Imperial Civil War - Who stands with Roboute Guilliman?
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- Carrying on with the theory craft of Imperium going to civil war, who actually would stand under the banners of Roboute Guilliman and march for the Imperial Truth?
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Plot Twist, the Alpha Legion will secretly side with Roboute...
Plot Twist we're all Alpha Legion.
Plot Twist, Roboute is Omegon! Ohhhhhh!!!!
Plot twist, Lorgar is running the Ecclesiarchy
Chapter Master Valrak Plot twist the Alpha Legion is Secretly Valrak
Plot Twist: all the dead primarchs got sent into the future and formed their own space marine chapter
Chaos Gods :" A new civil war without our involvement? what is this? is christmas finally come into The Warp?"
slaaneshmas certainly has come early
Yep true, and yes the Chaos gods will say wtf is going on in real space?
Just as planned...
Only thing that Tzeetch forgot about planing, and he's pissed about it
khorne: *confused screaming*
Space wolves will definitely side with guilliman as they would love to piss the inquisition off
Was thinking the same thing. The Inquisition have become too powerful and power hungry. They think they can do no wrong and that needlessly killing billions of civilians on the most weakest of arguments is justified.
Wolves mauled the Inquisition & Grey Knights after Armageddon so if that was just 1 chapter imagine the damage Smurfs could do alongside there Primarch.
I just look forward to unleashing the wolves on inquisition.
Guillman is a statesmen and isn't stupid enough to pointlessly make enemy's such as pissing off the wolfs, The great wolf Logan grimnar said that he didn't try to assert dominion over them as lord commander which is what they though might happen which they wouldn't have accepted, instead all gillimen did was send primaries reinforcements to help them in a difficult time
Wait until the Inquisition find out that the only reason Papa Smurf is alive and giving orders is because of a xenos tainted suit of armour...
reverse Friday the 13th anyone?? Hahaha imagine the Black Templar’s wiping out the inquisition
@@hondansx1000 I reckon the Minotaurs may have to... Cleansed if that happens
in one of the newer books didn't big daddy blue talk about how he took off the suit to prove he doesn't need it even though it hurts REALLY damn bad?
@@raisttlyn indeed! you are correct. The suit enabled his body to heal over time and now he is able to remove it freely
imo, the inquisition has less problems with using xenos tech than the mechanicus
I for see The Black Templar's having an internal Civil War with the Primaris Templars.
There is a quote in the custodes codex that shows why this would never happen especially from the Black Templar. Even the dark angels took them. The only chapter to say no was the flesh tearers as the chapter master put it they are dieing.
@@seriade yeah but the Custodes Codex came out before they started releasing alot of the novels set in the dark imperium an it sounds like alot of primaris marines don't like some of the Chapters they were ordered to join or have trouble adjusting to certain chapters ways. An also it's stated in the Dark Imperium books that alot of primaris marines follow the imperial truth. which leads me to wonder if some space marine chapters that worship the Emperor as a god would have troulbe from the Primaris.
@@shadowmaster-avrix9253 it should be noted that there are lot of primaris marines still in statis because of the chapter gene stock they came from namely traitor legions. Cawl wants these marines released into duty but Guliman doesn't want to.
@@shadowmaster-avrix9253 what loyal chapters worship the emperor as an actual god?
@@toomanyaccounts the Black Templars are one of the chapters that worship the Emperor as a god
Bjorn the Fell-hand: "I stand with Papa Smurf."
Inquisition:"And what about God-Emperor?!"
Bjorn:"I told you once."
Brand new Primaris Recruit: But what about the All Father?
Marsborn Primaris Veteran: There are no gods!
Guilliman needs to install a text-to-speech device on the Golden Throne, so the Emperor can deal with the Inquisition by himself (and Magnus' help, of course)
And many chapters would have a civil war with in them selves
OG Chad Marines vs Virgin Primaris Scrubs
When the Golden bannanas come rolling out in support of Space Caesar it would sway most of the sane rebels
Also the Custodes would be more than a match for the Inquisition because they have their own agents and as far as battle capability and intelligence goes the human Inquisitors don't stand a chance.
I still believe that if more loyalist Primarchs return the Inquisition will eventually move against them.
Too many powerful people trying to take all the power in the eyes of the Inquisition
@@trenchgaming2166 guardsman do not hear the words of an heretic follower of the ruinous powers. His path will lead to damnation.
Individual inquisitors, maybe, organisation as a whole, I'm not so sure.
@@malusignatius Depends mainly I think upon circumstance. Be it soon or late however I believe a confrontation is inevitable.
Remember the War of the false primarch, some said it was vulkan returned but Inquisition eliminated him because it was too dangerous for their power, vulkan can still comeback as he is a perpetual
I stand with gulliman, Ad Victorium
@@praisejesus6750 AND YOU ARE ZEALOTS!
I think most primaris chapters would side with roboute
THEY'D BETTER OR ELSE...
Maybe the emperor is just the man-emperor of mankind
Chapter Master Valrak I have a feeling almost all space marine chapters would as he is likely to do away with legion restrictions if he can. Right now I feel he’s pushing to creating strong leadership to make that a reality then eventually going on a new great crusade.
Chapter Master Valrak honesty not having his brothers around is daunting for him since even if he considered himself superior in some ways he realized they were better in others and having having their viewpoints would be valuable.
Lol I think primaris in new and old love him hahah
Which ever side The Lamenters land on is not the side you want to be on.
"Who's that hailing us, Lieutenant?"
"The Lamenters Sir, offering their assistance against the traitors"
"...Shit. Well, that's our side buggered, isn't it? I'm going to be in my room my last communique home before the inevitable warp engine explosion that no engineseer could ever possibly predicted happens."
As a proud son of Sanguinius in yellow, I can confirm this.
Does anybody have a spare firing pin for a bolter? Mine keeps getting worn down at the worst possible moment...
Also any spare fuel for a chainsword would be appreciated. Our shipment got rerouted through the Gap and is fifty years overdue.
*Taps comm pannel*. ...oh. great. this is malfunctioning too
Perhaps staying neutral is the best thing the Lamenters can do. Though their luck would have them be chased and purged because they took no side...
Poor lads
@@NueThunderKing you know that moment when the armory servitors finally extract you from your badly damaged battle plate so that it can be fixed, and suddenly "WARNING! WARNING! GELLER FIELD COMPROMISED!" comes over the vox?
That's what it's like to be a Lamenter, but Every... Emperor... Loving... Day
My god.... You're right! What we need is the Lamentors to be the heroes of the Imperium we don't deserve and have them side with Horus! It'll end the Long War!
Oddly enough. I think alpha legion with Omegon leading them would willingly at some discretion, join possibly guilliman. Mostly because of the desire to return the imperial truth.
I don't disagree, but why do you think they'd want to return to the Imperium?
Didn't Bobby G kill him during the Scouring?
There’s a lot of more on the primarchs of the 20th, all we know is one of them is dead
Some would stay traitor some would go back to the imperium dividing the chapter
@@LeohTheArcher not confirmed and the writer for that as that it's unconfirmed.
Honestly, I want a super-scifi technological Imperium and a Faith and Fury Imperium.
Let Roboute develop his faction into space weeaboos ala Tau, with their everything-hovers and their pew-pew lasers, while the other faction gets the Ecclesiarchy, witch burnings every Tuesday and skulls and robes and tabards.
I don't think that Roboute Guilliman would start or let a Civil war fought in his name at this time. He needs the Imperium has united to fight Choas. He be slow working to under mind the church and bring it down from the side
Or paint the Inquisition as agents of chaos. The cult of the emperor fuels cell chaos gods, and the Inquisition maintains The cult of the emperor.
Agreed, this will not happen.
The imperial truth is also known by the high lords, but they cannot get rid of it because diminishing human belief in the emperor will strengthen chaos. This is why anyone who speaks against the emperor is dealt with harshly, as humanity will self destruct if they stop thinking big E is a god. Power of the astronomicon will reduce, saints will go away, divine miracles will stop.
Just as the chaos powers are fueled by emotions, so are the emperors powers.
Gabriel Seth - "Hur dur, Gurliman Primurus Bad" Lord Commander Dante - "I'm about to end this man's whole chapter."
Another civil war damn.? Wheres vulkan where we need him.
He's busy cruising the galaxy with his brother Corax hugging everyone he finds. Except the Eldar, them gitz make 'im right angry like!
Guilliman's best option might be getting deeply in bed with the faith for the time being. Then getting his own chosen people promoted with the church and very slowly wind down the churches influence and change the message. Might take a thousand years or more but he is much more immortal than anyone in the imperial religion.
one of the recent books had G-man appointing a religious leader. he had a hard time finding someone who accepted that Gulliman didn't want to be worshipped and didn't think he is a god. religious guy was pretty charitable.
@Chaplain Elysius BAH you beat me to it
If Guilliman was smart he would allow the imperium to keep worshiping the Emperor as God while pulling the strings of the imperium from the shadows.
Roboute "the emperor is not a god"
NOBODY EXPECTS THE INQUISITION!!
The imperial fists are the interesting one. Without Dorn, I do see them siding with Rowboat Girlyman. But if Dorn came back.... could be interesting. Hear me out....
Sides with RG: Dorn is a loyal soldier to the idea of the emperor’s goal of unifying mankind. He also never sought any office and was literally just a soldier by his own admittance. He sees RG as the new Emperor by the will of their father, and accepts it, for it is the emperor’s word.
Sides against RG: Dorn comes back to see the imperium in shambles. The brother who wouldn’t get off his ass to help save terra because he was too busy building his OWN empire; the brother who on his own decided to split the legions into chapters (which Dorn originally angrily resisted and only relented to prevent a second civil war).... NOW HAS MADE HIS OWN ARMY OF MARINES (which was not the emperor’s idea and was made in secret by RG) AND SITS ON THE FUCKING THRONE!?!? Plus... Dorn knew the Emperor was no God, AND NOW ONE OF HIS OWN SUCCESSOR CHAPTERS (the Black Templars) HAS FALLEN TO THE SAME RELIGIOUS ZEAL THAT THE MOST HATED OF TRAITORS (the Word Bearers) ONCE BELIEVED?!?!
This is why I wish it was Dorn who had come back and been the one to become the Emperor’s replacement. It makes for a real internal struggle for Dorn who never sought office and knew he was just a soldier, no more, to have to have the responsibility of now being FUCKING EMPEROR. He would struggle, make good and bad decisions, and it would just be more impactful storytelling. Dorn could actually be the one to bring in Cawl to help find and resurrect RG to actually lead because, in Dorn’s eyes, RG was an empire builder and would acclimate to the role better. I just don’t give a shit about RG and his blue balls(fine blue boys). I’m not even a fanboy of the Fists or Dorn like you are. It just would have been far more interesting.
The Black Templars things would make Dorn stands WITH Guilliman.
Thats why dorn can't lead. He's just a soldier not a ruler. All hail the new blue empire.
@@grolash6219 Dorn wouldnt follow the BTs lead.
A lot of people fail to realize that Dorn already knows/knew of the Black Templars before his disappearance. They were already what they are now for better or worse. And while he may not have agreed with it, he certainly tolerated it. On top of that the imperium would not have survived this last 10 thousand years without the faith to hold it together. Also whether or not they worship him as a god is a matter of debate. There is contradictory lore that days they do and says they don't. They crusade eternally to prove loyalty to him. Not to worship.
The reasons you gave that would turn Dorn against Roboute are all reactionary. It would be solved with a 5 minute conversation
It would be hilarious if the only loyal ones for Robute would be the Primaris because everyone else thinks he wants to replace them
The Smurfs will always stand with their primarch
Custodian Guard would probably stand with Guilliman. So kind of hard for the "faith" the say that the Emperors personal bodyguards are wrong....
You are pretty mistaken on the matter of the Mechanicus, to them Guilliman believes in technological progress, which is the worst kind of techno-heresy. Most, and I do mean MOST of the Adeptups Mechanicus would be 100% Anti-Guilliman.
Don't forget religion. Imperial Truth yes, but the Emperor allowed our faith more than these Creed fanatics...
100 % true, the Emperor is the Omnissiah to the Mechanicus. He is the Machine-God. Girly-man is out of line here.
In Dark Imperium the split between Cawl's faction and wider Mars was briefly described. The only important line about how the Mechanicum were swayed is "examples were made". Mars would side with the Omnisiah and get absolutely wrecked by the Archmagos.
An Imperium civil war would most definitely lead to a simultaneous Mechanicus civil war.
Not all Mechanicus adepts are against Guilliman, but it would be horribly messy.
SoulSoundMuisc Heresy 2.0
The First Founding Loyalists would all stand with Guilliman, indeed.
We remember, crusaders all, the light of discovery, the thrill of exploration, our sacred charge: to bring science to the galaxy, to expand the justness of the realms of man.
Ten thousand years we have waited, seen our hopes and our realm collapse around us, and now the time has come.
Unlock the armouries, stoke the engines, fly the banners high.
Progress begins its long march once again.
I think you miss a major point about the faith.It's not just that it's embedded in the Imperium. It's also become necessary. Not only to motivate the people in fighting against xenos and chaos (all while shielding the commoner from knowing anything about what chaos is in the first place), but also to strenghten the Emperor and the Astronomicon. Without these quardillions of souls worshiping him as a God, the Emperor would be much weaker and unable to fight against the horrors of the warp IN the warp.
I think that's what Roboute figures out in the end of the Plague war. The cult and the faith are a necessary evil, but he still has to work in order to makes its grip less pregnant for a veriety of reasons (innovation, new military doctrines, etc.).
With the Galaxy split in half and Chaos literally popping up everywhere it's impossible for at least officials not to know something about Chaos. The majority of the leadership of the Imperium knows about Chaos and no amount of purging will stop that now. The big blueberry is smart and wouldn't try to ban all religion instantly he would over a matter of centuries gradually change the minds of the Imperium with mass education and censorship just like it was done during the Great Crusade.
Excellent explanation and theory!
You sir are wrong. Not all ultramarines chapters stand with guilliman. Read "Spears of the emperor". That chapter aint fund of gulliman, and they decend from the blueberries. Also in the book, the Mentors follow guilliman, the Spears dont🙂
There would be some dissenters but the majority of those chapters would follow their big blue father.
I'm imagining a bunch of flesh tearers marching around with tiki torches screaming "you will not replace us!"
The main problem with this is that the Flesh Tearers wouldn't go against the other Chapters of The Blood, so they would side with Guilliman anyway
We'd be too busy trying to police the whole half the galaxy that we were left with.
At first I thought space wolves would side with emperor is a God, due to them referring to him as the allfather. Then I remembered that Bjorn the felhanded was around during the great crusade and could offer support to gulliman, saying that the imperial truth was spread during the crusade.
Imagine the Inquisition cornering Guilliman, and the space marines from various chapters that are there in support of the Inquisition suddenly turn on and execute the inquisitors. The tallest of the Space Marines turns to Guilliman removes his helm and intones "For The Emperor; Its been a long time, brother" as Omegon helps Guilliman to his feet, shock and bewilderment on his face.
Or Guilliman and his Primaris heretics are executed for their crimes against the Imperium. Guilliman makes a last minute deal with a chaos god. Voila the 40k poster boys are now the villains and a different faction can get Christmas box sets for a change.
This will probably work as a non-canon/Canon Story
Gorillaman would be lucky if he cornered, because the Inqs would highly likely to exterminatus Macragge or even the whole Ultramar before they can corner him
Aside from chapters like The Black Templars, most Astartes don't revere the Emperor as a god, so I feel as if the majority of the Astartes would fall in line with Guilliman. The biggest split would be how much of the Imperial Guard would go under the command of him, as they are the bulk of the Imperium's forces.
But then wouldn't it be just a space marine coup? Which was exactly the point of the Horus Heresy?
@@ilyesistvan8331
Not really, as the horus heresy was millions of space marines vs millions of space marines. This would be a relatively small number of chapters, along with their serf forces going against the bulk of the Adeptus Astartes legions. Guilliman is cool with Cawl for the most part and the Mechanicum view the Emperor more as a prophet of the Omnissiah, so I'd also think that Mars and the majority of forgeworlds wouldn't turn against him either.
So Guilliman would have the full might of the Custodes, over 90% of the Astartes chapters, a good portion of the Mechanicum (if not basically the entirety), and even segments of the Inquisition, as it's almost certain that swathes of the Ordo Xenos would align with him due to the Deathwatch and the Ordo Malleus' Grey Knights would fall under his banner.
The wildcard is how many Imperial Commanders would turn their fleets against Guilliman, as well as how many of the Assassinorum factions, and the Adeptus Sororitas who are completely brainwashed by the Ecclesiarchy. Though with the later Saint Celestine is an ally of Roboute, so I'd imagine that would fracture the Sororitas.
So while this would be a sort of civil war, it would be far more in favor of Guilliman's forces.
My point was, that Horus' original point was that the primarchs (the super soldiers) should rule the Imperium, not the normal humans. However the Emperor emphasizes many times, that he wants the Imperium to belong to the commoners.
I stand with my Primarch : Roboute Guilliman ! We march for Macragge and for Terra ! We are The only way to save the Imperium ! For The Emperor !
FOR THE MAN EMPEROR! RAH!
I think it would be a given that the Maccabian Janissaries would stand with the faith, considering their home world is a shrine world.
This is why you need the rock-solid brother [Dorn], the humanitarian brother [Vulkan] and the brother that doesn't give a shit [Khan... or Russ] to come and back Guilliman up
But what about brother sleepy-locks Lion I hear you ask... well his return can only bring more trouble. In fact it may even be the thing that sets a civil war off
Great video, Pappa smurf is right! he is the emperors rasp!
Also a civil war would be a great opportunity to bring back the other Primarchs seeing how most of them said they'd return when needed most (or along those lines) which another civil war could definitely be.
What's your aversion to long form videos? I love your discussions and could easily listen to them for an hour or more. More detail and lore discussion = awesome. Don't fear the video length brother!
I've been wondering for a while if the Primaris Marines are something like the *Raptor project* that the Emperor was working on. He gave the knowledge to Corvus Corax so he could rebuild the Raven Guard during the Heresy. It was tampered with by the Alpha Legion and they mutated.
cawl was working for ten k years. there is a hint that the accursed founding was part of his efforts. basically he turned out space marines that are closer to the primarchs.
toomanyaccounts Primaris marines are 1/2 Primarch from what I’ve read, which is neat. The other half is a specific organ that the information for had been wiped by someone. Either a agent of chaos, Mechanicus techno-foolery, or GW making an attempt to balance them
@@tribunalcustodian3989 From what I've read and heard that seems right. The reason I think this is that the Emperor was always improving; Thunder warriors, Primarchs and their legions, the Custodes being the pinacle of course and an early but costly creation.
I wondered maybe could the Raptor project have produced something similar or perhaps better than a Primaris marine had old Emps finished his work. He was after all workingon it during the Heresy I think, and Primaris are meant to be more resistant to Chaos and such taints.
A bit long winded, my apologies.
Your thoughts folks?
Roboute: Brothers we have won!
All of the Imperium: ALL WORSHIP THE GOD GUILLIMAN
I think the Inquisition is a much more complicated question than many think. There are so many distinct warring factions and philosophies within that bloated organisation, they must already be at each others throats over this. Hell even the major Ordos might choose different sides. Ordo Xeno Vs Hereticus anyone?
The dark angel's and blood angel's side with gulliman all the way. I stand with gulliman and the imperial truth.
Dark Angels would tell papa smurf to f off. as they remember about the past and they have there own stuff to do. lol
Dark Angels would never stand with Guilliman. We've already seen them come close to a second civil war over the green Smurfs amongst them. There'd be primaris blood on every Dark Angel blade before they sided with Guilliman.
"There is another heir to the throne" - Lion El Johnson. Yep not happening.
Blood Angels would be too busy trying to police an entire half of the galaxy to get involved, but probably thankful that girlyman showed up with reinforcements after the swift beating they took on Baal.
@@adamjanczewski6652 Lion El Johnson would obviously side with Roboute Guilliman because there is no way he would be in favor of the Ecclesiarchy.
I could also see the inquisition splitting along their three main lines and trying to purge each other more openly in a civil war.
Gabriel Seth’s big issue with primaris marines was that they would wear blood angels and flesh tearers colours but without ever suffering the red thirst like the rest of the chapter they would never truly understand what it means to be a part of these chapters as the red thirst and the struggle to keep it in check basically defines who the blood angels and their successors are as astartes. He ended up calling them ultramarines with red paint.
The space wolves call the Emperor the Allfather. So I would say they see the Emperor as a God.
They would do what they've always done be massive hypocrites. They would slaughter all the religious rebels while at the same time praising the All Father.
The thing is... The Space Wolves have Bjorn.
I predict that precisely during the most heated phase of the conflict a loyalist primarch will reappear and help establish the "new order" once and for all™.
Meanwhile the Dark Angels hide and wait for the winning side. Once a Traitor always a Traitor.
Man, I’m on holiday in Cambodia and I had to still watch this
Thanks alot hoss. Fun video.
In one of the new books, "Blood of Iax" i think. One of the chaos marines takes a look at the primaris under the command of a regular marine and he laughs and only says" Thunder Warriors" before dead.
Good Video Man
The inquisition doesn't have an unified hierachy, so they would probably break up into pro and anti Roboute factions. The Amalathians, Recongregationists, the Seculos Attendous, and the Xeno Hybris would probably side with Guilliman - in other words, the ones who want to uphold the unity of the Imperium would side with Guilliman to end the conflict, as well as the people who liked his reforms all along.
For Imperial Guard, I think they would mostly break up based on geography, but some regiments like Tallarn are more difficult. The Tallarn are very strong in the Imperial cult of the Emperor, but they also were one of the early groups of Imperial Guard to join Guiliman's crusade and were an integral part of his campaign.
I imagine it would get very awkward for the red scorpions, deathwatch, and other inquisition allied chapters. He's going to have to break them over his knee, which would be an improvement for the imperium overall. A big one. Minotaurs probably would go to Bobby G because his minions (the high lords) are his and its kind of hinted their boss is a custodes. The Red hunters though would probably side with the inquisition.
With Xenos, His GF and her clique would obviously side with him. The others are kind of uncaring though, unless he could get hawk boy back because the necrons really liked him for some reason.
I wouldn’t say the leader of the High Lords is the Captain General, but none of them have the sheer brawn to challenge anything the Ol’ Cap’n says
@@tribunalcustodian3989 I meant the Minotaurs, what with the whole being strangely huge, having a guardian spear of some sort, all the sketchy stuff about the chapter, and only reporting to the high lords.
Nemesor Xanxas Ah forgive me
I really don't see The Red Hunters being much of a threat though.. Since their entire chapter fleet got the shit kicked out of them by the Space Wolves over Fenris for participating in the "Months of Shame" after the First War for Armageddon.
And then there was The Grey Knights... who may be great against daemons - but are much less effective against Astartes like the SW. The Grey Knights specifically suffered serious casualties during the conflict, with several of the Chapter's ships lost, as well as a Brotherhood-strength contingent of Astartes. Grimnar and Twenty of his terminators massacred every Grey knight and Storm Trooper on the bridge of the Corel's Hope in seconds to cut down Lord Inquisitor Ghesmei Kysnaros... Only leaving Hyperion (the Blade Breaker of the daemon primarch Angron) alive.. If they too side with the Inquisition (which I hope they don't - they do actually have the Imperial Truth in their founding lore), then they are probably done for and the Imperion loses a great asset with which to fight Chaos.
@@GarlicAvenger Well its kind of a given that chapters like that won't do well, but in an equation that is legion vs not legion the winner is obvious. The big issue though is with the number of enemies present they don't need to win, just distract.
I can just imagine the inquisition calling this, the great heresy 2, electric boogaloo with them seeing guilman as a new Horus.
Although the templars reject the codex and are very zealous I hope they would turn to the imperial truth as a result of the fists and other successors or that they realise the truth and I think that the templars losing faith would make an amazing story
I could see the adeptus mechanicus playing both sides as well to wind up with the winning one.
Their Dark Angel game is strong.
All he needs is the Custodes on his side, since they have chosen Custodians who relay messages directly from the Emperor.
Cawl siding with the Primarch would drive some if not all of the mechanicum to side with the faith in my opinion.
Robutt's got the support of the Salamanders from me. Too bad he never requisitions us to, oh you know, make full use of our capabilities as artisians to make weapons that would make the Mechanicum blush
Black templars would probably go with big blue because they're more for the emperors original dream more than him being a God. And big blue wants the original dream
Except they are die hard Emperor Loyalists and not Roboute's lap dogs.
If they write a series about this rumoured civil war, the writers better not miss the chance to throw a Monty Python reference in there.
The church of the Emperor "You cannot do this, for the emperor of man is a god"
Roboute Guilliman "He's not a god, he's a very naughty boy"
I think you missed a prime opportunity..... Just bust into Robutes office when he's doing some shit.
NO ONE EXPECTS THE INQUISITION!
@@goldfishmanful That works as well =D
The Fire Angel's are followers of the Faith and have been good friends with Sisters of battle
I really want the storyline to develop into a point where the Imperium is split into three, between the heretics who follow Abaddon, the heretics who follow Roboute, and the loyal sons of the Imperium who follow the guiding hand of the Inquisition.
Also, how cool would it be if this allowed GW to release an Inquisition range (as the Inquisition find the need to militarise in order to protect the true faith) and we can have a range of baroque looking religious fanatics who fight for the Imperium, perhaps an army focused around powerful characters and lots of chaff melee infantry?
I can't help wondering if Rowboat Girly-Man and Cawl have an Order 66 style thing to deal with the non-Primaris marines.
The Custodians might beat them to it, and they would have their own methods of fighting the Inquisition as well.
The Emperor himself created a nano-virus capable of wiping out the Space Marines. Horus prevented it being deployed in The Solar War.
@@kelman727 What book was that from?
Honestly it would be interesting if Guilliman's return is what breaks the Grey Knights away from just being the Inquisition's attack dogs.
The mentor legion in the spear of the emperor book are on Guillimans side, where as the Spears themselves are cautious of his existence
Tau rubbing hands with glee more worlds up for grabs and for the greater good.
Ultramar and Guilliman will crush the Ecclesiarchy. They don't stand a chance.
I dunno, the 500 worlds is one thing, but the galaxy and the religion of the Emperor is embedded in thousands of Imperial worlds.
@@ChapterMasterValrak The dark angels have a valid reason to purge the inquisition, and would most likely side with Ultramar. As would Dante, and a large number of the blood angels. However the red scorpions, black Templars and the Minotaurs would more than likely side with the Ecclesiarchy
@@ChapterMasterValrak Cmon, Guilliman is gonna reform the worlds under his command and out-maneuover anything Adeptus Ministorum can throw at him. Remember, the greater Imperium is badly divided by the Cicatrix Maledictum but Ultramar is more cohesive than ever after the end of Plague Wars.
You should make a video on which chapters are likely to fall to chaos, there are some suspicious things happening in fleshtearers and other BA successors.
You should add our martyred lady to you audio book do to list, it is heavily related to the church rebuild their own armies.
I can't wait until the Dark Angels and Blood Angels fight together against The Fallen in the future.
Dark Angels are heretics. The Fallen are the true loyalists.
Why would the blood angels fight against the fallen? Do they know about them?
@@ubiquitouspanda4466 In the Dark Angels codex it says that from tortured screams and rumors that a Legion size Fallen force is gathering in the Nihilius Sector..where the Blood Angels operate. Abbadon used some Fallen help on Vigilus.
I would love this all to come to the loyalists teaming up with chaos to lead a final assault on terra, this time with guilliman leading the charge
Imperium Civil War... was going on for 10000 years already. So I don't know what do you mean by this little bar fight and if it really matters:\
Not really, CSMs aren't Imperial anymore
@@Gozkiel newer ones aren't... at least not real separatists like Huron. But old ones still claim that they fight THAT war to this day and that they oppose the tyranny. Pity that authors had turned Chaos into a joke both in their power and in their believes:(
@@TheArklyte Oh yeah I remember now. Some that emerge from the warp were from the Horus Heresy era.
@@Gozkiel yeah, those still exist... around 2-3% of total number of CSMs and 100% of Thousand Sons... maybe. I don't know if Magnus recruits new psykers though. So while their Rubrics might be all still repaired originals, Librarians and other commanders might be modern ones.
I feel the inquisition will split in odd ways. The general lack of standard organization there leans toward individual choice. Some will decry him. The question is how many might side with him. Even bigger question is which might decide he is heretical but still the best choice.
Totally agreed
I think you're asking the wrong question. Will Roboute stand with the Emperor when He is revealed to be a Warp God?
SOMEONE FIND MY BOLTER, I NEED TO SILENCE THIS MAN!
But if the Emperor IS a god...how can this be Heresy? Do the Primarchs stand with humanity or their father? That my lad will be a true war that will sunder the Galaxy.
As Roboute was one of the few to directly talk to The Emperor recently his opinion isn't going to be changed much.
Perhaps, but the Emperor is known to have been.... economical...with the truth in the past. A personal deceit may be enough to turn Roboute. Conversely the Emperor's Glamour may be enough to make a believer of Guilliman. I'm excited by the personal conflict within the leader of the Ultrasmurfs
Robot girlyman: "The emperor is no god."
Death korps: ". . ."
Random shovel flys out and spears guileman to the throne.
I am just thinking about a tiny trench shovel hitting Guilliman between his eyes
He's gonna be pissed
Regarding the dark imperium, they could side with Robute once he arrives with the primaris reinforcements and the Custodes tell them it's a gift from big E himself. On the other hand, Guilliman is one of the holy sons of the god emperor and he's trying so hard, god emperor bless his soul
I like how is the novel Spear of the Emperor, they call the normal marines "the first born". Cool title for original defenders of mankind.
The Black Templars part is a bit divided, our beloved chaplain friend of the Celestial Lions once said that the Black Templars DO NOT worship the Emperor, but I forgot if the codex says that they worship the Emperor
Not to many Flesh tearers left. Seth better choose wisely.
what I"D love to see is the last {or so we're led to believe} old one make itself known in the northern Imperium, Dante partners with it, breaks from the south Imperium after saying the old one came back to help bring big E back to life and girlyman is taking that very very poorly. Darn you Valrak! so many possibilities from thinking about this.
I think it is also important on what side the Blood Angels are on, since Gulliman basically appointed Lord Commander Dante Regent of the Northern Part of the Imperium, the Imperium Nihilus. Also all of this is (hopefully) highly unlikely since starting a civil war with the Faith now would be the Single most dumbest Idea that someone could possibly come up with, since an Imperium pressured by Enemys more than ever is unlikely to survive after fighting each other as well. Seriosly if Gulliman actually does something like that I shall lose all of my already tested Respect for him and his sons and shall go and hope that either Sanguinius or the Emperor show up and lead the Imperium wiser.
This would be a great reason for GW to bring back some primarchs to have them really feed into a civil war. Who knows some chapters may branch out on thier own.
"Roboute has his own Imperium" - No Way, I have never heard of such a thing ever happening before.
Roboute needs to take stock of the situation. He must notice just how usefull and powerful the imperial cult is. Before he does anything else he needs to "enlighten" as many of the space marine chapters as possible. Send agents to planets to spread the Imperial Truth, while slowly and quietly eliminating "dangerous" people within the Imperium. If he tries to force it things will go very very badly
After listening to the audio book, Luther: first of the Fallen, would actually Allie or ask to be allies with Guilliman also convince the Chaos Fallen to aid Guilliman as repentance and hopfully gain the Lion’s forgiveness or the Emperors
And so the emperor watched from the golden throne and witnessed all he had built brought down by some blue boi saying "god bad"
Could someone help me with something... Does anyone know all the books which include Roboute Guilliman, including and following his resurrection? Thank you!
I can see the Iron Hands, Mechanicus and most of the other first founding chapters siding with Guilliman. The ones to watch are the Raven Guard and Space Wolves, if they side with Guilliman, I can see most of the others following suit. There will be exceptions, most obviously the Ecclesiarchy, Adeptus Sororitas and probably parts of the Inquisition.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the previous regime of High Lords of Terra who were mostly replaced by new officials appointed by Roboute. These jaded people who were removed from power still hold a lot of authority and influence throughout the Imperium.
The Living Saints as their most likely directly controlled by The Emperor would follow Guilliman or they would completely abstain from the Civil War and remain on the outskirts still attacking the enemies of the Imperium like the Orcs And Chaos.
I would disagree on a few points, namely the High Lords, grey knights, and mechanicum
I think that despite his reforms, the High Lords would take any chance to stab him in the back and reclaim their power
The grey knights would stand with the Inquisition in order to best fight the threat of choas( possibly believing that their best chance is with them)
and I think that there would be a split over the mechanicum with the majority siding against him. This is due to the current power struggle between leaders of the mechanicum and Cawl who wants to become the new supreme leader( or whatever the title is) so that he can continue his push for innovation( which keep in mind is still seen as heresy by many within the mechanicum)
The Inquisition only have the power other organisations (Guard/Navy/Marines) gift them, by themselves they are relatively weak. If people don't co-coperate with them, they are stuffed.
To be quite honest, if any of Guilliman's loyal brothers were to return, they'd probably side with him. It's gonna be quite the mess if it comes to civil war.
The Lion will be brought back and tell Reboute where to stick it, and Space Wolves will stand against him as well. I’m wondering what Dante will make of it all though 🤔
I’ve heard somewhere that the dark Angels have a problem with the Primaris marines.
I know this is a weird twist and I kind of feel like a broken record saying this but here I go.
Because he doesn’t worship chaos in any form what so ever could Fabius Bile be a reluctant ally to Robot Girlyman ( yes as you can tell I’m a traitor, but a traitor that means well)
roboute: "you newbs"
me: *dies of laughter*
Mechanicus would be very much split in two. The only reason most of them even aid the Imperium is because the Emperor is to them the incarnation of the Omnissiah, and to dispel that illusion would create a huge rift in their ranks. It's even been seen before, one of the 40k novels covers a Titan vs Titan conflict on a Forge World, and during the conflict the knowledge of the seperation between Omnissiah and Emperor is spread and causes a civil war that's only put paid to when the forces of Chaos, who the Titan Legions (one loyal, one bound to the rebellious world in question) are fighting, force the two infighting Titan Legions to band together and put the schism behind them.
The inquisition have so many splinter factions within it's own office; so much so that I would argue that the inquisition would have it's OWN civil war.
THOUGH they're all childs play when everyone is quite terribly reminded that big papa smurf has not only BOTH the Grey Knights and Custodes (game winner right there) but most likely Mars as well.
On the subject of other Space Marine chapters that follow the Imperial Creed, there is the Sons of the Phoenix. That's an interesting one because they are one of the Ultima Founding [all] Primaris chapters, yet follow the tenants of the Imperial Creed fervently and ritualistically, so if it came to civil war, where would their loyalties lie?