Pistol vs Rifle, vs SBR: ATF Rules Explained
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- Why does the ATF make everything so confusing when it comes to defining a Pistol vs a Rifle vs an SBR? In this video, I'm going to decode line by line what the ATF classifies each and breaking down the key differences between them. Let's clear up the confusion together. Don't miss out-check it out now!
Brace:
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SBR:
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Pistol:
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Rifle:
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So we’re clear here, the difference between a felon and a law abiding citizen, is $200 😂😂
$200 and being put on a federal registration list.
God forbid you forget to call it a "Pistol" and accidently call it a "rifle" when talking to ATF agent. This has gotten crazy.
Or a brace 🤦🏻🙄
Just how messed up is that. Such BS !
Ah yes, the whole act of "taxing" an inherent right. Not that Tim will ever spend any time railing against violations of the Constitution, I believe he's clearly said he'd be happy to violate most people's rights.
@@constitutionalright827 his hands are bound with "regulations". Sell what you can.. How many mom and pop stores are being eliminated? All I know is my pistol sure is difficult to conceal carry daily. Always the magazine poking out.
All I heard was the word infringement, infringement, and infringement over and over
Americans have gotten soft in general. That's why these control freaks have gotten away with taking so much with little to no resistance.
Amen
Tim and Alex Soros are GREAT friends so infringement is apart of their strategy
@TimkennedyMMA you know all about trying to infringe on the 2A don't you?
This dude is an establishment shill.
Be real and let the world know there’s no difference other than the ATF being gay
So are you saying they should be known as the GAYTF?
Little known fact, ATF stands for Against The Freedom.
100% gun control isn't the answer. Gun proliferation is!
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@@L228Ayes!
If tim kennedy told me the sun was going to rise tomorrow morning, i would wait and see for myself before i believed him.
#MeToo
Why? What was wrong with this video?
Shouldn't you do that for everyone? "Trust but verify "
Nobody should be above question.
@user-fq4iz9dt6l Tim Kennedy has a fudd view of the 2nd. He apparently flip flopped on that view in a half ass way to save face. He's made it clear in an podcast he doesn't think an 18 yr. Old should have an ar15.
That tax stamp you mean that extortion fee
"This is 100% illegal. Unless you bribe us."
@@BIGxJIMxSLADEridiculous isn’t it.
tim kennedy is the type of guy who can't make the connection that a tax stamp to exercise 2a is like a paid license to use social media
@@BIGxJIMxSLADE
They tried going after pistol braces because they didn’t like how readily convertible short barreled guns are.
@@Landscapeofsolitude If we are being 1000% honest, we ALL know exactly what we were "getting away with". Not talking about the people who actually use them as designed, but we all knew it was just a workaround.
Thank you Tim! But we all know if it were up to you, they’d all be illegal for citizens to own!
This guy is an enemy against the Second Amendment. Never apologized for his multiple statements on infringement. As a fellow veteran, I am sick of people like him using his credentials to support gun grabbing. PASS.
Hey Lt,,what did he say? Is he a spongedick in disguise?
I thought he was a good fella.
This should be good…
He's a Stealth FED Propaganda Mouthpiece.
I was just checking to see if anyone else thought the same
You should post links of what he has said for everyone’s edification.
CALL EM OUT
You know when I was 19, I was carrying fully automatic M4's, was standing overseas security teams armed with M240N's and M2 .50 Cal MG's. But HOW DARE I come home and get an AR-15 and protect myself and my family. PSA, don't say you support 2A and then look like you're enjoying yourself talking about the unconstitutional laws. Biggest hypocrite.
Spot on. I wonder if you "qualify" to own an AR is his eyes?
@devinaugust9565 At least YOU qualify to own one of these in Tim's mind. While we all appreciate his service. His actions since have shown him to have not really meant his oath.
I thought former military are exempt from age restrictions?
Sounds like you are on track to knowing why you should never serve again and if you have children or grandchildren ward them off from doing so as well! You know what? Not just your kids and grand kids but any kid that will listen!
@@ramhammer10-4 No. Nobody is exempt. To this day I have to tell active duty soldiers, below 21, that they aren't allowed to buy handguns because they're not old enough. Yet, at their job, they're serving and caring M4's. It's a disgrace, really.
Tim, the ATF has no rule making authority.
Congress can't delegate law making out to other federal corporate agencies, it must go through Congress to have any effect, as upheld by multiple Supreme Court rulings, most recently the EPA vs. West Virginia case. And this applies to all agencies, including but not limited to the ATF and the IRS.
These corporate entities don't have power over we the people.
We need to start acting like it.
and yet, as long as the DOJ and their toady Merrick Garland are held captives of the Democrats, laws and the Constitution simply don't matter !
Actually the congress has no constitutional authority to regulate guns. And that WV case, the man who won it is soon to be our governor.
Well, that's a commendable le position, and things should work that way.
Congress has abrogated its responsibility in allowing these so called "enforcement " agencies to decide policy.
Congress needs to be held to account for the blatant ambiguity and abuse of power that they allow to these agencies.
As it stands now, these agencies can and have ruined lives.
I'm pretty sure Congress passed an act allowing itself to delegate rules and interpretation of laws they have passed to agencies tasked with enforcement. Surely we should know this rather than just complain that it is wrong. At least then we'd know the specific legal hold ups.
Edit: I looked it up. Hard to find, but this looks right:
Rulemaking is largely governed by standards set forth in the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. § 551 et seq.). An act passed by Congress in 1946
guides.loc.gov/administrative-law/rules#%3A~%3Atext%3DCongress%20grants%20rulemaking%20authority%20to%2Csubstantial%20implications%20for%20policy%20implementation."
@RuggedIrish absolutley correct+ what we should complain about is the abrogation of law making responsibilities by Congress.
More correctly, they allow these arbitrary enforcement rules to carry the weight of law, without congress themselves regularly reviewing those rules in detail!
The objective is to make it so confusing that even the ATF themselves can’t even make sense of it. Mission accomplished.
Marines are losing their minds with all those open ejection port covers. 😂
How dare you point out the obvious.
Can confirm
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You’re right I was 😂 i was also wondering why he didn’t mention an AOW
former Marine here. IDGAF.
Hey Tim I’m 19. Do you think I shouldn’t be allowed to have my AR15? The right to protection? Or have you changed your stance
His lack of comment tells you your answer. He wants you disarmed son.
He doesn't think much of an adult less than 21 years of age
Young man at the age of 18 ALL constitutional rights like voting gun ownership are now yours. All who say otherwise are anti constitution and PISS poor americans
Where do you live? Where I'm from you can have an ar15 at 18, you just can't have a pistol until 21
You answered your own question, disarm yourself
You're not ready to own a weapon.
Wait until you are 21.
Tim talking about Rifle's and Pistols is like Dylan Mulvaney talking about Beer.
Unlike Tim, that shirt doesn't come in men's.
In your next video, you should explain the gun control rules and laws you support and why.
The exitement in his voice saying one of them "without the propper paperword would get you put in jail for ever" says all you need to know.
Off topic -Mr. Kennedy, I recently put my oldest daughter into an Apogee school. And it’s the best decision we made. She absolutely loves it. I found it about the schools from following you. Thank you sir. And Thank you for your service.
That is great to hear. We are working our butts off. If we don’t fix our education system, our country is doomed. This next generation are our future leaders and we HAVE to fight for them.
@@TimkennedyMMA Amen!
@TimkennedyMMA why did you help create an AI program to prohibit people from buying firearms who otherwise wouldn't be for stuff like social media posts and dismissed criminal charges but you lie and say you love the second amendment? Double check is what it's called. You're a walking infringement
This you? “I believe gun control is a massive solution.” “I don’t think a 19 year old kid should have access to an AR-15. I don’t think he should be able to buy a pistol, but fortunately he can’t, but if you can’t buy a pistol how can you buy a semi-automatic AR, that doesn’t make sense to me.”
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Notice he didn't answer.
@@RedneckInCarolina instead my comment was deleted
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@@RedneckInCarolina yeah, my comment was deleted that included the video clip saying the words mentioned above
More recently than that video he said the opposite on john lovells pod. However I did see the video aforementioned. I think he might have realized the error in his thinking and changed his mind. Maybe he is just afraid of losing his base and so is saying his feelings are different. Idk but we do know he is an ally. The smartest ally? The most useful ally? Probably not but an ally nonetheless.
what will send you to jail forever are FBI informants like Tim Kennedy
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Hey Tim, has your gun store ever sold an AR to a 19 year old combat veteran who's just gotten back from a deployment to Afghanistan where he regularly carried and used a SAW, 240B, or M4? 🤔 I don't envy you in the least because I'd hate to be the guy whose hypocrisy is pointed out every time I make a statement or video about firearms...
Whatever the rules are, Tim wants more, and to enforce them...
Wow that's a weird take on this video.
@@user-yq7xf2ss6e not if you know Tim...go look up Tim Kennedy and Double Check...he's for private background checks more invasive than the federal ones. He also does not support the right to keep and bear arms for civilians, wants gun control of various forms. He tries to restate the position since called out, but then goes on another interview saying much the same again. He wants more, whatever the rules are. He's not satisfied how many there are now, and made that very clear. Meanwhile, the 2A community wants the NFA repealed or overturned, the GCA, etc. Tim doesn't.
@@user-yq7xf2ss6e I boycott any channel that interviews Tim. Look up Tim and Double Check...he's for private gun control worse than the government's. He's said civilians shouldn't have the same right to arms he does as a vet. He is not for repeal of the NFA or GCA. He is not in the 2A community, as far as most of us are concerned. He's a celebrity vet...that's it.
yep.
@@tonypalmentera7752 wow
I wanted to add that it is illegal to convert your AR rifle into a pistol. If you buy an AR rifle and change out the stock to a brace and change the upper to less than 16in, it is illegal. You can convert a pistol to a rifle but not a rifle to a pistol.
Absolutely. Also if it started as a pistol and was converted to a rifle. It can go back to a pistol.
Correct, just do it the right way and build it as is and register the weapon as such.. Makes your life easier in the long run lol
So for the most flexibly buy a pistol and a 16" barrel ?
@@Nistonxoregister?
@@ethanking4954 start with a new stripped receiver, build a pistol.. Pin and weld a barrel extension of some kind. I like the fake suppressors. But remember that a pistol over "26 inches in length is an "any other weapon" requiring a tax stamp. Best to swap brace with a stock as you would your barrel. I've got a 20" and a 10.3" as well as a .300 blackout 16".
Tim probably made this video so the atf can monitor the comments and deem anyone critical as a threat.
This.
If youre not already on that list, you are part of the problem
🌈ATF 🏳️🌈
ATF rules mean zilch
From Tim’s own mouth -
“I believe gun control is a massive solution.” “I don’t think a 19 year old kid should have access to an AR-15. I don’t think he should be able to buy a pistol, but fortunately he can’t, but if you can’t buy a pistol how can you buy a semi-automatic AR, that doesn’t make sense to me.”
Yup. Dudes super gay.
If you can't understand the difference, then it shows that you are ignorant. And I mean that in the true sense of the word, not as an insult.
Laws don't care about your opinions. They don't necessarily make sense, but you don't get to arbitrarily interject or change them. That is Congress' job.
@@TheGrizz1717 It’s the duty of the patriot to defy unconstitutional law.
It shouldn’t take 16 minutes to explain this shit
We shouldn’t have to explain this. It’s unconstitutional, un-American, and an absolute infringement!
@TimkennedyMMA It's as simple as "do not comply"!
@@TimkennedyMMA do you still stand by a 19 year old shouldn't have an ar?
@@user-ck7tl4me2j No reply after 8 days... you have your answer.
Free men don't ask permission!
Why is the concept of regulating firearms at all not challenged in court? “The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed” does not discuss any qualification of any “arms”.
Possession of any Rifles, pistols, shotguns, cannon, knives, clubs, vehicles, battering, rams, grenades (aka petard), and any other weapon, is liable to get the bearer arrested in virtually every major city inside the USA, which is all together in violation of the second amendment.
Shall not be infringed. Seems pretty simple and all encompassing.
This chad seems like he woulld snitch on you at your local gun range. He should think about being a politician . Hed fit right in.
Ole Timmy says hes gonna break things down because he's a pro
Proceeds to explain things wrong 😂
Hey, he's a "vet" so that automatically makes him a "expert" 'n stuff.
Tim Kennedy is the new ATF spokesperson?
Thanks for the Herds Up
I'm outta here
Makes no sense when he says the rules are stupid and is just trying to explain them to the people that have no idea that they are a felon overnight because of what they have owned for years! Pay attention... Explain to me how he is in favor of these rules or the ATF... I just don't see it! He owns a Gunshop and has to know this stuff and makes a video to pass the right info to the people that may have no clue like several of the people i know! Is it stupid that he had to make the video? Hell, yes, it's stupid because the A T F makes no sense and has no authority to make these laws etc.!
Let's be honest, it's all a vocabulary game. SBR's and Pistols with a brace are the same thing and the ATF is out of line trying to regulate something as irrelevant as 4-8 inches of barrel length.
The world according to Tim: Civilians shouldn't have guns, except me. But until that happens...welcome to my gun store.
Tim, with respect, you misspoke multiple times regarding length and you’re making this even more confusing for people
Tim Gun Control Kennedy
Ya he made a stupid statement but honestly the way kids are nowadays and way less responsible it's understandable. I don't think they should be able to even vote until they are 21 if the government says they are not smart enough to make a decision on tobacco products..
They want them to vote though because they are very susceptible to propaganda.
@@rickywoods3101 if that’s the way we are going to think about it we need to increase the age for selective service and to join the military to 21 as well then.
@@danielrgusa I agree, I think kids nowadays are just not near as mature.
@@rickywoods3101 Yes, let's lower our standards as a society, as parents, and to our great nation. Sounds like a great plan.
Stop raising thumb sucking mommies boys and lead by example. Go to church, get soy out of your house, mandate fitness for the whole family. Teach everyone to think, not just parrot what they are fed, but to think. God help our great nation in our time of need.
$200 makes scary dangerous guns less scary and dangerous.
ATF is 🌈
"One of these is a pistol and one of these is a rifle."
And one of these is a guy who pretends to support the 2A for civilians.
What does it matter what they are classified as? YOU don’t think 18 year old adult male civilians should own them.
If the ATF can’t regulate accessories then why do we have to wait a year and jump through 100 hoops to obtain a suppressor?
I’m not even going to ask if you’ll be shouldering that Rattler on Friday.😂
It would be a waste not to 😁
There is so much sarcasm in this video. It’s amazing.
Extremely informative.. However, doesn't this feel like they are taking inches? This reminds me of "We're with the government and we're here to help you."
They are taking miles. We have to act now and get everyone out to vote in November
@@TimkennedyMMAthe best way to act is to not listen to? What are they gunna do take all our guns? There are what 5 or 6 AR-15’s to every Ford F150 you see??? lol good luck.
WHOA!!! AT ~@ 2:30...YOUR DEFINITION OF A "RIFLE" IS WORDED WRONG!.. IT SHOULD BE A "MINIMUM" LENGTH OF 26"... [NOT: ..."LESS THAN 26"...]
He isn’t smart.
Just bulid a sbr and stfu about it
Do you sell rifles to 18 year olds?
Surprise he kept the comments turn on for this one.
they're deleting most of the criticism
Give it time
I’m more confused now than I was before watching your video. Contradictions, including words on the screen and what you were saying.
This should be mandatory viewing for every person in Congress.
Why? DC politicians have zero concern on what the subjects of this nation must submit to
ATF is a Karen
Tim is a Karen.
Tim’s opinion, civilians shouldn’t be able to own either a rifle or a pistol 😢
A suppressor should fall under that accessory description
It all comes down to the 2nd amendment, not the AFT. Anything outside of that is unconstitutional.
The NFA of 1934 needs to be challenged in SCOTUS!
SBR is a novelty in the US, pistol is the way to go if you actually plan to use it. I own both, SBR stays in the safe save for range days, pistol goes in the truck with me at all times.
Typo at 2:30
YOU START OUT BY STATING THAT THE ATF DOESN'T REGULATE "ACCESSORIES".... YET, THEN, LATED, YOU SHOW A LONG LIST OF "RULES" PERTAINING TO "BRACES"... WTF???!!!
Infringement vs infringement, vs infringement: unconstitutional tyranny explained
The definition for pistol is lacking because proper stance utilizes two hands. Of course you could use one if you wanted to, but you could technically shoot a rifle with one hand too. 🤷🏻♂️
What happens when people who no nothing about firearms make rules for The People who know everything about firearms.
Great video!
The Tim Kennedy fan bois are so embarrassing.
He has some?
The AFT argues that they regulate silencers AND they argue that it is an accessory, so the 2A doesn't apply.
Double standards
this guy wants to take your gun rights away
They don't know
Umm. Wut?
Which guy?
@@llemmon tim
Why would you say that?@@remedialone6987
Pro tip kids, once you have a form 1/4 sbr, you can’t transport it across state line without atf permission and you have to notify the sherif in the county you are traveling to before you can take it there
TIM KENNEDY........THE ANTIGUNNER!!!!
I didn't know Tim was a Hobbit. My RATTTLER looks much smaller in my hands.
What's the difference between the ATF and a Pride Rally?
Pride rallies *know* they're gay.
Good to hear the explanation directly from an agent. Shall not be infringed!!!
Sidebar... as a civilian, can I shop at your store?
Tim, you don't love the Second Amendment. You may love firearms but you're not pro 2A bro. You said if you're on meds or aren't 21 you shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm and you and some anti 2A activists came up with an AI program that would prohibit more people from buying firearms that otherwise wouldn't be for shit like offensive social media posts, websites they visited and criminal charges that were dismissed.
Did he walk those statements back yet? Or does he stand by them? Because those are (redacted) statements that he made
@jasonsierchio1167 he literally founded a program called double check protect that uses AI to prevent people from buying guns based on a social credit score like communist China or something. Even if he did walk those statements back he is actually trying to infringe on the 2A.
You don’t understand the 2nd amendment to being with.
I agree with Tim, there are certain criteria that SHOULD keep you from buying a weapon. Domestic violence offenders are already on the list for one.
@rogeliorodriguez8518 the people who should not be able to buy guns like domestic abusers and mentally insane people are already legally prohibited. You, sir, don't understand the Second Amendment or more, so don't support the Second Amendment if you are cool with FFLs using an AI program that scours through your social media to restrict you from buying firearms over things you posted or sites you visited.
Isn't this the guy that thinks citizens shouldn't have guns
Tim doesn’t want you to own either!!!
Tim and the rest of brcc are the living embodiment of either dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain
WGAF....? Do Not Comply! Stop worrying about hit unenforceable laws!
I’m confused. I thought Tim believes Americans should not own AR15’s. Maybe that notion makes this video click bait, but then again, nothing means anything, anymore.
Shout out to Tim; Captain America 🇺🇸
Great video. As a new gun guy, i found these rules so damn confusing.. i mean clearly any AR is NOT a pistol, but theres so many damn laws to jump around.
Also, why are so many people hating on Tim? I dont get that one either.
Tim your a legend in your own mind, you DONT LOVE THE 2nd,
to take away everyone else's rights so you can have a brace is truly a dick move.
5:26 his forearm is what men call a bicep
Correct. I bicep fire my full size AK and AR cause apparently i have monkey arms.
9:14 that heavy has the cool kid switch tho
Oh, thank god we have tim to clear up the confusion!!
If I have a sbr that’s 11.5 inches and I remove the stock, vertical grip and add a brace is that considered a pistol ??
So the ATF pretty much knows fuck all about guns. Surprise surprise.
And Tim in your opinion, most people shouldn't own either. So what are you doing trying to run a TH-cam channel like you actually support the 2A? Don't you have some ActBlue donations to make?
Great input and general information Tim! Thanks for your time. God bless brother!
Since the chevron deference decision, wouldn’t that take any rule making power away from the atf and if so wouldn’t those rules be null and void now?
Yes, it should...
@@jasonsierchio1167 But it does NOT. Still need to go through the whole legal process including appeals.
Save up lots of money
This has been confusing me for a while. Thanks for the clarification.
So @TimKennedy are you still calling for so-called 'RedFlag' laws and the removal of due process?? Are you still calling for more 2A infringement???
Brace rule was not struck down because it's unconstitutional it was struck down because it violated the APA. They, in theory could reset and start this whole nightmare all over again.
There's some bad information in here.
It's not simply a matter of putting a brace on it or putting a stock on it, that determines whether you have a pistol or an SBR. You can't just take a rifle and swap out the upper for a shorter barrel, and then throw a brace on it. Once a rifle, always a rifle. What matters is how the gun was originally "designed" when it was serialized and how it was designated when transferred. Ironically, if you buy a "pistol", you can put a 16" or longer upper on it all you want, and switch it back to a shorter barrel whenever you want. Once a pistol, always a pistol.
In other words, just make sure that all your AR lowers are "pistols", and then do whatever you want with your uppers.
Side note, if you own an AR "rifle" and you buy just an upper with a barrel less than 16". The ATF can and will charge you with "contructive possession" of an SBR. So again...just stick with "pistol" lowers, which are generally covered by your CCW while "rifles" are typically not, but check your state laws to be sure on that one.
Summarized fellas:
Rifle: 16 inch Barrel.
SBR: Less than 16in Barrel WITH Stock (intended to be fired from the shoulder).
AR "Pistol": Less than 16 inch Barrel NO STOCK, but with a BRACE not intended to be fired from the shoulder "wink wink"
*with AR Pistol DO NOT PUT a vertical foregrip on it only a angled foregrip. Vertical Foregrip equals $200 Tax Stamp.
Just saved you guys some time. And of course these rules and laws are good because as we all know, bad guys follow the rules, and good people should be punished for what bad guys do.
Thing to note is you cant turn your Rifle into a Pistol. Only a Pistol can be turned from a Pistol to a Rifle and back to a Pistol. Rifle can only turn into a SBR.
Tim, does the recent ruling on the “Chevron decision “ impact the ATF’s ability to right those regulations? I’m not sure if I completely understand what the overall impact of that ruling means to all unelected agencies.
What I see here is messing with loopholes. Technically the brace is "designed" to be held against the forearm, but for all intents and purposes it's just a shitty buttpad when used against the shoulder
Tim is doing the Lord's work and what our Forefathers intended us to have.
God given rights.
Thank you for this! A lot of us fully intend on being law abiding we just misinterpret writtin lingo occasionally.
My boy Tim got some good rigs
Unless something changed with the recent court rulings, swapping a rifle length barrel to SBR length and simply changing to a pistol brace doesn't make it a pistol if the receiver was originally listed as a rifle (sold as a complete rifle) on the form 4473. If you bought a receiver listed as "other," you have the option of building a pistol or a rifle. The swap you described, if the receiver was sold as a rifle, would result in an SBR with a pistol brace. Again, perhaps the court rulings changed this.
Correct, it would be unlawful to switch out a Rifle stock to a brace on receiver that is originally listed as a rifle. You can only switch it out on a receiver that is a Pistol.
Does the ATF train all of it's agents to engage threats with their service pistols and limiting them to using A SINGLE HAND TO FIRE THE WEAPON ? Last I checked, there aren't many firearms instructors teaching students to shoot using ONLY 1 hand, as ATF's 'Pistol' determination regulation specifies. WTF ?
Just came here to say FED.. Also warms my heart to see how many others came to say something similar too bad you get YT points for the views and comments