I would be SO down for a series of dark fairy tales souls likes that all tie in, what a fantastic idea if so. If all this was just dlc i would be Omega sad
He could also be the Mad Hatter who was sentenced to death by the Queen of Hearts for “murdering time”. Which can be an euphemism of reaching immortality by stopping time.
I wouldn't mind the full deconstruction of him being a creep and forever haunting families alike for protection and having their first child life forever enslaved by him...to be, their plaything!? Disney only SKIMMED the dark parts of the Brother's Grimms stories and the like!
4:51 imagine an entire franchise in this universe, where all the protagonists simply don't talk, and once they all meet each other they either just wave at each other or give slight nods to communicate Would be hilarious and amazing
Man it's criminal that this doesn't have more views. This is the kind of lore dive I want. It's kinda nuts they went with an almost League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ending with PP. I'm gonna run laps once I see the Oz universe completely reconstructed. I hope they get to develop the story further as it has some insane potential. I grew up watching these in film during my childhood and it's just crazy to me that these characters work in these kinds of reimaginings.
Thanks! Maybe TH-cam will give it a little push eventually but either way, it was just nice get my thoughts out. Yes, it's exciting! I read the books after watching the movie when I was a kid and was so surprised how much more there was to it. I've always wanted a good Wizard of Oz game and looks like we might finally get one. Can't wait to see where they go with it
Something tells me Lies Of P is just part of something bigger, exept Wizard Of Oz. Maybe they'll include Alice In Wonderland or Heidi, or maybe even Peter Pan. And we may find the other pieces of the god (The one that arm belongs to)
The DLC will probably be about Pinoccio adventures on stupid boys island, where they got turned into donkeys. There's official art of a half destroyed ship, which points in that direction
high quality and well though out video. i finally bought lies of p and now im at puppet king. its very intense but fun. although the combat is basically sekiro but with stagger, they put up a chellenge.
A mix of wolf among us like fables with souls combat, I’m sorry, but lies of p is better than all souls games imo I’ve had the most fun on ds1, BB and LoP
Great insights, thx. Yes, if they go with the Wizard of Oz they have a lot of material to cover indeed. I agree that playing as dorothy would be so bad-ass. Red shoes are used in the movie but my bet is that they needed the color red to go matching the 'rubedo' phase required to create the philosopher's stone. If you have more thoughts on the colors used in the game and their relation to the alchemical principles I would watch another of your videos.
That's a good point and funny that you say that, I had originally gone on a tangent about the colors in this video but cut it because it didn't really fit/seemed like it should be its own video. I had chalked the shoes up to those being her most recognizable but made the connection with her outfit seeming to be red too. My point was going was going to be since rubedo is last, Dorothy's game might not be next, but what the next few games are working towards(also four phases, four members in Dorothy's crew). Similar to how the MCU teased out the Avengers a few movies before delivering. I made a few other color connections with alchemy as well, so since there's at least two people interested, I'll put it together in a video soon I think
If the golden ergo is the third yellow stage it means two more stories were already harvested before the facts happening in Krat. When thinking of nigredo Dark Souls comes to mind but it's - clearly - not a timeless child story. Thoughts on that, clues?
I hadn't actually factored the golden ergo into it, that's an interesting idea I hadn't thought of. There could be similar cycle going on just for the ergo. Or maybe the golden ergo was birthed of someone who was at the phase when they died? Philosopher's stone created when someone who has completed Rubedo dies maybe? I was kind of weaving together the physical Magnum Opus and the Jungian stages of character transformation together. I was also tying each phase to the main four in Wizard of Oz. I was looking at it like all of Lies of P was nigredo with blue replacing black as it apparently does in the east according the Jung. Jung associates Confession with nigredo which is like right on the money for this game. There's a theme of truth associated with it but also decomposition which fits as well. P would be this phase and take the role of the Tin Man. Albedo: Illumination(character transformation), Cowardly Lion. There's a theme of deflating one's ego and facing the dark parts of yourself without being afraid. Part of the other reason I went Beast=Cowardly Lion. This fits him so well and I could see a separate game called like Pride of B with a white theme being made. Citrinitas: Education (character transformation), Scarecrow. Yellow/Gold. "Thoughts of A"? Rubedo: Transformation (character transformation), Dorothy. Red. "Rebirth of D"? Another color related thing being the Emerald Tablet is probably in the Emerald City
I don't know enough to comment on that and also I remember only vaguely how the golden ergo came to be in krat, but I'll revisit the lore of the game and do some reading on these topics for sure.
I would love for them to use the dlc as a bridge from lies to oz, maybe find a red shoe on the yellow brick road as P, then end with P returning the shoe into the sequel. Maybe the golden stargazer will be a way of entering different worlds such as emerald city or krat etc
OK, here is something that bothers me. On my first playthrough, when I had no clue about connections with Oz, I rescued a Test Subject 826 NPC just after Laxasia The Complete bossfight. He seemed a bit weird but one thing in particular - his nose. It could be a coincidence but man, I don't know now. Why they specifically chose the nose to look so distinct in color compared to the rest of his face. And now take a look at the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz (1939) movie.
I kinda want a Faust game set in this universe now (or atleast Dr.Faust as a chracter) considering a scientist bored with life and obsessed with knowledge aided by a demon could fit that organisation really well. Imagine Paracelsus is talking about finding more ways to archive immortality only for faust to whine "I allready archived immortality with that demon. So dont bother me with what i allready know. I only have one goal. That I understand what holds the core of the world together!"
Paracelsus is the one who created the philosophers stone in Alchemy. The krat experiment was the alchemist’s trying to purify all the ego(souls of the people who died of petrifaction disease) into a single location which you guessed it is Carlo’s heart thus making a pure refined object. This is renforced by Carlo giving his heart to Sophia’s heart because Carlo becomes human and makes the CHOICE to save Sophia from her eternal suffering. The p organ evolves the more ergo is put into it thus making it more powerful and pure. Notice how he called Carlo a “brother” this might suggest that Carlo is a now a pure being due to the ridiculous amout of souls in your p organ powering a perfect body. This sounds like the ramblings of a madman but it makes a lot of sense if you research alchemy a little bit.
PP could also be the Mad Hatter as he was sentenced to death by the Queen of Hearts for “murdering time”. Which can be an euphemism of reaching immortality by stopping time.
Paracelsus is actually a Doctor/Medic of the 15th century and one of the people who started modernising medizin. This is an interesting idea. A healer obsessed with finding wys to make people immortal.
there definitely is going to be (i mean the dev confirmed it) but also theres a strange stargazer right before the malum district that is never able to be interacted with in the game.
@@theeliteterrarian1888 right, those yellow stargazers and the comments that gemini makes about the rabbit hole we are not ready to go down through yet. Honestly Im getting hyped for the sequel or maybe they just were DLC baiting instead of sequel baiting with that post credit cutscene.
Definitely could be. That's a theory I've seen and it would allow for sequels to be called "Lies of P" as well, even if we get a different playable character, so long as we're chasing after Paracelsus. Part of that also being that no one ever calls our character "Pinocchio" and we just assumed. He is called 'Pino' in the game files though. It's a good theory but I think we'll have to wait and see
I would be SO down for a series of dark fairy tales souls likes that all tie in, what a fantastic idea if so. If all this was just dlc i would be Omega sad
Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel, the possibilities are endless.
Jack and the Beanstalk, where the Beanstalk is like the Dark Tower...
Snow white, Rumpelstiltskin, Cinderella, Rapunzel, jack and the beanstalk, wonderland.
@@trace1506dont forget peter pan imagine fighting zombie(or something more unique) pirates😅
That would be so god dam cool
I think P.P. is actually Peter Pan, who also achieved [eternal life], being forever youthful.
He could also be the Mad Hatter who was sentenced to death by the Queen of Hearts for “murdering time”. Which can be an euphemism of reaching immortality by stopping time.
I wouldn't mind the full deconstruction of him being a creep and forever haunting families alike for protection and having their first child life forever enslaved by him...to be, their plaything!? Disney only SKIMMED the dark parts of the Brother's Grimms stories and the like!
Dude I want a Peter pan souls like, F dorothy. I don't want to play as her.
4:51 imagine an entire franchise in this universe, where all the protagonists simply don't talk, and once they all meet each other they either just wave at each other or give slight nods to communicate
Would be hilarious and amazing
I'm just picturing the Wizard of Oz now where instead of singing, the main four just skip down the yellow brick road in awkward silence the whole trip
@rickytebbe hell yeah
depressed children cinematic universe
Man it's criminal that this doesn't have more views. This is the kind of lore dive I want.
It's kinda nuts they went with an almost League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ending with PP. I'm gonna run laps once I see the Oz universe completely reconstructed. I hope they get to develop the story further as it has some insane potential. I grew up watching these in film during my childhood and it's just crazy to me that these characters work in these kinds of reimaginings.
Thanks! Maybe TH-cam will give it a little push eventually but either way, it was just nice get my thoughts out.
Yes, it's exciting! I read the books after watching the movie when I was a kid and was so surprised how much more there was to it. I've always wanted a good Wizard of Oz game and looks like we might finally get one. Can't wait to see where they go with it
HOLY SHIT PETER PAN MAKES SO MUCH SENSE CONSIDERING YOU NEVER GROW UP IN NEVERLAND
I'd honestly be shocked if he doesn't at least come up at some point. He fits perfectly
The end of the path of stars will lead to great eternal life. That could possibly be talking about Neverland
Dark fairy tale souls like sounds like a winning formula to me.
Something tells me Lies Of P is just part of something bigger, exept Wizard Of Oz. Maybe they'll include Alice In Wonderland or Heidi, or maybe even Peter Pan. And we may find the other pieces of the god (The one that arm belongs to)
Fairy tales are endless if search em up bro
The DLC will probably be about Pinoccio adventures on stupid boys island, where they got turned into donkeys. There's official art of a half destroyed ship, which points in that direction
It’s going to be so cool
high quality and well though out video.
i finally bought lies of p and now im at puppet king. its very intense but fun. although the combat is basically sekiro but with stagger, they put up a chellenge.
Thanks!
You're about halfway then. You've got some tough challenges ahead. Good luck!
A mix of wolf among us like fables with souls combat, I’m sorry, but lies of p is better than all souls games imo I’ve had the most fun on ds1, BB and LoP
Great insights, thx. Yes, if they go with the Wizard of Oz they have a lot of material to cover indeed. I agree that playing as dorothy would be so bad-ass. Red shoes are used in the movie but my bet is that they needed the color red to go matching the 'rubedo' phase required to create the philosopher's stone. If you have more thoughts on the colors used in the game and their relation to the alchemical principles I would watch another of your videos.
That's a good point and funny that you say that, I had originally gone on a tangent about the colors in this video but cut it because it didn't really fit/seemed like it should be its own video.
I had chalked the shoes up to those being her most recognizable but made the connection with her outfit seeming to be red too. My point was going was going to be since rubedo is last, Dorothy's game might not be next, but what the next few games are working towards(also four phases, four members in Dorothy's crew). Similar to how the MCU teased out the Avengers a few movies before delivering.
I made a few other color connections with alchemy as well, so since there's at least two people interested, I'll put it together in a video soon I think
If the golden ergo is the third yellow stage it means two more stories were already harvested before the facts happening in Krat. When thinking of nigredo Dark Souls comes to mind but it's - clearly - not a timeless child story. Thoughts on that, clues?
I hadn't actually factored the golden ergo into it, that's an interesting idea I hadn't thought of. There could be similar cycle going on just for the ergo. Or maybe the golden ergo was birthed of someone who was at the phase when they died? Philosopher's stone created when someone who has completed Rubedo dies maybe?
I was kind of weaving together the physical Magnum Opus and the Jungian stages of character transformation together. I was also tying each phase to the main four in Wizard of Oz.
I was looking at it like all of Lies of P was nigredo with blue replacing black as it apparently does in the east according the Jung. Jung associates Confession with nigredo which is like right on the money for this game. There's a theme of truth associated with it but also decomposition which fits as well. P would be this phase and take the role of the Tin Man.
Albedo: Illumination(character transformation), Cowardly Lion. There's a theme of deflating one's ego and facing the dark parts of yourself without being afraid. Part of the other reason I went Beast=Cowardly Lion. This fits him so well and I could see a separate game called like Pride of B with a white theme being made.
Citrinitas: Education (character transformation), Scarecrow. Yellow/Gold. "Thoughts of A"?
Rubedo: Transformation (character transformation), Dorothy. Red. "Rebirth of D"?
Another color related thing being the Emerald Tablet is probably in the Emerald City
I don't know enough to comment on that and also I remember only vaguely how the golden ergo came to be in krat, but I'll revisit the lore of the game and do some reading on these topics for sure.
I would love for them to use the dlc as a bridge from lies to oz, maybe find a red shoe on the yellow brick road as P, then end with P returning the shoe into the sequel. Maybe the golden stargazer will be a way of entering different worlds such as emerald city or krat etc
OK, here is something that bothers me. On my first playthrough, when I had no clue about connections with Oz, I rescued a Test Subject 826 NPC just after Laxasia The Complete bossfight. He seemed a bit weird but one thing in particular - his nose. It could be a coincidence but man, I don't know now. Why they specifically chose the nose to look so distinct in color compared to the rest of his face. And now take a look at the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz (1939) movie.
That's a really good catch! You might be on to something there
@@rickytebbe OK, so it appears that all alchemists have their noses replaced so it's nothing special about Test Subject 826.
I kinda want a Faust game set in this universe now (or atleast Dr.Faust as a chracter) considering a scientist bored with life and obsessed with knowledge aided by a demon could fit that organisation really well. Imagine Paracelsus is talking about finding more ways to archive immortality only for faust to whine "I allready archived immortality with that demon. So dont bother me with what i allready know. I only have one goal. That I understand what holds the core of the world together!"
Paracelsus is the one who created the philosophers stone in Alchemy. The krat experiment was the alchemist’s trying to purify all the ego(souls of the people who died of petrifaction disease) into a single location which you guessed it is Carlo’s heart thus making a pure refined object. This is renforced by Carlo giving his heart to Sophia’s heart because Carlo becomes human and makes the CHOICE to save Sophia from her eternal suffering. The p organ evolves the more ergo is put into it thus making it more powerful and pure. Notice how he called Carlo a “brother” this might suggest that Carlo is a now a pure being due to the ridiculous amout of souls in your p organ powering a perfect body.
This sounds like the ramblings of a madman but it makes a lot of sense if you research alchemy a little bit.
I honestly am so excited for the dlc this game is so good.
PP could also be the Mad Hatter as he was sentenced to death by the Queen of Hearts for “murdering time”. Which can be an euphemism of reaching immortality by stopping time.
Paracelsus is actually a Doctor/Medic of the 15th century and one of the people who started modernising medizin. This is an interesting idea. A healer obsessed with finding wys to make people immortal.
Also, Ergo might not be the only type of energy that exists in the game's world
Damn, just imagine Alice in Wonderland in this universe
personally I dont want any DLC, game is good as is. I prefer to wait for a sequel.
Honestly yeah, if skipping the DLC meant getting a sequel sooner, I'd much rather that.
there definitely is going to be (i mean the dev confirmed it) but also theres a strange stargazer right before the malum district that is never able to be interacted with in the game.
@@theeliteterrarian1888 right, those yellow stargazers and the comments that gemini makes about the rabbit hole we are not ready to go down through yet. Honestly Im getting hyped for the sequel or maybe they just were DLC baiting instead of sequel baiting with that post credit cutscene.
I'm hoping the DLC just continues the current story of Pinocchio, and that they save Wizard of Oz for it's own spin off game.
So is the title card about Giangio?
Lies of Paracelsus
Definitely could be. That's a theory I've seen and it would allow for sequels to be called "Lies of P" as well, even if we get a different playable character, so long as we're chasing after Paracelsus.
Part of that also being that no one ever calls our character "Pinocchio" and we just assumed. He is called 'Pino' in the game files though.
It's a good theory but I think we'll have to wait and see
@@rickytebbe I'll be right here waiting. Game is too good.
@@rickytebbeTHATS SUPER INTERESTING
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop I thought so too!
I like your theories
Love this game so much. Controversial….but i like it more than bloodborne 🤫
I wonder if Paracelsus is the TRUE Liar (Lies of P) refers to. I mean his name is P.P.
Definitely could be! Maybe we'll see
Lies of PP
And that's _not_ a meme
If immortals are coming then the painting of p is painted by DG Dorian Gray!!!
NEXT GAME WIZRD OF OZ ,
audio is so quiet
Straight occult shit lol. Badass game I just beat. Wasn't easy, but I loved this game to my suprise.