Honestly the worst part about the 2021 Belgium Grand Prix was nobody got refunds even though most people stayed in the rain just to watch the race only for a few laps under safety car and then the race ended like that , pretty much the literal definition of a shitfest Lmao
The problem is while it was fucked, F1 are by no means the only sport in history that's done something like that. My Mum and Aunt went to Wimbledon around 1981 and the whole day was rained off meaning they also sat on their arses in the pouring rain for nothing to happen. But because 1 serve had been played, not even on their bloody tennis court, they weren't entitled to a refund. I'm not saying it's not a pisstake but this is unfortunately a fairly common thing
The hilarious thing about Stoddart going all out on Dutch TV (saw it live), was that he was kinda familiar with the reporters, but still asked politely if he could swear on Dutch TV. When he was told he could, he went full Günther Steiner. Stoddart ranted for a full three minutes, and it was beautiful.
th-cam.com/video/bY7IdWpqYXI/w-d-xo.html Found it. It's basically Stoddart being angry because he knows his team is toast, as it had no chance of getting a constructors' P9 anymore, and it basically folded and became Toro Rosso next season. This race wasn't necessarily the full reason, but it gave the final push to the little Minardi.
Imagine being a fan at either Indy or Spa, you spent months, or even a whole year planning to go, you go there, in hopes of seeing a good race, only to witness a fustercluck of either event.
My dad was at that Indy race, he went every year they came to Indy. He was so confused on what was happening and can remember everyone around him booing like crazy and leaving right then and there.
@@Rand0mContnt i was at Spa 2021... oh boy... they held us there and gave us hope that the race would start... but we all know what happend at the end...
15:30 To add, that "no tyre change"-rule was specifically created to fuck over Ferrari. All their struggles in 2005, they had because the FIA set out to nerf Ferrari as much as possible. The one race where it comes back to bite the others in their arses, I do not blame them one bit for not showing solidarity.
I wouldn't say it was. OK, it was a rule change which likely has an effect to pecking order as each team had to build a car with minimum tyre wear in sight. The big thing IMO was that Michelin had seven teams and Bridgestone three, of which two were poorest teams on the grid who couldn't test much.
@@Siniset Nope, it was specifically meant to target Ferrari. The tyre advantage was one of the big reasons for their dominance, since Bridgestone managed to build incredibly fast tyres that were however less durable than the Michellins. Ferrari used those to have incredible speed and get away with one pitstop more than the other, since it also meant they could run lower fuel loads, increasing speed, while at the same time decreasing tyre wear (due to less weight because of lower fuel levels). This advantage was specifically targeted by the FIA. It wasn't the only one either, 2005 really was a "fuck Ferrari"-season, they were simply tired of the Schumacher-domination as it also showed in tv ratings.
@@Siniset The reason it gets labeled as specifically an anti-ferrari change is that only Ferrari were pulling off 3, and even 4 stop races on the regular. Yes, other teams ran the stickier, thinner Bridgestones, but their cars lacked the combination of low drag, high downforce, and great engine power to make the most use of the bridgestones. So while you have the cartoon level antics of Schumacher pulling off a 4-stop win by torching the second fastest car by two seconds a lap, you also have Jordan and Minardi fighting for the title of "the least worst" cars on the grid while struggling to do a 2-stop on their same bridgestones. So while all bridgestone teams got hurt, there was zero reason to aim for two of the four, AND you had Sauber switch from Bridgestone to Michelin becuase they just got tired of having to worry about tire life so much for so little gain. If at least one other top-5 team used Bridgestone, I'd concede it wasn't a purely anti-Ferrari move. But when the only teams that run it are the championship winners and the literal slowest cars on the grid...it's obvious who they were aiming for.
Quick addition: In July of 2005, the FIA reversed the verdicts against the Michelin teams because of some information that had been disclosed but missed due to an oversight in the original hearing: if the Michelin teams had raced, they would've been liable for criminal charges under Indiana state law for knowingly racing despite the risk of injury/death to drivers, spectators, and others. After that was brought up, the FIA immediately reversed the verdicts and exonerated the Michelin teams.
For those who don’t know, the seven teams were cleared of the offence of “wrongfully refusing to allow their cars to start the race” after the World Motorsport Council was reminded that, should the worst happen, the State of Indiana would go after the teams on manslaughter charges.
The charges should never have came in the first place, safety first and all that...or apparently not. Particularly as the teams came up with suggestions to allow them to race but were shot down by the FIA.
@@lolzlolz69 I'll say the same thing here as I've said everywhere else - there is ZERO guarantee that the track changes would've solved the blowouts. So ignoring the fact that the FIA would voluntarily waive their own ruling that a track needs all layout changes and rennovations tested to receive certification to run them, you're still looking at the embarassment of teams needing to potentially retire in the middle of the race because their tires still blow up despite the changes! As much as I, as a fan, like the idea of teams finding a solution to have a good race, at the end of the day - no one knew what was going on, especially Michelin - the people behind the panic in the first place.
@@themanwithsauce Track changes were only one suggestion and I agree late changes like that are a no no. But there was no harm in letting the Michelin cars go through the pit lane or pit for tyres at the expense of points and positions.
I'm actually proud to have attended this race. It's one of the most memorable races in F1 history. It's not very often you get to be an eye witness to such an historic event.
It's like going to a baseball game and watching your team have a no hitter pitched against them. It sucks, but it's still cool to see something so rare in person.
I was at the Indy race in 2005 right at the first corner at the end of the straight. It was my first F1 race and very nearly my very first riot too. When the 14 cars retired, people were *pissed* and started throwing Foster's Oil Cans onto the track, one very nearly hitting Schumacher. It was really, really ugly.
@@treyblaze22 We received the free tickets for the next year which was great but the 2005 "event" was a massive disappointment. We spent a small fortune getting down there from New England, renting an RV, and buying tickets only to watch that joke of a procession. In the video, you can see the track worker removing the beer which went down right in front of us.
It was bloody awful as a lifelong F1 fan. Considering the Michelin teams were prepared to do anything it took to race, it was Ferrari who stopped it all. It didn't do anything for my feelings towards that team... (I know Charlie and the FIA were massively involved, but there was a lot of Ferrari interference.)
I was a teen in 2005 having watched racing all my life because of my dad. This was my very first Grand Prix that I got to attend. What a way to be introduced to the sport in person. We left after a couple laps and went to go see Batman Begins. Still a fun weekend, but what a mess. I'm glad I got to see the subsequent two races at Indy, especially seeing Hamilton in his first year.
I remember playing F1 2006 and in the loading screens it would have facts about drivers such as "Tiago Monteiro's best finish was 3rd in the 2005 US GP" and "Christijan Albers best finish was 5th in the US GP", and I thought that most have been one crazy race when a Jordan and a Minardi finished in the points. Then I looked it up and learned the reason...Yikes!
This was my first F1 race attendance. What made it worse was that there was no Twitter or Instagram back then to follow the drama on the paddock, so my friends and I along with a bunch of people at the circuit were clueless as a bunch of cars were pulling in right after the formation lap.
@@gandalf_thegrey it’s a negative if you don’t have any way of knowing what’s going on, Standing sround thinking you’re going to see your favourite drives race for near 2 hours, only to find out right at the start of the race 3/4 of the teams won’t be participating is awful.
Imagine being a teen excited to go on your first GP with your dad. having saved up a couple hundred or even thousand of dollars for the trip, just to get an absolute shit show, absolutely killing all your liking for the sport. 15 years pass and, although the sour taste of USA 2005 is still on your mouth, you've came to love the sport once again, you're now an adult, you have a job, a family and a kid, you'd like to get his entered into the world of motorsports and so travel to Belgium to see Spa 2021...
Mate, even a year on and I'm not over my "first f1 race" I'm Belgian, work in restaurants, finally was able to get a weekend off just to piss about in the rain....
Installation of the chinane was rejected because it was never tested. There would be huge legal issues for the FIA and F1 had they installed that chicane and some kind of incident happened on the track.
This. There were a lot of legal hurdles getting in the way towards finding a satisfying solution. Not to say that Ferrari and Mosley weren't putting their own hurdles along with the existing hurdles, but there was a lot more going on. One of the only two viable solutions found within 48 hours, the Michelin runners going through the pitlane every time, would have meant that they likely weren't going to be classified, because they would be 20 laps behind. The other solution, letting the FIA approve of the second batch of tires quickly, probably had some hurdles as well. Letting them race would have meant that Michelin was taking their hands off of it all, in case something bad would happen. It was just an ugly shitshow.
@@raremediumdonewell I've heard FIA cleared the Michelin Teams to have in race Pitstops. But it was logistically impossible to get additional tires for each team to the track in that short amount of time.
I was there with my family and I remember being in a state of disbelief when all the Michelin cars pulled into their garages. We ended up leaving around lap 15 because the atmosphere was getting ugly. When we left we were walking south on Georgetown Road and there Indiana State Police and Indianapolis Metro Police in riot gear with riot shields standing in formation but letting people through if they wanted to leave.
@@antheusmain there was the battle for third place and technically first before ferrari told their drivers to hold station. The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was the worst race in Formula One History. Not the 2005 U.S Grand Prix
For me, there's definitely a big difference that makes 2005 US worse than 2021 Spa. Spa 2021 was a disaster, no denying that, but at least it was a disaster through events that couldn't be controlled (AKA unrelenting weather and the safety issues which come with heavy rain following the events of Japan 2014). Sure, there were things that they could control that they could have done WAY more about to make the situation better, but the majority of the problem was through uncontrollable events. 2005 US was a disaster, and even worse than 2021 Spa because it was through events that could be controlled. There were solutions where the Michelin runners could be part of the race without risking safety. However, various people within the decision making process said no. For that reason alone, it's a worse race than 2021 Spa
problem is in the 2005 US grand prix, neither f1 or the fia gave out refunds. it was michelin who refunded it even though they werent their refunds to pay. in spa 2021 at least f1 owned up to it, and at least in spa 2021 we didnt have the hot tempered son of a fascist with a dictatorial personality as the fia presdent
The rules changes to neuter Ferrari for the season had worked; they hadn't won a race until this US GP weekend. It cost F1 a tremendous amount as a result, though, & may explain why the rules change so little & so infrequently today. I was there for this race. When the race started, we in the stands had *no idea* what was going on; the crowd became angry & frustrated & it got incredibly tense. It was sincerely frightening. It was also Father's Day & we took my dad to this, nearly his last F1 race in person.
A really awesome side story related to this is the 2005 USA MotoGP race. The first race in America since 1994. This race happened only like 2 weeks after, and resulted in a USA 1-2. With American Nicky Hayden getting his first MotoGP win at his home race!
Look up the 2008 Brickyard 400 sometime. The new Car of Tomorrow, and extremely abrasive surface, and Goodyear tires that wore out so fast NASCAR had to start using "Competition yellows" to slow the field every 10-12 laps, giving teams a chance to replace tires before they blew. It got so bad the teams were treating the race as a series of sprint races between cautions, waiting for the last to go all out. The legacy of this was declining attendance, a race that became a processional every year, and eventually the decision to move to the road course in hopes of having a decent event
It took all the majesty out of the Brickyard 400. Even if the race was kinda boring, it's still Indianapolis. Unfortunately, NASCAR fans couldn't give less of a shit about it because of that disaster. Goodyear had a terrible year in general that season as well. I also think this race cemented the CoT as a failure in most fans eyes, which is a shame since the CoT actually had some good racing, especially from 2010-2012
The road course was pretty good but I would wonder what the oval would race like with the Next Gen car. Given how good the oval racing has been so far this year, with the exception of Martinsville, mostly thanks to the weather causing a lack of rubber on the track, it certainly leaves the door open for NASCAR to give Indy another rodeo at the oval. Plus, it could mark the return of Jimmie Johnson for a one-off race since he expressed interest in that recently.
1. You have to buy an Oscar, they dont give them out based on actual merit 2. He's not part of their industry and therefore can't participate in Hollywood's circle jerk.
@@bigbusiness7035 but Slap's video forces a bit towards NASCAR, which is not relevant towards F1 at all. I think Josh's gets the point across a bit better because of that.
My father and I went to the F1 race at Indy every year. A lot of people have asked me about this race, and if I was angry, or disappointed. Heck no. This was entertainment. F1 is more than just the racing. It's the politics and the behind the scenes machinations. It's the constructors plotting against one another. This was an amazing event to attend. I can always say I was there. Fun side story. Every year on Sunday morning you could buy an event t-shirt with the race logo on the front, and the starting grid on the back. The next year I wore that shirt with red paint crossing out the Michelin runners. I got a lot of comments on that shirt that day. LOL!
You witnessed a double points finish for Minardi. This only happened one other time (Silverstone 1989). I'd love to have witnessed even one Minardi in the points... but I'm weird...
@@michaelhartzfeld9427 haha, amazing! What’s your email address? I will only take up around 20 minutes of your time and can be any time that suits you. (The piece will be live for you to view in June!) I can just explain a little bit about who I am and what I do over email, etc 😊
I was there for that. Right before the race started my dad said "we probably want to start getting out of here. It's gonna be bad." He had a radio thing set up to be able to listen to the teams talk. We got up and were at the stairs leaving the stands when the anger started. We made it to the car and dad was still listening and said "be glad we left. It's really bad."
I had the privilege of going to this race when I was 10. My dad and I were some of the few that stayed for the whole event, mostly because a) the price of the tickets and b) I was a huge Ferrari fangirl at the time. As awful as this race was though, and the legacy it left, I still maintain that F1 needs to come back there. It's way more accessible to those on the East Coast and Midwest, was VERY affordable compared to the current USGP at Austin (like $120 for 3 days), and a chicane has been installed at the final turn to make sure there isn't any more tire controversies moving forward. Considering the history the track holds, it'd be far better imo than a race in Miami or Vegas.
I think the only reason for a race in Miami and Vegas is for money. Because both places will pay millions to hold F1 and fans will spend millions on tickets so a win win for F1. It is a grade 1 circuit so F1 can go there but I don't want to see too many races in the US. I'd rather have another race in Italy at either Misano or Mugello than Miami. I think 2 US races is a good amount, LV and Indy
@@CatchiestWorm12 I’m glad they have it but just for the drivers. The drivers will love the track and the after party. The drivers deserve some good places to race even if the racing may not be that good
Another thing to add to this whole deal When the FIA and Mosely threaten to make the event Non FIA Sanctioned if they went ahead with any of Michellins Propsals, the teams actually called their bluff and said that they would hire their own officials, it was then that the FIA put their foot down and all the Michelin cars proceeded to retire on lap 0? 1? Idk
I can´t blame the FIA. A rule is a rule ans it applies to every team. And that rule is (roughly): every track of the upcoming season has to have an acceptance test by the FIA. When this is done, the track owner is forbidden to change anything (adding a new surface doesn´t count). So the FIA can say to the teams: "ok, these are the circuits of the next season, now it´s up to you." Basically, this is to prevent any team from wanting a last minute change of the track to better suit their cars performance. So the FIA had every right saying: "if you brake that rule, we won´t counting that race." And all the the teams were fine with that, even only to put on a show for the crowd, except for one: Ferrari. They said: "We are perfectly prepared for this race, if you are not, that´s not our fault."
@@ertwander They'd still end laps behind, not in contention, Bridgestone teams would win, and fans would see more racing behind the first. Also they offered to run without points. This was really just a power-move by FIA and Ferrari, Max Mosley, more FIARRARI stuff.
@@Albtraum_TDDC How the fuck this is a power move by Ferrari? They were there, they could race. Any team would do the same. FIA-Ferrari thing was so stupid back then, and it sounds even more stupid now. FIA specifically designed 2005 rules to kerb Ferrari's dominance. They didn't do anything like this against Merc later. If FIA was Ferrari's tool, we would have 5 more years of Ferrari dominance
It's crazy that Bridgestone were having an awful 2005 and struggling to keep up with Michelin. Then this race happens and the French brand are so embarrassed they are out of the sport by 2007 ending tyre wars in F1 to this day.
There's a lot of opportunity for equipment wars in motorsport. As a nascar fan of 20 years, I can tell you that tires are NOT the thing that you want to be messing with to gain an edge. Let one company make them, and make them good. As soon as someone has to start cutting corners to gain an edge, disaster is just waiting to happen.
Weirdly enough, Ralf Schuhmacher was called live on German TV on race day (he was already back home by the time). And he was completely fuming over the fact that racing with these tires was even discussed, especially since what happened to him.
Ralf must hate Indy, he’s had a tyre blow which left him nearly out for the season in 2004, and then it happened AGAIN at the same corner in 2005 What are the chances man
17:30, speaking of indycar, I think they also did a race that was just following the pace car along through a nonstop rain, but I think it went at least 20 laps
That was 2002 Champcar Race at Queensland, it would have been just as controversial as Spa 2021 if not moreso but nobody cared about the CCWS by that point
@@BrandonA1 1. Lack of fan interest for CART/ CCWS interest- was that tied to their attempt to go ahead with a race at a track that likely would’ve made drivers pass out behind the wheel? 2. Is that Queensland disaster why indycar races outside of The US/ Canada have become non-existent in the last 15 years? It seems like they could get nice publicity if they held a race at an F1 host track. A diverse grid is guaranteed. The most recent Indianapolis 500s have been won by an Aussie, a Frenchman, a Japanese, and a Brazilian.
7:49 As a Hoosier, presuming a witch is a thing in Indiana is a good bet. They live in the areas no one knows of and it takes forever to get to while watching what looks like the same crop field. That’s how they get you. Oh wait, that’s just grandmothers.
This was genuinely the first race I remember watching as like a 8 year old, maybe because I was a kid I quite enjoyed it at the time as it was crazy. Might be the one of a few people to get into F1 from watching that shambles
Last season of F1 definitely seems of a good contender as "one of the weirdest seasons F1 ever had" in sort of speak. Not only about the quali-race happened in Spa (Williams got P2 tho which was definitely unusual)... But literally only Hamilton starting at the grid in the Hungarian GP... Just imagine how freaking odd is that to see literally 1 car starting the race on the grid and the rest starting from the pits 😂 It does make me feel happy about the current season going on. We already got Haas in the points, Williams in the points as well... Finally there isn't a total domination by Mercedes (sorry Merc fans) and we get to see more skill based racing on the grid which is something racing should always go around. With that been said, we see tons of mechanical problems considering the make of the cars and the cars themselves as much as they are fast, they are truly unstable and unhealthy for the drivers to handle. Still is one of the best season starts ive seen in recent years of F1.
fun fact, i actually went to this race (was in the womb) but my parents said it was the worst thing ever and stopped watching f1 after that completely. I brought them back 😈😈
I think this video misses some major points about the legal ramifications of changing the circuit at all, and takes a bit too much advantage of hindsight. At the time of the event, the FIA stamped their foot down not just because of the safety of the chicane, but because the circuit was not *tested* with the chicane. They'd literally be changing the modifications to the track the day of an event with very very minimal time to do any testing or sighting, and there was still no guarantee that it would fix the problem. That lack of guarantee was the real issue here - If the FIA broke their own rules about certifying a circuit to a standard meant for formula 1 just to attempt to avoid a problem and it still didn't work out, they were afraid other circuits would complain (and if you look at it in a greedy light, the FIA might've been a bit concerned that they'd ask for refunds on circuit rennovations if a different track was allowed to run a race without the certification). There was also the issue with their event insurance and local laws. I don't know the exact definition but there were many concerns that if they modified the track in a significant way, but someone got hurt or killed (driver, crew worker, spectator), then the event insurance wouldn't cover it due to the changes and they could be on a major legal hook. Looking back on it, people are quick to point out one solution or antoher, but in the heat of the moment, they did the safest choice of action after giving Michelin time to fly in new tires and try and solve the problem on their own end. At the end of the day, this was Michelin's problem, not the FIA or F1's. I get that it isn't a good answer, but the root cause of the issue is simple - this is what happens in racing when there's a tire war. This was always going to happen given enough races with two or more suppliers of tires as speeds and downforce levels increased. This will happen again if we have another tire war. This is why most series at the top level of motorsports use a spec tire supplier.
And to beat the inevitable "but PirRelLi TIrEs iN 2013!" comment to the punch - when you have one supplier and spec of tires available for everyone, then you can get a consensus during events like this because no team has an advantage over the other just because they signed a tire deal with someone else. They all have to use the same tires which makes it a lot easier to cut through the politics and come to an agreement of the solution. There will still be politics, sure, but not nearly to this degree and it will pass and everyone will move on.
Cranky Yankee f1 and slapshoes both did videos on this topic and they discussed the details that you bring up just in case you want a different view point
I mean it was F1s and the FIAs problem. You promised the fans a race so you must deliver. They still couldve done things like allow the pit stops every 10 laps or for them to go thru the pits. Both of those options dont risk safety and the Michelin teams are still screwed over. There obviously isnt a perfect answer but the FIA rightly got criticized for how they handled it.
@@zephyr6877 nah even if they are allowed to go to the pits it isn’t fair to the bridgestones teams who came ready and prepared for the race the fault here is laid 100% in michelin
@@zephyr6877 they did have a race - only 6 cars could participate as they were the only ones with compliant equipment for the course and rules. How did the FIA fail to supply a race? They had the crew, the venue, and the broadcasting all handled and sorted.
I remember watching this on Dutch TV back in the day. The beautiful commentary from the Minardi guy is still the best thing that happened that weekend.
Extra Fact: At that time, the drivers had to do their final quali laps on race fuel, so it might suggest that Toyota was planning not to race, since Trulli's car had way less fuel
Worse, it keeps getting spun more and more like some hit piece towards ferrari and the FIA. It's like for this topic, and this topic alone, the FIA is consistent and firm in upholding its rules and people COMPLAIN.
@BallersKingdom you mean the exposition+snarky comment/joke structure he's been using since the beginning of time? Sure yeah that'll save this dead horse of a topic
My dad was never into car racing, but he knew I was OBSESSED with F1. Many Sunday mornings he'd get up to watch the races with me to see what all the fuss was about. But those years turned if off racing and the possibility of him ever became a fan vanished for three main reasons. First, the Schumacher dominance of the early 00s, second, the controversial end of the '02 Austrian GP, and the final nail in the coffin, the '05 US Grand Prix.
Did you know that not even the Bridgestone runners had the same tyres as each other? I heard an interview with former Jordan engineer Gary Anderson and he said that Jordan had done tyre testing for Bridgestone and Ferrari but that the spec tyres they would get for races were cheaper. This is the benefit of having a single tyre manufacturer in that all teams get the same set of treads.
Hahahaha love seeing Tiago Monteiro celebrate and not give a f*** 😂 Bless 😂😂 Regardless of the circumstances, Tiago Monteiro made our tiny country of Portugal proud just by being an F1 driver 👏🏻🇵🇹
I was 18 back then, watching the race live, and was pretty embarrassed that a Portuguese guy would do that, haha. But I'm happy that, with time, the world grew to understand his position.
It has absolutely rebounded here in the USA. I've been a fan since I was a kid, and always kind of felt like an outsider. But because of drive to survive, it seems like I have people come and talk to me about F1 all the time. I think we're getting into a golden era for us...
Do not blame FiA or the IMS for this fiasco, blame Michelin for not even testing tires at this track after significant changes were made to the surface of the asphalt. Bringing a tire that may last 10 laps of a 70+ lap race when changing tires was disallowed by the rules was a major mistake. Bridgestone had no problems with its’ tires. Michelin expecting the track and/or rules be changed over their mistake was an unbelievable request, sort of like a spoiled brat crying because of some selfish reason. As for the teams using Michelin tires, could they had not run on Bridgestones instead?
At this point I've watched like 15 videos from different channels talking about the Indianapolis 2005 race, I even watched the race live on TV as a kid, but that won't stop me of watching another one.
Josh, you left out an important detail. From what I recollect, the state of Indiana would have a lawsuit against F1 over the safety grounds of knowing the tyres were dangerous. I forget the exact wording and who would have been named as the defendants, but it would have been another serious issue that may have completely nixed the next two US GPs at Indy as well. So it was also the best interest for the Michelin teams to have not raced at all for that particular issue.
Spa 2021 is worse and a way bigger joke. They should have moved that race to Monday. Indycar has done it with a Pocono race in the early 2010s and Barber race in 2018. There are still no answers from Liberty and FIA why masi didn't move the race to Monday...
It is indeed Guenther. He was with Red Bull F1 that year before leaving for the US to run other motorsport stuff for them for a couple years. He was also with Jaguar for a couple years, although ironically not at the time they were bought by Red Bull.
To me, the worst race was the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix. In what would turn out to be the last race to be staged at the Montjuïc Park (I hope I spelled it right) street circuit in Barcelona, there was controversy before the cars even took to the track for practice. Many of the posts for the Armco barriers were not properly embedded in the tarmac as they should have been. Teams and drivers refused to take to the track until these were addressed. Rather than doing so, the organisers, bearing in mind that Spain was still run under the dictatorship of Fransisco Franco at the time, threatened the teams with legal action, blackmailing them to run in unsafe conditions. To avoid legal ramifications but still express their displeasure, many drivers, including the then reigning champion Emerson Fittipaldi, just did the minimum participation of 3 laps over the whole weekend and deliberately failed to qualify. His brother Wilson also decided not to race along with Arturo Mezario, but most of the rest of the field took the start. The two Ferraris of Niki Lauda and Clay Regazzoni, which started on the front row, collided at the first corner, along with Mario Andretti and Vittorio Brambilla. James Hunt took the lead and held it until lap 6 when he crashed after sliding off from oil laid down by Jody Scheckter's blow engine, and from there, Andretti led most of the race (from laps 7-16). Then the Hill Embassy Racing driver Rolf Stommelen took the lead and after briefly losing the lead to Carlos Pace, held it until lap 25 when disaster struck. Just as Stommelen crested a rise, in near identical circumstances as his team boss, Graham Hill did in 1969, his rear wing came adrift. The sudden loss of rear downforce pitched the car into a spin, got airborne and smashed into a spectator enclosure, killing 4 spectators and leaving the driver with a broken leg, broken wrist and cracked ribs. Shamefully, the race continued for 4 more laps before being halted. Jochen Mass took his first and only F1 win (which would turn out to be the last for a German driver until a certain Michael Schumacher won at Spa in 1992), Jacky Ickx was classified second and Carlos Reutemann third. Poor Jochen Mass couldn't even enjoy his win, still livid with what happened over the weekend, it was all he could do to not stick one on the members of the organisers who presented him with his race winning prize. Overshadowed by what happened, classified in sixth place, scoring half a point as the race didn't reach the distance for full points to be awarded, was the first and so far only female driver to have a points finish in F1, Lella Lombardi. After alternating with Jarama in even numbered years from 1969 Montjuïc Park never hosted another Grand Prix again after the farce that was the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix
You know what's similar between USA 2005 and Belgium 2021? Russell and Monteiro got their first podiums in their career and they were just too happy to realise that the races were a joke.
I think that this was a better race than some in the previous couple of years. It at least gave something to talk about. When Schumacher’s winning every single race there’s very little to say about it. There was also a genuine challenge from Barrichello as mentioned in the vid, whereas usually Rubens would leap out of the way
Great video. There are many videos on youtube talking about that farce, but only very few of them point out that Bridgestone came prepared thanks to the data from Firestone. But there is one important detail you missed as well: Several weeks before the race Michelin requested to do a test at Indy. They were very well aware that the new surface could change the amount of tyre wear, and they wanted to check it out and collect some data for themselves. At the time there was no limit about how much testing you could do. However, there was a rule in place that limited testing to circuits that would not hold a race later on in the season. The only way to get an exception for this was if all teams as well as both tyre suppliers agreed to it. Obviously all Michelin teams agreed to allow the test (even if most of them were not interested in taking part themselves due to freight costs) but Bridgestone and Ferrari blocked it. I'm not sure if Jordan and Minardi ever took a side on it, but it would not matter anyways since Ferrari and Bridgestone would not let that test go ahead anyways. Michelin, who would pay for the track (including all the safety crews and equipment, etc.) invited Bridgestone to take part in the test as well. But they had no interest. At that point they had already gotten the Firestone data, they knew what to expect, and they wanted to keep Michelin in the dark. Both Manufacturers brought new tyre compounds to that race, special tyres that would not be used again on any other circuit. But while Bridgestones tyres were perfectly suited for the new track surface, Michelin had severely underestimated the additional wear caused by the diamond grinding treatment.
Speaking about f1 2005 season in general there’s a lot of similarities to this season: Mercedes are being Ferrari (slow AF) Ferrari are being Renault (fast + reliable) Red Bull being McLaren (fastest + breaks down)
There is a bit more to the story. Earlier in the year, following the diamond grinding, IMS scheduled a series of tire tests for everyone, NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, and MotoGP. Prior to the test Michelin contacted the Speedway to get some information about the new surface, they also asked what the results of the test Firestone had done for the IndyCars was. IMS relayed to them the information that Firestone had provided to them, that despite the grinding the grip levels were still about the same and there was no major difference in overall tire wear. Michelin took this information and based the construction of their new tire on it, when they were to confirm their attendance at the tire test, they asked IMS again what Firestone's results were, IMS repeated the same info, so they declined to attend the test. A test that Bridgestone ALSO declined to attend. The result was, Michelin came with a tire that was based on the previous years data, plus made a bit harder do deal with what little added grip and wear they were expecting based on the data they had been provided by the track. Michelin weren't expecting Bridgestone/Firestone to be so willing to, literally, put lives on the line in order to gain a slight advantage, they were wrong. This is why Michelin were so puzzled about why their tires were failing, everything was lining up with the data they had. Later in the year there were discussions by Michelin and it's teams of bringing Bridgestone before the FIA and WMSC on some kind of charges of Gross Negligence for Firestone outright lying to the Speedway in order to allow Bridgestone to have an advantage. This never happened, I assume because Michelin just wanted to put the whole episode behind them. One other thing, the teams were fully prepared to run the race on their own without the FIA. The night before they had all of the personal from the teams setup to perform the different FIA positions for the race. Everyone was on board except for one team, and the others didn't care. They were gonna run this race with or without the red cars. Mosley stepped in and told them they would be in violation of some FIA rule and would all be subject to expulsion from the Championship and the money that would entail.
I love these types of videos and as a fellow race enthusiast, I eat this up like crazy 😂 Edit: For those who want to learn more on the matter and the statistics and insider information the teams and people inside pit lane had on what was happening before, during and after the race, I recommend watching SlapShoes’s video on the disastrous 05 Indianapolis Grand Prix and the missed opportunity of capitalizing on F1 in the US, the rivalry between Michelin and Bridgestone and stakes that were in place in the constructors :)
This is a bit reminiscent of the first NASCAR race at Talladega where most drivers boycotted over tire safety concerns. NASCAR hasn’t really had stuff like this happen again, either with Spa or the US GP. How is F1 treating their fans like this? Neither NASCAR or Indycar would treat their fans that badly, no excuse for no refunds for Spa.
The Coca-Cola 600 run at Charlotte about a month prior had similar issues because of the same problem. Goodyear tires kept blowing up throughout the weekend, and diamond grinding was never used by another NASCAR Cup Series track. S1apSh0es brought this up in his video on this race.
I was there. You can see me (15:09 - I'm in the white hat) sitting on the top row at Turn one .We didn't know what was going on. We kept looking back at the starting line. Where were the rest of the cars? About 15 minutes into the race, the word got back to us what had happened. I did get one of the free tickets the next year.
One thing to remember: had Michelin teams competed in the race, under the Indiana state law they potentially faced criminal charges for knowingly putting others at risk even if no accident happened. They had no other option apart from pulling out of the race once they knew that no compromise could be reached
I feel like everyone missed the point concerning the race. The real reason why the Michelin runners(Renault, McClaren, BAR, Sauber, Williams, Toyota and Red Bull) retire was due to Indiana state laws where had they raced and if all of the drivers were either seriously hurt or killed, all the Michelin teams would have been charged even if no accident had occurred. As both Ron Denis and Christian Horner have told Mosley about it. On July 22nd, the FIA World Motor Sport Council voted to overturn its previous decision, and exonerated the Michelin teams of all charges. Apparently, someone in the FIA has completely forgotten about these laws. Thankfully, no lives were lost(even though one could argue that common sense was the real loser) And the fact that this comment is ignored really proves that the truth is stranger than fiction
I was at that Race at Spa. I am a huge f1 and I was dreaming to go to a f1 Race. When I got my money in to buy the ticket I was so exited to go there and see the cars race. Ends up to be the worst disappointment I‘ve ever had.
I knew Stoddard was angry about the race, but it never quite occurred to me before *why* he was angry - namely, that it gave Jordan an unassailable points tally and condemned Minardi to last place. So this race not only killed F1's reputation in the US, it also killed the sport's most beloved backmarker. Ouch.
Eeeeehhhh....I love Paul Stoddard for all he did to try and improve the sport from within, but he was being a bit melodramatic there. Minardi's best finish aside from this event was 10th, while Jordan actually scored points (well, one point) later on in the season. Strike the US event from history and Jordan still wins out. Plus, Jordan had been consistently beating them year over year. Yes, from that moment, he looked at the lead Jorda had and thought "we need at least 3 or 4 more races than them where we score a point or two just to tie" but the opposite happened and Jordan scored an additional point but Minardi didn't place higher than 11th from there out. I get he was trying to vent on behalf of the team but it's not accurate to say that this event killed minardi's season.
I remember watching this race live. For all that’s wrong with it, I still watched every lap, even when Brawn asked the two drivers to hold positions after their last pit stop 😅 The least F1 can do in these circumstances is refund the people or have back up plans so fans can feel value of being there. With Spa as example it’s a bad look to see millionaires and billionaires cry poor over losing money. For a lot of fans the tickets costs is a lot bigger % to the entitled people on the top of the food chain in the sport. Can’t refund plane tickets, accommodation and stuff like that, but refunding the ticket is good PR. Nothing more gross than bringing up fine print hidden amongst a bunch of text covering their ass.
With all the money F1 generates, they should have been given refunds as well as a couple hundred bucks worth of F1 souvenirs that would be shipped to their home addresses at F1's expense. Then, I'd want free tickets to any 1 race of my choice for the next season, and the ticket should be transferrable, should I decide to sell it. That should have been done for every. single. fan. present. That'd be about the only thing that would satisfy me, short of them using a time machine to undo it all. I know vacation time is so precious for most folks, and you simply can't get that wasted part of your life back. Also, if any of the teams feel up to it, let the fans have a quick tour of their favorite team's facilities and a chance to at least shake hands and take a pic with the drivers (if the drivers want to). A few kind gestures and a bit of cash thrown around would have gone a long ways towards tryna make people feel better about the whole incident.
I was there. 30 years old then, i was watching F1 since i was 4. Had moved to Chicago in 2004 and was planning to go to my first F1 race. So excited! Although it is kind of nice to actually be in a historic race, it was history for all the wrong reasons. I was gutted.
I still wonder why people have problems with the Spa ending last season. There was a qualifying for the sport of it. They weren't gifted points. The person who won the qualifying got P1. Edit: Except people who were there. I understand that they are/were pissed.
I was at the USGP in 2005. It was crazy. This was before I had a smartphone, so I had no access to F1 news or any hint of what was going on. I heard talk of a problem with the Michelin tires when chatting with other fans throughout the weekend, but we had no idea that what was going on. When the Michelin runners pulled into the pits at the end of the formation lap, the speedway erupted in shouting and boos. We almost couldn’t hear the six F1 cars take the start. It was a confusing and strange race. My only consolation was getting to see Tiago Montiero ecstatic on the podium.
Honestly the worst part about the 2021 Belgium Grand Prix was nobody got refunds even though most people stayed in the rain just to watch the race only for a few laps under safety car and then the race ended like that , pretty much the literal definition of a shitfest Lmao
Nice to see other NASCAR fans here.
The problem is while it was fucked, F1 are by no means the only sport in history that's done something like that. My Mum and Aunt went to Wimbledon around 1981 and the whole day was rained off meaning they also sat on their arses in the pouring rain for nothing to happen. But because 1 serve had been played, not even on their bloody tennis court, they weren't entitled to a refund.
I'm not saying it's not a pisstake but this is unfortunately a fairly common thing
I mean they already stated in terms and conditions in the tickets if they finish certain lap they will not pay any refund
Luckily I never payed but it still sucked.
they witnessed an epic race, with mazepin setting the fastest lap...there is no and there will be no race where this will happen agein
The hilarious thing about Stoddart going all out on Dutch TV (saw it live), was that he was kinda familiar with the reporters, but still asked politely if he could swear on Dutch TV. When he was told he could, he went full Günther Steiner. Stoddart ranted for a full three minutes, and it was beautiful.
I mean, appearantly it's weird that we're allowed to swear on tv😂
He went full Guenther Steiner at a race where Guenther Steiner was actually there as well
@@Spermwhales93 I only learned (realised) that a full decade later, and it's a beautiful coincidence.
th-cam.com/video/bY7IdWpqYXI/w-d-xo.html Found it. It's basically Stoddart being angry because he knows his team is toast, as it had no chance of getting a constructors' P9 anymore, and it basically folded and became Toro Rosso next season. This race wasn't necessarily the full reason, but it gave the final push to the little Minardi.
Every few years I have to go back and listen to that epic interview.
Imagine being a fan at either Indy or Spa, you spent months, or even a whole year planning to go, you go there, in hopes of seeing a good race, only to witness a fustercluck of either event.
My dad was at that Indy race, he went every year they came to Indy. He was so confused on what was happening and can remember everyone around him booing like crazy and leaving right then and there.
@@Rand0mContnt i was at Spa 2021... oh boy... they held us there and gave us hope that the race would start... but we all know what happend at the end...
Yeah mate, first time I got the weekend off in years but after waiting for two hours in the rain I just pissed off home again.
You mean clusterfuck.
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 woooooosh. That one zipped over your head🤣🤣🤣
15:30 To add, that "no tyre change"-rule was specifically created to fuck over Ferrari. All their struggles in 2005, they had because the FIA set out to nerf Ferrari as much as possible. The one race where it comes back to bite the others in their arses, I do not blame them one bit for not showing solidarity.
I wouldn't say it was. OK, it was a rule change which likely has an effect to pecking order as each team had to build a car with minimum tyre wear in sight. The big thing IMO was that Michelin had seven teams and Bridgestone three, of which two were poorest teams on the grid who couldn't test much.
@@Siniset Nope, it was specifically meant to target Ferrari. The tyre advantage was one of the big reasons for their dominance, since Bridgestone managed to build incredibly fast tyres that were however less durable than the Michellins. Ferrari used those to have incredible speed and get away with one pitstop more than the other, since it also meant they could run lower fuel loads, increasing speed, while at the same time decreasing tyre wear (due to less weight because of lower fuel levels).
This advantage was specifically targeted by the FIA. It wasn't the only one either, 2005 really was a "fuck Ferrari"-season, they were simply tired of the Schumacher-domination as it also showed in tv ratings.
@@Siniset The reason it gets labeled as specifically an anti-ferrari change is that only Ferrari were pulling off 3, and even 4 stop races on the regular. Yes, other teams ran the stickier, thinner Bridgestones, but their cars lacked the combination of low drag, high downforce, and great engine power to make the most use of the bridgestones. So while you have the cartoon level antics of Schumacher pulling off a 4-stop win by torching the second fastest car by two seconds a lap, you also have Jordan and Minardi fighting for the title of "the least worst" cars on the grid while struggling to do a 2-stop on their same bridgestones. So while all bridgestone teams got hurt, there was zero reason to aim for two of the four, AND you had Sauber switch from Bridgestone to Michelin becuase they just got tired of having to worry about tire life so much for so little gain. If at least one other top-5 team used Bridgestone, I'd concede it wasn't a purely anti-Ferrari move. But when the only teams that run it are the championship winners and the literal slowest cars on the grid...it's obvious who they were aiming for.
2005 was just a joke
@@Siniset meaning Ferrari had a bespoke tyre supplier
Quick addition:
In July of 2005, the FIA reversed the verdicts against the Michelin teams because of some information that had been disclosed but missed due to an oversight in the original hearing: if the Michelin teams had raced, they would've been liable for criminal charges under Indiana state law for knowingly racing despite the risk of injury/death to drivers, spectators, and others. After that was brought up, the FIA immediately reversed the verdicts and exonerated the Michelin teams.
Michelin did the right thing
For those who don’t know, the seven teams were cleared of the offence of “wrongfully refusing to allow their cars to start the race” after the World Motorsport Council was reminded that, should the worst happen, the State of Indiana would go after the teams on manslaughter charges.
The charges should never have came in the first place, safety first and all that...or apparently not. Particularly as the teams came up with suggestions to allow them to race but were shot down by the FIA.
@@lolzlolz69 I'll say the same thing here as I've said everywhere else - there is ZERO guarantee that the track changes would've solved the blowouts. So ignoring the fact that the FIA would voluntarily waive their own ruling that a track needs all layout changes and rennovations tested to receive certification to run them, you're still looking at the embarassment of teams needing to potentially retire in the middle of the race because their tires still blow up despite the changes! As much as I, as a fan, like the idea of teams finding a solution to have a good race, at the end of the day - no one knew what was going on, especially Michelin - the people behind the panic in the first place.
@@themanwithsauce Track changes were only one suggestion and I agree late changes like that are a no no. But there was no harm in letting the Michelin cars go through the pit lane or pit for tyres at the expense of points and positions.
@@lolzlolz69 It would still be an farce to watch.
@@gamefan56 Of course it would, but it would still be slightly better than a 6 car shoot out and pissing on your spectators.
Me: _has watched like 16 different videos on the Indy race 2005_
Also me: "Oh wow can't wait to see what this was about"
Maybe the 17th time has a different outcome. You gotta watch to be sure 😂
@@jacksonkronland5676 Shrödinger's F1 race, you don't *really* know the outcome until you've watched it
@@MentalParadox Maybe there was a race that sucked that WASN'T Indy in 2005?
I'm actually proud to have attended this race. It's one of the most memorable races in F1 history. It's not very often you get to be an eye witness to such an historic event.
Memorable for all the wrong reasons, mind you, but memorable nonetheless.
Same way with me and the Miami Grand Prix - yeah there were flaws here and there, but going to an F1 race is a bucket list for everyone!
Like watching the Titanic sink.
It's like going to a baseball game and watching your team have a no hitter pitched against them. It sucks, but it's still cool to see something so rare in person.
YOU'RE SIIIIICK!!
I was at the Indy race in 2005 right at the first corner at the end of the straight. It was my first F1 race and very nearly my very first riot too. When the 14 cars retired, people were *pissed* and started throwing Foster's Oil Cans onto the track, one very nearly hitting Schumacher. It was really, really ugly.
This pretty much killed f1 at Indianapolis
@@treyblaze22 We received the free tickets for the next year which was great but the 2005 "event" was a massive disappointment. We spent a small fortune getting down there from New England, renting an RV, and buying tickets only to watch that joke of a procession. In the video, you can see the track worker removing the beer which went down right in front of us.
I remember the Foster's can being chucked on the track. It missed Schuey, but Barrichello ran over it with his rear tire.
It was bloody awful as a lifelong F1 fan. Considering the Michelin teams were prepared to do anything it took to race, it was Ferrari who stopped it all. It didn't do anything for my feelings towards that team... (I know Charlie and the FIA were massively involved, but there was a lot of Ferrari interference.)
@@treyblaze22 It pretty much killed F1 in the U.S., period. It literally took them building their own track (COTA) for them to get back to the U.S..
I was a teen in 2005 having watched racing all my life because of my dad. This was my very first Grand Prix that I got to attend. What a way to be introduced to the sport in person. We left after a couple laps and went to go see Batman Begins. Still a fun weekend, but what a mess. I'm glad I got to see the subsequent two races at Indy, especially seeing Hamilton in his first year.
Well, at least you watched a good movie xD
2022 batman is 5 times better tho
@@diogotomas3959 ok zoomer
@@diogotomas3959 no
@@diogotomas3959 agreed
Crazy thing is F1 "reimbursed" the spectators of SPA 2021 with 1 year of F1 TV Access ... I'll let you Google how much that's worth ... lol
Ain't that like, 50-60 dolla? Bruh
27 x 213000 (approx) - that’s like 5 mill damn
@@the2ndmtn Don't cost them much to give it out though
@@the2ndmtn 5 mil is nothing to f1. also each ticket was a few hundred euros.
@@the2ndmtn Hardly anything for a sport who's competitors call 140 million for an annual development budget "too low".
I remember playing F1 2006 and in the loading screens it would have facts about drivers such as "Tiago Monteiro's best finish was 3rd in the 2005 US GP" and "Christijan Albers best finish was 5th in the US GP", and I thought that most have been one crazy race when a Jordan and a Minardi finished in the points. Then I looked it up and learned the reason...Yikes!
This was my first F1 race attendance. What made it worse was that there was no Twitter or Instagram back then to follow the drama on the paddock, so my friends and I along with a bunch of people at the circuit were clueless as a bunch of cars were pulling in right after the formation lap.
I don't think the lack of Twitter and Instagram makes anything worse.
It's a plus in my book. Always.
@@gandalf_thegrey it’s a negative if you don’t have any way of knowing what’s going on, Standing sround thinking you’re going to see your favourite drives race for near 2 hours, only to find out right at the start of the race 3/4 of the teams won’t be participating is awful.
@@ryanfletcher1899 sounds like a skill issue mate
Someone, somewhere has only been to two F1 races in their life, and those races were USA 2005 and Belgium 2021. Pray for that person.
Imagine being a teen excited to go on your first GP with your dad. having saved up a couple hundred or even thousand of dollars for the trip, just to get an absolute shit show, absolutely killing all your liking for the sport.
15 years pass and, although the sour taste of USA 2005 is still on your mouth, you've came to love the sport once again, you're now an adult, you have a job, a family and a kid, you'd like to get his entered into the world of motorsports and so travel to Belgium to see Spa 2021...
"This left a very bitter taste in the mouth of, well, everyone" yeah, everyone except for George Russell
And Max Verstappen
Who can blame him? That made a _massive_ change to Williams' future.
As for Max, I don't think he took any pleasure from it at all.
Come on behave seeing a Williams driver on the podium was awesome, i know it wasnt ideal conditions but still.
@@y_fam_goeglyd yeah definitely not max, I mean the guy was the most insisting on having a real race
@@y_fam_goeglyd it did help him win the championship tho
Mate, even a year on and I'm not over my "first f1 race" I'm Belgian, work in restaurants, finally was able to get a weekend off just to piss about in the rain....
You gonna go this year mate?
@@Indskret We'll see what the weather is like 😉
@@KlaximumSkroeft Hope we get a proper race this time and I hope you get to go :D
@@Ahuja_Samir Seconded. I hope Maxim Seynaevre gets to experience a real race at Spa. I know I'd *freaking* love to.
Unlucky 😢
Installation of the chinane was rejected because it was never tested. There would be huge legal issues for the FIA and F1 had they installed that chicane and some kind of incident happened on the track.
My favourite part is how the GP circuit now includes a chicane.
This. There were a lot of legal hurdles getting in the way towards finding a satisfying solution. Not to say that Ferrari and Mosley weren't putting their own hurdles along with the existing hurdles, but there was a lot more going on. One of the only two viable solutions found within 48 hours, the Michelin runners going through the pitlane every time, would have meant that they likely weren't going to be classified, because they would be 20 laps behind. The other solution, letting the FIA approve of the second batch of tires quickly, probably had some hurdles as well. Letting them race would have meant that Michelin was taking their hands off of it all, in case something bad would happen. It was just an ugly shitshow.
So if someone would've let the FIA know about the extra degradation, this all would've been avoided. Not sure who that falls on though.
@@raremediumdonewell I've heard FIA cleared the Michelin Teams to have in race Pitstops. But it was logistically impossible to get additional tires for each team to the track in that short amount of time.
@@khawajabasit977 Yeah, that was one of several hurdles regarding that. There was just no way to get a proper solution.
I was there with my family and I remember being in a state of disbelief when all the Michelin cars pulled into their garages. We ended up leaving around lap 15 because the atmosphere was getting ugly. When we left we were walking south on Georgetown Road and there Indiana State Police and Indianapolis Metro Police in riot gear with riot shields standing in formation but letting people through if they wanted to leave.
Hey man, not sure if you're gonan see this but would you be up for an interview about your experiences? It's for an F1 publication!
@ I’d be down for an interview. The only problem is I won’t have free time until after the new year because of work.
@@AndyS-kv2jh that’s okay! I’m on a few different platforms. Is there a way I can private message you to tell you a bit more about it?
The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was technically a race. At least the 2005 U.S GP actually had racing.
It did not lmao
Pris
@@antheusmain there was the battle for third place and technically first before ferrari told their drivers to hold station. The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was the worst race in Formula One History. Not the 2005 U.S Grand Prix
For me, there's definitely a big difference that makes 2005 US worse than 2021 Spa. Spa 2021 was a disaster, no denying that, but at least it was a disaster through events that couldn't be controlled (AKA unrelenting weather and the safety issues which come with heavy rain following the events of Japan 2014). Sure, there were things that they could control that they could have done WAY more about to make the situation better, but the majority of the problem was through uncontrollable events.
2005 US was a disaster, and even worse than 2021 Spa because it was through events that could be controlled. There were solutions where the Michelin runners could be part of the race without risking safety. However, various people within the decision making process said no. For that reason alone, it's a worse race than 2021 Spa
problem is in the 2005 US grand prix, neither f1 or the fia gave out refunds. it was michelin who refunded it even though they werent their refunds to pay. in spa 2021 at least f1 owned up to it, and at least in spa 2021 we didnt have the hot tempered son of a fascist with a dictatorial personality as the fia presdent
The rules changes to neuter Ferrari for the season had worked; they hadn't won a race until this US GP weekend. It cost F1 a tremendous amount as a result, though, & may explain why the rules change so little & so infrequently today.
I was there for this race. When the race started, we in the stands had *no idea* what was going on; the crowd became angry & frustrated & it got incredibly tense. It was sincerely frightening.
It was also Father's Day & we took my dad to this, nearly his last F1 race in person.
A really awesome side story related to this is the 2005 USA MotoGP race. The first race in America since 1994. This race happened only like 2 weeks after, and resulted in a USA 1-2. With American Nicky Hayden getting his first MotoGP win at his home race!
Just watched a whole documentary on this particular MotoGP race, it's on prime if anyone wants to see it: The Doctor, The Tornado & The Kentucky Kid
Look up the 2008 Brickyard 400 sometime. The new Car of Tomorrow, and extremely abrasive surface, and Goodyear tires that wore out so fast NASCAR had to start using "Competition yellows" to slow the field every 10-12 laps, giving teams a chance to replace tires before they blew. It got so bad the teams were treating the race as a series of sprint races between cautions, waiting for the last to go all out. The legacy of this was declining attendance, a race that became a processional every year, and eventually the decision to move to the road course in hopes of having a decent event
Bad call, nascar needs Indianapolis oval
@@devonmartinez780 No they don’t.
The Brickyard 400 was a pretty dam boring race.
It took all the majesty out of the Brickyard 400. Even if the race was kinda boring, it's still Indianapolis. Unfortunately, NASCAR fans couldn't give less of a shit about it because of that disaster. Goodyear had a terrible year in general that season as well. I also think this race cemented the CoT as a failure in most fans eyes, which is a shame since the CoT actually had some good racing, especially from 2010-2012
The road course was pretty good but I would wonder what the oval would race like with the Next Gen car. Given how good the oval racing has been so far this year, with the exception of Martinsville, mostly thanks to the weather causing a lack of rubber on the track, it certainly leaves the door open for NASCAR to give Indy another rodeo at the oval. Plus, it could mark the return of Jimmie Johnson for a one-off race since he expressed interest in that recently.
If a TH-cam video could get an Oscar someday, this one will for sure.
SlapSh0es made this video 2 years ago
Não esperava verem vocês por aqui, mas ao mesmo tempo, não é surpresa:
Esse neozelandês é massa.
1. You have to buy an Oscar, they dont give them out based on actual merit
2. He's not part of their industry and therefore can't participate in Hollywood's circle jerk.
@@bigbusiness7035 but Slap's video forces a bit towards NASCAR, which is not relevant towards F1 at all. I think Josh's gets the point across a bit better because of that.
@@MatheusMichelin I agree, since both do videos sometimes about other Motorsport but Josh is a Formula One TH-camr and Slapshoes is a Nascar TH-camr
My father and I went to the F1 race at Indy every year. A lot of people have asked me about this race, and if I was angry, or disappointed. Heck no. This was entertainment. F1 is more than just the racing. It's the politics and the behind the scenes machinations. It's the constructors plotting against one another. This was an amazing event to attend. I can always say I was there.
Fun side story. Every year on Sunday morning you could buy an event t-shirt with the race logo on the front, and the starting grid on the back. The next year I wore that shirt with red paint crossing out the Michelin runners. I got a lot of comments on that shirt that day. LOL!
That’s amazing
You witnessed a double points finish for Minardi. This only happened one other time (Silverstone 1989). I'd love to have witnessed even one Minardi in the points... but I'm weird...
The azzwipe that threw the beer can summed up the intellect of the usa.
Hey man, not sure if you'll see this but would you be up for an interview to talk about your experiences of the race? It's for an F1 publication!
@@michaelhartzfeld9427 haha, amazing! What’s your email address? I will only take up around 20 minutes of your time and can be any time that suits you. (The piece will be live for you to view in June!) I can just explain a little bit about who I am and what I do over email, etc 😊
I was there for that. Right before the race started my dad said "we probably want to start getting out of here. It's gonna be bad." He had a radio thing set up to be able to listen to the teams talk. We got up and were at the stairs leaving the stands when the anger started. We made it to the car and dad was still listening and said "be glad we left. It's really bad."
Clutch from your Dad to be informed and get out of there
I had the privilege of going to this race when I was 10. My dad and I were some of the few that stayed for the whole event, mostly because a) the price of the tickets and b) I was a huge Ferrari fangirl at the time. As awful as this race was though, and the legacy it left, I still maintain that F1 needs to come back there. It's way more accessible to those on the East Coast and Midwest, was VERY affordable compared to the current USGP at Austin (like $120 for 3 days), and a chicane has been installed at the final turn to make sure there isn't any more tire controversies moving forward. Considering the history the track holds, it'd be far better imo than a race in Miami or Vegas.
I think the only reason for a race in Miami and Vegas is for money. Because both places will pay millions to hold F1 and fans will spend millions on tickets so a win win for F1. It is a grade 1 circuit so F1 can go there but I don't want to see too many races in the US. I'd rather have another race in Italy at either Misano or Mugello than Miami. I think 2 US races is a good amount, LV and Indy
If they held a fourth race in the US a riot would probably start
@@CatchiestWorm12 a riot would start in the US even if they didn’t hold a 4th race. Anything can start a riot there
@@nathanmcdowell7306 I mean with non-American F1 fans. People were really pissed when they announced the Las Vegas race too lmao
@@CatchiestWorm12 I’m glad they have it but just for the drivers. The drivers will love the track and the after party. The drivers deserve some good places to race even if the racing may not be that good
Another thing to add to this whole deal
When the FIA and Mosely threaten to make the event Non FIA Sanctioned if they went ahead with any of Michellins Propsals, the teams actually called their bluff and said that they would hire their own officials, it was then that the FIA put their foot down and all the Michelin cars proceeded to retire on lap 0? 1? Idk
I can´t blame the FIA. A rule is a rule ans it applies to every team. And that rule is (roughly): every track of the upcoming season has to have an acceptance test by the FIA. When this is done, the track owner is forbidden to change anything (adding a new surface doesn´t count). So the FIA can say to the teams: "ok, these are the circuits of the next season, now it´s up
to you." Basically, this is to prevent any team from wanting a last minute change of the track to better suit their cars performance.
So the FIA had every right saying: "if you brake that rule, we won´t counting that race." And all the the teams were fine with that, even only to put on a show for the crowd, except for one: Ferrari.
They said: "We are perfectly prepared for this race, if you are not, that´s not our fault."
@@ertwander They'd still end laps behind, not in contention, Bridgestone teams would win, and fans would see more racing behind the first. Also they offered to run without points.
This was really just a power-move by FIA and Ferrari, Max Mosley, more FIARRARI stuff.
The irony of Mosley pulling this when he did the same as part of FOCA in 1980 at Spain.
@@tiadaid wow that was some strange GP at 1980 at Spain,
@@Albtraum_TDDC How the fuck this is a power move by Ferrari? They were there, they could race. Any team would do the same. FIA-Ferrari thing was so stupid back then, and it sounds even more stupid now. FIA specifically designed 2005 rules to kerb Ferrari's dominance. They didn't do anything like this against Merc later. If FIA was Ferrari's tool, we would have 5 more years of Ferrari dominance
"If Michael does a victory leap on the podium I'm personally going to go and punch him" Martin Brundle
Yeah I was gonna say this! Schumacher seemed quite respectful on the podium.
It's crazy that Bridgestone were having an awful 2005 and struggling to keep up with Michelin.
Then this race happens and the French brand are so embarrassed they are out of the sport by 2007 ending tyre wars in F1 to this day.
There's a lot of opportunity for equipment wars in motorsport. As a nascar fan of 20 years, I can tell you that tires are NOT the thing that you want to be messing with to gain an edge. Let one company make them, and make them good. As soon as someone has to start cutting corners to gain an edge, disaster is just waiting to happen.
@@sleepdeep305 the problem with nascar was lack of proper technical rules and homologation, not the fact that there were multiple suppliers
Weirdly enough, Ralf Schuhmacher was called live on German TV on race day (he was already back home by the time). And he was completely fuming over the fact that racing with these tires was even discussed, especially since what happened to him.
I still remember the interview very well.
Ralf must hate Indy, he’s had a tyre blow which left him nearly out for the season in 2004, and then it happened AGAIN at the same corner in 2005
What are the chances man
17:30, speaking of indycar, I think they also did a race that was just following the pace car along through a nonstop rain, but I think it went at least 20 laps
That was 2002 Champcar Race at Queensland, it would have been just as controversial as Spa 2021 if not moreso but nobody cared about the CCWS by that point
@@BrandonA1
It was 2002, so it wasn't CCWS yet. It was still CART.
I though you speaking about of 2015 GP of Louisiana. It was also like that
@@BrandonA1
1. Lack of fan interest for CART/ CCWS interest- was that tied to their attempt to go ahead with a race at a track that likely would’ve made drivers pass out behind the wheel?
2. Is that Queensland disaster why indycar races outside of The US/ Canada have become non-existent in the last 15 years? It seems like they could get nice publicity if they held a race at an F1 host track. A diverse grid is guaranteed. The most recent Indianapolis 500s have been won by an Aussie, a Frenchman, a Japanese, and a Brazilian.
@@warriorterra i don’t think indycar’s ever raced in Louisiana.
1:00 Those guys with the Portuguese flag probably went home happy!
I watched every lap of this 'race'. Hearing Paul Stoddart cursing on live television was pure joy.
7:49 As a Hoosier, presuming a witch is a thing in Indiana is a good bet. They live in the areas no one knows of and it takes forever to get to while watching what looks like the same crop field. That’s how they get you. Oh wait, that’s just grandmothers.
This was genuinely the first race I remember watching as like a 8 year old, maybe because I was a kid I quite enjoyed it at the time as it was crazy. Might be the one of a few people to get into F1 from watching that shambles
A lot of Portuguese peoplegot into f1 after that race. The tv ratings grew so much that it triggered a move of f1 to paid tv
@@fgsaramago really? That’s fascinating, I guess controversy does attract attention haha
@@SirANK8 its more the fact that Monteiro got 3rd ;)
Last season of F1 definitely seems of a good contender as "one of the weirdest seasons F1 ever had" in sort of speak. Not only about the quali-race happened in Spa (Williams got P2 tho which was definitely unusual)... But literally only Hamilton starting at the grid in the Hungarian GP... Just imagine how freaking odd is that to see literally 1 car starting the race on the grid and the rest starting from the pits 😂
It does make me feel happy about the current season going on. We already got Haas in the points, Williams in the points as well... Finally there isn't a total domination by Mercedes (sorry Merc fans) and we get to see more skill based racing on the grid which is something racing should always go around. With that been said, we see tons of mechanical problems considering the make of the cars and the cars themselves as much as they are fast, they are truly unstable and unhealthy for the drivers to handle. Still is one of the best season starts ive seen in recent years of F1.
fun fact, i actually went to this race (was in the womb) but my parents said it was the worst thing ever and stopped watching f1 after that completely. I brought them back 😈😈
Bro, you watched Tiago Monteiro get a podium.
That's a pretty huge feat imo.
lol this is funny because I will sometimes tell people that my first race was the 1983 Detroit Grand Prix-also in the womb
i think bro was one of the first to use the term "cooked" at 8:33 because today everyone uses it.
Jordan's last podium 🥲
“It’s gone quite quickly, hasn’t it? I mean… it’s the end of the race! I’m sure there’s been more boring ones from time to time.” - Brundle, 2005
I think this video misses some major points about the legal ramifications of changing the circuit at all, and takes a bit too much advantage of hindsight. At the time of the event, the FIA stamped their foot down not just because of the safety of the chicane, but because the circuit was not *tested* with the chicane. They'd literally be changing the modifications to the track the day of an event with very very minimal time to do any testing or sighting, and there was still no guarantee that it would fix the problem. That lack of guarantee was the real issue here - If the FIA broke their own rules about certifying a circuit to a standard meant for formula 1 just to attempt to avoid a problem and it still didn't work out, they were afraid other circuits would complain (and if you look at it in a greedy light, the FIA might've been a bit concerned that they'd ask for refunds on circuit rennovations if a different track was allowed to run a race without the certification).
There was also the issue with their event insurance and local laws. I don't know the exact definition but there were many concerns that if they modified the track in a significant way, but someone got hurt or killed (driver, crew worker, spectator), then the event insurance wouldn't cover it due to the changes and they could be on a major legal hook.
Looking back on it, people are quick to point out one solution or antoher, but in the heat of the moment, they did the safest choice of action after giving Michelin time to fly in new tires and try and solve the problem on their own end. At the end of the day, this was Michelin's problem, not the FIA or F1's. I get that it isn't a good answer, but the root cause of the issue is simple - this is what happens in racing when there's a tire war. This was always going to happen given enough races with two or more suppliers of tires as speeds and downforce levels increased. This will happen again if we have another tire war. This is why most series at the top level of motorsports use a spec tire supplier.
And to beat the inevitable "but PirRelLi TIrEs iN 2013!" comment to the punch - when you have one supplier and spec of tires available for everyone, then you can get a consensus during events like this because no team has an advantage over the other just because they signed a tire deal with someone else. They all have to use the same tires which makes it a lot easier to cut through the politics and come to an agreement of the solution. There will still be politics, sure, but not nearly to this degree and it will pass and everyone will move on.
Cranky Yankee f1 and slapshoes both did videos on this topic and they discussed the details that you bring up just in case you want a different view point
I mean it was F1s and the FIAs problem. You promised the fans a race so you must deliver. They still couldve done things like allow the pit stops every 10 laps or for them to go thru the pits. Both of those options dont risk safety and the Michelin teams are still screwed over. There obviously isnt a perfect answer but the FIA rightly got criticized for how they handled it.
@@zephyr6877 nah even if they are allowed to go to the pits it isn’t fair to the bridgestones teams who came ready and prepared for the race the fault here is laid 100% in michelin
@@zephyr6877 they did have a race - only 6 cars could participate as they were the only ones with compliant equipment for the course and rules. How did the FIA fail to supply a race? They had the crew, the venue, and the broadcasting all handled and sorted.
People: A 6-car race is NOT fun 😭😭
Gran Turismo 4 fans: WOOOHOOOOOOOO
Josh back at his best!
Finally a lengthy video without a need to watch it at 0,75x
I remember watching this on Dutch TV back in the day.
The beautiful commentary from the Minardi guy is still the best thing that happened that weekend.
This may have been an abject failure... and yet, I'm still so happy for Tiago that day.
Let's be fair. I think most drivers in that position would go nuts. I would ha
Me too. He earned it. Beat all the drivers his car was capable of. Good for him.
Extra Fact: At that time, the drivers had to do their final quali laps on race fuel, so it might suggest that Toyota was planning not to race, since Trulli's car had way less fuel
13:39 Eddie Jordan as a marshal? LMAO
This ain't the first time I've heard this story, but god this is probably the best written one yet. You're just getting better with each post, mate!
i swear to god every f1 youtuber has an obligatory 2005 us gp video
this topic has been milked to DEATH
Worse, it keeps getting spun more and more like some hit piece towards ferrari and the FIA. It's like for this topic, and this topic alone, the FIA is consistent and firm in upholding its rules and people COMPLAIN.
Think the 2005 Indy GP and Andrea Moda are required videos for all F1 TH-camrs
Indy and Milk go good together. It’s only likes it’s a month away from the Indy 500.
We need a video on the 1975 Spanish GP or the 1953 Argentine GP. Both a lot worse than USA 2005
@BallersKingdom you mean the exposition+snarky comment/joke structure he's been using since the beginning of time? Sure yeah that'll save this dead horse of a topic
My dad was never into car racing, but he knew I was OBSESSED with F1. Many Sunday mornings he'd get up to watch the races with me to see what all the fuss was about. But those years turned if off racing and the possibility of him ever became a fan vanished for three main reasons. First, the Schumacher dominance of the early 00s, second, the controversial end of the '02 Austrian GP, and the final nail in the coffin, the '05 US Grand Prix.
Obrigado Tiago, continuas a ser uma lenda 🇵🇹
The pride of Portugal 😂😂
Grande Tiago Monteiro!!! 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
I remember watching this race live. I was so confused why people were throwing bottles on the track and why there were only 6 cars racing.
This incident was so bad that NASCAR TH-camrs talked about.
*cough cough s1apsh0es*
Did you know that not even the Bridgestone runners had the same tyres as each other?
I heard an interview with former Jordan engineer Gary Anderson and he said that Jordan had done tyre testing for Bridgestone and Ferrari but that the spec tyres they would get for races were cheaper.
This is the benefit of having a single tyre manufacturer in that all teams get the same set of treads.
Hahahaha love seeing Tiago Monteiro celebrate and not give a f*** 😂 Bless 😂😂 Regardless of the circumstances, Tiago Monteiro made our tiny country of Portugal proud just by being an F1 driver 👏🏻🇵🇹
I was 18 back then, watching the race live, and was pretty embarrassed that a Portuguese guy would do that, haha. But I'm happy that, with time, the world grew to understand his position.
It has absolutely rebounded here in the USA. I've been a fan since I was a kid, and always kind of felt like an outsider. But because of drive to survive, it seems like I have people come and talk to me about F1 all the time. I think we're getting into a golden era for us...
Do not blame FiA or the IMS for this fiasco, blame Michelin for not even testing tires at this track after significant changes were made to the surface of the asphalt. Bringing a tire that may last 10 laps of a 70+ lap race when changing tires was disallowed by the rules was a major mistake. Bridgestone had no problems with its’ tires. Michelin expecting the track and/or rules be changed over their mistake was an unbelievable request, sort of like a spoiled brat crying because of some selfish reason. As for the teams using Michelin tires, could they had not run on Bridgestones instead?
At this point I've watched like 15 videos from different channels talking about the Indianapolis 2005 race, I even watched the race live on TV as a kid, but that won't stop me of watching another one.
ALL the props for the Bo Jackson reference!! He’s the TRUE G.O.A.T.!!!
Josh, you left out an important detail. From what I recollect, the state of Indiana would have a lawsuit against F1 over the safety grounds of knowing the tyres were dangerous. I forget the exact wording and who would have been named as the defendants, but it would have been another serious issue that may have completely nixed the next two US GPs at Indy as well. So it was also the best interest for the Michelin teams to have not raced at all for that particular issue.
Spa 2021 is worse and a way bigger joke. They should have moved that race to Monday. Indycar has done it with a Pocono race in the early 2010s and Barber race in 2018. There are still no answers from Liberty and FIA why masi didn't move the race to Monday...
I love the hesitation in your voice as you're about to make the joke about a certain accommodating someone
1:10 is that a young guentner Steiner ?
It is indeed Guenther. He was with Red Bull F1 that year before leaving for the US to run other motorsport stuff for them for a couple years. He was also with Jaguar for a couple years, although ironically not at the time they were bought by Red Bull.
Video turned out bloody amazing bro! Still can’t believe this happened. What a dark day in Motorsport..
Anyone else notice Gunther Steiner? @1:10
I just realized that was Gunther Steiner working for Red Bull standing with Bernie in that one shot on the grid. That's hilarious lmao
To me, the worst race was the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix. In what would turn out to be the last race to be staged at the Montjuïc Park (I hope I spelled it right) street circuit in Barcelona, there was controversy before the cars even took to the track for practice. Many of the posts for the Armco barriers were not properly embedded in the tarmac as they should have been. Teams and drivers refused to take to the track until these were addressed. Rather than doing so, the organisers, bearing in mind that Spain was still run under the dictatorship of Fransisco Franco at the time, threatened the teams with legal action, blackmailing them to run in unsafe conditions. To avoid legal ramifications but still express their displeasure, many drivers, including the then reigning champion Emerson Fittipaldi, just did the minimum participation of 3 laps over the whole weekend and deliberately failed to qualify. His brother Wilson also decided not to race along with Arturo Mezario, but most of the rest of the field took the start. The two Ferraris of Niki Lauda and Clay Regazzoni, which started on the front row, collided at the first corner, along with Mario Andretti and Vittorio Brambilla. James Hunt took the lead and held it until lap 6 when he crashed after sliding off from oil laid down by Jody Scheckter's blow engine, and from there, Andretti led most of the race (from laps 7-16). Then the Hill Embassy Racing driver Rolf Stommelen took the lead and after briefly losing the lead to Carlos Pace, held it until lap 25 when disaster struck. Just as Stommelen crested a rise, in near identical circumstances as his team boss, Graham Hill did in 1969, his rear wing came adrift. The sudden loss of rear downforce pitched the car into a spin, got airborne and smashed into a spectator enclosure, killing 4 spectators and leaving the driver with a broken leg, broken wrist and cracked ribs. Shamefully, the race continued for 4 more laps before being halted.
Jochen Mass took his first and only F1 win (which would turn out to be the last for a German driver until a certain Michael Schumacher won at Spa in 1992), Jacky Ickx was classified second and Carlos Reutemann third. Poor Jochen Mass couldn't even enjoy his win, still livid with what happened over the weekend, it was all he could do to not stick one on the members of the organisers who presented him with his race winning prize. Overshadowed by what happened, classified in sixth place, scoring half a point as the race didn't reach the distance for full points to be awarded, was the first and so far only female driver to have a points finish in F1, Lella Lombardi. After alternating with Jarama in even numbered years from 1969 Montjuïc Park never hosted another Grand Prix again after the farce that was the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix
Jeezus…. And that makes this 05’ race look like a walk in the park
You know what's similar between USA 2005 and Belgium 2021? Russell and Monteiro got their first podiums in their career and they were just too happy to realise that the races were a joke.
I think that this was a better race than some in the previous couple of years. It at least gave something to talk about. When Schumacher’s winning every single race there’s very little to say about it. There was also a genuine challenge from Barrichello as mentioned in the vid, whereas usually Rubens would leap out of the way
Oh yay another video on this.
The holy trinity of F1 creators
- Tyre controversy 2005
- Spygate
- Crashgate
Fun fact: this was just 2nd race in the f1 history where all the cars that started the race didn't retire
Thats sounds like complete BS
@@Chuckus I mean, tehnically 6 cars started the race and 6 cars finished the race, so all the cars finished it
What was the first?
@@Duval-In-The-Wall 1961 Dutch GP, 15 cars started
Great video. There are many videos on youtube talking about that farce, but only very few of them point out that Bridgestone came prepared thanks to the data from Firestone.
But there is one important detail you missed as well:
Several weeks before the race Michelin requested to do a test at Indy. They were very well aware that the new surface could change the amount of tyre wear, and they wanted to check it out and collect some data for themselves.
At the time there was no limit about how much testing you could do. However, there was a rule in place that limited testing to circuits that would not hold a race later on in the season. The only way to get an exception for this was if all teams as well as both tyre suppliers agreed to it.
Obviously all Michelin teams agreed to allow the test (even if most of them were not interested in taking part themselves due to freight costs) but Bridgestone and Ferrari blocked it. I'm not sure if Jordan and Minardi ever took a side on it, but it would not matter anyways since Ferrari and Bridgestone would not let that test go ahead anyways.
Michelin, who would pay for the track (including all the safety crews and equipment, etc.) invited Bridgestone to take part in the test as well. But they had no interest. At that point they had already gotten the Firestone data, they knew what to expect, and they wanted to keep Michelin in the dark.
Both Manufacturers brought new tyre compounds to that race, special tyres that would not be used again on any other circuit. But while Bridgestones tyres were perfectly suited for the new track surface, Michelin had severely underestimated the additional wear caused by the diamond grinding treatment.
Speaking about f1 2005 season in general there’s a lot of similarities to this season:
Mercedes are being Ferrari (slow AF)
Ferrari are being Renault (fast + reliable)
Red Bull being McLaren (fastest + breaks down)
Well, this time, Ferrari & Red Bull switched their roles. Ferrari being 2005 McLaren, while Red Bull being 2005 Renault.
There is a bit more to the story. Earlier in the year, following the diamond grinding, IMS scheduled a series of tire tests for everyone, NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, and MotoGP. Prior to the test Michelin contacted the Speedway to get some information about the new surface, they also asked what the results of the test Firestone had done for the IndyCars was. IMS relayed to them the information that Firestone had provided to them, that despite the grinding the grip levels were still about the same and there was no major difference in overall tire wear. Michelin took this information and based the construction of their new tire on it, when they were to confirm their attendance at the tire test, they asked IMS again what Firestone's results were, IMS repeated the same info, so they declined to attend the test. A test that Bridgestone ALSO declined to attend. The result was, Michelin came with a tire that was based on the previous years data, plus made a bit harder do deal with what little added grip and wear they were expecting based on the data they had been provided by the track. Michelin weren't expecting Bridgestone/Firestone to be so willing to, literally, put lives on the line in order to gain a slight advantage, they were wrong. This is why Michelin were so puzzled about why their tires were failing, everything was lining up with the data they had.
Later in the year there were discussions by Michelin and it's teams of bringing Bridgestone before the FIA and WMSC on some kind of charges of Gross Negligence for Firestone outright lying to the Speedway in order to allow Bridgestone to have an advantage. This never happened, I assume because Michelin just wanted to put the whole episode behind them.
One other thing, the teams were fully prepared to run the race on their own without the FIA. The night before they had all of the personal from the teams setup to perform the different FIA positions for the race. Everyone was on board except for one team, and the others didn't care. They were gonna run this race with or without the red cars. Mosley stepped in and told them they would be in violation of some FIA rule and would all be subject to expulsion from the Championship and the money that would entail.
I love these types of videos and as a fellow race enthusiast, I eat this up like crazy 😂
Edit: For those who want to learn more on the matter and the statistics and insider information the teams and people inside pit lane had on what was happening before, during and after the race, I recommend watching SlapShoes’s video on the disastrous 05 Indianapolis Grand Prix and the missed opportunity of capitalizing on F1 in the US, the rivalry between Michelin and Bridgestone and stakes that were in place in the constructors :)
This is a bit reminiscent of the first NASCAR race at Talladega where most drivers boycotted over tire safety concerns.
NASCAR hasn’t really had stuff like this happen again, either with Spa or the US GP. How is F1 treating their fans like this?
Neither NASCAR or Indycar would treat their fans that badly, no excuse for no refunds for Spa.
The Coca-Cola 600 run at Charlotte about a month prior had similar issues because of the same problem. Goodyear tires kept blowing up throughout the weekend, and diamond grinding was never used by another NASCAR Cup Series track. S1apSh0es brought this up in his video on this race.
I was there. You can see me (15:09 - I'm in the white hat) sitting on the top row at Turn one .We didn't know what was going on. We kept looking back at the starting line. Where were the rest of the cars? About 15 minutes into the race, the word got back to us what had happened. I did get one of the free tickets the next year.
Is that Gunther at 8:49 in the video?
Just wanna ask cuz it looks like him.
Yep, it is. He was with Jaguar when they were bought by Red Bull in 2005
Also at 18:30
One thing to remember: had Michelin teams competed in the race, under the Indiana state law they potentially faced criminal charges for knowingly putting others at risk even if no accident happened. They had no other option apart from pulling out of the race once they knew that no compromise could be reached
I feel like everyone missed the point concerning the race. The real reason why the Michelin runners(Renault, McClaren, BAR, Sauber, Williams, Toyota and Red Bull) retire was due to Indiana state laws where had they raced and if all of the drivers were either seriously hurt or killed, all the Michelin teams would have been charged even if no accident had occurred. As both Ron Denis and Christian Horner have told Mosley about it. On July 22nd, the FIA World Motor Sport Council voted to overturn its previous decision, and exonerated the Michelin teams of all charges. Apparently, someone in the FIA has completely forgotten about these laws. Thankfully, no lives were lost(even though one could argue that common sense was the real loser) And the fact that this comment is ignored really proves that the truth is stranger than fiction
Even if they had been trial under French law, somehow because Michelin is French...
That would have been a world of problem for everyone.
Bro, the fact that you shouted out the Auburn legend, Bionic Bo Jackson, gives you a fan for life
1:09 Günther spotted.
I was at that Race at Spa. I am a huge f1 and I was dreaming to go to a f1 Race. When I got my money in to buy the ticket I was so exited to go there and see the cars race. Ends up to be the worst disappointment I‘ve ever had.
I knew Stoddard was angry about the race, but it never quite occurred to me before *why* he was angry - namely, that it gave Jordan an unassailable points tally and condemned Minardi to last place. So this race not only killed F1's reputation in the US, it also killed the sport's most beloved backmarker. Ouch.
Eeeeehhhh....I love Paul Stoddard for all he did to try and improve the sport from within, but he was being a bit melodramatic there. Minardi's best finish aside from this event was 10th, while Jordan actually scored points (well, one point) later on in the season. Strike the US event from history and Jordan still wins out. Plus, Jordan had been consistently beating them year over year.
Yes, from that moment, he looked at the lead Jorda had and thought "we need at least 3 or 4 more races than them where we score a point or two just to tie" but the opposite happened and Jordan scored an additional point but Minardi didn't place higher than 11th from there out. I get he was trying to vent on behalf of the team but it's not accurate to say that this event killed minardi's season.
9:36 Albert Park, Paul Ricard, Istanbul, and Port Imperial
The worst Formula 1 race of all time......... so far.
I'm a Hoosier from Indy, I was there at that "race" and if I'm putting nicely, we are still pissed.
I remember watching this race live. For all that’s wrong with it, I still watched every lap, even when Brawn asked the two drivers to hold positions after their last pit stop 😅
The least F1 can do in these circumstances is refund the people or have back up plans so fans can feel value of being there.
With Spa as example it’s a bad look to see millionaires and billionaires cry poor over losing money. For a lot of fans the tickets costs is a lot bigger % to the entitled people on the top of the food chain in the sport. Can’t refund plane tickets, accommodation and stuff like that, but refunding the ticket is good PR. Nothing more gross than bringing up fine print hidden amongst a bunch of text covering their ass.
With all the money F1 generates, they should have been given refunds as well as a couple hundred bucks worth of F1 souvenirs that would be shipped to their home addresses at F1's expense. Then, I'd want free tickets to any 1 race of my choice for the next season, and the ticket should be transferrable, should I decide to sell it. That should have been done for every. single. fan. present. That'd be about the only thing that would satisfy me, short of them using a time machine to undo it all. I know vacation time is so precious for most folks, and you simply can't get that wasted part of your life back. Also, if any of the teams feel up to it, let the fans have a quick tour of their favorite team's facilities and a chance to at least shake hands and take a pic with the drivers (if the drivers want to). A few kind gestures and a bit of cash thrown around would have gone a long ways towards tryna make people feel better about the whole incident.
I was there. 30 years old then, i was watching F1 since i was 4. Had moved to Chicago in 2004 and was planning to go to my first F1 race. So excited! Although it is kind of nice to actually be in a historic race, it was history for all the wrong reasons. I was gutted.
racing through the turns 13 and 14 chicane: 😄
*racing through the oval turn 1: 💀*
Accurate summary of the track
*kerb*
5:06 ayyye shoutout Revvie well played sir, well played.
This was good, but your video on this topic was better !
Belgium GP 2021:
Allow me to introduce myself
I've been waiting for you to do this video and I am so happy you did. Fantastic job and perfect timing !
Las Vegas 2023: Hold my beer 🍺
nah, vegas was the best race of the season
The guy doing the commentary was hilarious. Thanks for this gem...very entertaining!
4 freaking hours of my life that I’ll never get back. Good job masi, glad he was sacked. Spa 2021, what a nightmare.
7:30 I love how he was able to translate “I don’t speak English” to the country I am from
I still wonder why people have problems with the Spa ending last season. There was a qualifying for the sport of it. They weren't gifted points. The person who won the qualifying got P1.
Edit: Except people who were there. I understand that they are/were pissed.
I was at the USGP in 2005. It was crazy. This was before I had a smartphone, so I had no access to F1 news or any hint of what was going on. I heard talk of a problem with the Michelin tires when chatting with other fans throughout the weekend, but we had no idea that what was going on. When the Michelin runners pulled into the pits at the end of the formation lap, the speedway erupted in shouting and boos. We almost couldn’t hear the six F1 cars take the start. It was a confusing and strange race. My only consolation was getting to see Tiago Montiero ecstatic on the podium.
Michelin later refunded my ticket, which was nice.