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Are you tired of all the confusion in the Catholic Church? So was I! For this reason, I decided to intensely study Traditional Catholic Dogmatic Theology in order to discern between what people say about the Catholic Church vs. what it actually says and teaches. What I found is that the Conciliar Church is NOT the Catholic Church.
If you are a confused Catholic, or are discerning about becoming a Catholic, The Traditional Thomist offers you an in-depth examination of the situation in the Catholic Church that will help make sense of the confusion.
With God’s grace, through the hands of our Lady, we will help the Church fulfill her mission that is echoed in the words of Pope St. Pius X “Instaurare omnia in Christo”, “To Restore all things in Christ”. Fighting for the Social reign of Christ the King in our hearts and in Society, we will by true and total devotion to Mary, strive to see the City of God (Christendom) extend over all the earth.
If you are a confused Catholic, or are discerning about becoming a Catholic, The Traditional Thomist offers you an in-depth examination of the situation in the Catholic Church that will help make sense of the confusion.
With God’s grace, through the hands of our Lady, we will help the Church fulfill her mission that is echoed in the words of Pope St. Pius X “Instaurare omnia in Christo”, “To Restore all things in Christ”. Fighting for the Social reign of Christ the King in our hearts and in Society, we will by true and total devotion to Mary, strive to see the City of God (Christendom) extend over all the earth.
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Thank you for being so authentic. Such a breath of fresh air. I am refreshed indeed. So happy that principled people like this exist. Unfortunately, no latin mass in my country. God bless.
Thank you so much for the information!! New subscriber
The Traditional Latin Mass of the Ages was supposed to be banned entirely on July 16, 2024, but nothing happened. Why? 1) Too much backlash. 2) Traditionis Custodes, the motu proprio whereby Pope Francis attempted to suppress the TLM, provided free publicity to the TLM worldwide. 3) The growth of the TLM as a consequence of [2] has become so great as to make any attempted total ban on the TLM way too costly. 4) A diocesan Bishop - much less the Supreme Pontiff, who is the Bishop of Rome - has enough on his plate such that he does not need another aggravation. 5) Traditional Catholics have complained that the Bishops have failed to be true shepherds of ALL Catholics. 6) The Pope has no authority to ban any of the Three Pillars of Catholicism - Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, or the Magisterium of the Church, all of which together constitute the Deposit of Faith - and all of which are expressed in the Traditional Liturgy. The papacy is the servant of the Three Pillars of Catholicism rather than their masters. 7) Consequently, the Pope has no power to compel obedience to such contradictions of the Three Pillars of Catholicism. 8) The Church has, by and large, rejected Traditionis Custodes.
Yes alot of fear mongers negativity and some hatred towards or brothers
Nick would you be able to put out some videos on the early Church???? I'd love to hear about what happened after Christ died. How it grew through the early years.
There were two phases in the Liturgical Movement. The early LM, as epitomized by Dom Gueranger and other like-minded theologians, sought to elevate the laity to the heights that the Sacred Liturgy had and always seeks to bring the faithful via interior participation and comprehension of the liturgy in order to love what is the fundamental basis of the Christian life. The later phase epitomized by those of Beauduin and Bugnini's ilk, sought to achieve that same end by way of dumbing down the liturgy ie. simplifying it and have the faithful actively participate it in ways no different from the clergy, which played itself right into the hands of modernists who sought to change the essence of Church at its very foundation, that is, the liturgy.
Maybe it means that the centuries of Jewish persecution (Ghetto’s, progroms, inquisition, Holocaust, antisemitism which were fuelled by the ‘old’ interpretation have to STOP). But that’s just me😅
Catholicism is work salvation, please turn to Christ in faith as the Bible clearly says we are saved by grace which translates to CHARIS meaning "unmeritted favor/free gift." quite literally. There is a Reason why Paul says in Romans "for the wages of sin is death, but the FREE gift of God is eternal life through christ Jesus our lord." Again grace's literal translation in the Greek is "unmeritted favor/free gift." Salvation is completely free all you have to do is believe that what Jesus did for you 2000 years ago actually worked. He died as a substitute for sin on the cross for you and me because the penalty for sin is death, if the penalty has already been paid and "by grace you have saved through faith" then all you are doing is believing that his payment was for you, a.k.a excepting it and believing you have eternal life as a result of his finished work (and of course believing he rose from the dead as a dead savior can't save you.) The reason you cannot add a work to Christ's finished work is because as Paul makes clear in Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." You aren't under grace if you add something to the gospel because grace must be unmeritted for it to be attributed to you. Again, you are just trusting in what Christ already did for you, that's why in ephesians Paul says "after you believed, you were sealed with that holy spirit of promise, which is the GUARANTEE of our inherentance until the redemption of the purchased possession." Paul can't use the word guarantee here if salvation is partially based off of something you do, as obviously YOU can fail in your efforts meaning there is obviously no guarantee. But if it is entirely based off of what Christ did, then there is a guarantee.
Two weeks have passed. Lo and behold you’re still on Avoiding Babylon. That’s a head scratcher since you basically describe the show in your vid. Great exposure for you, they’re the new hip Matt Fradd show. They certainly never glom into every controversy for views right? What exactly was the point of your video? Upon reflection it appears you just were doing niche marketing. Money and ego. CatholicINC
Two weeks have past and behold, you still do not get the point of the video. As clearly stated, I am not against talking about Church politics, I am against TMZ drama between Catholic personalities.
a lot of people misunderstand Dr TM. thanks to him he brought me back to my Catholic faith and is continuing to make me stronger
Thank you. Stay in faith n prayer.
Bro if you reject the authority of Vatican II, you are just another Lutheran
Nick. Come back.
Another Catholic making excuses for the Synagogue of Satan. As My Mother taught her 12 children "There are THREE Sides to every Story.Yours,Mine and the TRUTH" The WWII Story all you get is the ALLIES Side of the STORY,the Other Side of the STORY is CENSORED. A One Sided Story isn't TRUTH. If you dare QUESTION the Allies Side of the Story or NOT Believe It,you are Labelled as spreading Misinformation or a DENIER. You spout out the Propaganda of the Annual Hollywood Version of the Story,but have you dared research the OTHER Side? N, because you think you Know all you need to Know, You saw It in the Movies. So why is It that if you Dare to Question or INVESTIGATE the ONE EVENT of WWII History that you can get up to FIVE Years in Prison in some Countries? The TRUTH doesn't need Laws to Protect It ,Only LIES need that Protection. Keep spouting out the Propaganda of the Allies Story,never seek the Other Side because you may find the TRUTH and It won't be what you want to SEE or HEAR,because you are Brainwashed by the Education System and Hollywood Movies. I've heard both Sides of the Story and the Allies Story is nothing but PROPAGANDA that has been shoved down our gullets since 1945. I'm in my 70s, I know the Church before Vatican II and It's Mockery of the Holy Mass. I also was Taught who is the Biggest Enemy of Christ and His Holy Catholic Church and It is NOT the Muslims. That was a Time when the Catholic Church didn't bow before the Synagogue of Satan like Popes bow at an Old Roman Fort Wall in OCCUPIED Palestine. The Church stood for TRUTH,because Jesus Christ is TRUTH. He also called the Enemy Liars like their Father. That's all the Enemy knows are LIES. My Mother said after we attend the 1st "New" mass " The Holy Mass is no longer the Holy Mass. The Mystery is GONE". Vatican II turned the Catholic Church PROTESTANT.
the traditional ecclesiology of the Church also says that it is impossible for the Novus Ordo to be harmful to souls so even if you are correct in this video, your position is also modernist and an abandonment of traditional ecclesiology
No. You seem to be using the term "Modernist" loosely, as well as have a misunderstanding of disciplinary infallibility. Firstly I and the SSPX agree with the thesis that the Church protected in her disciplinary rites. I will quote from the Sacrae Theologiae Summa, De Ecclesia (1955). "Regarding disciplinary decrees in general, which are purposefully connected with revealed truths. A. The end of the infallible Magisterium demands infallibility concerning decrees of this kind. For, the end of the infallible Magisterium demands those things that are necessary in order to obtain the end for the life of the faithful in the Church without error. But in order to obtain the end for the life of the faithful in the Church without error, infallibility concerning the disciplinary decrees purposefully connected with the truths of revelation is necessary. Therefore, the end of the infallible Magisterium demands infallibility concerning the disciplinary decrees in general, which are purposefully connected with revealed truths.The major is clear, because the end of the infallible Magisterium finally must be ordained to this-that the faithful are directed without error in attaining the end of the Church.The minor is certain from the definition itself of the disciplinary decrees in general, which are connected purposefully and necessarily with revealed truths, n.703.723. B. The Church claims for herself infallibility concerning these decrees.a) Concerning disciplinary decrees in general, what we said above is certain from Pius VI in the Constitution “Auctorum fidei, ” in 1794, whereby he condemned the errors of the Synod of Pistoia: D 2678.b) In particular, concerning liturgical decrees, that the Church claims for herself infallibility is certain from the law of Eucharistic Communion under just one species, which was solemnly mandated by the Councils of Constance and Trent: D 1200, 1258, 1728-1732. The same point can be abundantly confirmed from other decrees, by which the Council of Trent solemnly confirmed the rites and ceremonies, which must be used in the administration of the Sacraments and in the celebration of Masses: D 1613, 1645, 1657, 1745, 1746, 1757."The doctrine of the thesis is at least theologically certain and proximate to a definition from the same Vatican Council I. Pope Paul VI published on April 3, 1969 the Apostolic Constitution, Missale Romanum that supposedly promulgated the Novus Ordo Missae; but was this a legitimate act? Universae Ecclesiae is the name of a recent Instruction which provides some precious clarifications on the four-year-old Summorum Pontificum, which signaled the liberation of the Mass of All Time. The pope’s intention is that the Mass may receive “full citizenship” in the Church today, and not be ostracized as it has been in the last four years by the diktat of omnipotent episcopal conferences which reveal a rather loose conception of Catholic obedience. Time will tell whether they will toe the Roman line or do as they have done so far. Here we would like to expand only on #19 which states: The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church." By so doing, the Instruction attacks any group of faithful doctrinally attached to the Mass of All Time even if they recognize in principle that the New Mass is valid. There may be nothing new under the Roman sun, but this document affords us the chance to go over the reasons why Archbishop Lefebvre always contested the legitimacy of the liturgical revolution of 1969. We will show this in three ways, of increasing importance: the legal aspect, the historical context, and the dogmatic context. A. The legality of the New Mass A law is legitimate only when it is duly promulgated by the lawfully constituted authority. But to this condition must be added another of supreme importance and essential to make it a law: it must be for the common good. And precisely on this score, the Novus Ordo Missae (NOM) is most defective as was attested at the time of its promulgation by no less than Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci: It is clear that the Novus Ordo no longer intends to present the Faith as taught by the Council of Trent… It represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Council of Trent. The “canons” of the rite definitively fixed at that time erected an insurmountable barrier against any heresy which might attack the integrity of the mystery. The legal aspect here does not address so much the question of the suppression of the Old Mass, since its continuous existence was supported not only by the general norms of the new Code, (can. 20) but was openly admitted by Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum. Rather, the legal question we wish to study deals with the juridical validity of the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Missae. Here, we are largely indebted to Itineraires, the magazine of Jean Madiran, which was the French voice of Tradition years before the liturgical changes. We need to look at the Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum (April 3, 1969) which allegedly promulgated the Novus Ordo Missae. Most of the document describes the novelties and the final part never declares clearly what the pope commands, forbids, or concedes. As to the final “Nonobstant”, it is too generic to pretend to abrogate the perfectly clear legislative act of St. Pius V who promulgated the Mass of All Time. It appears that Paul VI never wanted to render his missal mandatory, with a truly juridical obligation. Why? Itineraires could say as early as 1970 that the future was already present: a constant process of mutation. Changed were the “original” edition of the Institutio Generalis (see below regarding the theological aspect), and the editio typica [typical edition―Ed.] of the Novus Ordo rite within months. The Apostolic Constitution in its second Latin edition was enriched with a new paragraph drawn from the French/Italian version, as we are to explain presently. The original Constitution concluded rather innocently with: “From all that has been said so far regarding the New Roman Missal, in the end, we are now pleased to draw a conclusion.” But, sensing that something was missing, the French and Italian translators (not to speak of other versions) boldly modified the text making it say: “We want (placet!) to give force of law (cogere et efficere!) to everything (quiddam!) which we have exposed above regarding the new Roman Missal.” The same translators also completed the authentic Latin text of the Apostolic Constitution, adding: “We order that the prescriptions of this Constitution become effective on November 30th of this year, the First Sunday of Advent.” Both these modifications and additions objectively constitute a forgery. This alone manifests the essential problem of a Constitution which some wish to be mandatory, but which, in its authentic tenure, is not. The question remains why Pope Paul VI seemed to substitute in fact another law to one which he did not abrogate by right. Worse is the other stunning question: why did he not say clearly that he did not want to abrogate the other? Why leave the minds of confused priests and laymen in the agonizing doubt that everything was taking place then as if the authors (which ones?) were imposing an obligation while letting you free to believe the opposite?
Part 2: B. The historical context Cardinal Gut, the Prefect who presided over the liturgical reform, gave a revealing insight into the pressure which led the Pope to promote the New Mass: We hope that, now, with the new dispositions, contained in the documents, this sickness of experimentation will come to a stop. Until now, the bishops had the right to authorize experiments but, sometimes, such limits have been trespassed and many priests simply did what they wanted. Then, what happened is that, sometimes, they imposed themselves. One could not, very often, stop these initiatives taken without authorization because they had gone too far. In his great goodness and in his wisdom the Holy Father yielded, often against his will." As any decent legislator would do, Paul VI, in establishing his liturgical reform, elucidated the motives of such drastic changes. Here they are: The reform is an act of fidelity to the “demands” of Vatican II. It is meant to revive the languid and awaken the sleepy. It wishes to supplant the “opaque glass” of the old Mass by another which will be a “transparent crystal” for “the children, the youth, the workers, and businessmen.” It wishes to be “a resolute gymnastic of Christian sociology.” What about the “ecumenical” motive? As strange as it appears, Paul VI never invoked this motive. This omission rightly raised the eyebrows of Protestants and Catholics alike who, unanimously, recognized it on every page of the Ordo. Said an intimate friend of the pope, Jean Guitton: There was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist service..." As to the motives given by the Holy Father, the most important would be the first, stating, in a democratic fashion, that this was the will of the conciliar bishops. He directs us to #50 of the liturgical decree [Sacrosanctum Concilium―Ed.]. But was it really so? The said paragraph recommends indeed in generic terms a certain revision of the Mass. Yet, when these 2000 bishops signed this paragraph, did they wish the suppression of the Offertory? Did they wish the addition of ad libitum new Canons to compete with the Roman Canon from the 3rd century? Did they want such ambiguous Ordinary texts of the Mass that these would immediately seem agreeable to men who have no faith in transsubstantiation, the sacrificial oblation, and the Catholic priesthood? No! Certainly, the Council never wanted such a revolution. In the same context of the end of that fatal year, 1969, we need to add a letter addressed to the pope, utterly unnoticed by the press, signed by 6000 Spanish priests. …We shall not speak of the doctrinal Catholic reasons; we could not expose them better than the document A Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass, which Your Holiness has recently received, accompanied by a letter signed by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, and which one would need to refute in details according to the doctrine of the Council of Trent if one wished to prove the orthodoxy of the Novus Ordo. We shall not speak of this, but we shall bring up the Protestant reasons. Mr. Max Thurian affirms in La Croix of May 30, 1969 that, with the Novus Ordo “non-Catholic communities will be able to celebrate the Last Supper with the same prayers as the Catholic Church. Theologically this is possible.” Thus, if the celebration by a Protestant is theologically possible, this means that the Novus Ordo expresses no dogma with which the Protestants are in disagreement. But the first of these dogmas is the Real Presence, essence and center of the Mass of St. Pius V. Could a Protestant pastor celebrate the Novus Ordo if he was to perform the consecration in the intention used by the Catholic Church? Lex orandi, lex credendi: the liturgy is the highest expression of our faith. Where shall we go if, in the best of cases, the Mass silences the Catholic truths? If the good people, with no knowledge and against their will, are thrown into heresy, as long as they preserve the Christian morals (unfortunately, they do not), they will save their soul. But this will not be the case of those who will have pushed them into it. Most Holy Father, we do not want to endure this responsibility. This is why we boldly address this letter to you, after we begged of you in a previous one (November 5, 1969) to allow the universal Church to preserve the Mass of St. Pius V together with that of the Novus Ordo." In the name of the pope, some Roman authority (which one?) demanded total submission and blind obedience from all these most devoted priests. The strangest thing is that none of them reacted and nothing was heard anymore of this tyrannical act. Moreover, an Italian committee was gathering signatures to petition Paul VI to abrogate the Novus Ordo Missae. Behold the judgment proffered by Vatican Radio: “Do you wish to be sure of disobeying the pope: sign!” Hence, whoever dares to make a petition to the pope is in the state of disobedience! This idiotic idolatry to the goddess of false obedience, unheard of during twenty centuries of the Church, raised no protest. This cowardly servility reigns almost universally: it is the sentiment of most cardinals who dare neither speak to the pope nor ask anything from him, not even to beg: they would be tagged disobedient to the pope, and they accept this slavish tyranny. Is it not true that where truth and justice cease to be upheld, arbitrary despotism reigns, with no basis and no limits? Does not the statement of Louis Veuillot [author of The Liberal Illusion―Ed.] express aptly the mindset of many a churchman: “there is no one more sectarian than a liberal.”
Part 3: C. The theological context We have already alluded to the underlying dogmatic truths which the New Mass has silenced or covered in ambiguous terms, so as to please heretical communities. These half-truths (and half-errors) were markedly expressed in what can only be called the definition of the Novus Ordo Missae: “The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is a sacred synaxis, or assembly of the people of God gathered together under the presidency of the priest to celebrate the memorial of the Lord.” This text was found so offensive and raised such a worldwide uproar that Rome had to come up with something less heterodox. They revised the definition into something less heretical, but did not touch anything in the rite itself, the perfect expression of the early definition. Yet, this definition and this rite omits or denies the three doctrines which are at very heart of the Mass: the priest who, by his sacerdotal character, is alone capable of consecrating the Eucharist; the propitiatory sacrifice of the Mass; and the real and substantial presence of the Victim of Calvary through transubstantiation. The SSPX has presented a book to the attention of Rome, The Problem of the Liturgical Reform. It explains how the new Mass is the plain expression of underlying principles drawn from the theology of the Paschal Mystery [NB: this refers to the false interpretation of the Paschal Mystery as found in the Novus Ordo, as opposed to the correct one expressed in all of the traditional liturgical rites―Ed]. Here are the book’s conclusions: The propitiatory aspect of the Mass has been effaced from the new missal because the Paschal Mystery holds that there is no debt to be paid in order to satisfy divine justice offended by sin. But, by refusing to see that the Redemption includes the act by which Christ paid to God the entire debt of pain incurred by our sins (the doctrine of vicarious satisfaction), the theology of the Paschal Mystery sets itself in opposition to a truth of the Catholic Faith. The structure of the new missal is that of a memorial meal that celebrates and proclaims the divine Covenant and not that of a Sacrifice. But, by considering the Mass as a sacrifice only insofar as it is a memorial which contains “in mysterio” the sacrifice of the Cross, the theology of the Paschal Mystery weakens the visibility of the sacrifice as taught by the Church, and can no longer “vere et proprie”-truly and properly-designate the Mass as a sacrifice. This cannot do justice to a truth of Faith, and seems thereby to incur the condemnation pronounced by the Council of Trent as regards the “Nuda commemoratio”-mere commemoration. The New Mass has displaced Christ the Priest and Victim, and replaced it with the Kyrios who communicates Himself to the assembly, making the Eucharist no longer a visible sacrifice but rather a mysterious symbol of Christ’s death and resurrection. Insofar as it rests upon philosophies of the symbolic type, this notion of sacrament cannot be reconciled with the Church’s doctrine on the sacraments. Because this notion corrupts the branches of theology where it is introduced, it is dangerous for the Faith. Now, even if one wanted to contest the heretical elements of the New Mass, the sole refusal to profess Catholic dogmas quintessential to the Mass renders the new liturgy deficient. It is like a captain who refuses to provide his shipmen with a proper diet. They soon become sick with scurvy due, not so much to direct poison, as from vitamin deficiency. Such is the New Mass. At best, it provides a deficient spiritual diet to the faithful. The correct definition of evil-lack of a due good-clearly shows that the New Mass is evil in and of itself regardless of the circumstances. It is not evil by positive profession of heresy. It is evil by lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood. This deficiency had already been denounced by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci months before the New Mass was promulgated: The recent reforms have amply demonstrated that new changes in the liturgy could not be made without leading to complete bewilderment of the faithful, who already show an indubitable lessening of their faith. Among the best of the clergy, the result is an agonizing crisis of conscience, numberless instances of which come to our notice daily.
@@thetraditionalthomist Sadly you failed to address my main point, so let me explain it again The Infallibile safety of Universal discipline is according to traditional Catholic Ecclesiology an Infallible teaching in virtue of the ordinary Universal Magisterium So if you say that the Church has promulgated a Liturgy that is harmful to souls you are denying said doctrine And you are saying that because of modern circumstances (Vatican II and what not) this Infallibile Catholic teaching must change and we should not believe in it anymore (Modernism) This (among many other reasons) is why Fr. Cekada and others left the SSPX They connected the dots
@@mousakandah5188 No, did you read my response. My whole point is the Church did not promulgate the New Mass.
Thank you so much for saying something! 🙏
Thank you so much for these vids. So sad the Pope doesn't teach these things.
Thank you for this wonderful video! I myself came to Tradition through the SSPX 7 years ago and have not regretted it ever! I’d like to ask, given John Salza’s changed stance on the SSPX, do you have any rebuttals or answers to them that I could use to show/explain to friends who are wary to come to the SSPX thanks to these newly surfaced videos of him and Matt Fradd / Michael Lofton?
Thanks for the video man. You've challenged me in a good way. I've tried to step back from much of that stuff but I end up wasting a lot of precious time on other inane stuff, just as one thing I need to change
I really really appreciate this. Can't agree more!
What i see when i look at catholic channels on youtube are typically 3 things 1. Rainbow flag thumbnails over videos entirely devoted to gaybashing and anti-lgbtq propaganda. Not discussions *with* this group of people to better understand eachother and how we come to different moral conclusions, just propaganda *about* this group that is 90% falsehoods and only intended to condemn and demonize our fellow human beings. 2. fearmongering about demons and stories about exorcisms. Yes demons are a part of catholic beliefs, but lets just say that certain...christian...channels seek only to...capture...views when they post 10 videos a month about it, none of which add anything useful, they're just milking the same algorithm that cryptid and conspiracy channels use to make money off of clickbait. And 3. Incessant political drama. Church politics and making that into "us vs them" and doing the same with American politics. What do i want to see from catholic youtube? I want to see a video called "God loves every single person in the world" can we just bask in that glorious wellspring of hope for a little bit? Can we wash off the blood and dirt from all this pointless warring with the world and each other? Christians should be known by their love, and just as importantly, their Joy! How can we be so angry if we know that god loved the whole world so much that he sent he only son to defeat death itself and garantee our eternal salvation? No matter who wins the whitehouse or what documents francis writes, no one can take that away from you. Nothing is outside of Gods control. Nothing happens without his permission. If you believe this than rejoice and be at peace😊 I hope you see a beautiful flower today🌺🌻🌷🌹
Do you think giving more of a platform to those who were in the homosexual or trans "life" style, and were freed from it by Christ's Grace would be a good answer to no. 1?
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 the fact that you phrase it as a lifestyle illustrates the problem. In good faith, I will answer your question if you answer this question: What is THE "gay lifestyle"? Describe it to me.
@@MrLoveandKindness It looks like my original reply was deleted by the hosts, so I'll make another answer: It's making your desires your identity and acting out on them in thought & behaviour.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 do you desire to go to heaven? Do you desire to love God with all your heart, mind, and strength? Do you identify as a christian? I'll safely assume yes to all, which means you have made your desires your identity and you act out on those desires in your thought and behavior. Therefore, by your definition of "gay lifestyle" you are gay.🤷🏻 But I promised to answer your question and so i shall. No, I don't think it would be a good answer. Homosexuality is not something that any therapy can change, nor does God have any desire to change, because it does not need to change. These shamed and traumatized individuals who claim to be "ex-gay" routinely associate homosexuality with drug use, or abuse, or exploitation, which does NOT represent the majority of lgbtq individuals and their "lifestyle" if we insist on calling it that. Instead why can't a priest sit down with Neil Patrick Harris or Stephen Fry or Pete Buttigieg or any of the millions of gay person who live perfectly normal, healthy, even exceptional lives? In summary, "ex-gay" speakers are a terrible way to solve any problems, they are contributing to the problem by contributing to the LIE that homosexuality is a flaw in one's character that demands fixing. Thank you for engaging with me, but I am quite tired and I'd prefer not to get bent out of shape. I hope you see a beautiful flower today🌻
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 did the same to me. In summary, that's a very poor definition, and no, supposedly "ex-gay" speakers contribute mightily to the collective hatred Catholicism exhibits toward the lgbtq community, by constantly associating homosexuality with drug use, abuse, and other negative things that most people have nothing to do with. The platform that needs to be elevated are the voices of lgbtq people who live normal happy lives. Homosexuality is not a character flaw that demands fixing, it is a difference that you should learn to understand.
Thanks Nick! Since you feel this way, I am wondering why you are still a guest on AB?