How To THINK In Poker
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- Learning how to properly think about a hand in poker.
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Is there any possible way here that the Hijack had a hand that didn't contain an ace when he called the river?
ive been in hands, and observed hands, where the HJ could have called down to ppr 10s..
its a bit ridiculous,, but a lot of fairly marginal players just cant let go of a pair that beats all but one card on the board, and wont just "let u have it" based on your betting. i think Ks, Qs, Js and 10s all call, given these players..
Felt like AJ
I’d say 10% prob HJ had QQ or KK, 90% AQ or AJs. This hand was played very poorly imho.
Yes. He had 67s.
Guy had kQ
Listening to these interactions shows me how much more I have to learn to become a better player.
Second that!
Life finds interesting ways to test your patience sometimes.
lol
The more I think about it, the $200 bet on the river wasn't that bad. If the HJ has a suited weak Ace, he probably won't call an almost pot size river bet. He bet the flop with the weak ace to find out where he was. When everyone called he shut it down and it checked through on the turn. By it checking through, it probably confused him. When you then put out a small bet on the river, he figured maybe I have this one. The cap betting brings in weaker hands like a weak suited Ace, because the HJ knows that it can't get bumped up again.
This was an awkward call...I felt like the caller was way over complicating this at 100 BB effective
Earned my sub. The thought process laid down cleared up so many things for me.
I feel like this guy thinks Bart called into his show and he’s the one giving the advice
This!
Right on, good job calling that out. The caller is only concerned about getting validation from Bart. He clearly isn’t at all interested in entertaining the chance his exploitative line was a less-than-optimal approach than standard GTO
i get the feeling thats most callers
I feel like the caller has definitely kicked around the idea of starting a channel/podcast xD
poker rooms are filled with egos
When Bart says here "I think you may be over-thinking " I feel like he can say that often in these calls. I also feel very few of the callers accurately describe their villains. This guy way overthinks.
lol
Not only was the Caller over-thinking....he was over-talking. It's really not that interesting a hand that it required 22 minutes of "elucidation"
Maybe IT was the only Hand he ever won in His life😊@@EricA-xd9fn
5:48 "It's better to take an exploitative approach and bet AK while checking AA, KK and QQ" : actually that is the exact GTO strategy.
Check/Raise is the exploit against people that bet to much and overvalue.
Not sure how much value he lost here though. Maybe one more street of value against HJ but maybe BB would have folded to the bet from PFR and HJ call. Multiway is pretty complicated
Bart should have just conferenced in Effective Stack guy and let them debate the hand. Totally +EV move and Bart could have just watched some Netflix.
I think the call was actually pretty chill. It seems like he’s trying to voice what he was thinking and then when Bart picks it apart it’s easier to put what he was thinking and the obvious play together. Although he was rambling a bit. Haha
also it's more content for bart to criticize, which is what we want, right? better to speak up and be corrected than not speak up and not get feedback
Classic case of fancy play syndrome. Usually it ends worse. Guys like Bart sometimes forget people really dont think or know what the fuck is going on a lot of the time. I know a lot of "regs" that are not thinking about action behind them they're stuck on their 2 cards and nothing else.
learned lots. thanks.
That flop over call says strength to me if I’m one of the other players. I think turn check is a mistake with his remaining stack. I would’ve tried to bet a small amount on the turn maybe 200-300. Hopefully set up a river shove that’s getting called by a weaker ace! Again GREAT content! I love it!
If you’re gonna call Bart, can you just let him talk? We wanna hear Bart.
If you check flop with AK the best play in live poker is to just min raise then jam turn.
Dude kept saying "we" like he and Bart were co-instructors. Too funny. Guy should listen to the intro and realize that Bart is the owner and lead instructor of Crush Live Poker.
"we" is something people on forums say to give the perspective of the hero
I think, therefore, I JAM!
Lol
AK suited on a dry board! Bet Bet Bet!!!
Lmao!! That’s what I woulda did on the flop.... Jammed!!
Glad Bart called in to this guy's show, he should do it more often. You know, for the listeners. 😏
It's 3/5 just bet your value hands and be done with overthinking.
Highjack has a good ace, I'd bet on AQ or AJ, maybe A10. And he tells himself that he was "priced in" to call the river when he just has a hard time folding when he's beat.
Mr. Bart.. Thank you Sir
18:24 through 18:36 sums up the caller and Bart's state of minds ✌️
Stay Hard Bart. !
How you not get all the money in with toptop vs someone who has top pair, when there is 375 pre in the pot and you have 550 left, is really amazing. Definitely an accomplishment. Surreal call.
Capped or spread-limit games like this are particularly suited for playing short stacks, meaning ~40 BB. Think about the 4-bet cap dynamic in the context of only having 25-50 BB to start with. The more restrictive the buy-in, the more it makes sense to buy short. To compensate for the short buy, it's possible to play a higher level, eg $2/5 & $5/10 can both be played with $500 buy.
It's noteworthy that ~50 BB was the typical default buy-in in the old days before capped buy-ins were a common structure. Eg, players would typically buy for $500 in a $5/10 NL or PL game circa 1980. Against tough players, 50 BB is enough. Since buying in deep wasn't an advantage vs. the field, anyone buying deep was likely a fish or outsider at least. If a fish got winners, or shows up and buys deep, sharks would match stacks, but the regular sharks weren't buying in deep vs. each other to start the game.
If you can't get re-raised off your equity you can 3bet a lot wider in theory preflop. A hand like JT or 98 loves the fold equity that a raise gives but hates getting shoved on.
i play in washington state, and its capped at 500 a bet, same with the 3rd raise closes it preflop. and i have exploited this with a few small raises in front of me, i raised again with pocket 10s, so AA or KK couldnt reraise again and i could setmine. Which i did, hit top set and all the money went in on the flop in front of me
Title should be: How to Misplay AK on Every Street
why even play poker if 4-bet is capped. Kind of a confusing betting structure. Does it mean if say I have a marginal hand in a late position, i can min 4-bet the 3-better and cause a multi-way preflop action and try to suck out...
Seriously. You can name your price. If the 3 better took it from $20 to $50, you can cap the action with a 4 bet to $80 with a marginal hand. This rule sounds terrible to me. And then the $600 bet cap as well. Just weird.
I lived in Livermore CA where the city ordinance was a $200 max bet, so the game there would be 3-200 spread limit game that ran exactly like this one. The Casino had no issue running a no limit game but the city wouldn't allow them. I can only guess that there's something similar going on here. Yes you can set your own price when capping the action. Many times I'd see someone do a live $6 then the next guy raise to $9 then another person raise to $12 capping the action. I remember Having AA or KK with the action capped at $12 and 5+ players to the hand more than once, not a place you want to be in.
Yes it does! lol
@@jmo9254 That's awful lmao. Would not play.What a sick bingo style exploit tho lol
How to think in poker, or, How to overthink with only 100bb's in poker
Prob A-5 Suited imo.. with backdoor draw on the flop. Guy prob thought you were bluffing as you went with such a small sizing pre, and checked flopped. As played it’s possible for you to not have an ace, and he makes crying call on River. Again, I do think as you mentioned the 15 dollars pre was a tell- suited wheel. Was hoping to get numerous callers so if he connects, he gets paid. Nice hand
85% the HJ had an Ace with mediocre kicker. Makes no sense to not have an Ace.
I’m at 5:33 of the video…
Our hero 4 bet AK suited to $125 with a stack of about $650 and got 2 callers. The flop is A 7 3 rainbow… why is there another 16 minutes of this video?? Lol…
Pile it in, lets goooo!!!
I’m not sure how well the concept of playing GTO applies here. You’re playing seven handed, some kind of weird rules spread limit that may have influenced the pre-flop action/ranges, and of course as always your opponents are probably not playing close to GTL at all. You label them as basically rec players. I know that talking about GTO is all the rage in poker these days, but it won’t really translate to dramatic gains under circumstances for which it was not designed. This hand seems to simply play out along very basic fundamental lines. The pot is huge and you got one of the best flops you could get. Your opponents are probably going to be reluctant to fold. Just start putting the money in. Bet 1/3 on flop and the rest on the turn.
Steven Turner
Hang on, poker can be that easy?
Yerp. All I knoe is he missed value here and let not one but two players try and catch their equity
@@kidpoker8395 Back in the old days, we called a free card a *free card* and didn't give it a fancy name like equity.
@@paulthompson9668 I can think of other popular terms used back then that aren't so popular any more.
@@kidpoker8395 My point was not about the terminology, but that using a term like "equity" just makes a simple concept of making people pay to chase hands sound fancier than it has to be.
dumb question: why are we not worried about A7 or A3? Are we just assuming those hands are out of the range due to the preflop action?
Opponent called a 4bet pre so he shouldn't have these hands unless he's a massive station. Also A3s and A7s are blocked by the board and the Ah in hero's hand (only one combo of A3s and 2 of A7s). Compare that to the 8 combos of AQ for example. It's infinitely more likely he has a worse ace than 2 pair.
@@FefeLeVrai oh good point about the blockers on the board, I wasn't thinking about how the rainbow effects suited hands
Desperation bluff, LOL
Bart, I played full time in LA, 5-10 from 2010-2019. CC, Bike, HG, etc
Cool
worried about 77 or A 3 any suited
"It's absurd" lmao fr. Just bet 125 on the flop lol. Fancy play syndrome strikes again.
This hand took way to long to review, bcuz the caller is more interested in explaining his thought process, than he is interested in learning from Bart. This caller would drive a poker coach crazy if he ever paid for lessons
it's not a character flaw. it's not like the caller is self absorbed and is only interested in himself. I think most people don't know how to talk about poker, let alone any subject that is being learned because even learning takes learning. a lot of people don't have experience in conversation where you're talking about something you know something about and also lack knowledge...and it's a live show so there could be nerves. i used to have verbal diarrhea and let my listener hear everything so they could get the full story and my thought process. it takes time, this guy gonna learn to shush and pay attention to what the mentor is paying attention to.
I'm terrible at knowing what to do against unpredictable, probably at least partially drunk, recreational players. I know the bad beats are seared into memory, but it sure seems that I lose more to runner-runner drawouts than I win by inducing marginal calls. Appreciate your instruction!
Bet your made hands. It’s that simple. Drunk people and fish don’t fold.
As far as suck-outs, 78% equity is just that. 78% equity is not 100% equity, it’s 78% equity.
During a hand, I ask myself "what range can I put this guy on" to which I often answer "I have no fucking idea!"
Lol, or at the end of the hand it's something like"hmmm...I had not included 8,3 off in his range that called my 3-bet"
Sometimes the terrible players get you, and sometimes it's nearly impossible to put them on a range... but God bless them (and their 8,3 and their backdoor gutshots). That stuff is why some of us can make money.
@@adamhammond9985 NOW you tell me. 😄
I’m pretty sure that when you cold 4bet you don’t put a5s into that range. You use hands like aq. Because you don’t have a 3bet flat range so it’s better to block QQ AA and have two overs to JJ-10s
The flop check may have gotten an extra $125 of value from the button, but likely lost $250 from the hijack. The caller displayed some fancy play syndrome by overthinking things way too much.
Need to employ the mute button more on some callers...
Great job,as usual. FYI my "Like" made it 800 on the nose! Lol
why is A3 or 33 not in consideration?
For someone who "thinks" about the game soooo deeply, nothing the caller said made any sense, and he himself admitted this throughout the call. Geez just let Bart talk, that is why you called isn't it.
OMG JUST STUFF IT IN DUDE this bet has to get called 3 times as often as the shove to be profitable and jesus you talk a lot
So did the AK WIN or not?
This is a great example of over-analyzing and over-theorizing a simple hand... just bet!
Its clear this player was putting at least one of fhem on kk or qq. So does "HE" fold the river if it came Q or K
@CrushlivePoker Hi Bart, great video as usual. I have been watching your videos for some three years now and I have been working on writing a programme for a solver. In the past you have often mentioned Top Section and solver work where you have considered GTO solutions.
My question is how exactly (do you understand) bet frequency is determined? Obviously, there is an inverse relationship between bet sizing and frequency, such that we use a large sizing at a low frequency - which, intuitively, makes sense; however, this does not explain how we determine the exact frequency.
For example, on a dry flop of KK5 rb it is clear IP has a range advantage over the BB and can therefore bet with a high frequency. Pio suggests betting 97.5% (mostly for a 40% sizing). The question is how does one determine 97.5% is the optimal bet frequency? (why not 100% or 90%, or any other reasonable percentage).
If anyone else knows feel free to contribute.
i'd make a c-bet of a bit over 1/2 pot against 2 villains here, hoping to get called by AT+ (perhaps suited with clubs or diamonds) and possibly smaller pairs for at least one street. betting 1/4 pot against 2 villains is asking for trouble, and you might get put into a bad spot if one of them blasts it.
If you bet 1/4 pot and one of them blasts on this flop I’m snap calling.
If they have the one combo of AA then gg. I’d discount AA even further tbh because why shove the flop? There’s no draws whatsoever so what hands are you afraid of?
@@nicks210684 button called 85 into 250+ pre, right?...he could have a suited ace or small pair, giving 2p or a set some of the time. i wouldn't be worried about the hijack.
i would probably call too, though. i'd just want to bet a little bigger versus 2 opponents, and i think that is pretty standard.
@@compteofficiel4112 seems very unlikely the button would 3 bet with 33. Maybe 77. And maybe he’s 3 betting light with A3 suited but again there’s only one combo and you’ve got outs vs that hand.
I’m still snap calling with TPTK and an SPR of like 1.5 going into the flop. I think this is a spot where you just have to be willing to go broke on the flop.
Otherwise what hands that you decided to cold 4-bet from the small blind are you actually continuing with? AA only?
Arizona casinos are now NL.
Check raise then jam on the flop
Me and this dude think so much differently I’m not sure which one of us is the fish. I’d 4bet to 175, not my ideal situation but given the cap and knowing you’re likely to get called because of it. That being said when someone raises to 15 which is 1/50 starting stack you have the odds to call with so many suited connector and aces I think the size is awful. The 3bet size is even worse because he gives the raiser odds to call with so many of his hands. Then with a bigger pot size which happens anyways in this case I’d always check and hope that someone might call down the delayed bets with a ace hoping I have kings. I don’t know man sounds like everyone is completely out to lunch this hand.
It was an easy double up had he played right
as played, have to check raise all in on that flop... otherwise bet flop then go from there, this guy is overthinking his hand, with the added info that these two guys he's up against are loose players...i'd def check raise that flop as played, but prefer to bet flop small value like and go from there
That hurt
Seems like trying to reinvent the wheel. 4-bet AKs, flop top top on the driest imaginable board, c-bet flop, jam turn, and then rake in the chips!
At 100bbs stack depth in a 4 bet pot multi way at low stakes, how the money doesn’t go in is beyond me with 2 callers. At that limit players just play the cards and don’t overthink so just exploit the shit out of them.
No way HJ had KK or QQ. At worst at worst AT, AJ is the likely hand imo.
You wish you could think as clear as Bart
Bet bet bet, that's it.
Checking AK on that flop sometimes for deception is perfectly fine
definitely a case of overthinking it...
When ya level yourself
Starting stack vs other stacks could of just ripped it in on flop
He could have been bad enough to have AX where X = 8.... ;)
May I respectfully make a suggestion for these videos? Having folks call in for a stream is great - it creates content and you get lots of fodder for analysis. But, for the YT videos, I think they'd play way better if instead of listening to your callers, we listened to you exclusively.
You could quickly & efficiently summarize the hand scenario, and eliminate the back & forth with your caller, get rid of misunderstandings, etc., and move on to the meat of the video - the hand problem.
I really dig your content so please do not take this feedback in the wrong way, I mean it only in the way that I think it could make your content even better.
Cheers!
These hybrid games have confusing structures.
I almost shut this off after two minutes lol
@@gordongoodwin6279 I shut it off before the flop lol
I think this guy played it fine, Bart was being overly critical. If the villian is a shitty player he could easily have called on the river without an ace.
"I want you to be as hard as you can be"
Uh....Ok. TMI?
Why is it always the worst players who call people “bad” and “recreational”. The way this guy thinks about his range and the hands is downright horrible, desperation bluff, and calling over calls with QQ lmao....
It's insane. No one is that bad at poker.
You called in, LISTEN.
is, is that... is, is that...
I couldn't hear what the pro was saying because of the rec player
Talk about overthinking the hand. This guy couldn't come up with proper bet sizes because he was trying to come up a thousand different hands that he could possibly have in this situation instead of what his opponents had. Bart tried to give h some clarification but all he seemed to want to is impress Bart and hear the sound of his own voice!!!
Okay I know CLP focuses on live poker, but as far as an MTT goes; are we ever not getting it all-in with AK? Is this a flip we should always be willing to take? Or are there spots we should be playing it down?
Money bubble/ICM not in consideration, fairly early in a tourney by the way. Little more context; Hero is 57bb effective. EP raises 3x, 1 caller, hero in the CO with AKo 3bets to 10bb, folds to original bettor who rips 60bb in, I call (he has QQ and we do not improve and get stacked).
Hero doing too much haha. I get what he’s trying to do but A is calling as played.
So tilting hearing this guy blabber on.you have more patience than me bart
I want you to be as hard as you can be, Bart.
That's what she said. Or he, in the case of this young Padawan
He can bluff 45s. That is about it.
No impossible that HJ calls wo an Ace, the player of this hand is thinking too much for no reasons. If they are bad they are going to call AJ,AQ river even though u have no bluffs they dont pay enough attention to what happened on the play (4bet overcalling on A73), he is just seeing the immediate strentgh of his hand on this specific board (really dry).
Guy on the phone needs to listen more and talk less. Thanks for the video, Bart!
“You WOULD fold Kings or Queens here?”
Is this a serious question dude... 🤦♂️
Why couldn’t you turn kings into a bluff?
Classic example of caller thinking opponents are terrible when he is the terrible one
Facts
Nah he played the hand fine
OMG nice guy but totally over thinking a hand that plays itself. I disagreed with every street, no way he had KK,QQ ,JJ. sorry, that was cathartic tho. Ava good one!
River shove all day. The caller justifying his weak ass bet on the river because he blocks most of their aces is a classic example of players overthinking blockers.
I don’t think the caller was out of line as a know-it-all, but agree they are overthinking the spot.
The whole volume bet discussion is a bit off. In a normal NLH game, you get to cbet a lot because you have a range or nut advantage. That’s not the case here because their ranges are uncapped due to the inability to 5bet. I don’t think you can bet too often OOP into what should be two pretty strong ranges.
If you're playing luck bucket Texas Hold 'Em, the only thought process you need to have is "let me get lucky tonight". There is no "right way" to play AK in any position because the people at the table add multiple variants up the wazoo!
Hey Bart. Only saying this because I care about ya, how come your neck looks red a bruised. if there isn’t a reason for it and it’s mysterious to you, I’d go get it checked out. Could be lymphoma or something serious. I hope it’s nothing though man!
I appreciate you looking out for me but there is a more innocent explanation for this. I usually shave once a week, quickly immediately before the call-in show. Especially during the pandemic!
@@CrushlivePoker Ahh okay good! Thanks for the great content as well man
Wonder why you get called. Most of the time it seems a caller only wants to get (a) justification for his actions or ideas and be praised for what he did. Bart, please instruct your callers to listen, answer the questions you ask them, and not to analyze.
Why does a caller tell the situation in his case is very different and that's why his strategy is better, if he wants your opinion?
Why do we have to listen to a caller who comes up with stories and strategies that are the opposite of what he is doing?
Probably the reason you only get man to call you. No woman would do this.
Bruh if you're calling to ask an expert, let him talk. shhhhh
Villain has AX. So obvious. Shoulda shipped it...
Dudes thinking way too hard for a standard spot in a $5bb game
I just cannot get used to listening to callers who think they are Bart's clones. Hard to go around talking so much theory while butchering hands.
A lot of bad players call in to him.
I WANT YOU TO BE WHAT?
What we learned in this video: dumb people talk a lot.
This guy sounds like scared money. Bought in as a short stack, 4-bets tiny and can't explain why, admits he should bet flop but then checks, finds himself in an awful spot on the turn that could have easily been avoided, then bets $200 into $750 leaving himself with $200 behind for.. what exactly? Some for the road in case he's beat? Beat by what?