What is the Best Caliber for your SBR?

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  • In today's video we test SBR's in a serious of strenous tests to find the best caliber for your short barrel rifle.
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  • @onepathofreason1
    @onepathofreason1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3109

    This is really awesome that you are using a new block for each round. Thank you for incurring the expense to bring us this much education and entertainment (edutainment).

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +694

      we do our best!

    • @michaelstanton8363
      @michaelstanton8363 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@GarandThumb use 125 grain for the rattler at range

    • @richardmueller7023
      @richardmueller7023 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Thanks GT and crew! You guys really do make my Sunday mornings, to the point where I look forward to your videos. Stay awesome guys!

    • @frozennorth6527
      @frozennorth6527 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@michaelstanton8363 110-125gr can do 500 pretty decent. Most people get it for for subsonic capability though, a lot of people sleep on the supers though. 10.5 seems to be absolute witchcraft for mine.

    • @matthewmason831
      @matthewmason831 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah that was amazing, it’s so much easier on the viewers so see the performance. Must be very expensive.

  • @MigratoryWhimbrel
    @MigratoryWhimbrel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1080

    For those of us trying to keep track of which guns are being used:
    Mark 18 -- 10.3 inch barrel, 5.56 mm
    Quickhatch -- 8.1 inch barrel, 5.45 mm
    SIG Rattler -- 5.5 inch barrel, 300 blk
    Arsenal _SAM7K_ -SLR- -- 8.3 inch barrel, 7.62 mm
    FAL OSW -- 11 inch barrel, .308

    • @nicholascecil6733
      @nicholascecil6733 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      About 10 minutes in, he said something about the O2 self igniting in the wound channel? Can someone please explain or help me understand?

    • @guillainbarre1
      @guillainbarre1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      search for diesel effect @@nicholascecil6733

    • @Sophisticlesenergy
      @Sophisticlesenergy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      ​@nicholascecil6733 so when a round enters a body cavity at extremely high speeds it forces the flesh to expand due to gasses spiraling the round and Hydro-Kinetic displacement. That's a principle of energy transfer involving fluid. When the temporary wound cavity is created the fluid then rushes in to close the vacuum created. Compression of oxygen within a vacuum causes ignition.

    • @BadHaddy
      @BadHaddy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@nicholascecil6733 He's probably referring to one of the many theories about the light emissions of ballistic gel when impacted by a projectile. It is GENERALLY believed to be a Sonoluminescence event, others believe is is some sort of dieseling of a fuel source in the gel itself. It's been generally studied, and is easily observed, but not rigorously investigated and published in a peer reviewed journal to the point of reaching consensus. It is not observed in organic ballistics gel (gelatin.)

    • @Sophisticlesenergy
      @Sophisticlesenergy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      My issue here is that i think they went very short on the 300 blk barrel, I would have liked to see at least a 9 inch barrel tested. Preferably a 10.5 but to my knowledge 5 is not the most common 300blk barrel length.
      Would just love to see 5.56 and 300 blk tested at the same 10.5 barrel length, bet the 300 blk stomps it.

  • @joek5352
    @joek5352 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +560

    Would really like to see the 300 black tested with supersonic ammo. Using subs in one caliber and supers in the rest is not an apples to apples comparison.

    • @nostaw100
      @nostaw100 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      I agree and he used a 5 inch barrel thats a nudered round at 5 inches its widely agreed 8 inch is the shortest you should go for 300 and most people like myself use 10 inch for 300 and 12 - 14 for 5.56 you get the optimal ballistics to length ratio from the calibers that way

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@nostaw100Totally agree. In theory, the can should add some additional velocity, but not enough to make up for the ridiculously short barrel length.

    • @omegaalpha2974
      @omegaalpha2974 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      300 blackout & possibly 8.6 are it( assuming that you use supers for long range ).

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Supersonic blk defeats the purpose of the round imo. The round was made for maximum signature reduction. Supersonic does not facilitate that purpose.

    • @SlavaUkraini1114
      @SlavaUkraini1114 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@smokingcrab2290 it's an option, but what makes 300 blk so good is that it's multipurpose, you can use subs for quiet shooting, but you can also switch to supers with nothing more than a reload.

  • @tomi6261
    @tomi6261 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    Team 300 Black here. Being able to instantly switch from crazy quiet subs to very respectable supers, without having to change a thing on my gun, makes it the most versatile for me. Caveat - I hardly ever shoot past 300-350 yards.

    • @DaveSmith-cp5kj
      @DaveSmith-cp5kj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Even if you shoot out to 800m you are good. Travis Haley a decade ago did a video of him shooting that far with an aimpoint which is wild. With a LPVO it is well within your capability no problem.

    • @Captain_Coleslaw
      @Captain_Coleslaw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      300blk is essentially a 308 round i think? So with the correct power behind it, its the same as a SBR 308?

    • @cody180sx
      @cody180sx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @Captain_Coleslaw 300 Blackout/7.62x35 is a .308 bullet in A .223 case, not as much powder behind means not as much ass behind it as a .308

    • @tomi6261
      @tomi6261 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Captain_Coleslaw Excellent point, that I unfortunately can not confirm. I do not know the true ballistics of the 308 in an SBR. The barrel length would of course have everything to do with the results. I can tell you that out of my 6.75" barrel, my handloads are accurately running: 220gr Berrys subs at 1025 fps, calculated at 513 ft lbs at the muzzle. And my 125gr Speer supers are running 2000fps which results in 1110 ft lbs. And 110gr Hornadys at 2150 fps, which comes to 1129 ft lbs. You can compare these to whatever numbers you find from a 308 SBR. But, the physical size and weight difference of the weapon and ammo still makes the 300 BO a crazy good choice for me UNLESS you are shooting very long ranges.

    • @tomi6261
      @tomi6261 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cody180sx You are probably correct in the category of supersonic full power loads. But if shooting subs, a 220gr 300 BO will outperform the 308 in any and every recipe simply because you can not safely load a 220gr bullet in a 308 case due to pressures. For supers, a short barrel (like 6"-8") will neuter the ever loving hell out of a full power 308 round so it may be closer than you think though. Plus, the recoil, report and blast of the 308 will be pure hell. "If you shoot this at night and you will die" Lol.

  • @youtubesucks2369
    @youtubesucks2369 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +356

    Ive never been more excited for Mike to show me the results of something so short !

    • @xaxsimplexescapex
      @xaxsimplexescapex 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      they're actually perfectly average, more common than you think!

    • @bQQm132
      @bQQm132 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      5.5" is pretty big actually. Even perfect. Yeah, Perfect.

    • @johndavid5862
      @johndavid5862 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Ummmmmmmm......... you ARE still speaking about rifles..........., right?!? 😐

    • @TalkingFlannel
      @TalkingFlannel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It’s pretty average, I think.

    • @davolbc
      @davolbc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Remember you're supposed to measure a barrel from the bottom LOL.

  • @matthewmason831
    @matthewmason831 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    Damn, .300 blackout should’ve had supersonic options tested too. Great video!

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +166

      next time for sure!

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      300blk is really designed for subs. It makes more sense to run a mk18 then 300blk imo when we are talking full power rounds

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      ​@CiviTac dunno.
      Some of the results with a higher speed 300 blk would probably outpace the 5.56 with such a short barrel due to powder burn and you push the energy way up vs the 200 grain subs

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@WayStedYou with the weight differences and the lethality of both being comparable at full power id take 556 every time for a “combat loadout” with an sbr. No hate against the 300blk but I’ve never met someone who buys that caliber for their main squeeze. It’s always a niche gun like for gooning and home defense.

    • @prelude2tube
      @prelude2tube 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      ​@@CiviTacif you're looking for big damage out of a short barrel, 300blk supers (especially in a soft-target / hunting round) are not to be underestimated. AAC's Sabre black tips are devastating from a short barrel, and (like for like, surpressed or not) are still meaningfully quieter than the mk18.

  • @MrBossuporbowout
    @MrBossuporbowout 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This was one of the most subtly funny yet informative videos I've seen. Great job guys

  • @marshmellowboy323
    @marshmellowboy323 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The informational and gear videos will always be my favorite, thank you for the knowledge Mr. Thumb

  • @TheTopGun920
    @TheTopGun920 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +179

    300 Blackout is my preferred round for SBR, but man 308 is such a beast.

    • @timewave02012
      @timewave02012 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Supersonic, though. Subsonic is neat if you need to be extra sneaky, but for most applications, especially self defense, supers win.

    • @user-yt5uw4kh5u
      @user-yt5uw4kh5u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@timewave02012 agreed

    • @EarthAltar
      @EarthAltar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Check out the IWI Tavor bullpup in .308. 16.5" barrel with an overall length of about 29". There you'll get almost full velocity out of the round in a similar sized package as an SBR. Around two grand.

    • @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595
      @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@timewave02012Depends on context. Supersonics are awesome no doubt, but sometimes you don’t want everyone in a 2-3 block radius knowing you just discharged a firearm.

    • @Infidel5723
      @Infidel5723 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I have a 10.3 in 308 🙃

  • @THEchefdoggy
    @THEchefdoggy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "You poor fuckers" - The most relatable comment GT has ever made. Thank you for always being a man of the people, by the people, and for the people.

  • @nicholasdangelo8174
    @nicholasdangelo8174 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow, this is an amazing vid sir. Absolutely stunning the results with the 545. 556 also very stout on the gel. 300blkout punching through the block was awesome and 308 did work on the block! Awesome content this was great thank you!

  • @tommygunn3260
    @tommygunn3260 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +248

    Video suggestion: if there’s a SHTF situation and you can ONLY grab 1 rifle & 1 pistol, what are they? And what’s your kit? I think lots of us wanna know!

    • @Zamotak
      @Zamotak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      A solid Gas Piston AR15 in 5.56 and a Glock 19. Ammo would be extremely common and replacement parts for both would be rather common as well.

    • @Tranitus3
      @Tranitus3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Want this video

    • @n0xxm3rcyxx
      @n0xxm3rcyxx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      its about that time.

    • @m0rbidhusky
      @m0rbidhusky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I’d run an AR-15 and a glock 26. Very common guns & ammunition, and the 26 can take a greater variety of magazines than something like a glock 17/19.

    • @MrLandslide84
      @MrLandslide84 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Something 5.56 (AR) and something 9mm for availability. Once you run out, you don't wanna have .224 valk/6mmARC or something else weird and have no gun if you are able to link up with someone.

  • @Rooobviously
    @Rooobviously 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +144

    Every time that I go to order gun parts I hear Michah saying “primary arms” in my head so that’s where I order things from now.

    • @frosty3693
      @frosty3693 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have two PA 1x6 FFP ACSS scopes for 7.62x39, quite versatile depending on what ranges you shoot. Thinking about their prizm site for my next build.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Doesn't hurt that they're a solid company that stands behind their products, either.

    • @DevDog67
      @DevDog67 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@frosty3693their micro prisms are way better than they have any right up be for $300. It's kind of insane.
      Plus the motion on/off is pretty sick.

    • @Dylan.More-Veiny
      @Dylan.More-Veiny 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m gonna stay clear of PA from now on tho. Have a slx 1-6 lpvo that won’t zero. Won’t even hit on the paper

    • @fmlymn1
      @fmlymn1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have 6 of their products and am happy with them for the price point

  • @CatTechSupport
    @CatTechSupport 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

    300 and 8.6 Blackout are the quietest options you have.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      big facts

    • @ItsBiscoitoIndeed
      @ItsBiscoitoIndeed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@GarandThumbscience has occured

    • @brandonrupp5880
      @brandonrupp5880 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I haven't heard that.

    • @nomad5454
      @nomad5454 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      True but from a practical point I'd only run 8.6 as a. Bolt setup trying too stock 1000+ rounds at that price for ar is crazy

    • @xxxlonewolf49
      @xxxlonewolf49 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Bayonet is the quietest caliber

  • @jakesalerno1932
    @jakesalerno1932 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Awesome video! Would have been interesting to see how a SBS 12 gauge would have compared the the various rifles.

  • @gagedellin6634
    @gagedellin6634 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Great video Garand, love the focus on combat performance and aspects instead of straight up ballistics and accuracy. Would love to hear opinion on the 6mm ARC, especially in a 14.5 inch barrel or shorter. There are videos of people shooting a 14.5 inch 6mm arc over a 1,000 yds, just not with a combat focus. I wanna know what someone with a military background thinks of the round and its capabilities. Keep up the great work man. God Bless!!

  • @Pienimusta
    @Pienimusta 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    If you have been struggling in your life with a short barrel, hit that subscribe button.

    • @Token_Black_Guy
      @Token_Black_Guy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Just get nore pumps in big bro

    • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
      @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      If you ever feel bad about your short barrel, just remember that in some cultures shorter barrels indicate superiority 😆

    • @RussXnimbusX
      @RussXnimbusX 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I may have a pencil barrel, but I can write War and Peace with it.

    • @dynasty2295
      @dynasty2295 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What if your barrel changes depending on how hot your rounds are? 🤔

    • @varuug
      @varuug 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dynasty2295 It's modular.

  • @lukeletkeman8835
    @lukeletkeman8835 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +416

    The accuracy issue on the AK wasn’t the ammo, it was the MRO😂

    • @Citybreakdancerman10
      @Citybreakdancerman10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      My thoughts exactly. I have that exact rifle with an MRO and it was my problem haha

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +180

      lol damn. Just my luck. Although not my fav its been solid for 6ish years

    • @K-bob_45
      @K-bob_45 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      You know AK’s are notorious for have bore to bullet size mismatch due to being made all over creation by every country ever right?

    • @morphius747
      @morphius747 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Had some guy tell me that too, .311 bore in Russian/Euro Ak's but we shoot .308 bullets from our Tula or Winchester (American)ammo @@K-bob_45

    • @investigativeoutcomes9343
      @investigativeoutcomes9343 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not in America. lol@@K-bob_45

  • @robertbernard651
    @robertbernard651 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a question I've been trying to get an answer for 15 years, excellent clip. Thanks 😊

  • @jamesdyson7126
    @jamesdyson7126 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent Dad Advice ! Thanks Mike and Micah ! Great video !

  • @Rolf97
    @Rolf97 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Everyone always asks, "Where is Charlie?", and not "How is Charlie?"

  • @cosmicbilly
    @cosmicbilly 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Garand thumb has been killing it with these uploads!
    This dude never fails.
    Keep it up bro, i love your channel so much.

  • @tiredoldman
    @tiredoldman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    .300 Blackout is probably one of the most effective round for an SBR. It was designed for that purpose. I’ve used various SBR’s during my time in the Corps and even own a few. The SBR is meant for close quarters and short ranges. I really appreciate the video though. It’s especially helpful for those who are new or have little experience with SBR’s. I watch your videos often, this is just one of the rare occasions I have something I think is useful to add.

    • @robertkaschner1655
      @robertkaschner1655 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've tried the 300 blackout and I'm just not sold on it being a great performer. .45 hollow points and 12 gauge buck are pretty hard to beat. That said, 300 blackout is always on the shelves and can share parts and cans so maybe it is worth building one again.

    • @mannamedbanjo
      @mannamedbanjo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The advantage is you can get supers, subs of so many different grain weights. It's a jack of all trades ammo.

    • @carsonhunt4642
      @carsonhunt4642 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lol. You mean it’s the most effective for subsonic? It quite literally has the same impact ballistics as using a .45 pistol. We all know pistols don’t drop ppl the same way rifles do.

    • @officecomputer8887
      @officecomputer8887 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmfaoooo you talk about your time in the corps but not about your time on red it?

  • @rgochina
    @rgochina 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Amazing video! And in the end, all things resume to 5.56 and good old .308. Nothing more is really necessary.

  • @BradMillsOK
    @BradMillsOK 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    That gel impact with 308…. Wow lots of energy

    • @alexwalker2582
      @alexwalker2582 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      3-0-Hate is a standard for a reason.

  • @B0SS5
    @B0SS5 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    12 inch 6.5 grendel is the best in my opinion you get that great accuracy at distance and crazy good knockdown power in a small ar-15 package

    • @GravelGuerrilla
      @GravelGuerrilla 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6.5G is good because of the wolf ammo being cheap. But, these rounds really excel with higher quality ammo and long barrels. I feel like it's a 5 cylinder engine, in a world with 6 cylinders and 4 cylinders and turbos and superchargers available. The advantages are there but, so damn subtle that you might as well reach the peak performance. And if you're there, just buy a 6 ARC or a 6 creedmore. You'll beat the 6.5G guy every time.

  • @JohnJones-op8uf
    @JohnJones-op8uf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the vids. Mike!

  • @AlreadyDeadInside83079
    @AlreadyDeadInside83079 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! I've been wanting to see an SBR comparison and effectiveness video for awhile. 🍺 🍺

  • @granttetterton4491
    @granttetterton4491 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    We need more of the becoming deadly series!!

  • @Nono-rh4lr
    @Nono-rh4lr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    Great rundown. I would have loved to see what the SuperSonics would do out of the rattler. I know subs are popular for quiet but the 300 black runs well with suppers

    • @mattjay6633
      @mattjay6633 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Same! My home defense rifle is a 9” .300 with a surefire 300sps. Yeah subs are fun for range plinking, and some of the aggressive HP/expanding rounds would be great for “sentry work” or just staying quiet….. but primarily I would be using 110gr supers. Suppressor still makes it relatively comfortable to the ear, but you also get the benefits of a rifle round in regards to ballistics and capable distance….

    • @TheDkb427
      @TheDkb427 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mattjay6633 not that I've done it but you could possibly download a 110gr vmax or even the Barnes tac-tx to still expand but really quite. Think that would be around 1800fps or something. Would limit further out but still better than subs to me anyways. Hell anything over 125 just pokes 30 cal holes.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If I want to go loud I'll just pick up a 5.56 with v-maxes.
      The blackout does subs quietly. I bought a can to be quiet. Supers are very not quiet through a can indoors. 😂
      It can be a versatile round. It's just that many have tried to make it do a bunch of things it just doesn't do well. It really does quiet subs well, so let it be great there and quit compromising.

    • @rickfinsta2951
      @rickfinsta2951 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@leftyeh6495 I disagree. 300blk out of an 8.1" barrel is nearly identical in external ballistics to a 7.62x39 in the AKM platform. Or you can think of it as a light 30-30 loading from a much shorter barrel. You get lower concussion when not suppressed, and suppressed with subs is quieter than a similar barrel length in 5.56x45. Also more barrier blind, etc. I never use subs in my 300 stuff it is a waste of good bullets LOL. 300blk is just about perfect for domestic (CONUS) law enforcement or self defense use. That said I'm not going to turn down a 11.5" 5.56 if it is handed to me, either.

    • @chopinbloc
      @chopinbloc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TheDkb427sorry, the 110gr VMAX stops expanding well above the speed of sound.

  • @cristianpatino2211
    @cristianpatino2211 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love ur channel man, please never stop and live forever, thank u

  • @eljefeamericano4308
    @eljefeamericano4308 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Great video. It's a shame the 7.62x39 rifle was being so fussy. I'm partial to that caliber in shorter barrel lengths.

    • @PNWhashmits
      @PNWhashmits 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      X39 from a 10.5" FTW

    • @twelvepercentitalian2511
      @twelvepercentitalian2511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wouldn’t be worried about it.

    • @Min4Mass
      @Min4Mass 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Its the 300 blackout we have at home.

  • @francisdotso8594
    @francisdotso8594 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Love the content, but would love to see more of the becoming deadly series come back

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      We are working on it

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@GarandThumb I know it doesn't get as many views as some other content, but the information is invaluable, and that makes it evergreen content in a big way. Thanks for everything you and your team do for gun culture.

    • @PoliticallyInsensitive
      @PoliticallyInsensitive 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​​@@theKashConnoisseurI read a bunch of comments like this last week and I'm still calling bullshit.
      Even the lowest view count was over a million iirc.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@PoliticallyInsensitive well, the commentary that the "becoming deadly" series didn't perform as well is based on GT's own comments he's made in podcast interviews. Views are great, but they don't always equate to financial success. And a million views might be a lot for one channel, but disappointing performance for another. It's not a dig on the content by any means, I find it highly valuable. But unfortunately being prepared is still a bit fringe even within the 2A space.

    • @deand5602
      @deand5602 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GarandThumb mega based, thank you mr. Thumb

  • @wasdawasda3849
    @wasdawasda3849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Would have loved to see .300 supersonics as well since that's the thing about being able to switch with a magazine change

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      yessir next video for sure

  • @ed1968man
    @ed1968man 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just picked up the Primary Arms SLx 1X Gemini for my PCC. VERY HAPPY!!!

  • @bmyvettjr
    @bmyvettjr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    keep up the good work GRAND!!!

  • @nickadkins7765
    @nickadkins7765 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    Definitely would have liked to see a 110gr barnes tac tx round out of an 8 inch +/- barrel on the 300 black out for comparison! I'm sure the ballistics, effective range, and certainly the weight would have changed significantly.

    • @Rotakor
      @Rotakor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I agree with this 100%. I would also of liked the 10.5 inch barrel.

    • @bona-fide-mtm
      @bona-fide-mtm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Agreed, 300BLK is a true dual purpose caliber, having similar performance to 762x39 when using supers, yet being the only option for subs

    • @goawaybaizuo
      @goawaybaizuo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Definitely agree with the 8" barrel. I think thats way more common than a 5.5.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      10" barrel is supposed to be the best velocity wise as powder should be burned by 9-10" for sub loads.
      If you're shooting supers you may as well have a 16-18" barrel and get the velocity.

  • @mitchellstiles3260
    @mitchellstiles3260 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    “But I know you poor fuckers are probably firing the cheap ammo.”
    He knows his followers😂

  • @jacobkean03
    @jacobkean03 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    The 5.56 never ceases to surprise me with its combat effectiveness but now that I got myself an ol lady and two daughters I’ve swapped to the .300 blackout for home defense considering the most common threats I have are the desperate tweakers and coyotes going after the livestock. The concrete test kind of changes my thoughts on the penetrating power of the 5.56 compared to the .300 blackout.

    • @jeb6361
      @jeb6361 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where do you have steel in your house?@@michaelpratt3142

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      shielding on spacecraft is meant to stop 10 km/s bullets of meteorites. Mass still matters. @@michaelpratt3142

    • @jonah8133
      @jonah8133 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@michaelpratt3142 Yeahp, I've seen tests where certain barriers are hardly dented by 300 blackout whereas 556 had some serious penetration

    • @dababcock9
      @dababcock9 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      With home defense as the primary intent, being able to shoot through barriers and still have good performance is not always considered a good thing. Usually, with home defense, the object is to have something that's effective enough to quickly incapacitate the attacker(s), while not having a tendency to over-penetrate, so as to hopefully not be a threat to the neighbors. You also need to positively identify the bad guy before you pull the trigger. Generally, legally speaking, the last thing that you need to be worried about is shooting through walls to get the bad guy(s). That's gotten a good number of people in serious trouble when what they thought was the bad guy... wasn't.
      I know that 5.56 (depending on barrel length and bullet selection) often tends to start to upset when it hits the first layer of drywall. It's still effective at getting the "bad guy", but an errant shot is less likely to go through multiple walls, unlike the 9mm (which is one of the major reasons why most SWAT teams have switched from the MP5 to the AR platform in 5.56). So far, I haven't seen similar tests on how different .300 blackout bullets perform in that kind of environment.... but I'm very interested in seeing any such tests.

    • @jeb6361
      @jeb6361 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@jonah8133 Where do you have steel in your house? Why are you interested in penetrating steel?

  • @F3d3xdad
    @F3d3xdad 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep up the great work!

  • @josiahb55
    @josiahb55 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Nice. Would love to see some old school optics reviews back. Like the primary arms PLxC 1-8 yall have been talking about.

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He said in a prior video he won’t be reviewing any primary arms optics because they are channel sponsors

  • @alexc414
    @alexc414 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I will admit, when it said "AD in 3, 2, 1" I was waiting for an accidental discharge...

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      LMAOOO

  • @johnmorganjr769
    @johnmorganjr769 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you GT !!! Much needed !! 🇺🇸 💥

  • @lemon8513
    @lemon8513 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you sir for bring the FAL to the test and to mention South America, we do love your content!

    • @lemon8513
      @lemon8513 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🇧🇷

  • @rustyshackelford3781
    @rustyshackelford3781 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Love the comparisons and the different tests. I do tend to run cheaper ammo for training except for my Mk18, I only run issued amo which for training is the Hornady sbr 75gr bthp, or hornady 75gr tap.

  • @user-ns6le3sm6j
    @user-ns6le3sm6j 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    10.5 inch with 5.56 is accurate and comfortable, and designed for urban warfare 👍

  • @alexanderhaile6196
    @alexanderhaile6196 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Loving the SBR test data. Some video ideas...
    I'd like to see a video testing different kinds of 5.56x45mm (M193, M855, Mk262) through various short barrels, both against ballistic gel and common barriers (cinderblocks, wood, etc.) for CQB purposes.
    Then a test of M855 through different barrel lengths against Lv3 armor. Obviously M855 should defeat Lv3 armor, but through the shorter barrels the velocity would be decreased. I'm wondering how short the barrel can be before your use of M855 becomes irrelevant against Lv3 armor.

    • @AldoSchmedack
      @AldoSchmedack 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too on vest!

  • @rhandley1000
    @rhandley1000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I highly recommend the FAL OSW. Awesome rifle

  • @atlanticancameos5131
    @atlanticancameos5131 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    17:25 Pretty sure I ran with more than 7 rounds back in Afghan. Love the videos mate.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      hahaa meant to say mags

    • @atlanticancameos5131
      @atlanticancameos5131 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GarandThumb😂 All love man, keep up the good work

    • @pulldeauxduck2480
      @pulldeauxduck2480 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for squirting all over the place , 🦆

  • @pops55650
    @pops55650 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I love the .300 Blackout but it’s nice to see how it stacks up and what to expect, and not overhype its capabilities. All this raw data is pretty amazing,

    • @somethingposerish5807
      @somethingposerish5807 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      This isn't a fair comparison. Should have used 150gr supers. Would have done way better in all tests
      Edit: also 8.5 or 9 inch barrel, not 5.5. They literally used the gimpest 300blk possible

    • @michaelchristian8084
      @michaelchristian8084 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@somethingposerish5807I agree on the caliber grain. He said they were going with 55gr cause it’s the cheapest and most used and then goes with 220gr for 300blk which is not cheapest and most used. The 150 would have performed much better at the distance shooting and gel.

    • @gVert404
      @gVert404 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@somethingposerish5807tbf the main purpose of 300blk is to be subsonic for suppression

    • @painmt651
      @painmt651 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would rather have a 7.62x39, and just reload rounds for specific performance that is not obtainable from cheap factory ammunition. 300blk is too expensive.

    • @twelvepercentitalian2511
      @twelvepercentitalian2511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      5.5 inch barrel for 300 blackbout is too short. 9.5 inch-10.5 is the sweet spot.

  • @CarnivoreDog
    @CarnivoreDog 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These are the types of comparisons I enjoy the most.

  • @CatMask556
    @CatMask556 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video, man. Any idea when the next Becoming Deadly in the Mountains video is coming out?

  • @mitchculpepper738
    @mitchculpepper738 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Being a 6.5 Grendel fan, I’m curious what it would do out of 11.5” barrel. With muzzle velocities of 2300+ fps with 120 gr. bullet and 2500+ fps with 90 gr. Varmint nightmare, it seems this would excel in your test.

  • @Sassquootchen
    @Sassquootchen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Gotta love that GT videos are always ready to go right when church is done.

  • @columbiawarmachine9795
    @columbiawarmachine9795 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my colt 11 inch barrel sbr

  • @lukel4783
    @lukel4783 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this channel so much.

  • @curtrobinsongarage5452
    @curtrobinsongarage5452 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Keep up the great content. Your one of my favorite channels. Thanks for the pewtainment.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I appreciate that!

  • @josholdham1033
    @josholdham1033 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Cool video, but I would love to see a comparison video like this just for 300 BO. Different barrel lengths, subs and supers etc.

    • @95dodgev10
      @95dodgev10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A couple vidoes ago he did compare sub vs supersonic through a suppressor and the travel time of the round at longer ranges. At long range when they filmed from basically over the shoulder you could actually see the subsonic flying through the air.

  • @grizzlyadamsmtb3012
    @grizzlyadamsmtb3012 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I built a .300 blackout with a 10.5 inch barrel shooting 220 subsonic. So much fun I love it. Can’t wait to get a suppressor for it.

    • @GUNNER67akaKelt
      @GUNNER67akaKelt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, .300 BO would be my thought. The cartridge was designed for short barrels. Not sure why the comparison was with subsonics and not hypersonics. If you want to compare subsonics, they should all be subsonics. Hey, the .300 doesn't do as good as the rest. Wow, who saw that coming, right? Next comparison: why they the 9mm doesn't measure up to the .308.

    • @XxxSIGMA_SUPERIORxxX
      @XxxSIGMA_SUPERIORxxX 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      300 BO deserves to be suppressed.

  • @TrailBum
    @TrailBum 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Odd. My 220gr 300BLK hand-loads tumble so quickly, and they almost snap in two. I haven't shot into gel, but I shot into rotted timber dust. They might sometimes break in two, but usually bend at 30-90 degrees. I can only imagine the wound-cavity they would produce.
    Very fun video!

  • @carterlarson5130
    @carterlarson5130 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Billll drill is so essential in learning to control your firearm.

  • @user-yc8tj6iy1j
    @user-yc8tj6iy1j 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    308. Is the Lord's caliber. Love the vids man.

  • @NWFishingSecrets
    @NWFishingSecrets 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gotta love the suppressed IR laser in the thumbnail 🤣 👌🏼

  • @WhistlinBullet
    @WhistlinBullet 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video!!!

  • @luckyomen
    @luckyomen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    6.5 Grendel is surprisingly great out of 12 inches.

    • @weinerdog137
      @weinerdog137 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not surprised

    • @jessesimmons4503
      @jessesimmons4503 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6.5mm Grendel is what i would choose. especially in a Draco.

    • @luckyomen
      @luckyomen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's limit in a short barrel is very much 12inches. anything shorter is too slow for the properties of the bullet design to be effective. otherwise, it performs really well out to 350 yds@@jessesimmons4503

    • @adamg574
      @adamg574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      6.5 grendel is heavily slept on. Love that round.

  • @evanwells6284
    @evanwells6284 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Personally, I would pick supersonic 300 blk. Maybe a 110 or 125gr bullet. I think it wouldn't have any issues with lethality or short range drop, and it could probably get 90% of 16" barrel velocity out of the 5.5. but it would be loud.

  • @cpgeorge2518
    @cpgeorge2518 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely a great video

  • @davidreem7716
    @davidreem7716 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great dad advice on many levels

  • @evans9748
    @evans9748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Idk, still using the 300blk subs during the 300 yard shots kinda defeats the whole point of 300blk, it would have been more realistic to have switched mags to supers, which is exactly how it was designed to be used.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      this is fair - hindsight is def 20/20 after we make videos

    • @jayjohnson3732
      @jayjohnson3732 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I would add that using a 10” blackout would have been better. With that Barrel length the supers are as fast as 7.62x39, carry much more energy than 5.56 at 300 meters, and would be even quieter with subsonic ammo than the Rattler. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the Rattler, but it’s not the most versatile blackout platform.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      we went off of heavily used mil rifles

    • @evans9748
      @evans9748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@GarandThumb exactly. no one is running around with a 10” barrel, plus the Rattler still uses the 1/5 twist you won’t get on a 10” anyways.

    • @frosty3693
      @frosty3693 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am guessing the rifle is setup for subsonic and going to supers would require a gas ssytem and sight zero change. Would have liked to seen it too.

  • @161monkey
    @161monkey 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Welcome back Micah! So happy for you and your growing family!

    • @alwarberigai5955
      @alwarberigai5955 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like how Mike casually threatened to fire Micah as a joke.. could have been real if he wanted it to…😮

    • @161monkey
      @161monkey 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, I think Mikes loyal. Also, totally on brand for these two. #Bussin

  • @hossep2695
    @hossep2695 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ever since Ian did a video on the HK 56, I've been wanting a Favella Fireball for my own collection.

  • @rascalmatt6713
    @rascalmatt6713 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Without watching the video yet... the "Old School" of thought was that a 12.5" Grendel upper was shooting super sonic out to 800-850 yards. Decent weighted round as well so that would probably be my best all around shorty set up. without putting a whole lot of thought into it or research for that matter.... or at least no recent research for about 2-3 years now.

  • @jameslyddall
    @jameslyddall 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Absolutely cracking video from you guys, have never fired anything more then a .22 round being from UK I would love to do some outdoor shooting/fitness sessions at some point in the states. Looking at booking some time off next year to see what courses are available.

    • @bass779
      @bass779 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hope you can make it!

    • @FL-Kman
      @FL-Kman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hell yeah bruv! Come across the pond!

    • @musicman1eanda
      @musicman1eanda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're a gun loving UK subject, please feel free to come over here to the US to become a citizen and switch places with one of our communist anti gun leftists 😊

    • @charleseatherton7396
      @charleseatherton7396 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You should move and stay here in the USA.

    • @jameslyddall
      @jameslyddall 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@charleseatherton7396 I would love to, work in central London live in a nice place but commute an hour plus. Dealing with international clients all day, to be honest I’d love to get a place in Arizona. Love that part of the country. Being from the UK I’d find the place Mike shoots from to cold I’d chose somewhere warm like AZ.

  • @channel-rv4hz
    @channel-rv4hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    proud of you

  • @BigDub78
    @BigDub78 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cant wait to see you review the 8.6 and maybe with Q's boombox it would go well with this video

  • @heatheruntz5315
    @heatheruntz5315 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I recently had to sell my shorty 308 galil with an 11.8in barrel. I came upon hard times and it was the least practical of all my guns so it had to go. I still have my 16 308 galil ace though so that is another reason I picked it to sell. The furthest out I shot the shorty 308 was 400 yards. 556 is probably my favorite shorty round but 308 is the most effective imo

    • @alexanderp8037
      @alexanderp8037 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Check "jaegar micro galil ace"

    • @heatheruntz5315
      @heatheruntz5315 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexanderp8037 hell yeah dude that thing is sweet! When my financial situation is better I am going to get one of those or a mk18

  • @garrettboone4306
    @garrettboone4306 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I can pretty confidently tell you the accuracy issue with the x39 is your MRO. I had 3 different ones (broke one). The parallax is unbelievably bad

    • @GuacIsExtra99
      @GuacIsExtra99 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well rhat saves me some money I was wanting to drop on one lol

    • @Aonghuis
      @Aonghuis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hé is getting a good consistent cheek weld, I doubt any parallax crept in as his pupil is properly in line with the dot.

    • @garrettboone4306
      @garrettboone4306 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GuacIsExtra99 supposedly the HD fixed the parallax. However, I had such a bad experience I had no interest in ever trying it. Also horrific with NV

    • @garrettboone4306
      @garrettboone4306 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Aonghuis just my mileage. I tried using it at a carbine class where we printed groups at 50yd increments from 50yds out to 400yds just to get data on the rifle. I’m not the best shooter by far, but I can hold my own. I was obviously trying my best, but was meeting unusable results. The instructor (veilsolutions) reminded me that a local swat team had such the same experience that they dumped all of theirs. I bought aimpoint right after and never had a like experience ever again. The MRO was the only variable I changed. Again, just my experience, but I’ve heard it echoed plenty

    • @Aonghuis
      @Aonghuis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@garrettboone4306 , I hear you. My XP with the MRO is limited to one. I only got to take it out to 200, but mine seemed alright. That being said a lot of folks have noticed parallax with the older versions of those. Try the compM4, or the Aimpoint PRO.

  • @eddiexoc8430
    @eddiexoc8430 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great info

  • @TrevorKrebsbach-hc1zh
    @TrevorKrebsbach-hc1zh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the demo! I started a small woodworking business a couple years ago and I've been using orbitals for most of my sanding for doors and veneers. I'd like a drum sander to save time on projects and appreciate the info you have on your channel. Are there any other tools that you would recommend that helped you save time on your projects?

  • @eindride1268
    @eindride1268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I really hope Garand Thumb comes around to reviewing the best Ar15 in the S-tier category. Between Noveske, Lmt, Larue, Radian, DD, Kac, HK, and a couple others, it's so hard to get solid unbiased answers as to which company offers the best, and which offer superficial prices for what you get out of them. I'd love to see a test between all 16 inch 5.56 models, and possibly test the popular variants that don't fit that (like the Mk18) just to see which offers the most. Obviously they're all proficient enough, but it'd be cool to find the king of op-tier Ar's

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      16”!? Most people buying Gucci grade rifles are likely mounting a can and don’t want to end up with a 20” + platform.

    • @eindride1268
      @eindride1268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @joek5352 Well genius, it's a good thing the test is to compare between companies to see who makes the best rifles, and not a test to see what everyone is wanting specifically. I don't give a fuck what people are using it for, the point of comparitive tests is to compare positives and negatives, and if you don't use the same dependent factors (barrel length) to test with, you're gonna get inconsistent results. I did mention to add popular variants that don't fit that bill, but that's because they're highly regarded

    • @zombieslayer7759
      @zombieslayer7759 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Of all the highest tier AR-15's, the rifles from Blackout Defense are probably the best of them all to be honest and they aren't even the most expensive of the highest tier rifles (they're a little over 2 grand).

    • @eindride1268
      @eindride1268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @zombieslayer7759 First time I've heard of them compared with S tier rifles, so ima doubt that

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@eindride1268 Everyone watch out. This guy knows everything. And will sarcastically call you a genius if he doesn’t agree with you.

  • @Mandalore6311
    @Mandalore6311 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Loved the video. Fully admitting I am a .300 BLK fanboy, I feel the cartridge may have been done a disservice. In addition to being optimized for "short" barrels, one of the primary selling points is the wide range of bullet selection compared to other cartridges. Seeing the performance of supers in this video would have been nice. You maintain the advantages mentioned like excellent suppression at the muzzle, as well as low flash signature. That being said, it was a nice surprise seeing how it performed against the cinder block.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You may as well have a 308 for anything but subs.
      The 300 is great for factory ammo selection in subs and supers.
      308 is worth the jump to ar-10 if you're just shooting supers though.
      Suppressors and flash hiders are for noise or flash suppression. A bare barrel you're not going to know the difference.

    • @somethingposerish5807
      @somethingposerish5807 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@leftyeh6495 nah, 300 is dope, 13grs of powder vs 45+, not to mention most of that 45+ is wasted. Also ease of brass collecting. I get so much 300blk brass from all the 556 guys who don't reload 😂
      Edit: saw you mention jump to AR 10, to clarify, that defeats the purpose of cqb

    • @Mandalore6311
      @Mandalore6311 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@leftyeh6495 thanks for explaining suppressors and flash hiders to me? 300 BLK should be run suppressed, nobody mentioned bare muzzles.

    • @Mandalore6311
      @Mandalore6311 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@somethingposerish5807 not to mention the exact points from the video, .308 guns are heavier and the ammo is heavier.

    • @bower31
      @bower31 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@leftyeh6495 Yeah definitely not the weight and size of 308 is not always a worth while trade off. 300 supers preform really quite good, and you can carry a lot more of them.

  • @pushmotivation-__asher1335
    @pushmotivation-__asher1335 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can’t believe how great these videos are, hilarious with just the right amount of inappropriate humor

  • @TheWarriorsMind
    @TheWarriorsMind 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like the 6.8 spc for my short barrel. It was built for it. But, for pure power, I like my 450 bushmaster for subsonic hunting. Over 800 fpe out to 135 yds.

  • @Teh_R4v3n
    @Teh_R4v3n 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Wish there was 6.8 spc II, I always heard it was amazing in all lengths

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah too bad that round dropped off and failed adoption

    • @justinfrost6934
      @justinfrost6934 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      12” barrel 6.8 spc is a hammer. It gets another 100-150 fps over 6.5 Grendel for equal bullet weights

  • @txhookey5608
    @txhookey5608 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Winter usually means bumping up calibers, especially with shorter barrels. Would be interesting to see the same ballistic gel performance through several layers of cold weather gear.

    • @walthermodel01
      @walthermodel01 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great fukcin idea

    • @hunterfishman7119
      @hunterfishman7119 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      MEME: WHEN THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENT SECTION ARE SMARTER THAN THE GUN TUBER THAT IS ONLY INTERESTED IN LIKES, VIEWS & SUBS!!!
      NICELY DONE GOOD SIR!
      IF ONLY WE HAD FULL ACCESS TO THE EQUIPMENT HE HAS, WE WOULD PUT THESE IGNANT FOOLS TO SHAME WITH OUR ACTUALLY ACCURATE INFO & TESTING!

    • @teampyle9835
      @teampyle9835 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      With rifle cartridges the clothing makes almost no difference. There's lots of videos that show ballistics gel with clothing and there isn't any noticeable loss in performance.

    • @PD-we8vf
      @PD-we8vf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That channel is tan by Paul Harrell.

    • @teampyle9835
      @teampyle9835 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PD-we8vf yes thank you

  • @ratsniperslugs
    @ratsniperslugs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my Maxim PDX SBR in 5.56 - getting 1960 fps with M855. I’m running a CGS Helios QD with the vented muzzle cap and it’s not gassey at all. I love my shorties!!! It is pushing 530 ft lbs at the muzzle and 400 ft lbs @ 75 yards (same as a 40 S&W at the muzzle) so for 100 yards and in it’s perfect. The M855 @ 1960 fps MV is still traveling 1044 fps @ 500 yards which will still penetrate level 3A soft armor. A short AR is very useful in the correct application.

  • @danielescobar7618
    @danielescobar7618 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can explain it in an easy to visualize concept. Powder needs to be under pressure to burn. Once the bullet leaves the barrel, pressure drops and unburt powder flys out or gums up your gas port etc. So with a shorter barrel, there is less time with 5.56. 7.62 blackout or even 458 has a wider bore, so there is more volume in the shorter space (and in the case of 300blk) less powder. It doesn't have as much time to burn but it has more space to do it. This is leaving a lot out like different powders having different rates, but it's why a wider cal is better for performance in a shorter barrel

  • @octaviusnorvelantis8934
    @octaviusnorvelantis8934 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m going to die before the “Becoming Deadly” series is finished

  • @Robespierres_Ghost
    @Robespierres_Ghost 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    300 blackout then 762x39. They are much less sensitive to barrel loss compared to 556 and 545.

    • @Mike_858
      @Mike_858 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hardly matters when you are using 69 and 77 grain BTHP, those fragment and expand at velocities as low as 1800 fp/s making 10'' .223 AR's very useful.

    • @user-qo3yy9nv1u
      @user-qo3yy9nv1u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Paying 3x for .300 over 7.62 sounds fun.

    • @Ntmoffi
      @Ntmoffi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'll take cheap 30 cal over everything else.

    • @johnmarkfeiger-no5ri
      @johnmarkfeiger-no5ri 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Personally for short barrels I'd go with 7.62x39. It packs quite a lot of energy and is a more ubiquitous round than 300 blk

    • @hexdontae
      @hexdontae 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mike_858holy shit cope harder 🤣

  • @ruger1405
    @ruger1405 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    love that osw fal

  • @Stuie444
    @Stuie444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to see y'all get a hold of some specialized .300 rounds like the Underwood Monolithic that are designed for sub performance. I've dropped many deer in their tracks with pretty impressive wound channels. Those 220 Sierra's are known to pinhole through just about anything. Great tests though!

  • @hamhocks
    @hamhocks 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You should do this same video but with other popular calibers like 6.5 grendel, 6.8 SPC, and the 6 ARC.

  • @shelbygto2
    @shelbygto2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You need to try 6.5 grendel vs 6mm arc. 6mm arc may perform better than all!

  • @Brayhz99
    @Brayhz99 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you ❤

  • @262fire3
    @262fire3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you I fit well with my musket.

  • @ryanandbrookemontgomery5397
    @ryanandbrookemontgomery5397 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Would be nice to add 300 blk supers in there as well

  • @mhicaoidh1
    @mhicaoidh1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd suspect the optic mount on that 7.62x39. I've shot a lot of Russian x39 and never experienced shot deviation like that at 300 yards.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      same - that was our thought as well. Super bizzare

    • @mhicaoidh1
      @mhicaoidh1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@GarandThumb Just remembered another thing ... there's an outside chance it's the booster on the muzzle too. Had one years ago throwing shots low left and low right. But, that was consistent and somewhat predictable. Took it off ... straight as an arrow.

  • @armeddiver
    @armeddiver 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for making the video. It was really interesting; however, there are few things I would like to comment on.
    Someday I would like to train on an actual AK style weapon, just to know how it works, feels, etc. As the most prolific weapon system in the world, knowing how to operate it would be good knowledge to have, but I don't think I will ever own one.
    I can't imagine ever getting behind an 11.5" .308. The muzzle flash in the day light was astonishing. I can only imagine how horrific that muzzle flash must be in the dark. This was the 1st time that I have ever seen a .308 with a barrel shorter than 16".
    SBRs to me are a short range (300 meters or less) CQB weapon, with that in mind, I think 300BLK is the best option. For me 300 BLK provides the most flexibility in a short range CQB weapon. If I really need to suppress it, a 220gr is super quiet and if I need stretch it out to 300 yds I can run 110 or 125 gr rounds and get really good hits on target, but I have to confess to my bias. I am a super 300BLK fan boy (actually fan old man).

  • @mrad69
    @mrad69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t stop thinking about, Rome!

  • @kotatactical2936
    @kotatactical2936 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I really want to see you run the POF revolution piston driven 12.5in 308! I'd love to see how it holds up to your abuse!

    • @Featherless1
      @Featherless1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it'd be the other way around...
      You'd see how he holds up to its abuse. 😂

    • @financialwellnesswithantho6651
      @financialwellnesswithantho6651 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I second this. Would love to see some POF rifles in general on here

    • @kotatactical2936
      @kotatactical2936 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would gladly send him mine!

    • @Featherless1
      @Featherless1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really want to see him test his skills with corn syrup on his hands...