Cant go wrong with PSA. I have a 7.5 300blk psa assembled upper on a spikes tactical snowflake lower, sig romeo5 red dot, sba3 brace, and streamlight hlx on a arisaka light mount
Me: officer it's not a sbr, it's the reformation. Cops: ...Mr. Smith, at this time we're going to have to ask you to put your hands behind your back. Me: but, .....it's the reformation.
Uhh... Except local police enforcement local, state, & federal law. If you had a non-registered nfa rifle, you'd still get arrested. [Speaking as a former state cop]
Yeah, it won't be inconvenient at all, being arrested, having your "firearm" confiscated and sent to ATF/Tech for a ruling, hiring an attorney to avoid prison time... I'll stick with AR pistols.
If pistol braces weren’t a thing this might have caught on. But why trade accuracy and range for a stock over a “brace”, which doesn’t affect either of those things.
I think their terminal ballistics argument is interesting, those rounds do put a lot of damage out when they hit stuff because they immediately tumble.
@@breadman32398 Sometimes they are tumbling before they hit something...that's everyone's point, I think. Poor accuracy up to 50 yards. Very poor accuracy past 200 yards.
@@breadman32398 If a shooter has poor accuracy at 50 yards with a PCC, then yes, they will have very poor accuracy at longer distances. It's all in the shooter. Practice practice practice.
Who wants a rifle that has shit for accuracy and tosses slugs about as stable as from a slingshot? No thanks. Drop an Echo trigger group in a real rifle and then you have something.
MAC had this at the range on a video awhile back. Tim was hitting steel and putting a decent grouping at 100 yards. A FMJ 5.56x45 keyholing will cause massive damage and won't over penetrate. As a PDW this thing has more merit than people are going to give it credit for. It's like a 5.56 AR15 with a 7.5" or 10.5" barrel. People say its pointless because you dont have the velocity of a 16" barrel. Yes you lose velocity and kinetic energy with the short barrels. But even with 7.5" using 62 grain bullets you get the stopping power at 100yards of what a .357 mag? If you ever have to use your gun in defense it will probably be 5ft but definitely not over 100 yards. Am I buying one? No, but o see the value. Most people think in SHTF they are going to be making 500 yard head shots with their 18" AR15. Your not. Besides if they are 500 yards away just let them pass or wait until they get closer. Just some something to think about.
Actually it can ......just do your own reloading with a different ore 😕 Superman is also known as the man of......and presto you have penitrition even better than what's on Walmart's shelf .....just saying , screw the infringement their pushing 😎.
@@InYeshuasHolyName True, but why bother? For the same money I built a 7.5" "pistol" with ALL the bells. For $1300 I have an ar that I can fit in an 8"×8"×5" bag, why spend that much for one I have to make special ammo to get normal performance out of? If I want a pointless bullet hose, I got a tec 9 for that. (It was $100 with 5 32rd mags...dont judge)
I had a Henry 22WMG that was keyholing. I looked down the barrel and had two lines that ran straight down both sides of the barrel. I sent it back, got a rifled barrel and now I love the rifle. The thing is when the bullets hit something, they become unpredictable. Changing direction drastically.
It'd turn my off from everything except I thought it might be a decent home defense option. Low penetration due to the tumbling and no extra paperwork involved.
100 yards is being extremely generous. I'd say its significantly reduced in effectiveness and accuracy past 25 yards. If it was already tumbling this much at 20 feet (about 7 yards) I can't imagine where it would be a bit further out. This is a neat, but overall useless gimmick.
Yeah, hard pass. A malfunction should not be a feature. Get a pistol brace, whatever. If you need a stock and short barrel send in the scary paperwork asking for permission to make it.
This a basically a shotgun that shoots 223 "slugs". Edit: they should make bullets similar to badminton shuttlecocks or skirted pellets to deal with thumbling
This is a great home defense option, imo. Is accurate to at least 100 yards, and even though there is the tumbling, there's no over penetration, it's still dangerous in close proximity. Not as dangerous as rifled barrel. Which is cool
But it's not accurate to 100 yards. It's not even that accurate at 7 yards. That group is at least 4 inches at 7 yards. At 100 yards, you might accidentally hit a low-flying airplane. Or someone's house. Or a random passerby 100 feet to the left or right of whatever you're aiming at.
I appreciate what Franklin Armory has done with this gun but as alot of people have already said, I will just stick with my AR pistol and have the accuracy. But I did just purchase Franklin Armory's Binary trigger and installed it on my Colt AR rifle, haven't gotten to try it out yet but I'm really looking forward to seeing what it will do. May have to get one for my AR pistol as well if I like it in my rifle.🤙
I’m still confused on why people are so intent on paying a tax stamp and registering an sbr. It’s none of the governments business what you have. That’s why it’s a right to keep and bare arms doesn’t matter what configuration that comes in.
Because bureaucracy is a bi.tch, and the _AFT_ (in Bidens words) might shoot your dog if you break one _their_ "rules" . It's unconstitutional but nobody wants to risk going to prison over a technicality. And yes I agree that _Freemen don't ask permission_ but those that say that, sometimes don't get to keep that freedom bc of aforementioned -laws- infringements. I guess we should move to the countryside and start a homestead with my own range? If only my funds allowed such freedoms 😔
You guys are missing the point. Tumbling bullets that shoot straight at close (home defense under 20 yards) range means a nasty wound channel in a home invader without over penetrating. Sounds like a legit home defense option. Swap out the upper with your full length upper and do whatever you want. No trouble with the law for those of us who live behind enemy lines!
Don't get your hopes up, articles say that the ATF has reclassified it as an SBS and is working on new paperwork to process this specific type of "sbs" and as of right now have haulted all sales.
Shotguns have been doing this for years. Although it's a good idea I don't really seeing this design taking off in the firearms community just to get around SBR laws when pistols exist. I think the issue with a rifled 5.56 bullet is gas will make it's way around the bullet without a wad (which would be difficult to incorporate in a rifle round) potentially causing squib loads
That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure that I'd have a need for it. I guess the tumbling bullets would have good stopping power at short range, but with that good stopping power, I wouldn't need to fill the air with that many bullets. I guess that would also prevent overpenetration.
Hmmm, was just reading some of the comments. Lots of negative slamming the weapon. I wonder how many just posted their comments and then entered the contest anyway? If it's so bad, you probably wouldn't want it, so improve the odds for everyone else and don't enter. I'd love to have it myself, and I'd use it on a regular basis at the range.
What's the point of even having those straight lands and grooves? They obviously don't stabilize the bullet. Just make it with a smooth bore. Maybe then it would be classified as a musket?
Lol that was funny, the way it behaves. The fact that it's not rifled it's good enough for me to stay away from it. It's binary trigger on the other hand seems like an amazing feature to just have fun at the range or defending position against multiple contacts if you can hit them properly.
So, my question is can you find ammo with .223 casing and just a ball for a tip? Kind of like shooting a modern-ish musket but instead of powder and wad there's a casing. Could that help with the accuracy?
does having a vertical grip make a rifle/pistol any better to shoot? this just seems like a huge waste of money to me over a regular ar pistol when the sb tactical sba3 brace is so good. and plus you can put a vertical grip on a pistol if the overall length from muzzle threads to buffer tube is 26" which i believe can be done with a 12-13" barrel. sure it wont have a 7.5" barrel but it will shoot a lot better
Is that the key holeing gun? I think it'd be a neat home defense option due to not having to file paperwork and it probably penetrates less that a rifle.
Because its basically a shotgun, and as long a shotgun is manufactured to be short with a butt stock it is legal. You just cannot convert a long shotgun to a short shotgun without a tax stamp. By law the gun is a smooth bore shotgun. Because by legal definition rifling twists, so if it doesn't twist, it isn't rifling. It's complicated and I know there are better explanations online but it is a loophole gun.
Finally a video I needed to confirm the one I am going to buy is not a SBR. Well I need to confirm the groves first lol 😂. This helped me so much !!!!!
Dude! If your firearm, built from a stripped lower has an overall length of 26” or more....it does not qualify as an AOW. So throw a vertical grip on there all you want.
Could someone show that company an old weapon with an oval twisted bore barrel please ? That is what is on the fastest single barrel machine rifle in the world, the .22 long rifle with the 840 round top magazine. I just can't remember the name, from the UK. An oval bore can be very accurate.
No on multiple levels. The binary trigger is absolutely not legal in CA. The 30 round magazine is not currently legal. Being an "AR series" rifle with "evil features" makes it not legal. And I don't think the smooth bore would be any kind of loophole as there is specific wording in CA law that covers both rifled and smooth bore. These are not even legal in Oregon due to Oregon's definition of what constitutes a "machine gun".
We need to see some reviews of this weapon either in different calibers or with ballistics gel. Based off the way that this weapon is going to throw the projectile it would be a good idea to have a newly shaped and designed 5 5-6 or whatever caliber it is round to adjust for said use.
Might as well just use round bullets like a shotgun. It would probably be in Franklin armories best interest to make this with it's own proprietary round
Really believe the trooper that arrests you is going to pull out a bore camera and see what your rifling situation is? No doubt this would get you a court date. Features and a removable mag is all they will see.
Just buy the barrel if you want that tumble rumble... Or get the strike industries brace that Imo like better than the shockwave blade. Haven't owned one but looks better imo.
It's not a loophole it's a keyhole
Love the satire.
*ba dum tssss
Fire🐲
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I see what you did there.
Or I could legally shoulder my AR pistol with rifling and still hit steel 400 yards
I built a cheap AR15 pistol, and dropped the bulk of the budget on the best pistol brace (according to me). In short I agree with you 100%
Red Rider7 my “budget build” is a pre-assembled 10.5 PSA upper with a primary arms cyclops, streamlight protac rail mount. It does pretty well
@@redrider7730 A very nice 10.5 from PSA.
I like my 7.5 300 blackout with a pistol brace....that I can shoulder
Cant go wrong with PSA. I have a 7.5 300blk psa assembled upper on a spikes tactical snowflake lower, sig romeo5 red dot, sba3 brace, and streamlight hlx on a arisaka light mount
Accuracy has left the chat.
Me: officer it's not a sbr, it's the reformation.
Cops: ...Mr. Smith, at this time we're going to have to ask you to put your hands behind your back.
Me: but, .....it's the reformation.
My thoughts exactly. This is almost asking for a court date
It’s not a local police matter... ATF matter
Uhh... Except local police enforcement local, state, & federal law. If you had a non-registered nfa rifle, you'd still get arrested. [Speaking as a former state cop]
ThGreatFandango they google stuff bubba lol I know been through it with the locals on ar pistols 😂
Yeah, it won't be inconvenient at all, being arrested, having your "firearm" confiscated and sent to ATF/Tech for a ruling, hiring an attorney to avoid prison time... I'll stick with AR pistols.
If pistol braces weren’t a thing this might have caught on. But why trade accuracy and range for a stock over a “brace”, which doesn’t affect either of those things.
I think their terminal ballistics argument is interesting, those rounds do put a lot of damage out when they hit stuff because they immediately tumble.
Home defense? These rounds have more trouble penetrating barriers than regular rounds
@@breadman32398
Sometimes they are tumbling before they hit something...that's everyone's point, I think. Poor accuracy up to 50 yards. Very poor accuracy past 200 yards.
@@chuckclark6162 No different than a pistol caliber carbine. And everyone seems to like those.
@@breadman32398
If a shooter has poor accuracy at 50 yards with a PCC, then yes, they will have very poor accuracy at longer distances. It's all in the shooter.
Practice practice practice.
Who wants a rifle that has shit for accuracy and tosses slugs about as stable as from a slingshot? No thanks. Drop an Echo trigger group in a real rifle and then you have something.
rifled bullets
MAC had this at the range on a video awhile back. Tim was hitting steel and putting a decent grouping at 100 yards. A FMJ 5.56x45 keyholing will cause massive damage and won't over penetrate. As a PDW this thing has more merit than people are going to give it credit for. It's like a 5.56 AR15 with a 7.5" or 10.5" barrel. People say its pointless because you dont have the velocity of a 16" barrel. Yes you lose velocity and kinetic energy with the short barrels. But even with 7.5" using 62 grain bullets you get the stopping power at 100yards of what a .357 mag? If you ever have to use your gun in defense it will probably be 5ft but definitely not over 100 yards. Am I buying one? No, but o see the value. Most people think in SHTF they are going to be making 500 yard head shots with their 18" AR15. Your not. Besides if they are 500 yards away just let them pass or wait until they get closer. Just some something to think about.
So... They built a 5.56 that CAN'T defeat lvl 2 body armor.
No thanks, I'll stick with my psa 7.5 pistol and shockwave blade.
Actually it can ......just do your own reloading with a different ore 😕 Superman is also known as the man of......and presto you have penitrition even better than what's on Walmart's shelf .....just saying , screw the infringement their pushing 😎.
@@InYeshuasHolyName
True, but why bother?
For the same money I built a 7.5" "pistol" with ALL the bells.
For $1300 I have an ar that I can fit in an 8"×8"×5" bag, why spend that much for one I have to make special ammo to get normal performance out of?
If I want a pointless bullet hose, I got a tec 9 for that. (It was $100 with 5 32rd mags...dont judge)
I had a Henry 22WMG that was keyholing. I looked down the barrel and had two lines that ran straight down both sides of the barrel. I sent it back, got a rifled barrel and now I love the rifle.
The thing is when the bullets hit something, they become unpredictable. Changing direction drastically.
Why not just have it fire round ammunition? Seems like it might fly more true.
My thoughts as well. Sounds like a multiple rounds of enlarged and very powerful adult bb gun
The tumbling turns me off, sorry but I'll stick w my ar15 pistols. This thing is neat but useless part 100 yards
It'd turn my off from everything except I thought it might be a decent home defense option. Low penetration due to the tumbling and no extra paperwork involved.
@@Joe_Friday I hear ya but thats alot of pennies for just that designation
@@easbreid9879 Yeah. I thought about a Spike's 300black Compressor for a home defense gun too.
100 yards is being extremely generous. I'd say its significantly reduced in effectiveness and accuracy past 25 yards. If it was already tumbling this much at 20 feet (about 7 yards) I can't imagine where it would be a bit further out. This is a neat, but overall useless gimmick.
Yeah, hard pass. A malfunction should not be a feature. Get a pistol brace, whatever. If you need a stock and short barrel send in the scary paperwork asking for permission to make it.
Trading rifling for a forward grip = 💩
Oh its the keyhole gun.
Who says that rifling has to be twisted? Also, god luck convincing the local yokel it's not an SBR.
the definition of rifling includes "Spiraling".
The dictionary: the arrangement of spiral grooves on the inside of a rifle barrel.
yeah I pictured myself spending a half an hour explaining to the people at the range why I don't need a tax stamp
Seriously?
The bullet begins to tumble 3-5 yards from the muzzle and is not lethal at 100 yards... You choose if you want one I don't.
Where did you get the dis-info your putting out?
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Military Arms Channel. If you don't believe me go watch it.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Probably from the MAC.
With a 7. Inch barrel it's close quarters combat 25 yr or less. Not ment for 100 yr you get out your 20 in AR FOR that .
Lol you don't need a 20 inch AR to shoot at 100 yards.
Would rather buy the cheapest MP5 clone.
This a basically a shotgun that shoots 223 "slugs".
Edit: they should make bullets similar to badminton shuttlecocks or skirted pellets to deal with thumbling
Franklin tried. Maybe they are still selling them? very hard to make and expensive.
9” barrel, no rifling? Shoots 1000moa at 100yds lol.
rifled ammo
Is not a rifle or a pistol, is a loophole, 😂
It's a keyhole*
@@KablamX At least it makes them :p
It's a 'money hole' ... But hey, You say 'poTAYto' I say 'poTAHto'
Why didn't you show the target after the mag dump?
Probably because it was barely hit or they all tumbled and side slapped the target
That's like not filming a money shot
Might be a neat novelty at half the price, but for 1300, I think I'd like a rifled barrel
Yeah, I'll just deal with a form 1 for that kind of money.
@@bradleymorgan8223 You have to call someone every time you cross state lines with it lmao
@@ToyotaTechnical i could build a form 1 SBR and a 16 inch build for the money they want for one of these.
@@bradleymorgan8223 Have fun dealing with the legal baggage of an SBR lmao
This is a great home defense option, imo. Is accurate to at least 100 yards, and even though there is the tumbling, there's no over penetration, it's still dangerous in close proximity. Not as dangerous as rifled barrel. Which is cool
But it's not accurate to 100 yards. It's not even that accurate at 7 yards. That group is at least 4 inches at 7 yards. At 100 yards, you might accidentally hit a low-flying airplane. Or someone's house. Or a random passerby 100 feet to the left or right of whatever you're aiming at.
@@harleyadam4813 oof. My bad
The best part of the package is the trigger.
I appreciate what Franklin Armory has done with this gun but as alot of people have already said, I will just stick with my AR pistol and have the accuracy. But I did just purchase Franklin Armory's Binary trigger and installed it on my Colt AR rifle, haven't gotten to try it out yet but I'm really looking forward to seeing what it will do. May have to get one for my AR pistol as well if I like it in my rifle.🤙
The ultimate in keyholing technology.
My TZ-75 9mm compact is as accurate at 50 yards as this thing is at 20 feet.
Does your TZ-75 have a binary trigger?
How important is a binary trigger when you're more likely to hit the target by throwing the weapon at it than by shooting it?
I’m still confused on why people are so intent on paying a tax stamp and registering an sbr. It’s none of the governments business what you have. That’s why it’s a right to keep and bare arms doesn’t matter what configuration that comes in.
Because bureaucracy is a bi.tch, and the _AFT_ (in Bidens words) might shoot your dog if you break one _their_ "rules" . It's unconstitutional but nobody wants to risk going to prison over a technicality. And yes I agree that _Freemen don't ask permission_ but those that say that, sometimes don't get to keep that freedom bc of aforementioned -laws- infringements. I guess we should move to the countryside and start a homestead with my own range? If only my funds allowed such freedoms 😔
$200 is a lot more affordable than a legal defense team.
You guys are missing the point. Tumbling bullets that shoot straight at close (home defense under 20 yards) range means a nasty wound channel in a home invader without over penetrating. Sounds like a legit home defense option. Swap out the upper with your full length upper and do whatever you want. No trouble with the law for those of us who live behind enemy lines!
I don't get it. The tax stamp is only $200. Why pay so much to get around a $200 tax stamp?
Why the hell is it even law that you can't have a barrel less that 16" with a stock with out paying the Government 200$ is absolutely crazy!
I don't know man. 20 feet? It looks like it would be inaccurate as hell any further out.
I say spend money on fighting infringement of my constitutional rights. Good try Franklin Armory.
I run the Franklyn Armoury BFSIII, TACCON & HYPERFIRE 24C. I can't say a bad thing about any of them. It's all good fun at the Range.
What's with the flash at the ejection port mid-magdump?
The "Tim Wakefield" of rifles.
Don't get your hopes up, articles say that the ATF has reclassified it as an SBS and is working on new paperwork to process this specific type of "sbs" and as of right now have haulted all sales.
Still more accurate than a Daniel Defense H9.
Now we just need to design a round that spins based on design without rifling.
Shotguns have been doing this for years. Although it's a good idea I don't really seeing this design taking off in the firearms community just to get around SBR laws when pistols exist. I think the issue with a rifled 5.56 bullet is gas will make it's way around the bullet without a wad (which would be difficult to incorporate in a rifle round) potentially causing squib loads
No actual rifling? COOL! I love not being accurate. Just get an AR pistol and deal with the blade
@@azntactical4884 no actual rifling
@@azntactical4884 SMH I give up
have a feeling you'd be in prison waiting to be proven innocent
I hope they would make it without the binary trigger so we can purchase in NJ !
What a waste of money to buy if it bullets are tumbling by that distance
@Frognutz 0o the price and that its inaccuracies in my opinion its a easy pass for me
Now they just need to make some fin stabilized ammo, add a gyroscopic stabilizer and you might be able to hit something further than 20 feet away
That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure that I'd have a need for it. I guess the tumbling bullets would have good stopping power at short range, but with that good stopping power, I wouldn't need to fill the air with that many bullets. I guess that would also prevent overpenetration.
Hmmm, was just reading some of the comments. Lots of negative slamming the weapon. I wonder how many just posted their comments and then entered the contest anyway? If it's so bad, you probably wouldn't want it, so improve the odds for everyone else and don't enter. I'd love to have it myself, and I'd use it on a regular basis at the range.
I'll take 3!
Or.... I can just "incidentally shoulder" my pistol. With a lot less invested (minus binary trigger) and a helluva lot more accurate. Amirite?
Uarerite
It's not illegal anymore to shoulder the pistol.
What's the point of even having those straight lands and grooves? They obviously don't stabilize the bullet. Just make it with a smooth bore. Maybe then it would be classified as a musket?
Would become a short barrel shotgun and require a tax stamp.
arm braces now are like butstocks......why buy that gimmick?
When you're legally responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun, I'm not sure sacrificing accuracy for a loophole is the way to go.
How does it function in binary when you go empty on the initial pull?
Lol that was funny, the way it behaves. The fact that it's not rifled it's good enough for me to stay away from it.
It's binary trigger on the other hand seems like an amazing feature to just have fun at the range or defending position against multiple contacts if you can hit them properly.
Yeah, the tumbling that occurs so soon turns me off. I wonder how it would do with straight polygonal instead of straight lands and grooves?!
Love this gun so much
Looking at the target, looks like they all "Keyholed" Hmmmm
Had me at Magdump
So, my question is can you find ammo with .223 casing and just a ball for a tip? Kind of like shooting a modern-ish musket but instead of powder and wad there's a casing. Could that help with the accuracy?
Tyler Harper nope. There is a reason rifling is in a spiral
Does this still apply today with new rules?
Point Blank Range, Matthews NC, my favorite range
It's crazy all the stuff people will do to avoid paying an infringement tax and waiting two days😂🤦🏻♂️
does having a vertical grip make a rifle/pistol any better to shoot? this just seems like a huge waste of money to me over a regular ar pistol when the sb tactical sba3 brace is so good. and plus you can put a vertical grip on a pistol if the overall length from muzzle threads to buffer tube is 26" which i believe can be done with a 12-13" barrel. sure it wont have a 7.5" barrel but it will shoot a lot better
Is that the key holeing gun? I think it'd be a neat home defense option due to not having to file paperwork and it probably penetrates less that a rifle.
"Hole defense"
When the wife just ain't having it...
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Damn typo! 😀 I'll edit it now.
@@Joe_Friday
Lol
That’d be quite the loud and bright blast for home defense.
@@bravo0105 Yeah. Could have pros and cons to it.
A early Christmas gift for the new winner .
Where in the ATF documents does it say anything about “unless your barrel doesnt have rifling”??
Because its basically a shotgun, and as long a shotgun is manufactured to be short with a butt stock it is legal. You just cannot convert a long shotgun to a short shotgun without a tax stamp. By law the gun is a smooth bore shotgun. Because by legal definition rifling twists, so if it doesn't twist, it isn't rifling. It's complicated and I know there are better explanations online but it is a loophole gun.
This looks like a blast to shoot!
I got a feeling that it won't stay legal for long knowing the fudds
Finally a video I needed to confirm the one I am going to buy is not a SBR. Well I need to confirm the groves first lol 😂. This helped me so much !!!!!
It IS a SBR! If NOT, it is a short-barreled SHOTGUN, which I am sure falls under the same category as a SBR, requiring extra paperwork and money.
That's real nice have to check the price on that thanks for sharing👍
Even an arrow, with no fletching, will shoot straight for about 20 feet! Then it goes squirrelly nuts crazy, in flight. Cool "weapon" though.
Bullets tumbling = Worthless
I have an Enfield that tumbles like that... Does that mean it's worth $1300???
20ft, or 20m, you used both terms when saying how far away the target was..., and yes, there is a BIG difference; 20m being nearly 3x the distance.
It was 20 ft. Thanks for the comment.
Dude! If your firearm, built from a stripped lower has an overall length of 26” or more....it does not qualify as an AOW.
So throw a vertical grip on there all you want.
ATF rulings are mixed on that, while legal it could still land you in a legal battle that isn't worth the headache...
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!
So let me see if i understand, putting a grip as ilegal but putting a angle grip is not? ….is that right?
The urban Tec 9.
Yeah, I’ll pass on the whole litigation on that. I’m not even about fighting my way through court.
that's akin to a bump fire piece of junk. it only gonna cause us all some grief in the end. its useless
This is what I want. This is what I need.
Could someone show that company an old weapon with an oval twisted bore barrel please ? That is what is on the fastest single barrel machine rifle in the world, the .22 long rifle with the 840 round top magazine. I just can't remember the name, from the UK. An oval bore can be very accurate.
Would these even be legal in California? God we need some good news.
No on multiple levels. The binary trigger is absolutely not legal in CA. The 30 round magazine is not currently legal. Being an "AR series" rifle with "evil features" makes it not legal. And I don't think the smooth bore would be any kind of loophole as there is specific wording in CA law that covers both rifled and smooth bore. These are not even legal in Oregon due to Oregon's definition of what constitutes a "machine gun".
Velocity loss at distance is significant, more than 50% at 100 yards, past 150 its worthless
Dammnnnnn could only make it to 0:25 then had to shut it off
What the hell is wrong with the first 25 seconds or are you just somebody who lays awake at night to think of new things to complain about?
Its cuz I saw the franklin armory case. I prefer rifling. Dislike then
Are they going to be offering just the upper anytime soon?
Thank you
What's the most lethal caliber keyholed? Can rounds be made to cartwheel or windmill downrange?
Congrates to the new winner. Still no winner for the state of Arkansas yet and I hope to be the first.
I heard someone say no thanks, they would just keep their real stocks on the real rifled 7 inch barrels and not tell anyone
We need to see some reviews of this weapon either in different calibers or with ballistics gel. Based off the way that this weapon is going to throw the projectile it would be a good idea to have a newly shaped and designed 5 5-6 or whatever caliber it is round to adjust for said use.
Might as well just use round bullets like a shotgun. It would probably be in Franklin armories best interest to make this with it's own proprietary round
@@KJTUSKJTUS slugs?
@@KJTUSKJTUS and that's what I said, maskhe their own round, alsi trying to figure out what was being shot in this video
Franklin Armory's biggest flop.
Biggest flop yet. Let's see what they release next 😉
GEE I THOUGHT IT WAS LOOKS THAT MATTERED . MAYBE IF THEY WERE PAINTED PINK IT WOULD BE OK
Franklin is good people.
Anybody knows whats going on with smooth barrel "rifles" - SBRs now?
so legal in new york then?
Is breathing legal in NY?? Lol
Really believe the trooper that arrests you is going to pull out a bore camera and see what your rifling situation is? No doubt this would get you a court date. Features and a removable mag is all they will see.
just build a twisted barrel for it after you get it
Shhhhhhh
Could you change the receiver into a rifled barrel or that would be illegal?
Then it wouldn't be a firearm. It would be a sbr and need a tax stamp.
Whouls you know who sells just the barrel. And do they have these for ak
Just buy the barrel if you want that tumble rumble... Or get the strike industries brace that Imo like better than the shockwave blade. Haven't owned one but looks better imo.
ATF will be looking to remedy that loophole PDQ.