Where to... Zarahemla or Desolation? | Book of Mormon Evidence
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- In this last part we will get into some of the nitty gritty details of Alma and Limhi’s people and the possible routes they took to get to the land of Zarahemla. How was it possible for the people of Limhi to get lost looking for the land of Zarahemla, but still be able to make it back home?
The Book of Mormon is full of chiasmus and they are amazing to take apart when learning the doctrine in the Book of Mormon, but have you looked at the historical chiasmus in there? How does it help with Book of Mormon geography?
Join us as we faithfully discuss all of these possibilities and the evidence behind it in episode 5 of this 5 part series.
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Great videos and details of evidence. Would it be possible that you each spoke in turn rather than over each other? I’m sure that would make it much better.
We both try, but we get so excited we tend to bump into each other. Thanks for your comment.
Appreciate the info. Please improve the audio and do screen share instead of maps we can’t see!
It's always rang true and made sense to me. From the first time I ran across your channel years ago.
Thank you!
Actually, Nauvoo is 574 feet above sea level (Land of Gideon). Montrose (land of Zarahemla on west bank of river Sidon) is 531 feet above sea level. Lookout Mountain is 2146 feet. The highest point in Tennessee is 6,643 feet. It's easy to see how you could go down to the Land of Zarahemla from the Land of Nephi and up to the Land of Nephi from the Land of Zarahemla.
The river doesn't flow north
No it flows south. the BofM never says which direction it flows.@@scottishwarrior3547
@@scottishwarrior3547And?
@@scottishwarrior3547 head waters means confluence as well as source. It was not standardized in the early 1820s or so. look it up. It means the river could flow south. 😀
I appreciate that you all have a tendency to cover these subjects in depth. Perhaps a compromise for the younger generations (those accustomed to reels and shorts), and a way to increase viewership, would be to at least add time stamps to these lengthy videos. I don't mind the length, but they would be more "shareable" if people could hover over the footage, and see a description of it's contents at various points throughout the video. Not to mention, it makes it easier to review to find specific points for your own convenience.
Great point. We will continue to try and make these more user friendly
We are considering that.
Do you guys have an illustrated book that goes through the book of mormon chronologically, and shows proposed locations and evidences? That would be an amazing work and I would be intersted in reading.
This is an interesting notion that Rod mentions in this video: the Heartland Model is a geographic chiasmic history of the BoM Nephites as compared to restoration church history with Joseph Smith. One moving northward to the East and the latter moving southward to the West over the same ground as stated by Joseph Smith himself on Zion's Camp march. Just a coincidence? Or is it a reflection of Hebrew structure and Jehovah’s type in His dealings with His children? I don't think it's mere coincidence. It starts just before 21 minutes into this video. ❤
I love this thought. So poetic
As members we know there is no such thing as Coincidence!
In our Annotated Book of Mormon we speak all about the Chiasmic structure of the Book of Mormon.
Great job. Critical feedback: wait until the other finishes talking. I know you aren't opposed to eachother, but it's hard to watch and listen to when you are fighting to be heard.
We are not fighting, but we are excited about the points of each other. We will try and do better.
Not fighting, we are just so excited to speak. We will do better.
We try hard, but get so excited.
I am here to listen to Rod! Please “we” quit interrupting and talking over him!
The people who communicate this way do not consider it interrupting but as collaborative communication. It’s not for everyone but for those of us it works for it really brings connection and excitement to the conversation.
Ask Russell M Nelson to have the 3 Nephites drop by church headquarters & point it out on the map.
No need. Joseph and the Lord, through His revelations, already pointed us in the right geography direction, that is North America. Watch the video for the details.
@@BookofMormonEvidence I've watched it several times. Not impressed by prophecy mission calls to people cursed with dark skin from ancestors that they no longer have any DNA from anymore. Russell M Nelson could have the 3 Nephites provide their DNA so we know what to test for in the genome & have them open up the Nephite cave talked about in Journal of Discourses Vol19, page (36-39). Alma 11:(4-19) If these major Nephite cities with millions of people you should be finding giant cities in these locations with massive amounts of Gold & Silver coins with Hebrew on them!!! Not one such coin has been found in North, Central or South America. You guys have any actual evidence?
@@BookofMormonEvidencehow do you people sleep at night, lying day after day nothing Joseph Smith said has been proven about the Book of Mormon nothing
@@BookofMormonEvidenceif Joseph Smith was such a prophet why did he get the Sabbath day wrong simple he was following after emperor Constantine which change the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday in 321 AD,to this very day 2024 the Mormons are still feeling up those mausoleums worshiping Satan the devil every Sunday
I support the heartland model. It makes sense to me. One question I have: has evidence of metallurgy and smelting been found in the heartland during the time of the Nephites?
Yes… look for all the Wayne May things, he has discovered the smelting, war, Hebrew writing, ancient Native American legend/story info that all matches what is recorded in the Book of Mormon
The Spruce Hill Earthworks site in Ohio has evidence of that in the right timeframe. There's a non-member named William D Conner who has also found and taken pictures of some ancient furnaces and molds in the right timeframe. He wrote a book called Iron Age America before Columbus. Also Caleb Atwater in the early 1800s before Joseph Smith described finding the remains of a decomposed iron sword in a Hopewell mound at Circleville Ohio.
"Discovering stuff" may be entertaining, but the BOM speaks clearly for those who read and study what it says about the geography of the BOM! May's "findings" are the results, in part, of those who "went northward" from Zarahemla, ending up in the "heartland"!!
Sorry media challenges we will fix@@Greg-McIver
With families, animals, and all the other items of a group of people 16+ miles a day, similar to the men in Zions camp, seems a stretch. 10 miles a day at best would be more reasonable.
Did someone find Zarahemla?
2:40 - It's my understanding that Helam means "stronghold". That could, maybe, provide some greater insight to why it was named "Helam" and where it might be (more specifically).
We believe it may be the Pinson Mounds in Tennessee that are there today
Rod,
A long one? Really? You gotta do 2-3 hours to keep my attention!😂
We will keep going for you my brother.
Isn’t “bountiful” in the Middle East ?
You obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon.
"Discovering stuff" may be entertaining, but the BOM speaks clearly for those who read and study what it says about the geography of the BOM! May's "findings" are the results, in part, of those who "went northward" from Zarahemla, ending up in the "heartland"!!
Zarahemla is in the Heartland. Those who went north ended up in Michigan.
Wayne May and Rod agree.
It wasn't there. Now I am absolutely sure.
There is metallurgy all over Tennessee but especially Michigan.
I just found this video, purely by “accidental” design. Who are the people speaking.
These men are LDS (Mormons) that are attempting to prove where the events in the Book of Mormon happened. This is a topic of debate amongst Mormons.
Your audio needs "HELP"
Thanks for your patience...
@BookofMormonEvidence Ezekiel 37:16 where does it say that the stick of Ephraim is the book of Mormon, I Can't find that scripture or read it
Don't men to burst your bubble but zarahemla is fiction
You didn't burst any bubbles because we have records and evidence that it existed- sorry to burst your bubble, friend.
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@@jasonvesmam7044 Good luck on your search for truth.
@@michaeldunwoody3629 zarahemla is Nauvoo
@jasonvesmam7044 It's not a fiction.
Struggling so hard and spending so much effort to figure out the paths taken... such a waste of time, seeing how none of this nonsense actually happened.
Gee thanks Bob.
Let us waste our time then it won't hurt you, correct? The Book of Mormon is absolutely the word of God.
They enjoy doing it and I enjoying learning about it. How is that any different from your hobbies?
So what's it to you Robert? This Church gives away nearly $ 1B/ year to third-world poverty and global disaster relief. What are you doing for *_them_* ?
It brings me great joy, as it is secondary evidence that the Book of Mormon is indeed the word of God.