Why Characters Got Cut: Super Smash Bros. Melee - Casualties of the Crunch
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The biggest part of the Super Smash Bros. speculation scene is trying to guess which characters will make the cut, however not everyone's favorites are so lucky. So in the next episode of our new series, join NantenJex as he explains why certain characters just missed their chance to be playable in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
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Sources:
Solid Snake: www.n-sider.com/contentview.ph...
Sonic: sourcegaming.info/2016/03/25/...
Mach Rider: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
Takamaru: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
Ayumi Tachibana: • Video
Famicom Detective Club moveset: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
Ice Climbers Melee page: sourcegaming.info/2015/09/09/m...
James Bond: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
Banjo & Kazooie: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
No more characters: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
Ness Melee page: sourcegaming.info/2016/01/04/...
Sukapon: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
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If James Bond made it into smash, it would have changed the character selection process forever.
Just imagine what his final smash would be. 🤪
Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if it involved pulling the entire arsenal of weapons from Goldeneye 64 out of hammer space and firing them at the opposing characters. 😂
Iron man in smash be like
Movie characters for smash
I always imagined it as being him performing the gunbarrel sequence.
@@Jolis_Parsec He’d jump in the tank from the ‘Streets’ level and roll across the stage, crushing anyone unfortunate enough to be in its way.
Melee: Can't include Sonic since its too late into development
Brawl: Delays the entire release date just to put Sonic into the game
Oh how the times have changed
They wanted SSBM at around GameCube’s release while SSBB released after Wii’s launch, so they had no problem delaying that
I would rather have Sonic released at the start of Sm4sh so his moveset could have been made better....I still somewhat disappointed that they haven't changed it yet....
Y’all need to watch “Sakurai when designing Sonic in Brawl”
th-cam.com/video/IOcQD04-0yw/w-d-xo.html
IM DEADASS
Sonic also could've been voiced by Ryan Drummond in Melee. Such a waste. Wario also could have had a Wario Land moveset.
Imagine going to an alternate universe and all you bring back is a Melee copy with a playable James Bond.
And people thought Snake was unfitting.
I would love to be that person. I honestly would love to see Bond in Smash
James Bond wavedashing
A James Bond Main winning EVO 2013
Bond...... please
Man, so many things could've been done in Melee if it wasn't so rushed.
And yet, I personally believe the bulk of what we see today, talking competitively, is here extensively BECAUSE it was rushed. Imagine what would happen if more development time was given, but then as more play testing was utilized, techs like Wavedashing likely would've gotten huge nerfs - You still have the momentum, but likely they would've added frames before you were able to act leading them to be terrible to approach with.
For one Ganondorf wouldn’t suck
I always dream of Melee Wario, Dedede and Meta Knight.
@@deepcovergecko Ganondorf isn’t a brawler he’s a magician who sometimes uses quick swords or dual swords
@@KahunaLagoona
Not really. All that was not the dev's ideal of the game. That's why the PAL version of Melee is more polished and was somewhat closer to what the developers wanted. People just like a mess. :/
"Fighting doesn't embody the spirit of her (Ayumi Tachibana's) series"
*Adds in G & W, Wii Fit Trainer, and Villager*
XD
Mr game and watch literally fought off a lion with chair what are you saying
It’s a good thing Wario didn’t end up as a clone character. If he had, he’d still probably have too much of Mario’s DNA in the more recent games, just like Ganondorf is still similar to Captain Falcon after all these years.
Idk. He might have gotten the falco or luigi treatments though. I would prefer anything over the abomination wario is in smash currently. Its legit “I fart and eat because I am fat.” He barely has any thing connecting him to wario world. I think he is one of the most poorly designed characters in smash.
@@NessKwik0 He still has a lot of the Bros. DNA. Things such as BackThrow, UpSmash, DownSmash are almost Wario-fied versions of those attacks and some are either references to old moves(Wario FTilt in Brawl looks like Mario's old FSmash from 64) or are vague references(Wario UpSpecial kinda can be a reverse Tornado?).
His only WarioWare DNA seems to be his special moves, while the rest of the moveset is unique in his own "Weird Creep" cartonish way or the Wario Land shoulder tackle. It's strange he didn't end up as a clone character in Melee, he totally could be one if you remove his Special Moves and some of his unique ones.
@@MakoShiruba I would prefer that even. I was talking more Wario-Land becuase it has powers but same diff. I love wario world its one of ny favorite games. And instead of wario taking any inspiration from that he uses bike. He is gross he fart and eats. And he kinda does tornado. But even if he was a clone at least that would warrent his stupid moves. There is no reason for wario to be the way he is. He is barely even wario. Legit i dont think money even plays a role in any move he has(unless his punmel does, Havent played the ultimate in a while) i just really would have been ok with mario clone.
@@NessKwik0 I kind of feel they get Wario right from a holistic, big-picture perspective. The Wario Waft is a move you can charge up all game and then use to take the final stock really early - Wario literally steals the game from his opponents. While remaining pretty fair - Wario only gets one chance to land it - it makes you paranoid that he's going to let it rip and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. That's a fantastic way of selling the "playing dirty" concept.
@@NessKwik0 Problem is that if Wario was cloned from Mario/Luigi, then he woulda been declonified and gotten Fart, Bike and Bite later in Brawl. So your wish woulda been "half" made. Wario Land/World Wario only happens if Melee misses his Launch Window date and releases in Late 2002, possibly alongside Snake and Sonic.
Just imagine.
Ganondorf with an actual moveset reflecting him and not captain falcon
It'd be a dream come true.....However the tradeoff would be that we likely wouldn't get the "Doriyah" (his f-smash) in Ultimate. ,_,)
@@guiteshima just give it to black shadow, plus now we have kazuya to do that.
@@firenze6478 While i am mostly referring to the sound....The move itself is also very fun. Ganon just pulls a Sword out of an invisible portal to his special pocket dimension and kills you at 20%. (And hey, i there may be some magic involved for him to make a sword out of thin air lol). Unless Kazuya can also use a huge sword and shout "doriyah!". Pyra and Hero already have the sword and power....But Pyra doesn't have the "doriyah" and Hero sorta has it i guess but it's not the same. XD
Sukapon: I’m the most interesting cut content!
Wario: No I am!
Forbidden 7: AMATEURS!
It would be interesting to see what Ayumi would do for her moveset
I managed to think of something:
*B : Flashlight;* Ayumi shines a flashlight for a split second, briefly stunning fighters in a moderate area
*B + Forwards : Sun Rays;* Ayumi slowly walks forward and holds up a magnifying glass to use an angled ray of sunlight; the attack does more damage in stages that take place during the day
*B + Up : Umbrella;* Ayumi mervously opens her umbrella and gently floats down; unlike the parasols of Peach and Daisy, Ayumi's only hits once, primarily takes her down slowly, and only really moves in one direction; tilting the control stick in the opposite direction simply slows it down
*B + Down : Inspect;* Ayumi looks down upon the ground with her magnifying glass, in which case there's a 50/50 chance she'll get an item
Now for her Final Smash, assuming she returned (which she would in Ultimate):
*Final Smash: Case Closed;* Ayumi glares at up to three opponents in front of her. Any that are within her vision radius are taken into a cutscene emulating the games where Ayumi deduces all three of the opponents as the perpetrators, sending them all flying away.
@@perkilatorxiii5179
Ideas
You can walk slowly in both directions using Sun rays.
For final smash ,items increase its power
If no foe caught in it is holding an item ,it does ok damage
The more items a foe has ,the more guilty they are making the attack do more damage.
She's a more logical choice than James Bond.
Takamaru was one of my most wanted. He could've gotten the Kid Icarus treatment.
He even wanted him for Sm4sh. That is why his Assist Trophy looks exceptionally good since he got pretty far in the model development process. Same with his remix that just screams being used in a reveal trailer.
@@Medachod smash 6 I’m thinking Alucard, Chun-li, Zero, Ayumi, Mike Jones, Takamaru
Takamaru will be in some time at least Famicom detective club and castle of muramasa will be localized like shadow dragon, heck Shadow could be in smash.
11:22 "Showing Realistic Guns = No Good"
Snake and Joker: *OH NO* .... Anyways....
When King Dedede was scrapped in 64 and wasn't even considered for Melee. He had it rough until Brawl!
and I glad that he joined...also with an important role in The Subspace Emissary Story Mode to boot!
Imagine how different Dedede's moveset would be, in a alternative universe, where he joined 64 or melee?
@@JP_Soup I like to imagine things like that with a lot of characters.
Sakurai’s excuse was he didn’t want to overrepresent his own series at that time. But in these days it seems like he buries Kirby and puts Fire Emblem on a Pedestal and he deserves criticism for favoring that series instead of giving equal love to Nintendo’s lesser known and arguably underrepresented series.
Hey look on the bright side, he didn't have it as bad as Ridley.
I'm forever holding a grudge to you guys for making me imagine Mr. Sakurai sitting on the toilet- doing his thing.
Doing the standard thing of, well, thinking how Bubbles from Clu Clu Land could work without turning the match into a game of Pong minus the paddles.
@@darkstuff2744 *Pong?
@unused channel oops mb
Even gods need to poop, apparently.
If Melee had more time and less restrictions, could you imagine the characters we'd have?? I'd personally love to see Ayumi Tachibana, and I still hold out hope for her to make more of an appearance than just trophy/sticker/spirit
Can you imagine if Ayumi randomly got in now? I'd be over the moon! Glad to hear the full story of Joy Mech Fight, always been interested in that
Daaaaamn! So we have an Universe where Sukapon, Sonic, Snake and possibly Wario coulda been en Smash Bros Melee? That is insane. We also might have just had Sukapon if that darn contract coulda been found on time, on this timeline. Jeez, talk about a missed opportunity! Melee was the perfect game to introduce "Who the heck" characters, considering it's roster of Japan Only, NES Representatives and Old Nintendo History roster. And Sukapon was the perfect mixture of weird and unique characteristics too.
We could use Ayumi slapping Mario around a bit.
Big oof on how Diddy Kong was never worked on or even considered for Melee.
Maybe because his strong link with Rare?
@@Lincolnrocknroll yeah definitely.. they were still having problems with RARE during the WII era, they even removed the DKC trilogy from the wii shop for over a year.
There's also the fact that, in a prototype of Mario Kart Double Dash, Donkey Kong Jr. was intended to be playable instead of Diddy Kong, so it seems Nintendo wasn't too keen on using the characters from Donkey Kong Country back then.
tcrf.net/Proto:Mario_Kart:_Double_Dash!!/Multi-Game_Demo_Disc_Demo/Unused_or_Early_Graphics#Early_Character_Icons
At least some of them got to show up in Mario Super Sluggers.
@@TheWispGuy yea nintendo and rare definitely had problems going on back then. An Nintendo is scared to get into legal battles an they play it safe everytime. Whats funny is Diddy Kong was actually in Mario Kart 64. He was so well hidden that he wasn’t even found until this year. Diddy Kong was a Nintendo Icon in the late 90s early 2000’s.. trading Banjo Kazooie for the DKC family was worth Diddy Kong alone.
@@chrisbeach423 I think Diddy Kong wasn't part of this deal, from what I heard is actually the DK64 characters who were trade by Banjo-Kazooie
Ayumi could 100% be added, especially with how he does characters nowadays.
How I wish Nintendo had kept the Banjo-Kazooie IP.
It’s so magical that Banjo & Kazooie actually did make it into SSB later on.
Wario, Snake, and Sonic added in a game early would have changed so much. Think of the Melee tournaments with Wavedashing hedgehogs.
I think the mechanic might actually have been nerfed to hell and back if given the time to playtest more - like you still have the momentum, but lose the ability to act immediately out of using the move, kinda like Ultimate's take on directional air dodges.
*You can now fly as Wario*
I’m excited for brawl next
Source gaming when will you please make the brawl character sections soon of tell us when you will make them? pretty please it's the Christmas season
Also why is sonic not on the thumbnail?he's pretty important
@love sink 1 last one took at least a month or two to make so not for a long while especially considering Brawl had more unique characters.
@@darkstuff2744 It's being worked on as we speak and we don't want to take too long but with Christmas and New Year coming up it likely won't be till next year. We will do it as quickly as we can though!
@@NantenJex are you involved?? Narrator??! Anyways this series is amazing and keep it up please! Even if you dont get the expected views... which yall aint...this series will blow up one day. So don’t lose hope and keep working on it until smash ultimate!!!! 😊
Nintendo traded Banjo Kazooie to RARE for the extended Donkey Kong family ie:Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong etc??Thats the first i ever heard about that! I thought Banjo was RAREs property 100%?!? Either way that was a good deal.. Diddy Kong was a huge character in the late 90’s early 2000’s he was even hidden in Mario Kart 64 and was just found this year!!
Thank God Sakurai’s roster plan for Ultimate was to bring in all the cut/considered/scrapped characters
That wasn't the plan for Ultimate... While it was to bring everyone back, that isn't related to the majority of characters who do fall under that moniker
All characters who were finalized in Ultimate.
Not everyone who was cut/considered/scrapped. Or we might have Sukapon playable instead of an Assist Trophy.
@@MakoShiruba 1-Young Link (The Legend of Zelda)
2-Wolf O'Donnell (Star Fox)
3-Pichu (Pokémon)
4-Squirtle (Pokémon)
5-Ivysaur (Pokémon)
6-Ice Climbers (Ice Climber)
7-Solid Snake (Metal Gear)
Coincidentally the same number of characters as the Forbidden 7 from Brawl!
Sure, if you count spirits and that kind of stuff as part of the roster, Ultimate roster has tons of missing characters that still aren’t present to this day, even with all the dlc we got, but tbf that task would be quite literally impossible with all the license issues and work that would be required to bring the insane amount of characters that were considered at some point of the smash story, even tho I think there are a good amount of characters that could have made the cut for ultimate
I still wish Sukapon was playable, I love that game to death. Please play Joy Mech Fight if you have Switch Online, it's tons of fun-
Will do
Takamaru really would've been the perfect Eastern counterpart to go with Little Mac.
I remember after his assist trophy reveal Sakurai even said he wanted to make him playable but he was too obscure.
That *Takamaru* part just gave *Captain Falcon* the all clear for being the OG character for not getting another game but still being able to represent in *Smash.* Years later of course since *F-Zero GX* came out during *Melee.*
Gosh I want takumaru for smash.
Also I should watch the early videos.
James bond in smash would make everything different.
Ayumi Tachibana in smash is basically the exact same as Phoenix Wright if you think about it.
pretty much
Hope this video gets people to realize that Leif was never considered for Melee. Even the Fire Emblem wiki says he was on the front page, but it's just a fanmade rumor
Takamaru... one day.
And ayame
I loved the Sukapon Side Story, and I hope to see more of those type of topics in the next videos on these series
If any more of those stories, exist, that is
Damn. So Sukapon have an interesting story of how its contract was missing for 14 years and found in some dev's house.
I'm glad that this "First Assist Trophy" is actually an Assist Trophy.
I think Ayumi would've worked as a fighter if the team had enough time. She just wouldn't have a typical fighting style; here were the special moves I was thinking for her.
*B : Flashlight;* Ayumi shines a flashlight for a split second, briefly stunning fighters in a moderate area
*B + Forwards : Sun Rays;* Ayumi slowly walks forward and holds up a magnifying glass to use an angled ray of sunlight; the attack does more damage in stages that take place during the day
*B + Up : Umbrella;* Ayumi mervously opens her umbrella and gently floats down; unlike the parasols of Peach and Daisy, Ayumi's only hits once, primarily takes her down slowly, and only really moves in one direction; tilting the control stick in the opposite direction simply slows it down
*B + Down : Inspect;* Ayumi looks down upon the ground with her magnifying glass, in which case there's a 50/50 chance she'll get an item
Now for her Final Smash, assuming she returned (which she would in Ultimate):
*Final Smash: Case Closed;* Ayumi glares at up to three opponents in front of her. Any that are within her vision radius are taken into a cutscene emulating the games where Ayumi deduces all three of the opponents as the perpetrators, sending them all flying away. The attack deals 5% more damage if any of the opponents have an item.
Mach Rider:Joins super smash bros crusade
Sukapon:A modded character in Smash Flash 2 Sandbag
Damn, i wanted Takamaru:(, that pretty much kills his chances
how?
@@nore5888 i mean, even tough that was a long time ago and reason do change with the pass of time, the fact that he directly deconfirmed the characters tells me that he, potentially, does not think about it, but it's just an hypothesis
I don't know about you but I'd still like to see Ayumi Tachibana as a fighter one day. Maybe as part of Fighters Pass Vol 2. And yes, I know what Sakurai said but remember, this is the guy who said Ridley was too big.
She would not work as a dlc character. Nintendo would lose lots of money on her. She be better off as a character on the base roster.
@@INFERNO95 I mean, yeah, I'd love to see her as a base roster but hey, DLC is a fine option because 1. Alot of people purchase the fighters pass as a whole anyway and 2. Waifus sell. Look at games like FGO and Genshin Impact.
@@megamix5403 I would like to see her on the main roster but the dlc is about money and I don't see Nintendo taken a chance on her. Hopefully in the future she gets in on the main roster. You do make a good point about waifus in Japan.
I'm pretty sure that if Nintendo had released both StarTropics games in Japan, Mike Jones could have possibly joined Melee's roster!
True Bro!
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 It's a shame they refuse to acknowledge StarTropics' existence. Mike Jones has more than enough source material for a moveset, all he needs is a 3d model and a voice actor...
@@pikmino3288 I'm on Max Mittelman (Leo in Fire Emblem Fates / Fire Emblem Heroes and Saitama in One Punch Man) be Mike's VA
Sakurai: showing realistic guns = no good!
Joker: rofl
I want to be in the timeline where James Bond was added.
I really want more characters like Snake
I would rather have more characters for where soild snake is from metal gear solid and a big boss alt costume
*Sukapon* really could've paved the way for *Rayman* to get in but instead *Min Min* is the one. That's crazy.
Detective Club Part 2: The Girl in Back is tied for my favorite SNES game. I'd have adored seeing Ayumi in Melee or a later Smash game.
Damn... I actually really liked the translation of Famicom Detective Club i played 😔
one day Ayumi I’ll buy the fighters pass just for you
At least the Balloon Fighter lives on as Villager’s recovery :)
Such an underrated series!! Please keep this up!
Now with remakes incoming to Switch for 2021, Ayumi Tachibana would be playable in Ultimate.
Depends if it'll also come overseas.
She has everything going for her to appear:
-Tantei Club is a beloved series in Japan, and has cult in Western.
-She could represent the Visual Nivel genre, with the advantage of being 100% Nintendo.
-Still no a new retro character in Ultimate. Ayumi could fill that position.
-The aforementioned remakes in development.
-Sakurai is a fan of the series.
I really hope that in 2021 Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe will deign to announce the remakes. Tantei Club can't be a Japan-Only series anymore.
Probably not tbh. Still confined to Japan even with new releases and with Nintendo picking, they'd just put something more profitable in
@@darkstuff2744 Stay confined in Japan is not an excuse to not appear (Marth and Roy in Melee, Lucas in Brawl). The world is now much more globalized, so it is easier to include Japan-Only (At the time of posting this for Ayumi's case) characters.
@@musashix96 Lucas was included with the assumption that Mother 3 was being localised and FE was a large series that they wanted to give a shot. Famicom Tantei Club on the other hand is something they are apparently fine with, still being in Japan as they aren't localizing the game and as Nintendo is picking that essentially rules her out for a promo slot. That means she'd need to get in on her own merits which, when there are just so many more relevant characters, she isn't a character Nintendo would pick unless it was just them pulling what they think is the definitive joke
Sukapon potentially being a character actually gives me hope for Rayman 😮
That sukapon case makes me wonder how many weird cases there are in the legal world where someone just forgot to stamp copyright and that messed up something
Also wario with his wario land moveset is still a tragic loss but at the same time, I feel like FE and mewtwo did kinda deserve it more
One example is the film ‘Night of the Living Dead’. It was originally going to be named ‘Night of the Flesh Eaters’, but the title was changed at the last minute - when they changed the name, they forgot to add copyright notices into the film’s credits, and so when it was released it went straight into the public domain. They had remembered to put the copyright notices into the credits when it had its original title, so if they hadn’t changed the name they would’ve kept the rights.
how funny would it have been if James Bond made it into N64 smash and... come Ultimate, he appears in the "EVERYONE IS HERE!" trailer. LMAO
James Bond would’ve paved the way for the whole 4th party rep concept, the likes of Goku, Shrek, Optimus Prime, SpongeBob, Superman, & more would have changed everything in the history of Smash Bros itself!!!!
If I was to include Takamaru, he'd totally have Sephiroths Up-B, reflect down-B, Mii Swordsman Shuriken neutral B and side b would be.....like fox/falcos side b but it stuns momentarily ala ZSS' paralyser
In this day and age the fan requested characters could meet the rule of reaching Sakurai easily though; as he is on social media.
Absolutely love your work and dedication! It makes my day! Hello from Québec! 🤩
I'm rewatching this video because of the recent Ayumi rumours
It could I mean Sakurai said Ridley was to big to get in and he eventually got in and the game was released overseas so that's a plus
Ayumi Tachibana has a way better chance now than ever
Well... maybe she would've been if we were still talking about base game... But hey, it could maybe happen in a third Fighter Pass or the next game
I would’ve given my soul for James Bond
Welp, with that explanation for Ayumi, guess Phoenix Wright will never see that envelope.
I can't jump into the dev team's heads, but Villager and Isabelle's prominence in Smash Bros. perhaps show that they're a bit more lenient with "non-traditional" combatants. Don't lose hope.
Considering Marvel Vs Capcom 3... I don't know...
Now considering how we haven't had a new Phoenix Wright game since 2017 on the 3DS and even that was a Japanese exclusive focusing on Phoenix's ancestor and not him - as Spirit of Justice was in 2016...
These guys did say relevancy was a big factor in why characters get chosen - it's practically the main reason why Issac from Golden Sun isn't (and likely given how there's no Golden Sun in sight: Never) a playable character in Smash Bros.
Well, Sakurai said he wanted her in but he thought that the fans would be dissapointed, in Phoenix's case, the fans want him in, so the big problem for Ayumi isn't a problem for Phoenix
12:43 That Wario Land 3 soundtrack!
I actually have a whole video that's 4 years old on why I wanted Sukapon in future smash games. I'm glad he's getting recognized as an assist trophy in Ultimate and I love his consideration of Melee before getting cut. He's very obscure but I love it
If there was a character In melee i would want it would be Wario .
His moveset would be completely different, since WarioWare didn’t exist yet and that’s where most of his moves come from. I’d be interested to see that alternate reality.
Also it’d be cool to see Ganondorf not being added as a clone and getting added as a unique character in Brawl instead.
@@HJHawley7677 Actually, aside from the bike, none of Wario's moves in Smash are from WarioWare. The only thing they took from Ware is his outfit and his choppy animation style.
@@HJHawley7677 Nothing about Wario is from Ware aside from the Bike and some shenanigans like Bite and Fart.
Most of his moveset is original or is clonefied/wariofied versions of the Bros moveset. The only thing Land related is the Shoulder Tackle, which either the dash attack or Wario's Forward Smash attack.
@@MakoShiruba Not even the Fart - as that kind of stuff was part of the promotional material for the Wario Land series - albeit mostly in the Japanese side of things.
It's one of the reasons why Miyamoto stated that why Wario (and Waluigi) weren't in NSMBWii and why they chose two Toads.
"Mario and Luigi are the same as always, of course, and suggestions for the other two characters included Wario and Waluigi, Toad, and Princess Peach. The thing is that with Wario he'd need to have a fart attack, Peach would have to be able to fly with her skirt, and so on. With this game we wanted every character to play the same way."
- Shigeru Miyamoto, speaking to Famitsu magazine.
Source: www.cubed3.com/news/13349/1/miyamoto-explains-why-wario-wasnt-in-new-super-mario-bros.html#:~:text=Wii.,%2C%20Toad%2C%20and%20Princess%20Peach.
We all do
Smash 4 would be cool to see and great video by the way !
I've been interested in Joy Mech Fight for awhile and hearing the story about this does make me understand why Sukapon is considered a legendary spirit.
"Mach" could have been funny to him because McDonald's over there is often shortened to Makku, AKA "mac". Just guessing as someone who lived there and ate quite a bit of Mac when homesick.
The crazy thing is all these peeps would also be in ultimate then
Knowing that the Famicom Tantei Club is finally being released in the west, I do see Ayumi Tachibana being added to Ultimate or in a future Smash Bros. entry, if there's even a new one to begin with...
Looking forward to the krystal for smash drama two videos out.
also, brawl may be one of my favorites, if not favorite game.
I would love James Bond in as a tribute to Sir Sean Connery
Another thing about fe being in when it was japan only and not famicon detective club is that fe, despite the games not being out in America at the time, did have an anime with an official english release in the states, a bit of a technicality but worth mentioning
I love this series
thanks for the video
I really wanted Wario in Melee and I think it was a missed opportunity. His moveset would have been based more on the Wario Land games at the time as the Wario Ware franchise wasn't out yet. I had the idea of Wario turning into a bat for his up B recovery and had a bunch of other moves thought up at the time.
Sakurai: *doesnt add Ayumi bc an OG move set wouldn’t feel true to the character and would disappoint fans*
Also Sakurai: *makes Ganondorf a Falcon clone*
Also Blazing Sword just came out in US so seeing a guy who looked like Eliwood was cool, then turns out its his kid.
Now that you mention about it, that got me thinking. Even though Wario would've got in Melee before Peach (which I would've like to see him playable cause he's my favourite anti-hero), it would still take amount of time to create a new Wario model from scratch so I would prefer Sonic in Melee, had Yuji Naka asked Sakurai to put Sonic in Melee early.
Although I wished that in the different timeline, Ganondorf would've made his first apperance in Smash 64 as a Semi-clone of Capt. Falcon (along with Falco who was a full clone of Fox like Luigi is with Mario) while Capt. Falcon and Ness were starter characters along with Bowser and Dedede (who would return in Melee). Black Shadow (who will first appear in F-Zero on SNES in 1990 along with Zoda before they return in F-Zero X where Deathborn debuts) would also be a full clone of Capt. Falcon until as a Pseudo-clone while Ganondorf returns in Melee (until he gains his original moveset in Ultimate) and Wario would be a boss character who would fly in his bulldog in Melee's Adventure Mode and Event Match, one of the villain opponents at Semi-final and occasionally playable at three events until he's became a fully playable fighter in Brawl.
If that happens, we could've have different characters like Dark Samus in Brawl as a Semi-clone of Samus while Piranha Plant, King K. Rool, Wolf (who returns) and Terry as DLC characters like Ryu, Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta in Smash 4. Dixie Kong would be a Newcomer as well as a Semi-clone of Diddy in Smash 4 until as a Pseudo-clone. It would also include Chrom and Dark Meta Knight as Echo Fighters of Roy and Meta Knight in Ultimate and Mai Shiranui as a Newcomer in Ultimate with her clothing covering up her thighs and chest (just to be safe for good boys and girls). Waluigi would also appear as a DLC Character in Ultimate and is not part of the Fighters Pass since he would've made his first appearance as the main villain in Mario is Missing on SNES before he returns in Mario Tennis 64. He can also appear as a bonus character in Wario Land: Shake it!
after the game was complete. Waluigi would return as a antagonist in Super Mario Run and made another appearances in two Wario games; Wario Land for the Switch and WarioWare Gold for the 3DS.
Frisk (and Chara) will be a 4th DLC character as Fighters Pass in Ultimate in the place of Terry who appears in Smash 4.
And my other wishlist for Ultimate: Sephiroth (who was confirmed), Dr. Eggman, Crash Bandicoot (& Coco) and Shantae for Fighters Pass Vol. 2.
And that is my wish for a different timeline.
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That's some deep shit man.
5:45 Sakurai probably thought "Mach" was funny as, in Japan, "Mac" is the commonly shortened way of saying McDonald's.
Unfortunately, Melee's crunch led to one of Sakurai's greatest mistakes: making Ganondorf a clone for 4 consecutive Smash Bros. games.
I don't think that's a bad thing it kind of works a especially in ultimate
@@ian_2006 Here's the thing: Smash Bros serves as a sort of "museum" of Nintendo history. This is reflected in most of the playable characters' movesets, such as Mario having F.L.U.D.D from Sunshine, Bowser's stomp from SMB3, K.Rool's crown throw from DKC1, etc. As a result, it gives the impression you are in control of the actual character pulled from their series with their respective abilities.
Ganondorf however has practically nothing from his history, making him a terrible presentation of the character. Shocking considering his status as the main antagonist of the Zelda series. Not only is he a clone of an unrelated racer, his sword in Ultimate (which he has never used in any Zelda game) is copied from Ike & Cloud's movesets.
Imagine if Link had Marth's moveset, or if Bowser had DK's. They would be terrible portrayals and wouldn't feel like the actual character at all.
@@ultraspinalki11 1. Smash is a celebration of gaming from 1st and 3rd part 2.gandolf has sword I thought that's what you guys wanted
3.zelda uses attacks she doesn't use in the game and you don't complain
@@ultraspinalki11 hello???
@@ian_2006 1. It's still a celebration of gaming history.
2. Fans began asking for Sword Ganon after the release of Twilight Princess (the one game where he fights us with a sword) and after Smash 3 gave us a taunt in which Ganon pulls out his TP Sword but does nothing with it. Ultimate not only failed to give us the actual sword from TP, but also failed to give us any actual attacks from that game.
3. Obviously there are characters like Zelda, Captain Falcon, Fox etc where the devs have to get creative because their history didnt offer much in terms of movesets. Still, the devs managed to give Zelda a DISTINCT moveset (and even updated it with the phatom knight summon from the DS game) while Ganon remained with the cheap clone treatment.
It goes to show the devs failed to do proper research on one of the most popular characters, for 4 consecutive Smash games. Meanwhile, fans have done a better job at portraying the villain with mods. The link below is a trailer where 2 Ganon mods are presented, Sword and Mage.
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If you skip to 3:28, 5:35 and 6:36, the trailer shows footage from various Zelda games and compares it to the mods' movesets, showing that they've done their research on Ganon's gaming history. Proving that there is plenty of material to work with, but the Smash Bros devs chose not to put in any effort for the character, among others.
If i were Hideo Kojima I would have done the exact same thing. Imagine your character in Melee, the one of the greatest games ever created.
How different would Melee have been if it had been released in 2002 or 2003?
A better game
Then Mario characters would have modern renders because it first appeared in super Mario sunshine
@@Mal-go5dl On one level yes - but I doubt it would still have an active competitive scene like it does, because wavedashing and l-cancelling were bugs that would have been removed had the game not had such a tight schedule.
Also, it probably wouldn't have sold as well since the GameCube was really beginning to struggle by then.
@@alexpotts6520 Honestly good cuz Smash was never really meant to be a competitive fighting game series to begin with
I like to think that Wario should've been in Melee representing his own series Wario Land without replacing fully original characters, even a character and its clone or if not, maybe have Sonic in Melee had Yuji Naka had requested early after Bowser and Dedede's debut in Smash 64 in the different timeline. That would be amazing! :)
God I wish Sukapon made it in. If you haven't played Joy Mech Fight, give it a chance! It's an impressive little Famicom game!
Sukapon situation happens all of the time in big companies. I see it. NDA/Contracts not done correctly or signed.
Great video
Nintendo are actually doing a Switch Remake of the first Famicom Detective Club game, hopefully that game comes out in the west. We do love our adventure/ visual novel type games in Europe.
We do need the music from Famicom Detective club one and two in Smash much more than a fighter though, games music is lit.
Video: "There is indeed a 5th category..."
🎶*It's Christmas Time*🎶
Me: NOOOOO
Worth the wait:)
As if the Fire Emblem characters in Smash don't get enough hate, now we know Sakurai actively chose them over Wario. Yikes.
Sometimes Sacrifices Need to be Made
Sakurai stans Fire Emblem, no wow here.
So. He developing this game not you.
I mean, Wario came to Smash anyway in Brawl, so in the end, it really doesn't matter.
What is strange tho is that King Dedede wasn't even thought about for Melee, despite melee being considered the "complete" version of smash 64 and he was seriously considered to be included in that game.
11:30 " for his neutral b he wields a gun "
I've been aware that Snake was planned to be in Super Smash Bros. Melee thanks to DidYouKnowGaming, but never with James Bond.
The way you say Melee Triggers me man xd
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As a Mother fan, I would also agree
With famicom detective Club remade on switch and localized internationally, I hope they add Ayumi
Imagine they add the guy in both games instead.
X2011racer lol
@@X2011racer he does know Kung Fu, but he gotta remember to zip up his pants
Banjo & Kazooie, Sukapon, Wario and all these other Missing Debut/Dismissed Debut Appearance it’s kinda a lot of Masahiro Sakurai Interviews in the past how these characters were originated to become as a New Fighter to the original Characters/Main Roster for Smash Meele but it was too late.
In another world, a different timeline all these characters were added in, it’s unfortunate because younger would’ve loved more characters in, given that I spent all my time trying unlock “secret hidden characters” damn man why does time have to go by so fast
There’s a victory fanfare coded into Melee for Banjo
Banjo-Kazooie and... James Bond?!
Boo! I would have been stoked if it was Joanna Dark who was considered instead!
is the detective club series really getting a remake next year?