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Rod, I love your insightful analysis on DNA. However at 8:30 into this podcast you stated essentially that all of the Nephite descendants were completely wiped out and exterminated. That could not possibly be true. 2 Nephi 3:3 Lehi speaking to his son Joseph: "Thy seed shall not utterly be destroyed." Helaman chapter 4 Nephite dissenters and the Lamanites join forces Throughout the Book of Mormon narrative Nephite dissenters were constantly going over to the Lamanite side. Therefore you cannot rightfully state that ALL of the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph, ie, the good sons "were all exterminated in 400 AD". ALSO, after the 200 years of peace following the Lord's Ministry among the people, the Nephites and Lamanites were divided according to their sociology and religion, NOT their race or ancestry. See 4th Nephi vs: 17: "neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ" 20: "a small part of the people who had revolted from the church and taken upon them the name of Lamanites; therefore there began to be Lamanites again in the land." Verses 35-38 "there arose a people who were CALLED the Nephites" "they who rejected the gospel were CALLED Lamanites, and Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites". Therefore, I believe that the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph would have been essentially equally divided among those who CALLED themselves Nephites and those who CALLED themselves Lamanites.

What bothers me the most with the people who believe in the Mexico/Central America theory compared to the central area of North America is Jesus Christ told Joseph Smith where to send the Elders to. These Elders knew which Native tribes to go to. Jesus knows. No, sence in fabricating other ideas when Jesus told Joseph Smith which Induan tribes to go to. End of story.

You need to reach out to David Midegah and get on the same page. The objibwa are opening up their past and you need to reconcile with them.

When a Native American or Latin American or European or African or any person in the world 🌍 understands that, every thing else will fall into place. IMHO

I'm starting to wonder 🤔. Is it worth it? Trying to prove who is right? Won't we all know in the end. Yes this is all interesting but last night I heard name calling. Is this the beginning of another division of Gods children? I don't understand why this is going on. I do understand that the only thing that matters is to know what Jesus has done for me.

*God loved the (Nephites & Lamanites) so much he had Joe translate a pseudo language on an unknown yellow metal half the weight of Tumbaga using a brown stone in a hat, so that their ancestors who no longer have their DNA, can know that (Adam & Eve) were created in Jackson County, 6K years ago.*

This was great. Thanks so much. I have one of the books you showed and will get the others. I find this so fascinating!

Omni 1:17 is strong evidence for multiple populations. The descendants of Mulek "their language had become corrupted". That doesn't happen in isolation. The opposite in fact. Indigenous tribes in Africa/Asia/the Amazon have preserved their languages by isolating from the outside world.

I think the problem is that the native know they are these ancient peoples but they don't feel as though they need to prove it. I want evidence because of all the people who have native blood need to know it but I also want to know tribes but not sure how to do that except through verbal accounts.

Rod, how can I get ahold of you?

The names of Lehi’s family had strong Phoenician roots.

Part of Lehi's group would have been diluted out of existence on Laman and Lemuel's side quite quickly as they were mixing with natives right from the get go. This also explains why the Lamanites greatly out numbered the Nephites from day one through rampant polygamy as well as Lamanite converts. It also explains why and how Lamanite children naturally developed dark skin. Dark skin IS the evidence some of Lehi's party was mixing with another culture(s)

According to this migration of Isrealites to America theory, why is it that LDS doesn't keep the 7th day Sabbath but does keep the SUNday of the pope of Rome?

Personally, I wouldn't have idol statues in my home. Dangerous.

Careful critiquing the molecular dna clock. Low information mitochondrial dna (mtDNA), which is where your own X2 "evidence" comes from always changes slowly. Without it you have nothing because all the other ancient dna testing that has developed, since the 1998 mtDNA haplogroup X discovery, shows zero sign of a Semitic people in the Americas. You smack talk that molecular clock modeling too much and your X group should have mutated away by now. It's molecular longevity is the only thing you have a literal prayer for to keep you fighting in a game you've already lost.

/facepalm Yeah... And since 1998 they've moved beyond the low information of mitochondria DNA and sequenced and tested many ancient people's of the Americas without finding a hint of anything relating to a middle-eastern people being there.

I think it’s interesting people claim to believe the Book of Mormon but then are uniformitarians and not catastrophists. If ya believe in the Book of Mormon then you have to have an open mind and literally believe that it’s possible that 2000 years ago lake bonneville still existed or the massive lake in Nevada still existed or perhaps the inland sea east of Colorado existed or the sea or lake still existed by vernal. There are Native American petroglyphs of turtles and crocodiles in the desert in eastern Utah. Or look at Bolivia down there at the lake by timupunku that has a lake at like 12000 feet or whatever with sharks and sea horses in a fresh water lake. They’re sea creatures in a fresh water environment. I was shocked when I headed that cause you hear of sea animals going into fresh water but then having to leave. But there’s a lake with sea creatures that have adapted to fresh water. The book or Mormon has a verse that says from sea to sea is a days journey or something. It’s why Central America makes sense, but if you believe catastrophe can happen then there were plenty of big lakes that existed in the past that could have existed 2000 years ago.

The atalatl dart embedded in his hip is a known type (Cascade) that was in use from about 9,000-5,000 years ago, It is well dated in many sites, contexts, and assemblage and adds another bounding to his dating. X2 haplogroup has been here far too long for your timeline.

You have read the first part of Herodotus and you ran with it. Now you need to continue the research and look into the claims I make below. The sailor mentioned by Herodotus and the sailor in the BOM (Lehi/Nephi) are the SAME sailor and the journey was the SAME. I believe this because Herodotus described the geography of Africa and it matches Alma 22:32. This means Lehi sailed around Africa and remained in the Old World. He did not sail to America. The BOM takes place in the Old World, in Africa, specifically Ethiopia. If you read Herodotus Book 4 Chapter 40-42 and compare the geography to Alma 22:32 you'll see these similarities: #1: When describing the Isthmus of Suez Herodotus says 'The Egyptian part of this peninsula is narrow". This is the BOM's "Narrow Neck of Land" and is described in Alma 22:32 as "a small neck of land". #2: Asia is the land mass that begins at the Isthmus of Suez and extends to the Northeast. Herodotus associates most of Asia (except India) with "desolation". Herodotus claims "As far as India, Asia is an inhabited land, but thereafter, all to the East is Desolation". This is why the BOM draws a line between Bountiful and Desolation. The line is at the "small neck of land" which is the Isthmus of Suez exactly where Asia starts. The BOM's Desolation is Asia and Bountiful is Africa. #3: Herodotus describes the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea as "Our Sea to Red Sea". These are the seas that border the Isthmus of Suez. These seas are the BOM's East and West Sea's, the two seas that are on either side of the "small neck of land" which is the Isthmus of Suez. The BOM may be referring to the larger seas on the East and West of Africa (Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean) whereas Herodotus mentions the more local seas (Med and Red). #4: Both manuscripts describe the "Distance" across the Isthmus of Suez. Herodotus claims the distance is 125 miles. Herodotus overestimated the distance. The true distance is more like 78 miles. The BOM does not use miles. The BOM uses "days traveled". Alma 22:32 claims the distance across the small neck is 1.5 days. Both are not very accurate but both are in the ballpark for describing the distance across the Isthmus of Suez. #5: Herodotus claims that "Africa is bounded by the sea". This was the purpose of the sailing expedition, to see if Africa was surrounded by water and could be sailed around. The sailor was successful and returned to Egypt after circumnavigating Africa. This is how Herodotus knew Africa was "bounded by the sea". This is also why the BOM claims that the "Land South" (the land of Nephi and Zarahemla combined) is "surrounded by water". Both manuscripts describe a complete surrounding of water except the Isthmus of Suez. If not for the Isthmus of Suez, Africa would be an island, both manuscripts describe this. Additional context not contained specifically in Alma 22:32: #6: Herodotus claims the sailor was sent by the Pharaoh of Egypt Necos (Necho II). This is interesting because Nephi claims his father speaks Egyptian and he wrote the BOM in Egyptian (1 Nephi 1:2). This shows Lehi had an association with Egypt and therefore the Pharaoh. #7: Necho II is also mentioned in the Bible as the Pharaoh that killed Josiah. This connects the time period to 600 BC, the Babylonian Exile and therefore Lehi's life. #8: Logically speaking, if Lehi is the sailor that Herodotus is speaking about, this would solve many, many BOM problems. For example, because Lehi ended in Africa and the BOM is written in Africa, this explains steel, horses, elephants, barley, silk, and many, many other "anachronisms" that are not found in the New World at the time. #9: This would also solve the unrealistic claim that Lehi sailed transoceanic. Herodotus goes on to explain that the sailing was 2.5 years and they stopped in Africa many times to plant and harvest food. This is far easier than a transoceanic voyage that would require more food and water than one that hugs the coast and can stop at times to re-supply during the voyage. #10: If the BOM takes place in Africa, as this theory claims, many more things can be discovered about the locations spoken of. For example, a journey South can be understood as a journey towards Ethiopia and a journey North can be understood as a journey towards Egypt. These journey's are up or down the Nile River. A: Lehi's journey South then East (at Nahom) is describing the Nile River then the Blue Nile (the east branch of the Nile) towards Ethiopia. This is logical because the Tre of Life Vision commanded he follow a river to the Garden of Eden. Ethiopia is the Garden of Eden according to Genesis 2:13. B: Helaman 3 is describing Northward journey towards Egypt. The chapter describes Egypt as "treeless" where they build with "cement" and "ship" timber. The Ammonites are coming from the Ammon in Modern Day Jordan. C: The Northward journey made by the Jaredites is again in Africa and down the Nile to the North. They camped in Egypt at the sea. Like Lehi, their sailing journey was not transoceanic. They sailed to Israel and settled Israel. This is why they mention bringing Milk and Honey. Israel is the Biblical Land of Milk and Honey. They brought those things from Ethiopia, the Garden of Eden, where they started. The "Narrow Neck of Land" mentioned in Ether 10:20 is the Isthmus of Suez. A location reachable by traveling South from Israel. Omer in Ether 9:3 also traveled South into Africa and then to Ethiopia just like Lehi. I can go on and on but that's enough for now.

Now you need Non-LDS scientists to agree.

Just kind of sad, really. Desperate and sad.

All religions are cults.

Pres Nelson has said the words "gather scattered Isreal." The teaching, though, primarily focuses on doing temple work, family history and converting people to join the church and receive exaltation through lds exclusive ordinances. The gospel and the church have been conflated by its leaders. Chief Midegah speaks truth! If the leaders believe in gathering Isreal, and it's the most important thing we can do, then lead the members. Be the example. It's crazy how most members won't act unless the prophet says. We've put our trust in men and the arm of flesh. I do hope the church will repent and be honest.

Ridiculous. You don't really understand DNA. You have it doing things it cannot do. Bad science supporting ridiculous religion. Good luck with THAT ! 😂😂

Hog wash . I am a 77 yr old retired Archaeogist that worked in Utah and Colorado around Mormons , their religious claims as to Native Americans is laughable. There is now 22,000 plus yrs of evidence of native Americans in NM , c19,000 yrs before there were Jews in the near East . Ask an Archaeologist about early human EVIDENCE ,not Lost treasures hunting conman Joseph Smith (found guilty by local hometown Court of Law for Con gaming suckers either lost treasure scams). Look it up .

No. Kennewick Man has X2 in his actual mtDNA. It's not from "genetic molecular clock" modeling at all. You can try to argue his C14 dating was contaminated, but heis dating is still bounded by the volcanic layers (would love to see the papers suggesting otherwise), which still makes him older than ~6k years, and X2 showing it already in the Americas. I know Kennewick Man and DNA is a sensitive topic, but this is why I still encourage my Native American friends to allow their ancestor's remains, especially when they're very old, to still be genetically and C14 tested. All the evidence continues to demonstrate and cement just how long they have been here and strengthens their position in it and it's history. They have always known that. But modern research into their ancient ancestors proves it. Theological apologists have to constantly invent new dances when faced with that kind of hard evidence, because it's stronger than their own traditions.

I love how they completely ignore anything that doesn't support or straight contradicts their theory. Like Daryl "Dusty" Crawford, or Lone Bull, as his Blackfoot name is, that he is the man with the oldest ancestral DNA tested in the Americas, estimated to date back to 17,000B.C. And what were his earliest ancestors? Polynesians, they figured that his ancestors landed on the West Coast of Mexico and then migrated North. That lines up well with the Hopi legend of their ancestors traveling across great waters sealed in reeds, with islands rising out of the water for them to resupply, and sinking back down afterwards, described by people who didn't know about the horizon or that the earth is round, their legend says they landed on the West Coast. They also didn't mention the 10,000 year old Australasian DNA they found in a cave in the Amazon. Nor did they bother to mention that Haplogroup X has been identified in skeletal remains of Olmecs and Mayan in Mesoamerica. But most of all they left out that it has been proven that the Phoenicians were mining copper around the Great Lakes area for centuries, traveling for months across the Atlantic, which certainly would get lonely with only male companions. You can be sure they left a sizable amount of Middle Eastern DNA behind, which would explain the presence of Haplogroup X, no Israelites required. Of course the Phoenicians wouldn't explain traces of Haplogroup X in the Olmecs and Mayans, that would have to come from somewhere else. As would the very Egyptian like culture, writing system (including the only other culture to use Cartouches) and words of Hebrew and Egyptian origin found in the Uto-Aztecan language group of Southwestern United States and Mesoamerica. Nor do they mention all the Mayan history that lines up in date and description what is described in The Book Of Mormon.

There were a great many mounds in the Detroit area. once upon a time the definitely was a great city there, but almost all have been destroyed. There is even a giant mound rivaling the size of chahokia, near nearly noone talks about not even wayne may, in Michigan on the west side on lake Michigan , near grand rapids.

And Asians are of the house of Manasseh and the Lehite’s are likewise of the house of Manasseh!!!!

Haplogroup X has been in North America for 12,000-36,000 years. Reliance on haplogroup x for book of Mormon validity is laughable.

Use truth serum or medical anesthesia on these two Mormon Apologists, as well as any other Mormon apologist and Prophet -Apostles leaders, if they believe the BoM to be true. The Mormon leaders secret meetings in the 1920's addressed their belief that the BoM wasn't true and what to do about it.

Keep trying LDS Mormon apologist, but no cigar.

The White red haired European like mummies of the Las Vegas Culture of Peru has been found to be over 2000 years before the Egyptian Pharoah Dynasties even began. The Egyptian Pharoah Dynasties were created by the Las Vegas culture people. Those Whites were in North America long before the BoM time.

Apparently, he doesn't know about DNA tags. This makes him no authority on DNA. These two guys motto is "if you can't dazzle with brilliance, baffle with bull shiiiooot." :.

I find it hilarious that our digestive systems are more closely biologically related to pigs and bears, than to apes! One of my ag teachers use to say, “You and I and the pig”

What makes the most sense to me is the theory that the heartland peoples were at least part of those that migrated from the Mesoamerican area. Makes is very simple.

I don't completely understand everything you guys covered, but I do understand enough of it. It doesn't alter my testimony of the Book of Mormon one bit, just as previous information that appeared contrary to BOM claims didn't affect me. But I do find it extremely informative and fascinating and thank you for your hard work.

From what little I know Haplogroup X is mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down from the mother. It is important to remember that Ephraim and Mannaseh had an Egyptian mother. Therefore we can’t assume that they had the same mitochondrial DNA as their uncles and cousins. Did Joseph have only 2 sons and no daughters? We can’t assume that Lehi or Ishmael had to have “Hebrew” mitochondrial DNA.

The only issue I have with "Judeo-Christian" is that they are two distinct cultures with different values, and they have historically not combined cohesively in any form. The Nephites did it better than the old-world Jews and Christians, and even in that case, they were very particular about removing parts of Jewish culture that had been fulfilled by Christ. E.g. while the ten commandments map onto the two great laws, the beatitudes take it further. As a result, you can't combine an eye for an eye with love your enemy.

So the guy reconstructs an authentic replica ship and sails it around Africa but doesn’t think to take photos or videos to document the voyage? Would’ve come in very handy for TH-cam…

The Dine' (Navajo) originated from the present day eastern United States. 2,000 years ago they migrated to present day four corners region. Through marriage of the already established local tribes, Ute, Paiutes, Zuni Pueblo, etc, the Asian DNA became the prominent DNA. I'm sure Betty can back me up on this.

The temple is our bodies, not a building.

Hey Rod did you know that big foot is a Cain ancestor there is evidence from the early history of Joseph Smith It might only be mentioned briefly. But if you research it you will find it. There was a story about I think it was Oliver Cowdery riding on a horse going from one city to another and a big hairy man walked up on him and said that he was Cain and God had cursed him and said he would walk the earth and not die

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Where does the curse of Cain come from? ? Why was the book of Abraham a fake???. Why were the kinderhook plates false..?? Where is the archeology finds of coins.horses..chariots..anything??? So where did reformed egyptian come from..? Why did Joseph put 24 verses in Isaiah to include himself in the bible? And when the scrolls were found it was proven that these verses never existed? ..not just dna problems but lots of them. Makes me sad to know all this is never answered..the hill cumorah ims just the worst.josephm and others swore that it was a buria E ground after the battles..now Discounted..help..😢😢

Between the 2 eclipses pass over many of the historic sites of the restoration.

Ok, where do we find the rest of the story?

Love this insight

Wow! It was super to be with them on that tour.

Thank you for taking your time to share your knowledge and testimonies with us