What is the Best Caliber for your SBR?

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  • @onepathofreason1
    @onepathofreason1 ปีที่แล้ว +3363

    This is really awesome that you are using a new block for each round. Thank you for incurring the expense to bring us this much education and entertainment (edutainment).

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +753

      we do our best!

    • @michaelstanton8363
      @michaelstanton8363 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@GarandThumb use 125 grain for the rattler at range

    • @richardmueller7023
      @richardmueller7023 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thanks GT and crew! You guys really do make my Sunday mornings, to the point where I look forward to your videos. Stay awesome guys!

    • @frozennorth6527
      @frozennorth6527 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@michaelstanton8363 110-125gr can do 500 pretty decent. Most people get it for for subsonic capability though, a lot of people sleep on the supers though. 10.5 seems to be absolute witchcraft for mine.

    • @matthewmason831
      @matthewmason831 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah that was amazing, it’s so much easier on the viewers so see the performance. Must be very expensive.

  • @MigratoryWhimbrel
    @MigratoryWhimbrel ปีที่แล้ว +1223

    For those of us trying to keep track of which guns are being used:
    Mark 18 -- 10.3 inch barrel, 5.56 mm
    Quickhatch -- 8.1 inch barrel, 5.45 mm
    SIG Rattler -- 5.5 inch barrel, 300 blk
    Arsenal _SAM7K_ -SLR- -- 8.3 inch barrel, 7.62 mm
    FAL OSW -- 11 inch barrel, .308

    • @nicholascecil6733
      @nicholascecil6733 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      About 10 minutes in, he said something about the O2 self igniting in the wound channel? Can someone please explain or help me understand?

    • @guillainbarre1
      @guillainbarre1 ปีที่แล้ว

      search for diesel effect @@nicholascecil6733

    • @Sophisticlesenergy
      @Sophisticlesenergy ปีที่แล้ว +72

      ​@nicholascecil6733 so when a round enters a body cavity at extremely high speeds it forces the flesh to expand due to gasses spiraling the round and Hydro-Kinetic displacement. That's a principle of energy transfer involving fluid. When the temporary wound cavity is created the fluid then rushes in to close the vacuum created. Compression of oxygen within a vacuum causes ignition.

    • @BadHaddy
      @BadHaddy ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@nicholascecil6733 He's probably referring to one of the many theories about the light emissions of ballistic gel when impacted by a projectile. It is GENERALLY believed to be a Sonoluminescence event, others believe is is some sort of dieseling of a fuel source in the gel itself. It's been generally studied, and is easily observed, but not rigorously investigated and published in a peer reviewed journal to the point of reaching consensus. It is not observed in organic ballistics gel (gelatin.)

    • @Sophisticlesenergy
      @Sophisticlesenergy ปีที่แล้ว +37

      My issue here is that i think they went very short on the 300 blk barrel, I would have liked to see at least a 9 inch barrel tested. Preferably a 10.5 but to my knowledge 5 is not the most common 300blk barrel length.
      Would just love to see 5.56 and 300 blk tested at the same 10.5 barrel length, bet the 300 blk stomps it.

  • @joek5352
    @joek5352 ปีที่แล้ว +715

    Would really like to see the 300 black tested with supersonic ammo. Using subs in one caliber and supers in the rest is not an apples to apples comparison.

    • @nostaw100
      @nostaw100 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      I agree and he used a 5 inch barrel thats a nudered round at 5 inches its widely agreed 8 inch is the shortest you should go for 300 and most people like myself use 10 inch for 300 and 12 - 14 for 5.56 you get the optimal ballistics to length ratio from the calibers that way

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@nostaw100Totally agree. In theory, the can should add some additional velocity, but not enough to make up for the ridiculously short barrel length.

    • @omegaalpha2974
      @omegaalpha2974 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      300 blackout & possibly 8.6 are it( assuming that you use supers for long range ).

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Supersonic blk defeats the purpose of the round imo. The round was made for maximum signature reduction. Supersonic does not facilitate that purpose.

    • @SlavaUkraini1114
      @SlavaUkraini1114 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@smokingcrab2290 it's an option, but what makes 300 blk so good is that it's multipurpose, you can use subs for quiet shooting, but you can also switch to supers with nothing more than a reload.

  • @matthewmason831
    @matthewmason831 ปีที่แล้ว +388

    Damn, .300 blackout should’ve had supersonic options tested too. Great video!

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +194

      next time for sure!

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac ปีที่แล้ว +32

      300blk is really designed for subs. It makes more sense to run a mk18 then 300blk imo when we are talking full power rounds

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou ปีที่แล้ว +57

      ​@CiviTac dunno.
      Some of the results with a higher speed 300 blk would probably outpace the 5.56 with such a short barrel due to powder burn and you push the energy way up vs the 200 grain subs

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@WayStedYou with the weight differences and the lethality of both being comparable at full power id take 556 every time for a “combat loadout” with an sbr. No hate against the 300blk but I’ve never met someone who buys that caliber for their main squeeze. It’s always a niche gun like for gooning and home defense.

    • @prelude2tube
      @prelude2tube ปีที่แล้ว +42

      ​@@CiviTacif you're looking for big damage out of a short barrel, 300blk supers (especially in a soft-target / hunting round) are not to be underestimated. AAC's Sabre black tips are devastating from a short barrel, and (like for like, surpressed or not) are still meaningfully quieter than the mk18.

  • @tiredoldman
    @tiredoldman ปีที่แล้ว +135

    .300 Blackout is probably one of the most effective round for an SBR. It was designed for that purpose. I’ve used various SBR’s during my time in the Corps and even own a few. The SBR is meant for close quarters and short ranges. I really appreciate the video though. It’s especially helpful for those who are new or have little experience with SBR’s. I watch your videos often, this is just one of the rare occasions I have something I think is useful to add.

    • @robertkaschner1655
      @robertkaschner1655 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've tried the 300 blackout and I'm just not sold on it being a great performer. .45 hollow points and 12 gauge buck are pretty hard to beat. That said, 300 blackout is always on the shelves and can share parts and cans so maybe it is worth building one again.

    • @mannamedbanjo
      @mannamedbanjo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The advantage is you can get supers, subs of so many different grain weights. It's a jack of all trades ammo.

    • @carsonhunt4642
      @carsonhunt4642 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol. You mean it’s the most effective for subsonic? It quite literally has the same impact ballistics as using a .45 pistol. We all know pistols don’t drop ppl the same way rifles do.

    • @officecomputer8887
      @officecomputer8887 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmfaoooo you talk about your time in the corps but not about your time on red it?

    • @TheCelestialWolf
      @TheCelestialWolf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carsonhunt4642 Subs are for use with cans and replace PCCs. If you want full performance, Supers are terminally superior to 5.56 within 300 yards depending on bullet and load used. The fun part is that you can go from PCC quiet to a real rifle power with just a mag swap. I probably wouldn't run supers from a 5.5 inch barrel though. If you want a do it all 300BLK, use a 9" or 10.5". If you want a PCC, but better, use a 7.5" or shorter barrel. If you want to use mostly supers, run a 16". 300BLK keeps gaining velocity even with longer barrels. It is for sure the best SBR cartridge for anything you would use an SBR for. If you need more range, use a 6ARC or 6.5 Grendal. More boom? Use a 450Bushmaster or 458Socom. You want cheap ammo? Use a 5.56. At this point, there are so many better options out there that the only reason to still run a 5.56 is if you already have the guns and ammo or if you just can't afford anything else.

  • @THEchefdoggy
    @THEchefdoggy ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "You poor fuckers" - The most relatable comment GT has ever made. Thank you for always being a man of the people, by the people, and for the people.

  • @tomi6261
    @tomi6261 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Team 300 Black here. Being able to instantly switch from crazy quiet subs to very respectable supers, without having to change a thing on my gun, makes it the most versatile for me. Caveat - I hardly ever shoot past 300-350 yards.

    • @DaveSmith-cp5kj
      @DaveSmith-cp5kj ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Even if you shoot out to 800m you are good. Travis Haley a decade ago did a video of him shooting that far with an aimpoint which is wild. With a LPVO it is well within your capability no problem.

    • @Captain_Coleslaw
      @Captain_Coleslaw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      300blk is essentially a 308 round i think? So with the correct power behind it, its the same as a SBR 308?

    • @cody180sx
      @cody180sx ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @Captain_Coleslaw 300 Blackout/7.62x35 is a .308 bullet in A .223 case, not as much powder behind means not as much ass behind it as a .308

    • @tomi6261
      @tomi6261 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Captain_Coleslaw Excellent point, that I unfortunately can not confirm. I do not know the true ballistics of the 308 in an SBR. The barrel length would of course have everything to do with the results. I can tell you that out of my 6.75" barrel, my handloads are accurately running: 220gr Berrys subs at 1025 fps, calculated at 513 ft lbs at the muzzle. And my 125gr Speer supers are running 2000fps which results in 1110 ft lbs. And 110gr Hornadys at 2150 fps, which comes to 1129 ft lbs. You can compare these to whatever numbers you find from a 308 SBR. But, the physical size and weight difference of the weapon and ammo still makes the 300 BO a crazy good choice for me UNLESS you are shooting very long ranges.

    • @tomi6261
      @tomi6261 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@cody180sx You are probably correct in the category of supersonic full power loads. But if shooting subs, a 220gr 300 BO will outperform the 308 in any and every recipe simply because you can not safely load a 220gr bullet in a 308 case due to pressures. For supers, a short barrel (like 6"-8") will neuter the ever loving hell out of a full power 308 round so it may be closer than you think though. Plus, the recoil, report and blast of the 308 will be pure hell. "If you shoot this at night and you will die" Lol.

  • @MrBossuporbowout
    @MrBossuporbowout ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This was one of the most subtly funny yet informative videos I've seen. Great job guys

  • @TheTopGun920
    @TheTopGun920 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    300 Blackout is my preferred round for SBR, but man 308 is such a beast.

    • @timewave02012
      @timewave02012 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Supersonic, though. Subsonic is neat if you need to be extra sneaky, but for most applications, especially self defense, supers win.

    • @user-yt5uw4kh5u
      @user-yt5uw4kh5u ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@timewave02012 agreed

    • @EarthAltar
      @EarthAltar ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Check out the IWI Tavor bullpup in .308. 16.5" barrel with an overall length of about 29". There you'll get almost full velocity out of the round in a similar sized package as an SBR. Around two grand.

    • @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595
      @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@timewave02012Depends on context. Supersonics are awesome no doubt, but sometimes you don’t want everyone in a 2-3 block radius knowing you just discharged a firearm.

    • @Infidel5723
      @Infidel5723 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I have a 10.3 in 308 🙃

  • @B0SS5
    @B0SS5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    12 inch 6.5 grendel is the best in my opinion you get that great accuracy at distance and crazy good knockdown power in a small ar-15 package

    • @GravelGuerrilla
      @GravelGuerrilla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6.5G is good because of the wolf ammo being cheap. But, these rounds really excel with higher quality ammo and long barrels. I feel like it's a 5 cylinder engine, in a world with 6 cylinders and 4 cylinders and turbos and superchargers available. The advantages are there but, so damn subtle that you might as well reach the peak performance. And if you're there, just buy a 6 ARC or a 6 creedmore. You'll beat the 6.5G guy every time.

  • @tommygunn3260
    @tommygunn3260 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    Video suggestion: if there’s a SHTF situation and you can ONLY grab 1 rifle & 1 pistol, what are they? And what’s your kit? I think lots of us wanna know!

    • @Zamotak
      @Zamotak ปีที่แล้ว +86

      A solid Gas Piston AR15 in 5.56 and a Glock 19. Ammo would be extremely common and replacement parts for both would be rather common as well.

    • @Tranitus3
      @Tranitus3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Want this video

    • @n0xxm3rcyxx
      @n0xxm3rcyxx ปีที่แล้ว +2

      its about that time.

    • @m0rbidhusky
      @m0rbidhusky ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I’d run an AR-15 and a glock 26. Very common guns & ammunition, and the 26 can take a greater variety of magazines than something like a glock 17/19.

    • @MrLandslide84
      @MrLandslide84 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Something 5.56 (AR) and something 9mm for availability. Once you run out, you don't wanna have .224 valk/6mmARC or something else weird and have no gun if you are able to link up with someone.

  • @Nono-rh4lr
    @Nono-rh4lr ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Great rundown. I would have loved to see what the SuperSonics would do out of the rattler. I know subs are popular for quiet but the 300 black runs well with suppers

    • @mattjay6633
      @mattjay6633 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same! My home defense rifle is a 9” .300 with a surefire 300sps. Yeah subs are fun for range plinking, and some of the aggressive HP/expanding rounds would be great for “sentry work” or just staying quiet….. but primarily I would be using 110gr supers. Suppressor still makes it relatively comfortable to the ear, but you also get the benefits of a rifle round in regards to ballistics and capable distance….

    • @TheDkb427
      @TheDkb427 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mattjay6633 not that I've done it but you could possibly download a 110gr vmax or even the Barnes tac-tx to still expand but really quite. Think that would be around 1800fps or something. Would limit further out but still better than subs to me anyways. Hell anything over 125 just pokes 30 cal holes.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If I want to go loud I'll just pick up a 5.56 with v-maxes.
      The blackout does subs quietly. I bought a can to be quiet. Supers are very not quiet through a can indoors. 😂
      It can be a versatile round. It's just that many have tried to make it do a bunch of things it just doesn't do well. It really does quiet subs well, so let it be great there and quit compromising.

    • @rickfinsta2951
      @rickfinsta2951 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@leftyeh6495 I disagree. 300blk out of an 8.1" barrel is nearly identical in external ballistics to a 7.62x39 in the AKM platform. Or you can think of it as a light 30-30 loading from a much shorter barrel. You get lower concussion when not suppressed, and suppressed with subs is quieter than a similar barrel length in 5.56x45. Also more barrier blind, etc. I never use subs in my 300 stuff it is a waste of good bullets LOL. 300blk is just about perfect for domestic (CONUS) law enforcement or self defense use. That said I'm not going to turn down a 11.5" 5.56 if it is handed to me, either.

    • @chopinbloc
      @chopinbloc ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@TheDkb427sorry, the 110gr VMAX stops expanding well above the speed of sound.

  • @youtubesucks2369
    @youtubesucks2369 ปีที่แล้ว +373

    Ive never been more excited for Mike to show me the results of something so short !

    • @xaxsimplexescapex
      @xaxsimplexescapex ปีที่แล้ว +34

      they're actually perfectly average, more common than you think!

    • @johndavid5862
      @johndavid5862 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Ummmmmmmm......... you ARE still speaking about rifles..........., right?!? 😐

    • @TalkingFlannel
      @TalkingFlannel ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It’s pretty average, I think.

    • @davolbc
      @davolbc ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Remember you're supposed to measure a barrel from the bottom LOL.

    • @davolbc
      @davolbc ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Actually when you pull the trigger and shoot it only needs to travel about an inch to an inch and a half to have a devastating effect upon your life.

  • @Rooobviously
    @Rooobviously ปีที่แล้ว +159

    Every time that I go to order gun parts I hear Michah saying “primary arms” in my head so that’s where I order things from now.

    • @frosty3693
      @frosty3693 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have two PA 1x6 FFP ACSS scopes for 7.62x39, quite versatile depending on what ranges you shoot. Thinking about their prizm site for my next build.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Doesn't hurt that they're a solid company that stands behind their products, either.

    • @DevDog67
      @DevDog67 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@frosty3693their micro prisms are way better than they have any right up be for $300. It's kind of insane.
      Plus the motion on/off is pretty sick.

    • @T-SwiftsMaritalAid
      @T-SwiftsMaritalAid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m gonna stay clear of PA from now on tho. Have a slx 1-6 lpvo that won’t zero. Won’t even hit on the paper

    • @fmlymn1
      @fmlymn1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have 6 of their products and am happy with them for the price point

  • @eljefeamericano4308
    @eljefeamericano4308 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Great video. It's a shame the 7.62x39 rifle was being so fussy. I'm partial to that caliber in shorter barrel lengths.

    • @PNWhashmits
      @PNWhashmits ปีที่แล้ว +4

      X39 from a 10.5" FTW

    • @twelvepercentitalian2511
      @twelvepercentitalian2511 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wouldn’t be worried about it.

    • @Min4Mass
      @Min4Mass ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its the 300 blackout we have at home.

  • @Pienimusta
    @Pienimusta ปีที่แล้ว +191

    If you have been struggling in your life with a short barrel, hit that subscribe button.

    • @Token_Black_Guy
      @Token_Black_Guy ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Just get nore pumps in big bro

    • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
      @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If you ever feel bad about your short barrel, just remember that in some cultures shorter barrels indicate superiority 😆

    • @RussXnimbusX
      @RussXnimbusX ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I may have a pencil barrel, but I can write War and Peace with it.

    • @dynasty2295
      @dynasty2295 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What if your barrel changes depending on how hot your rounds are? 🤔

    • @varuug
      @varuug ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dynasty2295 It's modular.

  • @mitchellstiles3260
    @mitchellstiles3260 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    “But I know you poor fuckers are probably firing the cheap ammo.”
    He knows his followers😂

  • @mitchculpepper738
    @mitchculpepper738 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Being a 6.5 Grendel fan, I’m curious what it would do out of 11.5” barrel. With muzzle velocities of 2300+ fps with 120 gr. bullet and 2500+ fps with 90 gr. Varmint nightmare, it seems this would excel in your test.

  • @CatTechSupport
    @CatTechSupport ปีที่แล้ว +276

    300 and 8.6 Blackout are the quietest options you have.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +123

      big facts

    • @ItsBiscoitoIndeed
      @ItsBiscoitoIndeed ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ​@@GarandThumbscience has occured

    • @brandonrupp5880
      @brandonrupp5880 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I haven't heard that.

    • @nomad5454
      @nomad5454 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      True but from a practical point I'd only run 8.6 as a. Bolt setup trying too stock 1000+ rounds at that price for ar is crazy

    • @xxxlonewolf49
      @xxxlonewolf49 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Bayonet is the quietest caliber

  • @nickadkins7765
    @nickadkins7765 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Definitely would have liked to see a 110gr barnes tac tx round out of an 8 inch +/- barrel on the 300 black out for comparison! I'm sure the ballistics, effective range, and certainly the weight would have changed significantly.

    • @Rotakor
      @Rotakor ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I agree with this 100%. I would also of liked the 10.5 inch barrel.

    • @bona-fide-mtm
      @bona-fide-mtm ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed, 300BLK is a true dual purpose caliber, having similar performance to 762x39 when using supers, yet being the only option for subs

    • @goawaybaizuo
      @goawaybaizuo ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Definitely agree with the 8" barrel. I think thats way more common than a 5.5.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      10" barrel is supposed to be the best velocity wise as powder should be burned by 9-10" for sub loads.
      If you're shooting supers you may as well have a 16-18" barrel and get the velocity.

  • @nicholasdangelo8174
    @nicholasdangelo8174 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow, this is an amazing vid sir. Absolutely stunning the results with the 545. 556 also very stout on the gel. 300blkout punching through the block was awesome and 308 did work on the block! Awesome content this was great thank you!

  • @cosmicbilly
    @cosmicbilly ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Garand thumb has been killing it with these uploads!
    This dude never fails.
    Keep it up bro, i love your channel so much.

  • @marshmellowboy323
    @marshmellowboy323 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The informational and gear videos will always be my favorite, thank you for the knowledge Mr. Thumb

  • @columbiawarmachine9795
    @columbiawarmachine9795 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love my colt 11 inch barrel sbr

  • @Anom711
    @Anom711 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Awesome video! Would have been interesting to see how a SBS 12 gauge would have compared the the various rifles.

  • @Rolf97
    @Rolf97 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Everyone always asks, "Where is Charlie?", and not "How is Charlie?"

  • @jacobkean03
    @jacobkean03 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    The 5.56 never ceases to surprise me with its combat effectiveness but now that I got myself an ol lady and two daughters I’ve swapped to the .300 blackout for home defense considering the most common threats I have are the desperate tweakers and coyotes going after the livestock. The concrete test kind of changes my thoughts on the penetrating power of the 5.56 compared to the .300 blackout.

    • @jeb6361
      @jeb6361 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where do you have steel in your house?@@thejoatmoo

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 ปีที่แล้ว

      shielding on spacecraft is meant to stop 10 km/s bullets of meteorites. Mass still matters. @@thejoatmoo

    • @jonah8133
      @jonah8133 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@thejoatmoo Yeahp, I've seen tests where certain barriers are hardly dented by 300 blackout whereas 556 had some serious penetration

    • @dababcock9
      @dababcock9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      With home defense as the primary intent, being able to shoot through barriers and still have good performance is not always considered a good thing. Usually, with home defense, the object is to have something that's effective enough to quickly incapacitate the attacker(s), while not having a tendency to over-penetrate, so as to hopefully not be a threat to the neighbors. You also need to positively identify the bad guy before you pull the trigger. Generally, legally speaking, the last thing that you need to be worried about is shooting through walls to get the bad guy(s). That's gotten a good number of people in serious trouble when what they thought was the bad guy... wasn't.
      I know that 5.56 (depending on barrel length and bullet selection) often tends to start to upset when it hits the first layer of drywall. It's still effective at getting the "bad guy", but an errant shot is less likely to go through multiple walls, unlike the 9mm (which is one of the major reasons why most SWAT teams have switched from the MP5 to the AR platform in 5.56). So far, I haven't seen similar tests on how different .300 blackout bullets perform in that kind of environment.... but I'm very interested in seeing any such tests.

    • @jeb6361
      @jeb6361 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jonah8133 Where do you have steel in your house? Why are you interested in penetrating steel?

  • @161monkey
    @161monkey ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Welcome back Micah! So happy for you and your growing family!

    • @alwarberigai5955
      @alwarberigai5955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like how Mike casually threatened to fire Micah as a joke.. could have been real if he wanted it to…😮

    • @161monkey
      @161monkey ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, I think Mikes loyal. Also, totally on brand for these two. #Bussin

  • @lukeletkeman8835
    @lukeletkeman8835 ปีที่แล้ว +423

    The accuracy issue on the AK wasn’t the ammo, it was the MRO😂

    • @Citybreakdancerman10
      @Citybreakdancerman10 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      My thoughts exactly. I have that exact rifle with an MRO and it was my problem haha

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +185

      lol damn. Just my luck. Although not my fav its been solid for 6ish years

    • @K-bob_45
      @K-bob_45 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      You know AK’s are notorious for have bore to bullet size mismatch due to being made all over creation by every country ever right?

    • @morphius747
      @morphius747 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Had some guy tell me that too, .311 bore in Russian/Euro Ak's but we shoot .308 bullets from our Tula or Winchester (American)ammo @@K-bob_45

    • @investigativeoutcomes9343
      @investigativeoutcomes9343 ปีที่แล้ว

      not in America. lol@@K-bob_45

  • @grizzlyadamsmtb3012
    @grizzlyadamsmtb3012 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I built a .300 blackout with a 10.5 inch barrel shooting 220 subsonic. So much fun I love it. Can’t wait to get a suppressor for it.

    • @GUNNER67akaKelt
      @GUNNER67akaKelt ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, .300 BO would be my thought. The cartridge was designed for short barrels. Not sure why the comparison was with subsonics and not hypersonics. If you want to compare subsonics, they should all be subsonics. Hey, the .300 doesn't do as good as the rest. Wow, who saw that coming, right? Next comparison: why they the 9mm doesn't measure up to the .308.

    • @XxxSIGMA_SUPERIORxxX
      @XxxSIGMA_SUPERIORxxX ปีที่แล้ว

      300 BO deserves to be suppressed.

  • @wasdawasda3849
    @wasdawasda3849 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Would have loved to see .300 supersonics as well since that's the thing about being able to switch with a magazine change

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +26

      yessir next video for sure

  • @alexanderhaile6196
    @alexanderhaile6196 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Loving the SBR test data. Some video ideas...
    I'd like to see a video testing different kinds of 5.56x45mm (M193, M855, Mk262) through various short barrels, both against ballistic gel and common barriers (cinderblocks, wood, etc.) for CQB purposes.
    Then a test of M855 through different barrel lengths against Lv3 armor. Obviously M855 should defeat Lv3 armor, but through the shorter barrels the velocity would be decreased. I'm wondering how short the barrel can be before your use of M855 becomes irrelevant against Lv3 armor.

  • @Mandalore6311
    @Mandalore6311 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Loved the video. Fully admitting I am a .300 BLK fanboy, I feel the cartridge may have been done a disservice. In addition to being optimized for "short" barrels, one of the primary selling points is the wide range of bullet selection compared to other cartridges. Seeing the performance of supers in this video would have been nice. You maintain the advantages mentioned like excellent suppression at the muzzle, as well as low flash signature. That being said, it was a nice surprise seeing how it performed against the cinder block.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว

      You may as well have a 308 for anything but subs.
      The 300 is great for factory ammo selection in subs and supers.
      308 is worth the jump to ar-10 if you're just shooting supers though.
      Suppressors and flash hiders are for noise or flash suppression. A bare barrel you're not going to know the difference.

    • @somethingposerish5807
      @somethingposerish5807 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@leftyeh6495 nah, 300 is dope, 13grs of powder vs 45+, not to mention most of that 45+ is wasted. Also ease of brass collecting. I get so much 300blk brass from all the 556 guys who don't reload 😂
      Edit: saw you mention jump to AR 10, to clarify, that defeats the purpose of cqb

    • @Mandalore6311
      @Mandalore6311 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leftyeh6495 thanks for explaining suppressors and flash hiders to me? 300 BLK should be run suppressed, nobody mentioned bare muzzles.

    • @Mandalore6311
      @Mandalore6311 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@somethingposerish5807 not to mention the exact points from the video, .308 guns are heavier and the ammo is heavier.

    • @bower31
      @bower31 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leftyeh6495 Yeah definitely not the weight and size of 308 is not always a worth while trade off. 300 supers preform really quite good, and you can carry a lot more of them.

  • @francisdotso8594
    @francisdotso8594 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Love the content, but would love to see more of the becoming deadly series come back

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +79

      We are working on it

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@GarandThumb I know it doesn't get as many views as some other content, but the information is invaluable, and that makes it evergreen content in a big way. Thanks for everything you and your team do for gun culture.

    • @PoliticallyInsensitive
      @PoliticallyInsensitive ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​​@@theKashConnoisseurI read a bunch of comments like this last week and I'm still calling bullshit.
      Even the lowest view count was over a million iirc.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@PoliticallyInsensitive well, the commentary that the "becoming deadly" series didn't perform as well is based on GT's own comments he's made in podcast interviews. Views are great, but they don't always equate to financial success. And a million views might be a lot for one channel, but disappointing performance for another. It's not a dig on the content by any means, I find it highly valuable. But unfortunately being prepared is still a bit fringe even within the 2A space.

    • @deand5602
      @deand5602 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GarandThumb mega based, thank you mr. Thumb

  • @pops55650
    @pops55650 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I love the .300 Blackout but it’s nice to see how it stacks up and what to expect, and not overhype its capabilities. All this raw data is pretty amazing,

    • @somethingposerish5807
      @somethingposerish5807 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This isn't a fair comparison. Should have used 150gr supers. Would have done way better in all tests
      Edit: also 8.5 or 9 inch barrel, not 5.5. They literally used the gimpest 300blk possible

    • @michaelchristian8084
      @michaelchristian8084 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@somethingposerish5807I agree on the caliber grain. He said they were going with 55gr cause it’s the cheapest and most used and then goes with 220gr for 300blk which is not cheapest and most used. The 150 would have performed much better at the distance shooting and gel.

    • @gVert404
      @gVert404 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@somethingposerish5807tbf the main purpose of 300blk is to be subsonic for suppression

    • @painmt651
      @painmt651 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would rather have a 7.62x39, and just reload rounds for specific performance that is not obtainable from cheap factory ammunition. 300blk is too expensive.

    • @twelvepercentitalian2511
      @twelvepercentitalian2511 ปีที่แล้ว

      5.5 inch barrel for 300 blackbout is too short. 9.5 inch-10.5 is the sweet spot.

  • @evanwells6284
    @evanwells6284 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Personally, I would pick supersonic 300 blk. Maybe a 110 or 125gr bullet. I think it wouldn't have any issues with lethality or short range drop, and it could probably get 90% of 16" barrel velocity out of the 5.5. but it would be loud.

  • @BradMillsOK
    @BradMillsOK ปีที่แล้ว +60

    That gel impact with 308…. Wow lots of energy

    • @alexwalker2582
      @alexwalker2582 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      3-0-Hate is a standard for a reason.

  • @wbhawkes
    @wbhawkes ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great, informative, fun video as usual. However, I really do wish you guys would try a 6.5 Grendel set of barrel lengths. In 12", it's supersonic to near 1,000 yards due to amazing BC - significantly better than any others you tested in this video, and it crushes the gel in close, gives you more rounds per pound than a 7.62x51, and overall is an amazing round for an SBR in a lightweight AR-15 platform.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      6.5 Grendel gives you better than SPR performance from Mk.18 sized CQBR. If I was to standardize all of my ARs, it would be my 12" 6.5 Grendel suppressed.
      I can out-shoot 24" hot-loaded .223 Rem bolt guns at distance, hunt, and still do HD and CQB with a compact blaster all-in-one.

    • @wbhawkes
      @wbhawkes ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Amen. Once you do some basic ballistics research on this surprisingly versatile and powerful cartridge, then actually buy and shoot one, it's very enlightening. I dismissed it for years for some reason, but am VERY SOLD on it now. I have decades of experience with many other AR-15 - and AR-10 rifles and cartridges, and am extremely impressed with the 6.5 Grendel - especially in a 12"-ish barrel length.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wbhawkes I started with a 16" and wasn't impressed initially because I was fixated on muzzle velocity, not really looking at what it did downrange or appreciating the easy to manage sight picture during the shot.
      I noticed my nephews kept hitting my 12" steel poppers at distance with no misses, even though they have no shooting background.
      I built a Lilja barreled 17.6" and topped it with better glass and realized I could rapid-fire head shots at 600yds, and rapid-fire sub-MOA 6rd groups at 1000yds.
      That 17.6" Lilja is really light, like an old school M4A1 pre SOCOM barrel.
      I then did several 18", 20", 22" Lilja barrel builds with top-end components, then started looking at 12".
      I've spent the last 6 years shooting the 12" Grendel a lot in all my courses. I'm making 1st-round hits at 780yds, and even made 1st-round at 900yds on a 12" plate with that cheap 110gr PPU ammo.
      I normally shoot 123gr ELD-M through the 12", though it also does great with 90gr TNT, 120gr Federal OTM, and that 110gr PPU. 107gr and 110gr are really flat out of it.

    • @wbhawkes
      @wbhawkes ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have a 123gr Hornady ELD-M load that out of my 12.5" 6.5 Grendel that has a very modest muzzle velocity of 2160 fps, but is supersonic to around 900 yards. That's crazy to me for such a compact, manageable package.

    • @rubenjimenez5213
      @rubenjimenez5213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only thing about the 6.5 Grendel is price and availability, but I love it on an AR platform

  • @hamhocks
    @hamhocks ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You should do this same video but with other popular calibers like 6.5 grendel, 6.8 SPC, and the 6 ARC.

  • @granttetterton4491
    @granttetterton4491 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    We need more of the becoming deadly series!!

  • @jameslyddall
    @jameslyddall ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Absolutely cracking video from you guys, have never fired anything more then a .22 round being from UK I would love to do some outdoor shooting/fitness sessions at some point in the states. Looking at booking some time off next year to see what courses are available.

    • @bass779
      @bass779 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hope you can make it!

    • @FL-Kaiman
      @FL-Kaiman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hell yeah bruv! Come across the pond!

    • @musicman1eanda
      @musicman1eanda ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you're a gun loving UK subject, please feel free to come over here to the US to become a citizen and switch places with one of our communist anti gun leftists 😊

    • @charleseatherton7396
      @charleseatherton7396 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You should move and stay here in the USA.

    • @jameslyddall
      @jameslyddall ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charleseatherton7396 I would love to, work in central London live in a nice place but commute an hour plus. Dealing with international clients all day, to be honest I’d love to get a place in Arizona. Love that part of the country. Being from the UK I’d find the place Mike shoots from to cold I’d chose somewhere warm like AZ.

  • @eindride1268
    @eindride1268 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I really hope Garand Thumb comes around to reviewing the best Ar15 in the S-tier category. Between Noveske, Lmt, Larue, Radian, DD, Kac, HK, and a couple others, it's so hard to get solid unbiased answers as to which company offers the best, and which offer superficial prices for what you get out of them. I'd love to see a test between all 16 inch 5.56 models, and possibly test the popular variants that don't fit that (like the Mk18) just to see which offers the most. Obviously they're all proficient enough, but it'd be cool to find the king of op-tier Ar's

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 ปีที่แล้ว

      16”!? Most people buying Gucci grade rifles are likely mounting a can and don’t want to end up with a 20” + platform.

    • @eindride1268
      @eindride1268 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @joek5352 Well genius, it's a good thing the test is to compare between companies to see who makes the best rifles, and not a test to see what everyone is wanting specifically. I don't give a fuck what people are using it for, the point of comparitive tests is to compare positives and negatives, and if you don't use the same dependent factors (barrel length) to test with, you're gonna get inconsistent results. I did mention to add popular variants that don't fit that bill, but that's because they're highly regarded

    • @zombieslayer7759
      @zombieslayer7759 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of all the highest tier AR-15's, the rifles from Blackout Defense are probably the best of them all to be honest and they aren't even the most expensive of the highest tier rifles (they're a little over 2 grand).

    • @eindride1268
      @eindride1268 ปีที่แล้ว

      @zombieslayer7759 First time I've heard of them compared with S tier rifles, so ima doubt that

    • @joek5352
      @joek5352 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@eindride1268 Everyone watch out. This guy knows everything. And will sarcastically call you a genius if he doesn’t agree with you.

  • @heatheruntz5315
    @heatheruntz5315 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I recently had to sell my shorty 308 galil with an 11.8in barrel. I came upon hard times and it was the least practical of all my guns so it had to go. I still have my 16 308 galil ace though so that is another reason I picked it to sell. The furthest out I shot the shorty 308 was 400 yards. 556 is probably my favorite shorty round but 308 is the most effective imo

    • @alexanderp8037
      @alexanderp8037 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Check "jaegar micro galil ace"

    • @heatheruntz5315
      @heatheruntz5315 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexanderp8037 hell yeah dude that thing is sweet! When my financial situation is better I am going to get one of those or a mk18

  • @josiahb55
    @josiahb55 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nice. Would love to see some old school optics reviews back. Like the primary arms PLxC 1-8 yall have been talking about.

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He said in a prior video he won’t be reviewing any primary arms optics because they are channel sponsors

  • @ed1968man
    @ed1968man 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just picked up the Primary Arms SLx 1X Gemini for my PCC. VERY HAPPY!!!

  • @Teh_R4v3n
    @Teh_R4v3n ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wish there was 6.8 spc II, I always heard it was amazing in all lengths

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah too bad that round dropped off and failed adoption

    • @justinfrost6934
      @justinfrost6934 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      12” barrel 6.8 spc is a hammer. It gets another 100-150 fps over 6.5 Grendel for equal bullet weights

  • @Sassquootchen
    @Sassquootchen ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Gotta love that GT videos are always ready to go right when church is done.

  • @AlreadyDeadInside83079
    @AlreadyDeadInside83079 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I've been wanting to see an SBR comparison and effectiveness video for awhile. 🍺 🍺

  • @txhookey5608
    @txhookey5608 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Winter usually means bumping up calibers, especially with shorter barrels. Would be interesting to see the same ballistic gel performance through several layers of cold weather gear.

    • @walthermodel01
      @walthermodel01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great fukcin idea

    • @hunterfishman7119
      @hunterfishman7119 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      MEME: WHEN THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENT SECTION ARE SMARTER THAN THE GUN TUBER THAT IS ONLY INTERESTED IN LIKES, VIEWS & SUBS!!!
      NICELY DONE GOOD SIR!
      IF ONLY WE HAD FULL ACCESS TO THE EQUIPMENT HE HAS, WE WOULD PUT THESE IGNANT FOOLS TO SHAME WITH OUR ACTUALLY ACCURATE INFO & TESTING!

    • @teampyle9835
      @teampyle9835 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      With rifle cartridges the clothing makes almost no difference. There's lots of videos that show ballistics gel with clothing and there isn't any noticeable loss in performance.

    • @PD-we8vf
      @PD-we8vf ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That channel is tan by Paul Harrell.

    • @teampyle9835
      @teampyle9835 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PD-we8vf yes thank you

  • @mhicaoidh1
    @mhicaoidh1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd suspect the optic mount on that 7.62x39. I've shot a lot of Russian x39 and never experienced shot deviation like that at 300 yards.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      same - that was our thought as well. Super bizzare

    • @mhicaoidh1
      @mhicaoidh1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GarandThumb Just remembered another thing ... there's an outside chance it's the booster on the muzzle too. Had one years ago throwing shots low left and low right. But, that was consistent and somewhat predictable. Took it off ... straight as an arrow.

  • @TheWarriorsMind
    @TheWarriorsMind ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the 6.8 spc for my short barrel. It was built for it. But, for pure power, I like my 450 bushmaster for subsonic hunting. Over 800 fpe out to 135 yds.

  • @atlanticancameos5131
    @atlanticancameos5131 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    17:25 Pretty sure I ran with more than 7 rounds back in Afghan. Love the videos mate.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      hahaa meant to say mags

    • @atlanticancameos5131
      @atlanticancameos5131 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GarandThumb😂 All love man, keep up the good work

    • @pulldeauxduck2480
      @pulldeauxduck2480 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for squirting all over the place , 🦆

  • @SmallHandsBigBite
    @SmallHandsBigBite ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Got to say that this was a really well sorted video. All it was missing was a meat target with a high-tech Fa-Leece bullet stop (Love ya, Paul).
    I grew up almost exclusively with AK's and practical AK kit and manual of arms my whole life until just 2 or so short years ago when I transitioned into, of all things, an FAL (L1A1). The Manual of arms felt very familiar to me with little adjustments needed.
    Personally, I love to see how you showcased the real world advantages of these 7.62x39/51 rounds. Though I also want to state that I never once felt burdened carrying my AK kit or my FAL kit. I'm curious what magazines you used to weigh out the AKM kit - Steel, Circle 10 Bulgarians, Magpul Gen 3's?
    I have tried, but wouldn't consciously trade those two rifles for anything else in the world. Doesn't mean I don't practice and get familiar with other systems though.

    • @TheDkb427
      @TheDkb427 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm the complete opposite lol I have not will not get a commie gun lol. Merica!! Seriously don't want another caliber to deal with.

    • @7.62-ATA
      @7.62-ATA ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@TheDkb427you do know there's a lot of aks chambered in 556 they're pretty much the same as an AK in 5x45 but train with what you're comfortable with just wanted to let you know

  • @rhandley1000
    @rhandley1000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I highly recommend the FAL OSW. Awesome rifle

  • @evans9748
    @evans9748 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Idk, still using the 300blk subs during the 300 yard shots kinda defeats the whole point of 300blk, it would have been more realistic to have switched mags to supers, which is exactly how it was designed to be used.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +17

      this is fair - hindsight is def 20/20 after we make videos

    • @jayjohnson3732
      @jayjohnson3732 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would add that using a 10” blackout would have been better. With that Barrel length the supers are as fast as 7.62x39, carry much more energy than 5.56 at 300 meters, and would be even quieter with subsonic ammo than the Rattler. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the Rattler, but it’s not the most versatile blackout platform.

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      we went off of heavily used mil rifles

    • @evans9748
      @evans9748 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GarandThumb exactly. no one is running around with a 10” barrel, plus the Rattler still uses the 1/5 twist you won’t get on a 10” anyways.

    • @frosty3693
      @frosty3693 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am guessing the rifle is setup for subsonic and going to supers would require a gas ssytem and sight zero change. Would have liked to seen it too.

  • @curtrobinsongarage5452
    @curtrobinsongarage5452 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Keep up the great content. Your one of my favorite channels. Thanks for the pewtainment.

  • @ratsniperslugs
    @ratsniperslugs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my Maxim PDX SBR in 5.56 - getting 1960 fps with M855. I’m running a CGS Helios QD with the vented muzzle cap and it’s not gassey at all. I love my shorties!!! It is pushing 530 ft lbs at the muzzle and 400 ft lbs @ 75 yards (same as a 40 S&W at the muzzle) so for 100 yards and in it’s perfect. The M855 @ 1960 fps MV is still traveling 1044 fps @ 500 yards which will still penetrate level 3A soft armor. A short AR is very useful in the correct application.

  • @rustyshackelford3781
    @rustyshackelford3781 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Love the comparisons and the different tests. I do tend to run cheaper ammo for training except for my Mk18, I only run issued amo which for training is the Hornady sbr 75gr bthp, or hornady 75gr tap.

  • @bretc1012
    @bretc1012 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I wish you would have switched to supers with the .300 blackout. I thought that was the point of owning one, how you can switch between the two depending on your need.
    Edit: I guess unless your barrel length and suppressor doesn't work well with supers.. I can see that.

    • @61fordf2504x4
      @61fordf2504x4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea would have been cool, that is a tiny barrel though. I have a 10" on mine but i havent done a good side by side with my 12" 556.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The SIG is a piston gun, so he would need another SIG upper, and they're a pain to source. Assuming he's using the rattler with the recoil spring on the piston, so there's no buffer or spring in the lower.
      I love the couple of SIGs I have, but I feel like I have an emotionally abusive spouse when I have to deal with them. The complete lack of support once the gun leaves the factory is astonishing. And then they come out with a new generation and completely drop parts support for the last one so anything goes wrong and you have a paper weight.

  • @lemon8513
    @lemon8513 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you sir for bring the FAL to the test and to mention South America, we do love your content!

  • @IceGoon
    @IceGoon ปีที่แล้ว +5

    23:28 got a baby girl inbound 2 weeks. Even if you’re not ready for it, fellas… it’s worth every waking moment.

  • @17rpmnate
    @17rpmnate ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For me the 300 blackout makes sense for your primary sbr setup because of the ability to transition from a quiet sub sonic round to a supersonic vmax flesh disintegrating round with a simple mag change.

    • @jimwilliams7937
      @jimwilliams7937 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flesh disintegrating?
      Never seen that with whitetail deer

  • @albertoriviera8616
    @albertoriviera8616 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys do great work. Some of us do understand how much work and money goes into such top knotch content. Thanks Dudes

  • @josholdham1033
    @josholdham1033 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Cool video, but I would love to see a comparison video like this just for 300 BO. Different barrel lengths, subs and supers etc.

    • @95dodgev10
      @95dodgev10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A couple vidoes ago he did compare sub vs supersonic through a suppressor and the travel time of the round at longer ranges. At long range when they filmed from basically over the shoulder you could actually see the subsonic flying through the air.

  • @gatormcklusky5850
    @gatormcklusky5850 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm waiting for Geissele's new addition to the field, their currently working on two new rifles in 6 mm ARC.

    • @kalanipitmon7817
      @kalanipitmon7817 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oouuu i like.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      KAC made a 6mm Grendel as well. Just wish they would do 6.5 Grendel.

  • @gagedellin6634
    @gagedellin6634 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Great video Garand, love the focus on combat performance and aspects instead of straight up ballistics and accuracy. Would love to hear opinion on the 6mm ARC, especially in a 14.5 inch barrel or shorter. There are videos of people shooting a 14.5 inch 6mm arc over a 1,000 yds, just not with a combat focus. I wanna know what someone with a military background thinks of the round and its capabilities. Keep up the great work man. God Bless!!

  • @Robespierres_Ghost
    @Robespierres_Ghost ปีที่แล้ว +42

    300 blackout then 762x39. They are much less sensitive to barrel loss compared to 556 and 545.

    • @Mike_858
      @Mike_858 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hardly matters when you are using 69 and 77 grain BTHP, those fragment and expand at velocities as low as 1800 fp/s making 10'' .223 AR's very useful.

    • @АлакПатрова
      @АлакПатрова ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Paying 3x for .300 over 7.62 sounds fun.

    • @Ntmoffi
      @Ntmoffi ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'll take cheap 30 cal over everything else.

    • @johnmarkfeiger-no5ri
      @johnmarkfeiger-no5ri ปีที่แล้ว

      Personally for short barrels I'd go with 7.62x39. It packs quite a lot of energy and is a more ubiquitous round than 300 blk

    • @hexdontae
      @hexdontae ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mike_858holy shit cope harder 🤣

  • @alexc414
    @alexc414 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I will admit, when it said "AD in 3, 2, 1" I was waiting for an accidental discharge...

  • @rgochina
    @rgochina ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Amazing video! And in the end, all things resume to 5.56 and good old .308. Nothing more is really necessary.

  • @garrettboone4306
    @garrettboone4306 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I can pretty confidently tell you the accuracy issue with the x39 is your MRO. I had 3 different ones (broke one). The parallax is unbelievably bad

    • @GuacIsExtra99
      @GuacIsExtra99 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well rhat saves me some money I was wanting to drop on one lol

    • @Aonghuis
      @Aonghuis ปีที่แล้ว

      Hé is getting a good consistent cheek weld, I doubt any parallax crept in as his pupil is properly in line with the dot.

    • @garrettboone4306
      @garrettboone4306 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GuacIsExtra99 supposedly the HD fixed the parallax. However, I had such a bad experience I had no interest in ever trying it. Also horrific with NV

    • @garrettboone4306
      @garrettboone4306 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Aonghuis just my mileage. I tried using it at a carbine class where we printed groups at 50yd increments from 50yds out to 400yds just to get data on the rifle. I’m not the best shooter by far, but I can hold my own. I was obviously trying my best, but was meeting unusable results. The instructor (veilsolutions) reminded me that a local swat team had such the same experience that they dumped all of theirs. I bought aimpoint right after and never had a like experience ever again. The MRO was the only variable I changed. Again, just my experience, but I’ve heard it echoed plenty

    • @Aonghuis
      @Aonghuis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@garrettboone4306 , I hear you. My XP with the MRO is limited to one. I only got to take it out to 200, but mine seemed alright. That being said a lot of folks have noticed parallax with the older versions of those. Try the compM4, or the Aimpoint PRO.

  • @SumYungGuy-q1k
    @SumYungGuy-q1k ปีที่แล้ว +88

    10.5 inch with 5.56 is accurate and comfortable, and designed for urban warfare 👍

    • @InvestWithFFI
      @InvestWithFFI 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In my humble opinion, the exact same weapon in 300BO would be better in 8/10 scenarios.

    • @gullahgeechee2699
      @gullahgeechee2699 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@InvestWithFFIeven shorter 300 still beats 5.56 far as energy.I own both so I know that the 5.56 will tumble out of a 10.5 doing more damage internally.

  • @neglectfulsausage7689
    @neglectfulsausage7689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    short .308s should have a large expansion chamber like ak74m's muzzle devices, that goes back to a small opening. The expansion chamber is there to burn the rest of the powder quickly and create more boost for the round. The small opening should be about 2-3 inches long, and have a sloped entry point so the bullet can create a seal again and get the boost from the powder. Essentially turning it into a "double fire" gun. The round goes off once in chamber, then there's another deflagration in the expansion chamber to give it a nudge for optimization.

  • @intellectualiconoclasm3264
    @intellectualiconoclasm3264 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My bedside AR is a 11.5" 5.45. Little recoil, it runs straight back, and almost the same POA/POI at 25m and 300m. That covers the home and half the neighborhood.

    • @racc7931
      @racc7931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      5.45 ar?

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just so you know that AR will land you in deep water if you use it because it’s NFA.

    • @intellectualiconoclasm3264
      @intellectualiconoclasm3264 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@racc7931 Yup. I built mine, but they can be found. Modle1Sales in Texas stocks a reasonable variety of 5.45 and 7.62x39 barrels or complete uppers. Their barrels are hard-coat chrome lined from the chamber to muzzle. Match that with a hard chrome bolt, and 7N6 is no issue. I literally just wash out the salts. RedX Armory sells bolt-faces and Comm-Block optimized firing pins. For mags you just cut the front anti-rock tab short on a P-mag. They only run 28 rounds, but they're easy to grab.

    • @intellectualiconoclasm3264
      @intellectualiconoclasm3264 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gifthorse3675 How so?

    • @lohikarhu734
      @lohikarhu734 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you live in Africa?
      A "bedside AR" sounds like you are living in a damned war zone...

  • @zachvanetten
    @zachvanetten ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great video guys! I have th8nking about this topic a lot lately, and I was actually considering a 6arc in a 12.5. Problem is, I have 0 experience with that round. Wonder how it would have held up against these.

    • @gatormcklusky5850
      @gatormcklusky5850 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same, I'm looking forward to getting a 6mm arc.

    • @isher__
      @isher__ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A friend of mine has one. He says it's fantastically accurate, but dirty as hell suppressed.

    • @gatormcklusky5850
      @gatormcklusky5850 ปีที่แล้ว

      Geissele is currently working to release two versions of the 6mm arc, One an 18" recce the other a 20 version, I'm gonna pick up the 18 positively.

    • @investigativeoutcomes9343
      @investigativeoutcomes9343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      barrel burner. lol

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      10.5"-12" 6.5 Grendel is unbelievably-capable. 10.5" Grendel has almost 2x the supersonic reach of a full-length 16.3" AK, shooting the exact same bullet weight.
      I've been shooting AR-15s since 1987, starting with the Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, then practically every variant since.
      I enjoy 12" Grendel suppressed more than any other. It hits steel hard, while having low recoil. Penetrates deep as well, with a ton of different projectile weights and over 100 factory loads.

  • @SwissTankGrunt
    @SwissTankGrunt ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Very nice video. I was expecting the 308 will bust the other SBR's, only downside as here showed the heavy weight. For me is the 308 Battlerifle the way to go, as it is also not such a big deal to carry 10 Mags, you just need to be fit and do a smart loadout. 😎

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +17

      hahah being fit always helps

    • @lolinskimk6
      @lolinskimk6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or carry like 20 mags of 5.56 and not run out of ammo

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam ปีที่แล้ว +5

    11:52 editor deserves a raise for that well made scene

  • @jupiterjunk
    @jupiterjunk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:35 - Best response for ALL firearms.

  • @kotatactical2936
    @kotatactical2936 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really want to see you run the POF revolution piston driven 12.5in 308! I'd love to see how it holds up to your abuse!

    • @Featherless1
      @Featherless1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it'd be the other way around...
      You'd see how he holds up to its abuse. 😂

    • @financialwellnesswithantho6651
      @financialwellnesswithantho6651 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I second this. Would love to see some POF rifles in general on here

    • @kotatactical2936
      @kotatactical2936 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would gladly send him mine!

    • @Featherless1
      @Featherless1 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really want to see him test his skills with corn syrup on his hands...

  • @CatmanBBQ
    @CatmanBBQ ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "You're probably not going to want to shoot very skinny people with this." Best line ever.

  • @gzuzsavz
    @gzuzsavz ปีที่แล้ว

    A fabulous video, thnx guys! These are all good rds. I don't have a short rifle..unless ya count
    16" as short..a 9mm PCC Ruger w/Glock mags & a Saiga (hi cap latch) in 7.62x39. Izhmash💪
    I think..why lop 4" or 5" off of a bbl to lose energy & velocity & gain noise? 🤷‍♂OK..CQB, yes.
    That's where a short gun shines. I'm in a rural area & on SHTF day..I ain't going to town, lolol.

  • @adolfosalasiii1306
    @adolfosalasiii1306 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I’d love to see a video on the 6.8 SPC. It’s too bad it’s not more popular in military circles.

    • @holezzz15
      @holezzz15 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      6.8 was just a solution lookin for a problem. Beyond 400 yards, you're better off with 5.56. Ammo choices aren't as plentiful as 300 bo or 5.56, and it requires many proprietary parts.
      It's a great round for within 400 yards, but 300 bo is right there with it and uses many of the same components as a standard 5.56.
      I do like the 6.8, but balistically speaking, it's really just a more expensive 7.62x39

    • @K-bob_45
      @K-bob_45 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@holezzz15 I wish instead of 6 arc we had gotten 6 Valkyrie. So slightly shortened 6.8 spc case necked down and have a ~70 gr load for close and a 85-90 gr load for distance. 6.8 spc is kind of a flop but good mags already exist and the 6.8 bolt head is better off than the grendel bolt head

    • @joshualund4876
      @joshualund4876 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      6.8 is a great round but 556 is flatter shooting than 6.8 out of a 20 in barrel compared to a 16 of the 6.8 on the Hornady black loading. 300 blk doesn’t hold a candle to the 6.8 ballistics but ammo availability really hurts the 6.8 and and parts compatibility is really a non issue.

    • @JD-tn5lz
      @JD-tn5lz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​​@@holezzz15not at all. 6.8 is popular where I live because it has superior knockdown power to a 5.56 and easier to carry around than a .308.
      7.62x39 as a hunting round? There are very few folks that do that up here.
      Yes, there are folks up here who use them for caribou, and with the packages available, I haven't met one other hunter using an AK pattern rifle for actual hunting.
      When we have to take that 300yd shot, we're alot more confident with an AR in 6.8 than anything in 7.62ak.
      I've put 6.8 through 3/8" mild steel at 100yds like it was nothing. 5.56 and 7.62 barely dent it.

    • @JD-tn5lz
      @JD-tn5lz ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@holezzz15also, the 6.8 was developed to address an existing problem. In Iraq it became an issue when troops consistently complained about making hits but not making stops.
      War isn't COD. Very few hits are made by individual troops at individual targets past 300.

  • @High_Desert_Tanner
    @High_Desert_Tanner ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Awesome info! Now do it again with better optimized ammo lol... soft point 5.56, 300 supersonic, 7.62x39 sp or hp, and some 308 varmint ammo... you'll get wildly different results

    • @crawdadandtheboilers
      @crawdadandtheboilers ปีที่แล้ว

      The whole idea of a .300 BLK SBR is for use with a can, and you get better sound suppression with subsonic. If you are going to shoot supersonic, you might as well use 5.56mm, since that gives you better range. As for AR ammo, I suggest 55 grain FMJ over 72. The heavier load has a hard core inside, which does better at penetrating hard targets, like a car door, but the core often isn't centered well, which can throw off your aim at farther distances, and a the lack of a core in the 55 grain means it will expand better in soft targets.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@crawdadandtheboilersyou have zero idea how bullets are made 😂
      All fmj bullets are a copper jacket that's formed in a stamping die and filled with lead. Some are filled from the back and the lead is visible, some are filled from the front and the jacket is then swaged shut and formed.
      Only way to get away from a lead core is using a monolithic copper solid bullet.
      If you're seeing erratic groups with heavier bullets you either don't have enough twist to stabilize, or the barrel just doesn't like the load. Not all loads are the same per bullet weight.
      Also, copper solids need more twist rate to stabilize, as they have more length for their weight.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@crawdadandtheboilersalso, your ideas on bullet construction are all wrong. Fmj tends to tumble and fracture going through hard barriers. They never open up to their core unless fractured.
      Hollow points or soft tips will mushroom and open up. This includes all plastic tipped hunting bullets that are just a hollow point with a plastic filler for aerodynamics.
      The only things that will penetrarte armor are armor penetrating rounds. They will have a hardened steel piece imbedded in the lead core, that will generally go into the armor as the lead and copper get peeled off. It's wild, a 50bmg AP round will only leave a hole maybe as big as a 30cal as the majority of the bullet is stopped by the armor and only the steel ends up punching a hole.

    • @leftyeh6495
      @leftyeh6495 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of these cartridges do way, way better out of an 18" barrel. The blackout with subs was designed around a 9-10" barrel, so it's the only caliber and load that even makes a ton of sense in an sbr.
      The other factor, is the bigger stuff like 308 out of a 10" barrel is extremely hard on the suppressors. Many aren't even rated for 308 under 16" because of the peak muzzle pressure on short barrels.

    • @josholdham1033
      @josholdham1033 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crawdadandtheboilers No … to almost everything you said. But props for spitting it out with such confidence

  • @cristianpatino2211
    @cristianpatino2211 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love ur channel man, please never stop and live forever, thank u

  • @TEstevao
    @TEstevao 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “This rifle is very well gassed” immediately after stovepiping lol

  • @mastadlo
    @mastadlo ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Let's get a 6.5 grendel video. Think it's an under-appreciated round.

    • @byronc.9861
      @byronc.9861 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed. Ive taken a 12.5 out to 400 on 2moa plates. If youre not running subs, it's the ideal ar 15 caliber for sbrs (discounting the price per round).

    • @alanw1775
      @alanw1775 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed. 6.5 grendel would smoke any of those one way or another. "Start slow and end fast" as bill alexander said.

    • @officecomputer8887
      @officecomputer8887 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6.5 grendel is obviously the best sbr caliber

    • @officecomputer8887
      @officecomputer8887 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      an sbr wont really benefit from the extra muzzle velocity but will benefit from the heavier round @@ryoannazuk949

  • @JohnJones-op8uf
    @JohnJones-op8uf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the vids. Mike!

  • @brianleverich4467
    @brianleverich4467 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I’m thinking going with a 12.5 .308 win. Pistol because it’s legal in our shotgun slug zone but waiting for this brace bs to get sorted out. Maybe a .358 win.

    • @gatormcklusky5850
      @gatormcklusky5850 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol, I have a 13.7 .308 it's a bad dude!!

    • @SFGiantsfan9797
      @SFGiantsfan9797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do 13.5 from LMT if you want short

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like short .308’s but man they’re so loud

    • @coltzee1
      @coltzee1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      13.7 pin welded here, love it, be sure to get an adjustable gas block.... I'm slinging brass 20 feet in front of me

    • @marzcapone9939
      @marzcapone9939 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've got an LMT MWS with a 13.5" .308 lightweight barrel. It's got a Smith Vortex flash hider pinned and welded, so it's just over 16". The Speer Gold Dot 150 grain turn water jugs into vapor, rip them in two at 120 yards. Never seen any muzzle flash with the Speer or any 7.62 NATO rounds either, at least from shooter's perspective.

  • @Paul_Howe0216
    @Paul_Howe0216 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I would love to see the 8.6 in this mix up. Just curious how it would fare.

    • @sfdclay
      @sfdclay ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be interesting, but it is still so new

    • @johnmenezes2031
      @johnmenezes2031 ปีที่แล้ว

      And conversely the 6.8 spc

  • @CarnivoreDog
    @CarnivoreDog 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These are the types of comparisons I enjoy the most.

  • @Girth_Brooks01
    @Girth_Brooks01 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A video on the only Short Kings people like.

  • @megacandid8789
    @megacandid8789 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I predict that .300 black out, 6.8 spc/ 6.5 grendel, and 7.62x39 are gonna be the trio to pick from

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      12" 6.5 Grendel has about twice the supersonic reach as 16.3" 7.62x39 shooting the exact same bullet weight.
      Short barrel 6.8 SPC will go subsonic at around 600yds.

    • @boygonewhoopdataZZ
      @boygonewhoopdataZZ ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Those specialty rounds go through barrels like crazy and I don't even shoot poor man's steel

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not if you want to shoot anything beyond your first engagement lol.

    • @chicorodriguez3964
      @chicorodriguez3964 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You said trio but listed 4

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@boygonewhoopdataZZ 6.5 Grendel has better barrel life than .308 or 5.56 due to much lower chamber pressure (50-52ksi vs 58-62ksi). Brass life is also higher as a result.

  • @stevenwilkinson8373
    @stevenwilkinson8373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me, 300blk subs 220g at 900 fps (yes I know it is comparable to 45acp, but dammit it's a rifle round) in an 8.5 barrel suppressed is the ultimate home defence tool. With the option of switching to 110g and/or 130g at 1950fps (chrono tested and properly set up so no adjustable gas block is needed) with less than 4" impact shift at 100 yards I believe 300blk is almost a do all round for an SBR
    Emphasis on Home Defence. My load out will always be 5.56 16" barrel suppressed.

  • @luckyomen
    @luckyomen ปีที่แล้ว +17

    6.5 Grendel is surprisingly great out of 12 inches.

    • @weinerdog137
      @weinerdog137 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not surprised

    • @jessesimmons4503
      @jessesimmons4503 ปีที่แล้ว

      6.5mm Grendel is what i would choose. especially in a Draco.

    • @luckyomen
      @luckyomen ปีที่แล้ว

      It's limit in a short barrel is very much 12inches. anything shorter is too slow for the properties of the bullet design to be effective. otherwise, it performs really well out to 350 yds@@jessesimmons4503

    • @adamg574
      @adamg574 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      6.5 grendel is heavily slept on. Love that round.

  • @crusiethmaximuss
    @crusiethmaximuss ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Could you add the sound effects of defeated players from old school Street Fighter games when a projectile hits ballistic gell really long question?

  • @xowhiplock
    @xowhiplock ปีที่แล้ว

    My AR15 pistol has a pistol lower, and a 10.5" upper, that when measured front to back without barrel device, is under 26" (i.e. 25.5"). It's chambered in 7.62x39. I loved how you clowned around and made it look inferior to everything else. Its purpose is 200 yards or less accuracy without over penetration. PPU SP RN 123 gr Rifle Line ammunition. It can reach out to 300 yards if zeroed properly, and correction applied for drop. Beat the 5.56 hands down IMHO for price performance.

  • @jazon9
    @jazon9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6.8 SPC is very nice for SBR

  • @unashamedly1776
    @unashamedly1776 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video. I do wish you had included a supersonic 300BLK round (such as a 110gr) as it’s big selling point is the ability to switch between the two.

  • @coreymoyers5771
    @coreymoyers5771 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6.8x51mm was designed with higher pressure cases for faster-burning powders that work well in shorter barrels.
    6 ARC does well from a shorter barrel due to the short, stubby case.

  • @johngalt1040
    @johngalt1040 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Based on this info, your best bet would be to carry 308 rounds loaded in a 5.45 case using 5.56 magazines unless your going suppressed. Then you may want to use the 7.62x39 since it makes zero noise due to it not firing. Shooting into cover, looks like the grenade launcher may be the ticket. I wish he would have talked more about the coriolis effect in South America shooting a FAL 308 north to south.

    • @stever8776
      @stever8776 ปีที่แล้ว

      As the rotational velocity varies with your latitude the Coriolis. The Earth's rotational velocity is greatest at the equator
      As you go farther North of the equator the rotational velocity decreased. The same thing happens as you go south of the equator. So a bullets path would be appear to vere slightly to your left. In the North Hemisphere the bullets path would appear to be shifted to the Right.
      But the distances a rifle bullet travels makes the shift not a problem. If you are shooting up hill or downhill you need to account for bullet's drop.
      Without a chalk board it's hard for me to explain. Get a ballistics program for your phone, a rangefinder, a good scope and a good spotter.

    • @DevDog67
      @DevDog67 ปีที่แล้ว

      What?

  • @Jacobpenner.
    @Jacobpenner. ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do a full auto m14 video and see how controllable it is!!

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s not I’ve shot a full auto M14 EBR and after the 2nd round you aren’t hitting anything.

    • @Jacobpenner.
      @Jacobpenner. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gifthorse3675 the rounds per minute are far too high to be controllable for most people.