Fanatec CSW Universal Hub Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2014
- Been spending a couple of weeks getting re-acquainted with a new CSW base with Universal Hub. This is a long review, below you will see links to different segments of the review Just click on "show more".
In The Box: [url] • Fanatec CSW Universal ... [/url]
Parts Overview: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
A look inside: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Wiring/Attaching Button Pods: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Adjusting Pods to Wheel: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Final Pod Adjustments: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Attaching/Adjusting Shifter Paddles: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Button mapping in Windows Driver: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Driving the Hub: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Switching out Custom Wheels: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
Final Thoughts: • Fanatec CSW Universal ...
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That is an extremely detailed but entertaining review. Thank you!
Most people will not change their rims too often so the plugs will fit the purpose. And as this product obviously requires some DIY capabilities we are targeting PC owners who are also able to build up their own PC and handle blank PCBAs.
is the mobile phone attachment included or do you have to purchase that separately ?
I do not agree with Fanatec's expectation of who is going to buy this but I do agree with Barry that the plugs are not fit for purpose. They are not meant to be unplugged that often at all as they are PCB plug/sockets and not designed for the usage Fanatec have given them.
Stephen Westrip
Barry used three wheel rims and had to unplug the cables ONE time. How likely is it that people buy a wheel base with a quick release system to change their steering wheels within seconds and then they buy just one universal hub and spend 30 minutes to change their wheel rims?
Fanatec Endor were and how can we purchase the mobile phone attachment for the universal wheel hub please, i'll ask again as the first time appeared to have slipped past (",)
Fanatec Endor People who don't want to by the hub with every wheel they purchase? I can understand why Fanantec would prefer this from a business point of view. But, isn't this why you have the wheel rims available to purchase separately? Changing wheels out using the screws on the face plate of the hub, would not be a big deal for most people. But to change out the pod configuration, you have no choice but to go inside the hub. To me, needlessly exposing the circuit board and causing stress to the board at the socket locations. I had thought about attaching a Q1R QR base to the hub and just mount the opposing QR plates to different wheels, but this would move the wheel rim, once attached to the QR base, too far away from the hub's pod and paddle locations to be able to use them. Although with custom wheels sporting their own electronics and shifter, this would not be an issue. I have to stand by my statements in this review, that Fanantec could have made just two minor, at least to me, design changes on locating the pod plugs along the perimeter of the hub casing, and pod lever attachment mechanics that allowed you to attach these levers with out opening the hub. It would make this hub a more durable, and user friendly solution. I think Fanantec may be unnecessarily exposing themselves to long term reliability issues with this design. Of course this is just my opinion and I'm no electronics engineer, but I do have common sense. At least most of the time! When I was pulling on those plugs to remove them from their circuit board sockets I had a feeling of geez these things are tight! And I was not comfortable with the amount of force it required. Don't read me wrong here. I mean these to be constructive comments. I like Fanantec products in general, and as you saw in the review, I still recommend this hub to those who want to use different wheel rims with their CSW base. I know of many who do not build their own PC, or handle PCBA's, but use Fanantec products. So, if this really was Fanantec's target demographic for this hub, then you might want reconsider, and take a wider view of who will actually be buying and using this hub.
Anytime I buy anything sim related, I check out what Barry says! :D
Same
How did I just find you guys now! Subscribed. You guys are awesome!
Yes it is Barnacules Nerdgasm
Barnacules Nerdgasm Thanks! We enjoy watching your videos also!
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Barry, you did a great job with this review. Very thorough and balanced. An entertaining and informative watch.
Barry, I didn't know you bought all the items you review. That does make you're reviews to me at least a little more Honest IMO. Thanks for that. We all want the reviews from everybody that does them to be Completely Honest for their fellow sim racer's. I DO TRUST YOURS Opinions and have since I found your channel. Thanks for Them and Please Keep it Up.
Exactly spending your own money On a product just to review it is something else, when comparing to most channels who provide sponsored reviews or are in partnership with the brands so that they have to speak positive about the product regardless of the flaws!
This is nothing short of exhaustive and excellent information. Thank you for the hard work of putting this together, it really helps make an informed purchase decision.
realtrisk
Thank you for this review! I'm looking into making an upgrade to FANATEC wheel, base, and pedals in the future. This video answered every single question I had! Thanks again.
Thank you for your videos! Before I do anything with my Fanatec gear I always come here first. Thank you for being so detailed in your reviews and guides.
Well, i'm sold on this. I'm looking to upgrading my wheel in the fall season so this with the base will be the one.
Excellent review by the way, thanks for taking the time to doing the review.
+Hiroki “SimRCRfan” Soki You will LOVE it. I can't get enough of my Clubsport V2.
GREAT Review Barry !!!
Thank you for doing these reviews , it is VERY helpful !!!
Great review Barry, as always. You cut to the core issues, and I truly appreciate that.
One big concern is the LED display when mounted vertical, I can see someone in the heat of battle reaching for a button press and wiping it out.
Now if Fanatec can only do two things, address quality control items in the CSW base, and provide an even leaner wheel base kit, for the DIY people who just want the hub connector, and electronics, and basically want to make a custom wheel.
Fanatec should also offer a CSW base slider kit, something akin to seat adjusters, where you can easily move the base in and out when you change rims, because most will have different distances from hub to wheel.
One hell of a video. Great work.
Thanks Barry! Another MUST see video. This thing is WAY more complex than I originally thought, but the idea is legit.
Really well done video! High quality in all aspects, and was very interesting even though I don't own a PC rig....yet. Someone said they thought it was expensive. I don't think so at all, as R&D does not come cheap.
Keep up the good work!
thx much~I just got it and can't use it exactly! But now I can use it very well after your reviwe
Good thorough review,I have tow club sport base's one from the first batch they sold and another from six months ago,both are working fine but the newer ones is stronger. I think they designed the hubs that way is because of time,they want to get them out sooner than later.📊
Keep up the good reviews Barry
sending you a huge thank you. this helped me know what i was going to get into before i did it. great job
Really great video. Keep it up Barry!
I love the look of that Momo wheel!!!
Hey Barry, thanks for this extended review! I'm gonna use your mounting tips for my Monza OMP rim! ;)
That's a great wheel! Your going to love it!
That is an awesome review!!! Very detailed and great explanations! I really enjoyed!!!
Thanks a lot for this great and usefull job Sir!!!
Gilles MORICE Glad you enjoy them! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the comprehensive review Barry.
I wasn't sure if i was going to order one but this made up my mind to get it.
Should end up being a lot lighter/responsive then my current bmw rim, gonna start with a g25 rim and take it from there.
I'm gonna start looking for a nice deal on a momo mod 29 wheel.
Unfortunately the flat style wheel can't be bought from the european store yet.
Great review Barry and very usefull
Very interesting, Thanks for these Reviews :)
Nice to see this thing up close. To bad fanatec does not have better shots. Thanks for posting.
I am new to the Fanatec world. Just received my wheel and Universal Hub in the mail. Today, the hub comes assembled and one I got called "ClubSport Steering Wheel Universal Hub for XBOX ONE." I also got an oval type style wheel, more so for stock car oval racing. Its a bit deeper wheel so I will most likely be also moving the shifters forward. I wish he showed the process of moving the whole shifter assembly thing, but I'll work it out I suppose. Great video, learned a lot.
WOW This is a reviewer that puts the rest to shame !
Take notes:Inside Sim Racing and The Simpit !
I don't really trust 'Simpit'. seems as though he'd endorse anything.
that's why I wish Barry would review the R-seat. So would at least have a second opinion, an in my opinion, a better opinion.
Thank you for your help in deciding
Helped me put my hub together thanks a bunch
Now thats how you do a review 👏
Thank you Barry once again for the best review I think Fanatec should give you the CSW base free of charge.
One thing you for got to do is attached your Quick Release from Holger Bochfink so you can change your wheel with out bolting and unbolting them.
If were going to keep using the CSW instead of my Bodnar, have no fear the Holger Q1R system would be installed! BTW, I don't accept free hardware to review. I either buy it, like the CSW base and Hub, or someone can send me their hardware with the expectation that I will return it once the review is completed. Unless of course, if I want to keep it. In that case I would pay them for it. I know most other reviewers get free samples for their reviews, but I don't know of any other way to keep my reviews honest, and as unbiased as possible.
Sim Racing Garage
Respect to you sir!
wow... these 60 minutes were better and more entertaining than the last movies I saw :D
That Mod 30 made me drool just a little bit... Jus sayin. I just ordered the CSW V2 base last night by invite. Probably wont have it until late January. I am going to get this hub and mate it to... you guessed it. The Mod 30. thanks again for the informative reviews.
Cool review. Looks like a bit of a pain in the bum. This thing is almost $600 😱😩here in Australia. Love your reviews. Highlights the value or lack there of in a product. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Hi, Love your channel :) great reviews and the level of detail you put into is quite impressive. I have a question, can i simply plug off the funky switch? It has a certain toy look.
Just a head's up: You don't necessary have to switch an arrow on an encoder to top position, the encoder will work anyway, only "reversed" (up/down and left/right). You may get a little confused in the wheel menu at first, but "in game" it works just fine, because you use physical direction, the directions subscribed to the buttons doesn't matter (I hope you understand, what I mean). I already got used to mine, and never switched the arrow position ;)
As to switching rims... Yes, hub is not meant to do that, it is meant to be attached to one rim, not only because it takes time to switch wheels, but also you have to consider repositioning of buttonboxes. With the new quick-release you only have to pay attention to the 5 allen screws inside the steering column, they tend to come loose, and the wheel "wobbles" more. Easy fix. I personally have some OMP replica with my hub, and planning to get Formula Carbon rim (looking forward to some discounts/black fridays etc. :P).
Quick question to mr. Barry: When can we expect a review of ClubSport Pedals V3? :)
They really do think of everything when designing their products. Really glad I made the move to the Fanatec ecosystem.
well that base is on another level. the upgrade from a G27 is being considered. however i spend more time on consoles generally so i might wait till i make an investment that works on the new next gen consoles 100%
This is an excellent review. I just found this channel and am a new sub. I recently ordered my V2 base and have a few more weeks before it arrives and can't decide on what wheel I should get. Would you recommend this hub and a custom wheel over the BMW GT2 wheel or the Porsche 918 wheel? I like the fact the hub is easy to customize to your liking so I'm kinda leaning towards that direction. Thanks
+CDubLDD The only negative that I can see on this is it lacks the second joystick built into the 918 and BMW GT2. The joystick is useful because you can emulate a mouse with it, and never have to take your hands off the wheel to reach for the mouse. Other than that, I think it really just comes down to what you think would be cooler... although the BMW GT2 is heavy, so it absorbs a noticeable amount of feedback detail as the base has to move that heavy chunk of metal. Not a huge deal, and it still feels fantastic, but lighter wheels have noticeably more power and detail when mounted up. Then again, if you don't like running with FF maxed, this isn't going to matter to you anyway... just turn it up a squidge more to compensate.
I love the idea you can do almost anything but the price is just a killer also great job on the review.
Informative video
Nice video. I used it to help me assemble my rim. Were the holes for mounting your wheel pre tapped or did you have to do
it yourself? I have the GT Rim and the 6 pattern was left untapped.
yup, I've just arrived at Sim Racing Garage.... long overdue and where do I start!! :)
Nice Raikkonen Radio sticker!
Yeah, not many catch that, or know what it means!
I do! Massive F1 fan here. Thank you for that review by the way.
leavemealoneiknowwhatimdoing
Priceless
Nice headset mic Barry!
I would gone totally crazy and for sure destroy some hub parts in the process, if did not see your video how to mount the Fanatec Hub. Big, big help - Thanks!
You could take the spacers and the paddles and put the on the other side and it will be even closer. Use the left on the right side and the right on the left side so the counter sync is on the screw side.
What was the total cost for the wheel in this video with the momo wheel? Do you have a part link and we can just add the prices up? Thanks in advance!! Great videos, you are very detail oriented and I love that!!
Hi Barry, great video! I had a question about the SMC pod/wheel plate. Could you show us how the USB is connected to your computer? Does the cable get in the way when steering? How long is the cable and how is it routed? Thanks!
Christophertsou I use a USB extension cord that comes from the computer port. Then I have a coiled USB "A to B" cord from the extension to the wheel. Never had an issue with this set up. I've had the wheel make 3 complete revolutions without any problem because of the coiled USB cord. Of course there are limitations to how many revolutions the wheel can make before the cord would pull out from the extension. Really a non issue in every day Sim Racing.
nice vid!
thanks, my t500 doesnt struggle at all with the mom rim because it is actually lighter than the stock gt rim. I mean im looking at rigs now and waiting on wb its between the prosimu t1000 2 motion rig from france or the obutto revolution about 750$ diff in between the 2 obutto being the cheaper.
SimRacingGarage
Hi Barry
Just a quick question, you say you could of removed the shifter spacers to bring the paddles in more, this maybe a stupid question but is it possible to move the spacers to the other side to make them even more inward towards the wheel rim? Instead of just removing all together as you recommend. Another great video so thank you.
Yes, you could move them to the inside also as long a your fingers still have enough room between the paddles.
I ordered the Xbox One Hub yesterday, and today, it's getting ready to ship. Still waiting for the V2 Wheel Base, to ship though. I ordered it, last month. So hopefully, it'll show up, before Forza 6 releases.
Hello Sim Racing Garage... Thank you for making some great and informative videos on sim racing products. One question. Does the MOMO wheel weigh as much as the average sim racing wheel of its equivalence? In other words is the MOMO wheel not much heavier or lighter then say the equivalent Fanatec wheel? Also, is that MOMO wheel dressed in Alcantara or suede? Thanks.
Material is suede. I weighs less and is stiffer than the Fanatec wheel of comparable dimensions. How much lighter I don't know. Never weighed the Fanantec wheel.
Which momo wheel is it?
you could probably move the paddles to the front side with spacers to get even closer
Is there a way to bring the paddles further forward? I have the NASCAR fanatec wheel with the universal hub and the paddles are too far away on the closest setting even with the spacers removed.
Comprehensive! Did you weigh any of the wheels once they were fully dressed and attached to the hub?
No, didn't bother with weighing them. Fanantec's site puts the Hub with all the button pods, funky switch, led display, shifter pods, large shifter paddles, and mounting brackets, which they call "levers", at 959grams. So just add your wheel weight for the total.
for the pedalshifters @34:42 what if you would put the spacers on the other side of the shifter, that would give you another width of the spacer to put the pedalshifters even closer to the rim, or is that not realy possible?
@Sim Racing Garage is there a universal hub thatt you can recommend for OSW users?
What car is the sound from on the intro? Sounds like a super 2000 rally car but not sure about it.
Great review, my only question is about shifting with your middle finger - I can't do that, my middle finger is usually very busy when I drive, it's my favorite communication device:)
question: i have a omp 320 alu wheel, what screws should i use?
would i be able to use this on a madcatz steering hub or would this not be compatible
When you order a Momo Wheel like that mod 30, do the screws to fasten it come bundled with it or did they come bundled with the hub?
sexyveilleux A new MOMO MOD 30 should come with screws. Mine did.
Could you not reverse the paddle shifts as well to make them even closer, mount the left on the right and right on left back to front ? In fact looking at it you could mount the paddle lever the other side with those spacers the other side to bring them closer again without needing to flip left to right, I think, looking forward to testing this stuff out when it arrives :)
Yeah he mounted the paddles on the wrong sides. The spacers are supposed to face the wheel. Like in the picture you can see on the fanatec software shown in the video.
Yes you could flip them and switch them to opposing side. But you will still need to flip the paddles on the brackets to get the all smooth side behind the bracket where you fingers will be making contact while shifting. If that still doesn't bring the paddles close enough, you can use the extra shifter pod mounting holes on the side of the hub casing.
Shannon Phillips
Actually, they are mounted correctly. The software driver just shows the paddles, not the proper orientation. If you go to the Fanantec USA site and look at the pictures of the hub you can see this. It makes sense really, if you think about it. You want the smooth face of the paddle facing away from you, as you will be pulling the paddle toward you when shifting.
Regarding reaching the paddles, I suppose you could also flip them to the other side, which would also give you some more reach - although the paddle wouldn't be flat anymore due to the bracket, but it would be significantly closer
Seeing this hub being a thing for Fanatec makes me want to ditch thrustmaster..
I realize I'm 5 years late, but could you not get the padle shifters an other ~12mm closer by mounting the left one on the right and vice versa? That would put the spacers on the other side, and reverse the L shape of the mounting bracket, if it works.
Yes.
Did Fanatec ever make changes to this product to address the issues. I am thinking of buying one.
you sound like matthew mcconaughey and its really soothing
This is exactly the kind of review I was looking for, thank you so much!. One thing...Is it possible for you to test your wheels (especially in terms of FFB testing) using rFactor 2? RFactor 2's FFB is probably the best in the business, it is extremely dynamic, raw, "alive", and just overall thrilling.
RFactor 2 is probably the best sim we currently have in terms of testing a wheel's FFB to it's max potential.
Ive lost a washer! :) - How important are they?
What's the round wheel? Looks good
Does the electronics on that mono pod work threw the whell soft wear or the PC?? Cause I also race on XB1 and PS4..
Fanatec makes an Xbox version of this hub. No PS4.
Barry i noticed on the fanatec site they show a mobile phone attached to the hub, was this an option or is it an extra thing to buy ?
nice review by the way
You have to buy the mobile phone attachment separate. I looked on the Fanantec USA site and couldn't find one to order.
Sim Racing Garage thanx for the info, now lets hope fanatic can shed some light, as this helped me think this was going to be a great wheel
***** is that december 2015 ? only i have already spoken to someone at Fanatec who informed me that it has yet to be designed.....so curious how you can even give a year without a finished product ?
***** eu.fanatec.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=75&product_id=768 as you can see they are still showing the phone attachment, but i was also told by a fanatec staff member that it would be removed until it's available, but that was over a month ago now....oh and Walter....your english is just fine :)
You could have put the paddle shifters closer to the wheel by putting the washers and paddles mounted in front of the braket insted of behind.
I think he knows. He has more knowledge then you
how did you make the display read wht gear you in
Fanatec have great attention to detail most of the time so why they couldn't put external connections on unit is bizzare
Can I ask a couple of Q's here to see if SRG or anybody else can help me out please.... When removing buttons from the circuit board, what is the best way to go about it? It does not really say anything in the guide about removing them and they seem like they are positioned really soild, iam a little worried about damaging them as this is pretty pricey kit for me. I don't want any buttons on for when I buy a classic wooden rim. Also... Are the any ways of attaching rims that don't have the standard 6 screw holes where one is positioned at the top and the bottom like the rims in this video and all the ones Fanatec sell... Ive seen a few on ebay that iam tempted to buy (mainly classic ones) but the 6 screws are positioned 3 to each side. Is the any way around that? Please don't give no smart ass comments if any of this I obvious stuff :) - Real help much appreciated.
Can i then use it on a SimuCube for example?
Where can i buy these pad de MOMO and the wheell?
I'm sorry if this q is answered in video, I didn't watch all of it. Will there be CSW base review on this channel? p.s. great reviews
We won't be doing a base review, as there are many reviews already out there. Now, when they come out with a new one, then you'll see a review of it here.
Thank You for answer. If there will be another CSW related review on this channel, please consider to include Your thoughts on CSW base and how it compares to other high end wheels. There are reviews out there, but those reviewers don't have a lot high end wheel experience and access to them (ISRTV, SimRacingReview etc).
I the fanatec v2 worth upgrade from t500? I will be using my momo
+Kyle Schraw Only you can make that call. I can say the CSW V2 is more powerful than the T500, so it will be able to handle your MOMO wheel a bit better. If you can afford it, I would go with the Accuforce or OSW kit. You would have all the power and much better quality FFB, with the OSW being the better of the two.
as all way a Awsome review top work #sim Racing Garage :)
Is this hub compatible with the csw v1.1 wheel base?
Whats the first rim used?
Would the Momo R1905 work with this?
+Stankman ye, why not. It has teh standard 70mm pattern and the pods should be fine too.
for the money I'd expect rev leds and better push buttons with some nice colors ... not the dull colors Fanatec seems to like so much ... button colors are supposed to stick out ... otherwise it looks like a nice piece o sim hardware :)
@Sim Racing Garage
Would you recommend this Universal hub to fit with a Momo Mod27c? (www.momousa.com/racing/steering-wheels/mod-27c.html)
That's what i'm looking at getting.
I race mostly Gt-type cars in iracing.
Schönes Video. Es ist jedoch deutlich einfacher erst die Button Boxen an die Platte zu schrauben und dann erst die Stecker in den Hub zu stecken.
Sry bad english...the better way is
first - connect Button Boxes to the plate
second - connect the cables on the Hub
Anyone know the wheel used 23:45?
What is the RJ45 socket on the inside for?
Adam Perkins Data port. Not sure what is used for. Maybe flashing the firmware?
Is iracing your preferred simulator?
Yes it is. I find it best for my needs.
What's the setup you have at the 46:00 minutes? Can you please tell me where I can buy it?
Sorry Mick, but not sure what you are looking at in that section of the video. There are a few things in that shot. Could you be more specific?
Sim Racing Garage Lol sorry I meant the MOMO wheel
That's MOD 30 MOMO. It is also seen dressed in it's Sam Maxwell Customs Carbon Fiber Electronics Pod. You can see more about the wheel in my Review of the Sam Maxwell Custom wheels that I did here: Sam Maxwell Custom Wheels Review MOD30 and MOD27D
waht wheel is it ?
What wheel is that ??
Will this fit a sparco nascar wheel?
The Sparco Nascar Wheel has a proprietary bolt pattern. So it will not fit this hub's industry standard 70mm and 50.8mm bolt patterns. You could drill and tap your own holes, or source an adapter. Another issue would be the reach to the shifter paddles and buttons being very long because of the deep dish on the Nascar style wheels.
Sim Racing Garage Ok thank you
Where did you get that button box?
At 48:03
+Christian “Chatterbox” Antonio Here is the email address for Richard Falkenberg: richard@laynesp.com
He builds the best quality button box I have ever touched.
What Momo wheel is that? What is it called?
MOMO MOD 30
@@simracinggarage3026 Thank you very much.
Fanatec ....YUCK ......NOOOO
Had 1 product from them NEVER again!!!!!
Barry Your reviews are outstanding. I have never seen somebody cover so much detail on so many products, and do it in clear and concise manner.
Your reviews are Invaluable to the sim racing community
Is there a tip jar somewhere so I can support your efforts.
Thanks