Are Native Americans Hebrew??? | Book of Mormon Evidence
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- If the Book of Mormon is real and it came from real events and people and those people have Hebrew roots, where is the DNA? Where is the evidence?
Join us as we talk about some of the Native American ancestry, Haplogroup X, and the Kennewick Man in part 2 of 3.
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I don't completely understand everything you guys covered, but I do understand enough of it. It doesn't alter my testimony of the Book of Mormon one bit, just as previous information that appeared contrary to BOM claims didn't affect me. But I do find it extremely informative and fascinating and thank you for your hard work.
You can’t understand it because it’s all lies.
I find it hilarious that our digestive systems are more closely biologically related to pigs and bears, than to apes! One of my ag teachers use to say, “You and I and the pig”
The atalatl dart embedded in his hip is a known type (Cascade) that was in use from about 9,000-5,000 years ago, It is well dated in many sites, contexts, and assemblage and adds another bounding to his dating. X2 haplogroup has been here far too long for your timeline.
What makes the most sense to me is the theory that the heartland peoples were at least part of those that migrated from the Mesoamerican area. Makes is very simple.
??? Where did you come up with that theory? Mesoamerica has nothing to do with Hapolgroup X or the Book of Mormon Native American people who have Hebrew DNA.
From what little I know Haplogroup X is mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down from the mother. It is important to remember that Ephraim and Mannaseh had an Egyptian mother. Therefore we can’t assume that they had the same mitochondrial DNA as their uncles and cousins. Did Joseph have only 2 sons and no daughters? We can’t assume that Lehi or Ishmael had to have “Hebrew” mitochondrial DNA.
Ancient Egyptians have been found to be similar to several modern Arab populations genetically, so that's really a non-issue
I think that is a good point.
What about Sariah? What about Ishmael's wife? What about Ishmael's sons' wives? What about the Mulekites? We need to think bigger and broader.
I have recently heard that Ishmael’s sons were married to Lehi’s daughters.
Yes, haplogroup X is mitochondrial DNA passed down through the mother. So for the Book of Mormon we would actually be talking about the mitochondrial dna from Ishmael's wife and Sariah, and the women in the Mulekite group.
I love how they completely ignore anything that doesn't support or straight contradicts their theory. Like Daryl "Dusty" Crawford, or Lone Bull, as his Blackfoot name is, that he is the man with the oldest ancestral DNA tested in the Americas, estimated to date back to 17,000B.C. And what were his earliest ancestors? Polynesians, they figured that his ancestors landed on the West Coast of Mexico and then migrated North. That lines up well with the Hopi legend of their ancestors traveling across great waters sealed in reeds, with islands rising out of the water for them to resupply, and sinking back down afterwards, described by people who didn't know about the horizon or that the earth is round, their legend says they landed on the West Coast. They also didn't mention the 10,000 year old Australasian DNA they found in a cave in the Amazon. Nor did they bother to mention that Haplogroup X has been identified in skeletal remains of Olmecs and Mayan in Mesoamerica. But most of all they left out that it has been proven that the Phoenicians were mining copper around the Great Lakes area for centuries, traveling for months across the Atlantic, which certainly would get lonely with only male companions. You can be sure they left a sizable amount of Middle Eastern DNA behind, which would explain the presence of Haplogroup X, no Israelites required. Of course the Phoenicians wouldn't explain traces of Haplogroup X in the Olmecs and Mayans, that would have to come from somewhere else. As would the very Egyptian like culture, writing system (including the only other culture to use Cartouches) and words of Hebrew and Egyptian origin found in the Uto-Aztecan language group of Southwestern United States and Mesoamerica. Nor do they mention all the Mayan history that lines up in date and description what is described in The Book Of Mormon.
Pres Nelson has said the words "gather scattered Isreal." The teaching, though, primarily focuses on doing temple work, family history and converting people to join the church and receive exaltation through lds exclusive ordinances. The gospel and the church have been conflated by its leaders. Chief Midegah speaks truth! If the leaders believe in gathering Isreal, and it's the most important thing we can do, then lead the members. Be the example. It's crazy how most members won't act unless the prophet says. We've put our trust in men and the arm of flesh. I do hope the church will repent and be honest.
No. Kennewick Man has X2 in his actual mtDNA. It's not from "genetic molecular clock" modeling at all.
You can try to argue his C14 dating was contaminated, but heis dating is still bounded by the volcanic layers (would love to see the papers suggesting otherwise), which still makes him older than ~6k years, and X2 showing it already in the Americas.
I know Kennewick Man and DNA is a sensitive topic, but this is why I still encourage my Native American friends to allow their ancestor's remains, especially when they're very old, to still be genetically and C14 tested. All the evidence continues to demonstrate and cement just how long they have been here and strengthens their position in it and it's history. They have always known that. But modern research into their ancient ancestors proves it. Theological apologists have to constantly invent new dances when faced with that kind of hard evidence, because it's stronger than their own traditions.
His dating isn't bound by the volcanic layers. He was protectively buried into those older layers. Your logic is the same as saying that a person is as old as the dirt they're buried in.
@@Lamanitehistory And what do you make of the Cascade atlatl dart point embedded in his hip? Cascade points are well dated at numerous sites and were used between 5k and 9k years ago. Which also add another bounding evidence to his dating.
@chucklearnslithics3751 It was a spearhead, and there is debate over the type of point it was.
Now you need Non-LDS scientists to agree.
And Asians are of the house of Manasseh and the Lehite’s are likewise of the house of Manasseh!!!!
Just kind of sad, really. Desperate and sad.
Haplogroup X has been in North America for 12,000-36,000 years. Reliance on haplogroup x for book of Mormon validity is laughable.
What if the whole premise of how they date genetic drift is flawed?
Did you watch the entire video? They spent a good deal of time discussing, and showing evidence in support of, their belief that the accepted date range for the emergence of haplogroup X is wrong. In summary, the accepted date range is based on the 'mitochondrial clock'. This clock is based on the assumption that genetic mutations occur at a very low rate -- less than one mutation every 1,000 years. Given the number of mutations we see between the DNA of haplogroup X from from ancient Americans and their descendants living today, we calculate it would take between 12,000 and 36,000 years for those mutations to have occurred. But, as discussed in the video, studies comparing the DNA of grandmothers and granddaughters show that genetic mutations occur much more frequently -- 7 to 10 times faster -- than the assumed rate of mutation used in the mitochondrial clock. Using the rate of genetic change from these more recent studies, it appears that haplogroup X showed up in the Americas 2,000-3,000 years ago. This date range, which is arguably more accurate than the one produced by the mitorchondiral clock, is consistent with the Book of Mormon.
None of this proves that the Book of Mormon is true. All it demonstrates is that there are good faith, evidence based, arguments to be made that the DNA from some Native American tribes is consistent with the Book of Mormon. DNA doesn't prove the Book of Mormon is true; nor does it prove it false.