These Air Rifles are as Powerful As A 22, Will it Replace Rimfire?
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- In today's video we look at emerging technology in powerful Air Rifles. In the future could these be more ubiquitous as the technology matures? Are the rifles as they stand right now worth it? Tune in to today's video to find out!
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In the UK these are considered ‘bazooka airguns’ and are punishable by up to 150 wags of the finger and 3 concurrent life sentences
is one wag from left to right, or left right left?
This is painful... We need to free our British cousins from tyranny...
Has to be licenced but we gave them. If they are over 12 ft/lbs, shame they gave to be licenced if they are over that.
@@jeremyk_541 they don't have any oil
@@rodsongreen5249 as your American Cousin. I hate yalls government for you the people. May the spirit of P.A. Ludy live on in the hearts of the few freedom loving Brits out there still
If the AFT can declare a piece of plastic not related to the trigger a machine gun, then they can also break the laws of physics to declare an air gun a "firearm"
Well Canada considers anything over 500 fps a firearm and you need your un restricted fire arms license... Its so atupid, i wanted to biy the sig mcx pellet gun its advertised as 480 fps on their website but canada decided to i guess take the highest fps one of them made which was 540 fps so nope.. Cant own it.. Im going to gwt both my restricted and un restricted, and also gunamithing licnesce so i can own more guns than most people lol
The Supreme Court (as it currently is) would never let that happen
Don’t put that evil on us FellICA!
I think New York has already done this
ATF rules are not laws.
BTW, The oldest existing mechanical air gun, dates back to about 1580, and is in the Livrustkammaren Museum in Stockholm. This is approximately when most historians recognize as the beginning of the modern air gun. Thats 224 years before Lewis and Clark.
Well, compressing air has been done for a long while to be fair. In fact, the first bellows are a method for compressing air.
Lewis and Clark took a few air guns with them on they’re expedition as well. Forgotten weapons did a video on one.
This is America. The old world is called old for a reason. We do not care!
Noted.. the airgun that went west traveled with Lewis and Clark. We appreciate those that came before.
@@jon-michaelsampson1120speak for yourself.
My favorite large bore Airgun is the Zalinski airguns used on the U.S.S. Vesuvius (1888) that had 15 inch bores and launched dynamite filled projectiles.
;) Spudgun 300'd 3'r ;) oops😮
Uh what? Explosive bb's?
It freaked the Spanish out because with no blast from the guns, they had no idea where it was coming from.
@@ourshelties7649 Yes an early Stealth weapon
That’s really cool! I’m glad you mentioned that, I’m gonna go look it up and read more about it
“If I was a better shot and had no wind” it would be a tighter group.
Can confirm, this is true.
Thank you, Mr Garand Thumb.
By that standard, I can shoot as well as he can too!
Yeah, there's a lot of crumple zones in that statement lol
These things are a lot more accurate than rimfire. That's not up for debate at this point. There are pros and cons to both, but I'm really surprised people don't realise that a lot of airguns are more powerful than even 22WMR and getting well up into the larger handgun calibers in terms of muzzle energy with some, like the AEA Zeus ect, which can deliver around 1000 ft/lbs of energy.
The thing is, these are tunable to a degree no powder burner ever will be. And in the matches this particular airgun is designed for, it's actually got an unfair advantage. One thing they didn't mention in the video is the grain weights it's able to shoot, which can be heavier than 22LR, and the fact that modern airgun slugs have higher BCs than 22LR, and that it normally being subsonic isn't actually a disadvantage either because nobody uses supersonic 22LR in competitions for the exact same reason nobody shoots airguns supersonic, the projectile falls back through the sound barrier and destabilizes before it gets to the target. In short, this can do everything a competition 22LR can, but better.
K B my I
lol
Carlos
Excuses, excuses… listen, me and my buddies would sit on the tractor, aiming freehand from the shoulder- and we’d shoot the tips off Crayola crayons we dug standing upright in the dirt at 743yds (uh, yeah, with irons; duh… what you think you’re better because you can afford an Eotech 512?)… and if you’re wondering why it’s so specific, obviously not only did we laser range it, but one time we bought all the tailors’ tape measures from the Walmart in the next town over, and spliced them together and got a hard read on it. It got to where we were so bored with it, just to make it a challenge we’d do it thunderstorm weather- during a tornado warning. And we’re not talking .22 LR… we’re talking .177 pellets from Crosman pumps. So, ya know… ya get no sympathy for a little breeze.
It’s getting to be that kids today can’t shoot worth a shit, looks like. 🙄
Fun history fact: Lewis and Clark took an air rifle for hunting on their expedition, and saved the gunpowder they took for demonstrating muskets to Native American tribes they encountered along the way as a way of sparking trade with the government. The Smithsonian has the air rifle they took, and Robert Beeman of Beeman Air Rifles made a reproduction using experimental archaeology to see how powerful it would have been new. Collaborating with other historians working on reproductions of other period air rifles, Dr. Beeman determined that the rifle Lewis and Clark had would have been on par with modern .38 Special in terms of terminal ballistics. Anyone wanting to read the actual article Dr. Beeman wrote should web search 'Beeman Girandoni reproduction.'
Garand Thumb made a reference to L&C in the intro
Holy shit I didn't know, that's crazy
I think the air rifle they took needed like 800+ "pumps" to be at capacity and the dudes would do it in shifts. For only a few shots, too. Sounds like a nightmare
For anyone who is curious this is real and not an elaborate troll to trick you into searching for something disgusting. This guy’s search is 100% safe and fascinating.
I also learned that their expedition was nicknamed the “lemon party”. Google that too to learn more.
@@CT-qz4tr A modern dual stroke airgun pump is good for 150-200 strokes which is why you can buy a 12v compressor
A very big part of this is Matt Dubber. He personally spent countless hours on slug technology.
Fredrik Axelsson said Matt was the reason behind this advancement in slugs.
Matt Dubber deserves to be mentioned here. 🎯👍
I have a Seneca Dragon Claw, and this very much gets close to on par with some guns. A 50 cal pellet (210-550 grain) at 230-240 fpe. That's well enough power to leave a giant exit wound, as its been shown in ballistics tests as very effective
Those things are very easy to give a power tune. Look online if your interested. The easiest tunes can be done at home without a mill or lathe. You can get way more power out of those platforms. 1 thing to remind is, if you give it a power tune, its smart to exchange the sliding loading gate thingy with a custom machines thicker walled one.
Here in the Netherlands we know of some incidents with power tuned Sam Yang's (your Seneca is build by Sam Yang in Korea) on which the loading sliding thingy exploded. Yes we have big bores in the Netherlands, we are not restricted to caliber or energy, only rule, an airgun cannot be a direct lookalike of any firearm.
The Shin Sungs from the 90s 00s didnt have fragmenting sliding loading thingys. Sam Yang copied the Shin Sungs, but on the other hand Shin Sungs kinda copied the Yewha Dynamite airgun the Moonie cult invented.
Information overload😂
Edit, exchanging hanmer and valve spring can give you the power level you already have but a more economical air consumption/less hanmer bounce= more shots per fill and a way lighter trigger.
Air Texan pushes a 300 grain at 850fps. Easily with the carbon fiber tank
I used to use airguns like this back in the UK before I moved here. Anything over 12 ft/lbs was a "felony" but we still turned them up anyway.
how do you tune them up? asking for a friend
Unfortunately the UK has some of the worst Firearms laws in the world. It's laughable
well unless you had FAC right?
@@ragingcomedy1835 try helium...
13ft/ lbs is laughable
Reminder that Girardoni airguns were actually the high-end DM rifles of the late 18th century, with some attributes of an AR. I mean it sucked by modern standards, and you essentially had to be a specialized mobile gunsmith in addition to a rifleman if you wanted to actually keep it running. But when they worked, they literally had about as much firepower as a modern magazine-fed manual action 22, which for a shoulder rifle in 1800 is almost incomprehensible.
They also saw extremely limited use in war (Prussians). Unfortunately, the technology wasn't dependable enough with manufacturing limitations & high cost for widespread use.
Napoleon hated air rifles and had anyone captured using one executed. Bad for morale, silent shots.
@@FoxtrotFleet That seems extremely doubtful. Soldiers come up with all kinds of insane local house rules about what weapons are allowed because they're in the shit and trying to survive. In a Napoleonic context, you would have said it's Napoleon's order. Today it still shows up in a weird form in the half-truth that says some lawyer somewhere will prosecute you for war crimes if you use a .50 on a guy. It's just an echo of the fact that people who don't have .50s to use on guys would like to pretend it's an atrocity when the other team has them.
@@toshironif Yeah it made no sense because if you needed that much cost and specialized guild knowledge (maintainers, trainers etc) to operate it, it could just be an artillery piece. There were very few legitimate situations where it actually made sense to take it. In all honesty its best possible use probably would have been as a gift for savage tribal leaders, as long as you were able to make it clear to them privately that it was useless and just a totem for overawing people with occasional staged demonstrations.
@@tiivc What are you saying? That French troops did not execute people found with air rifles as recorded and that Napoleon did not ban them in France?
Used to have a.177 pump air rifle. Took it apart put a piece of inner tube in the bleed off valve so it couldn't bleed off. It could put a bb right through a car door into the interior. Awesome.
Gorgeous man! Absolutely phenomenal. I love this video man. I love the setting and I love the view. Feels like a huge man cave. 💪💪
I do a lot of rimfire shooting in high winds (prairies of central Canada), both .22 and .17HMR, so I'm pretty familiar with the conditions in this video, shooting lightweight low velocity projectiles - all I can say is holy hell, that group in those winds is INSANE. Then the course of fire near the end of the video, making one shot hits at those windspeeds and with changing direction that was obvious in the vid....wow, that rifle/system is an incredible performer. I have some Olympic style/quality air pistols, but have no experience with air rifles such as this. That's going to be changing, now. Currently trying to find a dealer in Canada for this rifle/company, and if not, I'll just purchase one next time I'm at my US property. Impressive, not often I'm sold on something I just see online. -EDIT Found a Canadian distributor/dealer, it's on FX's website, easy peasy.
Check out the Panthera and the Impact. I have both, (in .22 caliber, 700mm barrel) different airguns for different applications - they are great shooters!
@@hankvana2149 Pretty sure that IS the Panthera...
@@mightyjoeyoung1390 yup, the airgun in the video is the Panthera. I use mine (with an extra front mounted bottle) as a dedicated bench rifle. Didn't know the commenter's intrests so I suggested checking out the Impact as it's an excellent all around target, pesting, plinking, hunting airgun. Cheers!
You gotta hook a homie up in central Canada I would love a 22
@wagwon1297 Check out my other comment about Canada Shooting supplies if you're in canada. They have great stuff there
It was very satisfying to hear the pings from the long-range targets on the hill. 300 yards with an air gun. Impressive. Very nice. 😎
Let's see Paul Allen's.
😂 There goes my comment. That's actually the sound of the receiver vibration. PCP models use a disk valve
Awesome fun excellent video thanks Mike and Micah
Dude. The landscape. So beautiful!
Yes the world gets more beautiful the farther you get from people
A lot of people here in California are buying these air powered rifles and like they said you can learn the fundamentals of marksmanship with these and you dont need a range or even be out of city limits to shoot em... I love all this
If you don't get caught 😂. Even I texas legally you need 10 acres of land between you and your neighbors to shoot air rifles on your own land. We even allow hunts with them now the 357 calibers and 45 is allowed for hog hunts.
@@elix901 actually that is only if you are inside city limits. If you live in texas and you live in a city, you are missing the whole point of texas
I have real bad news for you, but every city and county in California I know of or worked in, had laws restricting air gun use. There were also other agencies such as park districts etc that had rules. If you live in a small city far from everyone, it might be legal. But check very carefully.
@@JohnGalt-vr3lx correct but, that's where all the jobs are lol.
@@JohnGalt-vr3lx oh I know about the laws but just saying if you are not stupid about it most people wouldn't even know you were plinking some targets. I mean if you dont have any room between you and the neighbor then dont be shooting but if you have some space you can pop some rounds.
They make 7.62 air rifles that are crazy powerful. I'd love to see you guys check those ones out too!
I wouldn’t say crazy powerful, still 2-300 foot pounds of energy, even the 50 cal air gun doesn’t have crazy power at around 500 foot pounds
yes , I have one of those but mine is called ak 47 ab2
AEA Zues .72 Cal, 1500 fpe, it is a monster
They don't penetrate as well as .25 or .22 air rifles.
@@mistaajones That's not an "air gun", that's an "air musket"!
the best cinematography and mini bike action I've ever witnessed! ...now I want one of these air rifles! damn you!
U can get away with the 300$ PCP jus look around.
I live in the Philippines, shoot a locally assembled, 18" barrel, 22 cal. Cost was $225 - used. At 50 yards hold a 3/4" spread (.375" from center) with the Diablo type pellet (cost $0.02 - 2 US cents each). Scope, bipod, no bag.
At 30 yards puts rounds through 0.6mm steel roofing.
Typ bottle PSI is 3,000 and shoot down to 2,000. Actual "shooting" psi at 1,500. BTW I'm 76 and use a 4 stage Hunter Antler hand pump.
The first “real” guns I got to shoot as a child were airguns in Norway… we visited my Mama’s aunt’s house, and her son had some pump air guns. My mother was an anti-gun absolutist- not even toy guns. Which of course sent me straight to a Woolworth’s on my 18th birthday to buy a pistol grip Mossberg 500 pump ($218 out the door…). It looked like the coolest! 😆
I find it hilarious when moms refuse to give their sons the toy guns they want and the kid just picks up a gun shaped stick and uses that. You can't stop a boy from being a boy and most little boys are obsessed with weapons of every kind.
@@grahamtotte7133 There was an interesting interview with parents here in switzerland, where the general consensus was that they think taking toyguns away from kids is stupid, we simply need to teach them that real guns are NOT like their toys and shouldnt be treated like them. So that was very based of my countrymen.
Airgun featured here is an FX airgun, made in Sweden. They are known for their advanced rifle/barrel design, air pressure regulation, ammunition and most of all their accuracy.
How did your Mother get that way?
@@1waltrp I know them for introducing a new gun, (.35 cal.Impact), wanting a down payment, and people not getting them for over a year.
Turned 17 yesterday, my parents signed waivers for me to get training. Thanks for setting me on this path Mike!!!
This is the way🤙
You are going to pass the knowledge and freedom to your generation!
Training is a force multiplier.
You can only run one gun at a time, but training can easily quadruple your effectiveness with it. And you can pass that training and know-how along to any number of other folk, for free, at any time, and provide a force multiplier for them as well.
Good for you dude.
Good headspace.
Happy birthday :) 🎉
That's Mr. Thumb to you!
Great vid! I own the OG FX Impact.
Lived in Idaho my entire life, not sure how I just barely found your channel but love the content.
We use .22 and .17 for pest control (rats, Pidgeon, squirrel,rabbit and corvids) but also use FAC air rifles specifically in barns and outbuilding that use asbestos sheeting as cladding also useful for urban areas where residents tend to be rather sensitive about fluffy things and noise. Air rifle have their place, my favorite go to is an old tuned Daystate pcp rentokill rifle that never fails, whisper quiet, extremely accurate and effective. Underrated tool for light pest control.
A crazy cat lady used to live next to me. That is all I am saying.
@@harpintn I'll move in
@@Sora2529 She has been gone for a few years now, and an elderly cat free couple lives there. We still have a couple of cats wandering the neighborhood, but not the plague of cats that we had.
@@harpintn I'd kill for a plague of cats, I have skunks and other miscreants around my house.
Better than an AR15
The Girardoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. Effective range of 125 Yards with 30 Rounds Air capasity, Either .46 or a .51 with around 500 fps
Thanks. I have Google too.
This could have been your big chance if only you had air rifle content on your channel!!
@@eriklarson9137 to be beholden to TH-cam censors?
Napoleon hated these things
@@KingPhilipsRideshare Yup and I remeber Seeing Ians episode on this rifle
Thanks for the name drop, Bro!
1952 Crosman 101 tuned up pushes 800fps plus with 10 pumps and is rifled. Most versatile US invention imo. BSA has great early air rifles as well.
There are even some larger caliber air guns that are meant to hunt larger game. Winchester has a .45 airgun that can take down deer. BB guns aren't just little trainers for kids to shoot cans with, they can get very serious.
There are models that can be used with bolts as well, they are classified as bows in some regions. They have been used effectively on dangerous game such as cape buffalo.
BB gun is not a air rifle
Can I get a link to that airgun
Even a 50 cal. Just search 50 cal airgun on yt.
@@xxxHighSpeedxxx that thing is nuts. packs a hit.
Awesome! I've been an air gunner for the last 10 years and let me tell you, the precision is unbelievable but so is the price for a piece of kit like this. You're looking at 3k+ on this setup! Also air guns are available in calibers to take bear with... no joke.
In my opinion, it's mainly the glass
Yeah and the FX bullets are twice the price of a multi component .22 cartridges.
3K is 2.5K too much
@@tonyelbows8045 sorry you’re poor
@@hstone-kf7su The ATF can make you poor too if you want to buy a suppressor, a machine gun, a drop-in auto sear, « pistols ». Civil rights, yes, it exists but only for the (very, like, VERY) rich people who can afford the taxes, the several months of delay after filling up forms (in which they can reply « no, bugger off lol »). We saw that in USSR’s administrative imbroglio and ironically now in your favorite liberal and capitalist regime. If I had to pay outrageous taxes and ask permission to exercise my rights on top of being successful in life everytime, then how many people can enjoy freedom in the end? Not the majority, it becomes more and more a niche or elite thing, which is the definition of a privilege, not a democratic thing.
AMAZING shooting!! Seriously fun video. I'm wondering what Mike will be like when he's in his 70's.
Love the intro. And this was a no brainer for me, I own and use those certain air rifles.
Years ago i was on the airgun craze.. while fun they are crazy expensive, the price points for them are typically higher than quality rimfires and maintaining them is very time consuming. 2 of the 3 i still currently have leak. constantly trying to find leaks and lubricate o-rings become an annoyance especially with how intricate they can be.. useful, quiet, and cheaper on a per shot basis. but I’ve stop investing in air rifles because rimfire is just more user friendly
I got a rock island bolt .22 because it was threaded. 130 bucks. Put a $50 scope on it, and a $500 griffen
(+$200 stamp) suppressor. Cci segmented sub sonic bullets. Super quiet, no hassle. I can't imagine paying more for an air gun. No matter how good it is.
@@yep-sb4uf my FX Bobcat cost me around $2300. not including scope and pump for refilling. it’s an incredible rifle, stacks .22 pellets in the same hole at 50 yards. but it’s been to FX for leak repairs once and a month after it started to leak again. It’s still shoots great but won’t hold air for more than 24 hours. i pump it up before i go out for squirrel. that’s about all the use it gets now. i’d like to add that was almost 10 years ago when i bought it. and i can tell you i haven’t shot enough pellets to recoup that cost, and i’ve shot ALOT.
@@Ezerhoden950
Have you tried a condor SS for the same type of shooting? You'll need to remote it but you'll get about double the fpe at the cost of having to single load.
I've been running Airforce airguns for a while now and they've been much more reliable from my experience. No leaks or issues even with the big bores. That said, they're much simpler designs than the fx rigs but I've been getting solid results from them and the price of the guns are more reasonable as well. Single load tray is a bit of a pity but I simply haven't had the issues other airgunners running magazines have had... Again, it's a tube, not much to go wrong. I used to think that them not putting a regulator directly on their guns was terrible but after seeing the problems others have had with inline regulator leakage, having my regulator on my remote line might actually have been the right call. Also having the entire tank be at regulated pressure rather than just trying to force it via valve has given me obvious consistency at full air flow which is a plus. Something worth looking at. All SS and LSS model Airforce airguns can take donnyFL moderators as a simple screw on to dramatically decrease sound levels
@@CtrlAltRetreat i’ve considered one years ago, but ended up getting the Benjamin Bulldog at a way discounted price. i don’t want to say it. but my bulldog is the only one that doesn’t leak. haha. at this point in time i don’t have a reason to even consider a new air rifle. having a .22,.25,.35 model i can make do with them.
@@Ezerhoden950
Nice, while they won't match up to the accuracy of your fxs, they're designed for real use by regular folk and from what I've seen generally hold up to it with the exception of that bolt handle. A good bulldog is an excellent platform. They're engineered with a certain amount of leeway in mind which makes them much more robust than you'd think and you get .357 in a magazine for both solid energy and repeat capability. Have you looked into pitbull airguns work? I've been highly impressed with their work from the guys that have had their mega moderators and extended plus pressure regulated tanks. Good stuff
Smol bike big mike
Yeetus
Don't you bring the first lady into this!
@@aceman1126"lady"
@@fpsVAMPZ lol oof sorry I forgot the quotation marks but yes you are correct "lady" is much more accurate
Wonderful stuff.
Very Well Done ~
If you had a way to fill gas canister at home manually; really a great bug out gun for survival hunting. You could have thousands of inexpensive bullets with infinite recharging.
A bike pump can get some gnarly pressure
There are manual pumps for those rifles
I use to be a compressor service tech and worked on some crazy high pressure systems. I wonder if those guys will let me just come over and fill up some tanks? 😂
air guns are finicky and way too many seals for a survival rig. best off with a 22 and loads of ammo
You can accomplish essentially the same thing with a .22lr. The ammo is a little heavier but the rifle can be much smaller and lighter. As well as much less complicated.
I almost expected Ted's Holdover to be presenting. That would be the crossover of the year for sure. Also: props to the sound engineer for dealing with the extreme wind. A+ seriously.
He has a video of the new FX Panthera concept
Been into air rifles since i was a kid now into the pcp air rifles , ive got 6 of them now my go to is usually my AEA hp varmint .25 , super accurate 1" groups at 100yards, perfect for woodchucks, opossums, raccoons, with .25 30 grain hollow point slugs its a beast
I saw your face when he said "shuttlecock," Mike. Good job keeping it together lol
Long live 22 man! I felt his essence flowing through this whole video. It was just beautiful.
I got into these back in 2011, and have multiple FX and Daystate airguns. It’s great to see the growth in the PCP airgun world 👍👊🇺🇸🤘
Question: how much would that rifle tested (with scope) cost?
Also, how are the air cylinders charged?
Thanks....
That is a really high end rifle. With an OK scope you're looling at around 2000-2500$ with all the gear you need. If you dont go so high end you can get into good PCP airguns at 1000-1500$ with all the gear. There are more the on way to charge it, but the easyest is to have a separate diving tank that can fill this guns a lot of times. Its inexpensive to charge at any diving center or firemen station. Or you can get a home compressor, but the good ones are expensive.
It's pretty funny, here in the Netherlands you need more paperwork than the Apollo program to get a 9mm.
But a .50 cal air rifle is completely free to have above age 18, even though it packs quite a few joules more
Air guns taught me how to arc it at a young age. A valuable piece of the puzzle to master and a great way to teach your kids the basics. Thanks for the quality content once again Mike.
Airguns in the UK are restricted to 12ft/lbs for .22 which is roughly a muzzle velocity of about 570fps. if you hold the rife in a certain way and in the right light (assuming you have reasonable eyesight) you can see the pellet arc.
@@MrAvant123 Wow, are slingshots outlawed there as well?
@@MrAvant123 fUK
RIP to the air gun rep guy who got shot in a hotel because of a retarded cop who still got his pension, nevermind getting jailed for life or executed like he executed the guy.
Not banned in the UK (yet) but in Germany any slingshot with a wrist brace is banned.
Holy moly! I thought that we wouldn't see high powered airguns on this channel but I am positively surprised! Owning one and doing competitions on a small scale has definately been super fun and I can recommend it to everyone. It is also a great tool for learning fundamentals on long range shooting and shooting in general.
I have had several ranch owners asking me to come and take care of their gopher problems and I have been happy to help them out. They have been super happy with the results and were amazed how quiet the thing is. It is also a great advantage on hunting because you can get follow up shot without them running back to their holes. Coyotes are also a thing you can hunt with them and there's nothing better than sending out 68grains of lead at 1000fps towards their way.
With the little tiny downside of being a ridiculously expensive hobby. Which is also why you literally never hear about air guns being used in shootings.
A medium range fx airgun costs about the same as a high end ar.
Oh and to get that consistent speed you absolutely need a regulator and most likely other mods to make it all work.
And if you think fire arm ammo is expensive just check out the .357 and .30 pellets/slugs.
@@whatsmolly5741 Well depends on what you buy and what your goals are. I started out first with a simple 300$ PCP that was a .22. Did my first gophers with that after I modified it a little. Plenty of power in that one too for small game as a stock version if you wish not to modify it.
I filled out my tank in the scuba diving place for 10$ a pop and you could shoot little over a thousand rounds with the fills provided from the tank.
But yeah all depends on what your looking for.
@Montana_AirGunner the effect goes up drastically as you go up in caliber, my 357 Benjamin bulldog drops like 12 inches accross 10 shots at 30 yards without a regulator and to get the regulator you need a tank that handles 5000 psi
@@MontanaAirGunner and the best ammo for it is like 1.5 $ per slug
That looks like fun!
Some time ago, Polenar Tactical examined Texan AirArms .50 rifles and they punched a hole trough a frying pan with it. Granted, it was aluminium frying pan, but still.
Both FX and Texan AA are excellent and pricey air rifles.
Texan and condor are Airforce brand
I like to see an air gun push out some Underwood Extreme Penetration copper solids just for fun
Like to the tune of what pricey?
@@thejason755 1500 to 2000 USD pricey. For an American, not much, but for a wage slave in Serbia it is a LOT.
I have gone back to that video which Polenar did and I have to apologize - it was indeed an AirArms Texan rifle, but in .45 caliber. They did some fun tests and found out that the .45 slug from air rifle has energy at the muzzle comparable to a 9mm parabellum round out of a pistol, but it doesn't have its penetration due to much lower speed of the round.
@@bromazepam781 thats a pricey tune
That is one beautiful air rifle. I was surprised how deep the ball penetrated the gelatin. So quiet, it didn't seem capable of much. A good thing about airgun, they make you study precision fundamentals.
You could have just said the airgun went balls deep into the gelatin.
@@seijiroukikuoka5975 You right. What was I thinking. That airgun shot it's "SHOT" into that gelatin 🤭
Love the Tiny Motorcycle - ding!
The combination between science, awesome cinematic, complete uncoordinated fuckery and memes is why this is THE best channel on youtube. Often forgotten but certainly not by me, Dr Garand
I'm so glad you guys were able to put this together and show what modern airguns are capable of. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but most States allow some type of hunting for non-game, all the way up to big game. Any animal/bird that you can hunt with a firearm in the State of Idaho, you can hunt with an airgun. In Idaho there are caliber requirements for medium and big game, as well as lead-free and caliber requirements for waterfowl, but they are easy to follow and gives you one more way to hunt in this great State!
Waterfowl is wild because there’s air shotguns nowadays. I would’ve never imagined duck hunting with an air gun
@@twilightzone39 - We can use single projectiles shot out of airguns as well. They must be .20 caliber or smaller and the projectile must be lead-free. This falls within the guidelines of the USFW laws.
I love Idaho, always will. Born and raised.
I don’t understand the reasoning to wanting to hunt with an air gun over a regular gun, but it’s pretty cool none the less
@@ricksmith7232 - Idaho does not allow you to hunt upland game birds with a firearm (other than Forest Grouse). They also open up a lot of new opportunities for access on private land, where firearms, including rimfires and shotguns, would not be a viable solution. For example, I have permission to shoot Pigeons and Starlings inside barns on a large Dairy here in SW Idaho. Shotguns, or other firearms are strictly prohibited. Of course, there is also the fun/challenge factor as well. I believe anything that expands our hunting opportunities is a good thing. So this is just one more option available to all of us.
Got a 45. cal air rifle, the Texan LSS. You can hunt Boars with here in Europe, pretty effective and is extremely accurate up to 300 meters. More powerful than a 45. ACP
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Yup. I chose one in .357 because of the price difference, not disappointed.
.45 acp fan boy comments incoming.
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Fun fact: Air rifles have been around since the 1760s. Lewis and Clark had a few on their exploration of the US it was called the Giradoni rifle I think. Yeah the buttstock held 600PSI of Air. No that's not a typo and it was hand pumped. It could shoot 48 times with a full Air tank and had a 22 round Magazine. It could also punch a hole through a 1 inch pine board at 100 yards. Not bad when everyone else had a musket. Also they were issued to some military back in the day.
Fun fact a comment above says the first air rifle was invented in 1580 so which one was it maaaaan
They both are?
He may have not known when it was invented but it was before his date so therefore both are correct😅
Good to see I’m not the only one riding those tiny Motor bikes..🤙🏻
Had a whole crew of guys come out to the ranch with these to hunt ground squirrels. Very economical critter control, extremely impressive performance.
Gald to see you guys come out victorious in the BBWs.
Just picked up a jts airacuda to plink at home in the city. Working on under 1 inch groups un supported at 30 yards practicing to go on an iguana hunt tour in fl
I go target shooting with my dad with these things. We have air rifles from .22 to .457. We can shoot a lot more rounds on the range than everyone else, since we're not worried about the cost of ammo.
The guy said it was $16 for 100 right? That’s MORE expensive.
@@hansgruber9685 for the 30 cals, that's as much for a tin of 150 pellets. For .457 its $20 for 50 200 grain slugs. You could reform lead into these pellets though, as thats what most airgun ammo is.
FX pellets carry a price premium. So I think they were going for that number.
@@hansgruber9685 You can get 500 for $15 or less of .177 or .22.
Lol a decent compressor cost over 1k alone plus the external tank you have to lug around… isn’t worth it
@@matthewrezuke8130 you fill your extra tank at a SCUBA shop for cheap and it can refill the main tank many times over.
I've been into PCP for a few years. Love it. ZERO regrets. I'd never use one for defensive purposes or even a bug out hunting gun. Far too finicky. If I'm going with air for survival it's a break barrel.
I too love PCP. Helluva drug.
Nice one I’m a pcp man I use a compressor but keep a pump in case power wer to become an issue
Interesting. I have a hatsan mod130s break-barrel, but I think I'd prefer a PCP with a handpump [for air survival]. Break barrels have crazy heavy break-weight [mine is about 45 lbs] and low velocity [590fps I think, using ~47gr.]
@@SonOfNone you'd be pumping til your arm falls off lol
I like pcp too but I keep waking up face down in a tire
Great shooting.
Very good shooting, I would love seeing you running around and shooting (your usual staff) with semi and fully auto airguns... I have myself a LCS sk19, 19 shoot auto piece and waiting for my new huben GK1 pistol, both pieces will be real dope shooting your style, I promise...
I haven’t picked up my .22lr since buying an fx. I do think the .22 lr drops less, bucks the wind better and holds more energy behind it. The airgun works wonders on ground squirrels. There are other models that cater more towards a hunting platform. More shots per fill, larger magazine ect.
The possibilities of tuning and modifying them is so much better than on traditional ones. I mean just being able to tune the velocities at a mach site within 10 minutes is a game changer! So much fun!
I literally just watched Dirty Civilian's "Dirt Bike for Prepared Citizens" before this video, and I feel astonished that I understood the reference at 9:24 lmao
The accuracy on this is insane!!
Glad to see air rifles on here!
For those just looking into the FX Impact line of air rifles, I would strongly suggest looking at a model that offers their barrel harmonic controller. You could have dialed in an even tighter group as you shot it. Sub MOA groups at 100 are the norm with an Impact, add the harmonic barrel tuner and it's a nail driver at 100.
For all calibers of ammo offered? Or just the .22 equivalent?
@@ricksmith7232 for all
the harmonic balancer is old tech. get a carbon fiber barrel tensioner kit, dial in your power properly, it drives tacks. the new carbon fiber tensioner kit does a much better job taming the pulse wave than the clunky harmonic balancer piece.
I shoot quarter sized groups at 100 yards with my Hatsan.
@@marcoslaureano5562 which kind of Hatsan?
I have been shooting for a long time and what I have found is using airguns have greatly improved my ability to shoot better for many reasons. I think being able to practice without recoil and loud sounds and the fact I can practice in my basement and get a lot of trigger time are key to becoming a better shot.
Not to mention you can practice bullet drop compensation in your backyard
In the old Beeman's catalog, one of the benefits of using an airgun in firearms training was maintaining a steady hold throughout the shooting cycle. The normal action just after letting a round fly is to relax a bit. It's almost instinctive, but it can happen even before the round leaves the barrel. The airgun fires at a lower velocity so the pellet is in barrel longer and any relaxing immediately after the squeeze becomes evident by dropped groups.
@@lllhunterlll9644 Fascinating. That sounds super helpful.
I started saving up my money at about 10. My first, the one I wanted, was a Benjamin Franklin, pump. The round forend with grooves. In 22 cal. Next was a Crossman, one we probably all had. Then I saved up and got a Sheridan tada! At the time the top of the line as far as I knew. 61,62,somewhere along there. I've had them every since and I'm 70 years old. I've got a Benjamin Franklin pump handgun and a Benjamin Franklin one pump long gun with a scope. Man,I'd love to get one of these new ones. This is as close as I can get right now. Will be watching for ideas.
Amazing!
Wow amazing video, excited to see the Panthera in the hands of legendary TH-camr Garand Thumb! Great shooting, and shout out to our Director of Sales Kevin!
Dude, that looks like so much fun! My buddies and I had pellet rifles and pistols when we we kids and had a blast. Watching this really takes me back.
Every PCP manufacturer has a particular pellet or slug that shoots the best out a certain barrel . The 22 happens to be the caliber with the most variety in shape and diameter for the PCP . With equal speed to a 22 rim fire and same grain . Giving both the best ammo each can shoot should come down to the person behind the gun .
You can also get full auto air guns delivered to your door as well. also not stated is Air guns are available up to 50cal, some are made to shoot arrows as well. My first PCP was a 300 buck origin in .22cal and remains one of my favorites, have only had the opportunity to shoot it out to 200 yards. There are local ranges here to shoot a little farther, but they are quite costly and right now I cannot afford the extra expense associated with these larger club ranges.
Question is which is the most lethal option there is out there with airguns 🤔
@@Blackstar-yd3yf Any caliber is lethal with proper shot placement. Air gun calibers I own are.177, .22, .25, .30. As of this time I have not done any hunting with the .30 or the .177.
@@rogerhancock8732 talking more about the human kind of target
@@Blackstar-yd3yf AEA makes a gun called the Zeus that shoots a 72cal slug. It puts out 1500FPE, roughly what an AK does. You only get 2.5 decent shots before you need to refill your tank though.
Any caliber of gun is lethal. In old the Cold War, the assassins would use suppressed 22cal at close range.
@@kungfoochicken08 I wouldn't trust a .22 🤣 I know they work but since I heard about that guy who got shot by his wife in the head and didn't find out till the day after going to the hospital with a headache...
There’s only one man’s opinion on this that really matters… .22 man needs to be heard
As a proud owner of a few of these PCP rifles and someone who served 21 years active duty army and fired plenty of weapons, these things are a blast! I have some spendy ones but honestly my favorite to just dick around with is my cheaper Benjamin Bulldog .357 cal, it’s a heavy chunk of lead that will go through 3 pressure treated 2x4s at a quarter the price per round lol
I had a Bulldog and the thing was a powerhouse. You could hunt anything at range.
@@fullmoonprepping4024 100%, I think bang for the buck it’s still one of the best out there though prices are shooting up quick lol. You ever have any issues with yours? Mines been flawless, my more expensive have issues here and there, nothing serious but that damn bulldog is like clockwork. I bought it the year I retired from the army Jan 2019, got the Megamoderator, extra mags and the depinger, haven’t had one damn issue ❤️
I want that one first I think
@@beantea5592 can’t go wrong with it in my opinion, the couple guys I know that also own them seem to feel the same way, a good workhorse
PCP guns are so much fun, back in 2010 i shot a 10 shot group at 100m covering only 41mm CC with my 22. AA x-fac 410 and jumbo exact pellets
What is the coat you’re wearing? That thing looks great!
It’s actually a normal sized bike. He’s just 12 feet tall
Really great videos thank you so much for everything you do ! Your dedication and passion comes through in every video! Thank you! Take care!
This is really good
little fun fact. air rifles were even used in combat in history. the "Windbüchse" was a rifle from the 17th century and a quiet deadly weapon where you had to reload with pumping new air into the container with your hand
Love it! I honestly never thought I'd see Garand actually review an air rifle! All around master of his craft!
Man it was awesome!! Never would have thought it to be true some day. But holy moly whissle pigs are gonna get some lead doses now!!
Please no simping
But it was such a simple simp. 😂 just cuz he's your daddy, doesn't mean the rest of us can't admire the damage he's done. 😂
@@michaelmeadows5142 We definately need more airgun videos. Even more higher power one airungs need to be introduced.😁
This is great content on air rifles. It opens the eyes to a lot of people to how amazing these rifles can be! Keep up the great content!
Brilliant
A video with the 357 9mm rattler
hey brother, im gonna need the background music from the start of the video LOL
Glad that you took a look at the FX Airgun Gerand. I have three FX Impacts in .22 Caliber, .30 Caliber and .357 Caliber. My biggest airgun is the Airforce Texan .457 Caliber, and I shoot a 350 grain slug in competition at the Rocky Mountain Airgun Challenge ( RMAC ) in Utah. I shoot all of the other FX Impacts in 100 yard benchrest competitions, 50 yard benchrest competitions, PRS Competitions, speed challenge, and I have other airguns that I shoot in Hunter Field Target Competitions. You shot the FX Panthera awesome for the first time shooting it. 300 yards, first time shooting is impressive. I have shot all of my FX Impact .22 caliber with ZAN Slugs and the .357 Caliber with NSA Slugs, both out to 350 yards on steel. All three of my slug shooters can hit the 3" circle at 300 yards at the range in Indiana that I shoot long distances in. The airgun that Louis & Clark had in their journey was the Girardoni Airgun that Napolean wanted banned in war. It was a .46 caliber round ball. The air reservoir was filled to 800 PSI and was good for about 80 full power shots. The airgun was a 20-round repeater in a tubular feed magazine. If you can find one, and want to add it to any collection, it would be more than worth picking up. Thanks for the awesome video.
And how much were these, cuz they seem to be expensive af
@@Reaperherpderp they are expensive. No different than a high end competition firearm would be. There are economic airguns available also that are accurate as well. A high end airgun will cost close to 2k and up. I have several as so do many of my fellow Airgunners, but we all compete and have a blast every weekend, and I also compete at the international competitions as well, and so do some of them as well. You can compete with these FX Impacts and FX Panthera Airguns right alongside the Vodoo’s, CZ’s, Christian Arms, in PRS, NRL22, matches and NL50 matches. It all depends on what you want to get involved in. There are members at my local gun club that shoot shotguns that cost tens of thousand dollars.
@@airguns_rc I mean i was interested but i can build decked out AR's for 2k.
These seem very cool and would be fun to have and much more convenient for shooting recreationally but i dont think i can personally justify spending this much for a similar set up like in the video
@@Reaperherpderp completely understand. If you want an airgun to hang with the competition 22 LR’s of the world for example. You will end up spending that much.
Keep in mind the cost of high pressure air pumps and tanks for these captive air rifles. Quality 3000 psi pumps are rather dear, the need for good dry air has led many to choose nitrogen bottles instead. Still not inexpensive as an overall system.
I shoot .45, .30, .25, .22, and .177 air rifles. It's a lot of fun, but not a cheap hobby. I first fell in love with the quality of manufacturing by Dennis Quackenbush in Missouri back in the 1980's long before the new guys took up big bore.
I have the FX Impact Mk II in both .22 & .30. It's nice that you can change barrels on these. They re expensive though and air leaks can be a problem down the road.
How much is the initial cost for everything that you would need to set up one of these in .22 caliber?
@@abnr1983A quality top tier pcp air rifle and air source can be had for $2500-3500. The lower amount is for a rifle and air tank (scuba style). The higher amount is for a rifle and an air compressor (very specific type). For a mid tier setup your looking at about $1-2k. There are cheaper pcp air rifles to be had but you do get what you pay for.
@@harryltoomey thanks, I had a burning desire for that knowledge that was about to send me to google!
I do not have a FX. But my leshiy 2 had a leak after I had taken it apart. The problem was that "standard black" O-rings Where used.. Changed two of them to the "green" Steyr ones. They are mutch harder. And you would probably have to use a knife to make any mark on them....
air leaks are an easy fix with a seal kit if you have shot it so much it has worn a seal- either that or you did not assemble something correctly. these rifles are designed to sit for months and not leak at all. most users have a leak at one of the gauges because they mess with them.
9:23 pocket bikes are essential pieces of mechanized infantry kit
Whilst I loved the content, I actually spent more time wondering at the dramatic landscape. I grew up in a mountainous area of Wales but now live in the city. I do miss the mountains.
Really want to see Mike driving around on that bike full kit
I use my Texan SS .457 for deer and bear hunting. I find them to do very well for penetrating's shots (Sort of like a arrow). They work really well, although they very easily over penetrate (watch what's behind your target as it will also be hit). I feel like this air rifle though (in the video) is still mid-low-range (regarding power). Also that stock tank is really small. I use a 4500psi carbon fiber tank on mine.
Deer is one thing, but you really do have to be out of your god damn mind to hunt bear with a single-shot air rifle......
@@Astraeus.. They are not single shot, also its black bear. Mine is bolt action, I get 5-6 good high powered shots. They are super accurate though... so range and good shot placement is key.
I also have a tank and a regulator to a larger separate tank that can refill or give me +100 shots if I keep it connected with a regulator.
@@Astraeus..Dude, the guy is probably sitting in a tree stand with a bait setup beneath him and shooting the bear from 30ft away.
I have same one… its a beast
@@jimyeats Oh no, not up a tree. What's a bear ever gonna do about that.....
What’s the jacket mikes wearing during the chrono test it looks badass
Nice acuracy👍
Being a dual national Aussie and Brit this is right up my alley 😅
If you live in both nations, you cant even own a butter knife so how can you own an Airgun?
Sorry to rain on your parade but you'll need a Firearms Certificate for an air rifle that powerful
Yep, in the UK you'd need a licence for one that powerful. That's how bud light this country has become.
@@bit_crusherrr and thats why *gets stabbed* the EU and Aussie *gets Acid poured on my face* are super safe cause nobody *gets punched and kicked* can have a fully Semi auto rilfe *gets bite by a dog and human*
@@bit_crusherrr Yea I know, this is easier to obtain in England than it is in Aus.
I shot one of these that was set up for demo at a PRS competition last year it was amazing! The targets were 3in steel set up in 25y increments to 150yds and that this was dead on. Was amazing to shoot
beautiful backdrop
Not only does it work but it LOOKS awesome
I got into the airgunning world a few years ago for whitetail hunting and hogs. I can attest to the upfront costs. The rifle was almost 1700 bucks(AirForce Texan LSS 45) the 96 cu ft air tank another 800 bucks, and I bought 2 different compressors a 12v portable that barely fills the tank on the gun, 300 bucks, and broke down and bought an Air Venturi 4,500 psi compressor to fill the big scuba tank. Another 1500 bucks. Ammo was a bit of a quest to find. Sure, Seneca makes cast slugs for it, extreme spreads of 18 " at 50 yards. But then I happened across Nielsen precision. Their slugs are swedged rather than cast, and man, what a difference. Now, I can stack shots out to 200 yards with ease. For a deer gun, though, running Nielsen 350 grain slugs, at 940fps, it's a sledgehammer out to 150 yards. I just filled up the big scuba tank and go sit out on the porch and have a ball. I did, however, end up spending a small fortune before I found which slugs my rifle likes to eat. With grain weights from 177 grains all the way up to 410 grains, my particular set up prefers the 220 to 240 grain wad cutters. Running 980fps, with 480 to 500 fpe. I can say that at 50 yards, the lung damage to the deer I shot was comparable to the damage done to the deer my sister shot the next day with a 204 Ruger at 140 yards. When bith were opened up, both sets if lungs basically poured out of chest cavities . But that was still shooting a basically new rifle with roughly 3 hours behind the trigger. And with the Seneca slugs . Needless to say, It was expensive to get into, but I'm hooked.
Great wad of info in this post! Answered just about every question I had before perusing the comments. Thanks man
So, you went right passed every single cheap option there was, to feel like you were shooting a firearm.
You do realize that there are cheaper options, right? For what you spent on the Airforce gun alone, I went hunting for hogs in California's Santa Ana River basin, with a .50 airgun and Neilsen ammo, with a H. Hill of Britain hppcp airpump. Took a 500lbs sow pig from a tree at 930pm in almost total darkness, with iron sights.
You are the only person who determines whether or not it's going to be expensive.
I paid $736 for the gun(Sam Yang Dragon's Claw) and $316 for the pump. And boxes of the 250 grain hp .495 slugs from Nielsen are $20 for 110 slugs.
@guardsmanom134 You're right, I did go right past every cheap option. If I wanted to shoot a firearm , I probably would have taken my hog rifle. It's a custom built 458 socom tho, and a bit much for white tails. Now, the last hog I got in south Texas with it rolled across the scales at a touch over 500 lbs. But I didn't write the post to get into a pissing contest. The whole point though, is I couldn't afford the Impact, and I'm too old to be pumping a bicycle pump for 45 minutes everytime I feel like shot for 5. But to each his own. I will give you this though, the Nielsen precision slugs are actually a lot less expensive than the cast Seneca slugs and I did get just about every weight slug available to see what shot the best out my gun. Then again, that's just me too. But I'm happy for ya. I certainly wouldn't knock ya for your choice of tools.
@@Whoadayson glad to help.
@Robert Koonce ok... I'm not knocking your choices, I'm just saying that there's a cheap way of doing it. You chose to make it expensive for comfort, and through choice of brand. I've been thinking about a pony bottle or something like that myself, for my 25. But again, I realize that price is not a definite way of measuring an airgun. I could never afford an FX Impact or an Edgun Leshiy 2. But, I have a need for something that will do the same tasks, as effectively. So, I bought a couple of Hatsan airguns for a quarter of what I would have paid for the big name brands. And I bought my Big Bore for half of what I'd have paid for other brands/guns.
What's more, say I had firearms and a big budget. I could buy a DD AR copy for around 14k. Does that mean that the PlastiSCAR doesn't exist? No, it just means I chose to buy an expensive rifle.
My point is, expense is entirely governed by your choices, and is not reflective of the hobby itself.
Recently Joerg of the slingshot channel showed a .75 air rifle that seemed to be the obnoxious distant cousin of this. Instead of being quiet with no recoil it was pretty loud and showed Joerg about some even though he's a pretty solid dude. It would be interesting to see just how far these air rifles can be pushed, and in case of the .75 caliber just how much air it uses per shot. When Joerg tested it was tethered by a pneumatic hose to either a huge tank or a compressor, so I'm thinking a more normal tank suitable to be mounted on the rifle won't allow for all that many shots before it's depleted...
Probably the aea zues, it reaches 1500 fpe so legitimately hits harder than 5.56
Personally not a fan of the company because of my experience with their semi auto terminator and absolute lack of any customer service when I asked them why my plastic valve pin keeps breaking every few hundred shots and if they plan to do anything about it or if they expect me to purchase a mass stock of these things for 20$ each.
Also straight up told me these 40$ mags they sold me they actually knew they didn't work and their only solution was for me to buy their new cnc mags for 60$.
I mean a semi auto airgun pushing 150 fpe is absolutely amazing but I really wish they didn't just brush off the massive amount of customer complaints and blame everyone except themselves.