Reviewer's Note: The "Drift Mode" Issue has been resolved! Apparently, when I did the first Firmware update, it didn't go through to the proper Firmware, so it was still on an outdated Firmware version. Make sure you are on the proper Firmware, and Drift Mode should work fine! After some testing, I will say that Firmware 0 feels AMAZING, but is prone to oscillations in some titles. I felt most comfortable at Drift Mode at -3, and that prevented the oscillations, but still felt pretty loose, which is a great compromise.
hey man, im thinking about getting the v2.5 after my t500rs pretty much died. but like you said the price is getting into direct drive range, which direct drive wheel is price comparable?
When they are talking about adjusting HRZ it has nothing to do with power, and everything to do with speed and readability for the software. Essentially adding on a bigger zoom lens to a camera, the halifax sensor can see more and therefor can offer better feedback over all.
im still happy with clubsport V2 wheel. very durable and no mechanic problem for over 2 years. Previous Fanatec wheels had many problems but after they change every wheel to Servo motor , it became very durable and no failure problem.
I upgraded from V1 and those two wheels actually are completely different things except the outside look! With drift mode to 0 the V2.5 is really almost as a DD Wheel based on my experience! The greatest thing about V2.5 is that the wheel consistently force to the center depending on the grip you have on your tires and on the same point brings you FFB instantly in the very best smooth way. That brings very realistic filing again based on my real racing cars experience! Fanatec really did brilliant job with very reasonable price and even with the expensive rims is still lot cheaper then Acufoce or OSW solution and yes , they are better but V2.5 really close the gap. Great review mate 🙂
Steliyan Chepilevski I own the V2.5 at the moment and was actually thinking switching to a OSW. But if the differences are very small than I guess an upgrade is not worth it. Do you have experiences comparing both systems? What charateristics are different that you can actually feel?
It is really depends of what do you expect from your wheel results. If you want to have the best from the technology for the moment then the OSW is the best right now if you build it with the best motor and electronics which will be costly of course. If you expect the new wheel to make you faster on the track that will 99% not going to happen if your upgrade is from V2.5 to OSW. I can tell you what I think about your situation as I'm in the same shoes. Fanatec brings the gap so close right now with the latest base that I will keep it for the next 1-2 years and then will move to the DD Wheel solution because that is the future. But if money wasn't problem I was going to build OSW right now even if is slightly better the V2.5 .
Steliyan Chepilevski Thanks a lot, that helps! I AM competitive, so much I can admit, and certainly good equipment and also good configuration of wheel/pedal setup helps in pacing faster. But I do not expect to getting any faster with a DD-system (alreacy leading the boards very often so no need to get faster ;-)) I certainly would and can spend the money for a DD upgrade. But if there is not a certain "wow"-effect as I experienced for example when switching from CSL elite to CSW V2 then I stick to the existing equipment for now. Your statement tells me there is no such "wow" effect anymore from a CSW V2.5 to a OSW.
iv got that wow wen test first time the very best combo of OSW but that wow iv got from the v2.5 too. i decite to wait a bit and yes, im same competetive and 2d place for me is not an option too ...lol
Recently upgraded from a g27 to this forza motorsport bundle, the gearshifter, v2.5 servo and the xbox hub and forza wheel. I received a defective xbox hub that had me frustrated and scratching my head why I couldn't get it working at first. Fanatec was pretty easy to deal with and I got a response once a day so took about 3-4 days to figure out that the xbox hub was defective. They sent me out a new and I hooked it all up and now i'm happy with it. This thing performs WAAAAY better than my G27 (G27 is a great starter/budget wheel i'm not knocking it!) and the load cell braking really helped me with braking. I'm glad I did the switch, I do wish it was a bit cheaper though. I don't understand when you say you don't notice a difference when you go up and down on the drift mode. It's huge difference to me -5 drift i'm cranking that sucker to get it to turn 0 drift is where I preffered it as I don't do any drifting in the sims. Unfortunately I never tried the V2 to compare it to, but i'd give it a solid 8/10 if I had to rate the thing as a whole.
Felixo just upgraded from g920, huge difference. While it is kind of plug and play (if you do everything right) the hardest part for me is tuning it to my liking in game. I've only used it with assetto corsa atm
Isn’t basic mechanics taught in school in the US? Like what torque and moment of inertia means? But you’re right in your theory. First of all, a smaller diameter means a larger force, because the torque is the same as with the larger diameter. Torque is diameter multiplied by force, so when it is constant and diameter changes, the force changes in the opposite direction. When you were talking about ”density” you were talking of moment of inertia. That describes how hard it is to start to rotate an object around a certain axis, and it increases if you move some mass further away or add mass at a diameter.
@@HieronymousLex Haha, but it doesn't require a genius to know general knowledge. Therefore I don't feel like a genius. Are these things taught there or not? Is it so hard to answer?
MigluGamer yes they are taught here. The fact that you think you’re smart for knowing something so basic, and go straight to assuming Americans are stupid, is indicative of the dunning-kruger effect. Or do they not teach that over there?
@@HieronymousLex I just said I don't feel like a genius. I don't think I'm smart for knowing something so basic. Why do you think I'd think that? Also Dunning-Kruger effect is only possible when the person knows little about the subject, and you don't know how much I know. You still think you know, which is more like Dunning-Kruger.
Great video! I own a 2.5 base with a P1 rim, and you where talking about improvement from either wheel in your video over the P1 rim, but can you tell me what exactly did improve? I am thinking about buying a new Fanatec rim, but I would like it when it's not just about the look of it :-) If you catch my drift..
So, one common trend most Clubsport Wheel Rims have (apart from the Universal Hub) is that they have more buttons/features. For example, they all have a Rotary Encoder built into the "D-Pad", which allows for adjustments. They also have a joystick which, theoretically, you could use as a mouse. Out of the "CSW Rims", I just have the Formula Rim. It is a blast, and I like the fact that it actually has the lights that light up in order, and not just one light that just changes colors. Also, worth mentioning - the Quick Release on them is SO much better than the CSL. Hope my two cents help!
Hey Sim Racing Paddock. What is your view of the Fanatec GT wheel? I think it uses the universal hub and I am wondering if it is a good all round wheel?
Okay I am on the fence between buying the BMW replica rim from fanatic and the GT rim with lime green accent the BMW has two vibrating Motors. the GT wheel does not do the two vibrating Motors make that much of a difference to not purchase the GT style Rim which I actually really want. Putting it on a dd1
Just a little bit background information about the physics why it may feel smoother with the Forza wheel - if you are interested in: You are right, the diameter is more or less the reason for the smoother feeling. With the higher diameter you are getting a longer lever arm and since torque is a product of lever arm and force, you can put a higher torque on the wheelbase while using the same amount of force. The reason why it is feeling smoother should be that the steering wheel's force feedback is giving you the same amount of torque while you can resist it by using less power because of the higher lever arm which comes from the higher diameter. Also the second part of your theory should be right: If the weight of the wheel is mostly coming from the center of the wheel, this means that the inertia of the wheel is lower. In that way the wheel feels smoother through the higher diameter but it doesn't start suffering from this and feel heavier while turning it. But thanks for the review, I will check it, if my budget allows me to buy it after I've build my new racing rig...
Do you know that playing forza horizon 4 with csw 2.5 bmw gt2 has no feedback at all? How to adjust? I don't know how to train to have the ability to give back. It was originally.
I am trying to get this for the xbox one. I love the thrustmaster sparco edition wheel but not liking the reviews of the pedals. If i get the v2.5, do i have to get software updates constantly? Or will i be able to play with this right out of the box?
For open wheel, I'd recommend the base with the Formula Rim. The GT rim is just too large to quickly make the minor adjustments required for the open wheel cars
That steering wheel has exectly the same size with a real formula car steering wheel, that's why fanatec makes it that way,.Smaller rim means faster reaction, and they don't have more space in a formula cockpit, but also means larger force required. Maybe we need to stop complaining about the size and have more respect for the real formula drivers. They sit very low, can't really see the apex but we can drive with a top camera, which has much better view, and no matter how good the wheel base is, the force feedback is way strongger, the drive have to handle it by such a small wheel.
You should contact the Fanatec support. There may be an issue with your wheel as you say you dont get the negative drift mode values. On my 2.5 the Drift mode goes from -5 to OFF and then up to +5. If those negative values are missing, there IS something broken because the negative drift mode NEEDS to be there.. Does that happen with both rims? I also have the Formula Carbon and at least with that rim the negative values must be there
I checked with both rims, and they aren't there. Something worth noting is that I actually did NOT dock the score because of that, because I knew for a fact other drivers had the Drift Mode working properly, such as Shaun Cole of the Simpit. I did dock because of the issues I did have accessing the driver utility, and the lack of the LED display working in some titles natively, and the lack of automatic Degrees of Rotation adjusting in some titles (where it was supposed to).
Sim Racing Paddock but still there is something wrong with your wheel and you should contact support so they can have a look. Maybe others also suffer from not getting negative drift mode working correctly so this needs an investigation from support. Also for the lack of native support: Fanatec provides their SDK which needs to be implemented by the game developers. R3E and iRacing for example didnt implemented the newest SDK yet so you wont get the v2.5 leds working there or for R3E the DOR not working correctly. Not a bug on Fanatec side but on the game side ;)
MoMo there was the problem! I was on 260/12. I got the firmware update to work, and now negative drift mode is working! I'm going to make a note of that in my next test drive video. Thank you for your help!
Can you buy the Clubsport 2.5 on its own for Xbox? Im going to be using it for Xbox and pc, but for right now Xbox. I need a good wheel for a decent price and this is great.
One of the worst reviews I've ever seen. They literally tell you in the beginning it's got a newer motor. Also you need a compatible rim with the display to change the drift mode. You cant change the drift mode with that forza wheel.
Ok thank you very much for the info you have been very helpful since i am a novice to these wheels attachment.I would like to buy a wheel because my g27 broke that i had for some time. I follow a lot of your reviews and find them to be helpful. Being from the Caribbean i want to keep my prices down cause your Currency is two to one, i would pay double. The Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Edition which i wanted to up grade to has a lot of negative things about it,especially the life span but when it works you definitely have a good wheel.What wheel would you recommend for me?
gti2756 well, I recently moved to a new place, so I am in the process of moving my "studio" to the garage. I need to make some renovations, namely some painting and things like that. A family friend is going to let me move my setup temporarily to his business (where I shot some videos, such as my CSL Elite review) while I do my renovations. #TemporaryStudio
The DRL setting controls the new damper vs drift assist. Fanatec changed how DRL works so that positive values have dampening and negative values have drift assist, use zero for no dampening.
Smoothness doesnt really come from the belt itself if that was the case then thrustmaster would be the smoothest because of there industrial belts that are the actual thickness of a real car belt lol yet the fnaatec is smoother and stronger but they are German made belts very food
@@manerisports7937 after now owning the csw v2.5 the csw v2.5 is the one its purely and simply the best belt driven wheel and once you get the settigns dialed in the feel and the feel of grip is just amazing thats mabye my favorite part is when turning yku truely feel the weight of the car and the grip and can hug the corners it feels liek even better somehow but yeah this is the one to go with
@@manerisports7937 well if you even have that thought then to you it probabaly wasnt but you could probabaly still return it and get the csw v2.5 right?? Even the pedal set is better which makes a big difference you can get the standard package for 799.99 right now the competition package it obviously costs more then the ts oc racer but it is better the free flwoing feel where all you feel is ffb and thats it is really really nice but research about how the csw v2.5 works frist people get it and dont know how to do the settings the first thing is mess with drift mode negative 5 will be alot if dampening -3 is just a little and 0 is no friction or resistance at all I like it at around -3 a little tighter that way and also the fei setting rememebr there all on the wheel itself its so much easier then I thiught it would be takes 2 seconds but yesh the gei allows for smoother or sharper ffb I like it smoother so I put that at 50 the lower it is the smoother it is without less unwantted fdb effects 100 is amazing and sharp but sometimes you feel almost to much of everything
@@reviewforthetube6485 i could just sell the ts-pc for 340 and than buy the used clubsport v2.5 a used one i cant buy the Pedals that would be to expensiv for i have to stay with my metal tm Pedals
See people always out in your looking at the price of a dd wheel yeah with the whoel damn setup your talking about just the base of a dd wheel that's not even close I've checked it's still double the price for a dd setup so it's not close again a 500 dollar base compared to bases over 1000 dollars add wheels and pedals to either it still comes out to around double the price it's not meant to eb a completely different wheel lol and you say could they of done more eyt was the best belt whelenyou have tested and said blindfolded you would almost mistake it as a dd wheel so how did they hold back buddy some of the things you say totally sound weird and the set is an upgrade but ti was meant to fix some issues and as they did besutiful its a great set no if you have the v2 dont upgrade but the v2.5 is amazing and people looking into a high end belt driven wheel get it def but you also stated at the end it's your highest rated wheel so how could they have done more why would they match there dd wheel that would take the dd wheel market away but I do think that belt driven wheels can get close like this one its impossibel for the feel to be the same because of the direct contact so no again they coukent of done more lol they did great and made the best belt driven wheel and even if they could of done more right just say what if then you have to get charged more so we pay more for it why would they do that another thing the f2 wheels always for more rough round wheels always feel smother now on a positive note I love your videos and your a good guy and I support your channel it's just some things you say arent logical and contradict what your actions and explanations are showing and telling us
I have to say, this thing was so complicated to get going on my 2,300 dollar computer that I had to pay a computer guy a hundred bucks to come help me. I called Fanatec and the guy couldn't help me get this going. I was highly irritated, now I've spent about 1,200 on the system, and bought a wheelstand. I haven't even used it since, because it's just been a sore spot with me. Maybe this weekend I'll try some stuff on it. I honestly feel like you really have to know computer stuff to use this thing. I couldn't believe how difficult the whole sim racing stuff has been for me. I think it's just with the Fanatec stuff though. I don't know. It's the first time I've ever used anything like it.
I really appriciate it bro. If I can't still get stuff going I'll reach out to you. I was just so looking forward to all of it when I first ordered everything. Then the wheelstand wasn't set up to accept the wheel base, even after I asked the lady that is the owner of the wheelstand pro business to please go online and look at what I was getting. She said she did and oh yeah no problem yes everything will work great. I got it all and spent a bunch of time drilling and having to make my wheelstand work. Honestly it still isn't exactly perfect. But It's in place and it's not going anywhere. Yeah man this has not been a fun nor easty experience so far. Plus I feel I should've just got the AF for the same price basically. UGH!!!
What exactly isn't working on it? I recently bought the 2.5 forza motorsport bundle and i'm not really great with computers/technology.. but I couldn't get mine working. Send an email to fanatec of what was happening and they determined the xbox unversal hub they sent me was defective. They sent me out a replacement and sure enough it worked just fine. It really was just plug in and download the beta drivers as far as setting it up... although having a defective part had me scratching my head and pulling my hair out.
it doesn't show up as xbox hub, it shows up as something else, even the computer guy thought it was really difficult to set up. I really don't think anything this expensive should every be hard to set up. I mean it should be as easy as a playstation or xbox in my opinion to set up. I wasn't looking for a pain in the ass kinda thing. I was just looking to having some fun and driving. It really is that much of a pain in the ass to set up. I was really annoyed.
frank mathis normally the Fanatec wheels are not intended to be Plug&Play. But it is also not that difficult to set everything up. First you need to connect and power an all the fanatec gear you have to your pc. Then you need to set the wheel into pc mode and install the latest beta driver 281. After that you need to update the firmware to version 260 and then update the motor firmware to 018 so in your display of the rim should be 260/018 shown after power on the wheel. Is that the case on your one? After driver installation everything should work fine and you need to fine tune the FFB in all the games. Again, no plug&play here, this needs some skills to get the FFB right.
Reviewer's Note: The "Drift Mode" Issue has been resolved! Apparently, when I did the first Firmware update, it didn't go through to the proper Firmware, so it was still on an outdated Firmware version. Make sure you are on the proper Firmware, and Drift Mode should work fine!
After some testing, I will say that Firmware 0 feels AMAZING, but is prone to oscillations in some titles. I felt most comfortable at Drift Mode at -3, and that prevented the oscillations, but still felt pretty loose, which is a great compromise.
hey man, im thinking about getting the v2.5 after my t500rs pretty much died. but like you said the price is getting into direct drive range, which direct drive wheel is price comparable?
none......not if you include rim. price of DD you can get fanatec 2.5 v3 pedals and any choice of rim you want.
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When they are talking about adjusting HRZ it has nothing to do with power, and everything to do with speed and readability for the software. Essentially adding on a bigger zoom lens to a camera, the halifax sensor can see more and therefor can offer better feedback over all.
@@jasonpressler7111 nice to know I thought it was just for like software downloads and atuff but hey it makes since the speed part
this video made me buy the fanatec V2.5 and i forever thank you.... you will be missed
Rip. I don’t even know you this is the first video i see with you in it because i got the clubstport 2.5. And here i am sad...
im still happy with clubsport V2 wheel. very durable and no mechanic problem for over 2 years. Previous Fanatec wheels had many problems but after they change every wheel to Servo motor , it became very durable and no failure problem.
dude, f1 rims irl isnt any bigger... because u have to do FAST steering inputs.
I upgraded from V1 and those two wheels actually are completely different things except the outside look! With drift mode to 0 the V2.5 is really almost as a DD Wheel based on my experience! The greatest thing about V2.5 is that the wheel consistently force to the center depending on the grip you have on your tires and on the same point brings you FFB instantly in the very best smooth way. That brings very realistic filing again based on my real racing cars experience! Fanatec really did brilliant job with very reasonable price and even with the expensive rims is still lot cheaper then Acufoce or OSW solution and yes , they are better but V2.5 really close the gap. Great review mate 🙂
Steliyan Chepilevski I own the V2.5 at the moment and was actually thinking switching to a OSW. But if the differences are very small than I guess an upgrade is not worth it. Do you have experiences comparing both systems? What charateristics are different that you can actually feel?
It is really depends of what do you expect from your wheel results. If you want to have the best from the technology for the moment then the OSW is the best right now if you build it with the best motor and electronics which will be costly of course. If you expect the new wheel to make you faster on the track that will 99% not going to happen if your upgrade is from V2.5 to OSW. I can tell you what I think about your situation as I'm in the same shoes. Fanatec brings the gap so close right now with the latest base that I will keep it for the next 1-2 years and then will move to the DD Wheel solution because that is the future. But if money wasn't problem I was going to build OSW right now even if is slightly better the V2.5 .
Steliyan Chepilevski Thanks a lot, that helps! I AM competitive, so much I can admit, and certainly good equipment and also good configuration of wheel/pedal setup helps in pacing faster. But I do not expect to getting any faster with a DD-system (alreacy leading the boards very often so no need to get faster ;-)) I certainly would and can spend the money for a DD upgrade. But if there is not a certain "wow"-effect as I experienced for example when switching from CSL elite to CSW V2 then I stick to the existing equipment for now. Your statement tells me there is no such "wow" effect anymore from a CSW V2.5 to a OSW.
iv got that wow wen test first time the very best combo of OSW but that wow iv got from the v2.5 too. i decite to wait a bit and yes, im same competetive and 2d place for me is not an option too ...lol
Good review, still find it a bit ironic a German company calling a product V2 LOL!!!!
Recently upgraded from a g27 to this forza motorsport bundle, the gearshifter, v2.5 servo and the xbox hub and forza wheel. I received a defective xbox hub that had me frustrated and scratching my head why I couldn't get it working at first. Fanatec was pretty easy to deal with and I got a response once a day so took about 3-4 days to figure out that the xbox hub was defective. They sent me out a new and I hooked it all up and now i'm happy with it. This thing performs WAAAAY better than my G27 (G27 is a great starter/budget wheel i'm not knocking it!) and the load cell braking really helped me with braking. I'm glad I did the switch, I do wish it was a bit cheaper though. I don't understand when you say you don't notice a difference when you go up and down on the drift mode. It's huge difference to me -5 drift i'm cranking that sucker to get it to turn 0 drift is where I preffered it as I don't do any drifting in the sims. Unfortunately I never tried the V2 to compare it to, but i'd give it a solid 8/10 if I had to rate the thing as a whole.
Using a G27 right now, but thinking of this one. Was it hard to setup or kinda plug and play? Just wanna install the drivers etc and play.
Felixo just upgraded from g920, huge difference. While it is kind of plug and play (if you do everything right) the hardest part for me is tuning it to my liking in game. I've only used it with assetto corsa atm
Damn! Will save up for this one day :)
Renegade And have you bit the bullet? :)
How would you compare this to the thrustmaster tw pc. I’m tore between the two and I currently run the t 300
Good job on the review! Enjoyed your honest views :)
Please work on your script reading. This is painful to watch
watch at 1.25 speed
He is clueless. He can never give a honest review he always sits on the fence
It’s creepy when his eyes go wide when staring at the camera
WTF is wrong with you fruitcakes? Complaining about menial things like a bathroom full of skirts. Don't like? FOH
Isn’t basic mechanics taught in school in the US? Like what torque and moment of inertia means? But you’re right in your theory. First of all, a smaller diameter means a larger force, because the torque is the same as with the larger diameter. Torque is diameter multiplied by force, so when it is constant and diameter changes, the force changes in the opposite direction.
When you were talking about ”density” you were talking of moment of inertia. That describes how hard it is to start to rotate an object around a certain axis, and it increases if you move some mass further away or add mass at a diameter.
@@HieronymousLex Haha, but it doesn't require a genius to know general knowledge. Therefore I don't feel like a genius. Are these things taught there or not? Is it so hard to answer?
MigluGamer yes they are taught here. The fact that you think you’re smart for knowing something so basic, and go straight to assuming Americans are stupid, is indicative of the dunning-kruger effect. Or do they not teach that over there?
@@HieronymousLex I just said I don't feel like a genius. I don't think I'm smart for knowing something so basic. Why do you think I'd think that? Also Dunning-Kruger effect is only possible when the person knows little about the subject, and you don't know how much I know. You still think you know, which is more like Dunning-Kruger.
Great video! I own a 2.5 base with a P1 rim, and you where talking about improvement from either wheel in your video over the P1 rim, but can you tell me what exactly did improve? I am thinking about buying a new Fanatec rim, but I would like it when it's not just about the look of it :-) If you catch my drift..
So, one common trend most Clubsport Wheel Rims have (apart from the Universal Hub) is that they have more buttons/features. For example, they all have a Rotary Encoder built into the "D-Pad", which allows for adjustments. They also have a joystick which, theoretically, you could use as a mouse.
Out of the "CSW Rims", I just have the Formula Rim. It is a blast, and I like the fact that it actually has the lights that light up in order, and not just one light that just changes colors.
Also, worth mentioning - the Quick Release on them is SO much better than the CSL.
Hope my two cents help!
I wondering why in reviews there not a word about high frequency whistling what v2.5 base have? Or it's just I'm unlucky to have it...
Hey Sim Racing Paddock. What is your view of the Fanatec GT wheel? I think it uses the universal hub and I am wondering if it is a good all round wheel?
Okay I am on the fence between buying the BMW replica rim from fanatic and the GT rim with lime green accent the BMW has two vibrating Motors. the GT wheel does not do the two vibrating Motors make that much of a difference to not purchase the GT style Rim which I actually really want. Putting it on a dd1
Just a little bit background information about the physics why it may feel smoother with the Forza wheel - if you are interested in:
You are right, the diameter is more or less the reason for the smoother feeling. With the higher diameter you are getting a longer lever arm and since torque is a product of lever arm and force, you can put a higher torque on the wheelbase while using the same amount of force. The reason why it is feeling smoother should be that the steering wheel's force feedback is giving you the same amount of torque while you can resist it by using less power because of the higher lever arm which comes from the higher diameter.
Also the second part of your theory should be right: If the weight of the wheel is mostly coming from the center of the wheel, this means that the inertia of the wheel is lower. In that way the wheel feels smoother through the higher diameter but it doesn't start suffering from this and feel heavier while turning it.
But thanks for the review, I will check it, if my budget allows me to buy it after I've build my new racing rig...
I was about to comment the same thing lol
I have a T300 do you think its a good udpate in 2018 or DD WHEEL ?
Do you know that playing forza horizon 4 with csw 2.5 bmw gt2 has no feedback at all? How to adjust? I don't know how to train to have the ability to give back. It was originally.
I am trying to get this for the xbox one. I love the thrustmaster sparco edition wheel but not liking the reviews of the pedals. If i get the v2.5, do i have to get software updates constantly? Or will i be able to play with this right out of the box?
So I have a Logitech G 25 - you would definetly recommend to get a V2.5? - racing openwheelers would you suggest F1 rim or the GT rim?
For open wheel, I'd recommend the base with the Formula Rim. The GT rim is just too large to quickly make the minor adjustments required for the open wheel cars
That steering wheel has exectly the same size with a real formula car steering wheel, that's why fanatec makes it that way,.Smaller rim means faster reaction, and they don't have more space in a formula cockpit, but also means larger force required. Maybe we need to stop complaining about the size and have more respect for the real formula drivers. They sit very low, can't really see the apex but we can drive with a top camera, which has much better view, and no matter how good the wheel base is, the force feedback is way strongger, the drive have to handle it by such a small wheel.
You should contact the Fanatec support.
There may be an issue with your wheel as you say you dont get the negative drift mode values.
On my 2.5 the Drift mode goes from -5 to OFF and then up to +5.
If those negative values are missing, there IS something broken because the negative drift mode NEEDS to be there..
Does that happen with both rims? I also have the Formula Carbon and at least with that rim the negative values must be there
I checked with both rims, and they aren't there.
Something worth noting is that I actually did NOT dock the score because of that, because I knew for a fact other drivers had the Drift Mode working properly, such as Shaun Cole of the Simpit. I did dock because of the issues I did have accessing the driver utility, and the lack of the LED display working in some titles natively, and the lack of automatic Degrees of Rotation adjusting in some titles (where it was supposed to).
Sim Racing Paddock but still there is something wrong with your wheel and you should contact support so they can have a look. Maybe others also suffer from not getting negative drift mode working correctly so this needs an investigation from support.
Also for the lack of native support: Fanatec provides their SDK which needs to be implemented by the game developers. R3E and iRacing for example didnt implemented the newest SDK yet so you wont get the v2.5 leds working there or for R3E the DOR not working correctly. Not a bug on Fanatec side but on the game side ;)
Sim Racing Paddock regarding the negative drift mode not available: what is the led display showing after starting the base? Should be 260/018
Sim Racing Paddock ???
MoMo there was the problem! I was on 260/12. I got the firmware update to work, and now negative drift mode is working!
I'm going to make a note of that in my next test drive video. Thank you for your help!
How much of an upgrade would the clubsport V2 be compared to the ts150 on a scale of 1 to 100%
How is it compared to CSL Elite? Any owners here?
Wow Landshut, that about 100km from my home.
i didnt knew that.
Can you buy the Clubsport 2.5 on its own for Xbox? Im going to be using it for Xbox and pc, but for right now Xbox. I need a good wheel for a decent price and this is great.
Yeah on the fanatec website 👌
A 1000 Hz is maybe "extreme" future proofing, AMS runs their FFB at 360 Hz and AC runs at 333 Hz.
I love the xbox hub and Forza wheel. It's one nicely built piece of hardware. Would be right at home in a real racecar
I love the way you speak man. You say what has to be said. Keep up the good work. All the best for your channel.
nice just to send fanatec an email asking them for a Base and 2 months magically it appears on your doorstep
One of the worst reviews I've ever seen. They literally tell you in the beginning it's got a newer motor. Also you need a compatible rim with the display to change the drift mode. You cant change the drift mode with that forza wheel.
Hello can the Fanatec CSL Elite Steering Wheel P1and this wheel base work with Gran Turismo Sport - PlayStation 4?
+TEE TEE yes it can. Any rim can work with the PS4. Only the Xbox One is limited in rim compatibility
Ok thank you very much for the info you have been very helpful since i am a novice to these wheels attachment.I would like to buy a wheel because my g27 broke that i had for some time. I follow a lot of your reviews and find them to be helpful. Being from the Caribbean i want to keep my prices down cause your Currency is two to one, i would pay double. The Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Edition which i wanted to up grade to has a lot of negative things about it,especially the life span but when it works you definitely have a good wheel.What wheel would you recommend for me?
Good video man but what's with the dungeon you're filming in? Creepy....
gti2756 well, I recently moved to a new place, so I am in the process of moving my "studio" to the garage. I need to make some renovations, namely some painting and things like that.
A family friend is going to let me move my setup temporarily to his business (where I shot some videos, such as my CSL Elite review) while I do my renovations.
#TemporaryStudio
Is it Worth the upgrade from t300 with f1 rim?
The DRL setting controls the new damper vs drift assist. Fanatec changed how DRL works so that positive values have dampening and negative values have drift assist, use zero for no dampening.
floodo1 what?! Nope.. Negative DRI (Drift) values are actually dampened, OFF is OFF and positive values are actually drift assist..
MoMo good call, I got positive/negative backwards. Still DRL is the setting (-8
floodo1 it is called DRI (dri). ;)
Pretty happy with my V2 but nice review anyway :)
What track is that at 7:00 ? could you share a link please ?
2ndLastJedi Thanks!
The track is Sonoma Raceway, my home track! I'm actually going there next month to see the NASCAR race :)
Fantastic review, thanks
Smoothness doesnt really come from the belt itself if that was the case then thrustmaster would be the smoothest because of there industrial belts that are the actual thickness of a real car belt lol yet the fnaatec is smoother and stronger but they are German made belts very food
so what would you say which base is better the ts-pc or clubsport v2.5
@@manerisports7937 after now owning the csw v2.5 the csw v2.5 is the one its purely and simply the best belt driven wheel and once you get the settigns dialed in the feel and the feel of grip is just amazing thats mabye my favorite part is when turning yku truely feel the weight of the car and the grip and can hug the corners it feels liek even better somehow but yeah this is the one to go with
@@reviewforthetube6485 i now have the ts-pc i dont know if it is worth
@@manerisports7937 well if you even have that thought then to you it probabaly wasnt but you could probabaly still return it and get the csw v2.5 right?? Even the pedal set is better which makes a big difference you can get the standard package for 799.99 right now the competition package it obviously costs more then the ts oc racer but it is better the free flwoing feel where all you feel is ffb and thats it is really really nice but research about how the csw v2.5 works frist people get it and dont know how to do the settings the first thing is mess with drift mode negative 5 will be alot if dampening -3 is just a little and 0 is no friction or resistance at all I like it at around -3 a little tighter that way and also the fei setting rememebr there all on the wheel itself its so much easier then I thiught it would be takes 2 seconds but yesh the gei allows for smoother or sharper ffb I like it smoother so I put that at 50 the lower it is the smoother it is without less unwantted fdb effects 100 is amazing and sharp but sometimes you feel almost to much of everything
@@reviewforthetube6485 i could just sell the ts-pc for 340 and than buy the used clubsport v2.5 a used one i cant buy the Pedals that would be to expensiv for i have to stay with my metal tm Pedals
Does that f1 style wheel work with the xbox one?
looking at getting a 2.5 is it a worth upgrade from a g29? never used anything else force feedback wise
Yes, very big upgrade!
send me one pal ty
See people always out in your looking at the price of a dd wheel yeah with the whoel damn setup your talking about just the base of a dd wheel that's not even close I've checked it's still double the price for a dd setup so it's not close again a 500 dollar base compared to bases over 1000 dollars add wheels and pedals to either it still comes out to around double the price it's not meant to eb a completely different wheel lol and you say could they of done more eyt was the best belt whelenyou have tested and said blindfolded you would almost mistake it as a dd wheel so how did they hold back buddy some of the things you say totally sound weird and the set is an upgrade but ti was meant to fix some issues and as they did besutiful its a great set no if you have the v2 dont upgrade but the v2.5 is amazing and people looking into a high end belt driven wheel get it def but you also stated at the end it's your highest rated wheel so how could they have done more why would they match there dd wheel that would take the dd wheel market away but I do think that belt driven wheels can get close like this one its impossibel for the feel to be the same because of the direct contact so no again they coukent of done more lol they did great and made the best belt driven wheel and even if they could of done more right just say what if then you have to get charged more so we pay more for it why would they do that another thing the f2 wheels always for more rough round wheels always feel smother now on a positive note I love your videos and your a good guy and I support your channel it's just some things you say arent logical and contradict what your actions and explanations are showing and telling us
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I have to say, this thing was so complicated to get going on my 2,300 dollar computer that I had to pay a computer guy a hundred bucks to come help me. I called Fanatec and the guy couldn't help me get this going. I was highly irritated, now I've spent about 1,200 on the system, and bought a wheelstand. I haven't even used it since, because it's just been a sore spot with me. Maybe this weekend I'll try some stuff on it. I honestly feel like you really have to know computer stuff to use this thing. I couldn't believe how difficult the whole sim racing stuff has been for me. I think it's just with the Fanatec stuff though. I don't know. It's the first time I've ever used anything like it.
Sorry to hear that you're going through some issues! If you want, you can email me and I can see if I can help you out!
william@simracingpaddock.com
I really appriciate it bro. If I can't still get stuff going I'll reach out to you. I was just so looking forward to all of it when I first ordered everything. Then the wheelstand wasn't set up to accept the wheel base, even after I asked the lady that is the owner of the wheelstand pro business to please go online and look at what I was getting. She said she did and oh yeah no problem yes everything will work great. I got it all and spent a bunch of time drilling and having to make my wheelstand work. Honestly it still isn't exactly perfect. But It's in place and it's not going anywhere. Yeah man this has not been a fun nor easty experience so far. Plus I feel I should've just got the AF for the same price basically. UGH!!!
What exactly isn't working on it? I recently bought the 2.5 forza motorsport bundle and i'm not really great with computers/technology.. but I couldn't get mine working. Send an email to fanatec of what was happening and they determined the xbox unversal hub they sent me was defective. They sent me out a replacement and sure enough it worked just fine. It really was just plug in and download the beta drivers as far as setting it up... although having a defective part had me scratching my head and pulling my hair out.
it doesn't show up as xbox hub, it shows up as something else, even the computer guy thought it was really difficult to set up. I really don't think anything this expensive should every be hard to set up. I mean it should be as easy as a playstation or xbox in my opinion to set up. I wasn't looking for a pain in the ass kinda thing. I was just looking to having some fun and driving. It really is that much of a pain in the ass to set up. I was really annoyed.
frank mathis normally the Fanatec wheels are not intended to be Plug&Play. But it is also not that difficult to set everything up. First you need to connect and power an all the fanatec gear you have to your pc. Then you need to set the wheel into pc mode and install the latest beta driver 281. After that you need to update the firmware to version 260 and then update the motor firmware to 018 so in your display of the rim should be 260/018 shown after power on the wheel. Is that the case on your one?
After driver installation everything should work fine and you need to fine tune the FFB in all the games. Again, no plug&play here, this needs some skills to get the FFB right.