Can F1 beat LM of the same year on the old Le Mans ? (Episode 3 : from 1990 to 2024)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- In an older video, we compared LM cars and F1 cars from the same year on the modern layout. Here, we do the same on the old layout, for the period 1990 - today.
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** Timestamp **
00:00 Intro
00:16 Williams FW14B
03:46 Peugeot 905 Evo1C
07:07 Stats 1990
07:29 Ferrari F399
10:39 Toyota GT-One
14:05 Stats 1999
14:27 Williams FW31
17:44 Peugeot 908HDI
21:07 Stats 2009
21:28 Ferrari SF16-H
24:45 Toyota TS050
28:05 Stats 2016
28:28 Red Bull RB20
31:39 Porsche 963
34:59 Stats 2024
35:16 Next episode
** Mod **
Le Mans 1967 : www.overtake.gg/downloads/le-...
** Notes **
As pointed out in the comments, the Toyota GT-One mistakenly has a very low top speed here, at least 20 km/h too low as compared to real life data. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Just because I can, I decided to to put all the lap times done. I know you'll likely do one on the next episode, but who cares anyways?
1.- Ferrari F399 - 2:42.3 - 361 Km/h
2.- Red Bull RB20 - 2:48.9 - 326 Km/h (How tf did I beat cars so much faster than it on the straights? By being OP in the 5 corners that actually mean anything)
3.- Williams FW31 - 2:49.2 - 335 Km/h (DRS wasn't a thing in 2009)
4.- Ferrari SF16-H - 2:49.3 - 334 Km/h (Wonder how fast it could go with DRS and those 370 Km/h speeds those cars could reach)
5.- Porsche 963 - 2:49.5 - 358 Km/h (Hypercars/LMDh cars are much faster than people give them credit)
6.- Lotus 98T - 2:50.3 - 354 Km/h (What a fucking monster)
7.- Sauber Mercedes C9 - 2:50.7 - 387 Km/h (Highest top speed in the series. Horrendous on the few corners there are.)
8.- Toyota TS050 - 2:51.1 - 347 Km/h
9.- Mclaren MP4/5B - 2:55.3 - 326 Km/h (How tf is it faster than the FW14B and 905 is beyond me)
10.- Peugeot 908 HDI - 2:55.5 - 363 Km/h (Takes way too long to reach its top speed)
11.- Peugeot 905 Evo 1C - 2:56.0 - 346 Km/h
12.- Williams FW14B - 2:56.3 - 330 Km/h
13.- Porsche 962C - 2:56.3 - 366 Km/h (Just placed it lower for how horrendous it's on the few corners to lose so much time.)
14.- Toyota GT-One - 2:58.8 - 330 Km/h
15.- Ferrari 312 T2 - 3:04.6 - 336 Km/h
16.- Porsche 935/78 - 3:05.9 - 367 Km/h
17.- Porsche 917K - 3:12.0 - 349 Km/h (But it did 385!!! That was the 917 LH, in 1971, shut up)
18.- Lotus 72D - 3:12.1 - 320 Km/h
19.- Ford GT40 MKIV - 3:18.7 - 347 Km/h
20.- Ferrari 312/67 - 3:23.1 - 300 Km/h
21.- Ford GT40 MKI - 3:32.7 - 321 Km/h
22.- Jaguar D-Type - 3:47.8 - 285 Km/h (Way too fast on the corners. It went faster through Maison Blanche than the GT40's)
23.- Ferrari 250P - 3:50.5 - 297 Km/h
24.- Maserati 250F - 3:55.7 - 289 Km/h
25.- Lotus Type 25 - 4:02.6 - 260 Km/h (Top Speed? What is that?)
Yeah, most cars could have gone quicker or have higher top speeds, but eh.... Who cares anyways?
Indeed I will propose some statistics in the last video, but your work is highly appreciated as it summarizes here the times, thanks !
Yes, each single lapped time could be improved a few seconds ; but since this is the case for every entrant, I think that it roughly preserves the hierarchy between them.
For the top speeds, of course I adjusted the obvious settings (gears ratio, aero load, RPM limiter, Turbo boost limiter), as well as some less obvious ones (toe, rear/end suspension height). The next step would have been to tweak the parameters of the car in the .ini files, which I did not have the time to do, but most mods get it roughly correct IMO.
The Lotus Type 25 truely was from an "unfair" era in terms of rules... And it is hard to find accurate IRL top speed measurements, but it cannot be much higher than this I suppose.
Okay, now try a W11 with DRS deployed. I'm sure it will be at the top...
@@jeffery7281 haha it's already on the way, the video should be released soon. It's on the top of the current ranking, yes. But not on the top of the next ranking.
Let me guess, the next ranking will be "fastest racecar at Le Mans"
This is literally the most wanted series ever and is what I have been waiting for forever
best series in YT right now
everytime the school finishes i get to see a video of yours about lemans,i'm so lucky
Yo that ferrari f399 is a monster, is it faster than the f2004?
No, it isn't :)
But yes, basically all late V10 era are well suited for this track, as compared to the v8 and hybrid engines.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 i know the ferrari and the 919 have huge age gap between them, but would you make a video on old le mans with the f2004 vs 919 evo or at least some lmp car who could keep up with that red monster?
@@BevaliValiBoss Yep, it's on the way. Next video (you can have a glimpse at the very end of this one)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 thx bruh
Very good videos!
Excellent. Truly Excellent.
The GT-One was able to hit 351 in 1999, so something's not quite right
You are right, the gt-one should have much better top speed. As I love this car I tried the best mod I could find, and it was this one. Should have tweaked smth in the parameters to make it more realistic from this point of view.
Never heard of the RSS Toyama?
@@Hvr0215 I do, but I think I used the wrong one 🥲. I will add a note to the description, thanks.
How is a LMDH quicker than LMP1?
@@tyronnezx it's mentioned in the video
The stock F2004 come with its race trim spec at 865 bhp, if you know how to mod the files you can achieve its Quali spec at 920-940 bhp
Hi, I wonder whose mod did you use for the F399 and Porcshe 963. Thanks!
I assume most of the cars used here are mods?. The accuracy of mod cars is questionable. The Williams FW14B for example, I am assuming you are using the lowest wing settings, yet it tops out at 330kmh. In the German GP of 1992 at the old Hockenheim (with the long straights) the Williams were reaching over 340kmh down the longest straight.
How is a LMDH quicker than LMP1?
Many of these mods just copy physics from another vehicle so who knows the validity of any of these tests. Another aspect is that racing teams were allowed to use completely different aero packages for high speed, low downforce tracks so good luck finding solid data on the true performance of a historic race car with a different configuration.
@@tyronnezx he explains it in the video
you should have added a bonus round of the 2021 Red Bull/Merc against the 919 Evo, BUT the F1 cars are allowed to use DRS/ERS
would be nice to see a comparison between the 919 evo and the fastest f1 car for this track
Will see this
Hey, this video gives me the idea to try with the 2018 VRC Indycar mod, Road vs Oval.
If anyone is interested :
ROAD OVAL
S1 27.4 27.5
S2 1:19.6 1:12.5
S3 1:36.8 1:31.8
Lap 2:56.4 2:44.3
Top Sp. 323 kph 391 kph
Min Sp. 318 kph 374 kph
Muls Br. 160 m 280 m
Or because Indycar : Road did a 170.6mph lap and Oval did a 183.3mph lap :)
Also, I made a lot of mistakes with both cars and I didn't pay attention to the fact that I was driving on a fast and not optimum track.
Where do you get all the mods from bc I can’t find a lot of them on race department
You didn't hear this from me but you can find a lot of good mods for free by searching something like "assetto pirate spreadsheet" its a spreadsheet with links to hundreds of great mods
The downloads are very... let's just say "unofficial".
Why the 963 has the sound of the gr010 ?
the 919 Hybrid Evo would be insane
It's done, check the next video :)
I would ask for this one:
*Ferrari F2004 vs. Audi R8LMP* AND...
*Mercedes AMG W11 (low aero spec) vs. **_PORSCHE 919 EVO_*
Hi, actually I did prepare F2004 vs R8LMP in the original video, but decided to remove it since it is very similar to the 1999 duel (i.e. : F1 is extremely dominant). The time of the F2004 will be shown in the next video. The time of the R8 is about 2:57.
You should have used RSS version for the TS020.
The rb20 on low downforce not even getting to 330 seems off
It is incredible, seeing what you indicated in the comparison between the FW14B and the 905 EVO that the only circuit in which the endurance cars can fight against the F1 is in Le Mans, a circuit in which more than 50% of the lap is straight line and that was what the endurance cars were specially created for, while the F1 cars that were created for the opposite still beat them, because on a really complete circuit that for me the sarthe is not, there is no no point of comparison and the F1 show that they are the pinnacle of automotive engineering
bro acting like the le mans cars dont follow regulations, they could be a whole lot faster, 919 evo for example
@@joshmoment42 And bro acting as if F1 cars don't have regulations either.
@@joshmoment42 and Even a formula 1 from a next season like the Ferrari SF71H, Mercedes W09 could beat it, with all the regulations, and obviously the Mercedes W11 Also but two years after
Le Mans prototypes are built for endurance racing. F1 cars are not.
Most of the f1 entrants would have their engines exploding before an enfurance race ends. (perhaps with the sole exception of the RB20) That gives them a big advantage in a short run like this.
No deploy on the f1 hybrid cars is a crime
😬
No deploy = no decoy
Very upsetting that you forgot the best Le Mans car - the 962C
Why not something like a late 90s Champ Car?
It is coming in the bonus part, as it is an out-of-category car : )
Bro the 905 was so op
Ha ha, you think so ? It's a group C monster after all. Engine was designed before Hunaudières chicanes appeared.
Edit : but I agree that the braking power is suspiciously high. The grip itself and the engine power, though, seem really huge IRL
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 true tho but the top speed is so low sigh for Group C
@@SamuelC558 the 3.5L era cars were basically F1 with covered wheels and a detuned engine to be more reliable
Is this assetto corsa?
Is this ACC?
No, just AC
2016 Toyota braking point is wrong. Lmp1 have better brake than lmh(less weight). In video lmp1 toyota have the worst brake of all cars