Sorry for rushing everyone, I was pretty excited to go over the hand. Hopefully this is a good lesson on how not to bet size! Thanks Bart for the great feedback.
Thank you for sharing, we are all here to learn, and poker is that one endeavor where one mistake clobbers you like no other activity other than boxing, lol.
@@bobbyd9319 it was from Monday’s live call in show. Bart always picks highlighted calls and uploads them with a moral of the story / lesson. You should know that by now if you follow him
@@thedealermusic I don’t follow him, but I saw this already. To me this is just laziness, fluff, filler. Easier to do than producing fresh content. Same content, twice in 3 days.
Really interesting one but I don't think there's a ton to learn post flop because we shouldn't ever be in this spot post flop. The valuable takeaway from this hand is showing how one mistake on an early street (in this case the sizing pre) can throw the entire hand off the rails and put you in terrible spot later down the road. The atrocious sizing pre made it almost impossible to accurately range the opponent.
I really enjoy these call ins. How many do you get per stream? I'm in awe that I never see it live when I go on TH-cam. Gonna have to start hitting that bell to remind me. Love ya bart
I usually do 3-5 per week. We live stream every Monday at 5PM ET. Subscribe and turn notifications on for sure! I always put up the live stream link to the show on Sunday night or Monday morning. --Bart
Fantastic reminder that every street in poker matters. I think river is Very close and I don’t blame caller at all for calling , nor would I blame them for folding
My guess was Q8h so I was pretty close. The flop raise to 1200 seemed like a made flush where he was afraid a 4th heart would come later and kill the action (at first I thought villain had a lower made flush like 67 or 78, but no one is shoving that on the River as a bluff with four hearts out there). And hero calling the 1200 made villain decide to set up a River shove with his turn bet.
I have turned lower flushes into bluffs in these types of spots many of occassions, i mean i get snapped off like 7/10 times but ive defently done it, just because it works like a merge, sometimes you just need to get out line depending on the game youre in. I've also made these types of plays against really good players, i mean like top 1% here in Sweden just because they are so good at reading people so they feel like im bluffing and then they call river with like a set or AK. In the long run its burning money but when im shot taking in games with wizards it sometimes works and it keeps them guessing, im getting crushed if i play GTO against them.
Stopped at 10:06 to say that villain is probably going to show up with precisely Q8hh surprisingly often... because of hero's way too small 3-bet preflop. Hopefully that gets covered.
He should be lol, he called in for advice, nothing personal. If he's routinely making these kind of sizing mistakes this is a gigantic leak that most winning players fix before they even get to 2/5...
Because it's so important. Once we screw up pre we let a crazy wide range into play. If we size correctly and dude still calls off Q7 then we can confidently reload knowing there's at least 1 person at the table that will pay us off.
Villians range is super wide opening from CO and calling the tiny 3-bet this deep. Flop raise is super strong obviously. When he get check/called on the turn Hero can very easy have Qh so I think Villian wouldn’t bomb river without it that often. Very clear fold on the river in my opinion.
I would also call, but I will say that Hero's hand is almost face up by the river. Calls the flop raise, calls the turn bet - indicative of a weak flush. So I would be doubtful that the river jam is a bluff - like I said I still call as villian is repping the thinnest value possible.
This is a great hand to analyze. Aside from the preflop mistake here, when the villan jams with "potentially" 3 hearts that would beat a hand like 8x of hearts... I donno, that's a huge bluff to run...
Bart, Still watching the video but paused to say I really appreciate your explanation of a blocker bet being used in places other than the river. I want to ask, does the cut offs small sizing on the turn act as a blocker for the river? Does it serve the same purpose of getting worse to continue and better to fold, or just call? Im still at the turn in the video so maybe you answer the question later. In similar reasons, all down bets are blocker bets. Whether they induce, limit, or threaten. Sometimes it's thin value, we blocker bet against getting no value, bluff, or suggest just a call. Unfortunately this is seemingly a pretty polarized spot. The Q blocks all the nut hands except 45, 52, 24. I don't think we have those really. As you said, the pre flop sizing mistake compounds at the flop, turn and river. Increasing the pot with fewer chips per player and changing the dynamic variables with each additional player getting a good implied price with position. Paused again on the river after the shove. This seems like a fold except this looks like pocket tens . I hope we called or find out.
BART’s bafflement by people playing imperfectly is exhausting. There are plenty of players who won’t 4bet with AQ off, KQoff, even QJo, and even QQ. I mean, look at the result. Villain had Q7 lol. Players playing less than perfectly is why we play the game. To not adjust to their imperfections is a major leak.
"This card fucked you." Yup. QhXo pulls ahead with the checkmark. 8h7h or a set thinks he's now fucked and doesn't (shouldn't) continue. Now back to reality, this card should've saved H. It's so hard to put V on his actual hand, but a discipline fold was in order.
Fold pre. And on the rare occasion you decide that playing jack high for a raise in the worst position at the table is a good idea, then for sure raise enough that you have a shot to take it down pre. But mainly just fold pre.
Dayum.. As this dragged on i was 100% we had the best hand. i thought he was a little hard on the initial sizing, but it was right. Crazy, you were coolered either way.
Don't like the preflop raise. J9s is a call vs a raise all day long , especially if there are multiple callers. From the BB, you should be raising with your absolute best hands and a few blocker bluffs, but that's more against one caller to iso. Otherwise, pretty brutal spot.
Crazy hand that ended exactly the way i thought it would. I love Bart's logic but even at higher stakes people are not playing even close to optimal. Somebody could certainly have AQ with the Q of hearts. They dont have to 4 bet that hand. They should 4 bet it but a lot of people dont. The small 3 bet brings all kinds of trash in to play. When people shovel large amounts of money in to the pot willingly they seem to have it a lot of the time.
I would argue that the Ah could have actually saved him: I have a very hard time to come up with any reasonable bluff or weaker value bet hand here, after Villain`s flop raise. - Or. would Villain ever turn a set with TT into a bluff on the river?!
One under discussed item: opponent might call because opponent is thinking that it is very very hard for the Hero to have hearts here. 2 pair and sets will call all in for that reason potentially
The skill level displayed in this hand is concerning (near disturbing) given the stakes. And this applies to all players involved (with the possible exception of BTN)
@@bobbyd9319 would be more of the player then the hand. I have a guy at my game that is like 85 and literally LITERALLY only raises nutted hands. He has a queen of hearts guaranteed lol
Bart focussed a lot on how hard it is to give V the Qh - no discussion of what hands raise flop and then bluff turn and river, QJ no heart? Really hard to find bluffs
Absolutely brutal. The only hands that make sense is him flopping a Q high flush (which is unlikely as discussed on the call) or QJo with the Qh. Can anyone really fold the second nuts to that? Yikes.
Yeah, I was surprised QhJx didn't get mentioned more. I thought for sure that's what it was going to be. Seems more likely to get here this way than villian's actual hand.
@@DriveFast_FlyHigh My thoughts on that Chris are just that QhJx wants to see lots of turns and doesn't want to get 3bet on the flop so they might just call on the flop a lot. Maybe I'm totally off base but I think that's calling a lot more on the flop than raising.
Guys, this is a lesson hard learned in NL2 : no matter how fracked up hand he needs to crush you, when vilain tells you he has it, believe him :D Huge setup though, you can't escape this one.
That hand was off the rails. I don’t understand how the caller got to these stakes without realizing 450 would be much much much too small especially with a hand you want to get folds pre with
@@RangeWilson the caller is 22, it was inferred he was a for profit player that just moved up in stakes from 5-10. But thank you for letting me know how poker rooms work
@@terrysword7739 idek how he's a winning player at 5-10 if he makes such egregious sizing mistakes like this. but nothing against him, seems like a nice guy
I feel the 4 flush board is so under bluffed when both players could easily have the nut flush card, for the villain to be bluffing he would likely be turning a flopped 2 pair or set into a bluff when it’s very possible the hero could have the Queen of hearts.
21:02 What's your MDF range? Because if you're folding a Jhigh flush here, that means it's in the bottom 50% of your range. So what 50% of hands are at the top of your range? This spot just seems extremely exploitable if you're folding here. If the dude assumes you mostly have AA or KK, he's bluffing often.
Bart I really disagreed with your preflop analysis about the CO continuing range to the 3-bet. A good player in the cutoff is going to be opening basically every Qxs hand, and I don't see why they wouldn't continue for another 300, even with the other players behind. They have position on the 3-bettor with a lot of money behind and the button is probably not an aggressive player. Assuming the button and small blind call the CO is basically getting 5:1 preflop to call. I wouldn't be surprised is the cutoff also showed up here with QhJx or QhTx. If the caller is making preflop sizing errors this bad, I don't see how the CO can fold anything given the price.
Agreed. I think a lot depends on the BTN/SB player types. If they're weak/passive then the CO is literally never folding to the 450 (nor should he). Even if the BTN is a good player, the CO has to imagine he's gonna get to see the flop for 300 more because a back raise 4 bet from BTN/SB would make zero sense. In an LP config they are virtually never trapping a strong hand by flatting the initial open.
Q7hh calling a 3bet with 2 players behind? What u expect to hit playing this hand in multi-way pot? If it is heads up, calling Q7hh with position might be ok if u are confident that u can outplay your opponent post flop but calling 3bet with Q7hh is a losing play long term be it u are a good or bad player. If the hero were to make it to 900-1050 pre instead of 450, the Q7hh will not even be in the hand post flop. If u label the player playing Q7hh is a good player, then a good player or a pro would never ever wish to play a multi way pot OOP, this hand he is in the CO and the BTN called his 150 raise initially. so to sum it up, if the CO is a good player, he would have either 4bet to iso the HERO (if he thinks he can outplay HERO post flop) or fold to HERO 3bet. To sum it up, this hand is play badly by HERO preflop for misclicking the 3bet sizing and CO is either a leisure player or a fish player.
Bart is just way too nice of a guy! I get that he pointed out the bet sizing errors, with 3 betting too small pre, and not 3 betting the flop, but on the turn, the one and only correct response was, "I agree it's a weird spot, but that's because you fucked up." When you flop the third nut flush, you want ALL the money in as soon as humanly possible! Down betting on the flop was terrible, and not 3 betting the flop was worse. You got extremely unlucky, but you can't be results oriented. Next time, you're gonna leave a TON of money behind.
Interesting hand. Think this river is a fold most of the time. Villain would have to turn a set or two par into a bluff. When do you ever see that ? The flop action is the give away
Really interesting spot. I'm shocked Bart didn't have more to say about choosing to squeeze this combo preflop aside from the sizing. This just seems like a standard flat pre, no?
@@DavidSmith-lj1yz I mean on the flop. Preflop im good at. Its just postflop, I dont even think about 3-betting, i think if someone raise my only option is to just call.
That's the thing. With such a small raise pre flop it's very hard to put v on a correct range. If we raise enough and get called we can put v on a range of hands. If flop favors our range we can lead out and bet say half pot. If not we can opt to bet less or not at all. If we are going to be checking sometimes we should check our super strong hands as well. The problem is we have very little idea what v range is since we priced in almost any 2 cards by 3 betting so small pre. I'm just learning so I'm sure if I'm mistaken here someone will speak up. Good luck.
I don’t really know how you can calls unless you have a big live read on the guy. He has plenty of Qh here (All KQ, QJ, and probably Q10 plus apparent suited Queen rags). Since he never has a lower flush, it seems like a totally naked bluff by villain is overly optimistic by the turn and psychotic on the river. Feels bad to fold the second nuts, but I honestly don’t see how you’re really ever good. If you don’t have the 9h you just snap it off with a smile on your face.
ooofff. hero had the best hand the villain could've possibly hoped for and it just got worse as it played out. I'd have loved forr bart to field a call from the villain about this exact same hand (ie role reversal), and hear what he'd say from that side of the table.
before i see the ending, here is my prediction: the Turn bet of $1200 is entirely too cheap and if Villian puts Hero on a Set while holding the nuts. he'd charge way more. If he thinks hero has AK with no heart, the turn bet makes sense, but the river bet doesnt. Which leads me to believe Villain flopped a smaller flush, top two pair, a set of 3s.
"...and check the river and you just sort of hope it goes check check" Except if it does go check check, then hero always wins, and in that case you would've wanted to bet, but then a bet would probably fold out everything worse, but if villain bets river, you hope it's a bluff or value own, but you can't fold 2nd nuts. Kinda along for the ride after the turn whatever happens. What about a donk block bet on the river that could be called by worse, and if you get jammed on can you fold? Villain raising a donk river bet as a bluff would be suicidal so most likely only Qh...
Hey Bart I’m curious of your opinion as someone currently deriving all of my income at encore 2-5 and 5-10.. in my opinion it’s an Easy live exploit muck on the turn. This turn decision is one of the best examples when to depart from hand reading or even thinking about previous action.. with that large or spr with the second nuts when the nuts is 1 card and no redraw on said nuts. Why put all that money in in that situation. There’s definitely going to be to be much better spots for my 5 g’s…I think this is a good example of analyzing the action to figure the incomplete info when really it’s such a marginal spot if you think you have an advantage in the game why give the suckers that kind of action.
Reminds me of chip Reese’s story about raising a vip back like 20times to get it all in on 4th st against an obvious pair of aces. The moral was why give a someone way less skilled than u a 50 50 spot..
if he 3-bets to 8-900, Q7 is getting out of there and we're either winning the hand on the flop or taking down all the dead money pre-flop. lesson learned.
If villain doesn't have Qh when he shoves on the river, then that means at best he's 4th nut when hero can easily have a one card made hand with either a Qh, a Jh, or a 9h to beat him from the BB range. That's ballsy. However hero is smelling as being weak too. I think that you just need to assess your opponent...if he's a normal player he almost always has the Qh. If he's a maniac maybe he's levelling you trying to get you to fold your Jh or 9h. I'm leaning to a fold (this is before you show the final outcome).
Its a fold, because he was raising for value on the flop. You bet too small and leveled yourself thinking he was stealing, but he also has someone behind him to act. And you called so could put you on a flush draw set or maybe two pair and some flushes. When he bet the same bet on the turn, you should raise and then fold to avoid having to call a river shove if that's what you are afraid of. Even donk lead.
Hey Bart I'm sure you are well aware that live poker players play terrible on every street yes even at this blind level and they CAN definitely show up with AQo KQo Q8s Q7s Q5s Q2s all day long. Expecting people to show up with constructed ranges in live poker could really cost you big time.
reminds me of the second-best poker advice I ever got (well really like 50th behind the 49 times I had to be told to stop calling so damn much): never assume without evidence that a player is not loose
QhJ or Ahx was most likely on flop. The turn bet was the clearest "I've got the nuts" bet there in in poker. He bets the same when Ah comes, which leave if you call a half pot bet on river. What hand can call on that turn and fold river getting 3:1? NONE. That's why he bet so small. He wants your call Turn, which guarantees a river call.. Ipso facto - he has the nuts 💯
Most overused poker phrase used to be “this is so sick”. Fast forward to modern day poker and the most overused poker phrase is “this is such a weird spot”. Every time I hear “this is such a weird spot”, I cringe. It’s said constantly to the point where it has no meaning. Edit: Just a random rant.
As you said Bart, hero's misread of his preflop situation that resulted in his incorrect raise cost him dearly. He rushed through the hand like he did the call to you 😁
My first guess was pocket queens w the queen of hearts, or queen 8 of hearts. He messed up w his bet sizing preflop.. proper 4x he wouldn’t have even seen the flop guaranteed
Sorry for rushing everyone, I was pretty excited to go over the hand. Hopefully this is a good lesson on how not to bet size! Thanks Bart for the great feedback.
started feeling bad for you on the turn...LOL. Bart was roasting you!
@@shadycat7 roasting or teaching?
You weren't rushing too bad- Great hand, good luck to you in the future
You did fine. Interesting hand, enjoyed listening to it.
Thank you for sharing, we are all here to learn, and poker is that one endeavor where one mistake clobbers you like no other activity other than boxing, lol.
Bart: "He's never going to show up with that hand if you make it a more normal 3bet size preflop".
Texans: "Hold my beer"
lol! true
Hahaha true. But more so in 1/2 and 2/5, prob still a stretch for 10/25/50.
lmaoo fr
This hand is the answer to the question "Do preflop mistakes really affect later streets?"
is the main reason why ppl lose money on cash games... specially online
Bart: "the small blind folded??"
Legit lol
After this hand, this guy will forever go 10x with every 3-bet 😀
😂😂😂
Straight to the point, love it! Wish every caller would understand that they are calling for Bart's help and not to tell Bart how to play.
Didn’t I just see this same hand a couple of days ago. Yikes
@@bobbyd9319 dude...
@@CrushlivePoker really? Dude! That’s your answer ? Did I not see this last week?
@@bobbyd9319 it was from Monday’s live call in show. Bart always picks highlighted calls and uploads them with a moral of the story / lesson. You should know that by now if you follow him
@@thedealermusic I don’t follow him, but I saw this already. To me this is just laziness, fluff, filler. Easier to do than producing fresh content. Same content, twice in 3 days.
Man if Bart's tilted by the preflop action on this hand I'm never calling in a hand from my local casino. His head will explode 😅
What's your local casino?
@@wizard3117 🤣
The logic doesn't make sense. Nobody is folding to a bet that small
Texas?
Just shows how early action dictates the end result, great analysis.
Really interesting one but I don't think there's a ton to learn post flop because we shouldn't ever be in this spot post flop. The valuable takeaway from this hand is showing how one mistake on an early street (in this case the sizing pre) can throw the entire hand off the rails and put you in terrible spot later down the road. The atrocious sizing pre made it almost impossible to accurately range the opponent.
The preflop in this hand is the most bizarre thing...you see this stuff at 1/2.
no you dont.
1/2 the guy 3-betting has QQ+ or AK. guy calling may have Q7s but yeah no one 3-betting J9s from blinds/early position at 1/2
I can't believe people play this way at these stakes.
I really enjoy these call ins. How many do you get per stream? I'm in awe that I never see it live when I go on TH-cam. Gonna have to start hitting that bell to remind me. Love ya bart
I usually do 3-5 per week. We live stream every Monday at 5PM ET. Subscribe and turn notifications on for sure! I always put up the live stream link to the show on Sunday night or Monday morning. --Bart
With villians perceived tight image, I was thinking fold as early as turn.
Fantastic reminder that every street in poker matters.
I think river is Very close and I don’t blame caller at all for calling , nor would I blame them for folding
My guess was Q8h so I was pretty close. The flop raise to 1200 seemed like a made flush where he was afraid a 4th heart would come later and kill the action (at first I thought villain had a lower made flush like 67 or 78, but no one is shoving that on the River as a bluff with four hearts out there). And hero calling the 1200 made villain decide to set up a River shove with his turn bet.
I have turned lower flushes into bluffs in these types of spots many of occassions, i mean i get snapped off like 7/10 times but ive defently done it, just because it works like a merge, sometimes you just need to get out line depending on the game youre in. I've also made these types of plays against really good players, i mean like top 1% here in Sweden just because they are so good at reading people so they feel like im bluffing and then they call river with like a set or AK.
In the long run its burning money but when im shot taking in games with wizards it sometimes works and it keeps them guessing, im getting crushed if i play GTO against them.
The whole time I was yelling "Q8 hearts!"
Stopped at 10:06 to say that villain is probably going to show up with precisely Q8hh surprisingly often... because of hero's way too small 3-bet preflop. Hopefully that gets covered.
I stopped at 00:36 and said Q8hh specifically
I was thinking KQ with Qh or pocket tens. Q7H seems wayyy off the rails
Caller sounded like Sam Bankman- Fried.
"No more live misclicking!" said Bart to every low limit live player ever.
Love the calls. I could watch em everyday! Keep it up !
After watching every single call in show I have come to realize 98.8% of the players I've ever played against are out to lunch.
i dont understand
@@TheJGB2112 Bart loves to say "unless this guys is out to lunch"
The Ace of heart should have saved you.....
Poor guy was totally hammered by Bart on his preflop 3-bet sizing.
He should be lol, he called in for advice, nothing personal. If he's routinely making these kind of sizing mistakes this is a gigantic leak that most winning players fix before they even get to 2/5...
Because it's so important. Once we screw up pre we let a crazy wide range into play. If we size correctly and dude still calls off Q7 then we can confidently reload knowing there's at least 1 person at the table that will pay us off.
I love the villains bet on the turn.
Villians range is super wide opening from CO and calling the tiny 3-bet this deep. Flop raise is super strong obviously. When he get check/called on the turn Hero can very easy have Qh so I think Villian wouldn’t bomb river without it that often. Very clear fold on the river in my opinion.
If you had Qh you’d check-call turn and then check river in hero’s spot?
I would also call, but I will say that Hero's hand is almost face up by the river. Calls the flop raise, calls the turn bet - indicative of a weak flush. So I would be doubtful that the river jam is a bluff - like I said I still call as villian is repping the thinnest value possible.
This is a great hand to analyze. Aside from the preflop mistake here, when the villan jams with "potentially" 3 hearts that would beat a hand like 8x of hearts... I donno, that's a huge bluff to run...
Tough hand, expensive lesson to learn about preflop sizing though. Great call
Bart,
Still watching the video but paused to say I really appreciate your explanation of a blocker bet being used in places other than the river.
I want to ask, does the cut offs small sizing on the turn act as a blocker for the river? Does it serve the same purpose of getting worse to continue and better to fold, or just call? Im still at the turn in the video so maybe you answer the question later. In similar reasons, all down bets are blocker bets. Whether they induce, limit, or threaten. Sometimes it's thin value, we blocker bet against getting no value, bluff, or suggest just a call.
Unfortunately this is seemingly a pretty polarized spot. The Q blocks all the nut hands except 45, 52, 24.
I don't think we have those really.
As you said, the pre flop sizing mistake compounds at the flop, turn and river. Increasing the pot with fewer chips per player and changing the dynamic variables with each additional player getting a good implied price with position.
Paused again on the river after the shove. This seems like a fold except this looks like pocket tens . I hope we called or find out.
BART’s bafflement by people playing imperfectly is exhausting.
There are plenty of players who won’t 4bet with AQ off, KQoff, even QJo, and even QQ. I mean, look at the result. Villain had Q7 lol.
Players playing less than perfectly is why we play the game. To not adjust to their imperfections is a major leak.
The thing is... does villain barrel any other holdings on the turn besides his vulnerable flopped flush that now became the nuts?
PRECISELY
Why not bet-fold or raise-fold the turn to see where you're at? Wouldn't that be better than calling the river jam?
This has to help Barts game tremendously I mean he’s crunching ranges and board textures all day every day.
"This card fucked you."
Yup. QhXo pulls ahead with the checkmark. 8h7h or a set thinks he's now fucked and doesn't (shouldn't) continue.
Now back to reality, this card should've saved H. It's so hard to put V on his actual hand, but a discipline fold was in order.
Fold pre. And on the rare occasion you decide that playing jack high for a raise in the worst position at the table is a good idea, then for sure raise enough that you have a shot to take it down pre.
But mainly just fold pre.
Could you look up and find out what the odds are of 2 people flopping a flush.
how can I get into this game?
Have the money and show up, its a public game…
This is just like set over set
You’re just going to lose money - don’t over think it
I wish Bart would have said something about the preflop bet size.
Dayum.. As this dragged on i was 100% we had the best hand. i thought he was a little hard on the initial sizing, but it was right. Crazy, you were coolered either way.
Don't like the preflop raise. J9s is a call vs a raise all day long , especially if there are multiple callers. From the BB, you should be raising with your absolute best hands and a few blocker bluffs, but that's more against one caller to iso. Otherwise, pretty brutal spot.
The raise wasn’t bad it just needed to be much bigger and he gets q7 to fold and likely everything else
Crazy hand that ended exactly the way i thought it would. I love Bart's logic but even at higher stakes people are not playing even close to optimal. Somebody could certainly have AQ with the Q of hearts. They dont have to 4 bet that hand. They should 4 bet it but a lot of people dont. The small 3 bet brings all kinds of trash in to play. When people shovel large amounts of money in to the pot willingly they seem to have it a lot of the time.
That 3bet size is shit I see at 1/2 lol
I would argue that the Ah could have actually saved him: I have a very hard time to come up with any reasonable bluff or weaker value bet hand here, after Villain`s flop raise.
- Or. would Villain ever turn a set with TT into a bluff on the river?!
Ehh, I think if the turn is a lower heart he gets away easily
@@therealjackwhite1523 Well, in that case, Villain probably would not even value-bet with his specific hand. 😉
One under discussed item: opponent might call because opponent is thinking that it is very very hard for the Hero to have hearts here. 2 pair and sets will call all in for that reason potentially
Burt you the man great video and great work
Tough hand, shows the importance of sizing pre
this guy got a really calming voice appreciate ur videos crushlive poker
Me, listening while driving to work: Dude needs to 3b to $900.
Bart: random numbers but still, $900 bro
The skill level displayed in this hand is concerning (near disturbing) given the stakes. And this applies to all players involved (with the possible exception of BTN)
It should be encouraging!
what a brutal hand. I am calling 99% of the time on that river. what a brutal beat
And which 1% are you folding ?
@@bobbyd9319 would be more of the player then the hand. I have a guy at my game that is like 85 and literally LITERALLY only raises nutted hands. He has a queen of hearts guaranteed lol
@@krispycakes7461 yes, I have a few of those, if they raise, or bet they always have it. Usually at lower games, but sometimes they move up.
Bart focussed a lot on how hard it is to give V the Qh - no discussion of what hands raise flop and then bluff turn and river, QJ no heart? Really hard to find bluffs
@@danielbluebisson yeah that’s the issue for me. Villain doesn’t have many combos with the Qh, it’s true. But if he has 0 bluffs it’s still a fold.
I didn’t know Ed Norton played poker
Yep, goes by 'Worm'
Absolutely brutal. The only hands that make sense is him flopping a Q high flush (which is unlikely as discussed on the call) or QJo with the Qh. Can anyone really fold the second nuts to that? Yikes.
Yeah, I was surprised QhJx didn't get mentioned more. I thought for sure that's what it was going to be. Seems more likely to get here this way than villian's actual hand.
@@DriveFast_FlyHigh My thoughts on that Chris are just that QhJx wants to see lots of turns and doesn't want to get 3bet on the flop so they might just call on the flop a lot. Maybe I'm totally off base but I think that's calling a lot more on the flop than raising.
Guys, this is a lesson hard learned in NL2 : no matter how fracked up hand he needs to crush you, when vilain tells you he has it, believe him :D
Huge setup though, you can't escape this one.
tried to 3b squeeze for cheap pre flop trying to bluff while Conserving his chips a very tournament player mindset and ended up losing all his chips.
That hand was off the rails. I don’t understand how the caller got to these stakes without realizing 450 would be much much much too small especially with a hand you want to get folds pre with
If he makes it 600, ok too small but I get it. 450 is just not even close
Seemed like a nice kid though. Just confusing
You can play whatever stakes you want...
@@RangeWilson the caller is 22, it was inferred he was a for profit player that just moved up in stakes from 5-10. But thank you for letting me know how poker rooms work
@@terrysword7739 idek how he's a winning player at 5-10 if he makes such egregious sizing mistakes like this. but nothing against him, seems like a nice guy
I feel the 4 flush board is so under bluffed when both players could easily have the nut flush card, for the villain to be bluffing he would likely be turning a flopped 2 pair or set into a bluff when it’s very possible the hero could have the Queen of hearts.
bart is just so fuckin cool lol dude is just a real one
21:02 What's your MDF range? Because if you're folding a Jhigh flush here, that means it's in the bottom 50% of your range. So what 50% of hands are at the top of your range? This spot just seems extremely exploitable if you're folding here. If the dude assumes you mostly have AA or KK, he's bluffing often.
How come q8h is not possible?
Bart I really disagreed with your preflop analysis about the CO continuing range to the 3-bet. A good player in the cutoff is going to be opening basically every Qxs hand, and I don't see why they wouldn't continue for another 300, even with the other players behind. They have position on the 3-bettor with a lot of money behind and the button is probably not an aggressive player.
Assuming the button and small blind call the CO is basically getting 5:1 preflop to call. I wouldn't be surprised is the cutoff also showed up here with QhJx or QhTx. If the caller is making preflop sizing errors this bad, I don't see how the CO can fold anything given the price.
Agreed. I think a lot depends on the BTN/SB player types. If they're weak/passive then the CO is literally never folding to the 450 (nor should he). Even if the BTN is a good player, the CO has to imagine he's gonna get to see the flop for 300 more because a back raise 4 bet from BTN/SB would make zero sense. In an LP config they are virtually never trapping a strong hand by flatting the initial open.
Q7hh calling a 3bet with 2 players behind? What u expect to hit playing this hand in multi-way pot? If it is heads up, calling Q7hh with position might be ok if u are confident that u can outplay your opponent post flop but calling 3bet with Q7hh is a losing play long term be it u are a good or bad player.
If the hero were to make it to 900-1050 pre instead of 450, the Q7hh will not even be in the hand post flop.
If u label the player playing Q7hh is a good player, then a good player or a pro would never ever wish to play a multi way pot OOP, this hand he is in the CO and the BTN called his 150 raise initially. so to sum it up, if the CO is a good player, he would have either 4bet to iso the HERO (if he thinks he can outplay HERO post flop) or fold to HERO 3bet.
To sum it up, this hand is play badly by HERO preflop for misclicking the 3bet sizing and CO is either a leisure player or a fish player.
Bart is just way too nice of a guy! I get that he pointed out the bet sizing errors, with 3 betting too small pre, and not 3 betting the flop, but on the turn, the one and only correct response was, "I agree it's a weird spot, but that's because you fucked up." When you flop the third nut flush, you want ALL the money in as soon as humanly possible! Down betting on the flop was terrible, and not 3 betting the flop was worse.
You got extremely unlucky, but you can't be results oriented. Next time, you're gonna leave a TON of money behind.
Didn’t I just see this a few days ago?
QQ with the Q of hearts?
QQ? With queen of hearts?
If Villian is the type to call a 3bet with 2 behind with
If I ever sit at a table with Bart, I'm going to limp and overcall all of my big pairs...
Let us know how that goes
This was just a straight cooler.
Interesting hand. Think this river is a fold most of the time. Villain would have to turn a set or two par into a bluff. When do you ever see that ? The flop action is the give away
Really interesting spot.
I'm shocked Bart didn't have more to say about choosing to squeeze this combo preflop aside from the sizing. This just seems like a standard flat pre, no?
He said preflop squeeze was "once in a while" with J9s which I think is accurate.
Straddle is on, so flat could result in getting squeezed.
To what size do you 3-bet flop? I usually discredit 3-betting in post-flop play, and need to learn it.
3 or 4 x initial raise plus another bb per extra callers
@@DavidSmith-lj1yz I mean on the flop. Preflop im good at. Its just postflop, I dont even think about 3-betting, i think if someone raise my only option is to just call.
So I dont know how much, or when to properly 3bet those scenarios.
That's the thing. With such a small raise pre flop it's very hard to put v on a correct range. If we raise enough and get called we can put v on a range of hands. If flop favors our range we can lead out and bet say half pot. If not we can opt to bet less or not at all. If we are going to be checking sometimes we should check our super strong hands as well.
The problem is we have very little idea what v range is since we priced in almost any 2 cards by 3 betting so small pre. I'm just learning so I'm sure if I'm mistaken here someone will speak up. Good luck.
I haven't completed the video. Just on the river jam part but at this point. I think the opponent has a set.
I don’t really know how you can calls unless you have a big live read on the guy. He has plenty of Qh here (All KQ, QJ, and probably Q10 plus apparent suited Queen rags). Since he never has a lower flush, it seems like a totally naked bluff by villain is overly optimistic by the turn and psychotic on the river. Feels bad to fold the second nuts, but I honestly don’t see how you’re really ever good. If you don’t have the 9h you just snap it off with a smile on your face.
22 and playing $10/$25 god damn
never mind this guy is playing like a fish.
I am guessing KQ with Q hearts (without seeing the hand on the river)
ooofff. hero had the best hand the villain could've possibly hoped for and it just got worse as it played out.
I'd have loved forr bart to field a call from the villain about this exact same hand (ie role reversal), and hear what he'd say from that side of the table.
before i see the ending, here is my prediction: the Turn bet of $1200 is entirely too cheap and if Villian puts Hero on a Set while holding the nuts. he'd charge way more. If he thinks hero has AK with no heart, the turn bet makes sense, but the river bet doesnt. Which leads me to believe Villain flopped a smaller flush, top two pair, a set of 3s.
This hand was lost preflop.
Nice deep analysis though. Helpful to me. Thanks.
"...and check the river and you just sort of hope it goes check check" Except if it does go check check, then hero always wins, and in that case you would've wanted to bet, but then a bet would probably fold out everything worse, but if villain bets river, you hope it's a bluff or value own, but you can't fold 2nd nuts. Kinda along for the ride after the turn whatever happens. What about a donk block bet on the river that could be called by worse, and if you get jammed on can you fold? Villain raising a donk river bet as a bluff would be suicidal so most likely only Qh...
When villain c bets the turn the same amount as on the flop it screams strength. If he was gonna run a bluff he would increase sizing.
Maybe Villian has QQ…?
Hey Bart I’m curious of your opinion as someone currently deriving all of my income at encore 2-5 and 5-10.. in my opinion it’s an Easy live exploit muck on the turn. This turn decision is one of the best examples when to depart from hand reading or even thinking about previous action.. with that large or spr with the second nuts when the nuts is 1 card and no redraw on said nuts. Why put all that money in in that situation. There’s definitely going to be to be much better spots for my 5 g’s…I think this is a good example of analyzing the action to figure the incomplete info when really it’s such a marginal spot if you think you have an advantage in the game why give the suckers that kind of action.
Reminds me of chip Reese’s story about raising a vip back like 20times to get it all in on 4th st against an obvious pair of aces. The moral was why give a someone way less skilled than u a 50 50 spot..
if he 3-bets to 8-900, Q7 is getting out of there and we're either winning the hand on the flop or taking down all the dead money pre-flop. lesson learned.
and if V had 33 or 78hh we miss value...
this comment is not just results-oriented but also doesn't even take variance (luck) into consideration
22 playing that high stakes is pretty good no?
How does guy open with Qh7h?
I'd open it.. it's not bad in the cut off..
If villain doesn't have Qh when he shoves on the river, then that means at best he's 4th nut when hero can easily have a one card made hand with either a Qh, a Jh, or a 9h to beat him from the BB range. That's ballsy. However hero is smelling as being weak too. I think that you just need to assess your opponent...if he's a normal player he almost always has the Qh. If he's a maniac maybe he's levelling you trying to get you to fold your Jh or 9h. I'm leaning to a fold (this is before you show the final outcome).
Its a fold, because he was raising for value on the flop. You bet too small and leveled yourself thinking he was stealing, but he also has someone behind him to act. And you called so could put you on a flush draw set or maybe two pair and some flushes. When he bet the same bet on the turn, you should raise and then fold to avoid having to call a river shove if that's what you are afraid of. Even donk lead.
It's a cooler
Hey Bart I'm sure you are well aware that live poker players play terrible on every street yes even at this blind level and they CAN definitely show up with AQo KQo Q8s Q7s Q5s Q2s all day long. Expecting people to show up with constructed ranges in live poker could really cost you big time.
This new "blocker" mentality is making a lot of people broke. Let's keep spreading this fallacy .
It’s not a fallacy lol
It's math bud
Blockers matter. Tell me u have the king high flush vs a nonstop aggression for 3 streets and the ace missing. Thanks for proving ur fallacy
QhJo? Ao8h? 78hearts? Wtf is villain up to?
reminds me of the second-best poker advice I ever got (well really like 50th behind the 49 times I had to be told to stop calling so damn much):
never assume without evidence that a player is not loose
I liked suited cards.
QhJ or Ahx was most likely on flop.
The turn bet was the clearest "I've got the nuts" bet there in in poker.
He bets the same when Ah comes, which leave if you call a half pot bet on river.
What hand can call on that turn and fold river getting 3:1? NONE.
That's why he bet so small.
He wants your call Turn, which guarantees a river call..
Ipso facto - he has the nuts 💯
Most overused poker phrase used to be “this is so sick”.
Fast forward to modern day poker and the most overused poker phrase is “this is such a weird spot”.
Every time I hear “this is such a weird spot”, I cringe. It’s said constantly to the point where it has no meaning.
Edit: Just a random rant.
As you said Bart, hero's misread of his preflop situation that resulted in his incorrect raise cost him dearly. He rushed through the hand like he did the call to you 😁
Thanks for your professional input 😏
Questionable play got highly rewarded
My first guess was pocket queens w the queen of hearts, or queen 8 of hearts. He messed up w his bet sizing preflop.. proper 4x he wouldn’t have even seen the flop guaranteed