legion still are. Plus, due to the Primaris and their connection with Robot... well, that’s just one more massive reason to dislike him. Honestly the only primarchs I dislike more are Lion and Manus.
Vanilla ice cream is my favorite flavor. But if the cashier at the ice parlor kept cramming it down my throat, I'd still be miffed.
@@xtracool12 I still call him Papa smurf but I don't mean it as an Insult. He's always the guy who fixes the mess other people make and that's exactly what Guilliman is .
Agreed
Horus, Gets decades of close attention from the Emperor. Can't reach him in a call for a few decades - Starts a civil war.
Guilliman gets told he is only a tool and not the Emperor's son, does a decent stab at fixing the Imperium.
just saying, Horus was maybe a bit spoiled.
What Guilliman has done so far based off Dark Imperium and Devastation of Baal:
1. Guilliman centralizing and spring cleaning the Imperium's political system
2. Indominus crusade (overall raises morale)
3. Bringing back remembrancers taught by Bobby G (Dark Imperium Book 2) counteracting the Inquisition
4. Reveals the Primaris like a new car bolstering devastated forces
5. Openly regrets splitting the legions, so might as well appoint people (Dante and Bobby G) to command a plethora of chapters as pseudo legions.
Guilliman knows humanity needs hope.
Having been an administrator, I can appreciate what a thankless job it is to do well. Others could conquer an Empire, but Guilliman can run it.
Anyone working in management and not rooting for Guilliman has serious issues.
got to say，Guilliman is doing so well as the leader of the imperial for now(though I'm a dark angel player,you can't deny the hard work he did)
I got into 40k for the lore. Tbh I have never played an actual match, although I do play Legions (the mobile game) very often.
*WHAT DID YOU DO WITH REAL VALRAK YOU XENO?!*
It was his Iron Warriors evil twin brother
@Chaplain Elysius [in IF voice] No
Sentinelus The Dragon King Of Harmony you
HERETIC !!!!!!!
@Chaplain Elysius I know and look who's bitter
A HERETIC ASTARTES! THE ALPHA LEGION IS HERE AHHHHHHHH
Yep. Rogal Dorn is my Lord & Master and everyone loves Sanguinius (pauses for everyone to wipe away a manly tear), but Guilliman is what the Imperium needs right now - a statesman.
Finally, FINALLY someone recognizing how much of a good impact guilliman has on the imperium and giving him the respect he deserves!
People hate him unfairly because " duuuur, he's too normal, too boring, bring in the crazy ones like Russ or jagathai" They're not the ones the imperium needs at this moment.
He reformed maccrage, pushed back nurgle, reinforced the existing chapters, HE MADE IT SO TECHNOLOGY GETS IMPROVED AGAIN, building new ships destroying corruption in the imperium, deposing inquisitors, he's currently made a new organization who's goal is to make an accurate account of the history of the imperium hiding nothing, even the horus heresy
The best changes of all though are the changes in space marine recruitment, not only taking the strongest, but also those with different skillsets. He's also working to improve the lives of every imperial citizen! Clean water, access to food, breathable air, terraforming barren planets like Baal and adding water/oceans to improve lives, thats what its all about! His own words: " Why stops a man from turning to heresy and damnation if he's already in a living hell" life in the imperium is hell, turning to chaos...doesnt really change much...
The man did mistakes, everyone does, he openly admitted that making chapters was a bad idea, and he had to bend the rules and essentially make a new legion to push back chaos but he's learning and getting even better. He genuinely cares for the imperium while others were in it for glory and conquest (horus)
The model of maccrage is being used to make other systems better, less corruption, more education, happier citizens, safety for its inhabitants, nobody else could have done that.
>The man did mistakes, everyone does, he openly admitted that making chapters was a bad idea
It was a good idea... just not for the time it was put into action in. IIRC, original design of this project suggested split into chapters after the end of the Great Crusade for easier policing of the big Imperium and hastily-rehashed plan did not quite suit what was actually required at this moment, despite still looking like a good idea.
The Reasonable Primarch.
He is not my favourite Primarch but he was by far the one the Imperium needed, he imo was the best statesman and logistication while being a very good war leader and competent warrior.
After reading the dark imperium novels so far I've gained a huge amount of respect for him.
I like Roboute Guilliman. I’ve never understood the hate. But i think his horus heresy armour looks far cooler than the armour of fate.
Wholly Agreed.
But hey,that armour keeps him alive,that what it counts
Sure, but the armour of reason looks cooler though. In dark imperium: plague war, he is able to remove and function without it.
@@daylightwall5300 well but he's practically immortal with the armour of fate as it can heal his wounds.
The hate for Guilliman and the Ultramarines is somewhat understandable in regards to the damage Ward did with his lore additions. However, it's been well and truly changed now, and he is also one of the best written Primarchs in the HH series - it should be over and done with now.
I really am glad you made this video. As much flak as Guilliman gets, people fail to realize you need an Empire builder, Superb Strategist, and politician to get the Empire back on the right foot. Every Primarch is awesome, but what you need is someone that can plan far ahead... Even on a macro level. On many different fronts and facets of development.
I dont think people even appreciate the true concept and idea of the Primaris. Guilliman was so ingenious that he started a project over 10,000 years ago and once released is on par if not greater than anything chaos or xenos has to offer. Damn! Thats some forward thinking.
Imagine scientist & archeologists finding something over 1,000 yrs old and its on par if not better than what we have today. Let alone something 10,000 yrs old.
yes !
Good call.
@Alkis TX not entirely invalid when you consider that after 10,000 yrs of stasis and/or possible erosion the Primaris tech comes out intact. The Imperium tech has declined over 10,000 yrs... Even their ability to keep the golden throne functioning is struggling. But after 10,000 yrs how would you expect this Primaris tech not to have declined along with all the tech of the past. Yet they come out rolling and pushing back chaos like a beast to save the Empire. Wow!
His diplomatic ability was extremely vital. Imagine one of the more aggressive Prinarchs coming back and seeing the Imperiuk first? If they had suddenly just started killing off or banning the Echlesiary or the Inquisition there would be chaos and civil war again.
Exactly. The Ultramarine Primarch is often unfairly insulted because of Matt Ward's codex. In reality, along with Dorn he was the most human of the Primarchs. Sure he made some mistakes, especially in regards to the Imperium Secundus, but he always did his best and gave it his all and without him...the Imperium would have been a complete shit hole even worse than it is now.
I remember how his character was in Unremembered Empire. Actually pretty likable.
He’s an amazing character he has a pretty dry and sometimes sarcastic sense of humour he’s practical but far from heartless
No, he wasn't one of the most "human" primarchs, and neither was Dorn. Far from it. The most "human" would be hands down Vulkan. Followed by Sanguinius, who was another very down to Earth primarch.
@@johansmifthelry9307 Human in terms of caring for the humans. He may not be as outwardly compassionate as Vulcan but he is an intelligent ruler.
@@johansmifthelry9307 "Human" here being that he displays alot more emotions and complexity than most other Primarchs. Sanguinius was the 40k equivalent of Superman, so you can't compare him to other Primarchs, and Vulkan's primary characteristic is being a genuinely nice guy.
Compare this to Guilliman and Dorn, the former was an absolute ass no doubt, he was haughty and demanded nothing less than complete control and obedience, especially from an outsider's perspective. Consequently he came across as this prideful, stuck up king or noble that you really wanted to punch. Yet at the same time, he was deep down, a man who believed, more so than any other Primarch save Sanguinius that humanity could do great things if given the chance. He was, contrary to his cold, aloof and analytical attitude, a man who is quite emotional and prone to melancholy as seen in Betrayer, Unremembered Empire and Dark Imperium. The fact that he continues to fight for the Imperium despite all the shit that has happen to him post-resurrection shows the strength of is beliefs.
As for Dorn, for all his bluntness and inability to tell a lie, he was also another man that was, deep down, quite emotional. He feared his own divinity and hated the fact that the Valdor was using underhanded methods to try and win the war!spoilers. Come the internment of the Emperor on the Throne, he basically started breaking down mentally, which lead to the Iron Cage incident.
Not until he goes public with his Eldar Waifu.
I don't respect anyone who hides there Waifu away.
This! he needs to proudly display his Waifu, not be ashamed of people finding out
I'd tap that elvish pussy. Would be crazy not to.
@@dommydench4693 When it was finished, she can bring it right back to life.
@@Crack_the_Skye 10k years of no buttstuff does things to a man.. Even a Primarch.
@@Crack_the_Skye Slannesh can take that W..
I as a son of Ultramar and Roboute, completely agree and march for Macragge !
Honestly, BobbyG needs other living loyalist Primarchs back. Due to me being a Dark Angels player, I am biased towards Lion returning, but I strongly believe he would be a great contrast to Guilliman. I also strongly believe that Russ would also provide the sort of role as well. And as you stated in video, he is a great administrator, but he still needs help.
In order, the ones who should return are Dorn, to secure and fortify, Russ, to prosecute and kill, Vulkan, to bring a Human touch and a much needed spark of technological advancement, Corax, to hunt down the enemies in the dark places, Jaghtai, to follow the enemy and see it destroyed no matter how far it goes and last the Lion, for when all the enemies are gone, only beasts remain and those are the beast hunters favorite prey.
The more recent Dark Angels stories hint that Luthor is free and gathering a Fallen Legion somewhere and that maybe, just maybe, Lion is already awake and headed there. Also, Corax is still around in the Eye as a sort-of-daemon-Primarch (but still loyal) and recently had a tussle with Lorgar. So two of the loyalist Primarchs are semi-confirmed to be back, just not publicly.
I've been saying over and over that Lion is the best to bring back now because BobbyG can handle him the same way Karl Franz handled Valten. There's no warhammer, but maybe FINALLY get Cipher to hand over the sword, fix it, then hand it over to Lion and tell him to take the damn sword and go cross the Cicatrix and fix up that side of the Imperium, which should be the perfect job for him. Oh, and let him reform the full-strength Dark Angels Legion so we can play 30K-style games in the 40K setting.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Yes, The Imperium Nihilus is indeed little different from Caliban back when it was just a forest, but on a much larger scale.
That being said, the Lion has always been the Primarch with the most naked ambition of all and the least capable of effectively communicating it, while at the same time being the single greatest military strategist and tactician of all the Primarch. His interpersonal skills and ability to communicate sadly where completely non-existent.
The Lion could read a war on any scale better than any of his brothers, but he could never read any of those around him or understand how best to make the best use of their personalities or effectively motivate them.
With that out of the way however, there is a reason why the Legions where disbanded, and while Guilliman is contemplating addendums to his original numbers, the original reason for the split is still as valid today as it was back when he first made it.
This is something that will drive a big wedge between the two brothers and will be one more part of a conflict that could create a second Imperial Civil war at a time the Imperium can ill afford it.
@@Keemperor40K It's been canon for a while that:
1. The Dark Angels never actually broke up. The Inner Circle of the Fallen still functions exactly like the Legion's Inner Circle. They're still a Legion, just not publicly. That's why if Lion came back the Legion would simply reform around him, or rather just make it public that the Dark Angels never actually broke up in the first place.
2. Luthor is out there gathering a Legion-sized force of the Fallen. This is a hint from GW that they're contemplating a Legion-sized DA campaign similar to what they tried to do with Blood Angels before when all the major successor chapters were gathered at Baal.
BobbyG may think he had reasons for breaking up the Legions, but all three Primarchs already hinted or confirmed to be coming back would beg to differ. Lion still has his Legion anyway, Corax didn't like the idea back then but was forced to accept because he didn't have enough Marines to keep a Legion anyway, and Russ thinks the Codex is toilet paper.
In any case, 30K's success proves that the player base likes Legion play and it makes more money for GW if armies could grow larger.
Leave space Ceaser alone!
I can't wait for Robot Guilliman to finally release Codex Astartes 2
Hopefully, he will tell his sons that it is not a bible, but guidelines this time ! x)
@@Archon3960 They owe Uriel and Pasanius an apology....
And Codex Imperialis too. If the Codex Astartes turned good enough of a book to allow brain-dead idiots to survive for 10k years (because, honestly, relying *solely* on it is never a good idea. Even Bobby G himself said that and smart Ultras understood that too, but kept it quiet in order to avoid getting claimed as heretics), then Codex Imperialis might also be a bit of help.
As much as I am a First Legion fan, I'll admit that the lord of the 13th needed to come back first... now however he needs the Lion to take command of the armies while the lord of the 13th turns his mind to administration of the Imperium.
I for one couldn't agree more
James Harrington It would certainly allow them to play more to their strengths. Although given the mess that ensued when Guiliman and the Lion working together during Imperium Secundus it might take a while for things to get going.
Either him or Vulkan. Vulkan can help to repair the stagnated state of technology in the Imperium
@@TehSquare ideally I'd also have Dorn return as well to repair the defensive abilities of the Imperium as well.
But yea, I know what you mean... still I think it'd be for the best.
random guy If I were having Vulkan return it’d probably involve him waking up somewhere in Imperium Nihilus. Spear of the Emperor mentions that the Imperium is contemplating abandoning it, people are isolated, if anybody could help Dante rebuild the infrastructure and society there it’d be Vulkan
Clearly the Emperor has changed throughout his time on the throne. He used to call them his sons all the time, even when not talking to them. Now he's just like bitch you're my property, do your job. Harsh man. That must've beat Guilliman up a little bit.
Wholly agreed.
6:20 the word you were looking for is a theocracy
Guilliman got me to 180 my opinion of the Ultramarines.
Valarak: "I am Imperial Fists fan."
Also Valarak: "Roboute Guilliman deserves more RESPECT"
Me: "What is it, a crossover episode?"
If you read the books he’s definitely the right guy to come back first
Guilliman is Alpharius
No alphabetical is dead. For sure dead. Emperor confirmed one he’s a traitor and two he’s dead
@@torinjones3221 He's obviously Omegon. Just look at the symbol he wears!
@@Psytrome How many of those primarchs went to the same extent to hold the Imperium together post heresy as Guiliman? Or had the same experience running a huge star empire so successfully that even thousands of years after his death it's still so nice there that the citizens have a God like reverence for his chapter?
In real life terms, GW brought him back because Ultramarines sell like hot cakes and they knew he'd sell well because of it. In story terms, he was also the best bet, a strong leader with the ability to wage effective war but also practice stable diplomacy.
if the Khan came back he would have said "told you so" to the emperor stole a custode jetbike and gone on a joyride
And took it off some sweet jumps.
"Guilliman is amazing" That is the issue I believe... Guilliman & the ultra are just too perfect and that is why some people are making fun of them.
On one hand they're outright good guys, they try do the right thing. A story does need that, not everyone needs severe character flaws.
On the other hand they aren't perfect. Their religious following of the Codex Astartes is a flaw. It can cause them to be caught flat footed when a situation isn't fully covered by it. It has also caused them to severely punish at least two dedicated, heroic members of the chapter that we know of but its probably happened before. Even though their actions defeated a Tyranid hive fleet they were still sent on a death oath for not following the Codex.
They used to be equal to sll other first founding chapters until Matt Ward...
Its because its not their favorite. On your logic its still stupid. The galaxy is in turmoil and a horrible mess. The only one that could hold it down is him. Everything would go to shit without him.
Vanilla ice cream is my favorite flavor. But if the cashier at the ice parlor kept cramming it down my throat, I'd still be miffed.
My favorite description of Guilliman is in Vulcan Lives, when Curze says “that war accountant fights battles with an abacus”
Looks like our
Chapter Master have been "convinced" of the greatness of our great Regent Rouboutte, mind you his new intercesor squad, Redemptor and Repulsor has nothing to do with his newfound inspiration
me, a Tyranid watching this video and not caring because of what Guilimans's sons did to Behemoth
Behemoth bit off more than it could chew, not the fault of the boys in blue lol
Guilliman straight woke up from a 10,000 year nap to the worst mf Monday possible
Valarak: REPLACE ROBUTE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DORN OR LEMAN
also valarak: robute needs more respect
I'm old enough to have watched the Smurfs. I liked the smurfs. I liked Poppa Smurf, and I have always liked Roboute Guilliman. This isn't the 1st time Roboute Guilliman has held the Imperium together. Dude is awesome.
To me, hes THE Primach. Every Primach is a warrior, but Roboute is the only one among them who is a statesman. He knows not all problems can be solved at bolter point. He knew how to run an empire.
I agree Valrak. We don't need a Primarch who's really good at one specific thing, we need a Primarch who's a jack of all trades. We need someone who's good at hit and run tactics (White Scars), someone who's good at CQC (Space Wolves), we need someone who's good at stealth attacks(Raven Guard), someone who's good at defending (Imperial Fists), someone who's good helping innocent civilians (Salamanders), we need someone who's has a decent grasp on technology (Iron Hands), someone who's decent at keeping order (Dark Angels), and whatever fits the Blood Angels
And Guilliman is that Primarch.
The Imperium needs an Administrator. Someone who gets the Emperor's vision and still believes in it, and can execute it.
Hail Zeon!
People always hate THE MAIN MAN.
@TheGodEmperorofMankind Yeah. Why is he fixing your mistakes then?
@@dommydench4693 STOP
The emperor is never wrong!
-You're right tho-
-oh shit-
@@ls200076 *Inquisibanhammer out of existence*
@@dommydench4693 Because it's his job and he's the only Primarch that's returned.
@@EarFarce4 And don't forget the only one who took over after The Corpse King got owned by Horus and already has his very own autonomous Empire within The Imperium. He gets shit done. Only reason Mortarion hesitates and didn't kill him was because of Respect.
Robot Girlyman!! Yea ...I ll see myself out now...
I think you mean rowboat girlyman
Leeman Russ is in the Warp
Jaghatai Khan is also running around in Cammorah
Dorn is hiding (probably) as a centurion
Vulkan is waiting for his artifacts to be collected.
Corvus is trapped in the engine of woes
Only Guilliman stands as the last bulwark.
And wherever he is fighting, Cato Sicarius is in the frame as well.
This is the line which best sums up why Roboute Guilliman is such a cool guy:
"A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?"
I, Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman Victrix Guard, Guilliman student, possible next Chapter Master and possible heir to the title of Lord Regent (the last two are highly heretical speculations done by other people), agree with your assertions.
Anybody been reading the Dark Imperium series? He been giving himself so much shit it makes me feel kinda sorry for him. He carries the weight of mankind all by himself and is pissed of at Big E for all the lies to his brothers and him.
I wish Tarasha was still around to help her little boy...
Guilliman is a fantastic Primarch. Hes more human and cared about imperial citizens on top of being a balls to the wall warrior and incredible military leader. This dude went toe to toe with a Chaos powered Primarch (Magnus) while exhausted and wounded and held his own and even inflicted damage !
I troll him but I have a lot of respect for him. His lamentation of what has been done to the Imperium once he returned broke my heart.
I'm not a fan of the ultramarines but I never get the hate for them and Guilleman.
Charlie Hunt it’s mostly due to some of the older writing for them. One of the writers, Matt Ward, made them into a bit of a Mary Sue chapter. There was a lot of lame writing surrounding them talking about how they were the best space marines ever and the model space marine chapter. Them being “tha best” without being actually interesting made them a bit obnoxious and attracted a lot of hate. Nowadays their writing is better but not enough to drive the old hate off.
@@l0b5terlick55 It's also not fair to blame Matt Ward. Granted he was a really lousy writer, but the directive to "sell" Ultramarines came from GW and Ward simply did his (admittedly sucky) best. Where Matt Ward really fucked up was in elevating Guilliman by deprecating the other Primarchs when he wrote that other Legions' successor chapters exalted Guilliman over their own Primarchs. He was basically doing okay until he triggered fan rebellion with that particularly bad idea.
@@andrewsuryali8540 also while Matt Ward did have terrible fluff (like alot) he was actually fairly decent when it came to the crunch
@@jbardouc808 And his recent work (BFG: Armada 2) had pretty decent plot and campaigns. Even though Zeke never wins in it, even in the Chaos campaign. I guess he has bored the Ruinous Powers with his slow progression...
This was a great story dude! Before I actually got into the hobby I started listening to lore videos and I love everything I hear about guilliman. This was before I went into games workshop for the first time I was unaware that the ultramarines were plastered over every box cover and were the main gw faction in a sense when I listened to the lore I though man this guys a bad ass that’s the army I’m making. That was 1 year ago and I’m currently listening to ultra marines lore while painting guilliman abd he’s turning out great! I have just under 12 hours into both legs this is going to be a long haul
chaos knight valrak I need your salt like during the lord discordant still one of my favorite videos.
*OF COURSE !!!*
I think that now we have Gulliman as the statesman and Lion 'El Jonson as the hunter, we need Dorn as the defender. With all the incursions into the gakaxy, we really need someone to make each and every world a fortress and a part of the Imperial defence.
The line in dark imperium : plague wars confirms how guilliman feels about the emperor. He said "konor is my true father, not the emperor". He said Something like that.
You know who else needs more respect? Lorgar. Come on guys, for realsies
he should have died on istvaan
@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt Nah. Kor Phaeron and Erebus should've died on the operating tables. This way, Lorgar would've been much better.
For the current state of the Imperium he's what is needed. He is a great administrator and builder of empires (as proven by Ultramar). The next Primarch we need is either Dorn to fortify the Imperium or Vulkan to create more tech.
As a side note we could have Russ return, potentially due to the Start Collecting Space Wolves and Thousand Sons boxsets.
It was I who held the Imperium together, I made the Imperium survive.
Guilliman is, ultimately, a good choice for Imperial Regent. He has the savvy to get things going in a fashion closer to the Emperors dream. However, we need Russ, Corax, Dorn, and the Lion to consolidate the galaxy, with a side of the Kahn for some added smiting.
Imagine if the first primarch to be revived or to be brought back is someone whose mind is set only for revenge and not the restoration of the galaxy or the emperium then all is doomed.
Exactly !, the only more reasonable, ultramar is probably one of the best if not the best places to live.
Gulliman was my favorite sense the horus heresy and I was so happy when he came back so I can understand how envious others may be. Leman russ is my second favorite and I'm hoping he's next
I haven't watched the video yet but I already agree.
*The five hundred worlds hail you Lord commander*
It's funny to think that Guilliman managed what the emperor failed to do, defending the imperium during an galactic all out war against chaos.
But to be fair the emperor faced horus and all the traitor primarch while Guilliman only faced two for now but still !
I do love also the way he acted with great heroes of the imperium like dante or pedro cantor, recognizing their father in them, dorn in pedro and sanguinus in dante, that must have been why he choose dante as the " emperor of the dark imperium " like he wanted sanguinus to be the one leading the imperium secondus ( even if he really don't whant to talk about that ^^ ).
In a galaxy filled with hatred and madness being a sane administrator is basically a superpower.
It’s like that meme of a D&D party describing the amazing things they can do and one characters power is good like choices and the rest of the group says the good decision maker is the most important member of the team.
I'm still kinda new to the hobby but Guilliman seems pretty cool to me, I kinda want to play Ultramarines just so I can put Guilliman on the table with them
i actually went ugh when i saw the title
It's ironic that of all the Ultramarines, the one thing that wasn't flipped over into a comedic parody of itself was their Primarch.
As much as Ward's era of fluff fiascos and crunch insanity took a sledgehammer to 40k, the Primarchs actually survived mostly undamaged, and I'm especially glad these days.
I'm a Word Bearer, and I love Guilliman and his blue boys. Worthier opponents we never had!
Guilliman should make it a priority to find the other primarchs and get them to the fight.
my logical hat says someone is dangerously close to being booped on the snoot
Guilliman is also perfect to remove some of the grimdark off of the imperium of man. There are newcomers in the hobby who want themselves some good guys, and its hard to deny them a sale.
So yep, Roboute was the perfect steel, bends before breaking, but snaps back into shape.
The reason he doesn't get all the respect because everyone is saying his name wrong.
It's....
Jabooty Jigglyman
I think any of the primarchs could have won the battles he's won- that what they where made for, but guilliman is probably the only primarch that could lead and govern men like this.
Now all i can see is gulliman doing a rita repulsa impression. After ten thousand years i'm free. time to conquer chaos
Vulkan should come back. I know he's not as popular as the Lion, Wolf, or the others, but there is no warp shenanigans, no lost in the webway, no need to revive or ressurect him. He lives, just decided to take some time off. Also, he would work to heal the Imperium's heart and soul.
No matter what people say about Guilleman, fact of the matter is he's still a primarch. Also, the one with little to no flaws at all.
I think it's safe to say that with Roboute's awakening, humanity are saved because he is one of the few if not the only primarch who viewed humans with a human heart. Probably Sanguinius would too but he kinda drinks their blood so.. yeah.
I appreciate you acknowledging Guilliman's work during these troubling days. Meme away heretics. But just like the Emperor wanted, progress is coming.
Papa Smurf always did know best
Hail to emperor guilliman
You do not kneel mate 😂
Hey my army is the flesh tearers and we will not be replaced!
He's Emperor Jr. with the benefit of knowing how poor communication basically brought everything crashing down from watching Big E when the Heresy hit.
Is the Imperium doing way better under Gulliman or just a tad bit better?
Well, Roboute Guilliman is probably the best possible primarch to bring since he (as Valrak said before) is a statesman. He set up contengency plans before being injured. I really doubt Cawl would just hand over the Primaris Marines to any other primarch. All in all, Roboute is quite amazing as when the Emperor told him that the primarchs were nothing more than tools to him (a situation that would make Perturabo cringe like a bitch) he took it quite well.
Hes a statesmen which is what the imperium needs tbh
No one is gonna do the obvious? No one? Alright, here we go I guess.
After 10 000 years I'm free! It's time to conquer Earth!
Abaddon: Eliphas! Guilliman's escaped! Recruit a team of Champions with attitude!
No one:
The Emperor: I ain'tcha Dad!
Hail Ultramar, great video (not just for my personal bias). Reading my way from Dark Imp at the moment, trying to mix up my reading so I can suck down more black library without that being the only stuff I read is very challenging.
The Emperor said I'm not your Dad, please stop calling me father. Then Maury Povich opens the envelope and says: "The DNA test says you ARE the father!" Oh, snap!
Guilliman replies with "It's true, you aren't my father King Konor was my father"