One of the MOST Misunderstood Concepts in Poker

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  • A great call-in hand that demonstrates one of the most misunderstood concepts in poker which is you can have a very strong hand on the river from out of position and the correct play is to check fold.
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  • @CrushlivePoker
    @CrushlivePoker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    How often do you get into a situation at the on the river when the correct play is to check fold from out of position due to your opponents’ low bluffing frequency?

    • @bogo5716
      @bogo5716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How do you build your call/fold frequency? Is it number of missed (likely) draws he could have > number of value hands, therefore call?

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Probably a few times a session (4-6 hrs).
      Problem is half the people at my regular table are capable bluffers… so ya pick your battles…
      This was great food for thought while facing multiway flops where the middle player calls with position player behind…

    • @PatrickA1
      @PatrickA1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes but how often should someone be overbetting the turn to check fold the river?

    • @408ChessMaster
      @408ChessMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With top top, too often

    • @hammer729
      @hammer729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always hate this spot. It pains me to do the right thing. Sometimes I don't out of stubbornness and learn the lesson again. Easy to fold against the nits though.

  • @nohalfmeasures6
    @nohalfmeasures6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Bart nailed the check/fold check/win line.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yep that is the only way to play it. most players will look at the pot though and either jam or bet like the caller did because they are "scared of getting bluffed".... look at the board and how the hand went down... WHAT EXACTLY are you ever getting BLUFFED by here??
      Bart broke this down magnificently.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and of course what worse hand are you going to get called by for value on this river? This is just not a 3 street hand at all.

    • @modestomouso1234
      @modestomouso1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Haanski the only worse hand I can see calling is exactly KQ. I like a x/f here as well.

    • @Gos1234567
      @Gos1234567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Haanski Yes Hero here is not thinking at all,he said ill get bluffed at by draws just because he sees a missed flush draw out there but forgets he has AKdd and a few flush draws actually now make staights,others make pairs that will just check back.Not thinking about what worst hands will call the bet either.Very lazy play really

    • @DoctorChained
      @DoctorChained 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@modestomouso1234 Why would KQ call the flop? Not even a gutshot.

  • @jamesmorphis8044
    @jamesmorphis8044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This was one of my favorite call ins! Such an amazing example of value owning yourself, with very very few hands that can call a bet for value. Thanks so much!!

  • @joshuan1991
    @joshuan1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I think the turn is the real trouble street in this hand. I think once you pick up SDV it can be smart to go into pot control mode. Top pair top kicker isn't usually going to win a huge pot on a dynamic board like this, especially when you block a lot of the draws. For that reason I sometimes like playing nut flush draws, especially AK/AQ a bit passively OOP. When you play them like semibluffs you can end up in a tough spot in a bloated pot when you back into top pair.

    • @chevy11786
      @chevy11786 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed.

    • @jennky8447
      @jennky8447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I disagree. I think the K is the obvious best hand here vs his Jx capped range and betting turn for value will net the most profit since he's unlikely to fold his Jx. What would be the plan for the river if the diamond hits, seems too face-up to check turn then lead river or check-raise the flush - he's also very likely to check back w/o a flush himself.

    • @joshuan1991
      @joshuan1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't think you need to just check the hand down, we can definitely get more value from Jx. I don't think we are getting 3 streets though, especially with the size that the hero chose. I'd probably either go smaller or check the turn, looking to bet thin on most rivers if he checks back.

    • @dblackoutx
      @dblackoutx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love blocking the draws

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuan1991 i agree with you here. I don't hate the idea of checking the turn here OOP.... but I kind of like a smaller bet if we are to bet. And then with the river coming as it is we can check/fold or check/re-eval

  • @samuelnemetsky4088
    @samuelnemetsky4088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    "Your opponent would have to understand what you are doing to overbet". So true.

    • @408ChessMaster
      @408ChessMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      At lower stakes especially, some ppl just aren't sensitive to bet sizing

    • @chuck55545
      @chuck55545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Overbetting turn would be torching money so hard imo. You don’t need to charge draws as you have the NFD, and you want all of the marginal holdings to call you. You’re allowing Villian to correctly fold so many hands you are crushing that would easily call a 1/3 pot bet.

    • @sickwitit5745
      @sickwitit5745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ya don't try at lower stakes lol

    • @garygwinn5818
      @garygwinn5818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not at 1-3

    • @draewilly
      @draewilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If we overbet turn it would have to be a jam we only have 2x pot also. Bart obv had a brain fart even considering an ob

  • @Snowridertn
    @Snowridertn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I watched this video yesterday. I've been playing online for a couple hours and a spot very similar to this just happened to me. So thank you, because your words just flashed into my mind as I was raising, I paused for a second and checked. Then opponent bet and I was like "you have the best hand most of the time, but what can he bet with that you beat? Nothing". So I folded, and the guy showed rivered two pair. So again, thank you, you saved me some bucks

  • @chuck55545
    @chuck55545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think I like the c/f strategy. So many 2P in his range (which he might not even value bet but would call a bet with). If you jam river you’re turning your hand into a bluff imo.

  • @BobWhoosta1
    @BobWhoosta1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very nice hand analysis. This is something I do often, checking when I'm sure I'm ahead most of the time he checks, but behind most of the time he bets. Usually it's exploit based, and I balance checking to an overly aggressive player and calling down light. It's good to remember hand ranges because they can help isolate situations where you have a range advantage overall, but not against his call/bet/raise range.

  • @jeremythevirushuang6303
    @jeremythevirushuang6303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Geez, I’ve watched you Bart play live streamed poker for a few years. This clip here truly shows how good you are. 🙌

  • @davidbirkes7308
    @davidbirkes7308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I play with a guy so loose that if he flats pre when I raise it might as well be a limp and another guy that is so tight it might as well be a 3 bet lol

  • @GCP963
    @GCP963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I liked this call a lot. Giving up is an underutilized strategy when you're holding a hand that blocks a lot of missed draws. It might seem exploitable by bluffs but that's what happens when you're holding the exact hand that bluffs would be targeting in the spot--sometimes they get through.

    • @408ChessMaster
      @408ChessMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, and this shows again how hard it can be to play marginal made hands like top top out of position

    • @peterdawson3536
      @peterdawson3536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Making big folds is a huge part of winning NLHE. Big calls are sexy but the real money is made when you fold hands others will call with when the cards are reversed.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes this was one of Bart's greatest calls of all time IMO. A lot to be taken away from this hand... even for someone who has been playing the game for 20 years now, and while this is a concept I feel like I have certainly learned at one point in my poker career... it def was a HUGE benefit for me to watch this video.
      It really is not too complicated a concept either... but it is one that can easily be overlooked even by players like myself who have been playing for years. Great job Bart!

    • @Gos1234567
      @Gos1234567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@peterdawson3536 Yea i look back at lots of losing sessions and its the calling too much that let me down 90% of the time,even when GTO would call for it,you know they have you beat,even with online play.The public definetly underbluffs

    • @peterdawson3536
      @peterdawson3536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Gos1234567 If you play as a professional (play to win money)some of the best sessions I have had were losing sessions where I folded correctly most of the time. I think it's important to not judge how you played based on results either way. We can all run hot or cold even when making the correct decisions.

  • @stevezagieboylo9172
    @stevezagieboylo9172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why this is the best vlog on TH-cam for poker education. You have a better than 50% chance of having the best hand, but you should check with plans to fold. I agree, intellectually, but I'm not entirely sure my gut is willing to apply it at the table. I'm marking this one to listen to again in a few weeks.

  • @grinding553
    @grinding553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bart, listening to you bring this kid to school about the hand ranges on the river was like poetry to my ears

  • @Michaelperry1985
    @Michaelperry1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work Bart! Great video as usual

  • @felixrojas2575
    @felixrojas2575 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bart we need more videos like this were you are giving us like tough love. We need it brother.

  • @Johnny-ru5sm
    @Johnny-ru5sm ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good advice Bart, like your thinking on this hand alot

  • @blaiseeltine9516
    @blaiseeltine9516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent analysis. .thx Bart

  • @albertwang6465
    @albertwang6465 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg I finally understand Bart and predicted his suggestion. Andrew Brokos is such a good teacher

  • @ablair2794
    @ablair2794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can’t see myself getting into that situation often. It was a stack management problem from beginning to end.
    1) The big 6x reraise from the small blind preflop always puts you in a tricky situation on the flop. Don’t do it at low stakes.
    2) The flop bet was unnecessarily large. Low limit players fold a lot of flops when they miss, regardless of bet size. No need to go big.
    3) The turn bet was where this really went wrong. The opponent has already shown that he is sticky as heck, so once again, it is better to keep the size small and see a river.
    4) The river is awful. Check/fold at this pot size, check call if the pot was managed properly and is smaller. A half stack bet into a pot four times the size looks scared as heck. Easy call for the opponent.

  • @lewskaanen812
    @lewskaanen812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So villain wakes up with the Holy Grail of sneaky suited connector hands, takes a play out of Negreanu-old-school-small-ball-ism, calls anything just to see a flop, with the intention of hanging on to the bitter end if he flops anything whatsoever.
    Seems legit :)

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤣
      And somehow, sometimes, it is

  • @nathanielmorgan3592
    @nathanielmorgan3592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In theory, we're probably supposed to call down low frequency even blocking diamonds. However, a double flatter is unlikely to be playing balanced ranges and will likely check back all the missed draws that paired up, so we can exploit fold here. Def not folding AK no diamond.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      valid points here. Yea I think AK no diamond is a check call... with the Diamonds it is a clear check/fold especially at this level as bart explained.

    • @PhilipJReed-db3zc
      @PhilipJReed-db3zc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In theory Bart's/your logic makes lots of sense. However, it presumes either that our opponents are playing roughly like we would or that their deviations are highly predictable ways. Sometimes that's true.
      But as Bart said, we're already "off the rails" with the preflop action! We have to put ourselves in the mindset of someone who would double-flat, and we can make some guesses, but they're fuzzy guesses because of the situation. Would they ever play KQo offsuit or even AKo like this preflop? Hard to say, because they're playing so differently from us AND even from "standard villains."
      Then the fuzziness compounds on each street. Would they call the flop with something silly like naked QT? Bart explains why they should be playing tightly facing a bet with a 3rd player yet to act, but do they know this? Would they ever call twice and then bet KQ for value? or turn a ten into a bluff? or just bet something like AJ because they don't know what they're supposed to do and checking it down seems weak?
      None of these is all that likely in isolation, but taken together, they produce quite a bit of uncertainty in hand reading. Even if I could recreate the logic of this video at the table, it would be hard to fold AK getting 3:1 with the fuzziness of the read.
      Anyway, excellent hand discussion, one of the best TH-cam CLP videos I've seen so far.

  • @czechpirc3212
    @czechpirc3212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stating the obvious here but these spots with AK or KQ flush draw that bricks usually plays face up when arriving at the end due to removal of bluff combos whether you have value on the board or not, fantastic vid of a common situation, thanks Bart, awesome breakdown

  • @ericanderson4201
    @ericanderson4201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Caller is not aware or not admitting he bet the river because he didn’t want to check. He wasn’t putting his opponent on a hand he just didn’t know what to do.

    • @BobWhoosta1
      @BobWhoosta1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, it's rare that the callers have actually done a hand range analysis based on the action of the entire hand, either by the river or by the time of the phone call.

  • @Duderz
    @Duderz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great coaching here. Seemed like a spazz 1-3 game

  • @royalbarbertv1038
    @royalbarbertv1038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what type of camera do you use for your videos?

  • @roos698
    @roos698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why was nothing mentioned about the villain’s play style or table image? Or did I miss it? That’s key info.

  • @evankraabel5415
    @evankraabel5415 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think its correct to check-call on the river, because your opponent only has to be bluffing 25% of the time (as well as possibly value owning himself with KQ) to make it a profitable call. They could easily be putting you on Jx of diamonds and try to get you off it at the end. With such a low SPR on the river, it wouldnt make sense for you to jam into him with a jack trying to get him off a king, but it does make sense for him to try that.

  • @jack42011
    @jack42011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the insight into the three handed flop!!!
    Lot of multi-way play in the lower stakes and I am thankful for a new angle on the situation.
    More food for thought to nibble on as I up my game.

  • @no1ghostrider
    @no1ghostrider 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah really like this 1. It's always tough when it bricks out. I was thinking maybe 9/7 of diamonds also, that's not going anywhere on the flop. But then is afraid of mostly AQ or maybe Q9

  • @jolaz69
    @jolaz69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This hand went off the rails with the 6x 3-bet before the flop. Then the very large c-bet into 2 people out of position. What could go wrong?

  • @montanapokerplayer2842
    @montanapokerplayer2842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great hand to review.

  • @jennky8447
    @jennky8447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent lesson Bart. I had to go back and look through my notes and think about this spot for a while, do some Flopzilla work - have yet to plug into the solver. Question about the river check-fold, don't you think some villains would bet/jam QdJd that is worthy of a call? What if the river were a Qc - would the strategy be the same?

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No no no no you are reaching here. Well... first of all I don't think Villain is jamming QJdd on this river if checked too... I know that I would think about it in that spot, but I know I would ultimately check... as would over 99% of people IMO. Also you just named ONE combo.
      Also if the river is a Qc I think that is basically the same thing here, that might actually even be worse of a card for us, or just as bad anyway. I think we are still winning most of the time on that card, but it is still a check/fold.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Either way... it of course HAS to start with a check.... if you want to go down the rabbit hole if your villain bets or if you have history with them.... maybe you want to hero them off, but I wouldn't advise it at all.
      With AK no diamond, or maybe 1 diamond than you can start working in some calls for sure. I think AKdd though just works too perfect as a check/fold line on this river.

  • @jdsteel61
    @jdsteel61 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    K crushes your 3b range so you should bet small size with a lot of your range, overbet is mainly used in polar spots for getting stacks in by the river, we don’t have an issue getting stacks in with 1/3 and pot ship river

  • @bkb04g
    @bkb04g 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont have PokerStove so i wonder what Akdd vs JTdd equity is?

  • @jackiesee1907
    @jackiesee1907 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: instead of betting flop, can we ever go for the check over bet jam here?

  • @dmitrit81
    @dmitrit81 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanx

  • @royston7579
    @royston7579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you think of blockbetting(20%) river to get a crying call from a J and if he raises we have an easy fold

    • @balcerz3
      @balcerz3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sound but have to balance and block bet nutted hands against certain opponents. If u only block in these scenarios u can be exploited by good players

  • @eshootziscrs2868
    @eshootziscrs2868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't help feeling like I'm hearing this hand at a drive thru speaker.

  • @davidbirkes7308
    @davidbirkes7308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    J 10 of diamonds?

  • @bsheaves
    @bsheaves 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is gotta be the epitome of “fifth street chicken” especially at these stakes. $1-3 players really aren’t bluffing enough on the river in this spot to worry about check folding the best hand. I’m curious whether the villain would have even have value bet his 2-pair if our hero checked the river considering he tank called 1/4 pot bet.

  • @deanbaker9031
    @deanbaker9031 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't get attached to what you have,and that beautiful flop draw. My biggest mistake in this same situation. Pre-flop : protecting my hand before the turn. The River hates me. I have lost having the best hand on the turn and end up folding or drowning after the river. Card attachment is dangerous.

  • @aaronmagee10
    @aaronmagee10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t pay attention to the poker concepts while Bart is wearing all that drip

  • @garygwinn5818
    @garygwinn5818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the betting line, until the river is sound. I like Bart's river strategy.

  • @PatrickA1
    @PatrickA1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's a tough hand but I am definitely checking the river.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly, it sucks but time to go into check and pray they check back mode lol

  • @eyeofchorus6313
    @eyeofchorus6313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Oh, I didn't know Tim Pool played poker.

    • @moneymikz
      @moneymikz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bart is no milquetoast fence sitter

    • @moneymikz
      @moneymikz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And if he brings that idiot Ian on the show I'm unsubbing

    • @pokermitten9795
      @pokermitten9795 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes it makes sense to call, raise, and fold. Its complicated.

    • @moneymikz
      @moneymikz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pokermitten9795 Nah that’s Doug Poolk

    • @eyeofchorus6313
      @eyeofchorus6313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pokermitten9795 nice hand

  • @terrybarrette9706
    @terrybarrette9706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Again j,10 of diamonds is an all the way to the river hand. And very playable in co position. If villain is a knowledgeable player he might put hero on an over pair or AK and play it tight with hero doing all the betting. So I agree check fold but I'm not sure I COULD fold with half my stack in the middle against one opponent. And that invested into a 1/3 pot

    • @chuck55545
      @chuck55545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JTdd, Q9dd, KJ, J8s or K8s (depending how loose villan is. River is a slam dunk fold imo. There are very few bluffs that get to the river, and we don’t even know if he’d pull the trigger on those. Good rule of thumb: how many of his value bets am I beating? If the answer is 0 usually fold unless you have a reason to think villain is over bluffing and you’re getting a good price.

    • @id10t98
      @id10t98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a 1/3 game and people are sitting down with $1200+. There isnt a lot of smart money at these tables.

  • @aaronli1240
    @aaronli1240 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not check raise turn?

  • @misclic2408
    @misclic2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    all these in usa casino?

  • @macmac9443
    @macmac9443 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    🤔Since he was going to commit his chips in the 1st place, I would have gone all in on the turn and maybe the opponent would have fold.💰 (He had 2 choices on the turn, check fold or go all in.)

  • @alphabett66
    @alphabett66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can overbet. A different and interesting strategy is to depol 50%. Hero has effectively all the kings on this card as he blocks 1/2 of the floats, and lowstakes players don't construct floating ranges properly. You can bet range on this card, as any reasonable polarized strategy on the flop has plenty of kings, and hero is running out of bluffs. The problem with over betting is stacks are extremely shallow with such a big bet on the flop, 2x all in is the only size that makes sense as an overbet, and hero doesn't have full combos of 88 and maybe no combos of 66.

    • @chuck55545
      @chuck55545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Overbetting turn is not the maximum EV play imo. I think something like 1/3 pot makes the most money long term.

    • @alphabett66
      @alphabett66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chuck55545 read the post again. You can, does not mean, you should. I explain why depolarizing is better.

    • @PhilipJReed-db3zc
      @PhilipJReed-db3zc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If the opponent is flat calling twice preflop, does that suggest their NLHE skill is such that they're hand reading at this level?

    • @alphabett66
      @alphabett66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilipJReed-db3zc It doesn't matter what his range is, we have effectively all the kings; even if he's floating too wide, he gets demolished on every other turn card.

  • @richardc3693
    @richardc3693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do they have 1-3 at the hard Rock?

  • @MitchM77
    @MitchM77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m just shoving the turn here.

  • @Noondroid
    @Noondroid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Caller didn't leave enough for a decent block bet even.

  • @rungod
    @rungod 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats up Crush?
    I don't know about anyone else but the hardest question that I battle with is, why can't i get myself to get up and a stay offline or off the table, esp when I'm up...
    and how do i get out of "tunnel gamble-vision" when I have a sizable bankroll on the table or even off the table?
    esp, how tf do i stop gambling and come to a realization that it's work and not play? I know the answer but why can't i kick it into gear with myself, I know i'm not the only one battling this self-scrutiny

  • @KenpachiPoker
    @KenpachiPoker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would a 57s bluff on the river?

  • @TopSpinWilly
    @TopSpinWilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sherlock Holmes man. I understand why I'm losing I don't have the deduction powers that you're showing and I need to learn. From Vancouver thanks man.

  • @YoItsBCsports
    @YoItsBCsports 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with bet sizing being too high. If you’re going to bet that high on the flop you have to be setting up a turn jam.

  • @klauseba
    @klauseba 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh wow, now that you explained it like that, on the river I guessed correctly that the opponent had JT of diamonds.

  • @1chance4life76
    @1chance4life76 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    check raise the flop probly would have end the hand..or check check flop then bet big on turn.

  • @cpasa798
    @cpasa798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would plaid the turn a check jam and the river a block bet fold if he check the turn

  • @Insanity-vv9nn
    @Insanity-vv9nn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    J10 K10 are veri likely his hand. Its Very often a hand most players call preflop on good position regardless of the player they are facing or the bet size they face. Most players dont realize that: "when he calls on the flop, he likely have a pair about half the time", they Just think: "oh I have a draw I won already"

  • @ytlongbeach
    @ytlongbeach 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good hand

  • @Jealod24
    @Jealod24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an instance where having a blocker isn’t as great as what some people think… yes, having the means you block the villain from having the kj in his hand, and that’s great, but you also have an ace, which means you’re blocking some of his draws and potential bluffs that you want him to have… you want him to AQ, or A10, or even AJ. And you also would love for him to have the bare ace of diamonds on the turn so he can bluff at a diamond on the river and you can stack him, so don’t forget that blockers go both ways and if you’re blocking cards you want him to have to bluff with or call with draws, that hurts you more than potential nutted hands

  • @evankraabel5415
    @evankraabel5415 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hero's river play was also good, IMO. Probably any K or good J will call 300, and if they raise for the last 300, youre never good.

  • @dougcronkhite2113
    @dougcronkhite2113 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bet sizing in post-flop situations like this is always my biggest struggle.

  • @matthewgary6843
    @matthewgary6843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the biggest fault by the caller is the flop action, as Bart mentioned, and because the flop does not work well with SB 3! range, leading out into two opponents for a large sizing isn't ideal. Check raising to a 1.2-1.5 SPR and jamming all non-board pairing turns would be a better line that has lower variance (of course we have to have info on opponents that is reliable that they would bet if checked to after flat calling the open and the 3! pre). Next worse was the turn bet because of the odd SPR it sets up on the river. As played, if H just open jams his 1.75 SPR stack from out of position, he's not getting called by worse and all draws are forced to give up their equity (the latter is not a bad result, as it lowers our variance and we make immediate profit). The river, as Bart mentioned, should be a check/fold as played, as a T is one of the worst cards that we can see with our opponent's range.

    • @jdearles1
      @jdearles1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      what hand worse than AK calls a turn shove? given that we have the nut flush draw and a blocker to broadway, what draws do we need to deny equity to?

    • @matthewgary6843
      @matthewgary6843 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jdearles1 I will edit that part of my comment to "not getting called by worse".

    • @jdearles1
      @jdearles1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aheroictaxidriver3180 7 outs on the turn is 15% equity. 3 outs is like 6-7%. shoving 1.75x pot to deny 5-15% equity when you are going to get called only by dominating hands (and w ~25% equity) is dumb. please keep doing it.

    • @jdearles1
      @jdearles1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aheroictaxidriver3180 on a KJ hi board KJ dominates AK

    • @jdearles1
      @jdearles1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aheroictaxidriver3180 Not if our bet size is 1.75x pot.

  • @gtaatmiami
    @gtaatmiami 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crazy that guy called these over bets with JT down to the river 😂 at i crazy for thinking that?

  • @karlseastrand7678
    @karlseastrand7678 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What I do not understand is why both humans and online software identify a check here on the turn as a large leak. IMO checking the turn is a good line for many reasons. First villains range has a lot of jacks in it and only has between 1 and 5 outs (AJo has 1 or 2,JTo has 5, JQs non diamond has 3 etc) when you give a free turn card so risk is acceptable!?? Considering the pre flop and flop action there are just not many hands in villains range with 8 outs on the turn. Also on non T,J,Q non diamond rivers (80%+ rivers) a river over bet should get called by most competent players holding a J, due to your turn check. Also it avoids getting shoved on (where you would have to call) when you bet the turn and he has better than one pair. BART or others, please PLEASE give me feedback on exactly why my logic is flawed in these spots. Much appreciated.

  • @liyexiang666
    @liyexiang666 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how does those people get to the river with such funny pot to stack ratio?

  • @bryantaylor9874
    @bryantaylor9874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haven't seen the outcome of the hand yet but against weak low limit players his pf limp call reeks of a small pocket pair set hunting. Bottom set is a definite possibility here.

  • @owenthomas9863
    @owenthomas9863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He told you his position, stack size and bet size and you got all three wrong. So my question is. What are you writing down ?

    • @Amilla18
      @Amilla18 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

  • @Unhingedanduninformed
    @Unhingedanduninformed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With his flop and turn bets he didn’t leave himself a ton of maneuverability on the river.

    • @chuck55545
      @chuck55545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another reason overbetting turn would be bad.

    • @scottjohnson6473
      @scottjohnson6473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you want to utilize large bets here, you’re better off check raise bombing the K on the turn. If he checks back then evaluate the river but check raising shows more strength than the large bet on turn and puts villain in much tougher shot

  • @jamestan4425
    @jamestan4425 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How if he have set on the flop

  • @joemoon5227
    @joemoon5227 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    JT of diamonds makes sense. Tough hand indeed!

  • @petergreen1597
    @petergreen1597 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time and time again, when you think you are ahead on flop or RIVER, don't let your opponent see the RIVER, if possible. Make him PAY. Then Prey !

  • @jamesdeppeler793
    @jamesdeppeler793 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think vs a villain who will flat flat pre, he can have almost any draw that didn't get there, and may likely bluff all those missed draws on the river.
    Checking to call IMO. Obviously it varies by opponent and i would expect to pay enough attention to know this specific opponent's tendencies. But lacking any other info, i would say population read is a lot of players will think they can bluff the river with their missed draws and will do so.

    • @jamesdeppeler793
      @jamesdeppeler793 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously it may be different if we are talking about someone who wouldn't flat flat pre. But that guy can have all the draws and when you check the river he sees his only chance to win and often takes it. I think there are a lot who play loose passive like this till you check the river and they see their only chance, at least at 1/3.

  • @KingDamn23
    @KingDamn23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you play at Parx in Bensalem? Possibly in the last 2 months. I feel like I sat with you or your doppelgänger

    • @thejollyllama1579
      @thejollyllama1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've played @Live in Philly. They have pretty good tourneys but now U have to wear a mask, so I'll pass

  • @408ChessMaster
    @408ChessMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I getting better at poker? The check-fold recommendation made perfect sense, predicted it as soon as the caller said he bet the river

    • @id10t98
      @id10t98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you kidding me? I'm shutting down any large betting after the flop bet of $160 gets called. Tossing a turn bet of $350 was by the Hero was sheer stupidity because had to know the Villain was not going anywhere after the flop call.

    • @408ChessMaster
      @408ChessMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@id10t98 agreed, if I'm playing that hand I never get to that river spot either

  • @kitbillion7783
    @kitbillion7783 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just size larger pre then check shove flop for 400bigs. We're not rly 400bigs effective and we might get it in vs dominated fd's and Jx might find herofolds. When we raise to 100 pre, get 2 callers we dont mind jf flop checks through. Tho if someone bets like 150-200 we shove we pick up 500pot uncontested sometimes and are always at least in decent shape if called. We might also induce some spazz bets from like 99 or 8x when we check flop which are definitely folding to our shove. That would be my prefered line. If flop checks through, bet turn, check/fold river. I dont like betting into 2people deep from upfront with a fd otf here. Its certainly not bad, but we can get into trouble with that line. At least more than with the check/shoving linr

    • @kitbillion7783
      @kitbillion7783 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say we're not 400bigs effective since its live and pots get larger. As we see in my example we only have 4SPR on the flop if we size to 100pre

  • @bigb1209
    @bigb1209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't tell you how many times this " unlikely" shit has happened to me. You could a jammed turn and won over a grand...instead you give em pot odds to get there and lose. So ends up being a $1000 loss instead of a $1000 win. Don't get greedy.

  • @SnoopDougg
    @SnoopDougg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Without listening to the end J10 of diamonds makes a lot of sense

    • @SnoopDougg
      @SnoopDougg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol yup i was right. 300 bet is so bad. check fold or check call is only play

  • @chrisbuchanan8579
    @chrisbuchanan8579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the Bart Favre live call-in show

  • @jacobnorman6242
    @jacobnorman6242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was thinking about jtdd at the beginning of the hand lol

  • @terriblebhop
    @terriblebhop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone help me with the overbet on turn concept? Please explain why villain, when holding jack, should defend when the turn card is a K. I would call an overbet while holding a J X diamonds or AJ off , but I’m having trouble understanding the logic if I’m holding a weaker J, like J10 or JQ with no diamond draw.Feels like I’m behind almost always here based off hero’s aggression on each action he’s taken.
    Thanks in advance

    • @bobbyschafer8517
      @bobbyschafer8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bart said villian would only call an overbet with Jx if they thought hero was repping a king (bluffing) since the king was better for the heros range. 1/3 players most likely not thinking this way, thats why he does not suggest overbetting this spot.

    • @sesloajit5185
      @sesloajit5185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Typically when the turn is an over-card (w/ an over card on the flop), it hits the raisers range (think about the hands that the raiser has) (AK, KQ, KJ). He has a ton of "nut" hands. In cases like that the raiser can typically overbet the turn because when the caller calls on the flop he has to fold some of his King high hands (he has only his Kx with backdoors that float against a small bet).
      An overbet signifies "you crush your opponents range". That forces him to defend his weaker hands like Jx. Otherwise the raisers bluffs just "kill" the callers range. As the only hands he is defending is KJ, sets and some great draws. That makes the Fold equity for the raiser bluffs go up in value making him over bluff the turn and give up on the river (that's a consequence but I digress).
      The flip side are boards that smash the callers range like 762 or 654 where the caller can x/r or raise a shit ton and you can overbet the turn depending on the cards.
      Boards like, Q26 K or Q69 A... etc are where you can typically find overbetting. Other boards are extremely dry boards w/ low connectivity. There are edge cases like blind vs blind or Bu vs Blind where the ranges are wider and range advantage isnt as pronounced.
      In this case Bart is talking about a 1/3 game where people dont care about protecting your range and he is facing a double flatter which typically doesnt happen in a good game.

    • @terriblebhop
      @terriblebhop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bobbyschafer8517 thank you.

    • @terriblebhop
      @terriblebhop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sesloajit5185 thank you for the detailed explanation. This made it click. Part of the issue is that I play a lot of 1-2 at my local casino and in almost all cases this strong of action on at every opportunity including an overbet on the turn means that person has a very very strong hand. Rarely would I ever see this line ran as a bluff at the games I play.

    • @pot_kivach160
      @pot_kivach160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sesloajit5185 who is raiser?

  • @jackiesee1907
    @jackiesee1907 ปีที่แล้ว

    He isn’t jamming J10 of diamonds because he blocks the diamond bluffs. Villain is in the same boat as hero just with a slightly stronger hand. There are too many straights, better 2 pair, and even sets to jam middle 2.

  • @forgotaboutbre
    @forgotaboutbre 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I suppose if you overbet the pot on the flop you can jam the turn, saving the tough river decision and forcing your opponent to suck out.

  • @houndearaudio
    @houndearaudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ohh dang look at Bart with that 5 o’clock shadow

    • @Kurtiskurtical
      @Kurtiskurtical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s not Bart. It’s a burglar!! 🍔

  • @mikerage1011
    @mikerage1011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bart most of the people who call in seriously don’t really understand what your saying. I hear it so much in their voices. I have played many times at the hard rock in cinci it’s a wild game. The 1-3. Which used to be the 1-2 is all over the place as far as what people play and call with there is seriously almost no advanced thinking in the games. Especially the 1-3.. u can pretty much get max value in any hand if the villain has top pair. Or 2 pair they seriously play so bad. But in this call the guy clearly didn’t understand what you were saying about blockers and what the villain could or shouldn’t have or what draws he didn’t have.

  • @corbinsmith50
    @corbinsmith50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello, I'm calling from my closet, under a blanket and I'm wearing a mask. I'm 1200 effective with villain.

    • @id10t98
      @id10t98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      smart money aint taking 400BB's to a 1/3 game...just sayn.

  • @davidwaVR
    @davidwaVR 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The other player was probably holding out assuming that each Queen was still in play

  • @guybrushthreepwood8174
    @guybrushthreepwood8174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim Pool gives pretty good poker advice👍

  • @conephompany
    @conephompany 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i disagree with the suggestion of a smaller flop sizing. i understand we gain pot maneuverability but our opponent gains a better price with a wider range. I think a larger sizing better defines both villains range, and we are edging them closer to a commitment decision. I think a larger size encourages folds from no gap suited connectors like 98, 87, 76, 65...potential trouble makers. Larger size also leans us toward winning outright OTF.

  • @offdabeatz
    @offdabeatz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dudes lucky to keep his stack. The turn sizing is just horrible. The river play is even worse.

  • @Benjiffy
    @Benjiffy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    15 likes, uploaded 12 minutes ago, 15 minutes long...
    Playback speed is a great option!

    • @ricknebiolo2694
      @ricknebiolo2694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a youtube premium subscriber and never knew you can play back a TH-cam video faster. Bart sounds OK at 1.5 speed!

  • @mattdatha
    @mattdatha 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bart's gone Riker's Island on us. ;)

  • @sunnohh
    @sunnohh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t understand how people can play this game. It’s harder than the stock market and has horrible odds. You can’t even break even on average… even talented poker players.

  • @JRL1999
    @JRL1999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    AB is a tough villain to see at the table

  • @pdxwilliam
    @pdxwilliam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In 1/3 why not put him on AQo? So call/fold on the river...

  • @ImMcChubby
    @ImMcChubby 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can’t see this hand playing out any other way once he calls the pre flop 3 bet, only thing he could’ve done to apply maximum pressure is to overbet jam the turn.

  • @fortunatusnine2012
    @fortunatusnine2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ?? Bypass the end problem entirely !! Go all in on the turn !! Have courage !! Trust in the poker gods !!