Fanatec CSW V2 Preview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- Now that Fanatec has released us from our NDA. Here are my thoughts on the build and performance of the "beta" test unit I have been using.
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Thanks for putting this together, really nicely filmed and presented as always !
great video thank you! i like your videos much more than the inside sim racing videos! i think you are much more professional and "in" the sim racing! please continue so and your channel will grow for sure!!
Thanks for having the guts to show us the insides of this thing, I know other people would be scared away because of Thomas' 'wrath'. hehe
Excellent review. Thanks for pulling off the back cover to give us a chance to see the changes inside the wheel. I beta tested the V1 wheel and also experience ffb fade and a couple other issues. Seems Fanatec has taken the right steps to improve the overall performance and durability of the CSW.
Great review, now I'm really looking forward to my new base.
tony hanner I don't think you will be disappointed. Fanatec has been stepping up their game as of late I think.
Love your vids Barry. You do a fantastic job.
fastasslexus Thanks!
i think i have watched all of your reviews . great job. very informative
Wow! Thanks for your time.
Hello I'm spanish and is the first time that I see your videos and I want say you that you are very good at driving congratulacions for this youtube channel
Oriol aniento castells Thanks!
Is this wheel night and day different from the Accuforce? I have the v1 with BMW rim and really don't like the feel it provides. Always feels like the wheels are oscillating and oval racing isn't great when tires heat up.
I already preordered the CSW v2 base, BMW m3 gt2 qnd formula black wheel, and the club sport shifter sq. I am wondering if I should get the accuforce instead. I currently have a 911 turbo s with the 911 gt2 base, club sport v1. Pedals and an obutto ozone with oculus rift dk2.
My V2 will be showing up on Tuesday. A couple of days ago, I received my Xbox One Universal Hub. I can't wait to use it on Forza 5/6, F1 2015, Project Cars, and when Asseto Corsa, releases on the consoles.
I hope they can get support for both X1 and PS4 so I can get an all in one solution for all platforms. Then I just need to upgrade my seat to be a bit more stiff. Hopefully I can just modify my old PlaySeat v1 somehow because seats are hella expensive.
Lets just hope it doesnt have a mass amount of deadzone in the middle like other wheels then again i got that in the csr wheel so i wouldnt know about the elite the csw v1 or 2
Just read a good article from Bernie of Accuforce fame...the new wheel soon to be released!! Going by his views you should steer clear of anything with a belt( or belts as in the V2!!! ) as the only reason for belts is to increase the FFB because the Motor itself is too puny and weak ( read cheap!!!). Sure it feels stronger and smother than say a G27 but it also masks alot of the FFB signal. And there are other pitfalls too like rotational speed!! Cant wait for you to test the new Accuforce wheel. Your review will decide for me whether I go with the Bodnar or Accuforce!! Can't wait. I currently use a G27!
Somewhat unrelated question: Where did you get that Kimi sticker? :)
Thanks
Great videos...Question...I actually drive slightly better (we are talking a couple tenths here) with the Thrustmaster T500RS than I do with the Fanatec Clubsport Wheel V1. The T500 is not as smooth as the CSW V1 and possibly not as instantaneous either, but it's (T500) extra power/torque, rotation speed, and just the way it outputs the FFB in a more obvious and "in your face" style, makes me just that touch faster with it when really looking for that last 0.1 - 0.25 seconds...
- How does the CSW V2 compare with the T500 (in terms of pure driving, not build quality, aesthetics, price, warranty, cooling, plastic/metal, leather/rubber, etc. just the pure driving and FFB itself)?
- I'm assuming that the CSW V2 caught-up to the T500 and possibly even passed it in terms of raw power/torque?
-What about the V2's top rotational speed (which I think suffered quite a bit on the CSW V1 even though it's very, very initial reactions were probably superior to the T500)?
- What about the general "style" of FFB? I think you said that it's not as "muted" on the CSW V2 as it is on the V1. So if you were to setup the V2 so that it's torque/power output was the same as the V1, would the FFB of the V2 still feel less muted than the V1? In other words, if the V2 was setup to output the same amount of power as the V1 (through the in-game or wheel's control panel power adjustment), would it then feel no less muted than the V1, or would it still feel less muted?
I hope you can answer these questions. I am extremely picky and extremely sensitive to different FFB, and having these 4 questions answered would really make a big difference for me, and would be VERY much appreciated.
Thank you kindly.
+simracinggarage between v2 vs t300 which is better and if theres a big difference? And whats a good shifter?
Thank you for the excellent preview. Can I assume that your statements "it's a definite improvement over the v1 base" also apply in comparison to the CSR Elite base? I don't know how they differ, but I have the Elite wheel. I should be receiving a pre-order code soon, and I'm really thinking about taking the plunge on the purchase.
I would think it would as the CSW is mostly considered to be a better feeling and performing system than the Elite. But, it's been a while since I had the Elite base, and don't have one now to compare.
Sim Racing Garage Excellent. Thank you.
Is this a great budget wheel base in 2022 yet?
I don t get if the csw v2 work with ps4 and ProjectC... any suggestion?
Really A Great Review Barry and Thanks. IF Thomas does get mad @ you I'll buy the wheel form you! he-he. =)
Any chance you'd know what belts I'd need to get to replace the ones in there? I can't find anything on them and mine are slipping bad now...
Barry, you're back! Are there any upcoming 'high end' product reviews/videos in the near future? ;)
Antti Eerik Yes, stayed tuned!
Sim Racing Garage Can't wait too see Accuforce Wheel preview , still not decided between CSW v2 with 918 RSR and Accuforce
Tha Ronin totally agree, I know the Accuforce will probably be more $, but can't wait to see the review for the Accuforce coming out, versus this setup in this video here. I'm learning a ton here!
Hello Barry!
I highly admire your reviews and so do many many people.
Very few have a good experience like yours and dare to disassemble hardware same as you do.
Now, I have a question and hope you can help me with it.
My Fanatec CSP V3 brake pedal is good to be used for RIGHT FOOT BRAKING when fixed in center position, but I have to UNSCREW those 2 screws and fix the pedal a little more to the left every time I am driving a car that doesn't need to use the clutch (I mean moving it like 1 inch towards the left to make LEFT FOOT BRAKING easier).
The only one solution I thought about is buying a BIGGER brake pedal that is drilled with the same patern.
Do you know any mod that is a bit bigger to replace my Fanatec Clubsport V3 brake pedal?
Or do you think I can buy any plate or any DIY solution?
Don't know if any. If it were me I would just cut out some 1/8" aluminum plate to the width I needed. Drill some counter sunk holes that match Fanatec's pattern, and install. There are some 3D print services that could probably make what you want, but it would cost a bit more. I found this company with a quick search, but have not dealt with them before: www.shapeways.com/product/62HJBG4AC/fanatec-clubsport-brake-sparco-tilton-style
@@simracinggarage3026 You are the hardware god!
And thank you very very much.
How would you compare it to the fanatec DD1
I noticed the video says "preview", and also that it's much shorter than most of your wheel videos. Will you be doing a longer review of this wheel (especially regarding the actual driving and FFB part)? I would love to see how you think the actual in-game performance (FFB) compares to the T500RS and the T300RS/TX if you've experienced any of those.
I have an invite code for the CSW V2 and am absolutely torn on if I should get it or not. I just sold my T500RS, and I've heard a couple people say that the Thrustmaster T300RS/TX FFB is better than the CSW V2 even though they have less torque. They say that just something the way the Thrustmaster outputs the FFB, something about the feel, that Thrustmaster have just nailed it and therefore offers a much better experience (again, even though they have less torque). Then again, I've heard others obviously say the CSW V2 is better.
Michael Douglas look alike.
After enormous reliability issues with my Thrustmaster and Fanatec products I'm thinking about taking the plunge and getting a true high end wheel base instead of the V2. The Frex looks like the best deal in regards to price vs quality vs rim cost. Have you spent any time with it? Is there another brand you'd recommend instead? Any advice you can offer would be hugely appreciated.
Barry said he's using a Bodnar wheel most of the time. If money is not an issue, you can't go wrong with that one.
How do you prevent the clipped? Just lower the amount of FFB? You had yours set to only 12%. What causes the clipping? Do you set the FFB to 100 on the wheel, and then adjusted it in iRacing?
Yes, 100 in driver, and adjust to taste in which ever game I am using at the time.
Dumb question but these are toothed belts ? I just asked because i would be afraid that the belts slip when you move the wheel to hard :D
MStreppelhoff Not a dumb question at all! These are grooved serpentine belts. Similar to what is on our car engines to drive motor accessories, as in AC compressors, alternators, power steering pumps and the like.
Not relegated directly to the wheel, but I remember you where using a HE pedal set. If it is still the case, then why you put the brake force factor to 1.80 in iRacing? It should be set to 0 to have the best feeling from a load cell pedal. :)
As for the wheel, I'm really curious to test 1, I'm still with a G27 and was nearly ready to buy a CSW V1 last June, maybe it's the right time now ;)
You are correct! But when I shot the iRacing settings menu, I had another set of pedals mounted. I change around pedals for testing sometimes.
Sim Racing Garage i completely understand now, thanks for clarifying :) BTW, nice review. Most people seems pretty happy about this new wheel, i just think that it hit the 1000€ mark with just a wheel and shipping, i want to see how the AccuForce will be priced for us in Europe and then i will make a choice, even if i think that it will be a lot considering VAT 20% (IVA for us in Italy, which is even more, 22%) and shipping. But this is a passion so maybe i will end buying the best i can afford :)
Cheers
What is your FOV in the game and also could you show first person view of your setup? Thank you :)
Actually I have a GoPro coming and will play with capturing some first person view from my surround monitor setup.
Another great review! Thank you. Quick question, if possible can you gives some comparison on immediacy of the force feedback and the actual force reproduce as compared to both the trustmaster 500 and the bordnar wheel? ( just as references). Again, thank you.
This Beta base has improved on the V1's immediacy. To me it is better than my T500 base now. The Bodnar is still levels above anything out there as far as FFB quality. But of course for the price difference, it had better be! Still, we have to wait to see what the SimXperience Accuforce wheel can deliver!.
Is This compatible with a playseat?
Quick question and a little off topic, but I am curious if there is a significant difference in weight between the BMW and the new Porsche rims. I have read that the Porsche rim is lighter, which I would assume would mean improved ffb strength and effects.
Gone Broke Racing Unfortunately, I didn't have a BMW wheel to weigh between them. But to be sure the Porsche wheel is no light weight!
According to their webpage the Porsche rim is 0,54 Kg lighter.
I have the BMW 3,5 Kg rim and there are absolutely no problem with FFB strength or effects.
I dont know if you have used t500rs but how does it compare to this?
Thanks in advance
The CSW V2 to me has more precise FFB feeling. My T500 is a great, dependable base. It just gets the job done. I sold my CSW V1 once I got my T500 because of FFB fade issues I had with the CSW. The T500 could stand a refresh I think with all the new wheel systems coming out soon. Then again, usually that means more cost for us. So, have to be careful what we wish for.
Awesome, I ordered the CSW V2 and I have the T500 right now but I just wanted to be sure how much ''better'' it was. Thanks for the reply!
+Humberto Roca
How did you find it? Better than T500? Thanks!
Whad does a Leo Bodnar wheel with wheelbase cost? On their website I only find spare parts.
It's 2400 pounds and it has its own website, simsteering dot com
FFB motors were a joke in V1 they were cheap ones and almost all the people i know that owned one they malfunctioned after a couple month. My concern is... is the new FFB motor good quality? Awesome video as usual keep up !! thank You!
How does this CSW V2 base compare to the new thrustmaster TX base?
I have a tx and a csw v2 the best way i can compare them is the csw v2 has the presicion of the tx but also the muscle ffb strength the thrustmaster t500 and you can make more adjustments on the csw v2 on the fly with the wheel's tuning menu on degrees of rotation ffb strength and shock strength how much deadzone you want if needed you can change or linearity in the wheel you have a lot more adjustiblility with the csw v2 and theres more options in the tuning menu then what i just said and you can create 5 setups in the menu for different racing titles and the other difference is the csw v2 is compatible with both ps4 and xbox one and even ps3 and obviously pc now the tx is compatible with xbox one and pc you can adjust to 4 different degrees of rotation on the fly 270,360,540, and 900 and on the tx you can adjust the sensitivity of the wheel it has 4 different sensitivity and u can change more different settings in the TM driver on your pc anyways hope this answers your question
How different is this from the v2.5?
Is it possible for you to test your wheels (especially in terms of FFB testing) using rFactor 2? RFactor 2's FFB is probably the best in the business, it is extremely dynamic, raw, "alive", and just overall thrilling.
RFactor 2 is probably the best sim we currently have in terms of testing a wheel's FFB to it's max potential.
I agree. I think rfactor2 has some of the best feedback today. I do test the wheels I use in rfactor2 and Assetto Corsa. I just don't show it in my videos. And sometimes it is not as straight forward to configure some hardware in Assetto Corsa and especially rfactor2. I have to jump through hoops to get my Bodnar to work correctly in rfactor2. And when a new build comes out, it seems I have to start all over again. And sometimes I just don't have time to play with and "tweek" the .ini settings. iRacing continues to be the go to, "plug and play" Sim racing package. And I really don't understand why the other Sims can't do the same, although I will give credit to Assetto Corsa, for being a lot more hardware friendly than rfactor2. Remember, I don't do these reviews for a living, only for the fun of it. I have a real daytime job like most of you. In the future I will try to show pedal set and wheel system use in all 3 of the major sim racing packages out now. But due to time constraints, I can't promise it.
How would you compare this to the Accuforce FFB wheel? Is the Accuforce worth almost twice the price?
+Chris D The Accuforce is a completely different animal than the CSW V2. Really no way to compare them, apples and oranges and all... If you have the funds for an Accuforce, I would recommend an OSW FFB
wheel solution for the best FFB experience. But the Accuforce does have it pluses.
+Sim Racing Garage Thanks so much for the prompt reply. I would love to get a direct drive like the Accuforce, but not sure if I can swing the funds. As far as the CSW V2, how does it compare against the Thrustmaster T300 or T500. One option for me would be to get something cheap like the T300 and then upgrade to a direct drive later. The CSW v2 is in between and I'm affraid I will be wasting my money for not that much improvement over the Thrustmaster. Thank you!
+Chris D For the same price really, do the osw project hands down. This fanatic cost a 1000 dollars and the osw project is about the same to do (with a more generic wheel that is) As far as the thrust master's go, they are not quite what the fanatic is. They do not have as much force feed back strength as the fanatic or dd, then again in real life (gt3 cars for example) don't fight you that much through the wheel as said by the racers themselves when on dd's. Some types of cars do how ever more so (like heavy no power steering cars), but generally I think not as much as what most sim racer run. I think the thrust masters are good wheels for budget minded people. They get the job done and they are pretty accurate...plus it's a hell of a lot better than a controller lol.
is it near to high end product as Leo bodner steering wheel as Fanatec say? What about? Ciao
Marco Forestieri No, it is not as good as the Bodnar system. The Bodnar is a couple of levels better at FFB than the Fanantec, IMO. But, again, these two wheel systems couldn't be any more different from one another. Really not fair to try and compare the V2 to a the Bodnar.
Sim Racing Garage i thank you Barry
Sim Racing Garage
And the price difference is ?
Really love your channel !
It's simply the best Sim racing channel on YT !
Meter Pangs The price difference between the Bodnar and the CSW V2 is about 3000.00usd. The Bodnar is not really meant for the consumer Sim Racer. More for dedicated Sim builders and Racing Teams.
Sim Racing Garage Thanks Barry !
It's the FFB much better than TX/T300 or CSW V1?
Not sure if you've heard of Assetto Corsa but you should play that in your videos as well
Tokyo Drift In the future I will try and get that done. Assetto Corsa is a great sim.
Not gonna lie, that mic is amazing. It literally doesn't look like the sound I'm hearing is coming from the mic you're wearing, it's kind of bizarre to watch.
Should I purchase this wheel or a thrustmaster?
Marquise goodwin The Accuforce is a better FFB wheel. But it also cost over 3 times as much as a T500RS kit which includes pedals, and is compatible with PS4. Only you can decide which one is the right one for you.
Before I make a bigger purchase I still want to know who makes a better base? Bodner or acuforce? Please let me know.. Also.. Is their any hints of future compatibility with acuforce and other platforms?
Sim Racing Garage That's great. But I think he was asking about the CSW V2 and not the Accuforce.
Marquise goodwin Bodnar is the pinnacle. Accuforce is the affordable.
Started on a GT2 Porsche wheel on 360(damn that alcantara feels good in hand), but now bought an Xbox 1...
The v2 base with the 918 wheel(good choice by the way)is over 900 bucks! Anybody want a gently used , 100% working GT2 for 325 bucks? Had it under a year- Xbox 360 , pc, and ps3 compatible. Hell I may keep it as a collectors item for 1 day , but i need a wheel for Forza 5/6/H2 lol.
+TooManyChoices1 The GT2 new was $249 lol. Are you a celebrity? :p
oi boa noite falar xbox one sim ou nao Fanatec CSW V2 Preview
Please add the disclaimer "Don't try this at home!".
I disassembled my base by unscrewing the front side of it (mistake), and now I'm trying to figure out how to assemble it again.
The reason I disassembled, because my Fanatec universal hub buttons and paddle shifts are not working until I try many times so I thought first about cleaning the dust in the wheel and in the base.
You disassemble the base because the universal hub buttons aren´t working? That doesn´t make any sense :D Good luck bro
@@LouisHamilfton Hamilton, stick to driving and keep engineering to us, lol.
@@azaralamouri5140Asks for "Don´t try this at home" disclaimer, opens his base for no reason (on the wrong side!), can´t reassemble it. Calls himself professional engineer. Sounds about right
Nice and noticeable improvement but at comparing cost/performance ratio vs say the accurforce wheel, i'm waiting for Accurforce wheel. It's a bargin compared to the v2. $2000 for the Accuforce. That'll give you around 16Nm torque (if not more) and that's both continuous and peak. Also the complete absence of any transmission (i.e. direct drive) meaning ffb characteristic is consistent in all modes of rotation (from static to max velocity) because it's direct drive.
Based on those performance differences one can except from such a wheel at only $2000, i believe the relative price of the CSW V2 (with a rim included) should be no more than $500. At $900 for the porsche rim and v2 base....it's either totally overpriced or the Accuforce is tottally underpriced. I'm thinking more the latter which is a great thing for me ofc since it's the one i really desire.
+DrR1pper Huh? That's more than twice the price. It's supposed to be better. They each have their own market. If you want bargain for performance, go the OSW route. Cheaper than Accuforce and much better.
john ulmer Yeah, i wrote that with the information i had at the time.
OSW for sure the best price to performance ratio but still think the Accuforce has a better price to performance ratio than the CSWv2 if talking about motor output performance (i.e. torque and responsiveness since non DD wheels require additional transmissions to increase their torque output at the cost of speed which translates to less power output).
Well, that's obviously very subjective and nowhere near being an objective viewpoint. I have a V2 and have used an Accuforce. If the V2 is dialed in properly, which takes a bit of work, there is nowhere near as big of a difference that you are implying in my opinion. The Accuforce is better, but not twice as much so. It's not as big of a difference as say going from a G27 to a V2. Of course, that falls under the law of diminishing returns.
john ulmer Fair enough. I've not tried either so i will defer to your better judgement with first hand experience.
So do you consider one to have a better price-to-(ffb)performance ratio over the other?
DrR1pper keep in mind, that my answers are also going to be subjective. To me, the price to performance crown goes to the TX wheel base. The V2 is better, but costs a good bit more. For me, the price of the V2 was still reasonable so I switched to it. When I tried the Accuforce, the difference felt a little bigger than from the TX the V2. But it certainly wasn't $1000 better. Especially considering the quality of the modular accessories that come from Fanatec. In the end, the V2 hasn't left me with any feelings that it is lacking. The cheaper wheels I used in the past always had drawbacks that drove me crazy. The V2 is the first one I've had that didn't give me that feeling. I went from a Momo, to a G25, to a G27, to a TX, to a t500, quickly back to a TX, to a V1 (step down from the TX), and then quickly to the V2.