Why Characters Got Cut: Super Smash Bros. 64 - The Missing All-Stars
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The biggest part of the Super Smash Bros. speculation scene is trying to guess which characters will make the cut, however not everyone's favorites are so lucky. So in the next episode of our new series, join NantenJex as he explains why certain characters just missed their chance to be playable in Super Smash Bros 64.
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Sources:
- Marth: sourcegaming.info/2015/12/13/...
- Team Star Fox: sourcegaming.info/2015/03/30/...
- Bowser & Dedede: sourcegaming.info/2015/04/09/...
- Nintendo Power: web.archive.org/web/2007100517...
- Smash 2 Poll: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
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You gotta love that that Smash Fan went to Sakurai HIMSELF to confirm or deny his friend's rumors. That's some dedededication.
Lol
You can't beat the KING Dedededication
A very Nick Robinson moment indeed!
I could legitimately see that Peppy and Slippy likely were both cut. Imagine the timeline where Jigglypuff wasn't the joke character and Slippy was.
Slippy winning Melee and Ultimate Tournaments today under the hands of Hungrybox:
*Leave 'em to me!*
*FOOOOX!*
*Here comes a big one!*
God, Slippy in Melee would've been such a hilarious but cool thing to see.
BubbaBrix yeah imagine if Slippy got into Melee, and despite being the joke of the group, is still a Top Tier. Imagine.
could you imagine getting laser camped by a slippy grand finals then when you approach him you get comboed to death. that would be the funniest shit ive ever seen.
But jigglypuff wasn't a joke character.
Love how you gave specific sources for everything, especially when misinformation is so prevalent in the Smash community.
It's probable Bowser was planed as a boss in the original 64.
That would make sense tbh
Even if that would be cool, Sakurai confirmed that he was going to be a character
Kinda funny how Pikachu was considered a "Secondary Nintendo Character" in that interview but now he's arguably the most recognizable next to Mario, if not surpassing Mario.
He surpasses Mario by a long shot, specially in countries where Nintendo doesn't make itself much present, such as Brazil, for example.
Ok but can you imagine how fun Slippy could be in Smash? Like trying to do a Fire Fox and running in circles on fire or tripping while doing an Illusion.
Also, Super Smash Bros. Melly
"You can't just slap on any moveset to a character"
Ganondorf: Am I a joke to you?
Dr MARIO: yeah cough cough um I mean turn your head first 😂
@@Ryan4326 atleast dr mario makes som sense cause atleast he’s still mario
@@shrike_8136 I like the idea of Dr Mario being a legacy Mario, i.e. being more similar to Mario's Melee moveset while Mario moves on to represent more recent stuff. Unfortunately, Dr Mario in Ultimate still takes more from Melee Dr Mario than Melee Mario, and thus is still slow, bad at jumping, and pretty crap overall.
Also his final smash is so pitifully derivative, when they could've done something really unique.
DORIYAH
Clearly he must have been
Wow, can't believe Geno got cut from Smash 64 because Sakurai accidentally sneezed and deleted his completed character file. Ah well maybe next game.
I don't think is true buddy sakuria dint final development for add Geno over getting sick there something other reason why he cut him.
@@jamesnelson5618 Issa joke
@@kewl0210 ok nevermind.
"Not just any moveset would do" Ganondorf would like a word
To be fair, Ganondorf has no consistency in ability in his home series except his one handed magic blast. Sure that could be like Samus' charge shot, Mewtwo's Shadow Ball, or Lucario's Aura Sphere, and it's a shame they didn't do that, but beyond that how do you make a moveset fit a character with no consistency to his moveset?
@@devonm042690 I dunno. How do you make a moveset fit Pokémon with movepools in the hundreds? Or a character which at the time of his Smash moveset's creation had never been playable outside of a vehicle (Falcon, Fox)? Iconic moves/powers from throughout the character and series' history cobbled together. We know Ganondorf was thrown in because they had time in Melee, so instead of doing that with the _main villain of Zelda_ they shouldn't have bothered with him since they didn't do him right. If he was higher on the priority list, they could have done all kinds of things with moves Ganon has been known to do, like lightning magic, teleporting, etc., given him dual swords and moves inspired by the OoT Ganon fight, etc.
There were plenty of options to not make Ganondorf a clone at the time and even more in retrospect.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva You can play as Ganondorf in Smash Remix, which is already surpassing vanilla 64 in popularity online. His moveset is pretty much Ultimate inspired; his aerials are similar to Falcon's, but he uses his spear for grounded attacks. More new characters are on the way too, the most recent being Lucas. It's no gimmick either; the devs take their time to ensure each new character is as polished as the veterans.
@@nahor88 If you replaced Failnaught and the Sword of the Creator moves in Byleth's moveset with Mewtwo-esque teleports and charged energy attacks, you'd have a pretty good Ganondorf in my opinion. The Aymr and Areadbhar moves would be perfectly fine with Ganon's trident.
@@devonm042690 Why is his "one handed magic blast" his one consistent ability? I don't recall him doing that in many games.
In 9th grade, my friends and I spent every lunch period arguing over which characters should appear in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The ones I wanted most were Banjo Kazooie, Skull Kid, and Neku from The World Ends With You. Well, I did get one out of three many years later.
Well good thing banjo kazooie is now in smash Bros ultimate and your free to play as him anything you want and Neku has not been around back then until 2007 so get your research and thank you.
James Nelson The World Ends With You release date: July 26, 2007 Super Smash Bros Brawl release date: January 31, 2008 lmao all it would have taken you is a basic Google search.
@@powergannon that an understatement but I appreciate thanks.
@@jamesnelson5618bro's insufferable and illiterate
Prediction for next big data leak: Bowser and Dedede smash 64 model/moveset files
good point
You mean the big "Giga leak" that has been getting lots of attention lately?
wouldn't you assume a watered down version of melee bowser and tr4sh/smash6 DDD?
I mean Bowser just got added for Smash Remix. (A fan mod for Smash 64)
@@alejandrobarahona2465 close enough but I was thinking like official files
“A character needs to feel like that character to make it into the roster”
Captain Falcon: “Say what now?”
TBF Captain Falcon didn't had much character at all before being in Smash, besides being a buff superhero bountyhunter stereotype in the manual, so things like "FALCON PUNCH" or "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES" fit in that archetype and shaped the character in future F-Zero games.
Unlike Slippy who had a clear personality established already as a clumsy pilot who needs constant saving.
Umberto Roccamena
Captain Falcon was portrayed to be very stoic in his own series. Plus in the comic within the SNES manual he is portrayed less like a hero and more like an actual bounty hunter. Even within future F-Zero games he’s still portrayed to be very stoic and in F-Zero GX he’s portrayed more as a bounty hunter than a superhero
Super Smash Bros clearly takes creative liberties with the personalities of various characters such as Mario, Peach, Roy, Pit, & Mega Man.
This series also makes creative movesets for characters such as Fox, Ice Climbers, Zelda, Falco, Ganondorf, Wario, ROB, Wolf, Villager, Mii, Duck Hunt, & Isabelle.
If you can justify how SSB’s incarnation of Captain Falcon can be different from his canon self then you can justify it for any other character.
Sjono
Captain Falcon is a fast character in smash, and F-Zero is a fast racing game, so I think Sakurai represented him well. There wasn’t that much about the character, he never appeared in any game since he is always inside his vehicle, so he feels more like the game he’s in than the character itself
Pillar guy
You can apply that flimsy logic with just about anything. Might as well say that since Arwings are agile machines in the Star Fox series, all of its pilots including Slippy should be agile in Super Smash Bros.
Sjono
But Slippy, unlike Captain Falcon, is a character you had more information about. You know he is clumsy and always needs help from Fox, so it doesn’t make sense to make him super agile. However this makes sense for Fox, in Star Fox he is agile with his airwing and unlike Slippy can control it and defeat his opponents easily due to being a better pilot, and Fox as a moveset in Smash based on an Airwing because of that
Even if slippy’s moves did 1% he would still be top tier in melee
Yeetus De Feetus he could be a funny joke character, also how about Glass Joe
Slippy would be the Pichu version of Fox lol!
Imagine Slippy with shine
Wil E tinkle was in the windwaker.. WW came out a year or 2 after melee so tinkle technically was around. He had 0 chance of getting in though lol. Sakurai probably didnt even know of his existence
Are you two talking about tingle cause he came out in ocarina of time
damn the whole star fox crew being playable would be pretty sick tho
Kinda wish we got the whole team today too
That way we could also have amiibos of the whole crew instead of just Fox and Falco
hope smash remix would add them
In another universe people are complaining about Star Fox having too many reps instead of Fire Emblem
@@goodusermaadinternet6774 "It's so stupid how over-represented Star Fox is whilst Fire Emblem hasn't gotten a new fighter since Brawl. Fire Emblem's the more popular franchise! Do we have to have Fox, Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Wolf, Leon, Pigma, Panther, and Krystal all in Smash Bros? They all play the same anyway, except for Krystal. There's Blue Fox, Green Fox, Old Fox, Evil Fox, Evil Green Fox, Fat Fox, and Black Fox."
Well the mod, smash remix made the dream come true with its new release :)
There is mod called smash remix. It adds more characters. Like falco, ganon, and more. It gives it the quality of life I've been looking for.
To think that marth would have been a veteran with just a little extra time
The fact that slippy didn't make to smash brings despair in my heart
With him using his smart bombs, his Re:Bots from Guard and his wrench, I honestly think Slippy could be a great defensive but fast and lightweight zoner character in today's Smash enviroment in Ultimate as DLC or the next Smash game
GamingYoshi Fanatic yes i feel like they could make him different than the other starfox charaters, but id rather see leon or panter so it can finally be a fair fight agaisnt starfox and starwolf
canker sisters!
Meowth being in Smash is my decade long dream...
I still hope that if they actually do a Gen 8 Pokemon as DLC that it would be Perrserker.
just play Wolf
ZX XZ I tried, but it’s just not the same 🤣
1999:
Falco: yes I can be in smash
Slippy: *KAME KAME HA*
Falco: What the ***** bro
What Swear Word has two letters
@@yoshtrooper6938 oh look at Mr. Smarty Pants over here
@@jray6024 oh look at the mr.ignorant pants over here
@@yoshtrooper6938 tbh I thought I used three ***
I’m still mad that Min Min wasn’t in Smash 64
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I thought piranha plant was considered
zoom zoom
@Starscream91 how do YOU know that?
@@barracudajsab5018 because here the thing ARMS isn't a thing or exist back then until Nintendo switch so I don't know why are you're fussing min min just already got include as a recent chareter in ultimate.
Sakurai was treating slippy like waluigi
6:49
D3 hasn't been an actual villain of a mainline Kirby game since Kirby's Dreamland, ever since then he's either been right, or possessed
The "fan rules" are so stupid and I hate that people try to use that for justification.
All the "rules" fans make up over the years get either debunked or become very questionable at best.
It's like Sakurai trying to pick which shirt to wear and people starting speculating that the color of the shirt could hint a new fighter. Smh.
@@opalander The stupid rule was the spirits rule. "If it's a spirit, it can't be a character." I hate the Smash community. So stupid. A fan came up with this idea but people use it as fact.
@Starscream91 Yep, bunch of losers. They all act like they're good at the game and they insult each other easily.
Heck, I like Pokemon and that fanbase can be toxic too.
Yeah there's only one rule (No non-video game characters, which Sakurai has repeatedly said from the very beginning). All other "rules" are artificial
There is a ROM-hack called Smash Remix, its a ROM-hack of the original Smash bros. with Ganondorf,Young Link,Falco,Dr.Mario,Dark Samus,Wario,Lucas and Bowser.The game is still in beta testing and more updates and characters are coming to the game
It’s called Smash Bros Remix and… guess who got added a few weeks ago!
Looking forward to seeing how the Krystal for smash story develops within this series.
7:43 "Nintendo All-Star Battle Royal Smash Bros"
Oh, no...
Was even *that* part a wan photocopy of Smash
Horrible name indeed
The origins of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale revealed...
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
Hmm, I remember way, way back some old gaming magazine speculated that Ken Griffey Jr. (of all people...) was supposed to be in Smash Bros because of the Homerun Bat (Which is more than likely a reference to Ness) and the popularity of his baseball game.
"Having an agile Slippy is kinda..."
Bro frogs are super agile, I don't know what you're talking about.
They not
I’m just happy Falco was still included😁
I heard Peach and Wario were considered for 64 as well.
I assume that since this wasn't brought up, James Bond and Banjo being considered for Smash 64 was another one of those misinformed pieces of trivia
I know James Bond was on the character poll but I believe that was used for Melee. Banjo was too late as the game only released a month before Smash Bros in Japan.
So basically, Banjo was never considered until Ultimate
Both of them were considered for Melee I believe, but not Smash 64
They were considered for Melee, not 64
James bond is a video game chareter or 4th party? Because he hadn't been the most popular request among the smash community I seen so far.
Honestly, it wouldn't just be Slippy holding back the addition of him, Peppy & Falco as Fox costumes; Peppy would fall under that category as well. He's an old guy, evident by previously being on the original Star Fox team lead by Fox's father.
Slippy would make a neat fighter in my opinion. I can see him using his tongue in his moveset or grab, as well as doing clumsy-looking variations of Fox/Falco's moves, like a kick followed by a trip for his dash attack.
I'm looking forward to Melee's cut character list. For some weird reason, Melee's development history is the most interesting to me.
Its so interesting to me because its the game with, presumably, the shortest development cycle. I believe they got right to work on Melee months after 64 released, and the short development cycle caused major health issues for Sakurai.
You look at how much Melee, a Nintendo fighting game in 2001, has to offer, and then when you process the fact its development was RUSHED for a deadline, its mindblowing how much more they could have added if given another 6 months to a YEAR. Imagine if it was released for Holiday 2002, and we had more fleshed out characters and characters like Snake and Wario in Melee.
@@BFBrix Melee had so much potential in terms of roster and shaping the series going forward. It's a real shame that it was rushed
All things considered, it's surprising Dedede wasn't in Melee.
Hopefully SG explains why King Dedede didn't make it into Melee (unlike Bowser and Mewtwo) if he was already chosen and being worked on for 64.
Oh I cant wait to see tribal Shy Guy in Smash Melee! Or even Sonic and Tails and Toad
Sega is still around for console console markets so it alot too late for Sonic and tails to get include.
Melee has a balanced selection of newcomers, yes there are 6 Clone characters, but still it’s balanced
1/2 are Oddball editions, and 1/2 are characters that people expect to see
That’s why I like melee’s roster
If that's the case, then I wonder why De3 wasn't in Melee
"The character needs to feel like that character, not any old moveset will do, it needs to make sense."
*laughs in Ganondorf and Dark Samus*
Dark Samus is a doppelganger in-character and Ganondorf not only did rely on brute strengh but still feels like someone powerful as the wielder of the Triforce of Power.
Even if they don't have any of that goofy Sonic and Mewtwo nonsense from their home games, they're not wrong.
that what they ment by "feel".
*also laughs in Ike*
I mean, Ganondorf did make sense back when Melee came out, as he wasn't a sword fighter in Ocarina of Time. It wasn't until after Melee that Ganondorf became known for using swords.
@@TheRealZXXZ it was a joke, but since you bit
Dark Samus may be a doppelganger, but it takes all of 5 minutes of research to see that she fights nothing at all like Samus. She isn't the SA-X. For a quick example, in MP2 DS uses a move that is exactly Inceneroar's Up Special, but years before that Pokemon was a thing. Dark Samus should be a Luigi or Falco (in their current forms), and was more accurate to the games as an assist trophy. She doesn't *feel* like Dark Samus, she feels like Samus, and that distinction is important, at least in my opinion.
Ganondorf is a different matter, i and everyone else understand why he was big Falcon in Melee. Why he didn't get a major overhaul after that is anyone's guess, but at least he has more unique moves now.
@@buchiklop110 pretty much
Ganondorf has been Mr. Swords and Trident for a good while. Magical stuff has been pretty minimal since Wind Waker, hope the new G is fantastic.
When I was really young and playing smash 64, I was on the internet during the wild west era.
Somebody said, even back in the first game, that *GOKU* was in the game, you just had to beat classic mode as jigglypuff on very hard with 1 life.
Sakurai also wanted Marth so there could be diversity with swordfighters. He thought Marth could be more technical and strategic oriented compared to Link's brute force like nature.
I think that Nabooru should be in the Super Smash Bros. as of playful character, like Impa, Ruto, and Darunia, the Sages from OoT. Nabooru can battle with swords just like Impa does, plus using the special power up to defeat enemies, again like Impa done hers.
3:59 "This shows us that a character needs to feel like that character in order to make it into the roster. Not just any old moveset will work. It needs to make sense."
Must...resist...mentioning...Ganondorf.........
How can you say you can’t imagine Slippy being agile but not the same for Peppy?
It's only because Sakurai specifically mentions Slippy
Not gonna lie, I've always had a fascination with rom hacks that aim to "restore" cut content for games. So it'd be interesting for me to see something like Smash Remix that uses this list of characters as the new additions. Though if that did happen, I do wonder if it'd be better to keep Falco as a semiclone, restore Slippy as an alt costume, or have Wolf replace Slippy in that costume slot.
@-0melette- I love Smash Remix, and I'm always happy to hear it suggested.
Ok but now i'm really hoping that if we keep on getting nintendo "giga leaks" we get to see the models (maybe even animations) for bowser and king dedede from the OG smash
King Dedede’s model probably ended up used in Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards since it was in development at the time at HAL and saw the first playable appearance of King Dedede.
As for Bowser, he probably used an entirely original model, scaling him down from Super Mario 64 and, if games 2-5 in the Smash series are anything to go by, an original redesign intended to be “scarier”.
Interesting to know that Falco, Peppy, and Slippy are were all considered. Even though that would look a bit odd, I'd actually prefer all of them being in rather than only Falco. By having only Falco, it makes him look more important than the other Star Fox members, even though that isn't really true.
Maybe Slippy could work as a echo. A slower, less agile Fox, who is intentionally supposed to a worse character.
I think Slippy could also work as a defense zoner in Smash with him using his Guard arsenal and some Assault weapons (his Re:Bots, his guntowers, Smart bombs and his wrench for close range defense)
Comparison is this version is designed to be more longer range and patience driven than the echo idea, but I think this is a very accurate version of Slippy: not a full on rush down front line fighter, a little shy, but smart and cunning in battle tactics.
"its makes falco look more important"
...
"lets make slippy bad on purpose"
@@yourehereforthatarentyou I was just making a stupid joke. Though Slippy has been notorious among Star Fox fans and the gaming community in general. So him being deliberately bad wouldn't be out of place
@@ditto6533 Slippy being a playable fighter in Smash Bros would be such a meme.
I agree.
Imagine smash 64 but the four hidden characters were marth, Mewtwo, Bowser, and Dedede. Would’ve been better imo
Luckly, Smash Remix exists so uuh lol
I wonder if King Dedede was even considered for inclusion in Melee since he was scrapped in 64 and was in the Top 5 highest voted characters on the If There Was A Smash 2 Poll.
King Dedede (and probably Meta Knight too) were both considered but to avoid accusations of bias, Sakurai put them in Brawl instead (Sakurai created Kirby)
I like that you mentioned the rumoured characters, I hope you mention all the rumors/hoaxes/fakes etc in other Smash games as well
Anyone else see the starfox crew running backwards at 2:17
😂😂
Considering that they had already worked on Bowser with 64, his sorry state in Melee is that much sadder.
I've actually heard but I guess it might not be true, but I have actually heard that Sakurai decided not to include King Dedede in the original Super Smash Bros because he didn't want to over saturate the game with too many characters from Hal Laboratories which is the company he worked for at the time not to mention the main company that worked on the game.
I really don't think having the rest of the team as Fox's alts. would work because of size differences complicating with his hitbox and hurtbox.
The reason King Dedede was cut is because he's too epic and the N64 couldn't handle it
Also King Dedede is not a villain
Smash Remix:
"Character needs to feel like that character"
Iggy Koopa: Am I a Joke to you?
Emmanuel Ray Why doesn’t Iggy feel like himself
@@IcyDiamond because Iggy is the tallest Koopaling and since he has to have the same hitbox as bowser jr he was shrunk down a whole lot
@@HeftyDan same for Roy, he is the biggest one
@@arielglr7177 Morton is the biggest
@@HeftyDan Smash doesn't care about exact heights
It would have been great if the gigaleak had been data confirming that bowser and dedede were in the game
Loving this series!
Now we got Falco and Bowser in Smash Remix 64 xD (A Smash 64 Hack)
To this day, I'm upset Mewtwo was cut from the original game. It seems every character from the original cast gets a free pass in every entry in the franchise. But Mewtwo was cut from the original, was one of the last characters to make the cut in Melee, was worked on in Brawl but didn't make the cut, made it as the first DLC character in Sm4sh (even though Mewtwo didn't make the base roster) and is only in the base roster of Ultimate because of the very fact that the base roster included every character that was previously in any of the previous games (so he made it in by default).
The worrying part about this is Sakurai stated that bringing every character that came before was likely a one time deal, as it was difficult to secure the licence to use all these characters. So I expect many of the characters in Ultimate won't return for future games. Mewtwo is owned by Game Freak rather than Nintendo themselves, but their strong partnership means Pokemon will likely always be a part of Smash Bros. However, not being in the original 64 game makes it more difficult for my main to make the cut. I feel Mewtwo either needs to be relevant or meet a special requirement (again like how Ultimate invited every previous fighter).
I hope going forward Mewtwo will continue to be a playable fighter. I'm always on the edge of my seat until I either see him announced or sadly absent from the roster.
I've seen speculations that after Ultimate, a reboot is happening, that would mean: indeed Ultimate is the only one where everyone from past entries are present and then, a new blank page as if it were 64 again, with superstars only
@@gtapoops I've heard this rumor as well. While this series really could use an overhaul to evolve the series, I have a feeling Mewtwo would be on the chopping block yet again. He always struggles to make the cut when they're adding more characters, so I have a hard time seeing him make it in with a major reduction with the cast. We all know they'll add new characters to the game too giving existing entries a difficult chance to return.
If my above theory is correct (the one about him either needing to be relevant or meeting a special condition to be included) he's in serious trouble. In Brawl he was cut due to time constraints. I was worried that he was removed from the series indefinitely with Lucario being his permanent replacement (even though their moveset was very different). Years after Brawl came out before Sm4sh was released, Mewtwo became a very relevant character again in the Pokemon series. He was in a recent Movie, was in the final episode of the 4 part series Pokemon Origins, was one of 2 Pokemon at the time to get 2 Mega Evolutions, and had a special OVA episode promoting Mega Evolution. Even after all this attention he was added as DLC rather than be considered for the base roster. At the moment he has little to no relevance in recent games. He did get the remaster for the first Movie, but that likely won't be relevant by the time development of the next game begins. I have my doubts he will be as relevant when the next entry is being worked on, making his chances dwindle.
Assuming this is a reboot, the team will likely recreate every character from scratch and we'll get the serious cut back in the total characters like we saw when they rebooted Street Fighter. This means even if it was never a real issue like many of us speculated for past games, character slots need to be accounted for if they're giving this game the overhaul it desperately needs. I can't see the original 12 being cut, so for Pokemon I'm safely assuming you already have Pikachu and Jigglypuff. Then I think Charizard/Pokemon Trainer would have priority over Mewtwo as the Smash team has shown favoritism towards Charizard/Pokemon Trainer over Mewtwo in the past. That's already 3 or 5 gen 1 Pokemon they would have to re-imagine for the new game already and you know they're going to want other generations represented too. Because of this I'm not even sure Charizard/Pokemon Trainer would make the cut if the downsize roster cuts half of the roster out or more.
I dunno, even though Mewtwo was always considered I just don't see him being part of a reboot when he was always an afterthought in previous games. Because of his inclusion throughout the series as a whole even if he's cut for this game I can still see him as DLC or added in games that follow the next entry years down the road.
@@TurkeyFaceX You have excellent points, he always had some struggle appearing and disappearing along the series for being an iconic pokemon: lets face it, he IS iconic.I have a feeling that if the reboot rumours are correct, Sakurai won't be listening and obeying every single thing the fanbase demands, just as how he has behaved for so many years so I could see probably a Pokemon trainer representing various starters alongside pikachu and I highly doubt jigglypuff would come back as representative. Mewtwo has been on the spot as the closest character there is to an antagonist in the pokemon series.. at least in the 90s pokemonwise...
I could definitively see him returning as well as KD, Ganondorf, Bowser
What I feel will happen: The original rooster were entirely 90s stars, while some may return, sadly others won't imo like Captain Falcon, F-zero has been asleep for years and there are no signs of ever waking it up, Earthbound and Metroid arent as present as they used to be, and games like fire emblem and animal crossing among others are replacing the main Nintendo sagas, this can make our original stars "downgrade" to being additional options for later entries or DLCs
@@gtapoops I agree, he is iconic. As for gen 1 I'd say the top three in order are 1) Pikachu, 2) Charizard, 3) Mewtwo. Jigglypuff being cut is an interesting theory. Out of the original 12 not many people played the puff ball and Jigglypuff was never too iconic of a character, mostly known for the one in the show that drew silly things on the faces of those who fell asleep to it's song. If he does return it'll be because of the original 12 treatment.
As for other characters, I have a hard time seeing Captain Falcon getting the axe. His series is unfortunately dead at the moment, but one could argue he's kinda the mascot of Smash Bros. When I think of Samsh, the Captain is always one of the first things that comes to mind. I honestly see him mostly known for his presence in Smash Bros. rather than his own series.
I agree with other villains likely returning like Bowser and Gannondorf. They're about as iconic to Nintendo as it gets and its amazing they weren't in the original.
Also who'd KD? If you mean King Dedede, I think his chances of returning are high, but not a shoe in like Captain Falcon, Bowser and Ganondorf. He is iconic and being a personal Sakurai created character earns him serious points, but if they're downsizing the roster they have to cut somewhere.
@@TurkeyFaceX I think the original 12 treatment will not happen again, now that Sakurai and his team already know what the worldwide fanbase want and do not want. cutting down time using elements they already have (capt falcon in 64 for example) seems like it wouldn't be the case anymore. Speaking of Falcon I see why (taking into consideration the development process) he would be seen by many as the mascot, but I hardly see him in memes, references, pro mains and online participation, I could see him as DLC in a reboot. Nintendo's main stars at a Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/Kirby level would be guaranteed original rooster, however for the rest I could see Villager and Fire Emblem protagonists also there, leaving.
I just wonder how a smash reboot could look specially in this character hierarchy
I thought I read somewhere that Bond from Goldeneye 007 was planned for Smash Bros 64, but was cut due to licensing rights.
Melee
Many of the characters that were left off of 64's rosters have been added with the Smash Remix mod which has most recently added Bowser and Falco and Ganondorf to the original game along with other characters.
Bowser has now been modded into Smash Remix 64. Feels like a tragic hero getting a bittersweet ending.
*heavy breathing *
we could have had SLIPPY!!!!?!??
Yessir! I know, that’s crazy.
Been waiting for this 😁
Love this series!
Wasn’t Wario also planned for this game?
Or was that Melee?
It was Melee.
And Sakurai stated that if it could have add one more character to Melee, it would be Wario.
@@rhinastocroc-boulet5189 So sad the yellow lad didn't make it into Melee... maybe then we could've had a proper Wario Land-inspired moveset.
@@BFBrix Yeah, maybe.
7:45 Secondary characters like Pikachu. Boy how times change.
This series got my sub cause I gotta see more
Guess I gotta check other vids out too
I am excited for Melee
Cause James Bond was planned for Melee
Is James bond from golden eye is a video game series or 4th party?
He was considered
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Smash 64 is llthe development version of what we have now.
once i dropped my smash 64 cartridge onto my sm64 cartridge and after i put it into my n64 to see if it still worked it became very personalized and all sorts of characters like lucas, bowser, falco and ganondorf were added.
5:13- And his love for the fire emblem games
Is there a Playlist of this series from you? I'd love to watch like 10 videos of these things from you lol
This got me thinking, if Ganondorf was skipped in Melee, and instead was given more time to be developed and was added in Brawl, maybe he would have turned out as something other than a Captain Falcon clone
I heard from a another video (I don't remember which one it was such a long time ago and I can't find it) that Diddy Kong was going to be in ssb64 but was scrapped due to time constraints
Weren't Banjo and James Bond considered at one point? I've definitely read that before.
That was in Melee iirc. Though I think Sakurai said that they would be impossible to include due to licensing issues.
The motion sensor bomb is actually from Goldeneye 64, however.
@@ditto6533 ah okay, i guess i always assumed it was 64 since they were both N64 mascots.
@@ahok1937 Bruh, Goldeneye 64.
@@7daneml oh and don't forget Conker from Conker bad per day.
Wait what about Meowth? I swear I’ve read somewhere that Meowth was considered instead of Jigglypuff in Smash 64...
Meowth that right.
Goddamn, I dont ever wanna hear sakurai's name ever again. I'm so sick of people pretending that he did EVERYTHING
Hmm, would have liked to see more content in the first category, there were others like James Bond and Banjo that were "Considered / Immediately Dismissed" as revealed in Sakurai's interviews.. Feels like some big omissions, hope you acknowledge in your next video.
those were scrapped from melee if Im correct
I think if Smash 64 had more of a budget and had more time to cook, it absolutely would’ve feature Bowser, Dedede, Mewtwo and Marth as playable characters along with the OG 12.
And now they're all in smash remix 😊
imagine an alternate universe where they did get selected and onwards what do you think the roster for ssbu would look like
It's finally here
I thought I read before that Banjo and Kazooie were considered but that must've been for Melee
Imagine fox as a spirit and slippy toad as a fighter spirit
In now we have smash remix to thank for this
I know it would probably be counterintuitive to the point of these videos being to CLEAR UP misinformation so including them might just make people browsing misinformed, but it would at least be interesting to bring up a category of rumored characters which weren't even considered (like toad, sonic and tails in melee unless they actually fit into "immediately dropped")
I like vids like this. I cant wait for melee’s vid because BOY DID I GET PUNK’D WITH THAT BEAT 20 CRUEL MULTI MAN MODE TO UNLOCK SONIC & TAILS. Stupid magazine & its catfish. I actually did it & when they didnt pop up i was pissed.
3:50 unless your Ganondorf
God I wish Muddy Mole was in Smash 64. This is completely unrelated but that was basically his only shot.
I would love to see a muddy in the game too infact we need more Gameboy reps in smash for sure.
@@jamesnelson5618 Yeah, the Game Boy is in dire need of representation. Prince of Sable is one of the few swordfighters I'd be 100% cool with.
Banjo was considered as well but I guess we all know what happened there
I want to know if Ninten from Mother 1 was ever planned for Smash 64 and why Ness from Mother 2/ EarthBound was chose over Ninten for the first EarthBound Rep ever in smash
Ninten has next to no PSI, not as much to work with.
Imagine smash remix.
I thought there was a Nintendo Power Interview about Smash 64 characters and Goldeneye's Bond was mentioned.
No, Bond was Melee
"only on the premise of being able to reuse movement and parts of pre-existing characters"
... Cpt. Falcon I understand, being based on Smash's old concept, Jigglypuff and Luigi are obvious, but...
What was reused for Ness?
Probably Mario or Pikachu is my guess... small, yet easily adjustable models to fit a child’s proportions. I always thought the same thing long before this video lol
This is the hardest, but last video speculated that Mario's model probably was the base for Ness, at least skeleton-wise.
I know it sounds out there but wasn't James Bond from Goldeneye 64 legitimately considered at one point? Or was that another rumor? Because the proximity mine from goldeneye IS in the game... It's just got renamed to motion sensor bomb.
Not that we know for Smash 64. But if you wait a few videos you will have your answer :)
I'm surprised Bowser wasn't picked instesd of Yoshi.
It was not an "instead". They were both picked. One was cut.
@@fernandobanda5734 exactly. Like I said. I'm talking about adding in Mario characters. They didn't want to add too many.
@@black9897 If you mean why they didn't cut Yoshi, there could be all sorts of reasons. Maybe Yoshi was easier to develop or further developed. Maybe its stage (which represented another series) was already done. Maybe it was essential to classic mode (Team Yoshi). At that point, there was much more than simply choosing.
@@fernandobanda5734 right which is why I was curious
Didnt Sakurai think that Yoshi was in his own series and that's one of the reasons he got in too?
Heads up Lucus was sprcaped from Melee.
More like "Considered but almost immediately forgotten about because Earthbound 64 would never the see light of day"
i stand corrected about meoth
Seriously?
8:28 there was a guy who was spreading fake news at your last video
He said that James Bond was considered for Smash 64
"But he didn't made it cause it wasnt a video game character"
James Bond was a pretty old rumor
@Starscream91 What else do you propose we call information that is incorrect?