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These Mario characters caused major controversy, hurt the Nintendo brand, or even could've costed them millions of dollars...so they took action. Which characters have been neglected, forgotten, or even ERASED from history, and what were the real reasons why?
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Hey Siiroth are you seriously telling me you forgot Wart was in The Legend of Zelda. Yeah he is more than just a Mario character. This is one of the many Nintendo Universe confirmations. Yeah whatever Nintendo says almost all Nintendo games are in the same universe.
@@ssbfan33 7:46 and 9:07
well cloud and sepoiroth are a class hero vs villian why not bowser and mario.
why.
Siiroth did you I know this probably not you didn't say in your video but donkey Kong Jr is are donkey Kong now apparently donkey Kong dies and donkey Kong Jr takes the place of donkey Kong to technically you're lying
One character that i still think is weird to be missing is Toadsworth, as he hasn't appeared since Partners in Time, and there is no real reason for why (maybe because of Toadette or the "no unique toad law"?)
He has appeared in several Mario spin-offs, but now that you mentioned it, I think he’s starting to fade into the background too…
He was in Bowser's Inside Story, I think, but that may have been the very last game with him in it.
@@trentfowler1335 now that i searched, yes BIS was his last game, with PIT being the last one with he had some relavence
@@realsalu634 He was also (very briefly) in Dream Team, which was his very last appearance in a new game (he was in the remakes of Superstar Saga and BIS, and 3D All-Stars, but that doesn't count). Now that I think about it, AlphaDream was the one who was really keeping Toadsworth alive at the time, and with them gone bankrupt, he really hasn't appeared.
@@matthewberry2144 Yeah the only way I see Toadsworth appearing in another game is if the M & L rpg series is somehow revived which is not very likely.
According to Rare, Junior was the father of the main protagonist (Kranky admits in the dialogues that HE is the original Donkey Kong). So having him as the "sidekick" to his own son just wouldn't fly.
Yeah im amazed this dude didn't even bring it up, which makes me question if he did much research on most of this.
Recon. Now the Donkey Kong we know is the grandson of the original Donkey Kong. A lot of us aren't going to get that. I used to think the current Donkey Kong was the original Donkey Kong. That kind of makes sense because why would the villain become the hero? It's kind of strange that their names are all Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong had a son and named him Donkey Kong Jr. When Donkey Kong Jr grew up, he had a son and named him, Donkey Kong. Let me guess if the current Donkey Kong has a son will he name him Donkey Kong?
@@Nameless82284 No, the current donkey kong’s son would be donkey kong jr.
@@greenfroggy333 Donkey Kong Jr? More like Donkey Kong IV
Yeah, but if it ain't NINTENDO saying it, I don't believe it.
I don't feel like Wart was QUITE forgotten by Nintendo, even if he doesn't appear in games anymore. Nintendo had made a recruitment booklet forJapanese employees that featured brand new, completely unique hand-drawn artwork of various Mario characters working at Nintendo (such as Bowser Jr testing his Junior Clown Car on Spinies and Buzzy Beetles; a music session with Pauline singing, Luigi on a double bass, Spike on a bongo and Wiggler on Note Blocks; Peach and some Toads painting concept art; Thwomps smashing on Switch systems to test durability, overseen by a Boo; etc). One of these artworks is Daisy and Donkey Kong communicating via telephones at an office... and Daisy just so happens to be calling Wart, of all people! Wart is even surrounded by a bunch of Shy Guys! It's a neat little nod to a character that we haven't really seen all too often beyond remakes.
One of the few characters to be both a Mario and Zelda character.
@@ssbfan33 Arguably. Considering Link's Awakening is all within his dream, you can claim that he wasn't really there, and since he went by a different name, you can also claim it wasn't him. If you consider him a Zelda character because of that appearance, then you have to include everything else like it, like Peach, Goombas, Kirby-like enemies, etc.
@@edwardnygma8533
To be fair, the other name he used was just his original Japanese name.
@@Luigicat11 Ah, interesting. So is then also called that in the Japanese Links Awakening I assume? Also, iirc he was made for the US first right? So technically his "American" name would be the "original"? Unless I'm getting them mixed up now or they changed something along the line. Either way, just interesting to note that they changed a name going west to east instead of the typical way.
@@edwardnygma8533
Well the American SMB2 did originally release in the states, but it was based on Doki Doki Panic, which was Japanese and he was there, so no, he wasn't made for the US first. It is easy to think he was if you didn't know about DDP though.
I really miss the Koopa Kids. They had such fun designs, and it’d be really cool to see them come back. At least have one of them stick around.
Nah they’re redundant with bowser jr being around
And confusing to the normies with the koopalings
Even though what theyre saying IS true, I still feel like they can be brought back in a way, if they ever decide that 8 worlds isn't enough, they could use the Koopa Kids as a way to expand the journeys. Plus, all they really need to do is just touch up on their designs, give em the DuckTales Reboot treatment and make the Red, Blue and Green one more distinct in design and personality from one another
It would be way cooler if they all had reworked 3d fights
@@delfinodolphinsquad910 Nintendo don't own the rights to to them.
My theory for DK JR not being in anymore games is because it wouldn’t make sense for him to look or be younger than Dk since he’s technically his dad because cranky kong was the original one and also they probably can’t find a good design for him to look older
That, and Diddy Kong has essentially replaced Donkey Kong Jr. for good once Microsoft acquired Rare. Beforehand, Nintendo wasn't allowed to have DKC characters appearing in any Mario game as Rare owned the rights to almost all DKC content and therefore wanted no cross contamination or crossovers with the Mario series, barring the Mario cameos in DKC2. Nintendo was allowed to have Donkey Kong in their games, but they had to get permission from Rare in order to use him. The last game to have that restriction was Mario Kart Double Dash!!, which is somewhat redundant in the end as the acquisition was completed during development.
Until then, Donkey Kong Jr. has made a few appearances even after the release of Donkey Kong Country, with his latest appearance being Mario Tennis as an unlockable character.
@@X2011racer It doesn't help that Rare also replaced DK Jr with a discount lookalike in "Dixie Kong's Double Trouble", making it all the more insulting and contradictory.
Donkey Kong Jr. was added to Mario Kart Tour in the Super Mario Kart Tour. If the SNES part is an excuse, why didn't they choose another character like Koopa Troopa to get a SNES variant?
@@robbiewalker2831 I think you're taking the narrative of this video too seriously. Rare making a sinilar looking character (in direct competition to) DK Jr is not disrespectful, and if anything you should be greatful. The more well-designed the characters the better
DK Jr is a cool character who shows up every now and then. Kiddie Kong is also a memorable fun character. Neither share the spotlight anymore, but they don't need to. They're function at this point is to make Mario's world feel bigger.
By that logic, Donkey Kong Jr is the current Donkey Kong though
I'm happy Daisy avoided this fate. Azalea stole Daisy's intended face because her earlier designs looked like a simple recolor of Peach. That was what caused Daisy to obfuscate and suffer an identity crisis for one decade. I'm glad Nintendo realized that making Azalea was a big mistake because she stole everything what Daisy wanted in the latter's earlier appearances. It's not going to matter if Daisy is a reskin of Peach, Daisy was a tomboyish doppelganger of Peach anyway, so it's all good. These characters Nintendo wanted to erase happened for good reason. Diddy Kong was a much better looking character than Donkey Kong Jr. anyway. And also, Bowser Jr. was the real Koopa Kid even if he is a simple reskin of Baby Bowser.
I just wish they cared about Daisy's kingdom too :(
Wait, so who's Azalea?
@@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 She was one of the humans introduced in Camelot's Mario Golf titles, first appearing on the Game Boy, but able to be transferred over to the N64 version via linking the games. She made her last appearance in Mario Golf: Advance Tour on the GBA as one of the original golfers from the past generation that the main character could compete against.
I guess it went the opposite way for her which is interesting…
Daisy’s a girl boss that’s why she wasn’t erased ✋🙄
I’m fine with Nintendo having set cast members, but I wish they would try more variations like in the original paper Mario games while still establishing the regular versions as definitive.
Just to share some stuff about K. Rool, the reason K. Rool exists in the form that he does is actually because him as well as the rest of the Kremlings were going to be villains in another Rare game that was being made, it was a space themed text adventure game inspired by Monkey Island, but their designs in that game were very radically different from what we got in DKC, so in order to make them fit the DKC setting better, they made the designs more cartoony and so from there is how we got the designs we see Rool and the Kremlings with today and that text adventure game ended up getting scrapped at some point, don’t remember if that was before or after this decision though.
As far as we know, the biggest connection to anything related to Mario early in DKC’s development is that at one point it was going to be a game where DK and Mario teamed up with Wario being the main antagonist.
Well maybe but Alligator's are depicted as green even though they can be brown, so maybe the green is to keep him from sharing the same color as the Donkey Kong and the rest of the Kongs
My theory/headcanon is that the Koopa Kids were imperfect clones of Bowser and that Bowser Jr. was the successful experiment. That's why he has no mother.
Why are koopalings never in Mario party
Most likely
That's... kind of terrifying to think about. Like that sounds like the start of a horror story.
My headcanon is the dorky universe
This was actually the predominant theory before the 2012 interview where Shiggy explicitly said that Junior was the only real kid. Which is so weird, because if Dad has dozens of children and then one quote 'successful' one, the theory should all but be confirmed, right? But the average person is an idiot.
Instead of rehashing Mario Galaxy 1’s plot, Galaxy 2 should’ve had Tatanga as the main villain. I mean, he’s an alien, it would’ve made so much sense!
Big thing is he has to target Daisy and co again before going up in space and Mario alone would have to save the her and others again, but not before Wario comes back.
Good thinking, what a missed opportunity. This would've been good for a Galaxy 3. I also would've been cool with a Tatanga and Bowser team up in Galaxy 3.
I really like Nintendo keeping their cast consistent but I feel like Donkey Kong Jr. and Wart could still be part of their own series. Koopa Kid should just be seen as Bowser Jr. and his variants as the character using Double Cherries in my opinion, it just makes no sense for them to be seen as different characters anymore.
Or he could be done like the koopalings and just be a high ranking soldier of the army that really looks up to bowser
@@belltempest3708 That could work as well but to be honest I see no reason for them to still be around
Honestly I like the theory that the original DK is actually the grandfather of the modern DK, and DK Jr is DKs father
I see no reason for you to still be around.
@@monferno1 Me too, I hope that is what they go with.
How cool would it be if in a future DK game, DK meets with his father, a grown up Junior, aged somewhere between DK and Cranky?
that's never going to happen
@@terrysyvertson9205 sad but true but I wonder if did show up if he be bitter about basically being forgotten since cranky loves to complain about the old days
@@terrysyvertson9205 why it sounds like a good idea???????
@@terrysyvertson9205 shut up
in a series like Mario, forgotten characters are bound to happen lol
Yeah we had Koopa kid, DK Jr, and Baby Wario all be forgotten.
@@cdawg4021 baby Wario doesn’t count lmao
DK Jr was added in Mario kart tour
@@sideeswipe And he didn't get the draft for Mario Super Sluggers, but Baby DK did!
Yeah, they add new characters so often it's like Sonic
I wish Wart and Tatanga appeared in more games to add more villains than just bowser.
Maybe Wart could be Bowser’s echo fighter in smash (just replace the fire with bubbles) and Tatanga could be Bowser Jr’s echo fighter.
Agreed!! One of the things I liked about the older Mario RPGs was that they weren't afraid to change up the Mario formula from time to time and even include non-Bowser Big Bads like Cackletta, Fawful, Smithy and Grodus. If Wart and Tatanga were to reappear in the Mario series, they could bring a lot to the table.
I could see Tatanga happening, but there’s no need for Wart since he only appears in subcon alongside birdo, shy guy and most others.
Tatanga's down special can be Bomb Koopas instead of Mechakoopas
DK Jr would be a cool character to add to Smash, as like a Pichu or Young Link for Donkey Kong:
1) It’d be another Donkey Kong series character.
And 2) Maybe they could change DK’s moveset and use DK Jr as a way to preserve his current moveset.
Yeah, but why the hell would be him and not, You know, Dixie
@@bruh_dah_ very true. We need more relevant characters who are absent, rather than irrelevant characters.
I just thought I’d share, since the video topic was about forgotten characters 🤷♂️
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Because Jr was one of the first kongs in the series, and the first Kong protagonist as well. Not to mention a huge Nintendo icon from the arcade, NES and G&W times as well.
@@carsonharbin yeah that's true, i just think smash is a way too extreme of a game for someone that haven't even appeared in his own franchise
@@bruh_dah_ ice climbers though
The doing away with Paper Mario's "good individuals of normally enemy species" is a tremendous loss imo. Not only did it make the cast of those games more interesting, but it reflects how irl, there's both kind people and assholes alike in every population. Nintendo taking this uniform stance on the enemy character designs after getting that before just feels wrong in more ways than one.
Plus, we got some loveable and memorable characters, with those designs, and to see them only now being possible mentions (bit of a stretch on that one, though) is such a shame.
That's not really what they did at all, the designs just can't be edited as much.
The Koopa racers in odyssey are perfectly good koopas who just like to race, and even paper mario had stuff like the wiggler in sticker star and the bob-omb in origami king
So Nintendo being completely simple compared to the ambitious GameCube era, is like Sega being afraid of making an ambitious game BC of a repeat of Sonic 06.
Even though Sonic 06 was just Sonic Adventure 3 anyways.
@@BrendanJSmith Even though it brought in returning characters in addition to new ones, in my eyes for Adventure 3 there would be no Rouge, no Shadow in, just hew guys that had anything to do with the Emeralds that happens to be tied to Chaos.
This is a funny comment to see 10 months after in light of frontiers dropping sdkpcovmf
I’d really love to see Wart and even Tatanga come back, since Mario games are so attached to using either Bowser or a one-time villain, heck the only time I can think of that wasn’t the case was with Fawful, and people fell in LOVE with him. I kinda get why Koopa Kid and the Koopa Kids were cut, since people already have trouble with Bowser Jr. vs Baby Bowser, and with those two and the Koopalings, throwing in another scenario like Toad and Yoshi where there’s “character that’s named after their species” on TOP of that would get way too confusing, but it’d still be nice to see him playable in some spin-offs or as generic NPCs/background characters every now and then. Same with Donkey Kong Jr., and don’t say him being DK’s dad makes the timeline not work, because you and I both know that half the Mario Kart roster is babies anyways.
What about, Vaati from the legend of zelda series ? He litterally became a god and nearly killed zelda . Unlike, Mort or DK Jr. Where they at least get mentions in games . I dare you or anyone to find 1 cameo of Vaati in any smash bros , or nintendo game . Vaati is by far the character Nintendo want's people to forget about an it sucks .
I was hoping Tatanga came back in the second mario movie
Im actually kinda surprised that you never brought up the entire Super Mario RPG cast. I know its a one off game but Boshi, The Smithy Gang, Mallow and Geno, All great characters that really did broaden the Mario universe. I feel Nintendo has fallen in to the same issues that the western entertainment industry had fallen in to No innovation with new characters, stories, and IP's. I miss the expanded world of Mario. If anything those random new characters made the Mario world deeper than just Mario, Peach and Bowser when you look at it even now Main stays such as Yoshi and Wario are being pushed off to the side for the main 3.
Yeah definitely a lot of interesting characters there but I believe most aren't seen too often because of legal issues with who owns them, kinda different reasoning than most of the others in this one. Could be an interesting topic for the future though!
Super Mario RPG characters aren't used because they are partially owned by Square as well. Meaning Nintendo has to get permission from Square Enix everytime they want to use them. They did it once with Geno making a cameo in the GBA release of Superstar Saga, but otherwise Nintendo just can't be arsed to do it.
Yamauchi caused the downfall of SMRPG; he really ruined Square's (SquareSoft at the time) relationship with them along with potential future SMRPG games. After Square merged with Enix, it made things more complicated and worse. If the SMRPG characters were owned or bought out by Nintendo, we probably would've gotten a lot of SMRPG games, Geno and Mallow being in Mario spin-offs or even as playable characters in Smash (with Geno probably being as early as Brawl since Sakurai wanted Geno as a playable character in Brawl).
I think this is also the case with the M&L RPG characters like Cackletta, Prince Peasley, Midbus, etc., we only see them in those games because they were likely made and owned by AlphaDream, and Nintendo doesn't want to bother getting the rights to them.
@@Teknanam Square and Nintendo have been slowly making up. I hope they remake or do a Mario RPG 2. The RPG mechanics are missing.
@@andrew8168 A true sequel to SMRPGLOTSS would be amazing.
The Paper Mario titles are good, don't get me wrong but... They just aren't sequels.
For the Koopa Kids, it's more of an copyright issues probably. They're made by Hudson Soft which created the Mario party during the N64 and Gamecube era which they were existing, they disappeared after Mario Party 9 where it was made by Nd Cube. Mario party superstar is still made by Nd Cube which is probably one of the reason why Bowser Jr is plastered on Koopa Kid since Kid was an Hudson Soft character. I guess Nintendo could maybe buy them but there kinda no reason to since Bowser Jr exist...
I think Hudson soft merged with Konami.
Koopa Kids do appear in ND Cube games, as cameos
There were also missing in MP8, a game made by Hudson Soft.
Bruh you're talking out of your ass with that line of logic just like people claiming Hudson "owned" the old board system in Mario Party when those idiots were outright shown to be dead wrong last year
ND Cube is comprised of mostly former Hudson Soft employees so the original devs of Mario Party never really left per se. I'm not too sure it's a copyright issue in this case considering this isn't what happened with Mario RPG characters like Geno or Mallow, but more along the lines of what happened with the characters made for Donkey Kong. Nintendo fully owns the Kremlings and K. Rool and have used them in non-Rare games, they just decide not to use them very often for whatever reason. While Hudson Soft did originally develop the games and have since been acquired by Konami, Koopa Kid is probably in a very similar boat to the Kremlings, but unfortunately gets phased out due to functioning as a similar role to Jr. which sucks.
Well they brought back Pauline. Anything is possible. I just want Wart to come back so bad.
He only appears in the dreams so appearing outside of that kind of demolish the concept.
@@the-point-bearer6689 wrong comment, this one is about pauline not wart
A Metroid game will take place in a dream, and we'll get to fight space-lord Wart.
@@Swagpion no, the comment IS actually about Wart.
It makes sense 😳 She's too popular to be forgotten
Though I found it strange that our time Donkey Kong would kidnap her on the Mario vs Donkey Kong series. I just wish we could play as Pauline as we can with Peach, Daisy and Rosalina
Fun fact: in the adventures of Super Mario Bros 3 King Koopa says in one episode " I'm Bowser Koopa King Koopa to you"
In all fairness to Donkey Kong Jr., at this point, he’s mainly just something to represent Nintendo’s arcade days. Anytime we see him now, it’s to pay homage to their pre-NES days in the arcades.
I hate to be blunt, but Donkey Kong Jr. should have made no 3D appearances.
@@GardevoirBoy1991 Why say it like that? Don’t you mind when DK Jr. is referenced or given homages in later games?
@@GardevoirBoy1991 I think that’s a very cynical way of looking at it.
@@benmalsky9834 We have Diddy Kong. He's like Dk Jr. but looks so much better. Seeing Diddy Kong now, it makes sense why Nintendo chose him over Diddy Kong Jr. Speaking about cynical, remember what happened to Daisy back in the 1990s? Daisy looked too similar to Peach in Mario Land that many people forgot she was a different character. Too similar to Peach, Daisy suffered an identity crisis for one decade and had no playable appearances prior to the new millennium with Mario Tennis on the Nintendo 64. As it turns out, Wario plotted Daisy's kidnapping so he can take the spotlight away from Daisy. Most people didn't care about Daisy back in the 90s because they thought that Daisy was Peach's tomboyish doppelganger in her earlier gaming appearances. This is because Daisy and Peach's earlier designs didn't look much different from each other. I'll admit it, Princess Daisy is more of Peach's tomboyish semi-clone rather then her doppelganger.
Bruh.
This guy forgot that Bowser was originally CALLED King Koopa before Mario World, just as Peach was called Princess Toadstool before Mario 64.
Facts
Mario was originally Jumpman
*signs*
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In canon, wouldn’t DK Jr be the modern Donkey Kong’s father or uncle, since Jr is the son of the original DK, who is Cranky Kong
cranky is the one from 1980
@@Engifarting456 That's what I said
@@harshal1153 i though it was a question
yes, DK Jr is the father of modern DK
If I had a nickle for every TH-camr who explained that Mario 2 was based on Doki Doki Panic...
Wart should have reappeared in Mario and Luigi: Dream Team. Wart is a dream character so he can only appear in dreams. Dream team as far as I know was the only other game based on dreams.
a 30 minute video of DK Junior and Koopa Kid, let me grab the popcorn
I love how on the Thumbnail DK Jr. has the Megamind “No Bitches?” Face lmao.
I rented Donkey Kong Country on the SNES years ago. There was an elderly kong on the world map who would complain about various things when you spoke to him. I always imagined that the elderly kong was actually the original Donkey Kong and the one you play as was DK Jr himself who had now grown into adulthood.
Nope, the DK you play as is the grandson of the eldery Kong, who is the one in Donkey Kong 81.
Its actually even weirder. Apparently DK junior is older than DK that you play as
@@jojoprocess2820 is he funky kong?
0:04 you can NEVER have too much Rosalina. I say, the more we see of Rosalina, the better.
Not when you see the whole mushroom kingdom running a train on her
Actually, in the instruction manual, it says that Mario dreamed of this place and the next day, during a pick-nick with Peach, Toad and Luigi, he finds a path to it in real life. So it might be a dream world but there's a path between the two worlds so Wart could come back.
And also about Birdo appearing despite being first met in the Dream World. Don't we usually dream about people we know?
He didn't dream of Birdo. He just dreamed of entering the place. Then the next day with the crew, he found and entered the place just like in his dream. And then he met Birdo while adventuring into this world.
@@Oceane1803 Oh, okay. Maybe I'm bit too tired to read properly. I remember that thing as well now you that mentioned it.
@@nousukas Oh really ? That's interesting. Most people don't know about the instruction manual's story and assume that the entire game is a dream because of the ending. So it's cool that you know ^^
@@Oceane1803 I checked and it says so also in the intro of the nes version.
Let’s talk about a game that’s making history
Me who has never heard of it: 😐
Ya that was majorly embarrassing throwing the ad mid way through the video, lost respect for him
@@sideeswipe you lost respect for him over him getting a sponsorship…? Sponsorships help creators keep making great content for us to watch for free. He makes great content and I don’t think him making money from sponsors is a bad thing at all. I’m glad his channel is growing.
@@matjb He could’ve put I at the beginning of the video like every other creator instead of integrating it into the video ruining the flow of the video and taking advantage of the watcher’s interest in the topic and then shoving some garbage mobile game down our throats for two minutes
@@sideeswipe Considering it’s a 27 minute video and the sponsorship ad is within the first minute, it is at the beginning.
@@matjb
First of all, the ad was after the 1 minute 30 second mark, not within the first minute. Second, it was still after the ACTUAL content of the video, that being Mario characters that were purged from Nintendo history. It's not at the beginning of the video just because it's within a certain arbitrary time frame.
Donkey Kong Jr is literally just our current Donkey Kong. The Donkey Kong in the old game is now Kranky Kong. I’m pretty certain this is canon.
That's what I've been saying for years, but people say it's not canon. It's obvious that Cranky was the original DK and DK Jr. is the current DK.
Actually Rare mentioned that Donkey Kong Jr is current DK's dad and Cranky Kong is current Donkey Kong's grandfather.
@@theenigma9237 someone did have a good point tho if that was cranky kong how come mario and pauline arent old it just doesnt make sence
@@Nathan-Explosion Supposedly animals age faster than humams.
@@Nathan-Explosion valid point
Nintendo also doesn't like their IPs tampered with anymore and it was really disappointing to see the unique Toad with the crystal ball at the mini game house be replaced with Kemek :/
Same with the unique Toads in the Options house and Bank being replaced with a Shy Guy and the Bank Toads being replaced as well...
Both Hudson and before Nintendo gave them directions, Intelligent Systems, made unique creative IPs that were all scrapped at one point and this could have also been the demise of the Koopa Kids as well, not just to ease the confusion for a younger audience about Bowser Jr. being Bowser's son
Edit: Sorry. You went over that right after I commented lol
I feel that Nabbit is stupidly underrated. He's my favorite mario character
He's in Wonder now.
Nintendo owns their own Infinity Gauntlet: they snapped their fingers and a good chunk of the older characters are (essentially) gone.
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My headcannon for DK junior is that he's meant to be a younger version of the DK we play as in country. While cranky kong could actually be the OG Donkey kong from the original arcade game. Of course this is just a theory but it would be really cool if it was true.
The weird thing is that it seems like your idea was what Nintendo & Rare were originally going for, as Cranky was previously stated to be DK's father, but was later retconned as Cranky being DK's grandpa, making Jr DK's dad. And then there's DK Jr 2 (who I assume is DK Jr's sibling) who is completely forgotten
edit: upon further research, the father thing might have been an error by a dev. Although no one seems to be sure
@@arcticdino1650 But, why Pauline and Mario looks so younger than Cranky Kong?
@@goldshell9992 gorillas have a shorter lifespan than humans
That’s not a head canon, that’s straight up canon
@@Klausbro no it's not
I think Wart could be Yoshi's new arch enemy, DK has K Rool so Wart could be like Yoshi's bowser expy, since his games have a storybook aesthetic it would make sense to have a villain that would only appear in dreams, maybe Wart is creating nightmares so that he can create a bridge to the physical world and Yoshi needs to stop him. It sounds like something they would do.
I'm glad that Rosalina is a recurring character. I was worried that she would be just a one-off character for Super Mario Galaxy, but they kept her around as a mainstay, and I couldn't be happier about that. She's easily the best character in the Mario series.
No
@@Macarow what character in the Mario franchise has a bigger backstory than Rosa? She’s the most relatable character in the franchise, she’s had the most character development out of any of the Mario cast?
@@Macarow I wasn't asking.
She's so overhyped and bland
@@mettatonex7221 And i just disagree
15:31 I always loved Koopa Kid's taunting dance. It looked like he was putting some deodorant into his armpits.😂
With donkey Kong jr sadly Nintendo cannon says cranky was the OG DK, jr was his son, and the current DK, is jr's son (Cranky's grandson)
That’s exactly what I thought so I was surprised he didn’t mention it. Cause technically dk jr is still there, in fact he’s the main characters
I like Mario but a massive problem it has it that it’s so obsessed with playing it safe that they’re scared to make new characters
REAL new characters not like a talking hat that’s only there as part of the theme, like a real new character
Actually in DKC Cranky Kong makes several references to himself being the original Donkey Kong (in the arcades), implying that DK in DKC could be DK jr.
In the Donkey Kong Country promo VHS, it was explained that Donkey Kong was actually Donkey Kong Jr, and Cranky was the original Donkey Kong. According to developers at the time, the character wasn't forgotten - he just grew up and became the DK we know today. Meaning Cranky was DK in the first two/three games, and DK jr took over after that.
Well that’s when your wrong because DK Jr is actually modern DK’s father as a child hence why it doesn’t make any sense to put DK Jr in any future games
Theory: Wart is actually the dream demon of Nintendo
I love Tatanga from Super Mario Land, we've seen only animal like villain before it but now Mario is fighting with alien on large spaceship, it's cool.
I wanted him return in Galaxy series, he would fit but that wasn't the case, unfortunately.
DK Jr and Koopa Kid have nothing wrong about them and I still don’t get why Nintendo disliked them
DK jr is just DK now so that’s probably why
Might get him in a baby Mario based gage or something but it would be like baby bowser
Maybe Koopa Kids exclusion was to clear up the confusion with all the other Koopa (people mix up Baby Bowser, Bowser Jr and the Koopalings quite a lot)
@@jmurray1110 If that true than why Mario and Pauline look like they in they middle age, while Cranky Kong in his old age? People say that he's the original Donkey Kong.
DK Jr is a K.Rool supporter and the Koopa Kids commit tax fraud
@@jmurray1110 wrong, the current donkey kong is not donkey kong jr., the current donkey kong is donkey kong the 3rd, donkey kong jr. was supposed to appear as an adult in the gameboy game donkey kong land but was cut
The coin cougher went through multiple iterations before it reached its final design. I feel like these characters are a similar case.
As a kid playing these games I definitely DID get confused with the absence of Bowser Jr in some of those Mario parties especially knowing they released after Sunshine. I was like “wtheck is the koopa kids”
I really really loved the Koopa Kids and its really sad to see them just vanish from existence. I think it should be handled so that the Koopa Kids are for Mario Party and the Koopalings/Bowser Jr. are there for every other game
Nintendo don't own the rights to koopa kids.
@@INFERNO95 then who does?
@@memeeater420 Konami who own Hudson soft.
For Wart, I'd love to see some sort of character development similar to Bowser. Over the years, Bowser has gone from -just- the king of the Koopa Kingdom. He's reached galactic overlord levels. He's become a major threat to more than just the Mushroom Kingdom. Maybe Wart has been in hiding to become some sort of dark wizard of the dreamscape (that still manages to choke on vegetables). Maybe he's been learning and practicing the dark magic to invade people's dreams and trap them in a never-ending nightmare. It could even have references to Antasma.
For DKJR I always kept forgetting the tidbit of information relating that Cranky is the GRANDFATHER of Donkey Donk and not a father, believing that Konkey Dong is actually DKJR grown up. With that information, it's a little more believable to say that Donkey Bonkey is the son of DK JR.
To be fair, dk jr is the current donkey kongs father
Videa Idea- Why was Foreman Spike an equally erased character as DK Jr. and Wart, got to be revived by nintendo for the upcoming mario movie? Was it just cause the role he filled in the games he appeared in? or is there something more? Maybe something similar to what nintendo did with Pauline in Odyssey to make another marketable icon in the roaster?
Tbh the case for Donkey Kong Jr is depressing as hell.
The character was one of the very first Nintendo icons in the gaming industry and had a whole legacy to him until Rare screwed it all up by doing things their own way and dissing what Miyamoto built up. He most certainly would’ve been one of the biggest Nintendo all-stars by now had they respected the source material and made DK Jr the player 2 of Donkey Kong Country as it was initially planned.
Rare got sold to Microsoft and that's why banjo kazooie and conker and other characters were part of Xbox. Although banjo kazooie were allowed to join smash bros.
@@davidthompson5319
And what the hell does that have to do with the op?
@@malhaomalhoa7486 DK Jr was functionally gone long before Diddy showed up and did (hue) it better.
@@KruelAidMan
Donkey Kong 94 was literally released the same year as Diddy debuted lmfao
@@malhaomalhoa7486 _DK 94_ was a remake
I can’t come up with any reason as to how or why people could confuse king k rool & bowser for Wart.
One is a dragon turtle thing
One is a crocodile or alligator don’t remember, and it has a giant gold stomach & chest.
Wart looks like a frog with claws so again I can’t think of any reason to how you would confuse wart for bowser/ K rool. 😬
Edit - it’s like how people were getting sonic & shadow mixed up. 😬😬😬
Some other forgotten characters are DK Jr 2 (the pink one from the math game) and Bowser's brother (a character with a confusing history of the official stance on them going back and forth between "He's not even real" to "He's his brother" to "He IS real but we can't make up our minds")
That wouldn't happen to be the blue imposter Bowser I've heard of, is it?
@@edwardnygma8533 Yes, the ones from Lost Levels.
*@Arctic Dino*
There's also Boshi and Croco from the _Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars_ video game who have seem to been forgotten by Nintendo as they had *_never, EVER_* appeared in a single Nintendo video game since then!
@@edwardnygma8533 Haha you said the word "imposter"
Get ready for unfunny memes
@@randocalzone8772 Yet you're the only one to have mentioned it.
I used to think when Donkey Kong Country came out that Donkey Kong in the game was Junior grown up and Cranky was the first Donkey Kong. That just made sense to me and my friends in school. I know I'm wrong now but, it was kind of fun trying to come up with our own explanations back then.
I'm sure someone else has said this, but the Donkey Kong that we know today *is* DK Jr, with the original DK growing old and retiring, becoming Cranky Kong.
Which all brings up the question, why did Donkey Kong keep getting new villains?
Because fukin' Kensuke Tanabe infecting DK, Paper Mario, and everything he touches with New-itis, a disease that causes sequels to a game and its characters to be drastically changed up for no reason other than because it's NEW (unless it's an ass combat system like Paper Mario's after Sticker Star).
Adding something new
Also, I'm so sick and tired of people going "Oh, ThEy ChAnGeD iT, tHeReFoRe It'S bAd!" Really, not all changes are bad.
Personally I feel they could've kept Koopa Kid and kept him as a Mario Party series only character. Worst case scenario they could've had him be a "relative" of Bowser's that loves parties and creating mischief
9:16 i remember i used to think Donkey Kong Jr. was Diddy Kong lol
i spent years until i realized he's not
I'm going to be forever bummed out that the koopalings are not Bowser's kids anymore. Roy calling Bowser "King Dad" will always be my favorite.
The modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. and the original DK is Cranky Kong which why Rare made Diddy Kong to be his nephew and part of the DK family. King K. Rool was inspired by Wart in and Rare made an alligator type enemy instead of a frog.
K Rool was inspired by Wario not Wart
The current Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong Jr. He didn't go away, he grew up
no he isnt. nintendo confirmed in 2017 that modern DK is DK Jr's son, making cranky the grandfather and the original arcade DK.
@@MasterOfTruck No it isn't, that thing you said didn't happen. They've never said shit about Donkey Kong Jr.
@@orsonzedd my other comment disappeared so im saying it again. you can literally look it up. playing with super power: nintendo super nes classics eguide, page 112.
@@MasterOfTruck unless you got proof you're wrong
@@orsonzedd i literally gave you your proof. even down to the EXACT page where that information is given
Great video. I wish Nintendo used their forgotten characters more like Geno and the ones you talked about one day in another game but that’s unlikely to happen. And I also kinda find it hard to be leave that we can’t get original Mario character again because there were a lot of new characters in Super Mario Odyssey, Luigis Mansion 3, and even Mario and Rabbids 1 and 2.
The Koopa Kids should have been in Mario Party Superstars
I hope some forgotten characters come back in some form.
Pauline managed to come back in a big way after recurring in the Mario VS Donkey Kong games and then blowing up in popularity with Odyssey.
Foreman Spike will probably become more popular again after he appears in the movie.
I really wish Nintendo would allow for a game with a more expanded cast. Maybe a new RPG series that's not afraid to draw from the deep well that is the franchise's cast of characters. Finally actually give characters like Waluigi something to do in a game's story, return past characters that have been forgotten, draw from different sub-franchises (main series, past RPGS like M&L, Paper Mario or even 7 Stars if they can work with Square, sports games, Mario Party, Doki Doki Panic/Super Mario Bros 2, Mario Land, Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi games, Donkey Kong games, Wario Land, WarioWare, Dr. Mario, etc.). But it seems they are mostly very protective and conservative with their IP for the most part nowadays...
this video jumps around in time so much its hard to keep track but other than that it was very entertaining
Dope vid! Kinda surprised that you didn't bring up the canonical issues regarding DK Jr. though. Cranky Kong was already stated to be the original DK. That by proxy would make DK Jr. the more common DK's father as opposed to his son. So it wouldn't make sense for DK's dad to be tagging along in the form of a toddler. Rare would have to come up with a logical explanation on why.
when DKC first came out, the vhs promo originally said that DK Jr was the DK we played as, only grown up. it wasnt confirmed by nintendo until 2017 that DK Jr was modern DK's father, making cranky the grandfather. which subsequently retconned playing as DK Jr in the original DKC games.
Some theorized that DK jr is the DK we know today and that Cranky Kong is, well was the original DK
Some sources including guides and games have stated that Cranky IS the OG DK, but he is stated to be modern DK's grandfather (which is weird since he apparently was stated to be his father originally, but got retconned)
Would be cool if DK Jr was DK tho
I want to see Wart as the boss of the next Mario game.
I wont even mind him to Just make a cameo .
He appears often in Nintendo's second most loved franchise,Zelda,soo It would make sense for him to come back in a Mario game
Interesting to hear the lore about sunset wilds. Great video !
Actually, I believe the manual implies that Donkey Kong Jr. is actually Donkey Kong in the Donkey Kong Country series. You know how Cranky talks about how he once a big video games star? That's the original DK games. So Jr. hasn't actually been erased from history. He grew up.
As a 15 year old Mario fan (also artist), I understand this demographic very well, the way you explained it to me. I think the old three Paper Mario games were WAY better than the modern ones we know now. It seems Nintendo is running out of ideas about making original PM characters, which is quite upsetting, and I think they should bring back the old PM partners as well (and the rest of the unique characters). Last year I got SPM for Christmas and it was a VERY good game, I loved it! I'm planning on getting Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, and Paper Mario. That's it from me, have a nice day!
Also, one more thing, I'm sicken tired of these generic Toads they constantly put on Paper Mario! GAH!
I think they are still going with the idea of donkey Kong Jr being DK and cranky Kong as the original DK arcade as that is basically the lore of dkc, despite the fact that they changed his design in the DS Yoshi's Island, I don't think they're planning to make Yoshi's Island DK Cannon, I'm saying this because something tells me they're making cranky Kong as the original DK in the upcoming Mario movie and DK Jr as the donkey Kong we know today. DK Jr being our donkey Kong I believe is still an open door
Cranky Kong is Donkey Kong's grandpa, so that must mean Donkey Kong Jr is Donkey Kong's dad.
DK jr: you took everything from me.
Diddy Kong: I don’t even know who you are.
Fastastic video. I like the music choices a lot. Great stuff.
Appreciate it :)
The original dk is cranky while dk Jr is cannonacly our dk we know and love today
DK Jr is modern DK's father. Cranky (original DK) is modern DK's grandfather. Jr being DK's father was confirmed by nintendo in 2017.
I totally thought that jr. was the only biological son of bowser, and the koopalings were adopted
they are. not sure where this guy is getting some of the information. **adopted that is.
Makes kinda sense for most of them being removed, cause yes, for each one of them there exists a surperior replacer.
Ask the sonic fans how annoying it can get to constantly get new characters.
Keeping a fixed roster keeps people connected to the characters.
From what I've heard, when Rare was still working with Nintendo, there was an unspoken rule that Diddy Kong belonged to Rare (even though legally, Nintendo owned the character) and that's why DK Jr still showed up in games like Mario Tennis. It was only after Rare was bought by Microsoft, that Nintendo embraced Diddy.
As for Koopa Kid, I can't help but wonder if NDcube taking over the Mario Party series had anything to do with his disappearance. Granted, various staff that had worked on the Hudson-developed Mario Party games now work at NDcube, but considering their first game was Mario Party 9, clearly some big changes were being made
5:21 I think comparing a recurring character like Birdo and a character like Wart is an interesting one. I think the main difference between Wart and all of the other characters in Mario 2 is that Wart is one guy. Birdos, Shy Guys, Ninjis, etc, are all part of a species. Meanwhile, we only know of one Wart, and it happens that one Wart is in games about dreams. We know there are similar Bowser like characters like the Koopa Kids and Bowser Jr, but there's still only 1 Bowser, and he exists outside of the dreamscape.
but...there's also only one birdo...I mean...It always looked like there was only one
@@phantom9831 Birdo is a whole species
@@16BitKamek okay, well now i know ahah, thanks
@@16BitKamek
Birdo is a singular character, there's a birdo species yes but there's also a main individual one that's pink
@@Quinhala11 Yeah, just like Yoshi. The main Yoshi is green
Though the Paper Mario case is guilty of Double Standards.
While there is this "no alteration rule" in Paper Mario, other types of games had a lot more breathing room for character design.
Like Captain Toad, or various new races in Super Mario Odyssey.
Fans wouldn't have been as annoyed with the recycling of faces if Paper Mario was allowed as much leeway as Mario & Luigi, Galaxy or Odyssey.
It's like if Nintendo was being overtly picky with Paper Mario in particular, to the point where some of those games made the 3D platformer's plots look deep until Origami King.
By now, it seems that Nintendo doesn't even think of Paper Mario as an RPG anymore.
And with Mario & Luigi seemingly dead as a franchise, there are currently no games to fill in the RPG gap.
you can blame Shigeru Miyamoto for that one he says there can not be two mario RPG's. shigeru miyamotto says he dislikes original character designs that are not his since it ruins some mario games iconic character popularity you know for marketing Nintendo games.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 But now there *ARE* no Mario RPGs.
He better find a solution to this problem as soon as possible.
And the way he says it sounds a bit too much like "I don't want the new faces to steal the spotlight", which is self-defeating because it leads to those rare new faces to be *EVEN MORE LIKELY* to steal the spotlight for the sole reason that they stand out from the cookie-cutter designs.
This video was INSANELY entertaining to watch!
Glad you’re branching out more from just smash bros content. Love your channel!
One of the 9 Famicon first party titles from 1983 was a Popeye game that taught English. The only other game in that education series.s
When you don't own the rights to a character there nothing you can do about it.
@@INFERNO95 I don't imagine it would have been very popular in the United States anyway.
Nice Renders!
Fun Fact: The Donkey Kong from the old games were Cranky Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. Is the Donkey Kong we all know today. (So Junior just grew up! :)
I can't believe Bowser Jr brutally murdered the koopa kids in cold blood at the beginning of Mario Party 8
I do remember these forgotten characters, if only they returned...
Thank you for reaffirming that Paper Mario truly is dead.
as it should be
@@terrysyvertson9205 Fair point. At least if the series ended at Super, it would have gone off on a high note.
@@googamp32 and maybe the Mario and Luigi series would still be alive. God damn you, paper jam
I actually own a copy of Mario party advance on my sister’s old GBASP, which is how I actually know of the koopa kids. It’s sad that they decided to leave them in the dust…
I’d love to see Wart return as a Kirby villain.
Only paper mario had a bad effect from removing and simplifying characters but besides that the other characters didn't benefit for keeping since there was good replacements.
Dk junior never disappeared he grew up the dk in the original donkey Kong was actually cranky kong and dk junior is now donkey Kong at least that’s how the theory goes
I always thought Donkey Kong Jr grew up to be the Donkey Kong we knew today, and that the original DK retired.
I'm pretty sure the current incarnation of Donkey Kong is the grown up DK Jr since in the original Donkey Kong Country on SNES it is established that Cranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong.
Nintendo really needs to add gamecube, wii, and wii u to switch by 2024
never happening
It better happen
@@theshyrabbit4 Well, depends on the future